Five men arrested by the FBI in Ypsilanti for plotting to abduct and assassinate Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer

Last night, there were FBI raids in Wexford County and Hartland, leading to several arrests. At roughly the same time, another five men were taken into custody in Ypsilanti by agents of the FBI. [While they were arrested here, it doesn’t look as though any of the men lived in Ypsilanti.] According to court documents, there seems to be credible evidence that the men, identified as anti-government extremists, were involved in a plot to kidnap and assassinate political figures, including Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. [The men had recently surveilled Whitmer’s summer home, and were apparently in the process of securing explosives, when the FBI moved in and arrested them.] The men who were arrested today in Ypsilanti were; Adam Fox, Barry Croft, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, and Brandon Caserta. All, as I understand it, are members of a militia group (terrorist organization) that calls itself the Wolverine Watchmen. [A total of 13 people were charged in relation to the plot today.] Their objective, it would seem, was to instigate a civil war prior to the election. As of right now, I do not believe that the President of the United States has condemned the alleged actions, or, for that matter, reached out to Whitmer to offer his support.

There’s much more I’d like to say, but, it’ll have to wait for later. Here, in the meantime, is an excerpt from the New York Times that notes the fact that five men mentioned above were arrested here in Ypsilanti. [I still haven’t been able to ascertain why they were here, whether they just happened to get off the highway here, or if perhaps they had come here looking to procure the explosives they needed for their attack against Whitmer.]

And here’s Whitmer earlier today, addressing the press, and noting Donald Trump’s role in instigating these kinds of anti-government activities. It should be noted that these men used the armed protest in Lansing this past April, which was supported and promoted by Donald Trump, to — in the words of Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel — “engage membership and to recruit new members.”

Oh, and here’s an excerpt from the court filing against the men who have been charged. I thought I’d include it so as to cut short any discussion about how this might not have been a credible plot. As you can read here, after several meetings in secret, the men in question traveled to the Governor’s summer home to plot the specifics of their attack. I’d encourage you to read the entire thing.

One last thing… Let’s not forget this tweet from April, when Donald Trump, egging on his armed supporters in Lansing, urged them to “liberate” the state of Michigan from Whitmer. [Many of the men charged today, at been at the armed protest in Lansing.] And this, of course, is the same Donald Trump who just a few days ago, directed the white supremacists of America to “stand by”. This context, I think, is important.

update: Not surprisingly, the response of the Trump White House was to demonize the democratically elected governor of Michigan targeted for assassination, blaming her for “sowing division” by pointing out his clear role in encouraging the actions of home-grown domestic terrorists like these.

update: Donald Trump himself just tweeted at Governor Whitmer, essentially blaming her for the fact that these men wanted to kidnap and kill her, saying that she’s done a “terrible job” here in Michigan. He then went on to complain that she hasn’t thanked him for the work of his Justice Department in breaking up the plot. It’s really un-fucking-believable.

update: Fox News is reporting that the men were in Ypsilanti to purchase explosives.

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354 Comments

  1. Demetrius
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    It is perhaps a small comfort, given the magnitude of this event, but I was oddly relieved to see these comments from Michigan’s Republican leaders:

    “A threat against our Governor is a threat against us all. We condemn those who plotted against her and our government. They are not patriots,” tweeted Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, R-Clarklake. “There is no honor in their actions. They are criminals and traitors, and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

    House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, tweeted, “Violence has no place in politics. Ever. It’s never a solution to disagreements. The people who targeted @GovWhitmer and police officers are un-American. Justice should be swift and severe. It’s time to send a message that violence will not be tolerated.”

    If nothing else, I hope this (averted) crisis might possibly serve as a wake up for our political leaders – highlighting the stark (real-world) consequences of hateful rhetoric, and the desperate need for more civility and maturity in our public discourse.

  2. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Looks and sounds like antifa: Brandon Caserta

    https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314290638729490433

  3. Demetrius
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    @HW

    Is THAT your takeaway from all this … looking for clues in videos to determine whether he was one of “our” guys, or one of “your” guys?

    This man was (allegedly) part of a plot to provoke a civil war by kidnapping, and likely killing, our democratically elected Governor – who is also, by the way, a wife and the mother to two school-aged children.

    Is there literally nothing – even this – that we can all agree to condemn?

  4. Posted October 8, 2020 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    I was happy to see the Republicans condemning this too! Somehow I doubt these guys are antifa but even so, so what? There are extremists on both sides and in a weird twist, they often sound exactly the same. Both groups sure get enmeshed in conspiracy theories for sure.

    I do like to think that EVERYONE is not cool with kidnapping and then murdering an elected official. So HW, just say it and then we can move on. Just say that you agree that it is not OK for folks to kidnap and murder our governor. Easy peasy!

  5. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Why should I have to condemn something that I have nothing to do with? Why don’t you condemn your own John Brown for trying to incite others to shoot people because he thinks they are fascists? Or ‘string up’ elected officials? Why don’t you condemn antifa and blm for murder and mayhem?

  6. Jim Monsoon
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    I came here to check if HW or EOS were one of them.

  7. Anonymous
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    We don’t know EOS’s real name yet. HW is John Barr, Jr. He was not listed among those arrested.

  8. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    You are the guy who beat the old man in the nursing home.

  9. Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, HW, you’re a real Sherlock Holmes. I’m sure these guys were mad at Whitmer because she wasn’t socialist enough for them.

    You’re quite a profiler.

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure it’s a bunch of bullshit just like everything you believe.

  11. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    You think anarchy is left wing, right? It doesn’t take a detective to notice the GIANT FUCKING ANARCHY SIGN above the guy’s head. The same guy preaching a more verbose version of All Cops Are Bastards in videos all the time? Not that fuckin’ hard to see, derp.

  12. Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    The guys that were arrested for this plot were at the rallies at the state capital that you, FF, and EOS endorsed.

  13. Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    You’re a brilliant profiler, HW. Just like you’re a brilliant doctor and a brilliant substitute teacher.

  14. Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    These guys remind me of you in their thinking. They are too dumb to realize that kidnapping and killing the governor, and killing some police would not start any civil war. They’re too dumb to understand that. It’s so like you.

  15. Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    They were thinking they were liberating Michigan.

  16. Anonymous
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    We ridicule Mark for providing a space for people like John (HW) to spout their ridiculous theories, but maybe it keeps them off the streets.

  17. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    I suspected them of being plants back then. It’s obvious. You have a real problem with antifa/blm. This boogaloo boi shit is yours too. It is designed to malign the vast majority of regular people on the right. The stench is too strong.

    It doesn’t even make sense. You say Trump is an authoritarian but you claim these anti-government goons are with Trump. Find me a Trump supporter in this whole world who preaches ACAB. Dude said if you participate in the system at all you are condoning slavery. He can’t be a Trump supporter and he resembles antifa strongly.

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    All you derpy dorks who say I am Johnny Barr keep cracking me up for real. It’s good to laugh so keep it up if you want. I would be careful I guess if I were you. I wouldn’t want Mr. City Attorney’s son after me for libel or something but it’s no skin off my back.

  19. Posted October 8, 2020 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the advice, HW. Your expertise is always of great value. Nobody is afraid of the Ypsilanti City Attorney. Actually, he might want to distance himself from his whacky son.

    Has anyone here read John Barr, Jr.’s book?

    I wouldn’t want to give him money for it, but it would be fun to read through, just to see what reviewers are talking about. It sounds like some really stunted shit.

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    You can’t find one Trump supporter who says all police officers are the enemy. It is antifa’s constant childish refrain (“naaa naa na naaa naaa”).

  21. Posted October 8, 2020 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Who here has read “Confessions of a Substitute Teacher,” John Barr Jr.’s literary masterpiece?

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t say you should be afraid of the elder Mr. Barr. Learn to read. It will help you. Watching you insist I am Johnny Barr with no rationale given is insightful though. It’s like everything all you derps say. It’s totally wrong.

    It’s a model for how you get everything else wrong. Some derp says something bad about someone or claims to expose them with no evidence and you swallow it and make it part of you. You did it with Russian collusion and really went insane with hatred towards me and others for years for telling the truth about it.

    Now declas is here proving the opposite of what you said and you are fucked but you don’t know it because your trusty derpstablishment sources won’t talk about anything real.

  23. Posted October 8, 2020 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    I just think it’s interesting to explore this John Barr, Jr . assertion. I’d like to get a copy of “Confessions of a Substitute Teacher” and share any interesting parallels I might find in it. It’s fun to approach it like an investigation. I’d assume you would like the attention too. You’re like Trump in that way too, aren’t you?

  24. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    You want to do that but you don’t have time to back up anything you have said.

  25. Posted October 8, 2020 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know if I have time to do a John Barr, Jr. investigation justice. I was hoping I might get someone else to join me and do some of the work.

  26. Posted October 8, 2020 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Who knows? It might help sell copies of “Confessions of a Substitute Teacher.” That would be a good thing, no?

  27. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    It would be a good thing if you get a light sentence for beating that poor old man, no?

    Look how easy it is to destroy everything you say. I just push some buttons and boom! You are fucked.

    https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314326553506000897

  28. Posted October 9, 2020 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    You’re funny, HW. You’re demonstrating how you focus on one guy’s comments on one topic, and suggest that applies to the entire group. You are fucked.

  29. wobblie
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    This Brandon guy is just as confused and screwed up as HW and FF. They think Biden is a socialist, and rightwing terrorist are anarchist. They clearly are disconnected from the reality that the rest of us live with.

    https://www.dailydot.com/debug/brandon-caserta-facebook-michigan-governor-kidnap/?fbclid=IwbhcOLZohuCAR3mB1pqMWCcxzC2QyRRYqbb0L4xdUd9qYmvDfNcbgZcUkKfU

    They live in a fantasy world where another 1000 of our fellow citizens dying from the Trumpvirus is just not very important. Little ol Oshkosh is now at nearly 4000 confirmed cases and 38 dead. That is 37 bodies directly attributable to the death cult/murder suicide gang.

    FF I particularly like the guys attitude about your buddy Rittenhouse

  30. wobblie
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    Another one of there fantasies falling apart

    Scoop: Barr tells Republicans Durham report won’t be ready by election

    Source: Axios

    Attorney General Bill Barr has begun telling top Republicans that the Justice Department’s sweeping review into the origins of the Russia investigation will not be released before the election, a senior White House official and a congressional aide briefed on the conversations tell Axios.

    Why it matters: Republicans had long hoped the report, led by U.S. Attorney John Durham, would be a bombshell containing revelations about what they allege were serious abuses by the Obama administration and intelligence community probing for connections between President Trump and Russia.

    “This is the nightmare scenario. Essentially, the year and a half of arguably the number one issue for the Republican base is virtually meaningless if this doesn’t happen before the election,” a GOP congressional aide told Axios.

    Barr has made clear that they should not expect any further indictments or a comprehensive report before Nov. 3, our sources say.

  31. wobblie
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    The pandemic is “out of control in Wisconsin.” Those are the words used by Governor Tony Evers on Wednesday, Oct. 7. Because of this, the governor has activated a field hospital at the state fairgrounds in West Allis — as a surge in COVID-19 cases threatens to overwhelm hospitals.

    How is that hoax virus working out HW? How is “liberating” Wisconsin working out FF? EOS have you decided it is ok to eat dead babies to save the President?

  32. Posted October 9, 2020 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    Look how easy it is to destroy everything you say, HW? Wobblie just pushed some buttons and boom! You are fucked.

  33. Sad
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    HW do you have some of that fancy facial hair like your compatriots?

    Maybe they are mad at a Whitmer because they haven’t been able to go to the barber.

  34. Jean Henry
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    Protests against Whitmer continue at the capital woth lawmakers speaking to the crowd. Go GOP! Way to battle against divisiveness.

    https://www.michiganadvance.com/2020/10/08/republican-leaders-join-anti-whitmer-rally-outside-capitol-after-fbi-reports-murder-plot-against-her/

  35. wobblie
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    I think we are in for a very dangerous ride. Authoritarian movements frequently follow the same trajectory we are seeing with the Trumpanize. Legit grievances get morphed into nationalistic hate (in our case seeded with plenty of white nationalist and racist folks ). It is transformed by The Leader into a cult of personality, and degenerates into a death cult when faced with external events that do not fit their distorted world view. In its final death throes when reality is forcible juxtaposed to their fantasy world, and defeat is staring them in the face, they frequently follow The Leader and become a murder/suicide gang.
    Hitler was of course the most obvious example causing millions of additional deaths after it was clear Germany was going to lose. Almost as many people were killed in WWII after July 1944 (the failed coup) and Hitler’s suicide 10 months later.
    When Trump and his gang are routed in the election, expect more right wing terrorism, it is what they do best.

  36. wobblie
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    This guy writing from one of Hitler’s prison’s had some very perceptive comments concerning they types of people we are dealing with.

    https://theunityprocess.com/on-stupidity-by-dietrich-bonhoeffer/#:~:text=On%20Stupidity%2C%20by%20Dietrich%20Bonhoeffer%20Written%20by%20Nathan,independently%2C%20and%20to%20question%20their%20beliefs%2C%20is%20forfeited.

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Governor Scaryface was characterizing them as a white supremacist hate group which is somehow supposed to reflect badly on the President according to her. You said they remind you of me. It took me two seconds to find that they have an anarchist who hates Trump. In reality they are very much like you and antifa, who you regard as heroes.

  38. Jean Henry
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    https://www.juancole.com/2020/10/michigans-masculinity-groundbreaking.html

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    1) I think it is normal to worry about civil unrest.

    2) I think it is normal to prepare for civil unrest.

    3) I think it is normal to, as Fake John Brown has advised, to get guns and to learn how to handle and use those. guns

    4) I think it is abnormal to fantasize about civil unrest.

    5) I think it is abnormal and wrong, as Fake John Brown has done, to use threatening rhetoric about extra judicial executions.

    6) I think it is clearly illegal to make concrete plans toward attacking/ kidnapping political enemies and law enforcement officials.

    Fake John Brown has stopped short of 6 as far as we know. I would be very surprised if he is not on a list. The point is that this stuff is not tied to one extreme or the other. Even within this group there is evidence of pro Trump and Anti-Trump individuals. The media appeals to bigot logic to tie these illegal acts directly to Trump’s rhetoric. The bigot logicians here receive the message easily. When I heard “liberate Michigan” I did not hear “kidnap the governor”. I heard “put political pressure on Whitmer so that you can run your businesses legally”.

    Those idiots should be in big trouble. Plotting crimes is illegal.

  40. wobblie
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    FF, I am glad you at least trying to stay connected to reality. What do you think of these guys glorification of your hero Rittenhouse? I like the pictures of these guys from June standing outside Whitmer’s office with their assault weapons, they look like such patriots. JB is an obvious provocateur. He willingly bought every stupid Russiagate lie the “intelligence community” fed to the media.

    I remember back in the 80’s, AFSCME had just lost there clerical organizing drive at U of M. Not all of the clericals took this defeat well. AFSCME pretty much abandoned them. I worked with a small group of medical transcriptionist who continued the fight. We took the University to the Labor Board brought multiple ULPs against them, and ultimately won the group some bucks. News of their struggle/success spread in the hospital and we began meeting with x-ray techs, medical assistance’s and other groups. The next thing you know we are getting contacted by the technicians who were installing robots at the Buick City Assembly plant in Flint. Well we met with about a dozen of these guys, and in our first discussions with them, they wanted to know if we had connections to the Libyan Hit Squad. It was pretty clear, these guys were not really who they said they were, but rather an attempt to ensnare me and my fellow workers in a trap. We had nothing more to do with them. Decade later when working for the UAW I had occasion to spend a lot of time at Buick City as it was being eliminated. Turned out there was a LaRouche section in the plant–that is probably who had tried to set us up.
    Those poor meth head saps from up north are just patsies. Would like to know about the FBI infiltration.

  41. Posted October 9, 2020 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    HW. John Brown talks about buying guns to defend himself and others from the type of men who would kidnap and murder a governor. I don’t recall seeing him advocate for murder. I think I might have seen him advocate for using our legal system to try DJT of treason and *then* hanging him. But perhaps FF remembers it differently? Based on FF’s tendency to lie though, I would have to see proof.

    I condemn murders by antifa. I don’t think BLM has murdered anyone but I can understand why a man as racist as you are might lie to himself about it. What the fuck dude? The sad thing is that YOU deserve to have a no knock warrant issued where you get murdered by police. That is the kind of garbage human being you are.

    FF, right. YOU don’t hear that because you were not the target of his message. But I suspect that a man who is as good at manipulating the media as Trump knows exactly what he is doing. If he is like you, and too obtuse to see it, that is yet another reason why he isn’t qualified to be the president. I think that FF thinks it is morally ok for white men to go after an uppity woman like Whitmer (or brown-skinned elders like that shithead Nick Sandmann) I think YOU support that with just enough decency to try to lie and pretend that you don’t know that the President really is inciting these terrorists. I think that because the terrorists are white men being told to commit violence by the president (who is a white man), you are making excuses!

    Get out and vote people. We cannot let DJT win this election or else guys like HW and FF will allow all manner of harm to befall women and POC. You can tell by what they write here that they are that kind of person.

  42. Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    I wonder what message FF thought the GOP was sending when they invited Mark and Patricia McCloskey and Nick Sandmann to speak at their convention? I think the message was that if you disrespect and bully people of color including threatening them at gunpoint, you will be rewarded in the party. I wonder if these terrorists got the message! Murder “That Woman from Michigan” and then be a hero to the garbage humans like HW and FF? Seems plausible.

  43. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    “I don’t recall seeing him advocate for murder.”

    Your recollection needs work. That’s ridiculous.

  44. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    It’s difficult to respond to you Lynne because you are all over the place. Your brain is mush….

    “I think I might have seen him advocate for using our legal system to try DJT of treason and *then* hanging him. “

    I don’t remember FJB ever endorsing judicial processes and actual trials prior to hangings. He has spoken of “stringing people up” a lot though. At least half a dozen times FJB alluded to stringing his political opponents up from gas station roof tops Mussolini style….I think that is abnormal rhetoric. You don’t? Or do you think I am making it up? If you think I am making it up then we can play a game. You can offer quotes where FJB *supposedly* talked about executions after trials and I will offer all the times he talked about “stinging people up” with no mention of judicial processes. You will lose this game. When you lose the game what will make it you? Mistaken? A liar?

  45. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    “I condemn murders by antifa. I don’t think BLM has murdered anyone but I can understand why a man as racist as you are might lie to himself about it. What the fuck dude? The sad thing is that YOU deserve to have a no knock warrant issued where you get murdered by police. That is the kind of garbage human being you are.”

    You are the ignorant pig of a racist. I can prove you wrong all day. This on took two seconds and there are plenty more where that came from. What a fuckin’ loser.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8515507/Young-mother-24-shot-dead-fianc-saying-lives-matter.html

  46. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    This *one* took two seconds

  47. wobblie
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Lynne will you speak out against our (US) violence against people of color and woman in Africa?
    Do you think Joe and Kamala will stop our drone wars? Or more likely you are in favor of our Empire? The election is a great distraction, don’t have to look at the elephant in the room, quick look over there another Trump abomination.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/01/us-may-be-readying-drone-strikes-kenya-that-might-increase-violence/

  48. wobblie
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    I’ve got to do something much more productive. The reality TV show that is our President just keeps on keeping on.

    I want to see his reflex reaction, and is there going to be a prostate exam?

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-will-undergo-televised-medical-evaluation-on-friday-night-fox-news-announces

  49. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    “I condemn murders by antifa. I don’t think BLM has murdered anyone but I can understand why a man as racist as you are might lie to himself about it. What the fuck dude? The sad thing is that YOU deserve to have a no knock warrant issued where you get murdered by police. That is the kind of garbage human being you are.”—Lynne

    I support Rand Paul’s efforts to make no knock warrants illegal… Lynne thinks I deserve to be die? What would be the basis of the no knock warrant which ought to lead to my death, in your opinion, Lynne? You wouldn’t rather I get charged and go through the judicial process before I am executed?

    I don’t think you are a good person Lynne but I don’t hope for your extra judicial execution especially when I don’t have evidence of you doing anything illegal.

    I am not sure what to say. Wow Lynne. Just Wow.

  50. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    “I think that FF thinks it is morally ok for white men to go after an uppity woman like Whitmer.”

    Like I already said above: Planning to kidnap your political enemy is very illegal and ought to be prosecuted.

  51. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    “You are making excuses”

    No. Where did I make an excuse? I am pointing out that there is evidence that the people plotting a terrorist act were not all Trump supporters. I am pointing out that if your argument is that Trump incited the violence with rhetoric then you have an added burden to explain why someone who considered Trump an enemy would supposedly follow Trump’s supposed “dog whistle order” to commit terrorist acts against Whitmer. I am pointing out an inconsistency in the narrative. I am not making excuses for these idiots criminally plotting out a kidnapping.

  52. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    I have to admit I have not investigated the Mcclosky’s much. I will speak about Sandmann though. They had Sandmann speak at the RNC because: 1) He was a teenage victim of media lies; 2) He fought back against the media lies; 3) He won in court against the media.

    You are an amazingly bigotted person Lynne. You have no ability to witness the reality of any situations because you are clouded by your bigotry. Your preferred narrative is more important to you than the truth. The Sandmann situation highlighted this unfortunate fact about you. If you lived a hundred years ago you would have been a horrible racist. At the level of logic you are the lynching type. If our society allowed it now you are the type of person who would participate in lynchings. I don’t know if it is genetic? Maybe you just come from that type of people? Make no mistake though—you have some serious issues insofar as the ability to grasp truth and goodness is still considered a virtue.

  53. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    “JB is an obvious provocateur.”—Wobblie

    No, Wobblie. I think it is hilarious you would think that though. How does it feel to hear that Fake John Brown? Hahahahahah.

  54. Ypsilanti Truther
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Hyborian Warlord, You have mentioned on this site that you are a friend of John Barr, Jr., the man that some on this site suspect you to be. How do you know Mr. Barr? Are you also a Boy Scout leader?

  55. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    A friend? Hahahaha! You people are insane. I have known who he is for a long time. I have never talked to him as far as I can remember. Do I sound like a fuckin’ boy scout?! Fuck you, whoever you are.

  56. Ypsilanti Truther
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Someone should get your father involved. He must be concerned after the arrests yesterday.

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    ihhh

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    I can feel the intelligence wanting to pre-emptively drain away to avoid this idiocy.

  59. wobblie
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    You can count on the death cult to poison everything they touch. I encourage folks to communicate with Whitmer on the need to veto the UI bill passed by the murder/suicide gang. They tied an extension of UI benefits to Covid and health and safety liability immunity for bosses that endanger there workers. This will of course impact essential workers exposed to unsafe work conditions the most.
    The Michigan Immigrant Rights Center, The Sugar Law Center, The United Food Workers Foundation and the Michigan League for Public Policy are all calling for Whitmer to veto these tie barred bills and demand the legislature deal with UI as a stand alone bill.

  60. Jean Henry
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    HW— yes you sound like a Boy Scout. I’ve known many. You sound exactly like those most invested and enthusiastic about scouting even as adult men.

    I have many friends and relatives who rose to Eagle Scout status and got a lot out of scouting. While they value the experience none are the kind of booster John Barr JR and his militia-affiliated cronies are.

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Hey maaaan it would be reeeeally coool if we had a band? It could be called Trumpvirus Deathcult? It would be soo iroooonic? We could put umlauts on it and shit??? Like Trümpvirüs Deathcült? And then like add some more when we feel like it? It would be soo irooonic???

  62. Ypsilanti Truther
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian Warlord about John Barr, Jr.

    October 6, 2020 at 8:55 pm-
    “I was somewhat acquainted with Johnny Barr at one time so it is kind of surreal to hear that there are people who think the Hyborian Warlord is him.”

    October 9, 2020 at 11:37 am-
    “A friend? Hahahaha! You people are insane. I have known who he is for a long time. I have never talked to him as far as I can remember.”

    Which is it? Were you acquainted or not?

  63. wobblie
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    They have succeeded in wiping out the last outbreak in New Zealand. All social distancing and group size limits have now been cancelled. It must be nice to live in a country that takes crushing the virus seriously.

  64. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    I am a free thinker, not a joiner or a follower by nature. What makes you think your perception isn’t skewed? Mentally you seem to live on bizarre assumptions and backwards interpretations.

  65. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    As I said I was SOMEWHAT acquainted. Never talked to him. You ever know of anyone like that? You know who they are and they know who you are but you never talk? Jesus Christ you people are dumb!

  66. EOS
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Won’t last long. About as likely as eliminating the cold virus.

  67. Dirtgrain
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian Warlord: “Looks and sounds like antifa: Brandon Caserta

    https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314290638729490433

    He couldn’t bear to address the topic, so he came up with a typical troll-style misdirect. When you post such attempts to misdirect, it implies that you have no ground to stand on in defending Trump.

  68. Ypsilanti Truther
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    How was it that you came to know of John Barr, Jr. but never speak with him? What was it that he’d done that made you aware of him?

  69. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    If Trump is his enemy (see evidence), then doesn’t that fact bring into question (at least a bit) the narrative that he was acting on the “dog whistle orders” of Trump?

    Apply your own logic to yourself. Jesus.

  70. Posted October 9, 2020 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Re: “Lynne will you speak out against our (US) violence against people of color and woman in Africa?”

    Yes, wobblie, I will speak out. I am not sure of what actions you are talking about though. I know we have drone bases in Niger but I think that they are mostly operated by Nigerien soldiers. I have a friend who served at a base in Djibouti but they were not engaged in too much at the time. Regardless, I will believe you that USA has a long horrible history if treating Africans harshly.

    I have long thought that our military might pretty much is there to protect the interests of the super rich. The rest of need defense to be sure but we don’t need a military that is 10 times the size of the next largest military. I also tend to think that when power is available, -people will make use of it and that the best way to handle that is not to give them the power in the first place. I think we need to start reducing our military spending a LOT. We should cut it by at least 50%.

    What to do with the other 50%? I think we should share our culture. Let the world watch our TV shows and movies. Let them eat our delicious fast food. We could easily subsidize such things. And then I think that our military should be trained in things like natural disaster management and we should use it to help people rather than to hurt them. We have the resources to make sure that every human being in the world has their basic needs met and I honestly think that by taking that approach, we will be safer in the long run. I think that if you have a drone attack for instance that kills civilians, it creates terrorists. I could see myself becoming a terrorist if a government killed someone in my family. I totally support the United States working with the UN on improving things for women in the whole world, including Africa. We could probably beef up the Peace Corp too!

    It is true however that when presented with two choices (which is what our general elections do since the alternate party candidates have no chance of winning) where both are unlikely to change things with our military and both are likely to commit actions abroad of which I don’t approve, I will pick one of them anyway. I might work like heck in the primary season to get the person I want to be elected but I am not going to throw other women or people of color or immigrants or anyone under the bus as some kind of statement about war actions I disapprove of in the general election because doing that is very likely to make things worse.

  71. Jean Henry
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    What evidence are you referring to, FF??

  72. Jean Henry
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    We’ve done a great job of exporting our delicious fast food without much government aid and waves of obesity and obesity with malnourishment comorbidity in many places that previously had healthy diets culturally.
    God bless the USA and it’s corporate overlords.

  73. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    He said Trump is his enemy.

  74. Anonymous
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    John Barr Jr. has militia connections?

  75. Posted October 9, 2020 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Sooo the guy is an Anarchist. Those are just extreme libertarians. They aren’t exactly right wing OR left wing. Just crazy!

  76. Jean Henry
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Anarchist is not the same thing as Anti-fascist.
    Duh.

    And even most anarchists are not violent or interested in violent revolution.

  77. Anonymous
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    “Gooba. Gabba. One of us.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W99n083E0IA

  78. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 9, 2020 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    Yo Gabba Gabba

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xcpARm3oOEg

  79. John Brown
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Keith Olbermann coming back for the finale. I’m still waiting to see those taxes and Deutche Bank hidden books….”we get all the funding we need from russia”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyRzdIoy9Gg&feature=youtu.be

  80. wobblie
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    EOS not only has New Zealand crushed the virus, they have practically eliminated the seasonal flu. I know you grasp of reality is shaky, particularly having to give your allegiance to a baby eater is probably hard to deal with.
    A great many countries have now successfully crushed the virus. They of course will only let people from the Plague states of America enter their countries under very tightly controlled quarantine provisions.
    As the Australiasia economies become more integrated and as US and other plague contaminated products are eliminated from their economies, the plague in that half of the world will disappear. Meanwhile your Leader has condemned us to years of death and disease. MAGA
    https://www.reuters.com/article/healthcoronavirus-australia/australia-reports-no-covid-19-deaths-for-third-day-hotspot-faces-longer-lockdown-idUSL4N2H03GE

  81. EOS
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    Whitmer should be charged as an accessory. Of course, she wants to blame Trump. But in reality, she has spent the last 6 months acting as the Czar of Michigan, dictating which businesses would survive and which would fail. Refusing to use field hospitals, she instead choose to kill nursing home residents by requiring the homes to take in infectious patients. She claims to be guided by science, but she tells people we will eliminate the virus if we all wear cloth masks. It’s ok for her to march side by side with BLM agitators who are funded by Soros to instigate race wars, while at the same time not letting a person to sit alone in their boat in the middle of a lake.

    Of course these guys who planned to kidnap the governor to start a civil war are idiots who should be locked up for a long time if found guilty. But she needs to reflect on why she is among the most disliked governors in the nation and how she triggered them.

    When informed by the State Supreme Court that her actions were unconstitutional, she directed the Health Departments to issue the same decrees. Instead, she needs to work with our elected representatives in Lansing to work out rational plans to minimize the detrimental effects of COVID on our health and our economy.

  82. Ypsilanti Truther
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Hyborian Warlord,

    How was it that you came to know of John Barr, Jr. but never speak with him? What was it that he’d done that made you aware of him?

  83. wobblie
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    This is likely to be the best thing you will watch all day

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk-aP72i6oc

  84. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    John Brown should start committing Keith Olbermann’s greatest speeches to memory so he can, in the quieter moments, recite them to the troops who are fortunate enough to share a foxhole with John Brown. Keithite. Olbermann of his times.

    (I’m sure they will appreciate it when you bring all your back issues of PEOPLE magazine too JB.)

  85. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    You should film everything and make a documentary out of it JBro.

  86. EOS
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    What is your point Wobblie? Trump’s doctors used a medicine that was tested using fetal cells. Therefore I should disavow him and instead vote for a man who wants to use government funds to destroy human life at any time from conception up to and including birth?

  87. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Ypsilanti Truther, how is it you became such a moron?

  88. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Antifa is explicitly anarcho-communist. You people are absolutely moronic.

  89. Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Re: “But she needs to reflect on why she is among the most disliked governors in the nation and how she triggered them.”

    I think she is one of the most loved governors in the nation and is especially loved by Michiganders who can see how well she is managing things with this pandemic. I know for sure that most Michigan voters approve of her work here.

    Also, the evidence seems to show that Red State Death Cult policies result in…MORE DEATHS! Please stop calling yourself “pro-life” EOS. You simply cannot make that claim while advocating for the death of so many Americans from Covid. Not credibly
    at any rate

  90. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Anarchists are libertarians. Ask Cassandra. Simple.

    Whitmer is loved by Michiganders. Ask Cassandra. Simple.

    People in Michigan did not die at a high rate from Covid. Ask Cassandra. Simple.

    Blue states handled covid better than red states. Ask Cassandra. Simple.

  91. Jean Henry
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Gov Whitmer maintains a 51% approval rating despite being regularly attacked by the President.

    The President is a LOT less popular. Maybe he and his supporters should worry about that. I wonder would his Popularity ratings be used to justify a murder plot against him?

  92. Jean Henry
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/06/whitmer-keeps-favorable-edge-michigan-voters-poll-finds/5898087002/

  93. Ypsilanti Truther
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    I will take your word that you are not John Barr, Jr. I am having difficultly understanding your relationship with him though. You said that you were “acquainted” with him when his name was first brought up here. Later you said that you have “known who he is for a long time” but that you had “never talked to him”. I would like to know how it was that you were aware of him for such a long time. Had you read his self published book? Did you have a son in his scout troop? Do you work with his father?

  94. Jean Henry
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    EOS — Would you take Regeneron if you contracted Covid and a doctor recommended the treatment?

  95. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    “I wonder would his Popularity ratings be used to justify a murder plot against him?”

    That is a weird question. LOL. Huh?

  96. Jean Henry
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    “ Whitmer should be charged as an accessory.” — EOS

    Apparently the only life worth saving is a fetal one. Everyone else is personally responsible for all the bad things that happen to them.

    That line belongs in the greatest hits collection for EOS, another champion of logic and reasoning,

  97. Anonymous
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    “Apparently the only life worth saving is a fetal one.”

    Unless the fetus being sacrificed is to keep Dear Leader alive.

  98. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    I would like to have a look at your tax returns YT. I am having trouble figuring out the password to your bank account. Everyone has a deep dark secret and yet I do not know yours. I would like to know your deepest darkest secret now. I just need more information.

  99. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Hey, Ypsilanti Truther: I owe you no explanation. I control my information here. You sound like a moron.

  100. Demetrius
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    NYT: Why Michigan Is Considered ‘Fertile’ Ground for Anti-Government Extremists

    ” … With its fervent gun culture and its gaping differences between urban and rural populations, Michigan has seen its divisions grow ever wider since at least the 1990s, when armed groups on the right adopted increasingly extreme positions on limiting the government’s power. …”

    “There have been militia-type groups in Michigan even before we started using the phrase domestic terrorism,” said Bill Ballenger, a former Republican state senator who represented a rural area. “Before it never got to armed insurrection or an attempt to overthrow the government or assassinate people or anything like that.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/us/michigan-extremists-whitmer-kidnapping.html

  101. Posted October 10, 2020 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Demetrius, I certainly haven’t forgotten Tim McVeigh and his connections to Michigan’s militia groups.

  102. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    True or false?

    https://twitter.com/lawrencehurley/status/1314707072618049539

    “One of alleged plotters, 23-year-old Daniel Harris, attended a Black Lives Matter protest in June, telling the Oakland County Times he was upset about the killing of George Floyd and police violence.”

  103. wobblie
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    I am sure Daniel Harris and HW share the same kind of confusion about ideologies. There is nothing unusual about fringe right wing adherents flirting with other ideologies. I mean we are seeing dozens of neo-conservatives from the Bush era joining the Democratic Party championing Biden. Harris is clearly a disaffected young white man seeking solutions. As the saying goes, he obviously fell in with the wrong crowd.

  104. wobblie
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    “I’m proud of the coalition we have supporting us…we have seven former members of George Bush’s cabinet…this includes Colin Powell…Cindy McCain, John Kasich….”
    Kamala Harris

    like I said people from fringe right wing groups frequently flirt with other ideologies and movements (I think it is part of the American Way of being opportunistic).

  105. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Neocons have more in common with dems than with Trump. Obama and Bush were practically indistinguishable in foreign policy.

  106. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Perhaps the confusion and inconsistency can be located in the narrative?

    It reminds me of the “logic of bigots” as illustrated in the joke about the antisemite and Jew. When the antisemite became friends with the Jew the antisemite said “yes, you are my friend, but you are not a *real* Jew”.

  107. Jean Henry
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    The funniest thing about FF’s lectures is that he presents them as novel when they are painfully mundane. His inability to critique himself or anyone on the right casts an appropriately suspect light on all his statements of logical and moral principle. Yikes. I truly feel sorry for your family.

  108. wobblie
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf said he met Null several years ago when Null came to his office to vent about the Black Lives Matter movement. Leaf said Null wanted to start his own cause: My Life Matters, which he would eventually turn into what he called the Michigan Liberty Militia.

    Leaf said he would periodically run into Null at gun rights rallies in the state, and he “seemed to be a very concerned, straight shooting guy.” During the Flint water crisis, Leaf said, Null told him he drove to Flint to pass out water bottles alongside those involved in the Black Lives Matter movement.

    Leaf said that in May, he was invited to speak at a protest of Whitmer’s coronavirus restrictions, and Null and others associated with him provided security. Leaf, who is opposed to the restrictions and what he views as government overreach, said he invited Null on stage to make a point about self-described militias being the last line of defense for people’s rights if government fails. Leaf said he had no indication that Null was plotting to kidnap Whitmer, or that he was capable of that.

    “That’s why this is so shocking to me,” Leaf said. “I did not see this coming. Had I caught wind they were even talking about this, I would have stopped it immediately.”

  109. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    It is so fundamental though, Jean. I still have no evidence that you guys are capable of identifying your own bigot logic. When I see the lightbulb go off and a willingness to transcend bigot logic then I will stop hammering the same boring point. You are right though—I am talking about something that ought to be common sense. Like some sort of miracle, many in the MM.com community keep making the same dumb mistake.

    I am sorry if Jean Henry does not find my anti bigotry agenda novel/ interesting enough. I’m sure many racists find anti-racism boring too.

  110. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    I am not saying my main criticism spanning 4 years is novel. It is not. It is painfully basic. However, I am confused how Jean Henry can say the bigot logic critique is “not novel” and yet when I laid it out with crystal clarity 1.5 years ago she said she does not get it. Something does not add up. If it is not novel *to you guys* then why do you guys continue on your course of bigotry? Are you guys pro bigotry?

  111. Anonymous
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    If someone’s “deepest darkest secret” is being John Barr, Jr., maybe John Barr, Jr. should be a better person.

  112. Posted October 10, 2020 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    I have seen very little evidence that FF has a commitment to being anti-racist. Mostly it feels like he is calling other people bigots without an understanding of how bigotry usually presents itself in this country. My hunch is that white male supremacy is sooooo ingrained in him that it feels normal so when people resist it, he calls it “bigot logic”.

    Like most of what FF says, it is hardly worth paying attention to.

  113. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Vague Guy,

    I demanded YT tell us private things about himself, in an exaggerated way, to try to highlight the ridiculousness of the answers he was demanding of HW. It’s bizarre that your attempts at humor and wit almost always rely on a kernel of falsehood. Am I the first person to point out this tendency you have?

  114. Posted October 10, 2020 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    FF, If you were trying to highlight any ridiculousness on the part of YT, you have failed. The only person you have made look ridiculous is yourself, as usual.

  115. wobblie
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile, evidence that the Trump regime engaged in a false flag attack on Syria back in 2018, is totally ignored by our corporate media. Aron Matte reporting and his testimony at the UN. (Again thanks to Wikileaks we now know how the US manipulated and fabricated the UN report.)
    I wonder did anyone notice how we are now sanctioning any entity that helps Iran purchase food and medicine. Our illegal wars continue and the evidence is brushed under the rug.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbtTNFmwnWg

  116. Jean Henry
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    FF aren’t you bored yet? It is impossible for anyone to take you seriously. There will be no lightbulbs. Often your broad statements hold truth but the way you apply them is extraordinarily one sided and grossly hyperbolized and so the conclusions are corrupted. Anyone else would be bored to tears by now. Lord knows the rest of us here are bored.

    There will be no lightbulbs. Whatever motivates you to drone on is compulsive and unhealthy and I truly hope you find some other hobby.

  117. Jean Henry
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    FF is upset about ridiculous questions that someone demands be answered!

    ROFL

  118. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 10, 2020 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Jean, as I already tried to say, yes, it is tedious explaining basic stuff to the bigot brains around here but I feel an obligation to try to help you guys. If you will not receive my help then at least you can be used as an example for how not to be for others.

    YT’s questions were dumb, considering HW obviously is not interested in giving away a lot of personal information to the psychopaths on MM.com.

  119. wobblie
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    The Trumpanize are loosing it. There recourse to an argument is to go get their guns and shoot their opponents. We have seen this throughout the summer and fall. Expect them to totally disassociate from reality when the vote counting starts and their guy falls as hard as Goldwater or McGovern. With some luck Biden will have a Democratic House and Senate.
    https://nypost.com/2020/10/10/nurse-who-spoke-at-2020-rnc-busted-for-shooting-woman/?fbclid=IwAR1FlKXqoUOCnfq-g8eebVErxdqvO_UKPLAGpJKTCtJB5xguLOf_kGVVcbk

    I felt threatened so I went to my car got my gun and came back and shot her–but it was self-defense. The Rittenhouse defense.

  120. wobblie
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Since bigotry is a topic here, we are in luck in that tonight there is a webinar on the subject

    https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_xKugpSlPSFWpu_2Jr6VP7g?fbclid=IwAR1ael4gCTGcpGpHIG9UFoC3wxElT3MqVfqAKe4EWOPUOOd808DZNGrxEZw

  121. wobblie
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Another “very fine” Trump supporter doing what he does best.
    https://twitter.com/prunella/status/1315116779413278722

  122. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    You have a low level understanding of what happened around the Rittenhouse shootings. There are a lot of resources out there. Why not inform yourself?

  123. Posted October 11, 2020 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Where are all of the arrests?’: Trump demands Barr lock up his foes

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/07/trump-demands-barr-arrest-foes-427389

  124. wobblie
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    The true human death toll from the Trumpvirus

    https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/mortality-in-the-u-s-was-more-than-280000-higher-during-the-first-eight-months-of-2020-than-any-of-the-previous-five-years-over-the-same-period/

  125. Posted October 11, 2020 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Re: “FF is upset about ridiculous questions that someone demands be answered!”

    I thought that was hilarious too!

    FF, yes there are plenty of resources out there about the Rittenhouse killing. Enough that I ho-that kid gets put away for the rest of this life. We can’t allow dangerous men like that to be walking around in public. I think his mother deserves some time too for transporting him. He was not in Wisconsin for self-defense but he is going to make that claim. It doesn’t surprise me at all that you support white nationalists shooting people.

  126. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Would it still be hilarious if you found out I was not “upset”? Not trying to be a buzzkill but many here have humor that at its core is a kernel of falsehood. I don’t think that is how comedy is supposed work.

    There is bigot logic in everything that you say, Lynne. In a sense you are a wonderful resource. Horribly racists people function on the is-ought fallacy all the time—they mistake, for example, the fact that there is socio economic stratification along racial lines as indicative that there OUGHT to be a stratification because of inherent inferiority/ superiority amongst races.

    Similarly you use the same bigot brain fallacy when you tie the assumption that Rittenhouse will go to jail (is) with the notion that he ought to go to jail. You are not analyzing anything in the realm of ought. You are trying to piggyback off of a *hypothetical* “is” which you have concocted. Lynne is a lazy thinker. Most bigots are lazy thinkers—so it makes sense.

    In my opinion there is almost zero chance Rittenhouse is found guilty of murder. Assuming I turn out to be right it does not necessarily end the discussion of whether or not he ought to be convicted. Innocent people are found guilty all the time. Guilty people are set free all the time…

    It is highly odd that a person like Lynne, who is wrapped up in a movement which at its core asserts problems of fairness in our judicial processes, would also allow her assessment of “ought” to hinge upon the court decision that will give us our “is” in the future.

    You are a very confused person Lynne.

  127. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    “He was not in Wisconsin for self-defense”—Lynne

    This is a very odd statement.

  128. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Another blm murder yesterday

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8827241/Protester-shot-seriously-injured-Denver-demonstration.html

  129. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUaOMGYmbY

  130. wobblie
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    HW is confusing a hired Pinkerton security guard with BLM. Once again the death cult detaches themselves from reality. According to FF, the Pinkerton acted in self-defense. After all he had just been punched and was then subjected to a chemical attack.

  131. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Great video to share. If you are short on time skip to the last 5 minutes. Enjoy.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=WAhl7yl1Fyc

  132. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    It’s time for you to extend your little baby hand Wobblie. Reality is going to help you cross the street this time. Be a good little boy and listen to everything Reality tells you.

  133. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    He has a ‘Space Invaders Against Racism’ tattoo designed by “Rosa Antifa Wien”. Why oh why is it so easy stuff everything you say?

    https://twitter.com/tehseowner/status/1315156712614170624

  134. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    It’s only reality if Cassandra clicks on the link.

  135. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    I supposed an unknown number of mysterious processes are required to actually make it reality in addition to the requirement that Cassandra must click on the link for it to possibly be reality.

  136. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    I have seen pepper spray being sprayed. Before that there was a guy insisting that someone should pepper spray him. When was the punch?

  137. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    NOT a security guard. Why do you lie (without shame) every day, wobblie? Why is it effortless to prove you wrong on every single thing?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8828259/Patriot-Muster-protester-slaps-TV-crews-security-guard-fires-mace-shot-dead.html

    The Denver Department of Excise and Licenses on Sunday confirmed there was ‘no record for an active licensed security guard now or ever’ for Dolloff, who was hired to protect staff during the demonstrations, CBS 4 reported.

    ‘If he was operating as a security guard, he was in violation of the law,’ department spokesman Eric Escudero told the news station.

    ‘Security guards are prohibited from carrying or using a firearm without getting an armed firearm endorsement for their license. All security guards in Denver are required to get a federal background check before they receive their license.’

  138. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Looks like he closed ranks for combat and got the shit slapped out of him. What a little bitch to murder a man in cold blood because you got smacked in the face.

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/son-of-protester-who-was-killed-at-denver-rally-not-ok-family/

  139. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Don’t let go of Reality’s hand yet baby Wobblie. You have not safely crossed the whole street yet. Did you know that someday you are going to have to cross the street all by yourself? That’s when you will become a big boy!

  140. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2020 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Lee Keltner, blm murder victim at home in his hat shop

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_WJTPvl5tg

  141. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    From an article written several days prior to the “ Antifa soup drive” and “patriot Muster”:

    “[A] spokesperson for the Denver Communists, one of several organizations sponsoring the soup drive, acknowledges that the timing of its efforts, slated to begin at 1:30 p.m. at Civic Center, just prior to the Patriot Muster’s anticipated 2 p.m. start, isn’t coincidental.We scheduled our action after learning that the militia-fascists had called a ‘patriot muster’ against the Black Lives Matter movement, anti-fascists and Marxists,” the representative writes via email. “That’s us — guilty as charged and happy to oblige with our presence.The spokesperson adds: “We are committed to counter-mobilizing against the far right anytime they crawl out of their holes. Every far-right rally aspires to be a pogrom. They should never be allowed to assemble without being vocally opposed.”

  142. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    “We are committed to counter-mobilizing against the far right anytime they crawl out of their holes. Every far-right rally aspires to be a pogrom. They should never be allowed to assemble without being vocally opposed.”

    sounds about right to me. You start parading with your stars and bars and swastika’s, shouting you down is the right thing todo.

  143. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    It’s almost time for your soup!

  144. Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    “I see hundreds — I see hundreds of protests across this country that you guys, you know, unfortunately, don’t cover oftentimes where people are literally burning down cities. They’re burning down cities.”

    – Eric Trump, Executive VP Trump Organization

    Source:
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-10-11-20-rep-cedric-richmond/story?id=73548172

  145. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Today Reality is going to heat up your alphabet Soup for you Wobblie! It’s going to be yummy in your tummy!

  146. Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Which cities have been burned down? Does Eric Trump know the names of the cities which have been or are being burned down?

  147. Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    I haven’t checked this morning. Is Ypsilanti still there?

  148. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    It would have been more accurate to say “buildings in cities are being set on fire” . Are you denying the property damage that has occurred due to Arson? I have heard it estimates that billions of dollars of property damage has occurred at these mostly peaceful protests. I am not sure what percentage of the billions of dollars in property damage was the result of arson. Do you know?

  149. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    The Ypsilanti protests were peaceful. Other cities were “mostly peaceful”. The mostly peaceful protests are the ones where building are set on fire, people are injured, people are killed. Reality is busy with Wobblie right now. Would you like to schedule an appointment?

  150. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Not only is this Indigenous Peoples Day, in Sweden it is a day for Civil Courage,

    On this day, 12 October 1999, Swedish warehouse worker, rugby fan, revolutionary unionist and anti-fascist Björn Söderberg was murdered by fascists outside his home. Söderberg had tipped off the newspaper of his union, the SAC, that his colleague Robert Vesterlund was a Nazi and board member of another local union. As a result, Vesterlund was expelled from his union and quit his job. Söderberg was then assassinated by two members of the neo-Nazi organisation Nationell Ungdom. After the killing the SAC held demonstrations of tens of thousands of people in 25 towns and cities. The SAC also subsequently designated 12 October as the Day of Civil Courage, and gives an award each year in Söderberg’s memory. His killers and one of their accomplices were later jailed. Vesterlund wasn’t charged in connection with the murder but was imprisoned on separate gun and drug charges.
    This is an article about the murder at the time: https://libcom.org/…/1999-protests-against-fascist…

  151. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Since the “security guard” in Denver lacked a license to be an armed security guard–his self-defense claim will stand up about like Rittenhouses. Both will be going to jail. The law does not allow you to claim self-defense if you are committing a crime.
    Have you figured that out yet FF? Has reality paid a visit to you yet? Fantasy worlds end up disappearing almost as fast as the pet rock fad. Of course those who persist in believing in their fantasy world end up thinking their piles of rocks have value.

  152. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    You are not supposed to play with your alphabet soup Wobblie. You are supposed to eat your alphabet soup. Silly boy!

    I need to leave for the day but I want you to listen very carefully to everything Reality tells you while I am gone. OK?

    Bye bye.

  153. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Reality tells me that FF has decided to disassociate and play with his very very valuable rocks.

  154. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    I think this is more entertaining and intelligent than the FF video
    the rant is back
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk-aP72i6oc

  155. Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    FF, who do you think I am bigoted against? I think what is happening is that I am NOT supporting white supremacy and the patriarchy and you just think it is bigoted because those things are so normal for you.

    It is true that we don’t yet know the outcome of Rittenhouse’s trial but if he gets a fair one, he will most likely be convicted of at least second-degree murder. But as you say, guilty people go free all of the time and that is especially so if they are white men. The thing is though that guys like Rittenhouse who will travel across state lines with guns in order to “protect” white people from black people are dangerous. They are terrorists. And it shows what kind of person you are that you support him.

  156. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    Kyle Rittenhouse was being chased by Joseph Rosenbaum, an ex-con (drugged and raped young boys) who had announced his intention to beat him and take his gun. Another blm protestor fired his weapon while the ex-con was chasing him. Not truly in fear for his life?

    Lee Keltner was engaged by the phony security guard who tried to grab his bear spray, a non-lethal agent and got the shit slapped out of him. Fared for his life?

  157. Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    I am glad we are celebrating Indigenous People Day instead of celebrating a man like Columbus. Yay!

    I was born in a place called Waawiyatanong and I hope that as we move forward we can learn to acknowledge the harm of our colonial ways. It is interesting too because there is so much of our history has been whitewashed by those who have an interest in maintaining out white supremacist and patriarchal culture. For instance, one of the reasons that Americans fought the Revolutionary War was because the British were not allowing settlers into places like Michigan. So this war for “freedom” (freedom for rich white men only of course) was also about hurting the land and hurting the people who were already here.

  158. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    “parading with your stars and bars and swastika’s”

    That says it all about you. You equate the American flag with Hitler’s flag. Why don’t you finally fuck off like you were trying to already?

  159. Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    HW, you might want to rethink that position that it is ok to murder people who are mentally ill. Just sayin’

    I get it that mentally ill people can be scary. It isn’t OK to murder them. And the other two guys who Rittenhouse shot were clearly trying to disarm a murderer which of course morally negates any kind of self-defense claim. So even if he can use people’s biases against the mentally ill to claim self-defense in the first case, I don’t think he should be allowed to in the second. If we had a just world, the police would have treated them the same way they would have treated a black man in the same situation and he would be dead now.

  160. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    It’s okay if they are trying to beat you and take your gun with a mob. To try to slide into an argument that I am claiming “it’s okay to shoot mentally ill people” is ridiculous. You are ridiculous, Lynne.

  161. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Rittenhouse shot in self-defense in all three cases. A skateboard to the head can kill you and obviously so can a gun, which Mr. One And A Half Arms had in his hand when he got shot.

  162. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Who said Rosenbaum is mentally ill, by the way? I have not heard that. As far as I know he was just a piece of shit. Drugging and raping nine year old boys? What the fuck.

  163. Jean Henry
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    If FF would like some actual data v anecdote based on Portland and the few other places that have escalated, there is a project called US Crisis Monitor that is tracking them. I’m attaching this analysis because it offers some break out on BLM protests and there success. Please note that the GOP campaign to paint these protests as violent and destructive is being effective even with Dems in eroding support for the movement. And no, the data does not show that these protests are more violent than those coming from the right wing, despite the reality that they are a response to systemic violence against Black citizens while the others are about not wanting to follow rules for the safety of others.

  164. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    HW you just love to parade your ignorance. Old Glory, the US Flag, the one we asks citizens to pledge allegiance to is called the “Stars and Stripes “.
    The Battle Flag of the secessionist racist traitors (Confederate Army of Northern Virginia) who we crushed in 1865 is called the “stars and bars”. It is the battle flag of racist who inflicted untold death and suffering on our fellow Americans.
    HW please go and take some remedial US history.

  165. Jean Henry
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

  166. Ypsilanti Truther
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    HW said that he was an acquaintance of Joh Barr, Jr.. He later said that he merely knew of him. I wanted to know how he came to know of John Barr, Jr. I did not think that it was that difficult of a question.

  167. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    I was ignorant of that terminology. It’s true. Now you admit your ignorance of what is in front of your face today. There is no evidence the man that was shot was a white supremacist.

  168. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Acquaintance: a person one knows slightly, but who is not a close friend.

    Somewhat: to a moderate extent or by a moderate amount.

    So “somewhat acquainted” would be very slightly knowing. I don’t owe you an explanation at all although I did give you a clue. If you aren’t smart enough to figure it out then too bad.

  169. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    “GOP campaign to paint these protests as violent and destructive ”

    You are so far gone from reality. Murder beatings and arson aren’t violent and destructive? Okay there. Keep living in your fantasy world. It’s good to see you and the others like you fall.

  170. Ypsilanti Truther
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    How was it that you came to know John Barr, Jr. slightly, HW?

  171. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Looking on the map in your article I see hundreds of RIOTS represented so how can you say it is a peaceful movement? Do you think boxing is mostly non-violent?

  172. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    If you were intelligent and paid attention you would easily figure it out.

  173. Ypsilanti Truther
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    John Barr, Sr., Does your son have a job?

  174. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    HW, you need to watch the video. The “Patriots” he was with were there with their racist stars and bars flying right next to their Trump flags. Your ignorance of the symbols under which your compatriots march is truly outstanding. You do know what swastikas’ are right?

  175. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Jean has shared that link 3 times. But I think she studied it 0 times. I thought it was odd she shared it the first time. Thanks Jean—for confirming my understanding of the extent of the violence, arson, property damage and rioting.

  176. Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    I am worried about John Barr, Jr. Somebody should warn him that people think he’s anonymously making crazy comments on a local blog. Maybe he could post here and clear things up in the matter.

  177. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    I don’t have compatriots with swastikas. You do have compatriots with soviet flags though.

    It looks to me like Keltner had a BLACK LIVES MATTER shirt on when he was murdered by Doloff. Where are the stars and bars?

  178. Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Why do you think Trump and his supporters so often engage in such hyperbole when referring to the “burning down” of cities, FF?

    Why haven’t these people simply recited statistics regarding the number of buildings burned and the monetary costs?

  179. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Why don’t you just watch the footage of the burning buildings? The very first night they burned the police station in Minnie while police and firefighters inexplicably stood down.

  180. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    I would go to the site where Ypsilanti used to be to see if it’s still there. But It’s my understanding that a very dangerous beast dwells there, which would tear me limb from limb. This fierce creature goes by the name “City Attorney.”

  181. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    So, does the burning of one police station equate to the “burning down” of “cities” in your mind, HW.

    I’m not sure John Barr, Jr., wants to be linked to that characterization. We should probably warm him he will be if he don’t post here to clear things up.

  182. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    You are that ignorant or just trying to troll me?

  183. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    http://www.citypages.com/news/brooklyn-center-arson-blamed-on-black-lives-matter-biden-2020-anarchists/572508801

  184. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    You admire a guy who didn’t know Finland is a country. What do you think?

  185. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    https://mustreadalaska.com/anchorage-black-lives-matter-rioter-accused-of-arson-at-seattle-east-precinct/

  186. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    “Biden 2020 anarchists”

    LOL

  187. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Arsonist sets fire to a building = America’s “cities are being burned down”

  188. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Finland was historically dominated by Russia. That is a fact.

  189. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Do you see yet why I’m glad it’s guys like you that are representing the administration?

    Maybe FF will step out of his babysitting role for a moment and explain it to you, HW.

  190. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Many buildings.

  191. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2020/07/07/feds-adding-charges-post-black-lives-matter-protest-arson-rochester-ny/5392956002/

  192. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    You are getting wasted here so I don’t see what you have to be glib about.

  193. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Was Trump dropping a crumb for you, HW?

  194. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/1081126/rayshard-brooks-wendys-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested/

  195. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    How many buildings, moron?

  196. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    https://journalstar.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/lincoln-man-turns-himself-in-on-arson-allegation-for-fire-at-ez-go-other-suspects/article_217e697b-512f-5991-9c28-c694a6ba9ea6.html

  197. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Wendy’s torched = Atlanta wiped from the map

  198. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    How am I the moron? I am lighting your bitch ass up just like all those fires at the riots.

  199. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Give a number, dumbass.

  200. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Oh no! Lincoln, Nebraska has been burned down!

    Atlanta exists no more!

    Remember Portland? Nothing but a pile of embers.

  201. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Investigating well over 100 fires across the Twin Cities

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07MHPOGp2ok

    Shut. The Fuck. UP. You are the moron.

  202. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Why, FF, do you suppose it is that numbers haven’t been mentioned in any of the comments here regarding buildings destroyed?

    Why do you suppose it is that your heroes in the Administration use the expression “cities are being burned down” so often, rather than simple accurate descriptions?

  203. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    I sure hope that wasn’t John Barr, Jr. talking to me like that. Somebody should warn him that he has a lunatic who many people think is him here being very disrespectful to others.

  204. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Where did FF go, do you suppose?

  205. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Maybe it is because there are too many to count. Maybe because the media covers up the true extent of it. RITTENHOUSE PUT OUT A FIRE AT A GAS STATION. Damn it is easy to light your bitch ass up.

  206. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    I guess he doesn’t take his babysitting duties that seriously.

  207. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    All you are doing is proving you are the loony one trying to say facts are fiction. You are nothing but a troll. I tell the truth.

  208. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Yeah, I’m sure the Administration and their supporters don’t know how to tabulate such a simple thing.

  209. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Lynne,

    You are often a bigot against everyone who fall out of step with your particular agenda. Think about it. You often employ bigot logic to everyone and everything that threatens your preferred agenda and narrative. It is a form of dumb narcissism. You support black people in their struggles generally in your rhetoric but in the past there have been black people who have stepped out of line with your views and you have referred to those black people as “Uncle Tom’s”, here on Mark’s site. That is just one tiny example….

    Many people have the goal of living in a less racist society, for example. Just because a person does not agree with you on the way to reach that goal does not mean that they are Nazi white supremacists or complicit in such things….

    When I call you a bigot I am almost always tying it to the logic which you employ. You are as dumb as a dumb racist because you employ the same dumb logic that racists use to enact their anti-human and self-centered / group- centered agendas. I have given evidence of this lazy habit of thinking you participate in. Just because you do not understand what I am saying does not make what you are doing any less real. The reason you keep doing it is precisely because you do not yet understand.

    If you really want to learn more about your bigotry problem the easiest place to start is by thinking about how your thought and agenda may have been influenced by cultural Marxism and identity politics.

    Like the Deadwood in the clip I shared. You and your kind are the muscle for the bosses. Not the brains. You are the stupid muscle. When you realize your role you will understand how evil your behavior actually has been. You will realize that you should have been more thoughtful. You will realize that you have had a disconnect between your emotional/ spiritual side and your will—which is a will—which is under the control of the bosses.

    Time to wake up Cassandra.

  210. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    HW believes “cities are being burned down” is “facts.”

    Where did FF go? I wonder if he’d agree.

  211. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    137 arson fires in Oakland. You are my bitch, right?

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/OPD-on-protests-137-arson-fires-more-than-200-15332043.php

  212. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    I see FF just doesn’t want to talk about it.

    You’re a terrible babysitter, FF.

  213. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    How many arson fires occur in Oakland in previous years, HW?

  214. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    You’re a really stupid person, HW. And your emotionally and mentally stunted like your ridiculous hero.

    I’m the one who should be arrested for arson. I burn you over and over, and just get away with it.

    “You’re fucked.”

  215. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    HW, i know we have explained it to you before but one of the problems with being a moron is that morons often don’t know they are morons. If you think that you are besting iRobert here in any way, then I think we can conclude that you are indeed one of those morons without an accurate self view. Which is for the good probably. I cannot imagine the depression you would feel if you ever saw yourself the way everyone else does.

  216. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Mark, can you verify for me that Ypsilanti still stands?

    I just talked on the phone to a friend in Atlanta who gave me the disappointing news that Atlanta hasn’t been “burned down.”

  217. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Wrong. You are the fucked one. I can burn you to a crisp all day long.

  218. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    I’ve been having a great time campaigning with the young folks. I’ve been telling them how over the moon we would have been back in the old days to have opponents like these Trumpanzees. It’s really a dream come true.

    Thank God for EOS and HW.

  219. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    I don’t want John Barr, Jr., to be falsely associated with HW’s comments here. I’ll have a talk with him.

  220. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Investigated more than 150 fire scenes at banks, dental offices, stores and schools…unprecedented…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07MHPOGp2ok

  221. Jean Henry
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    HEY LOOK HW! Voter Fraud! Just like you said. We were all wrong and you were right.
    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/appalling-criminal-conduct-california-gop-accused-of-operating-fake-official-ballot-drop-boxes/

  222. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    We’ve been calling registered Republicans in the Ypsilanti area and polling them on their support of “the storm” and “the great awakening.” It’s going well. About 10% are fully on board, so we don’t argue with them. We encourage them to join us in spreading the word. For all those we contact who say they’re not on board, we tell them we want to come to their house and tell them the secrets we can’t say over the phone.

  223. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Look at the corner you are painted into. You say it’s moronic to notice the hundreds of ARSON attacks associated with your movement. There is no way for you to win that. All you have is empty ridicule. You have nothing to go on.

  224. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Your people put Trump ballots in the trash.

  225. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Maple Heights man indicted with felony arson during Cleveland riots

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFj6CK_KjYk

  226. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Look at the island you are marooned on, HW. It’s a desert island. I’m using it as a missile test range too. I just keep destroying you.

    I don’t know how you live like this. Being so wrong all the time. Getting made fun of continuously for it.

    You’re the fuckest of the fucked. You’re fucked squared.

    Hold on. I have some videos of some really shitty music to share.

  227. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    self-explanatory

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzF4hNNODIM

  228. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Durrr, where is da arson at?

  229. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Where are all the arrests, HW? Why has your uncle Barr forsaken us?

  230. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    How can it be wrong to post factually correct information as I do? All you have is baseless propaganda.

  231. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    I was agreeing with you, HW.

    I’ve been calling registered Republicans in Ypsilanti and telling them Atlanta and Portland are burned down. They try to argue, but I tell them they’re losers and they’re fucked if they don’t start reading Q droppings and educate themselves like John Barr, Jr. does.

  232. Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    It’s been good to see John Barr, Jr. has gotten over the initial shock of being outed, and has gotten back to spreading the truth.

  233. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Your entire argument is based on a deliberately narrow definition of the phrase “burning our cities down”. Do you think boxing is non-violent overall? It should be a rhetorical question but you actually have to answer it since it is the equivalent of what you are saying about protests and arson.

  234. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    My only regret is that we couldn’t get John Barr, Jr. a position in the Administration. That would have been the ultimate. Hopefully, we can get Trump a second term and give it another try. I’m guessing there will be a lot of positions opening up after the purge of all these disloyal losers like the AG.

  235. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    When I attend a boxing match, I describe it as two guys beating an arena of people to death.

  236. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    narrow definition of the phrase “burning our cities down”

    LOL

  237. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Unprecedented arson associated with your movement. Not a stretch by any means to say burning our cities down. If that particular phrasing is your big objection you are fucked.

  238. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    It just occurred to me that I can go through the Voters list and call John Barr, Jr. right now. I could then make sure he knows there is a crazy guy commenting on a local blog, and they many people believe it’s him.

  239. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    My movement? I’m with Q. I follow the droppings. I’m going to be part of “the storm” with you and EOS when the Crats try to steal the election. I’m hoping we can convince FF to join us too.

  240. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    No one ever said why they think I am Johnny Barr. How moronic can you get?

  241. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Detroit used to have more arson on Devil’s Night than any of these cities you’re talking about.

  242. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    It’s crazy to post true facts on barkbaynard.com and expect a good outcome.

  243. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Devil’s Night was when people burned abandoned houses though. Blm rioters burn homes and businesses and government buildings. Because it is done to force their ideology it is terrorism.

  244. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    I don’t know specifically what evidence there is to conclusively prove you are John Barr, Jr.. and it doesn’t really matter to me. I can see why people would suspect it though. There are a few circumstantial details which support the suggestion.

  245. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Like what?

  246. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Portland, Oregon: Rioters have yet again set fires outside the Hatfield Federal Courthouse by throwing Molotov cocktails. No Feds were hit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRP4xNSAhPw

  247. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Cities are not being burned down. It’s not true to say that. Using untrue words doesn’t help you make any case. I’m not discouraging you from doing it though. I prefer you continue to do it.

  248. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Man arrested for arson during downtown riot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMoGwbCeLgE

  249. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Where did John Brown go? Did the FBI finally pick him up?

  250. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Reward offered in arson during downtown Indy rioting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aKTZjN5R-s

  251. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    ATF Offers $5,000 Reward For Information On Arson Of Pittsburgh Police Cars During Riots

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxiOWdwOBM0

  252. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Cars & buildings in flames in second night of Kenosha riots

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGDWFrH8ZS8

  253. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    The U.S. Attorney’s Office has now identified the man suspected of burning down the Champs Sports store in Tampa during a night of rioting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RycoErp27s

  254. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    A 25-year-old man from Rochester was arrested and charged Monday with arson of a Minneapolis pawn shop.

    Montez Terrill Lee was arrested after investigators with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives received video footage from an anonymous source. The video shows a masked man, who investigators identified as Lee, pouring liquid from a metal container throughout the pawn shop, according to prosecutors.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp_J_AeXCGI

  255. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    FF, I know you don’t realize this and certainly wouldn’t admit if you did, but thank you for just proving me right when I say that what is happening is that you only think I am a bigot because you have normalized the view that white men are superior. I am NOT supporting white supremacy and the patriarchy and you just think it is bigoted because those things are so normal for you.

  256. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    FBI Boston seeking information regarding arson during riots in Providence

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nejbX-BMwk8

  257. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    You openly hate white men, Lynne. You have been explicit about that many times. You only like ones who have chopped their balls off like iRobert and baynard.

  258. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Portland protests: Police union building set on fire, riot declared

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJb9LtQ_orQ

  259. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Well, it’s nice we drove FF off anyway.

  260. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Looting and arson at the Walgreens Pharmacy N. King Drive in Milwaukee following demonstrations

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yilFrLvi3y4

  261. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    A car dealership in Kenosha, Wisconsin had many of its vehicles lit on fire amid unrest springing after the shooting of Jacob Blake.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WZeT9vr2-g

  262. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    HW to Lynne: “You only like ones who have chopped their balls off like iRobert and baynard.”

    That’s not true, HW. Lynne hates me.

  263. Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Also, if Mark did have his balls chopped off, he wouldn’t be the one to perform the operation. He’s too squeamish. Lynette could do it though.

  264. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    MINNEAPOLIS, MN (iNewZ.TV) Another man was in Federal Court this week in connection to Minneapolis riot damage. This one for an arson fire at Target headquarters.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59YpeyBSpi8

  265. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    So it’s all for naught, iRob. No happy meal or anything for you.

  266. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Mark’s the leading expert on ball-shaving in Washtenaw County. Eric Trump would say he’s put every set of balls in the county through a blender. I’d agree, but only if speaking figuratively.

  267. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Looters stormed Lower Manhattan on Saturday night — destroying store windows and lighting fires in another night of violent George Floyd protests.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B79fn6Fmj0

  268. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    You are getting lit the fuck up.

  269. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Cities are not being burned down. False statement. No ifs, ands, or butts about it.

    Boom! You’re fucked, HW.

  270. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know how you can be so wrong all the time and convince yourself you’ve been right.

  271. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Drone footage shows the extent of damage in Kenosha after a second straight night of unrest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo7LHr9LtX4

  272. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Trump and I want to know where all the arrests are, by the way, Mr. Barr.

  273. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    https://www.familyconsumersciences.com/2014/03/literal-interpretations-from-a-childs-mind/

    “One day when my children were young and couldn’t sit still I commented on how they were acting like they had “ants in their pants”. I didn’t think literal.int.picmuch about the phrase until my then preschool aged daughter literally checked her pants for ants! This is when I realized that children don’t always interpret the true meaning behind some of the common phrases that have been around forever; they actually interpret them literally. This lesson has students illustrating common phrases based on how a preschooler might interpret or visualize the phrase literally.”

  274. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Kenosha was burned down? What’s it now, a lake of melted cheese?

  275. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Does Kenosha have ants in its pants?

  276. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Seattle protest turns violent with looting and fires downtown

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_4FluN2Wsk

  277. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    You should tell us when you’re next public debate takes place, HW. We’d all like to see you devastate opponents in real life. Where and when is your next public debate?

  278. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    It’s a shame that FF is overshadowed by you. He’s pretty smart, but pales next to your brilliance. I guess that’s why he’s stepped away while you’re here shining.

  279. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Fires spurred by riots cost Richmond more than $2.9 million

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfoqBiVT5A

  280. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Trump’s murdered almost a quarter million people, in a manner of speaking.

  281. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Trump and I want to know, where are all of the arrests? HW?

    Where are all of the arrests?’: Trump demands Barr lock up his foes

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/07/trump-demands-barr-arrest-foes-427389

  282. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Usually when we bring up “Obamagate” we cant shut you up, HW. What happened? Why the silence suddenly?

  283. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Police declare riot after fire lit inside occupied apartment building in Pearl District

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKqZ8v-Q3u8

  284. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    I think you have to respond to the documents that the CIA warned the FBI and Obama that Clinton cooked up Russiagate to hurt Trump and take the heat off her.

  285. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    A man caught on fire after a Molotov cocktail was thrown on the 100th day of protests in Portland on Saturday night. Demonstrations in Portland started in late May after the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. On the 100th day of protests in Portland, protesters vowed to keep coming into the streets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNad2IlPBvE

  286. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    I have to respond to it? You know I’m not Mr. Barr, don’t you? I can’t move the investigation forward or arrest anyone. Where are the arrests, HW? Trump and I are waiting for an answer, Mr. Barr.

  287. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    In this courtesy video taken by Cody Sharpe, five police cruisers can be seen burning and rioters can be running from Rosa Park Circle after police used tear gas to disperse the crowds during the downtown Grand Rapids riot that began Saturday evening, May 30, 2020.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecXP6GlFawA

  288. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Why do you address me as Mr. Barr? You said there was something that supported that idea. You can’t stop bitching out about saying it though.

  289. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Where are the arrests, HW? Your dear leader and I want to know. Why the silence on that question?

  290. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    You do know that all of these things are happening under Trump’s presidency, correct, John? He’s not running as an outsider candidate. He’s the president of the United States and has been for almost four years. Clinton is not the president right now. I know it can be difficult to grasp but if America is on fire it’s on his watch.

  291. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    I was speaking to the AG, HW. I call him Mr. Barr. I donit to tease you.

  292. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    While Trump holds rallies, American cities burn!

  293. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    One of the FISA falsifiers pleaded guilty and you know that one thing leads to another. Everyone who dished out abuse about what I said about FISA (many here) ought to understand their viewpoint is severely compromised.

  294. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    You people are morons. The President’s enemies are rioting so it’s his fault!

  295. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    My question still stands: what makes you think I am John Barr, Jr.? I have as much evidence you are Jayden Hayden, Whitmer’s covid elder-abuser.

  296. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    The sucker that thinks Obamagate is going anywhere is a moron.

    The sucker who thought tens of thousands of indictments were going to be unsealed in a great storm, is a moron.

    Anybody who can’t see Trump for what he obviously is, is a moron.

  297. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Do you agree if it goes my way then everything you have said applies to you and not me?

  298. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t concluded that you are John Barr, Jr.

    There do seem to be strong suggestions that you are though.

    I do agree with Ypsilanti Truther in that the truth should be revealed. The people have a right to know. Most of all, John Barr, Jr. has a right to know. He has a right to know if he has a split personality and is commenting here. Then he can get help.

  299. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    “There do seem to be strong suggestions that you are though.”

    What is the point of making a claim with no evidence?

  300. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    When and where can we see your brilliant debating skills on full display in a real forum, HW?

    It would be great to see you bringing your special brand of brilliance to the public sphere in the real world. You don’t have anyone here who takes you seriously enough to actually engage in a serious argument with you. You deserve a real forum where you an demonstrate your skills.

  301. Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    HW: “What is the point of making a claim with no evidence?”

    For the same reason a detective doesn’t tell the prime suspect what evidence he has collected so far.

    I’m surprised a genius like yourself had to have that told to them.

  302. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Trying to weasel out of the ass-kicking you have sustained today with allllll that evidence of blm arson I posted.

  303. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Don’t quit your day job.

  304. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I conducted a whole investigation on EOS years ago, and never mentioned it until now. I didn’t want him to know what I had on him while he might still take action to muddy the evidence trail.

  305. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Looks to me like FF agreed with me that “burning down cities” is not an accurate statement. He hasn’t stuck around to defend it. I’m going to go with FF’s response as the more intelligent of the responses I’ve gotten.

  306. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    When am we see your brilliance on display in a real world debate or forum?

    Have you cancelled them all due to the pandemic?

  307. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    When will we see your brilliance on display in a real world debate or forum?

    I wonder why we haven’t. I wonder if anyone else here has any theories as to why that would be.

  308. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Cities are not being burned down. That’s a fact. There is a reason Trunpanzees are using that false language though. There is a reason why they aren’t just sharing the actual statistics on the topic.

    You loose.

  309. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Debate requires evidence and reason which means you would lose. Sarcastic comments aren’t going to get it.

  310. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    But where are the Obamagate arrests?

  311. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    “Cities are not being burned down.”

    Sure, if you are a toddler who can’t understand what grownups mean when they talk.

  312. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    You’re a bit slow, HW. I guess I’ll have to spell it out for you like everything else has to be.

    Nobody here takes you seriously. That obviously includes me.

    You haven’t seen real debate and you are obviously not capable of it. That’s likely why nobody here takes you seriously.

    If you wanted to have a real debate, you would engage in real world debates and forums. You don’t. We know that. It’s obvious from the clues we’ve gathered here.

  313. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Cities are not being burned down. Even FF admits that’s not the right language to describe what is happening. He understands it hurts your argument. You don’t understand that. Those of us that enjoy mocking you like it that way.

  314. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    You know nothing.

  315. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    You do seem like the sort of person who would get fired from a teaching job and then tell themself it was unfair.

  316. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    You have difficulty in relating to other people. That looks consistent with the claim that you are John Barr, Jr.

  317. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    John Barr, Jr. wrote a book. That seems a little above your capabilities. But I have yet to get a copy of it, so I haven’t yet compared the writing to what we have from you here. The reviews do seem to strongly reflect what reviewers might say about your writing here though.

  318. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Too bad there is no way to prove your opinions.

  319. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    There are, and you should know that. It’s unfortunate for you that you don’t understand that. But that speaks to why you’re not involved in real-world demonstrations of your debating prowess.

  320. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Okay, prove that I seem like the sort of person blah blah blah. It has nothing to do with reality. The best you can do is insist it does seem that way to you. It’s shocking to think there are adults who don’t understand this.

  321. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Looks like you guys are having fun today. The t-shirt Keltner was wearing was a Bikers Lives Matter t-shirt. Confusing the Stars and Bars with the Stars and Stripes, and then not being able to tell the difference between BLM t-shirts.
    Burning my ass up everyday.

  322. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    I find it interesting but predictable that HW interprets a hatred of White Supremacy and the Patriarchy as hatred of white men. I guess it is in keeping with FF’s “bigot logic” (which of course doesn’t use any real logic at all) As it happens, I am allied with many white men in our work to dismantle White Supremacy and the Patriarchy. I can assure you that those men have more balls than you do. They are strong and not weak babies whining about their lost privilege.

    I don’t hate iRobert FWIW. I just find him mildly irritating. LOL

  323. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Big deal. Those facts don’t define me or change the nature of the crime. You have to harp on insignificant details to try to stop me from steamrolling you. Nothing wrong with his shirt. I don’t know who had the stars and bars and don’t care. You can’t shoot someone because they wear any symbol. Not in this country.

  324. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    I think it is moronic you equate white men who vote for Trump as white supremacists, Lynne.

  325. Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    HW: “Okay, prove that I seem like the sort of person blah blah blah.”

    Those are the sorts of clues which can just be demonstrated to show some consistency between two things. They can, however, point to more tangible clues which can actually be tested for validity.

    HW: “The best you can do is insist it does seem that way to you.”

    Not true. There is quite a bit that could be said on the topic. A comprehensive explanation would take considerable time and organization, however. And like I said, I, like everyone else here, feel its not worth the time or effort to engage in serious, in depth conversation with you. I do think it can still be interesting and enlightening to share a very limited amount of explanation though.

  326. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Except Kyle Rittenhouse.

  327. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    “whining about their lost privilege.”

    You say that no matter what I say. It’s absolutely baseless.

    You said you would support violence against white people by minorities. You are in fact a sexist/racist bigot.

  328. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    There you go spending all day spewing baseless nonsense but when push comes to shove you don’t have the time. You mental weakling.

  329. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    “Except Kyle Rittenhouse.”

    Hm?

  330. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Life was simpler in the 90’s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMnRsemqnso

  331. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    You think he shot those guys because of what they stood for? Rittenhouse offered medical treatment to anyone who needed it. They chased him with violent intentions and fired a weapon while they were at it. What is wrong with you that you can’t understand that established FACT?

  332. Posted October 12, 2020 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Everyone sees you as a joke more than a serious mental sparring partner, HW. That’s your own doing, and I doubt it could be any other way. Your behavior doesn’t lend itself to seriousness. You don’t behave or communicate like a mature person. You seem very stunted emotionally.

  333. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Personal propaganda. Nothing to do with reality. It doesn’t matter what you say “everyone sees”.

  334. Posted October 12, 2020 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    I don’t have a lot of time to focus on anything frivolous, but what time I do have I wouldn’t use trying to have a productive conversation with you, HW. I would certainly consider it to be a far better use of my time to do an investigation of the claims that you are John Barr, Jr.

  335. Posted October 12, 2020 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Like I said, I’m not making an argument. I wouldn’t do that here. I would, however, consider it worth while to investigate the evidence which might demonstrate you are in fact John Barr, Jr.

    I’m looking at the judgement against Select Ride from 2007 right now.

  336. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Lynne
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink
    FF, I know you don’t realize this and certainly wouldn’t admit if you did, but thank you for just proving me right when I say that what is happening is that you only think I am a bigot because you have normalized the view that white men are superior. I am NOT supporting white supremacy and the patriarchy and you just think it is bigoted because those things are so normal for you.

    Cassandra,

    Such an absolutely weird thing to say as a response. I think whites men are superior? How did you get that from what I said? Can you connect the dots for me using some quotes where appropriate?

    I have been very clear: I think you, at an alarming rate, employ the logic that bigots and racists employ and I think it is deeply dumb of you. You seem to be clueless to the fact that there are a great number of people who want to work towards less racist, bigoted and sexist society, who simply reject the means by which cultural Marxists, such as yourself , choose to operate—because we believe your project is doomed to fail at achieving the ends you claim to be striving toward. Many of us actually think that your activities are making things worse. I can’t with good conscience support people like you who, through their speech and deeds are part of projects that are ensuring that racism and sexism will actually become worse.

    Much of what I say here is an effort to show that projects that employ the logic of racism can’t transcend racism. You are free to dispute what I say but the thing is I have had zero indication from that you even understand what I am talking about when I spell it out with crystal clarity.

    YOUR RESPONSES ARE SO WEIRD!!!!!!!

    You are either dumb or full of malice. I often am not sure which one explains it….

    In short, I again think the easiest route for you to do gain some understanding is to try to think critically about how cultural Marxism and identity politics have influenced your thoughts and actions.

  337. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    It is important to use the proper phrases when casting incantations. Identity Politics, cultural marxism, transcend racism, but it is important that you use the magic words in there proper order when casting your spell FF. Also you need to use one of the magic words either proceeding or following the use of the word bigot. Repetition is also key. Once you get the proper order of your incantation down, repeat endlessly.

  338. Posted October 12, 2020 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    HW, you don’t think that those white male voters are responding to the president’s racism and sexism?

    FF, It is true that I have no idea what you mean by “bigot logic” but as you have demonstrated here quite often that you don’t understand bigotry OR logic, I don’t think the fault is mine. But what the heck? Is there anyone here other than FF who can explain to me what they think he means by the term?

    I am not even sure what you mean by the term “cultural Marxism” but knowing you, it seems plausible that you mean it like this = https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2003/cultural-marxism-catching

  339. Jean Henry
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Mitch McConnell/McGrath debate in Kentucky. Fun stuff: https://www.c-span.org/video/?476816-1/kentucky-us-senate-debate&fbclid=IwAR3T-2E9FiaIftOwUCI1XOE_ly7xcuBfNrhHXG2kdmPVzkS6QZOvJ9Zr_lg

  340. Jean Henry
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    McConnell has now blown racist dog whistles (the same ones!) twice in the first 10 minutes. Puerto Rico received more funding than Kentucky and Illegals get health care in the Dem proposed package he blocked. Imagine! I hope Kentucky sees through his BS but I doubt it…

  341. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    “the president’s racism and sexism”

    All of you need to learn the difference between opinion and fact. It’s as if the part of your brain that does that does not exist.

  342. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    The Puerto Rican government wasted a lot of the aid they claimed did not exist. Water, baby food, cots, etc. Nice folks. We should maximize aid based on this behavior and call it racist to not want to do that.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article239469148.html

  343. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    We can afford to give health care benefits and welfare to an unending stream of illegal immigrants, a policy that acts as an incentive for illegal entrants. We are the USA. We can afford anything!

  344. Jean Henry
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    HW– In a public health emergency like a pandemic, we need to treat everyone who gets sick regardless of citizenry. For the sake of all. Duh.

    How much does it cost to not treat everyone in a pandemic you fucking idiot?

  345. Jean Henry
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Are you going to go work in a meat processing plant? I hear you can’t hold a job. They are hiring in my hometown and elsewhere because they lost a lot of people (many foreign laborers) to Covid outbreaks. There are many people who think like you do around those chicken plants in Lebanon County PA. Please move.

  346. Jean Henry
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Mushroom plants are also hiring. Excellent work for basement dwellers who don’t care bout seeing daylight.

  347. Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    All of you need to learn the difference between opinion and fact. It’s as if the part of your brain that does that does not exist.

    OMG, the irony is almost too much! But ok I will play

    Fact: Our president bragged about grabbing pussy.

    Fact: The definition of sexism by Oxford English is: “prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.”

    Opinion: Bragging about grabbing pussy sounds like there is some prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination there. The president is a sexist.

    HW, I get it that you are of the opinion that our president is neither sexist or racist or ablist or whatever but your opinions are typically not well thought out, not based on any facts, and generally asinine.

  348. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Right, it sounds like that TO YOU. It’s your opinion. You never have facts. I post thousands of facts. Look how many I posted in just one thread today. Your denial is strong but it can’t hold up forever.

  349. Posted October 13, 2020 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Right, HW. That is the irony. You don’t post that many facts and are clearly confused about the distinction between a fact and an opinion. You accuse others of presenting opinions as fact but really you are projecting when you do that because that is what you do all the time!

  350. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Lynne,

    The article you shared called “cultural Marxism” (the phrase) as a marker for antisemetic conspiracy theory!!!!!!

    Is it a CONSPIRACY THEORY that Marx influenced a set of thinkers, who used his basic framework of oppressor vs oppressed, and applied it to the realm of culture in hindsight view of the total failure of the application of Marxist ideas in the ream of economics? Is it untrue that that set of thinkers are very very popular in American colleges? Is it untrue that many student activist-BLM-Antifa groups explictly express their alliance with those thinkers? Do those thinkers and the leadership explictly express that they are Marxists?

    It does sound like there is evidence that some ANTI SEMITISM hate the people around the Frankfurt School of critical theorists. It is true that they were almost all Jewish. It is not inconsistent with being an antisemite that you would hate a group of leading Jewish thinkers is it? If anti Semites do not like bagels am I obligated to bagels over donuts?

    The SPLC has credibility issues in my opinion. This article they shared is a piece of evidence against them in my opinion. The article is LOL hilarious trash. I suspect the sharing of this article is part of a recent effort to discourage people from investigating what more recent movements are rooted in often MISREPRESENTING in grotesquely distorted ways.

    People are waking up to the logical underpinnings of these movements. People are becoming critical. It is a great thing to see. It is no surprise that the Wikipedia entries for “cultural marxism” have gone from factual to fantastical fairy recently. It’s just another lame attempt to smear people (by association) who figuring shit out.

    What should we call a group of thinkers that Marxists and focus on culture rather than economy? Who cares what term we attach to it? Lynne does!!! Why though? What does it say about Lynne and her motivations? Is Lynne motivated by Truth or power?

    Hint: Lynne never fails to reveal her bigotry. It’s in everything she does and says.

  351. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    I apologize for all the writing mistakes. I am short on time.

  352. Posted October 13, 2020 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    It is not the writing mistakes. You failed to use the other magic words, and left out bigot entirely. This incantation will be a total failure. Go back and relearn the words and phrases. You also critically forgot to link “group of thinkers” with colleges and universities. You will never make a good conservative until you learn the proper spells. EOS has them down, anti-intellectualism touched with some confusion over race is just not going to work by themselves.

  353. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    You are trying to gaslight. You are pretending like I am parroting shit. Why not just call me an Anti Semitic Conspiracy theorist?

    Are any of my questions to Lynne about the article she shared invalid questions?

  354. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 15, 2020 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Cassandra has had enough time to think about it. What, in your opinion, ought to be the basis of the no-knock warrant that leads to my execution—which you say I deserve?

    #descendantfromlynchers

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