Whitmer accuses Trump of “inciting domestic terrorism,” saying that he’s “complicit” in the plot to kidnap and execute her

Yesterday, the FBI released the following video which appears to show several of the men involved in the recently thwarted plot to kidnap — and likely assassinate — Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. The FBI, as you will recall, found the threat — which involved two former Marines — to be both serious and credible, arresting five of the men here in Ypsilanti, as they sought to purchase explosives, after having surveilled the Governor’s vacation home in northern Michigan. [The explosives were to have been used to blow up a highway overpass, distracting local law enforcement officers, while they tased, kidnaped, and “tried” Governor Whitmer for her imagined crimes.]

Donald Trump, who has yet to offer any words of support for our Governor or her family, was in Michigan yesterday, addressing his supporters at an airport near Muskegon. While there, he played down the seriousness of the planned attack, saying, “I guess they say she was threatened,” in a dismissive tone, and then encouraging his supporters as they chanted “lock her up” in response to his instance that Whitmer stop trying to slow the spread of COVID-19 and reopen the state… Here’s the video.

Our Governor, as you might imagine, did not appreciate having the President of the United States inciting this kind of violence. This morning, appearing on Meet the Press, the Governor said, “It’s incredibly disturbing that the President of the United States, ten days after a plot to kidnap, put me on trial and execute me … (is) inciting this kind of domestic terrorism.” “It is dangerous,” she added, “not just for me and my family, but for public servants everywhere.” [Whitmer had previously said that Trump was “complicit” in the plot, for his encouragement of armed domestic terrorism organizations in Michigan to “liberate” the state from her control.]

Trump’s daughter-in-law, Laura Trump, speaking on his behalf this morning on CNN, said that the President was just “having fun” at the Muskegon rally.

Please vote, everyone. This may be our last chance to save this republic of ours.

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50 Comments

  1. Posted October 18, 2020 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    I voted yesterday!

    I sometimes find myself thinking along the same lines, that this election may be the last chance to save our democracy. But then I remember that the USA has a LONG history of not being especially democratic. We have even had worse presidents (Andrew Jackson anyone?). We have a long history of allowing the elite to call the shots and yes, wobblie, I know that includes the Democrats too. But we also have a LONG history of always marching in the right direction ultimately, even if there are setbacks on the way!

    If Biden wins this election, we will march in the right direction more quickly to be sure but I am not sure even Trump can stop the progress. He was not elected by a majority but it is the majority that drives change anyway. As a nation, we are becoming increasingly less racist, less sexist, less anti-lgbtq+ and more tolerant of diversity in general. I don’t see that stopping if Trump wins this election.

    It is really gross though watching Trump stoke the racism and sexism in people in order to get votes. But hear me now, EOS, HW, FF, and any other Trump voters out there. You will not win even if you win the election! Your racism and sexism will die when you die. There is no future for your way of thinking in a decent society. I have been so impressed by younger people. They are not going to let our country down and even if they are not voting yet, they will as they get older. If we can survive this time, we will be ok.

    But again, if Biden wins, it means things will get better more quickly and with less struggle. So that is worth voting imho!

  2. Demetrius
    Posted October 18, 2020 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    In 2017, I would have been shocked.
    In 2018, I would have been outraged.
    In 2019, I would have been appalled.
    In 2020 … Sad to say, I’m pretty much numb.

    Even if (God forbid) something terrible would have happened to Governor Whitmer, I don’t think Trump would have behaved any differently.

    The fact is, Trump (and many of his supporters) have no sense of decency, empathy, or shame.

    What really is left to say?

  3. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 18, 2020 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    The bigot logic which Lynne employs at an amazingly high rate is the lifeblood of the racism and sexism her political rivals are trying to help eradicate. Lynne seems to be unaware that it is not at all unusual for the worst kinds of people to claim the moral high ground. On a side note, isn’t interesting that Lynne seems to fanaticize about the death of her political rivals?

    #darksoul
    #dimwit

  4. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 18, 2020 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Oct 18 2020 00:01:04 (EST) NEW
    Those who provided Hunter w/ underage girls [trafficked?] _same people who also took the pictures?
    If large sums of money are being paid by foreign [state] actors [to protected [in powerful positions] US pols] would they want assurances the deal will be kept?
    Bribes & blackmail.
    Dark secrets.
    Q

  5. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 18, 2020 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Muh racism ‘n’ muh sexism tho.

  6. Sad
    Posted October 18, 2020 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    HW what’s happens to all the children if Trump loses the election?

    Should he maybe have acted sooner to protect them?

  7. Posted October 18, 2020 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Re: ” Lynne seems to be unaware that it is not at all unusual for the worst kinds of people to claim the moral high ground. “

    FF, How could I possibly be unaware of that when you do it all of the time here?

    I wasn’t fantasizing about the deaths of my political rivals either. I was just looking at the silver lining about death in our species. Most humans become more rigid in their thinking as they age. They also often become resistant to change. But they die and are replaced by younger people who bring about the change. Then as they age, the ideas that were new when they were young are old and younger people are again the ones changing and progressing. Then *they* die off. This happens to us all and while death, of course, involves grief, ultimately it feels necessary for human progress and I don’t see this changing any time soon regardless of who wins this election. You can’t paint that as fantasizing about the death of political rivals if you wish but I don’t share that opinion.

  8. Posted October 18, 2020 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Ugh typo. replace “can’t” with “can” in that last sentence

  9. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 18, 2020 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Old school bigotry lives inside of you Lynne:

    -Kick them in the nuts

    -Get covid and cough on Trump supporters on purpose

    -They deserve to be murdered

    -When they die the world will be better a better place

    #yuckylynne

  10. Posted October 19, 2020 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    I have found that when someone has to lie or misrepresent to make a point as you so often do, FF, it is a sign that they know what they are doing and reflects on their character badly,

    I will also note that you seem to have a much greater issue with symbolic language than you do with white men like Trump actually harming real people in the real world. You even actively support that! You like watching white men bully others which is why I assume you still support that Nick Sandmann prick. That also shows us all a little something about your character and frankly, it doesn’t look good.

    You have no shame of course but I think you should feel ashamed because you actually hurt people and I just sometimes make rhetorical points such as getting COVID and coughing on people. I obviously would never do that but you know who can’t say the same? Anyone who has attended a Trump rally and Trump himself. If you voted for Trump you have blood on your hands.

  11. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 19, 2020 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Your expressed prejudices against the teen Nick Sandmann are also examples of your bigotry. Thanks for mentioning Nick Sandmann again, Lynne.

    I am only putting a mirror in front of you Lynne. Why do you think you freak out every time you are forced to look in a mirror? Come on Lynne. There must be a part of you that knows what is going on here on a psychological level…If you really were somebody who valued personal growth and evolution then you would consider me one your best friends…

  12. Posted October 19, 2020 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    You may think you are putting up a mirror but you are not. What you are doing is more akin to schoolyard bullying which I suppose is one reason you vote for Trump. I don’t freak out although I admit that when someone lies about me as much as you do, I find it a bit annoying. I know exactly what is going on here on a psychological level. You are deeply insecure so you lash out even if it means lying to make points. It is pathetic and sad really. I hope you get help.

    I do value personal growth and have been working with some black women ( who I pay for the service) on becoming a more racially inclusive feminist. Your “help”, unfortunately, would really set me back since you seem to consider acceptance of white supremacy and patriarchy as “growth” and that is not at all the direction I want to head.

  13. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 19, 2020 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    What did I lie about exactly?

  14. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 19, 2020 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    I didn’t mean you emotionally freak out. I mean you depart from the truth in highly abnormal ways—but in a pattern that has become very predictable.

  15. Posted October 19, 2020 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    You misrepresent things I have said. I suppose it isn’t exactly a lie if the issue is your inability to understand figurative language. Saying you are lying involves a presumption of intelligence that I have no evidence of.

  16. Idea Guy
    Posted October 19, 2020 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    We can probably build the wall along our border with Mexico using the corpses of our COVID-19 victims.

  17. Posted October 19, 2020 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    FF, I’ll be your huckleberry and take the bait. I am a bigot and proud of it. I am obstinately attached to the notion that rich people are mainly lying sacks of greedy self-serving shit. I feel the same way about racist. In fact I am such an unreasonable bigot I have no problem calling racist, racist, or the rich, greedy sacks of shit. My bigotry spills over into most every activity in my life. I even hate war-mongers and the ways in which greedy sacks of shit promote racism so we can continue to engage in endless wars against poor brown people around the world, all so greedy sacks of shit can get richer.
    Then of course I am a bigot in its original french meaning as well, I don’t much care for religious hypocrites either.
    I mean JH clearly identified these traits in me when she labeled me dogmatic, but she failed to understand my life long commitments to disliking rich racist war mongers.

  18. Posted October 19, 2020 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    How much money makes a person rich in your opinion, Wobblie.

  19. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 19, 2020 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Ok. Lynne is now saying I am not lying.

    Lynne’s argument is that I misinterpret her when she says bigoted things. I misunderstand her when she wishes others are murdered dead and injured. I miss the joke when she threatens bio-terrorism.

    The wild thing is in the next breath Lynne assumes she correctly interprets that a teenage boy is a horrible person based upon her interpretation of him standing motionless in front of the Lincoln memorial on a HS trip to DC as he waits for his bus.

    Lynne’s power of interpretation must be pretty strong. She can look at a teenagers face and know he is a thug-prick.

    #descendantfromlynchers

  20. Posted October 20, 2020 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    One of our most perceptive and knowledgeable if also pessimistic social thinkers speaking over the weekend.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxSN4ip_F6M

  21. Posted October 20, 2020 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Was attempting to post this article on Facebook. The corporate censors won’t let me. An article from the Newspaper of Record in The Bahamas is considered “spam”. The monopolies truly want to control information.

    https://thenassauguardian.com/bursting-at-the-seams/

  22. Posted October 20, 2020 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    The Bahamas is also witnessing reinfections of previously “recovered” patients. They are also reporting strokes in young people who exhibited no signs of poor health prior to Covid infection. My friend Matthis had a stroke contemporaneous with his Covid infection. The death cults embrace of “herd immunity” will result in numerous unnecessary deaths. But let’s talk about Hunter’s laptop, rather than how we move forward to protect the most people.

  23. Posted October 20, 2020 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Nobody here wants to talk about Hunters laptops, Wobblie. I can’t get FF to come here and talk about how happy he is that Giuliani’s October surprise has been sprung. Even EOS won’t come celebrate. John Barr, Jr. wouldn’t go into any detail. I don’t get it. Where’s the party?

  24. Posted October 20, 2020 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Biden (or the Clintons more likely) must have gotten to Barr. I see that Biden is vetting Republicans for inclusion in his cabinet. Maybe Barr is hoping for 8 more years as AG.
    I suspect EOS is busy barricading his bunker and FF is to embarrassed by his take on the virus to want to come out and play.
    Just saw this. I am surprised they have managed to keep the big U open this long. It looks like they will let them out to vote.

    Washtenaw County Health Department is issuing a public health emergency stay in place order for University of Michigan undergraduate students effective immediately and continuing through November 3, 2020 at 7:00 a.m.
    The number of COVID-19 cases among U-M students is increasing and represents over 60% of local cases. Stay in place orders are intended to limit socializing among students, slow down new cases, & allow for effective case investigation and contact tracing.

  25. Posted October 20, 2020 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    This looks like a good way to support non-chain restaurants to get the ethnic food I know we all want. Got to get your order in by Thursday.

    https://www.doyoulovepolishfood.com/the-great-pierogi-polish-favorites-drive-up-102420?fbclid=IwAR0TKrg4qKYtDfc2WhGOlqbvD71N3ZlMby0MQvlnxgx2yt7AoNjq6N4UPRY

  26. Posted October 20, 2020 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    I am unfortunately too broke to do that pierogi thing but I did it earlier this year. They had a lot of kinks to work out in that people were waiting for HOURS. I was lucky because my “slot” was early in the day so I only waited for a little over one hour. The food I got was pretty amazing and the best part was a halupki dinner that came from a restaurant in Milford. It was soooo good. The pierogi were not as good as the ones made at church but still worth the wait. Anyway, I think maybe it is time for a nice fall drive up to Milford for some carryout!

  27. Posted October 21, 2020 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    BREAKING—Huge CDC study says #COVID19 not only caused 285,000 excess deaths— but CDC also found, surprisingly, that it has struck 25-44-year-olds very hard: Their “excess death” rate is up 26.5% over previous years, the largest change for any age group!

    Can’t wait for EOS and FF to make up reasons.

  28. Posted October 21, 2020 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    This is the report.
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

    The highest increase was with Hispanic folks. Essential workers thrown under the bus by a heartless corrupt government. MAGA

  29. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2020 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    “FF is to embarrassed by his take on the virus”

    My main point was that Michigan was doing worse than FL but everybody praises Whitmer and puts down DeSantis. Newsflash: Adjusted for population and demographics FL is still doing better than MI. And MI is currently trending much worse than FL.

    Compare hospitalization graphs.

    Compare new infection graphs.

  30. Posted October 21, 2020 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Deaths per million population:

    750 Florida
    739 Michigan
    586 Sweden
    51 Norway

    The southern US experienced surge more than two months after the northern US metro areas.

  31. Posted October 21, 2020 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Michigan experienced the dramatic surge in the first half of April. Florida experienced its dramatic surge in the latter half of July, three and a half months later. After that surge, Florida still hasn’t ever reduced its average daily deaths much below 100.

    See Michigan’s graph of daily deaths here:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/michigan/

    See Florida’s graph of daily deaths here:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

  32. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2020 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Come on. Everybody knows Florida has more older people. I read an early article that said FL has 18 of the 50 cities most vulnerable—they are still doing better than MI.

    As I said before I did some quick math and came to the conclusion that for FL and MI to be equal in terms of death FL would have 2.5 deaths for every 1 MI death.

    There was a moment early on where FL was just 3 weeks behind MI in terms of cases. Louisiana was getting hit early alongside MI too. So, I reject your often repeated claims.

    You guys seem to get comfort by twisting your minds to make yourselves believe you have a handle on it. I can’t blame you. Uncertain times, but it is annoying when you act like you have a better handle on stuff than others.

  33. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    FL is trending down. Look at their hospitalizations, infections and deaths. Whereas MI is trending up. The only reason I say any of it is because I think it is irrational to praise Whitmer and make fun of DeSantis.

  34. Posted October 21, 2020 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    The entire southern half of the country experienced its big surge around mid-July. Louisiana was the only exception, having just hosted Mardi Gras. If you actually looked at all the other southern states graphs, you’d see that they all experienced their big surge in mid-July.

    The reason people were praising Whitmer (or are) is because the deaths in Michigan was hit three-and-a-half months before the Southern US was, and still Michigan got it’s daily deaths down to less than 20. They’ve kept it there for months now.

    Florida, which experienced its major surge 3.5 months later, has already exceeded Michigan in deaths per capita. Florida also has never brought its daily death rate to much below 100 since then.

    Now the entire northern US is experiencing the autumn surge. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Michigan does retake Florida in deaths per capita at some point in the next few months.

    I make fun of how stupid DeSantis is because he, like you, thought he had accomplished something when the big surge hadn’t hit his state yet. That was very stupid.

  35. Posted October 21, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Michigan experienced the dramatic surge in the first half of April. Florida experienced its dramatic surge in the latter half of July, three and a half months later. After that surge, Florida still hasn’t ever reduced its average daily deaths much below 100.

    See Michigan’s graph of daily deaths here:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/michigan/

  36. Posted October 21, 2020 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Now compare it to the graph of Florida’s daily deaths:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

    Also, look at graphs for North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Texas, New Mexico Arizona, and even Southern California.

  37. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2020 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    I think it would be a good idea for you to consider the idea of “intervention bias” when you compare the surges and then draw conclusions.

    https://first10em.com/ebm/intervention-bias/

  38. Posted October 21, 2020 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    You seem to want to deny that southern states were hit by their most significant surge in July*. You shouldn’t ignore such a significant factor.

    I think the main reason some people so praise Whitmer is because she had to take action within the vacuum where a competent federal government would have lead the mobilization and response.

    That’s actually why people anywhere are praising their governors so much, Republican or Democrat. Ohio’s Governor DeWine has shown even better leadership in my view, and I’ve never thought much of him. But he has shown himself to have real leadership abilities.

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2020 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    I think people praise Whitmer because she has an antagonistic relationship with Trump. End of story. I also think she expresses her antagonism in ways without consideration for the well being of citizens of MI. The people who eat her bullshit up were not negatively affected by her broadstroke policies as they are by and large part of the work from home via lap top college educated class. Even when she opened things up she did not do it in an intelligent way. Major moron. She is doing worse than someone who most people here consider to be a moron (DeSantis) . What does that tell you?

    It is undeniable that the weather seems to plays a major role. It is also undeniable that FL has a more vulnerable population. I am not qualified to pass a judgment on the extent those factors have on the two different populations. I don’t think you are qualified either.

  40. Posted October 21, 2020 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    I agree that Whitmer’s actions were oversteps, and were insensitive to people who actually have to get out and work for a living. I see that blind spot in many academics and other people who live their lives in a white-collar environment. But she was mostly put in the position of having to react by the massive failure of the federal government. All governors were put in that position, though Trump did try to help his allies such as DeSantis, with the little he did do. Like I said, Ohio’s Governor did pretty well in terms of stepping in to leadership where he really shouldn’t have had to, to such a degree. The governors should never have been put in that position, and it was a no-win position. States are not able to contend with national or global emergencies in a vacuum left by federal failure. They are doomed to overstep or under-respond. They don’t have the resources.

    I’ve worked in and around state and federal government for decades, and it is a well understood fact that the federal government failed very miserably and for most people very unexpectedly. Even the Bush Administration seemed to have some competence in dealing with issues facing the nation as a whole. So a lot of people were taken by surprise by the Administration’s dramatic failure.

  41. Posted October 21, 2020 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    The economy in Florida isn’t doing very well either, by the way, even in places where there have been minimal restrictions ordered. It isn’t just state orders that are keeping people from doing their usual shopping and consumer spending in person.

    Sweden has learn that lesson the hard way. Their economy has been significantly damaged, and now they can’t seem to recover as well and as quickly as other countries in Northern Europe have been able to which mobilized more appropriately to the threat.

  42. EOS
    Posted October 21, 2020 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Michigan’s COVID case average for the past 7 days is 1670, the highest yet since the pandemic started. Seems that keeping people from their jobs, destroying businesses, killing grandma and requiring cloth masks hasn’t made any difference.

  43. Anonymous
    Posted October 21, 2020 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see, what happened six weeks ago that might have contributed to this? Could it be that students removed from schools in March are back in school? Hmmmm.

  44. Posted October 21, 2020 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Better therapeutics have been developed. The death rate is coming down as a result. And like you and John Barr Jr. said, EOS, the positive case numbers are inflated by tests which are extraordinarily sensitive. Many of the positive cases are not full-on infections. Many are also among the young folks, among which few will get very sick.

  45. EOS
    Posted October 21, 2020 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Yes, I agree. But nothing our governor has decreed has helped.

  46. Posted October 21, 2020 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    FF doesn’t think that it is ok to praise a woman if you have failed to praise a man first!

  47. Posted October 21, 2020 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    FF, I have never praised Whitmer’s Trumpvirus response. She did the minimum necessary to protect lives and the death cult has done nothing but undercut her and promote the spread of the virus. The shut down was never complete enough crush the virus, only enough to contain it for a while. The decision to open schools was stupid, as U of M stopping in person classes is demonstrating. The lack of social responsibility by the death cult has at least convinced the vast majority of the country to vote against them–which is a good thing.
    The overwhelming majority of us were and still are prepared to hunker down and crush this virus. Whitmer’s leadership on things like unemployment insurance and eviction moratoriums at least gave us a fighting chance. Fifth columnist and traitors like the “Open Michigan Up” should be put on trial for willful endangerment at a minimum. Now the death cult running the Senate is to venal to pass the measures that might help us begin to win against the virus. Right now, thanks to the Leader’s embrace of “herd immunity” we are looking at as many as 2 million dead. I am not part of a “herd” and to be treated as a beast by our rulers is the most insulting thing that has happened to me my life time.
    In Europe where people are citizens and not beast, the state continues to provide incomes to everyone who is in lockdown. They support the small businesses, and as a result while we are being condemned by our Leaders to perpetual recession/depression, their economies will take off. China, (whose Leaders understood the lessons of Chernobyl) crushed the virus, and now its economy is growing at 3% a year again.
    The idiocy here is just overwhelming. There are no magic bullets, only social solidarity and hard work will win–not likely in the good ol USA where every social division is magnified and politized for short term advantage. MAGA

  48. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2020 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    “FF doesn’t think that it is ok to praise a woman if you have failed to praise a man first!”—Cassandra

    But I have never said DeSantis deserves praise for his general response. I have said his protection of seniors was a common sense response—duh! He bragged about his plans to protect seniors in late April/ early May—duh! There are other areas where DeSantis is not so hot but Cassandra is missing the point anyway.

    My point, which Cassandra would be aware of, if she had better reading comprehension, is that it is irrational to praise Whitmer if one thinkS DeSantis had a moronic response— because his numbers are still better than Whitmer’s numbers and FL’s numbers are trending in the right direction whereas MI’s are not.

    I don’t know why someone would make the kind of irrational mistake Cassandra is making… Perhaps Cassandra just wants to lend support to “one of her own”—even if her support means more of her fellow Michiganders suffer/die needlessly?

    It amazes me how blind Cassandra still is to her own bigotry— even after all of these lessons. Her sexist/racist logic might be genetic because it really does seem so ingrained. Her ancestors were probably slave owners. I wouldn’t be surprised if some slave money trickled down to her in the form of inheritance.

  49. Posted October 21, 2020 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    I am obviously the dimmest light bulb on this web site. I am trying to understand the connection between Trump’s Chinese bank accounts (saw that he paid over $187000 in Chinese taxes last year). The ownership of Smithfield Foods (In 2013, shareholders of Smithfield Foods voted to approve a partnership with Shuanghui International Holdings Limited, a private company based in Hong Kong that holds a majority of shares in China’s largest meat processor, Henan Shuanghui Investment & Development Co. Ltd.. ), and Trumps only use of the Defense Production Act. The DPA forced workers back into the meat processing plants, which continue to be virus hot spots.
    He did not use the DPA for any other purpose. I wonder if Trump’s Chinese Bankers ( who might also be the folks he owes $400 million ) told him to keep the plants open, or if it is just him trying to cozy up to them. Inquiring minds want to know.

  50. Posted October 21, 2020 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    I know a few other folks here were interested in Tulsi Gabbard’s failed run for the nomination. Looks like she might be shifting her sights from Hawaii to the mainland.

    https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/10/tulsi-gabbard-is-refocusing-her-military-career-in-california/?fbclid=IwAR1ouG9bSGoAqPljXhYDigZIRRvNZ27eXCpEH91ZoYe7j6usPq2dNUE64cQ

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