In nationally televised shitshow, Donald Trump says Proud Boys should “stand back and stand by” when asked to condemn white supremacists

During last night’s shitshow of a debate, Donald Trump was given multiple opportunities to condemn white supremacy. Instead of doing so, he called on members of the Proud Boys — an organization described by the FBI as a far-right, male-exclusive group group with ties to white nationalism — to “stand by.”

Chris Wallace, as you can see in this video, asks the President, “Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down…” Donald Trump then responds by saying, “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by!” And, from there, he goes on to add that the real problem, as he sees it, is antifascism.

As vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris said last night, it was, “a dog whistle through a bullhorn.”

I’m sure that some of Trump’s supporters will say that when he told the Proud Boys to stand by, he wasn’t actually signaling his approval. The Proud Boys themselves, however, are certainly gloating today. As one prominent member of the organization just wrote on social media, “Trump basically said to go fuck them up! This makes me so happy.”

What’s more, the Proud Boys have taken up the President’s phrase, “Stand Back, Stand By” as a rallying cry, incorporating it into their organization’s logo.

This, while the most egregious instance of a disqualifying statement made by Donald Trump during last night’s debate, was not by any means the only offensive thing that was said. As Ben Rhodes noted last night, what America saw on stage from Donald Trump was, “the logical endpoint of where the Republican Party has been going for a long time – grievance politics, anti-science, conspiracy theorizing, authoritarianism, and indulgence of white supremacy.”

You know what you have to do, America. We have it within out power to end all of this on November 3.

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147 Comments

  1. EOS
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    https://qanon.pub/data/media/27321064eb7f334d83d7c3be059a673efdff29243330e677c803bf194e0132cc.png

    More Democratic campaign tactics

  2. Anonymous
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Chris Christie says that we just misunderstood Donald Trump.

    https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1311285211775328263?s=20

  3. Anonymous
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    EOS is sharing Qanon links now?

  4. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    EOS, Brennan was originally a Bush II appointee. Comey was originally a Bush II appointee. You blame Democrats, when in fact we are continuing to be plagued by the civil war in the Republican Party. It is your party of lowlifes and grifters who regularly engage in illegality.

  5. Jean Henry
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    EOS– We’re all waiting for Trump to walk that statement back. If he misspoke, he needs to say so. I think we all would be relieved.

    He has resisted time and time again making the most basic statement condemning violent white supremacists. How hard is that? What kind of leader can’t bear to upset any of his loyal followers no matter how corrupt.

    Please note, Biden didn’t have any problem disappointing the left. Trump can’t even disappoint violent racists

  6. Elizabeth Warren by proxy
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Donald Trump fans the flames of racism, embraces white supremacy, and employs state violence against Americans exercising their rights. That’s Donald Trump’s America.

  7. John Brown
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Back to stochastic terrorism to distract from his loyalty to pootin. My vote is to hang him for treason.

  8. EOS
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Chris Wallace, as you can see in this video, asks the President, “Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down…” Donald Trump then responds by saying,

    “SURE”

    Why did you omit his initial response?

    And just last week he signed a presidential order to prosecute KKK as a domestic terrorist organization. That speaks louder than words.

    And why can’t Biden condemn Antifa?

  9. EOS
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    I looked at the post again. It does include Trumps initial response. I was wrong.

  10. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Thomas Frank’s latest article for Le Monde. The US Corp. media will not give him space, but the French will
    https://mondediplo.com/2020/10/04usa

  11. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Interesting article on the Assange extradition hearing. Yesterday they got to hear how our “Intelligence Community” partners with private security firms financed by US oligarchs. Kinda like that Q guy who works for Citibank. In the Assange case they utilized a private security firm to break numerous laws, including conspiring to kidnap him. It was that conspiracy that ultimately caused Spanish authorities to arrest the owner of the private security firm.
    Despite HW’s fantasy, the US Governments efforts to criminalize Assange is as bi-partisan as it gets. I suspect JH HW EOS and Lynne all find common cause here.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2020/09/30/live-updates-assange-hearing-day-seventeen-us-intel-spying-on-assange-detailed-in-court-including-plan-to-kidnap-or-poison-him/?fbclid=IwAR1-z_PGwAb9EbUc_08n-Idqi2LUIKncbcRNRvgOr3iY2h8EQDgXJbrT1GU

    Shouldn’t we be looking for things that unite us not divide us–leaving worthless old fools like me aside.

  12. Bob
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Trump knows he’s nearly cooked and he’s going to poison the well on the way out. It’s a shame that America is the well. Get ready to arm yourselves and take to the street when I lose. That was his clear message last night.

  13. Posted September 30, 2020 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    I just hope that there is a big turnout and Trump is defeated by a margin so wide, even his own SCOTUS appointees will be unable to rule in his favor, if it even gets to the courts.

  14. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    A Proud Boy was executed by antifa just for being who he was. That’s just one extremely relevant instance of antifa terrorism out of many.

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Joe is going to pay for lying about Hunter. Has there ever been such a massive bribery case involving the VP’s family? He made millions from Ukrainian, Russian and Chinese sources tagging along with Pop.

  16. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    “And, from there, he goes on to add that the real problem, as he sees it, is antifascism.”

    What a disgusting lie. Antifa is the equivalent of a fascist organization. They use intimidation and violence to try to destroy the USA. That is the essence of ‘antifa’.

  17. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Yes, Anonymous, EOS has joined the Q ranks and has made no secret of it. It’s okay, we have him chipped and are tracking his every move.

    It’s good to have the likes of HW and EOS representing the pro-Trump position. It’s helping drive sane people in the other direction.

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    So you are running interference for bolshevik terrorists who want to turn the USA into the USSR. In the 30’s they weren’t just (eventually; originally they allied with the national socialist party) fighting against Hitler. They wanted all of Germany to be taken over by the USSR and partially succeeded.

  19. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    I’m posting my comments from the EOS tracking center here which we have disguised as a right-to-life office.

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Do you think Q posting it makes it bad or something? I’m trying to understand what you think happens to open-source information any can look up once it is posted by the terrible Q.

  21. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Yeah, HW, tell us more about the Democratic Party being the pro-slavery party. None of us finished elementary school. It’s good that you’re here to bring us along on your journey of discovery.

  22. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Have you found out yet why the indictments aren’t being unsealed? When you do, be sure to share it with us. We all just fell off the turnip truck yesterday along with you.

  23. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    The sneering, jeering iRobert: always deflecting with pointless comments.

  24. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    You’re a crackpot, HW.

    I assume nobody in your real life cares to hear anymore of your lunacy. That’s why you’re here.

  25. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    With Bob and Sad on your side you add ‘leering’.

  26. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Thanks for highlighting my point.

    “The sneering, jeering iRobert: always deflecting with pointless comments.”

    “You’re a crackpot, HW.

    I assume nobody in your real life cares to hear anymore of your lunacy. That’s why you’re here.”

  27. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    It’s cool that EOS has joined you in your crackpottery.

    Please, both of you, make the leap to the real world with your lunacy. Go bananas in public. It is just natural.

  28. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    You should test your crackpottery in the real world. I think you’re ready for the big time.

    Let’s see it, chickenshit.

  29. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    What is crackpot about posting a letter from the Director of National Intelligence?

  30. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Pretty fuckin’ REAL I would say.

  31. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    You aren’t real until you get out and sell this bullshit publicly. You’re a wuss and would never do that. You know you’re full of shit and wouldn’t do well in the real world with you’re lunacy.

  32. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    We all know you’re here because the people around you in the real world don’t want to hear your lunacy.

  33. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    You got off the indictment bullshit because you’re being shown to be a sucker on that. Every day that goes by shows more clearly what a sucker you are.

  34. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Why would factual knowledge need to be sold? I don’t think someone who lives to spew insults online to someone in their own town ought to be talking about someone else being a wuss.

  35. Joe Biden
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Joe Biden: “My message to the Proud Boys and every other white supremacists group is cease and desist. That’s not who we are. That’s not who we are as Americans.”

  36. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    You don’t know what I am “on” or “off” or anything or even what I have said about sealed indictments. I pointed out information others have posted from screenshots of pacer.gov and stated I don’t know if it means anything. Not too bright, iRob.

    It’s the same as when I noted the IHME changed their projection. You said only a moron would believe that. It’s not my “belief” so that doesn’t apply to me but you can’t understand that.

  37. C.
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Someone here mentioned a few moths ago that Hyborian Warlord’s father was a judge. Is there any truth to that? Did he respond?

  38. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    You are on an emotion-only trip still. You think you represent reality and everything else is a crackpot conspiracy. I consider all the information I can find from all sources and spend my time thinking about it without a threat to my ego.

    For all I know the pacer.gov info has been misinterpreted. Q made a post years ago saying “Do you know what 50,000 indictments looks like?” That could be in reference to indictments that weren’t even made yet. Q posts things years in advance that become clear later such as Flynn’s persecution now seeming to be “Done in 30” months for example.

  39. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    I figured everyone knew that by now. Maybe I shouldn’t have let the cat out of the bag by confirming it.

  40. Anonymous
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Asked whether Trump should more forcefully condemn white supremacists, Senator Thune says: “In his mind he did.”

  41. John Boute
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    As a former Commander and Army Officer, last night I heard 45 issue a “warning order “ to the Proud Boys and White Supremacists terrorist in this nation .An Army Warning order is “a preliminary notice of an order or action which is to follow.” It is issued by the commander at the outset of receipt of an order from higher. The warning order is issued prior to beginning the planning process in order to allow subordinate leaders and units to maximize their preparation time. What’s going on in our country?

  42. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    It’s a smear just to ask him to do that. Conflating militias with white supremacists is another smear. Many (I would venture to say most) militias believe in protecting the rights of all Americans.

  43. C.
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Who is your father, Hyborian Warlord? Does he currently sit on the bench?

  44. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Maybe we should run HW for judge.

  45. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    I have given enough information about that, C. Who are you? What does C. stand for?

  46. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    iRobert, Michigan requires those running for judge already be an officer of the court. HW has not impressed me as some one who not only finished law school, but actually was admitted to practice law.
    Relying upon anonymous sources is usually frowned upon. Ask everyone here who “believes” in Russiagate, how reliable all those unnamed sources turned out.
    Now Q that is different, he is a 21st. century Nostradamus, and only initiates such as HW are able to discern what Q is talking about. It is just as reliable as those prophecies from 16th century. In fact I predict that scholars will still be sorting through the Q statements hundreds of years from now, as HW states Q posts about things far into the future

  47. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    It’s going how Q said right now with the “declas” of Russiagate in full swing. At this very moment Comey is having to answer under oath why he allowed bogus information to be used to spy on Donald Trump. When I said years ago this would happen it was met with the same kind of abuse you are still dishing out.

  48. Cory
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Seriously people, you can only hold one of three views.

    One: You love truth, and seek truth, and are willing to accept truth even when it reveals you were previously wrong about something.
    Two: You don’t care about truth, you are ruled by passions like the sith, and want whatever it is that you believe to be truth so bad that you refuse to see anything else.
    Three: 1+2= You believe a lie, and thinking it’s truth, have fully committed to defending it.

    It’s time to breakup with you’re cheating spouse that you’ve blinded yourself from seeing the obvious signs that they are in fact, unfaithful.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/

    https://youtu.be/PYrmF5OMi0Q

    https://youtu.be/I9Sc_sxBkd4

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Same letter from DNI Ratcliffe as posted by Q and posted by EOS here.

    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/09-29-20_Letter%20to%20Sen.%20Graham_Declassification%20of%20FBI's%20Crossfire%20Hurricane%20Investigations_20-00912_U_SIGNED-FINAL.pdf

    • In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians’ hacking of the Democratic National Committee. The IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.

    • According to his handwritten notes, former Central Intelligence Agency Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the “alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.”

    • On 07 September 2016, U.S. intelligence officials forwarded an investigative referral to FBI Director James Corney and Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok regarding “U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s approval of a plan concerning U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private mail server.

  50. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Another 750 Americans were killed by Trumpvirus yesterday. Another 750 today, another 750 tomorrow. All HW can say is Russsiagate, Nothing is new here, but another 750 dead today, tomorrow and everyday into the forseeable future–quick look over there the Republican Party civil war is what is really important.

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie the Dim Propagandist. It is you who has nothing to say about the scientific problems I highlighted that belie the inane “trumpvirus deathkount” chant you and the establishment do every day.

  52. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    The instapolls had Biden winning the debate by about 2 to 1. Even a good number of Trump supporters felt Trump was “beat.” We know our Juggalos here wouldn’t be among them.

  53. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    HW be sure to tell these grieving parents that there Ain’t no virus here.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/30/appalachian-state-student-dies-from-coronavirus-complications-.html

  54. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    That’s Doctor HW to you, Wobblie. He’s the world’s foremost authority.

  55. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    HW where is your explanation for the 300000 excess deaths we are experiencing. You know as much about science as you do the law. I heard your leader last night acknowledge 200000 deaths. He believes he could have killed 2 million of us. Did you even watch the debate? What is up with Trump? You and Q clearly are much smarter than the dimwit you support. I’ll explain how PCR test and false positives work, once you explain the mystery deaths afflicting our country. I mean the scientist obviously don’t have a clue. The poor student that died at Appalachian state–what killed him. You should not keep your brilliance hidden from us, was he an actor? Is pretending that you are dead a growth occupation? I think I am qualified do I apply through you? Most importantly, does it pay well? Oh, by the way, remember it is all about Russiagate. And of course it is all of China’s fault.

  56. Trump
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    I’m smart.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KMtfAySJWJo

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    There have been 111% of expected deaths since 2/1/2020. Two weeks were as high as as 142%. A lack of medical care for everything else could result in an 11% increase in deaths.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

  58. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    And on what basis do you make this assertion, “A lack of medical care for everything else could result in an 11% increase in deaths.” Make shit up so you can continue to live in your made up reality. Since there was no virus, the hospitals should have been empty. All those videos of health care workers talking about ICU’s being full must have been more crises actors.
    I think Trumps position that, “I could have made it even worse” is much more believable. If I was his supporter, that is what I would be pushing. “I could have killed 2 million of you, thank me for only killing –well alright it be probably be well over a half million by the time I am driven from office–but I could have made it far worse.” Is a much more convincing and honest argument.

  59. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Patients were forced to forego treatment because of the pandemic, fool. No doubt people died who did not get the care they needed because of covid-RELATED deaths based on the PCR test procedure you were going to tell me about.

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    You tell me what the fuck is up with our dem governor you voted for and other dems forcing nursing homes to take sick people and thousands of patients dying there? That is fucked up. They are under investigation you know.

  61. EOS
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Q told us about the criminal collusion of Brennan, Comey, and HRC years ago. How much time and how many millions of dollars were wasted since then. They impeached a president to try and cover their lies. How much longer do we have to wait for the indictments?

  62. Nobody
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Question for iRobert –

    I am looking at polling numbers to figure out where to make hundred dollar donations to democrats running for senate seats on behalf of my Trump loving family members. Would like your thoughts on which campaigns to make those donations. If they send “Thank you for your donation” cards, that gets them ranked higher for my consideration.

    Here is what I have gathered so far:

    Michigan, Montana, Mississippi, Kansas, South Carolina, and Alaska are very close… with Michigan the only one that has a democrat incumbent. Potential loss of one seat / potential gain of 4 seats.

    Alabama’s Doug Jones looks like he is going to lose to the republican. Net loss of one seat.

    West Virginia, North Carolina, Maine, Iowa, Georgia, Colorado, and Arizona all look like they are going to flip to a democrat. Net gain of six seats.

  63. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Your made up explanation is no explanation. PCR testing you want to have 0 false negatives. To ensure that you are not telling people they do not have the virus when they do, you do testing at extremely low levels of viral load. Obviously if you test positive, under a well organized and financed response, positive results would be followed up with a 2nd. confirmatory test. Since we have no well organized or financed response, we have taken the next best approach. Telling everyone who test positive to self-quarantine is simply the best we can do given the total failures of the administration to provided sufficient resources for testing and follow-up.

    EOS, why don’t you ask Barr. We are being told nothing new. This news, like the release of Trump’s tax returns are just election theater.
    You see how failures at the top, breed issues all through the testing regime. Trump is directly complicit in our testing and tracking regime failure. Of course positive test do not create bodies. I am glad you recognize the reality that we have already had nearly 300000 excess deaths. All of these deaths are directly attributable to the Trump admin. total failure. If he had not lied to us, (as the Woodward book demonstrates), had not hamstrung competent people in the Admin., and had supported an effective lock down in March and April that could have CRUSHED the virus before it spread uncontrollably, people would remember Trump as a savior. People will only remember him now for being an idiot and a fool, who only fools and grifters follow.
    A year from now when we are still losing 750 people a day, maybe you will finally realize how debilitating this is for our society and what a fool you were for following him

  64. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    “PCR testing you want to have 0 false negatives. To ensure that you are not telling people they do not have the virus when they do, you do testing at extremely low levels of viral load. Obviously if you test positive, under a well organized and financed response, positive results would be followed up with a 2nd. confirmatory test. Since we have no well organized or financed response, we have taken the next best approach. Telling everyone who test positive to self-quarantine is simply the best we can do given the total failures of the administration to provided sufficient resources for testing and follow-up.”

    They say the level in a 40x or 37x test could never do anything therefore all positives are suspect. If they never use a proper cycle threshold it is worthless. Don’t tell me it is because of Trump. That is ridiculous. He might be letting them dig their own grave with this oversampling garbage but that would be it.

  65. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Some of you might remember me pointing out that we would plateau at a higher level than the spring spike, and that we would then head up from that higher plateau level to yet an even higher level of infections. That would be followed by a the level of death and infections continuing to rise all through the winter. The MSM has finally begun warning of that very thing beginning to occur.
    https://time.com/5893916/covid-19-coronavirus-third-wave/?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email&fbclid=IwAR31a6GQsvH9-xPTT700GiXHjX2DZgY8L4uem5DbMQSMow9R3MYxkXqG_ec

  66. stupid hick
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Nobody, be careful about making political donations in someone else’s name. It has to do with campaign contribution laws. Google “straw donor” for more information.

  67. Dirtgrain
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Trump is now saying that he doesn’t know who the Proud Boys are, and he implied that he meant they should stay out of the way of the police and let the police do their jobs: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-tries-to-clean-up-bizarre-debate-remarks-i-dont-know-who-the-proud-boys-are/

    It is a pathetic attempt to undo what he said about the Proud Boys last night. Does that jibe with the comments posted here?

  68. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    HW of course it is Trumps fault. He specifically called for the ending of lockdowns. He ordered his sycophants in Florida and Texas to lift restrictions. He has politicized and mobilized his followers to violate common sense public health restrictions. At least EOS was smart enough to hunker down and ignore the Leaders instructions. Thousands of others are not as bright as EOS. In fact, I recall you also stated at one point that you were following common sense practices. Was it you or FF who attacked Lynne for traveling early in the pandemic. Now because of Trump and his followers stupidity or more likely venality and a misplaced political calculus, there is no where in the country that is safe.
    If you try to travel internationally you realize that no body wants an American to come to their countries. If they let you in, you get automatically quarantined. . You live in a fantasy world. Some of us live in the real world, and recognize bull shit when we see it.

  69. stupid hick
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    EOS, Q is nonsense and I urge you to also be skeptical of anything you get from Facebook or Twitter.

  70. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    What a wall of garbage.

  71. wobblie
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    There will likely be continuing issues with a vaccine making one being available for universal distribution for at least another year.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/moderna-ceo-coronavirus-vaccine-wont-be-ready-until-spring-2021/?ftag=CNM-00-10aac3a

  72. Posted September 30, 2020 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    I urge HW and EOS to continue following Q. I also urge FF to join them. Don’t be cowards by limiting your Q activism to just annoying us here. Go fully public. Prove you’re not just cowardly crackpots and spread the “great awakening” to your families, friends, associates, and people in your neighborhood and at work.

    If Trump doesn’t appear to be winning the election, it’s because it’s rigged, so go bananas. We need you to do your patriotic Q duty and do everything you can think of to bring about the “great awakening.” Please understand that this may require you putting yourselves in harms way. Where one crackpot goes, go all crackpots!

  73. Posted September 30, 2020 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    …and we’ll know, because we’ve installed chips in each one of you and are tracking your ever move.

  74. Anonymous
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    It is sad wanting this happen to EOS. I don’t mean this as a joke. I mean it sincerely. It’s sad to watch this happen to someone. No one deserves this.

    “Q told us about the criminal collusion of Brennan, Comey, and HRC years ago. How much time and how many millions of dollars were wasted since then. They impeached a president to try and cover their lies. How much longer do we have to wait for the indictments?”

  75. Posted September 30, 2020 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Nobody,

    Encourage your relatives to make huge contributions to the Trump campaign. Make it clear to them that if Trump loses it is because they didn’t give enough money. So it’s best to give everything they have. They don’t need to worry, Trump will bring them great prosperity. He’s the greatest president that has ever been, and their prosperity is his one any only goal. This is how he makes America great!

    Nobody, pay some college kid to call, text and email your relatives constantly explaining all this. Make sure they understand this is all part of the “great awakening.”

    In the mean time form a political action committee to make the donations to the campaigns you recognize as close. You don’t need to identify yourself in the constant communications from your PAC to your relatives telling them about all the contributions that are being made in tribute to them.

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    White supremacy according to you

    https://twitter.com/dowop_robinson/status/1311364064589869058

  77. Posted September 30, 2020 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Have you joined up yet, HW? Do you have your flack vest and helmet? You need to h e these things for tre day of action. The storm is coming.

  78. Posted September 30, 2020 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Bring the storm, HW. Get to work.

  79. Q no longer anonymous
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    The Warlord’s father is not a judge. His father is John Barr, Ypsilanti’s city attorney.

  80. Anonymous
    Posted September 30, 2020 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    How certain are you of that?

  81. Anonymous
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 4:52 am | Permalink

    I’m filling out my ballot now. What can people here tell me about Mark Nelson? What are his beliefs? Should Hillary and Obama be locked up?

  82. wobblie
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    To the Russiagate dead enders (yes I am speaking to you JB). It has been obvious to some of us from the beginning where this all started. Notice the date on this article.

    http://patricklawrence.us/shades-cold-war-dnc-fabricated-russian-hacker-conspiracy-deflect-blame-email-scandal/

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    A conspiracy theory is only a dead end if the theorists is searching for the truth. The Trump/Russia hoax continues to help the Dems achieve their ends. You just need to be some sort of combination of dumb and liar in order to help achieve the ends for the Dems via Trump/Russia.

    Every day that passes, when their is a failure to come clean, must be incredibly embarrassing for the ColuMbo community.

  84. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Are you going to do your duty and be a poll watcher for Trump, FF?

  85. wobblie
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Researchers at Cornell University who analyzed 38 million articles about the pandemic in English-language media around the world found that mentions of Trump made up nearly 38 percent of the overall “misinformation conversation,” making the president the largest single source of falsehoods about the pandemic,

    We know this to be true, we just have to look at the flailing away of HW EOS and FF over the virus. They know Trump is all BS, but like JB and his infantile fixation on Russiagate, their HATE, is much more important than logic. It is obvious facts do not matter to either the Trumpites or the Russiagaters all is simple ammunition to be used to manipulate us. Meanwhile the country is ungovernable, a pandemic is devastating our economy and the level of discourse is about at a fourth grade level.

    I suppose trying to be rational you could ask, which is worse 1)a fake Russiagate scandal to distract from the corruption at the DNC, or 2) Spreading misinformation “so I don’t cause a panic” while being to incompetent to have a testing/tracking regime that would actually protect us. One makes a mockery of our democracy, the other requires we sacrifice grandma and grandpa. And all we have are the choices between “lesser evils”. How truly pathetic (one of the more dominant attitudes foreigners have of us).

  86. wobblie
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Just so we remember the BS misinformation Trump has constantly spread.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2771265

  87. Anonymous
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    HW’s father is John Barr? If so, does this mean that the taxpayers of Ypsilanti are subsidizing his trolling on this site?

    http://www.barrlawfirm.com/jmb/

  88. Anonymous
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Essentially, yes, Anonymous.

  89. EOS
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    38% of the misinformation may mention Trump, but 95% of those mentions are attempts to blame Trump for a worldwide pandemic caused an accidental/purposeful release of a laboratory modified organism created with NIH funding.

  90. EOS
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Your JAMA reference is irrelevant. HCQ doesn’t prevent a COVID infection, but it can greatly reduce the severity and the duration of infection when taken early in the course of disease.

  91. wobblie
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Once again the factless EOS rushes into the fray. Show some bon a fid evidence of your claim. Lots of people much smarter than you and me have been doing studies on its effectiveness as a treatment, preventative, and as a palliative. Please share a study supporting your assertion. Sounds to me you are taking lessons from the DNC. Keep telling a lie often enough, and it will confuse people view of reality at a minimum.
    All you can point to is stories people tell. Based on as much reality as Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate and the Russian hack of the DNC.
    This is the level of political discourse our nation has sunk too—My made up bull shit is better than your made up bull shit.
    Clearly this country is incapable of addressing the real undeniable problems confronting us. Better to pretend climate change is not happening, and if it is, we can’t do anything about it anyway. Better to pretend that our continuous wars for control of natural resources and markets are “humanitarian” than deal with the reality of our endless wars. Better to promote the stock market as an economic indicator than the 40 million people who are going to be evicted come January.
    But remember my bullshit lies are so much more creative than your bullshit lies.

  92. EOS
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    I’ve already shared multiple peer-reviews studies of HCQ on this site. Most of the journal articles that show the opposite, that HCQ is not an effective treatment, used patients who were already seriously infected and in ICUs. Or like the article you posted, that prove HCQ does not prevent infection.

    When the politicians claim that a FDA approved drug, that has been safely used for over 50 years in chronic patients, is now dangerous to take for COVID, but still safe for other diseases, you should be discerning.

    They now have better therapeutics than HCQ, and I would encourage anyone who might get infected to find a doctor who uses the most effective treatments early. But don’t base your care on political opinions.

  93. Posted October 1, 2020 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    FF, just because YOU can’t think well and are fully inside this cult mindthink, it doesn’t change the truth that Russia meddled in our election in 2016. It doesn’t change the truth that there are very good reasons to suspect Trump’s involvement either. but keep trying.

  94. wobblie
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    EOS, please share any studies that confirm the results of previous studies–that is how science works.
    Meanwhile the bi-partisan persecution of Assange continues. No one seems particularly worried about the consequences. Our rulers though are very interested in this case succeeding. By the time we have another “election” we can forget about anything but -my bullshit lies are better than your bullshit lies.

    By the way HCQ has always had significant side effects, which is why it is only used in “chronic” patents. Using the drug was always a last resort because nothing seemed to be effective. WE now have more knowledge. The President touting HCQ was all part of his attempts to minimize the virus and force workers back to work. Just like his order forcing meat packer back to work. He knows it is the economy stupid.
    My bullshit lies are better than your bullshit lies that is the level of discourse. Birthergate, Russiagate, Ukrainegate. Does anyone notice how no one is ever held accountable?

  95. wobblie
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    HW and Lynne two sides of the same coin. I hope the economy does not fall completely off a cliff before I can get my house sold.

  96. wobblie
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Neglecting my Putin puppet duties. Here is one of my favorite bands doing an iphone concert from St. Petersburg.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds9ocNiy8ZI

    They are so evil.

  97. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    FF,

    No big flags. No poll watching. I’m starting to get the impression you aren’t doing your part to ensure Trump wins. You seem low-enthusiasm. Low energy.

  98. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Our Michigan Secretary is State I’m on ABC in a few minutes. She will be sharing details regarding how the vote is being kept secure. EOS, HW and FF could learn things from watching it. But they won’t, because they don’t want to let go of their bullshit fantasies. Hold on tight to your dreams, Juggalos.

  99. EOS
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Again, for Wobblie

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32458969/

  100. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Our Michigan Secretary of State is on ABC in a few minutes. She will be sharing details regarding how the vote is being kept secure. EOS, HW and FF could learn things from watching it. But they won’t, because they don’t want to let go of their bullshit fantasies. Hold on tight to your dreams, Juggalos.

  101. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    The Michigan Secretary of State is asking mail-I’m voters to send in their ballots at least two weeks before Election Day to make sure they get in on time. Also she is asking people to report any harassment of voters to her office and/or the State Attorney General’s office.

  102. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    I sure hope HW, EOS and FF sign up as poll watchers for Trump. They need to be out there making sure the evil Democrats can’t commit all kinds of voter fraud like Trump and HW talk about with great expertise.

  103. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Cassandra,

    In my opinion there are only 3 options. To deny the realities you need to be either dumb, a liar, or some combination of the two. Prove me wrong. It will require that you think.

    You are the conspiracy theorist. Duh. You merely have followed the tales of propagandists. Nothing I am saying is even controversial. Half of the world is laughing at the depth of your ignorance and gullibility.

    #tool

  104. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    (More) strong evidence against your narrative

    https://twitter.com/brian_schnee/status/1311488168026284032

  105. EOS
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Chronic means long term and is no indication of the severity of an illness. You can have chronic bad breath that wouldn’t lead you to take a drug if the last resort.

    Lots of drugs are safe to use for a short term, but cause problems after chronic use. Motrin can cause ulcers, and Tylenol abuse can lead to liver damage. But I don’t know if a single drug that is safe for long term use but unsafe for short durations.

  106. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Mark, do you endorse candidates in local races?

  107. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Mark,

    I’m doing a Q-anon phone bank to voters in Ypsilanti. Do you want to help?

  108. EOS
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    It’s not needed Robert. Those who read Q do their own research.

  109. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    We’re finding most registered Republicans actually don’t know about it. So we’re doing a great service to those that were in the dark. We are bringing the storm.

  110. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    I can send a copy of our script and a list of registered Republicans in a couple precincts if you’d like to help out, EOS.

    I hope you’re enthusiasm is higher than FF’s. You have some big flags, I assume.

  111. Posted October 1, 2020 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    All I know is that the Mueller report found that Russia *did* meddle in the 2016 election and we also know who benefitted from it, i.e. Trump. We know that Trump has a lot of debts and maybe he owes Russians a lot of money? We know that he has been accused of rape. We know he brags about raping women. We know that he doesn’t think women should have the same rights as men. We know that his bad COVID response cost thousands of lives and we know that he knew it was as dangerous as it is back when he was deciding not to do much about it. We know that he has undone the hard work of environmentalists in terms of our emissions. He hasn’t helped with disasters much beyond throwing paper towel at folks in PR. He takes tragedies like the fires in California and blames them on liberals in an attempt to use people’s pain as a way to re-election. Just last night he told a white supremisist group to “stand by” WTF??? We know that wobblie and FF both helped get this man into office. Great going guys. Fuck you.

  112. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    That’s the old broken narrative. Yesterday Comey had to lie about the new information from the Director of National Intelligence that Brennan briefed Obama on Russian intelligence that the operation to tie Trump to Russia was started by Hillary Clinton. She paid Steele to use an individual known by US intelligence to be a Russian spy. It’s what I said all along. Boom.

  113. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Why is everything you say a lie? I have shown strong evidence against everything you just said, Lynne. You have no answers, only a piggish attitude. Pigs don’t have reason.

  114. Jean Henry
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    ” To deny the realities you need to be either dumb, a liar, or some combination of the two.” –FF

    My dad always told me that only that arguments should be made with statements of fact not adjectives.

    Don’t you get tired of calling every one who disagrees with you a liar? Look for one second at the man you support as president of the US. Why would anyone take you seriously when you accuse them of lying?

  115. Posted October 1, 2020 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    G.O.P. Alarmed by Trump’s Comments on Extremist Group, Fearing a Drag on the Party

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/us/politics/trump-debate-white-supremacy.html

    (From the New York Times)

  116. Gary Clark
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Citywatch here. I haven’t posted in quite some time, but I have not heard anyone talking about how Trump is USING the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys and other white supremacist groups to keep him out of jail. If Trump was a private citizen he would be prosecuted for the many crimes he has committed, but he has some immunity as President. He is willing to use these groups as his minions to prevent legal voting, keep violence in the streets so he can say we need a law and order president, and would even start a civil war to protect his own interests while he uses these groups as fools to do his bidding. The Boogaloo Boys have starting a civil war as one of their goals! These militias should be furious that he thinks so little of them that he would use them in this way along with all those MAGA folks who he only cares about as long as they serve his private ego and causes. He is making fools of them in the purest sense of the word. The latest is to send them to the polls to menace voters or to keep them from voting at all. All Biden voters will have to wear MAGA hats to be safe at the polls! Wise up Trump voters. He doesn’t care about you or what you want and he only means what he says if it keeps him out of jail.

  117. Posted October 1, 2020 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of lying…

    Why do you think it’s alright for Trump to lie about ballots being found in a river, FF? Why do you ignore so many lies?

    From the Independent:

    White House can’t identify mystery river where Trump claims ballots were dumped

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/kayleigh-mcenany-white-house-press-sec-ballot-river-b743232.html

  118. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Jean,

    Cases have been made. Look at the totality of what has been said spanning years. I was just now making a summarizing statement of opinion which should not be considered a stand in for an argument. Duh.

    Even when we take you by your baby hand and walk you through the facts you have not shown an ability to understand…My sincere hope is that shame might motivate some of you wake up to certain realities.

  119. Jean Henry
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    FF an ad hominem attack is not a ‘summation of an argument.’ It’s where losing arguments go to die. A mark of BS. Maybe HW’s city attorney daddy can explain why your ‘summation’ could not be used in court. HW has been outed and it’s a sadder story than even I had imagined. Yikes.

  120. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    You are right Jean. “Summarizing” was not the right word. I was not presenting an argument. I have already done that over the course of years. I was offering an general opinion. Pick the term which you think best fits.

  121. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 1, 2020 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Obama was advised of intelligence that Hillary Clinton came up with the idea to smear Donald Trump with Russian collusion. There is a mountain of bullshit you have said about that in the past, much of it personally offensive to me and others. Now it is going the way I said all along. You are in trouble, Jean. You will hail to the Slayer of Unreason on your knees.

  122. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 4:37 am | Permalink

    Trump has tested positive for COVID-19

  123. Jean Henry
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Yeah, HW, that’s never going to happen and you know it. And not because I don’t keep my word. I guess some piece of me had hopes that your troll-ness and unrelenting anger and externalization of blame here had not infected the rest of your life and this was just some kind of outlet. But now we know it’s part of a larger pattern. I hope you seek treatment.

    You are a fountain of unreason not the slayer of it. Good luck.

  124. Jean Henry
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    I’m relieved that you have neither wife nor daughter though. Thank goodness.

  125. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    You can’t even understand what a troll is. I am sincere. How is a psychotic freak like you going to accuse someone who spanks you with reason of anger?

  126. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    This did in fact happen. It has been declassified. You are the troll, the liar and the psychotic freak.

    Obama was advised of intelligence that Hillary Clinton came up with the idea to smear Donald Trump with Russian collusion.

  127. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    I always assumed “Mrs. Warlord” was his right hand.

  128. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    You are one of those always preoccupied with thoughts of my dick.

  129. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    Don’t fuck with me or I’ll unleash my white privilege on you with all the force of my dad’s office!

  130. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Strange, because I’ve never mentioned it. Still haven’t.

    Does your dad also follow Q?

  131. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    You leave my father out of it!

  132. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    My Qanon phone-banking is going well. I’ve been able to educate most of the Republicans I’ve spoken with about the great awakening and the coming storm.

  133. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    It would be good to get the City Attorney’s take on Q-anon. Has he been asked about it?

  134. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    You should organize a protest at City Hall.

  135. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    I have nothing to protest, and I don’t organize protests. I assume the City Attorney is on board with our fight against the global conspiracy.

  136. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    I’m also too busy with my the phone-banking for Q.

  137. Jean Henry
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    HW– It’s your sincerity that concerns me. It means you are everything you accuse others of being, which we all kind of knew, but it’s a matter of degrees. Your inability to discern reality is not just a surface affectation. Your insecurity and incapacity to function are bone deep. And not just expressed here but it seems in every aspect of your life. If I was FF I would call you out on all your lies about your marital and parental status, but I’m just very relieved that everything you said was untrue. You are very much like the leader you adore so. I guess your adoration makes sense. But you are not the leader of the free world, so really not any risk at all. Unless you lead any scout troops. If so, I hope someone alerts them to your activities here. I would never want my kids or any kids under your care. Funny that you would be such a big booster given your concern about childhood sexual abuse.

  138. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Another wall of garbage. Try saying something real for once in your life, Jean.

  139. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    You’re needed in the current thread, Doctor.

  140. Anonymous
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Erane Washington is running for 14B district judge.

    She’s a graduate of the University of Michigan Law School, and is endorsed by Chief Justice of the Michigan Supreme Court, Bridget Mary McCormack.

    http://www.eraneforjudge.com

  141. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Jean,

    This is your niche. Do your thing! Besides I only care what JBro has to say about any of this. I am sure he has some insights. LOL.

  142. Jean Henry
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    No idea what you are talking about FF/

  143. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    I know. It’s ok ;)

  144. Jean Henry
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Interestingly enough, about the time I discussed poor HW being outed, some troll mass subscribed my freely available email account to over a hundred newsletters mostly foreign. These incidents may or may not be related. It takes about 2 minutes to report all as spam so whatever… Pathetic.

  145. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Was it something HW said which revealed his itentity?

  146. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    I don’t see why you’d be so mad, HW, if you said something to reveal your identity.

  147. iRobert
    Posted October 2, 2020 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    If you revealed your identity, you can’t be mad toward anyone else for that. It’s your own doing.

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