The psychotic Republican death cult of Donald Trump to “liberate” us out of existence

On June 6, 1944, 2,400 American servicemen died storming Omaha Beach in Normandy. Yesterday, 2,535 Americans died from COVID-19. And, tomorrow, it will almost surely be more. In spite of this, however, we’re still not doing even the most basic testing. It’s been almost exactly three months since we confirmed our first case here in the United States, and we’re still woefully behind where we need to be. Here in Michigan, only 102,366 people have been tested, out of a population of 9.987 million. That’s 10,280 out of every 1 million, or 1.028%. Instead of focusing on things like testing, however, our President is calling for people to revolt against their state governments in places like Michigan, where governors have instituted shelter-in-place orders in order to slow the progression of the virus.

We are losing more people every day than we lost on Omaha Beach on D-Day, and the President of the United States is encouraging the American people, not to stay in and help slow the spread of the disease, but to rebel against the state governments trying to protect them. It’s absolute, fucking madness. But this is where we are today in the United States of America. We have a president who dismantled the pandemic response team in the NSC, shut down the program dedicated to the early identification of zoonotic diseases around the world, and then thoroughly botched the rollout of COVID-19 testing in the United States, and yet Republicans are up in arms today about how much ice cream Nancy Pelosi has in her freezer. And Dr. Oz is on Fox News talking about how reopening America’s schools “may only cost us 2 to 3%, in terms of total mortality“. And we have people with guns outside the capitol in Lansing demanding that we do it. And Donald Trump is fucking encouraging them, saying that we need to “liberate” those states where governors are listening to public health professionals and putting laws in place to enforce social distancing.

It’s worth noting that this call for “liberation” came less than 24 hours after Donald Trump announced that it would be up to the governors of the United States as to when they reopened their states, reversing his earlier position that he alone had total authority to make that call. “You’re going to call your own shots,” he said to the governors of the United States, adding, “You are all very capable people, I think in all cases, very capable people.”

But, yesterday, he went right back to the short-sighted, dangerous rhetoric that brought thousands of protesters to Lansing a few days ago… Here, for those of you who haven’t seen it yet, is footage from Minnesota yesterday, where Trump supporters gathered without masks outside the home of the state’s governor.

Again — and I think I need to say this again for young readers of this site who may not realize how unusual all of this is — in a sane world, the President of the United States, if confronted by highly contagious, extremely deadly disease like COVID-19, would not be encouraging people to “liberate” their states. He would, like the leader of every other country in the world, be encouraging people to stay calm, listen to public health officials, and do what they can to help drive down the infection rate of the virus. And, if he were to express any anger, it wouldn’t be directed outwardly toward members of Congress for their elitist ice cream choices, but inwardly at his own people who have failed miserably to give us the kind of testing we’d need to reopen society responsibly.

But it’s much easier to sow chaos and discord… to point at Nancy Pelosi’s freezer full of ice cream, and to encourage people to take to the streets in protest of the bad, pro-science Democrats who are stopping all of us from watching football and going out to the bar. Donald Trump doesn’t give a fuck that, by doing so, he’s threatening to roll back the hard-won progress we’ve made thus far to flatten the curve of COVID-19 in this country. He doesn’t care because he only cares about what helps him today, in this moment. And, right now, all that matters is keeping the attention off of himself, and his innumerable failures… failures that are killing over 2,000 American citizens a day. And he’s able to do this because, through years of lying, scapegoating, and demonization their political foes, the Republican Party had created a population of Americans that were conditioned for exploitation. What we’re living through right now isn’t just the result of our having elected a horribly corrupt, failed businessman and reality television personality. It took decades to get us to this place, decades of lying, and laying the groundwork for Donald Trump and his family of grifters. The Republicans not only only gave Donald Trump their party, but they handed him an army of individuals that was ripe for exploitation. And now, because of this, a lot of us are going to die. We’re going to die because there is no more objective truth it America, and because Donald Trump has no qualms about using that fact to his political advantage, even if it means mass graves.

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135 Comments

  1. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Has FF heard about Pelosi’s ice cream? We should get a good essay from him on that important topic.

  2. John Brown
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Trump’s execution for treason will get the highest ratings ever. He seems set on making it happen.

    Keep your powder dry anti fascist Patriots of Michigan. Don’t play into the escalation game while he still has a sliver of a claim of legitimacy. If he cancels the election or fails to vacate, then be ready for an actual liberating of ourselves from him and his fascist pig supporters.

  3. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    I’m sorry, JB. I’ve joined the liberators! I’m locked and loaded, and suited up in my red white and blue clown costume, awaiting further (and specific) orders from our tweeter-in-chief. FF, HW and EOS, This is our moment, gentlemen. Time to show our metal! Let’s do this!

  4. Jean Henry
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Yes, ‘nuanced and proportional.’ Right, FF?

    Thank goodness the MI GOP also passed a law preventing the seizure of firearms during this state of emergency.
    That’s what I call a ‘nuanced and proportional’ response.

  5. Jean Henry
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    My covid wardrobe of robes, tunics, loose pants and sandals or sneakers, plus long scarf is looking seriously cult-like. I was wondering why.

  6. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Aloha, I ve commented in the past about how I am one of the walking dead. We are confronted with a highly contagious and lethal respiratory infection with no effective treatment, cure or vaccine.
    By the way there are 7 known corona viruses that infect people and we have no effective cures or vaccines for any of them. There is also no evidence that what ever immunity experiencing the virus confers is long lasting.
    The Republicans gave us Rick “ the killer” Snyder. Trump is at least as much a sociopath. They want us to believe we will develop “herd immunity”. The common cold is a coronavirus. Teapublicans politicians must be buried at every level before they turn the rest of you into walking dead as well.

  7. Posted April 18, 2020 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    I’m sorry if I missed it before, Bet HW That McCabe, but are you saying that you’ve been diagnosed with COVID-19? Sorry to hear it, if that’s the case. Best of luck. My thoughts will be with you… Please keep us posted, OK?

  8. We Are All Going To Die
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Yesterday Florida had its highest number of new COVID-19 cases. Today the Republican governor reopened the beaches.

  9. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    I’m confused does Jean Henry advocate for a non- nuanced and non-proportional response? Genius.

    I had a conversation the other day with a guy who has new construction projects going. We talked about the virus. His argument was that he believed that he could complete his projects while easily maintaining social distance. He said there would be a drop in efficiency. His number one point was he thinks it could help him stay in business **AND** because it would help keep several people off of unemployment. The idiots on the left who are pulling paychecks from a University for an example do not have a corner on the “we are in this together” attitude. The business owner said, I am paraphrasing: “The more people I can keep off of unemployment with safe practices the better it is for all of the people in industries where social distancing is not possible—BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER!”

    I contend that the sentiment expressed is not uncommon.

    The hateful idiots have been given their narratives though and they are running with that shit. The bigot brains will be exposed and slowly die out from chronic embarrassment.

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Are there undesirable consequences of shutting down the economy?

  11. Sad
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Are there desirable consequences of shutting down the economy?

    It’s not really shut down.

    It’s just downsized. Good for the environment.

  12. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    With sufficient testing we could easily be reopening businesses. But your tweeter-in-chief can’t seem to figure out how to get that done. He’s done enough, he says.

    It was China’s responsibility to protect and prepare America. I can’t believe they failed in that responsibility.

  13. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    On Inauguration Day in 2017, maybe we should have had the Chinese government put their hand on a bible and swear to their responsibilities to America.

  14. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    I’ve got some great ideas as to how we can get the tens of millions of tests we need. FF and HW, which do you think would do the trick, a bike sale or a car wash? I could have gone far on the Apprentice.

  15. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    I meant bake sale. But bike sale might be another great idea. We’ll have people donate their unused bikes. Come on FF, I’m brainstorming here. Help me out.

  16. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    iRobert,

    When this all started I thought testing on the backend would a way out. I am no longer sure but I am also pretty uneducated about this stuff. Doesn’t seem like there could be unintended consequences of testing when it is not completely reliable? Harder to police. Might be impractical. Hard to say. However, it seems obvious that pretending testing is easy magic solution seems high questionable…..

  17. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    I am in the middle of an art project can somebody from the MM.com creative class explain to me how to set my camera up to get shadows like those around :18 seconds of this video?

    https://www.sctimes.com/story/news/2020/04/17/liberate-minnesota-stay-at-home-order-coronavirus-protest/5154645002/

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Has the President said something about China that is untrue?

  19. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Baynard claimed we would need ten billion ventilators or whatever the number was. Sounds like the number we have has been plenty though. Fear mongering blogger?

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Official projection down again to 60,000. Damn, what happened? It ran right out of steam.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

  21. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Several points:

    – Mitigation efforts have been highly successful and reduced the dramatic increase in need for ventilators. Had mitigation not worked so well, the number of ventilators needed over the past couple weeks would have been dramatically higher and the number of deaths to date would as well.

    – Mitigation efforts have only a slowing impact on the spread which allows for health care to keep up with cases needing intensive care. It also provides the opportunity for various types of testing to be put into action broadly.

    – Recent research suggests ventilators may not be the ideal way to ensure oxygenation of the blood, and the ventilators may also be causing some damage to the lungs. It’s likely a more gentle ventilator setting coupled with other means of originating the blood is a better means of keeping patients alive.

    – Producing far more ventilators than needed could never be a problem, as they could be distributed globally if not needed here, and would maintain their usefulness for many years to come.

  22. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Another point:

    As I’ve said before, this virus is going to run though the bulk of the total population as all highly contagious viruses do. There is zero probability that the number of US deaths will not exceed 60,000 by a considerable number. First off, death rates are not being reduced. They have only been leveled off at about 2,000 per day. We will have more than 60,000 deaths in less than two weeks. This virus will run through the majority of the total US population over a period of another 12 to 20 months. This initial surge will be dwarfed by the primary surge which will occur in the autumn here in the US. The autumn surge will likely kill two to five times more people than this Spring surge does. There will likely then be another late winter/spring surge in 2021 which will compare to the current initial surge in severity.

  23. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    So far, I’ve lost one relative and another life-long friend to this virus. We are only a couple months into this. Is there anyone here that doesn’t know someone killed by this? If not, you can be certain you will before it’s over.

  24. Anonymous
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Madeleine Albright on fascism on vox.com by back in 2019:

    “The important thing is that fascists aren’t actually trying to solve problems; they’re invested in exacerbating problems and deepening the divisions that result from them. They reject the free press and denounce the institutional structures within a society — like Congress or the judiciary.

    I’d also add that violence is a crucial element of fascism. Whatever else it is, fascism involves the endorsement and use of violence to achieve political goals and stay in power. It’s a bully with an army, really.”

    https://www.vox.com/world/2019/2/14/18221913/fascism-warning-madeleine-albright-book-trump

  25. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    I’m hopeful that the most optimistic projections of the US leveling off the total death toll at around 60,000 through the summer. I don’t want to sound like I’m all doom and gloom, because I’m not. Mitigation has saved tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of lives here in the US. Careful and very strategic action through the summer will determine what happens for the rest of this viruses run through the population.

    It was not known how cooperative the general public would be with stay-at-home and social distancing orders. It turned out that the vast majority of the population was highly cooperative. That was the most significant factor in the reducing of the virus’s potential impact to this date.

    Trump should also get credit for restricting travel from China into the US pretty early on, and against the criticisms from the left. It was a significant factor.

    The early and quick mobilizations by state governments in California, Ohio and a few others was a significant factor as well.

    Idiot governors in Florida, Georgia and several other states will unfortunately cancel out some of the movement of the numbers in a positive direction in those that acted boldly early.

  26. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Ive not had the virus. Seems like everyone here has opted for living with the virus. Much of the world is still attempting to crush the virus. Some days ago I expressed my fear that we were heading to a bifurcated world, the west where the virus will periodically spread through the population and the east where they eradicate it. 14 day quarantines for anyone traveling between the zones. Our economy periodically crippled as the virus sweeps through workplaces , we will continue to sink into 3rd world status as the silk road economies lead the free (of the
    virus) world.
    Profits before people that is how we do it in the exceptional US.

  27. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    So zero chance the IHME is correct in their latest projection then according to iRobert. You must have awesome power to know that. iRobert the Awesome.

  28. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    What would you like to wager on it?

    How about a $100 donation to a local charity of the others choosing?

  29. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    …and thank you for acknowledging I’m awesome. I am the greatest commenter in this blog, probably ever. I’d rate my performance here a 10. Nobody has ever seen the beautifully high level of commenting that they see now from me.

  30. iRobert
    Posted April 18, 2020 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    So HW, you actually believe the COVID-19 virus will be eradicated by late May as the IHME graph forecasts?

    Ok, I’ll give you the critical clue…

    IHME: “Current social distancing assumed until infections minimized and containment implemented”

  31. iRobert
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 5:02 am | Permalink

    Also from the graph: “projected by August 4, 2020”

    So what do you think the probability is that the US will have no more significant surges in deaths after August 4, 2020?

    Personally, I’d say the chances of that are very close to zero, if not zero.

  32. iRobert
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 5:19 am | Permalink

    I truly hope they’re right! Though the projection seems more like the most optimistic possible scenario than it seems the most likely. I very much hope I’m wrong. I would never be more happy about being wrong about something.

    If we see this pandemic minimized by late May and over by August 4, 2020, I will celebrate it as an incredible miracle….maybe the greatest miracle the human species have ever experienced.

  33. Anonymous
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    A bit dated (5 days), but the physical limitations of materials and the lack of knowledge of the implications of serological testing is still true.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-summer-coronavirus-reopening-back-normal/609940/

  34. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Aloha, experts (not drug companies boosting stock sales) starting to be heard.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/dont-bet-on-vaccine-to-protect-us-from-covid-19-says-world-health-expert

  35. Anonymous
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Many different models of pandemic progression. A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two is never sure.

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/4/10/21209961/coronavirus-models-covid-19-limitations-imhe

  36. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Aloha, then of course there is the growing problem of false negative tests. We have no idea what kind of viral load you need to carry to test positive for virus.
    The need for 100’s of million of test kits has resulted in a total failure of quality and performance standards
    If you are in a high risk…Trumps attitude towards others says you are expendable.
    Rick “the killer” Snyder demonstrates that even “moderate” Republicans are socio paths. America Profits before people its our way.

  37. John Brown
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    Timothy McVeigh “liberated” 168 souls, men, women, and a whole bunch of kids, 25 years ago today. He had the same crazy anti deep state delusions that the terrorist in the white house is using to motivate his follow-up acts of treason.

  38. iRobert
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    I still try to keep my heart open to the possibility of miracles. I wish EOS would comment on that topic. Because I believe when people believe in the possibility of what would appear to be miracles, they can happen. People, when working together and creating a groundswell of good will, can bring about seemingly miraculous outcomes. I assume EOS agrees with me and could state it far more eloquently.

  39. Posted April 19, 2020 at 9:18 am | Permalink

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    I have no idea if covid-19 will re-emerge. The projections have had to continually be revised down for THIS outbreak.

  41. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Do you believe in the sanctity of covid death numbers? No fuckery you think?

  42. iRobert
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    The numbers are understated at this point. Deaths of home quarantined individuals is slow to be tabulated.

    Do share the details of any fuckery you believe is occurring. I would be happy to take a look at it and give my feedback on those questions.

  43. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    I try not to have beliefs therefore I consider everything possible. Italy is said to have inflated their numbers by calling deaths that may not have been caused by covid “caused by covid”. New York City couldn’t do that ever you think? Or just invent numbers? If everything that goes against what you believe seems impossible then maybe it turns out that belief itself is the tyrant you need to be worried about.

  44. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Aloha, there has been sporadic antidotal evidence of either reinfections (S Korea) or testing failures giving false negatives (China, false negatives or viral loads so low as to be undetectable).
    China figured it out—you must crush and smoother the virus. Flattening the curve spreads out the curve, it contains close to the same number of bodies. All we have done is keep the hospitals functioning.

  45. Jean Henry
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Trump is also apparently trying to kill small businesses and so the overall economies (small businesses employ 50% of workers) in many blue states. Yes, there could be other unpolitical explanations… but given Trump’s recent actions, why would we even consider them?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-sba-paycheck-protection-program/

  46. Jean Henry
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Re EOS’ supposed spiritual capacity (I question that assumption) , I thought this account from Facebook was telling of the power of prayer in an epidemic:

    “My mom’s church had one person visit for a regular meeting of 20 ppl… They conducted regular services on Sunday for less than 150 congregants. 50+ became ill. 8 died. That’s just members of the church not immediate family members etc.”

  47. Jean Henry
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    I believe in the miracle of science not faith, iRobeet. Scientific advances are miracle enough every day. I’m surprised someone so invested in logic and reason would place so much value of the power of faith…

  48. Jean Henry
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    HW— “ I try not to have beliefs.”
    You don’t think faith in Q prophesy constitutes belief?
    That’s funny as hell.

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Faith isn’t a part of my thinking. I don’t think it is a prophecy. I am confident that Q is in charge of a world-changing operation; a high probability. It all seems to be adding up. Declassification for example. Seems to be about here with the impending release of the IG footnotes causing a stir. See the difference?

  50. Bob
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    The difference between you and sane people? Yes. Yes we do. You are a goddamn nut.

  51. iRobert
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    I’m not a person of faith. I have seen extraordinary things achieved with the power of positive thinking. These achievements can be seen as miracles. That was my point.

    I’ve given my assessment in earlier comments. It’s very doom and gloom compared to HW’s expectations, and to the expectations of a person of faith. I was inviting them to give us their perspective.

    I had also hoped to hear from EOS so that we know he’s doing alright.

  52. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    If I do get the Wuhan virus and if I do find myself on my deathbed then I already know what I will be thinking: Why in the hell didn’t I spend more time listening to what Chuck Todd had to say. The dude is a fucking national teasure. Just like Rupar—as I have come to know him through ColuMbo.

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    You’ll find out just how crazy I can get if you try to attack me like you claimed you would, Bob. How many times have you had to scrap in your life? You said you would just beat my ass like it would be no problem but then you pussed out.

  54. Sad
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Now you can’t really wrestle in tiny little shorts.

    It would violate the social distancing guidelines.

    Do you think you’re winning the War of the Words HW?

    Wuhan Virus FF? That’s just trying to be inflammatory and stoke anger.

  55. iRobert
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Well, US intelligence is investigating the possibility that the pandemic virus originated in a government lab in Wuhan. At least that is what is being said in the news here. I am guessing that is why FF called it the Wuhan virus.

  56. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    You are right Sad. Chinese dissidents call it the CCP virus. I am with them 100%.

  57. Bob
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    I’m gonna leave a fucking flaming meatloaf on your porch, HDubs. One with a little American flag design made with catsup. I would imagine your abused wife is going to kill you before I find the time to cunt punt you anyway. I’m sure she’s at her breaking point.

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    You’ll do nothing.

  59. Bob
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    You aren’t worth wasting a meatloaf on for sure.

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    If you don’t think I’m worth it then shut the fuck up. You are the psycho. You and John Brown. Only you are armchair psychos using the web to try to intimidate people you hate because they aren’t like you.

  61. Posted April 19, 2020 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    From the magazine, Science:

    How does coronavirus kill? Clinicians trace a ferocious rampage through the body, from brain to toes

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes

  62. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Aloha here is a pretty good article about FF being a dube of the Kock bothers. Climbing into bed with the racist. We need easily identified scapegoats.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/far-right-coronavirus-protests-restrictions?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0psBKF5fx5VvQp7CoGIdy0-iiGG_rXFd7rehshpV46ZKOSVHeL–wEyms

  63. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 19, 2020 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Aren’t you the guy who literally promoted 2 false flag operations 2 days ago? And then when I called you out on your mistakes—weren’t you the same guy who never bothered to even respond back? Integrity? Immune to embarrassment? I don’t get it.

  64. Anonymous
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Check out the pictures. These are “fine people” indeed. Bigly, hugely fine. So fine that fine cannot describe them accurately.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/20/us-protests-lockdown-coronavirus-cases-surge-warning

  65. Jean Henry
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Those are my hometown people, Anonymous. I told my parents not to leave the farm for a month. We are getting everything delivered to them.

    Assholes. I try so hard not to hate them.

  66. Jean Henry
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    FF is right that Wobblie should simply be ignored as a leftist overarching conspiracy theorist.He and other Tulsi lovers will be joining the far right any day now.

  67. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Jean,

    I don’t want Wobblie to be ignored. I never suggested that did I? I often don’t agree with Wobblie but that is ok. Disagreement is ok. Why are you obsessed with encouraging other people to ignore other people? I even like it when people like you, Lynne, and Mark express your views because when you do so you put on display a typical stupidity for people to see and analyzed. We won’t cure the disease without identifying the sick and their symptoms.

  68. Posted April 22, 2020 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    I am not worried about the voices of white men not being heard. Like iRobert, I am ready to start hearing more from black women. If their voices were taken as seriously as those of guys like FF and Wobblie, I think our nation would be in a better place. I just hope that Biden picks Harris or Abrams as possible VP.

    I don’t think that it will hurt white men to have their speech positioned equally with the speech of other demographics. I know they will perceive it as oppression but so what? There really are some things that people say that should be ignored too.

  69. Sad
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    My father was out liberating Michigan yesterday with a game of golf accompanied by his Pastor.

    Who needs to wait for Governor Whitmer to lift anything?

    When she does lift it watch out!

  70. Jean Henry
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    As I have said many times, FF, the feeling is mutual. I’m going to ignore both you and Wobblie to the degree possible (my own limitation) and I feel confident that, even when you respond at length to what I say, you will still actually be ignoring my point entirely. In fact your lengthy retorts are obfuscation, not retort at all.

  71. Posted April 22, 2020 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    From The Daily Mail:

    EXCLUSIVE: Organizer of Michigan lockdown rebellion pushed bogus ‘cure’ for coronavirus, claiming his $75-a-month juice company made him ‘invincible’ and would ‘dominate’ virus

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8238433/amp/Organizer-Michigan-lockdown-rebellion-pushed-bogus-cure-coronavirus.html

  72. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Lynne is identified as using the logic of bigotry because she uses the logic of bigotry. Misapplication of the general onto the particular is the primary mechanism of racism. She is doing it again. Her theory is not wrong but she is misapplying it. Of course there are people who selfishly and mistakingly feel the equalization of society, within which their undue privilege is eroding, is some sort of unfair oppression. Babies are always going to cry….What does that have to do with me?

    I simply don’t feel any sort of petty resentment in that way. I am not accusing Lynne of being “a big meanie”. Pointing out her bigotry is not an expression of resentment based upon some supposed emotional response. I am also not trying to drown out her voice. The opposite is true: I like it when she displays the symptoms of her disease for all to see. It is illustrative. The more Lynne talks the better!

    I have explained bigot logic with crystal clarity before. Lynne has admitted she does not understand. Yeah, no kidding….

    The hilarious thing is that rather than self-reflect she always seems to fall back into defending her use of bigot logic with even more bigot logic misapplications. **It’s as if Lynne is afraid she is going to lose some power, which she imagines she ought to have over others, if she gives up her precious bigot logic**. Lots of irony, Lynne.

    Lynne and her lame formulaic thinking. What a trip. I sincerely feel deeply embarrassed for you.

    Easy question for Wobblie: Do you feel any of the resentment Lynne thinks you feel because of some supposed erosion of your privilege?

  73. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Aloha FF, I tend to agree with Lynne on a great many things, but like many liberals her tribalism and class privilege constrains their analysis and forces them to view everything through the prism of the there own expenses. Since she knows and understands the evils of patriarchy all evil must revolve around sexism. But no-my resentments are rooted In the obvious lack of equality, not because of any perceived loss of privilege.
    You on the other hand hide your resentments behind a false facade of objectivity.

  74. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Experiences

  75. iRobert
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Most people don’t attribute their “privilege” to their race or gender, regardless of the degree to which it IS attributable to their race or gender. People attribute their “privilege” to their own skills and choices, primarily, and to the choices their parents made, secondarily. Regardless of accuracy, that’s how people generally think. Consequently, they generally don’t fear losing their “privilege” thinking it has to do with race or gender. If and when a person experiences any loss in “privilege,” they most often attribute it to unfairness in a social or political system.

    On another note, Jean Henry is being groomed as an asset. So don’t take anything she says too seriously.

  76. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    “Most people don’t attribute their “privilege” to their race or gender, regardless of the degree to which it IS attributable to their race or gender. People attribute their “privilege” to their own skills and choices, primarily, and to the choices their parents made, secondarily. Regardless of accuracy, that’s how people generally think. Consequently, they generally don’t fear losing their “privilege” thinking it has to do with race or gender. If and when a person experiences any loss in “privilege,” they most often attribute it to unfairness in a social or political system.“

    Well said. Calculating the reasons that explain a persons successes or failures is complicated. Anybody who thinks sexism and racism is a non factor is an idiot. Likewise, anyone who thinks racism and sexism are the only factors is equally an idiot.

  77. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    “You on the other hand hide your resentments behind a false facade of objectivity.”

    You say that but I tried my best to accept that Boise 2017 is really Lansing 2020. Sorry. I will try harder to not hide behind the facade next time. You’ll see.

  78. Lynne
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Fwiw, I dont think race or gender are tge ONLY things that factor into privilege. They are just pretty major things.

    I think the reason it may seem like I think that sexism and racism are such major things HERE in this blog is that the white men here tend to be both and I will call it out when I see it. It is also true that as a woman, I am in a much better position to see sexism just like people of color tend to be in a better position than white people to see racism.

    So when a white dude like Wobble denies what seems like obvious sexism, it doesnt make me think that he can see all discrimination since he very clearly cannot.

  79. iRobert
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    If you’re not really a woman, Lynne, don’t tell me. I was devastated when I found out you weren’t black.

  80. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Lynne,

    You have a very stale gimmick. It is your Schlick. You use baseless accusations and innuendo as an alibi, crutch and weapon. Without it you got nothing. With it you have something worse than nothing. Why not suspend yourself in nothing for awhile and reevaluate what sort of person you want to be? This shit ain’t working.

  81. disinterested observer
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    In my unbiased opinion Frosted Flakes’s gimmick is more tiresome than Lynne’s.

  82. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    DO always stays fresh as hell though.

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    FWIW I also find it pretty boring to point out Lynne’s bigot logic on a weekly basis. It’s just been what seems like a half of a decade of playing wack-a -mole with Jean and Lynne. They never seem to learn or grow.

  84. disinterested observer
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    I accept my shtick is more monotonous and one-dimensional than Frosted Flakes’s gimmick. To avoid any appearance of bias I will not give my opinion on which of us is more tiresome.

  85. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 22, 2020 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Dealing with the princess and Jean has become almost a discipline. I will never waver as long as I am faced with this kind of nonsense. Never. So hunker down. It is probably going to feel even more tiresome 5 years from now.

  86. Posted April 23, 2020 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    Oh I am sorry. Did you say something, FF?

  87. iRobert
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    Jean and Lynne just hate Frosted Flakes because their bacon & eggs privilege is threatened by breakfast cereals.

  88. iRobert
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 5:39 am | Permalink

    Of all the reasons to dislike Jean, the only reasons white men do is because they’re white and they’re men.

  89. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    iRobert is weak white man. His jealousy is plain for all to see. He resents Jean because she is not corrupt while being charming.

  90. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    I resent Lynne because she exposed me for not understanding the myth of Cassandra. I don’t know why getting exposed by a strong outspoken female makes me feel so weak. It makes me feel like my privilege is eroding inside of my soul.

    The truth is I got “Cassandra” mixed up with that Toto song.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qmOLtTGvsbM

  91. stupid hick
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    You’re being sarcastic but seriously, when you address Lynne your tone comes across as hostile. You’ve said before you are just defending yourself, but frankly that’s an irrelevant excuse. To a normal person your tone does not echo strength, it makes you sound pathetic and weak. I am sorry, my Trump-brainwashed friend, but someone has to tell you. You seemed a lot smarter before Trump.

  92. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    FF is extremely patient and kind; the opposite of Lynne herself and numerous others. How do you ATTACK someone with hate every day and then complain they are a meany-head?

  93. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    SH,

    The truth is I am not sure how to deal with Lynne’s bigot logic. She seems impervious to shame. Should I be nicer when I confront her about her bigotry?

  94. Sad
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    FF is fighting with Lynne and Jean the only way you can find meaning in your life?

  95. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Thanks HW. I said it once before but years ago I would read some things you were saying to either Peter or Jean and I would think “wow that is mean of HW to say that”. But then I would read what you were responding to and what they said FIRST was always way worse.

  96. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    It might surprise you but searching for truth and exposing lies is not a bad gig, Sad.

  97. John Brown
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    People were really mean to Mussolini. Just like they are to Agent Orange and his drones.

  98. Posted April 23, 2020 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    iRobert, if that were true, I wouldn’t love The Oatmeal and I *love* The Oatmeal.

  99. Jean Henry
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Cases in Michigan have spiked again.
    So much for subtlety and nuance, FF.
    I don’t think this disease understands those terms.

  100. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Cases?

    Has the “well read woman” bothered to look at the daily numbers regarding testing before opening her yap?

    Numbers. Nuance. Numb-nuts.

  101. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Ok. I can see how that cam across as unnecessarily hostile. My bad.

    Let me try again: We tested a lot in the last 5 days. Maybe it had a big impact on the case numbers?

  102. Jean Henry
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    Yes I looked at numbers.
    We’ll see if it’s a spike in testing or cases.
    There’s only so long to wait before the truth is revealed.
    Remember when Trump held back testing so he could minimize this as long as possible?

    Whether a spike in testing or cases, do you see evidence that we should be re-opening for business?

  103. Jean Henry
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Tell me FF, where are you finding numbers on the rate of testing? I’m not seeing it anywhere.

  104. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    I use covidtracking.com for daily tested, positive, negative, and deaths. Some states track daily number hospitalized….The testing in the last five day accounts for about 25% of our total tests.

    If you are using a phone use “landscape” to view all of the daily numbers.

  105. Posted April 24, 2020 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

  106. iRobert
    Posted April 29, 2020 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    Hyborian Warlord (Posted April 18, 2020 at 7:30 pm)

    “So zero chance the IHME is correct in their latest projection then according to iRobert. You must have awesome power to know that. iRobert the Awesome.”

    Just as I said, the total deaths is surpassing that 60,000 the IHME graph projected to be the total deaths (by August 4th)

    The IHME projection was WRONG

    My projection that we’d cross 60,000 in less than two weeks was RIGHT

    Does that make me awesome, HW?

    I’m beating that ass, aren’t I?

  107. Posted April 29, 2020 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    IHME have been revising their projections upward over the past two weeks. My projection is that they will continue to do that through August 4th and beyond.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

  108. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 29, 2020 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    Aloha iRobert, they are forcing the wage slaves back to work. Expect periodic outbreaks devastating confined workplaces periodically from now on.
    Our weak ineffective leadership has decided this is just another flu—look at Pence relying on the magic jesus mask to protect him.

  109. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 29, 2020 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    “Just as I said, the total deaths is surpassing that 60,000 the IHME graph projected to be the total deaths (by August 4th)
    The IHME projection was WRONG
    My projection that we’d cross 60,000 in less than two weeks was RIGHT
    Does that make me awesome, HW?
    I’m beating that ass, aren’t I?”

    Are you serious? That is your logic? We are coming in UNDER the best case scenario projected not long ago.

  110. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 29, 2020 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Aloha, probable consequences of the anti-social distancing protesters.

    https://www.crainsdetroit.com/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases-kent-county-double-week-michigan-reports-1052-new-covid-19-cases-160P

  111. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 29, 2020 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Aloha, just keep repeating
    It is just like the flu
    It is just like the flu

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/?fbclid=IwAR1yhQNWFlzzxHzIDU-miZnaCNJ5MEF6f2Ye_o5YBHbP2ecxx-PTKGxF_rI

    Keep your money in your pockets on May Day and support the health and safety strikes at Amazon, Whole Foods, FedEx, and other food and distribution companies.

  112. Anonymous
    Posted April 29, 2020 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/27/1000569/how-long-are-people-immune-to-covid-19/

    Let’s hope for good genes. I myself don’t really get colds at all, but I know many people who catch “it” multiple times a year.

  113. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 29, 2020 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Aloha, EOS There are alternatives to quitting. most of you folks are too young to remember the 70’s. I remember days when wildcat strikes by mine workers, and truck drivers shut down the economy. 100000 workers in Agriculture Implements stuck both the company and the UAW over working conditions.
    More work days have been lost to the collective actions of workers in the last couple of years than in decades.

  114. iRobert
    Posted April 29, 2020 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    HW: “Are you serious? That is your logic? We are coming in UNDER the best case scenario projected not long ago.”

    HW, less than two weeks ago, you presented the IHME projection that the total number of deaths would be 60,000 by August 4th. I said that there was essentially no chance of that and that we’d exceed 60,000 in less than two weeks.

    Your response was, “So zero chance the IHME is correct in their latest projection then according to iRobert. You must have awesome power to know that. iRobert the Awesome.”

    I was right. So I must have awesome power. I’m iRobert the Awesome by your statement.

    You can check the conversation above in this thread. Are you going to now pretend you weren’t wrong and I wasn’t right about this?

    IHME projections were wrong. They’ve been adjusting that projection up since that day, and I project they will continue to adjust it upward. I also predict the SARS-Cov2 virus will kill tens of thousands of people after August 4th.

  115. iRobert
    Posted May 4, 2020 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Well, whatayaknow. IHME’s projection of total COVID-19 deaths in the US has been raised to 134,475.

    And that’s just the projection through August 4th. They don’t make any projections about how many more will die after their arbitrary August 4th end date.

    So, according to HW, I must have awesome power to have known that. I’ll consider changing my screen name to iRobert the Awesome. Thank you for the compliments, by the way, HW.

  116. Posted May 11, 2020 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    From the Metro Times:

    Gov. Whitmer becomes target of dozens of threats on private Facebook groups ahead of armed rally in Lansing

    https://m.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/05/11/whitmer-becomes-target-of-dozens-of-threats-on-private-facebook-groups-ahead-of-armed-rally-in-lansing

  117. iRobert
    Posted May 11, 2020 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    IHME’s projected total dearth’s is up again. This time it’s been raised to 137,184 (up from 134,475).

    Again, that just their projection through August 4th. It’s still not clear why they’ve chosen August 4th as their end date. Who actually doesn’t understand this virus will be taking lives well into 2021, and likely beyond.

  118. Sad
    Posted May 11, 2020 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    IRobert will you be going out to eat on June 1st?

    I hear the waitstaff will be masked and gloved and the fragrance of disinfectant will compliment all the entrees.

  119. iRobert
    Posted May 11, 2020 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Probably not, Sad. I’ve come to prefer just grocery shopping and eating at home. I might get a pick-up pizza at some point though. What about you?

  120. iRobert
    Posted May 12, 2020 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    IHME’s projected total deaths is up again.

    It is now 147,040.

    That is up 10,000 from a a couple days ago.

    And again, that is only their total through their arbitrary end date of August 4th. We will certainly be hit with a second big wave in Autumn and continue suffering deaths through 2021. iRobert the Awesome has spoken.

  121. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    What happened to all the patriots fighting to liberate the states ordering the shut-down, wearing of masks, and stay-at-home orders. We need them in Florida, Texas and Arizona now. Governors in those states look like they are about to go full out tyrant.

  122. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    Right now 201 of them are boating, 176 are getting haircuts, and 7 of them are operating their small businesses inorder to provide food and shelter for their families.

  123. Wobblie
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Aloha FF you forgot the ones in the hospital

    https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/05/16/tracking-michigan-covid-19-hospitalization-data-trends/

  124. Wobblie
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Aloha FF, prove to me how much better DeSantis is doing. Find Florida covid hospitalization rates so we can do a comparison.

  125. EOS
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    George Floyd had COVID antibodies in his system at the time of death. He’s counted as a COVID death.

    And the numbers reported are positive tests, not necessarily different individuals. A person with COVID might be tested every week once the symptoms are gone, but still test positive for months. So it’s possible that 8 – 12 positive test results are actually one infected person.

  126. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    What EOS is saying is true, which is why positive test result numbers are just a tool to get some understanding of what is happening, but not an accurate means of doing any meaningful calculations.

    ICU hospitalizations is a much more solid number.

  127. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    FF, it looks like Brazil is completely liberated.

  128. Posted July 16, 2020 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    IHME’s projected total deaths is up again.
    It is now 224,089.

    And again, that is only their total through their arbitrary end date which is now November 1st. We will certainly be hit with a second big wave in Autumn and continue suffering deaths through 2021. iRobert the Awesome has spoken. I’m beating that ass, right?

  129. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Bigger
    Older
    Less death
    More open

    (That was quite the challenge Wobblie.)

  130. EOS
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    ICU hospitalizations are only an indication of how many elderly or at risk persons have COVID. 50% or more of teens and young adults may have already had it and not even known. You can’t draw any conclusions from the graphs and numbers until everybody has been tested for the virus and for antibodies to the virus. The whole purpose of the constant reporting is to ramp up the fear levels. Keep the people scared and fighting among themselves while who knows what is actually happening behind the scenes.

  131. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I agree most of the purpose of the constant reporting is to ramp up the fear levels. Some people just feel everyone should be much more vigilant.

    I realize you take the position that you’ll protect yourself and to hell with everyone else. We all know that is your approach to things.

    The hospitalizations tell us more than how many elderly or at risk persons have COVID. It gives us a real idea of the number of deaths to come. It also is what notifies decision makers as to what and when additional resources need to be allocated. That’s a very important bit of information for heading off as many deaths as possible. That’s why hospitalizations are a much more “solid” number and can actually be used to make further calculations and projections.

  132. Wobblie
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Aloha FF couldnt find any info, because the state only tabulates cumulative hospitalization. That is how the death cult plans for the future. A total cluster fuck, so of course the most important thing is to hide and obsuficate information.

  133. iRobert
    Posted July 28, 2020 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    Trump is back to encouraging states to open up, and is discouraging people from wearing masks.

  134. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    They’re ticketing people in Florida who aren’t wearing masks! Why aren’t FF, HW and EOS going bananas and calling for the liberation of Florida?!

  135. Posted August 2, 2020 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Texas is mandating the wearing of masks!

    Liberate Texas!

    Where did our Trumpanzee Liberation Army go?

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