This morning, President Donald Trump posted a series of racist tweets directed at freshman Democratic Congresswomen Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, who have collectively become known as “the squad.” In his online tirade against the progressive lawmakers, several of whom have called for his impeachment, the President said that the four women of color should “go back” to where they came from, rightfully angering non-racists across the country.
Of the four elected officials that Donald Trump said should “go back” to “the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came”, three were actually born right here in the United States. [Omar, a Somali refugee, immigrated to the United States at 10, and became a U.S. citizen at 17. The other three members of “the squad” were born here, in the United States.] So, when Donald Trump says that they should go back to the “totally broken and crime infested” places they come from, he’s talking about the United States of America in three out of four cases.
But, as we know, reality doesn’t really matter to Donald Trump, the members of his racist base, or the hosts on FOX News, who are only too happy to share his racist lies, while laughing along. Sure, it may not be the real, actual truth when Donald Trump says that they’ll all from “totally broken and crime infested” countries, but there’s an “emotional truth” to it, the same way there was an “emotional truth” to Trump’s birther lie about Barack Obama having been born in Kenya. In the end, to members of the MAGA base, it doesn’t really matter where these people of color are actually from. All that matters is that they’re not like us. They aren’t the kind of good, white, America-loving citizens that make this country great… And, given that, they might just as well have been raised in the kinds of “totally broken and crime infested” non-white countries that Donald Trump refers to as “shitholes“.
Here’s the response from Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib of Michigan’s 13th congressional district.
#13thDistrictStrong: I will #neverbackdown and no bully, even this racist President, will waiver the work we have to do for our residents of Wayne County. Together, we will fight back, speak truth to power, and become stronger for it. #rootedincommunity #BoostAct #JusticeforAll pic.twitter.com/XkAcPA3FlL
— Rashida Tlaib (@RashidaTlaib) July 14, 2019
And, here, from the New York Times, is a bit of context: “Delivered on the day he had promised widespread immigration raids, Mr. Trump’s comments signaled a new low in how far he will go to affect public discourse surrounding the issue. In a week in which he waged a fight about putting a citizenship question on the 2020 census and hosted incendiary right-wing internet figures at the White House, Mr. Trump appeared resigned to force 2020 voters to choose between the white, native-born America he and his supporters have romanticized and the diverse and increasingly foreign-born country he is presiding over.”
As for why Donald Trump is doing this, I think the answer is clear. He’s a fucking racist. As for why he’s doing it now, and doing it so blatantly, my sense is that he’s seen the most recent polling data, which shows him losing by huge margins to the likes of Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, and Bernie Sanders in the general election, and he’s come to realize that his message of no health care and greater wealth disparity just isn’t working with voters. So, he’s going all-in on a platform of racial animus, and white victimhood.
In the past few days, as news has continued to come out about the the inhumane conditions at migrant detention facilities along the southern border, Donald Trump has done nothing to remedy the situation, instead announcing new ICE raids, and inviting racists, conspiracy theorists and lunatics to the White House to discuss the 2020 campaign. And things, I’m afraid, are just going to get worse, as I see no Republicans standing up to him to stop it. In fact, many, like Lindsey Graham, are actually supporting him, calling these Congresswomen “anti-American” and “communists”.
.@LindseyGrahamSC on Fox & Friends: "We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of communists … they're anti-Semitic. They're anti-America." pic.twitter.com/lsFqZi1Eu8
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 15, 2019
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Trump has likely been advised to tweet provocative comments directed at “the squad.” Having them represent the alternative to Trump doesn’t play well for the Dems.
Representing some of the safest Democratic districts in the country, the squad members do not concern themselves with those swing voters which decide the key states in general elections.
They are also unusually inexperienced and likely value attention to themselves more than they do a coherent strategy for Dems retaking control of the legislature and/or presidency.
Provoking the squad members and directing media attention onto them will help Trump influence the way swing voters characterize his Democratic opposition.
iRobert meant to say this
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/07/12/beat-trump-with-mainstream-ideas-not-far-left-fantasies-column/1703543001/
Meanwhile…
A prominent civil rights activist has been murdered.
From NPR:
“Police say they are searching for the “person or persons” responsible for the death of Sadie Roberts-Joseph, a prominent community activist in Baton Rouge, La. and the founder of the city’s African American history museum.”
Founder Of African American History Museum Discovered Dead In Car Trunk
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/14/741618378/founder-of-african-american-history-museum-discovered-dead-in-car-trunk
Jean, posting as Anonynous, can’t resist the impulse to kill the messenger.
I’m just pointing out the obvious strategy of the Trunp re-election campaign and of the GOP congressional campaign. Jean often has a tough time accepting the obvious, and lashes out at anyone who points it out.
First of all, I’m pretty sure that Jean doesn’t post anonymously. Second of all, I’m pretty sure that was not Jean’s post, as I am not her. And third of all, I thought it was a good mainstream article that supported all your points and pushed back against the tone of Mark’s post. I don’t understand what got you so angry?
For the record, and because I know how the stupid people here jump to unsupported conclusions, I know any of the Democratic candidates could beat Trump with the proper campaign structure. However, none of “the squad” could beat Trump if any of them were the Democratic presidential candidate challenging him. That’s why the strategy will be to direct as much focus on them as possible and off of any of the actual challengers to the president and incumbent republicans in vaulnerable seats. There is nothing new about any of this.
Having been genuinely involved in government and politics for much of my life, the exact idiology of a candidate is of much less importance to me than their competence and leadership qualities are. So often incompetent individuals are installed by racketeers seeking to control the office, we the public are lucky to get any competent officials anymore.
Anon (Jean): “First of all, I’m pretty sure that Jean doesn’t post anonymously.”
We all know you do, Jean.
Anon (Jean): “Second of all, I’m pretty sure that was not Jean’s post, as I am not her.”
Posting as anonymous is one thing, but playing this game you’re playing now is quite childish.
Anon (Jean): “And third of all, I thought it was a good mainstream article that supported all your points and pushed back against the tone of Mark’s post.”
It’s an ok article, but you posted it to equate my comments with a republican telling Dems what to do. I’ve done 100 times more than you’ll ever do in the Democratic Party. You kid yourself that your offensiveness is proof of you doing something effective. It isn’t. Your attack on Mark in the previous thread, for example, was a perfect demonstration of how your just impulsively offensive. Mark has never done anything but defend you.
Anon (Jean): “I don’t understand what got you so angry?”
Are you asking that as a question? The way that’s worded is as a statement. But then you put a question mark at the end of it. If you’re asking me if I’m angry, the answer is no. It could come across that way through texting, but I’m just not very eloquent. I’m also a bit insulting generally and that comes across as anger in text.
I can confirm that “Anon”, at least in this instance, is not Jean Henry.
You’re welcome.
Does Jean also post as “site admin” now too? Haha!
Yes.
You’re welcome.
Trump’s army is trying to tell people that the tweet is only about one person, despite Trump referring to people in the plural.
It seems entirely possible that Trump doesn’t know the difference between singular and plural. There have been simpler concepts he’s failed to grasp.
Republican Congressman Chip Roy says what Trump said was wrong, but follows up with a “but.”
Roy: POTUS was wrong to say any American citizen, whether in Congress or not, has any ‘home’ besides the U.S. But I just as strongly believe non-citizens who abuse our immigration laws should be sent home immediately, & Reps who refuse to defend America should be sent home 11/2020.
Jean Henry could probably be an honorary member of “ The Squad” .
IRoberts criticism of her politics and opinions could probably be applied to “ The Squad”.
Sad to watch my friend @realDonaldTrump take low road regarding @AOC of the Bronx, @RashidaTlaib of Detroit @AyannaPressley of Boston & @Ilhan of Somalia & Minneapolis. Let’s stick to issues & steer clear of language that’s xenophobic even racist. @POTUS you’re better than that.
Sad,
Jean would first have to win a congressional seat before I’d ever call her a member of “the squad.”
If you’re proposing we run Jean for Congress, I’m all behind that.
For those trying to keep track at home, the last comment attributed to “site admin” was not, in fact, from me.
I think there is a lot of truth to what Robert said on this one. Trump’s racist statement is now the top news story. Pelosi can’t control the “squad”. Bernie is promoting the belief that they are the future of the Democratic Party. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-pelosi-too-tough-on-aocs-squad-the-future-of-the-democratic-party
This can only benefit Republicans.
I think Trump should let the Dems demonize him up until the last minute where he steps out of the race and lets Pence run at the top of the ticket. It would be a slam dunk.
Mayor Pete.
Let’s be clear about what this vile comment is: A racist and xenophobic attack on Democratic congresswomen. This *is* their country, regardless of whether or not Trump realizes it. They should be treated with respect. As president, I’ll make sure of it.
Gotta wonder if AOC is a plant to wreak havoc on the dems. She is so ridiculous with her fake crying at the “nazi concentration camp” and all that shit that it is hard to believe it is not a parody.
Hey lets all go back to where we came from and give back the land, along with HUUUUGGGEEE reparations to the Native Americans for destroying so much of what nature provided.
She’s right on target HW.
You need to get out more. Maybe hang with a different crowd.
There’s a big storm a comin.
AOC is just the first sign of a sea change.
You couldn’t be more wrong. You are accidentally correct about The Storm though.
Senator Sanders is considered the most left-leaning candidate in the current field of Democrats, and I believe he could win against Trump. The outcome of the 2020 general election will be determined by Dem campaign organization, structure, strategy, and execution, more than anything else. That’s essentially what the situation was in 2016 and the Dem’s voter ID and GOTV operations were sabbataged from within the firm charged with those duties. The security and integrity of the Democratic campaign would have to be maintained this time for there not to be just a repeat of 2016. If Dems think keeping Russian agents from hacking it will be sufficient, they will be vaulnerable to the very same strategy as they were last time.
How can the dems win anything ever again for a long long time? If they even exist as a party much longer? The scale of their lies to the American people is staggering to behold. Framing the President of the USA with exactly what they do: collusion with foreign powers to fix an election. When that failed they tried their damnedest to undo our election.
They are going to pay and you will be ashamed for ever supporting them and attacking the ones who told the truth. It’s no joke. That ought to have dawned on you a while ago when the pattern began to emerge that what I say turns out to be true.
I see that HW is contributing his part on keeping Ypsilanti awesome. Thanks for helping out. I’m sure your neighbors really appreciate it.
iRobert,
Are you following the same polls that said Hilliary couldn’t lose? Sanders can’t even win the party nomination.
This has nothing to do with being a Democrat, a Republican, an independent – or even a voter (or non-voter).
Telling four elected members of Congress (all of whom are U.S. citizens, and three of whom were born in the U.S.) to “go back to the crime infested countries they came from” is ignorant, despicable, and un-American.
Is there literally nothing this president can say or do that would cause his supporters to say he has crossed the line?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/trumps-tweets-are-baiting-democrats/593956/
Demetrius,
There is nothing for hard core supporters. But this rhetoric is designed to make the alternative to him seem even more unpalatable for those who would waver.
And one would think there would also be outrage when an elected official makes public Anti-Semitic comments. Seems like we are all shaking our heads anytime an elected official opens their mouth and no honest person even attempts to run for office anymore. Is there any hope of turning it around?
I guess we have an answer.
Are racist hunting down Ferguson activists while Faux news jokes about Agent Oranges endorsement of racism?
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-ferguson-activist-deaths-black-lives-matter-20190317-story.html
Omar committed fraud by marrying someone (her brother?) to give him immigration status while she was living with her fiance and filing joint tax returns. She might actually have to go back.
“Anonymous
Posted July 15, 2019 at 9:49 am | Permalink
I see that HW is contributing his part on keeping Ypsilanti awesome. Thanks for helping out. I’m sure your neighbors really appreciate it.”
What would you know about Ypsi? Do you even live here? Is there a single Ypsilanti native on this site besides me?
HW, you are a total piece of shit. Nothing in any record indicates any of her tax issues related to her brother. Baseless lies spread by a pos Trumpit with no morals or ethics–EOS these are the people you are with–what turds you both are. She faces no criminal or immigration issues. She had to repay some campaign funds she spent on an accountant.
Find my name in certain editions of The Ypsilanti Press.
You are the piece of shit wobblie. You even smell like it through the screen. She was married to an immigrant while living with her current husband. How is that not fraud?
So you are actually a piece of shit, right? If you call someone else that for telling the truth then it must come back around. See how this works?
https://www.apnews.com/b49ee5604ec2435a90945820b7c973eb
The Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board said Thursday that Omar and her husband, Ahmed Abdisalan Hirsi, filed joint tax returns for 2014 and 2015 — before they were actually married and while Omar was legally wed to another man. While some states allow for joint filing for “common law” marriages, Minnesota does not, and filing joint tax returns with someone who is not your legal spouse is against both federal and state law.
Wobblie,
Only half – and very loosely connected. You are with the other half. Is there any politician that a person can support whole-heartedly and retain some level of integrity? Open your eyes to all sides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
EOS, your ideological brother the pos HW, is spreading baseless lies concerning Rep. Ilhan Omar marrying her brother. He now, in his sniffling cowardly manner, thinks the issue is over the inappropriate joint tax return. He has no morals or ethics–this is what you Republicans have become. I am sorry to see one like your self, who at least seemed to have universal standards you applied to right and wrong become such a liberal on values.
Every day you conservatives (or what ever you call yourselves) demonstrate you have no courage or honor. It is the Duty of all Americans to stand up and denounce the racist, misogynist lies of the Trumpits.
Remember do no spend any money in the economy today or tomorrow, it is the one way we can say NO to ICE, they rely upon our acquiescence.
That was a question, dick. As far as I know the relationship between her and the immigrant she married is in question. You can’t answer how it is not immigration fraud to do what she did because there is not one other than she committed fraud. Living with and filing returns with her future husband while married to an immigrant. You can’t defend it. You can’t do shit but cry waycist.
It’s the board of So if you can’t fuckin’ answer it you are the piece of shit. It’s The Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board making the statement. God damnit you are dumb. It’s like the concentrated evil in Time Bandits but instead of evil it’s pure stupidity.
“Find my name in certain editions of The Ypsilanti Press.”
And what would that name be, HW?
We knew this about him. He has a long track record (the Birther thing, etc.) He is just trying to distract us from all the real work that needs to be done. (And of course he is trying to sow discord among Dems.) We have not really learned much of anything about Donald Trump that we didn’t know when he was elected. We need to undo that joke that the Universe played on us. Focus on 2020.
“It doesn’t concern me because many people agree with me. And all I’m saying — they want to leave, they can leave.”
Trump rejects criticism that his weekend tweet about four minority lawmakers was racist, says they “hate our country”
@ Demetrius,
In case you missed it, I wasn’t trying to refute Wobblie at all. Merely agreeing with him and asking him to acknowledge that there is no righteous choice in either party.
@Wobblie,
“It is the Duty of all Americans to stand up and denounce the racist, misogynist lies of the Trumpits.” Is that in the Declaration of Independence? Are there enough hours in the day to denounce all racism and lies of politicians from both parties? Can you name a single politician who is honest?
Just because there are no righteous persons running for office does not mean that a person is not allowed to attempt to choose the lesser of two evils. If good-hearted people refrain from participating in the electoral process, the outcome would be far worse. Things are not going well in the world, but they could be far worse.
I’ll keep praying for improvement.
“It doesn’t concern me because many people agree with me,” has to be the best defense of racism ever.
Our President is himself only a 2nd-Generation American, and when his own Grandfather tried to go “back where he came from,” it didn’t go so well!
“Royal decree ordered Friedrich Trump to leave Bavaria and never come back after he failed to do military service”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/21/trump-grandfather-friedrich-banished-germany-historian-royal-decree
@MittRomney on Trump calling for 4 congresswoman to go back to their countries of origin? “I certainly feel a number of these new members of Congress have views that are not consistent with my experience and not consistent with building a strong America.” More @NBC10Boston 5pm
Aloha, There are some Republicans with honor. ” Rep. Will Hurd (Texas) on Monday became the first GOP lawmaker to publicly condemn recent tweets from President Trump as racist.”
Of course he is the only black Republican in the House. Then of course there is Amish who has quit the party of racist, and has called for The Leaders impeachment.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/453093-gop-lawmaker-calls-trumps-remarks-racist
Aside from the absurdity that criticizing the US makes on less American than another, the problem with the US and being an American citizen, is that you can’t just leave. We are one of the only developed countries that taxes citizens ever when living abroad, will charge you $3500 to renounce your citizenship and STILL force you to pay taxes for an entire decade after you renounce.
The problem with being an American, is that “being an American” is a condition that is almost impossible to rid oneself of. Not many countries do this, and not many other countries have the power to enforce it like the US does. If you are poor, it might not matter very much, but if you have money, being an American can be an incredible burden because you have to pay taxes in two different countries, your country of residence and the US, where you might not live and thus not receive any services.
“And what would that name be, HW?”
Wouldn’t you like to know? Irrelevant to the point.
Wow, Agent Orange has his stochastic terror machine turned up to 11.
“I mean, I look at the one, I look at Omar. I mean, I don’t know I never met her, I hear the way she talks about al Qaeda,” Trump said. “Al Qaeda has killed many Americans. She said, ‘you can hold your chest out, you can, when I think of America, huh, when I think of al Qaeda, I can hold my chest out,'” he said.
Meanwhile a decent AR-15 at Dunham’s is $449 today. Focus on 2020 gets tough when he’s doing his damnedest to start a race war between now and then.
Do you agree with Omar that Al Qaeda should be spoken of in the same tone as the US military?
The Republican response.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/15/lindsey-grahams-gops-initial-responses-trumps-go-back-tweets-are-mess/
HW, why aren’t you on a Greyhound bus heading to Roswell for the Area 51 takedown?
Mark, you really should moderate these evil trolls. Or shut it all down per Anons suggestion.
How do you like the antifa genius who tried to blow up the detention center and got smoked? I reckon that’s about the only kind of person you speak to when you do that dumb weapons & ammo act.
You ought to know the fuckin’ orcs thought the elves were ‘vile’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVid_fLzN5g
HW, you mean the guy who had the guts to vandalize deportation buses in a quasi militarized CBP site? Versus your right wing trump loving cowardly butchers attacking the Mosque, the Baptist Church, the Synagogue, the Murrow building with a day care, and on and on and on. You and your fascist terrorist are literally killing us libtards on the body count. Congratulations.
It’s great that of all the metaphors to use, HW goes for the orcs and elves.
No I mean the old antifa commie piece of crap who threw incendiaries at gas tanks at Tacoma Northwest Detention Centre and got wasted by officers.
This is what Willem Van Spronsen has to say about his actions
https://itsgoingdown.org/on-williem-van-spronsen/?fbclid=IwAR2lGYGAD-JWY1H8fIdmv_0TRnJicqfqjKPEVMJXGxOWO5Q4yaN7o27dW7c
Mark, by allowing HW you are acting as a repeater station for Faux Propaganda. That guy has a stomach for bullshit and an ability to projectile vomit it back on everyone rivaling the Exorsist.
Willem and other well intentioned reactionaries are inevitable and provide unfortunate fodder for propagandist. Agent Orange, or should I say Vlad, knows this. Musollini 101 again. If fascist forces like Faux News are determined to push towards destabilization they will continue to exploit this, and they probably can’t be stopped. His dismal poll numbers make this course of action all the more likely. Prepare your minds and bodies and equipment for the worst case scenario and anything less won’t seem so bad.
Making good progress in the fitness department there John? What are some of your PR’s? Haha
Every single one of you is in desperate need of psychological help.
Anonymous (du jour), you aren’t completely wrong. Agent Orange treason enablers are narcissistic personality disorder co-dependents, and everyone else is subject, to some extent, of their psychological traumatization.
Why should someone who tells the truth like me needs help? All I hear from you people is bullshit. It’s all wrong. Here we are in the middle of 2019 and every single bout of Get Trump hysteria has disintegrated into nothing.
Everything I said is coming true. That’s what matters. I am enjoying this process immensely right now let me tell you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVU6o7xg_Lo
HW I would say you live your truth more than anything that you say is true.
The good news for the rest of us is that I heard one of the ladies say we’re all on the squad if we oppose the Trumpster.
Oh really? I was wrong about Russian collusion then? Wrong about a long list of players and how it looked to you like they were really going to get Trump this time but they haven’t done shit? Wrong about elite child sex trafficking you still think? NXIVM? Epstein? Are you dumb, Sad?
EOS,
“Are you following the same polls that said Hilliary couldn’t lose?”
It’s not about polls as much as it’s about demographics and the electoral college system. The Democratic Party’s reliance upon GOTV operations is its Achilles heel. With a fully functioning voter ID and GOTV operation, the Democrats have a solid advantage in presidential generals and in a considerable number of congressional seats as well.
EOS: “Are you following the same polls that said Hilliary couldn’t lose?”
The polls you’re referring to were all based on scenarios where GOTV operations were reasonably functional. That was very strategically shut down in 2016, and from what I’ve seen so far, could likely be done again in 2020. There is clearly very little awareness of any of this.
EOS: “Sanders can’t even win the party nomination.”
I agree that he’s an extreme long shot, and even more so this time around than he was in 2016 when the Democratic field wasn’t so flooded as it is this time.
So, to summarize, Democrats have a solid demographic advantage in the key swing states and the majority of congressional swing districts. However, the Democrats reliance upon GOTV is their greatest vulnerability. Disabling, or simply severely damaging the Dems GOTV operations is a simple, easy, and efficient way to deafeat them in most competitive races.
“I think Trump should let the Dems demonize him up until the last minute.”
“Demonization” suggests it’s not an accurate portrayal of who he is. But Trump’s evil words speak for themselves. Democrats are not alone in recognizing that. You may not agree with their politics but they are not wrong about Trump. I pray for so-called “conservatives” who rationalize their inaction, because they have sold their souls. They are not conservative, they are craven cult members. Trump is a disgrace that the Republicans own and it is they who could end this disgusting travesty but they do not. Can Amash be the ONLY Republican congressman with any integrity left? It’s just incredible this is where we are as a nation.
“Is there literally nothing this president can say or do that would cause his supporters to say he has crossed the line?”
No there is not. I am convinced Trumps remaining supporters are either cult members, or money changers who have retaken residence in the temple.
“Oh really? I was wrong about Russian collusion then? Wrong about a long list of [blah blah blah]”
For the record, I am telling you this as someone who cares deeply about your well-being and hopes you get better, so pay attention: you are so delusional you can’t tell which way is up, or which way is down, you have terrible judgement, and you are 96% wrong about everything you blather about here.
The healthiest thing you could do for yourself do is lay off YouTube and social media for a month, and when you return limit your exposure to Q. Disengage. Focus your attention on music, and exercise, and gardening, and wood-working, and sci-fi/fantasy fiction. Avoid the bullshit interactions you’ve had with any of your anonymous “internet friends” or foes. I know you probably won’t, but this is advice you need to hear from somebody who knows you better than you think.
I say this as your good friend stupid hick: You really need to stop posting comments once a week. You should cut back to once every month. Trust me, for your own well being, you really need to post less often. You’re right about 47% of the time–which is a good stat–but you need to post once a month only (!), and do 22% less woodworking, but go for 7% more bike rides if you are going to achieve optimal mental health. I only say this because I know you better than you think and I am pretty sure you are on the cusp of becoming one of those crazy people.
#supersincereconcern
Why does nothing you say ever ever ever add up? You have been wrong as you can get about every single thing. What happened to Russian collusion, dork? What happened to every fuckin’ thing Bark Bitchard posted and all you suckers howled at me about? Not one thing panned out. No Americans at all were charged with shit. It’s all bullshit. You know it.
You have to try to disparage me because your ass is sooo thoroughly kicked after nearly three years of having to deal with me. It’s all going my way now. From here on out it’s looking forward to waking up and enjoying all the ass-kicking every day. Not only here with true knowledge and reason but in the news. Epstein is serious serious trouble for everything you stand for my friend.
I’ll sleep well tonight.
Maybe today we all see what’s what.
Rep. @AyannaPressley: “We are more than four people. We ran on a mandate to advocate for those ignored, left out, and left behind. Our squad is big. Our squad includes any person committed to building a more equitable and just world.”
Do I actually post here once per week? Maybe I should dial that back. This blog sucks! In all sincerity, I read your comments and you used to seem more thoughtful, more intelligent, more reasonable before Trump. You’re not the only one. Trump has brought out the worst side of many fine people. IMO you could be a positive influence on HW. Don’t reinforce his crazy delusions, pull him back in bounds. You have no idea, but I do know him very well.
FF, see what I mean?
HW, stop blathering nonsense for a minute, and just listen and take advice, for once. You have everything completely backwards about Trump. Put away the Q for a month and look at things with fresh eyes.
I don’t see what you mean, SH.
HW being right about no Russia collusion is not an insignificant thing. It was not like he was right while most everyone else was agnostic either. Rather, he was right and almost everyone else ridiculed him every step of the way. What is worse is the same people who ridiculed him have failed to acknowledge just how gullible they were to accept and push the false narrative. I am in wait and see mode on the big stuff and I don’t care to make predictions but HW has been great at pointing out BS propaganda and BS fallacious reasoning when he encounters it.
If you really know HW in real life and if you are actually concerned about him then why don’t you give him a call or meet up with him for a talk? Posting your concern oublically just seems like cheap and easy attempts at gaslighting…
Russian collision is hardly a settled matter. Thinking it is when there’s a trove of evidence still hidden, and which you yourselves support continue hiding by pushing that narrative, is literally definition of delusional. He & ff can’t tell the difference between innocent and not caught yet, like fucking 4yr olds.
Who am I then, Stupid Hick?
“there’s a trove of evidence still hidden”
Hm?
“The complete list of GOP lawmakers reacting to Trump’s ‘go back’ tweet”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/trump-go-back-gop-reactions-list/
“the difference between innocent and not caught yet”
If Fake John Brown does not like human rights he should time-travel back to less enlightened time periods. Fake John Brown’s ancestors were likely the witch burning type. They were the lynching without proof type. They were the “we can tell he is guilty just by looking at’em” type.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/us/trump-tweets-two-americas-blake/index.html
It’s not just HW that needs to get away from this blog and politics for a while and start experiencing life again without it. It’s every one of you. Do any of you really, truly believe that your quality of life is improved by the malice on display here? I’m sure it makes you feel good in the moment, but does it really make you a better person?
Anonymous does not get it. The people of MM.com are so lost it feels like an obligation to help them. It is a tedious and slow process. There are signs we are making progress though and that is a good thing.
The people of MM.com includes yourself.
I have been continually shocked by the malice on display here as you put it. I keep posting here because I like to see it destroyed. I assumed the people here would be capable of discussing issues without actually seething with venom but obviously I was wrong. Played it supremely tolerant until I decided to utilize my offense. It doesn’t matter if I do or don’t but it is good sport to squash liars with reason.
From a distance, it looks like everyone thinks that their malice is justified because others are malicious, when in reality there is no indication of who started what when. I am willing to bet that just about everyone came here and was friendly, but quickly got sucked into this hellscape of a place .
You guys just abuse one another continually over what exactly? To see who is right? To win? There is no winning here, none of you have changed, none of you want to change. What used to be a cool blog on local issues has turned into a toxic dump of people who are now just addicted to the rush of hurting each other. Seriously, take some time off and enjoy life for a bit.
Nope. Read my posts from the start. I had a kid gloves policy to not respond to personal comments for months. Quite a lot of individuals/different screen-names attacked me severely. Even today if you stacked up the hate posts against me vs. my comments mine are overwhelmingly defensive. If no one attacks me I stick to reason. If someone attacks I still bring the reason but now it comes with a side order of ass whoopin’.
I have never felt a single attempted abusive blow land on me from any of these wannabe bullies. So no need to worry about that Anonymous. I do cross certain lines of accepted civility with certain people because I feel like certain people only respond to the type of low down criticism.
In HW’a case we know exactly which parties tried to bully him. It was gross. The gross people have crawled into their safe-space holes. Good for HW.
We also know who tried and failed to bully EOS by chronically making up lies and misrepresentations. EOS is still standing. Good for EOS.
Generally though I am just applying SnoopDogs advice and nothing you say, Anonymous, will change it: “Put 2 on it with a foot on the neck and a shoe on it.”
You act as if you are some kind of Netflix series. No one is ever going to go back to read your posts and figure out who started this dumb school yard fight. In fact, I doubt that anyone even remembers or cares what you posted last week.
I am saying this out of love and concern. What goes on here is unhealthy. Mark writes about mental illness. I wonder how he feels about worsening the mental health of the people who write here.
I am concerned about the abusers here. Why would you think that I was worried about you being abused? You are all abusive to each other. How can trying to abuse people possibly make you any of you happy in the long term?
Like the color purple, lavender is a mixture of red and blue.
https://youtu.be/E4i3bAtEuJE
“In fact, I doubt that anyone even remembers or cares what you posted last week.”
Why do they spend their life verbally abusing me/FF/EOS then? That’s a hilarious pattern you do. You lie and abuse then when your target brings up a pertinent fact that belies what you say you fastidiously feign disinterest.
From here, it looks like you all abuse each other equally.
I’m sure “it” looks like a lot of things from there.
FF is somewhat thoughtful about these matters, don’t you think that social media and these unmoderated forums have really done damage to the ways in which people interact with one another? Compared to 20 or even 10 years ago? Do you think this is a healthy way for people to interact?
Of course Anona-tuesday is right. Here’s a good story about the new social media world, Nazis, and actual malice. I bet Anglin’s not feeling so great about himself right about now…
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/16/1872135/-Neo-Nazi-troll-Anglin-s-celebratory-mood-crushed-by-14-million-judgment-against-him
That’s good. Too bad for you you are a mirror image of Anglin. You both act as an irritant to try to foment race war.
Does posting as Anonymous absolve us like it has you, Anonymous?
I think americans have all done their share of online abuse, but I don’t think the country is better for it. I also don’t think that I am any better for it. I also don’t think that we interact with each other like this in person.
My feeling is that we are all being played. We used to agree on basic ideas of what was wrong, but differed on how to fix them. Now, it seems that we can’t even agree on what’s wrong anymore, so there’s nothing to fix. The end result is that we just insult each other over nothing, while the people at the top, regardless of party, make out like bandits.
iRobert, do you think this kind of discourse is productive or healthy?
No, I don’t. Are you suggesting you are turning over a new leaf, yourself?
I posed those questions seriously. Are you proposing that we attempt to argue politely and constructively here? Will you be attempting that?
I don’t think I have been impolite here. Have I?
You certainly have. Are you suggesting you haven’t?
Or, are you playing a childish game, posting as Anonymous so that you can claim it was someone else?
Posting as Anonymous apparently allows you to pretend you aren’t responsible for how you’ve conducted yourself. Is that not part of the problem here with which you are now appearing to take issue?
I don’t feel as if I have ever been impolite. I express my opinions, albeit they are different from others here and refrain from name calling.
I think you have been pretty polite as well, EOS. You and I have very different political positions, but I can tell you make a genuine effort to remain civil.
As awful as his views are, EOS is probably the least impolite person who posts here.
Though I am a different Anonymous than those other Anonymouses, I have been impolite in the past. Anonymous is right, it is pretty pointless. All the bad vibes crept into my personal life here and eventually drove me away.
This place could use a serious dose of moderation.
So, Anonymous, do you feel you need moderation to conduct yourself politely?
I can’t answer for the other Anonymouses, but I don’t think I need moderation to conduct myself politely.
My guess is that Anonymous is feigning concern, as a strategy, not to actually promote better discourse, but to encourage censorship. His/her expressions of concern always seem to come back to the idea of closing the forum or increased “moderation”. I am not buying anything Anonymous is selling. Sorry.
When someone here sees a statement or opinion with which they disagree, I think it would be refreshing to see them offer an intelligent, reasoned, and polite rebuttal. Isn’t that what civilized people do?
It is always seem to be the same pattern of proposals out of (perhaps) feigned concerns:
1) Close the forum because of Anon’s concerns.
2) Moderate the forum because of Anon’s concerns.
3) People should take a break from the forum because of Anon’s concerns.
Try fighting evil with “concern” and get back to us Anonymous.
Which specific posts in this thread would you moderate Anonymous?
I’ve wanted Mark to take his blog offline for quite a while now, mostly for his own sake. I don’t think it matters much outside of that. There are only a few people that read these comments anymore, and there never were a whole lot who did at its peak.
Is it attacking someone equal to self defense from the attack? When it comes to the law we know it is not.
A lot of people who used to pile on with that ill shit seem to have fucked off. Now it’s only just a few individuals with several nicks and the occasional interloper.
Seems like interest dies down quite a bit here when talk turns to civility.
I noticed Anonymous disappeared rather than answer a few simple questions.
I saw that Kellyanne Conway went on a rant when asked by a reporter which countries Trump was referring to in his tweets about “the squad.”
Seems like it would be simple enough to clarify the president’s statements. Can we not expect that anymore in America? Are we not permitted to know what the president is referring to when he talks about things?
It’s kind of nice being all by my self here on the blog. Now if only I could figure out a way to keep Mark from returning to post another thread.
Obviously war torn Somalia. It’s true they could use the help. Kind of doubt Omar would be able to though. What is she doing that’s any good here? If she violated immigration law with her fake husband should she have to face charges do you think?
I would think so, sure, but first a fair trial on the charge, HW.
Thanks for joining me here by the way. I was really starting to feel like nobody would ever talk to me again. I was beginning to regret all that civility talk.
I was the MM.com reporter who broke the story here on that one, HW.
http://markmaynard.com/2019/01/sisters-are-doin-it-for-themselves/#comment-943866
Nobody liked my joke though. I thought it was a good.
I appreciate the effort Mark makes to keep making posts to this blog and allow people to comment. While there has always been some whose posts were merely personal attacks, there used to be a dozen or so persons who created a community here where ideas were shared.
HW- I would encourage you to keep posting the information you share but get a thicker skin and forget about defending yourself. Your angry response only provokes more attacks. And when things you write about are ridiculed, but then become known to be true, the detractors will grow quiet.
FF – You used to be much nicer in your posts and were a good bridge-builder. I very much admired this ability. But I think lately you have gotten frustrated and I have watched how other’s negativity has worn you down.
Robert- You have always been able to add some humor to this blog and have made me smile a lot. I have learned a lot from your political insights.
Even the US House is having a hard time discussing things without constant personal attacks. Today they are racing to censure both Pelosi and Trump.
It could be different. We could post comments and be civil and ignore the negativity. We could disagree and still be nice about it. What do you say we give it a try and encourage the rest of the commenters to do the same?
I appreciate the feedback from you EOS and I will take it into consideration. I have always admired your ability to be polite and not give in to the temptation to “punch” back. I do wonder if other people punching back over the last 2 years has helped to afford you a little breathing room–which is a good thing. I remember a few years that people would make up some lies about your positions and you were the eternal target for attacks. That has pretty much ended. How we got here might have something to do with others punching back twice as hard….
Jean wouldn’t join the squad as AOC is a proud Bernie Bro and they wouldn’t have her.
I was with Rashida Tlaib for awhile. I like her positions and outspoken spirit. She’s increasingly embarrassing though. Her disrespectful and downright obnoxious interview with Martha Raddatz a week ago was about too much for me. She just came off as a not very smart, loudmouth asshole. A bit Trumpian. We lefties need to be more honest about out own.
The U.S. House of Representatives just voted to condemn Trump’s remarks, with all Democrats voting for it, and all but four Republicans voting against.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/house-vote-resolution-condemning-trump-s-racist-comments-n1030266
FF,
You and HW have deflected a lot of abuse. I should have been more vocal in my appreciation. But didn’t want to draw more enemy fire on any of us. Thanks.
I’d say more nice things about you guys, but I don’t want to make Sad and more jealous than I already have.
Mayor Pete is coming to Michigan !!!
I heard he let people in Detroit take possession of abandoned homes at no cost to help combat wealth inequality.
He ‘s a Keeper!
https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2019/07/pete-buttigieg-to-visit-naacp-convention-in-detroit.html
Is he driving to the liquor store in Niles?
Oh, I see. He’s coming to Detroit. Does he know the drinking age is lower in Windsor?
EOS,
No thanks necessary. I am not even even sure if the ridicule I delivered was effective…I do wonder though…The thing people might find funny though is that iRobert, HW, EOS and I are actually all coming from very different perspectives although we have often been lumped together primarily because we all stood up for each other at different points.
You’re all the same because each of you think you’re the smartest one in the room.
Men always stand up for the other men.
Please…..
Just like poor Trump is being attacked by the racist.
Is Jean using the Sad screen name now too?
Maybe now would be a good time to say I do not condone what Trump said. He should apologize–especially to the 3 who were born here. It probably would not have bothered me if he only said it to Omar, to be honest, but he didn’t he said it to all three. He messed up. His mini clarification “all I am saying is if they want to leave they can leave” is not good enough of a explanation, imo. If Trump did not mean to say what he said then he should apologize for saying something he did not mean to say.
And what the hell is going on at Planned Parenthood?
Talk about poor timing.
The force is strong in this one, gentlemen. He is resisting assimilation.
Sad nails it. Agent orange enablers are displaying solid NPD symptoms themselves. Paraphrasing: “I’m not an abuser, I’m the victim, you low IQ POS”.
I have never felt like I was victim here. It is not my fault when they swing and miss. It is not my fault when they are off balance and exposed after their miss. Likewise , it is not my fault if one of my counter punches does damage.
“ we all stood up for each other at different points” -FF
“HW- I would encourage you to keep posting the information you share but get a thicker skin and forget about defending yourself. Your angry response only provokes more attacks. And when things you write about are ridiculed, but then become known to be true, the detractors will grow quiet.”
They’ll do that either way. I don’t see anything wrong with burning some (all) of these fools.
Mar 12 2019 13:55:14 (EST)
>Decide for yourself (be free from outside opinion).
>Decide for yourself (be objective in your conclusions).
>Decide for yourself (be true in your own beliefs).
>Decide for yourself (be open to following the facts).
>Decide for yourself (be strong in defending your beliefs).
>Decide for yourself (be resistant to blindly accepting fact-less statements).
>Decide for yourself (be free)
Those who attack you.
Those who mock you.
Those who cull you.
Those who control you.
Those who label you.
Do they represent you?
Or, do they represent themselves (in some form)?
Mental Enslavement.
The Great Awakening (‘Freedom of Thought’), was designed and created not only as a backchannel to the public (away from the longstanding ‘mind’ control of the corrupt & heavily biased media) to endure future events through transparency and regeneration of individual thought (breaking the chains of ‘group-think’), but, more importantly, aid in the construction of a vehicle (a ‘ship’) that provides the scattered (‘free thinkers’) with a ‘starter’ new social-networking platform which allows for freedom of thought, expression, and patriotism or national pride (the feeling of love, devotion and sense of attachment to a homeland and alliance with other citizens who share the same sentiment).
When ‘non-dogmatic’ information becomes FREE & TRANSPARENT it becomes a threat to those who attempt to control the narrative and/or the stable.
When you are awake, you stand on the outside of the stable (‘group-think’ collective), and have ‘free thought’.
“Free thought” is a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma.
When you are awake, you are able to clearly see.
The choice is yours, and yours alone.
Trust and put faith in yourself.
You are not alone and you are not in the minority.
Difficult truths will soon see the light of day.
WWG1WGA!!!
Q
Yes, Sad. What is the point you think you are making?
I have never read anything from Q before. Well maybe a snippet here and there but it did not make sense to me. That was very clear, accurate and inspiring. Not a bunch of talk of lizard people like I was lead to believe. What do the people who always mock HW for reading Q think about that particular excerpt? For me it reminds of the time that one Mark’s friends through some kind of algorithm exposed his site to rural Trump supporters. Do you guys remember that? One of the rural Trump supporters, after reading Mark’s site, wrote to Mark saying something like: “Take a prozac and get the shit out of your ears.” We had professors (?), and people with advanced degrees (?), on here making fun of the rural Trump supporters not for the content of their messaging but because they mis-spelled some things. I have been saying it for about a year. People in University bubbles are vastly underestimating the renaissance of thought happening on the outskirts and in old manufacturing/ agricultural sectors….Those same University bubble boys and girls are also vastly underestimating how much the quality of their own thought has been degraded into various dogmatic shitpiles over the past few decades…
Anyway, wondering what the people who mock HW all the time are thinking about that little post?
It’s nice to see even JB is toning down the vitriol. That’s the mildest language I’ve ever seen him use in a comment here. It’s practically a love letter by his standards.
We have to congratulate ourselves on finding just the right amount of cesspool to keep Jean away. What business does a little French guy have here anyway? Hopefully he got Trump’s message and went back to Marseille.
@iRobert,
Please don’t kick the wasp nest/beehive. Leave it alone and enjoy the respite. It’s a beautiful day, isn’t it?
You’re right, EOS. It is a a beautiful day and I will try to just relax and enjoy it.
I’m looking forward to the opening day of the Art Fair tomorrow. I’m thinking about taking the day to relax and check it out.
John Brown’s response when asked about how he felt about John Brown Gun Club member, Willem Spronsens, acts of terrorism last week:
“Willem and other well intentioned reactionaries are inevitable and provide unfortunate fodder for propagandist. Agent Orange, or should I say Vlad, knows this. Musollini 101 again. If fascist forces like Faux News are determined to push towards destabilization they will continue to exploit this, and they probably can’t be stopped. His dismal poll numbers make this course of action all the more likely. Prepare your minds and bodies and equipment for the worst case scenario and anything less won’t seem so bad.”
Inspiring stuff…Plays well amongst the parakeets.
“Look at that Q shirt…San Juan, Puerto Rico…”
https://twitter.com/ImaTXTrumpGirl/status/1153410197525794816
FF– a Q primer for you. You remind me of my Pollyanna mom saying some horrid human “seemed like a nice enough fella.” Maybe dig a bit deeper.
https://bit.ly/2TeHisS
In this scenario, do you imagine me to be your mom or the “nice enough fella” who is actually a horrible person?
I am not very interested in investigating Q. It’s just not my sort of thing. I doubt I will listen to the podcast about Q. Did you find Aaron Mate’s article interesting?
FF- Lavender is not a mix of Red and Blue alone; It’s a mix of Red, Blue, and White.
White for socialism or White ppl?
Guess we’ll find out.
Bob– I have no problem with AOC having been a Berner. Some of my best friends were Berners. I hated Bill Clinton but learned to love his wife. Women I love sometimes support asshole men. They tend to do so for pragmatic reasons, with a sigh. Please note AOC has not declared her support for Bernie in this go around. It will be a big deal if she goes for Warren instead. We’ll see.
Before Q…..Ongs Hat
https://slate.com/culture/2018/10/decoder-ring-explores-the-interdimensional-conspiracy-theory-known-as-ongs-hat-the-man-who-created-it-and-the-new-form-of-art-it-birthed.html
Q primers from Jean Henry! Truly laughing. Why wouldn’t someone who wanted to know about Q go directly to the drops? Naw, what Jean heard is the way to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw3qwLWABNA
It was good to see and hear Ocasio-Cortez calling Yo-yo the Florida Man out on the floor of the house.
His response was to lie about what he said, naturally, even though there were witnesses. He’s filth.
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