Trump nearly doubling his death toll estimate, continues to urge states to reopen despite official White House guidelines

On Fox News yesterday, Donald Trump, after making the ridiculous case that he’s been “treated worse” than Abraham Lincoln, said that, in his opinion, it is now safe to re-open society. He then went on to say that, by the time all of this is over, the COVID-19 death toll in the United States could reach 100,000. As he was on Fox News at the time, he wasn’t pushed too hard, but this was a significant increase over his last public prediction, which was that around 65,000 American citizens would lose their lives to the virus. As for why he’s now changing his tune, it could have something to do with a newly released draft report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention which projects that, by June 1, nearly 3,000 people will be dying each and every day as a result of the highly transmittable illness — an illness which Donald Trump said he had “totally under control” back in February.

Here is the graph from the report by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showing the anticipated deaths in our future.

Why the President of the United States, knowing that this is on the horizon, would be urging states to weaken social distancing safeguards, and condoning the armed protests taking part across the country by his supporters, who are apparently intent on regaining the right to die alone on ventilators for their loved ones, is absolutely beyond me. What’s clear, however, is that Donald Trump wants to have it both ways. As Marcy Wheeler points out in the following tweet, he wants to force states to reopen, but, at the same time, he also wants to be able to point to the official White House stance on social distancing, so that, when the deaths start multiplying, he can say that his administration never wavered in their view that a lockdown was necessary.

So, just three days ago, we saw our worst one-day death toll since all of this started. [The World Health Organization reported that 2,909 people in the United States died of COVID-19 on Thursday, breaking the previous record of 2,471, which had been set on April 23.] And, today, the New York Times is reporting that, based on government modeling, we’ll likely be seeing “about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now.” And, in spite of this, Donald Trump was tweeting this morning not about the need to remain calm and listen to local public heath officials, but his own polling, and the fact that he was finally getting the credit he so justly deserved for his handling of this public health emergency. “Getting great reviews, finally, for how well we are handling the pandemic,” he posted. But, even worse than the pathetic narcissism is the fact that he continues to push people on the subject of reopening America… building on his recent, thinly-veiled calls to violence, urging his followers to “Liberate” their states.

What started with bold statements about how, if it were up to him, the states would be open, and photo-ops of him in front of giant “Opening Up America Again” signs, hasn’t diminished in response to the constant warnings of public health professionals. Sure, Trump, when he speaks about coronavirus, may now include a caveat about how people should wear masks, but, at the same time, he’s celebrating the actions of those who don’t. Instead of calling out his armed supporters, who are marching mask-less on their state capitols, shouting in the faces of law enforcement officers, and violating all social distancing and safety guidelines, he’s defending them, and encouraging local leaders to bend to their will.

In response to the armed protest in Michigan last week, which you can see in the above photo, Donald Trump tweeted that our Governor should “give a little,” adding that these men with their assault weapons are “very good people” who just “want their lives back again.” And, since then, he’s said of protesters everywhere, “See them, talk to them, make a deal.” And deals are being made. Whereas other countries have pretty much stopped the spread of COVID-19, our death toll is continuing to rise, and now, in large part part due to the President’s intervention, no doubt, more than half of our governors have rolled back restrictions intended to slow the spread of the virus.

I’ve said before that I’ve reconciled myself to the fact that everyone I know will eventually get COVID-19. I just don’t see ours as a nation capable of doing what other nations have done to stop the spread of the disease. I don’t see the American people ever assenting, for instance, to have contact tracking software placed on their cellphones. I thought, however, that we could at least be sane enough to follow the guidance of public heath professionals, and slow the spread of the virus, thereby giving our frontline health care workers, and our at-risk populations, a fighting chance.

Apparently, though, that’s not the kind of country that we are. I shouldn’t be surprised. We are, after all, a country that continues to allow for the legal sale of assault weapons in spite of repeated school shootings and the like. We aren’t big on evidence or logic when it comes up against the myth of American individualism. Watching the Canadians do the right thing the other day, and outlaw the use, transport, sale, import and purchase of 1,500 models of military-style weapons, kind of brought things back into focus for me. They had one terrible massacre, and, like the people of Australia before them, they did the right thing and immediately ended it. We, however, keep right on going, in spite of Sandy Hook, and Parkland, Los Vegas, and all the others. It’s just who we are.

A majority of us apparently just don’t give a shit about community, or science, or reality, or just doing the right thing. When it comes down to it, we only really care about the myth of rugged individualism, the unfettered ability to exploit resources in the quest to make money, and the freedom to do whatever the fuck that we want. And, to be honest, I guess that’s worked to our benefit for a while. We’re good at pushing boundaries, exploiting opportunities, and finding new ways to either extract value from people or kill them. And, up until now, maybe it’s worked to our advantage. I sincerely think, when you tally up all the good, and all the bad, the United States has a reasonably good track record. [Sure, there was slavery, genocide and the atom bomb, but there was also jazz music, defeating Hitler, reaching the moon, pubic education, moving from slavery to having a black president, inventing the fucking middle class, etc.] But I have to wonder if our moment is over. We may have gotten to a point, I fear, where the things that we value may be antithetical to what the world needs. How, after all, can a country that keeps pumping out assault weapons, even as our children are being murdered in their schools, be expected to address something as large and complicated as global climate change? [We can’t even spend a month on the couch watching Netflix when the lives of our elderly are at stake.]

We have armed people in the fucking streets right now, demanding their right to ride jet skis. And they’re doing it knowing full well that tens of thousands of American citizens are dying. It just doesn’t fucking matter. We can’t be bothered… A security guard working at a Family Dollar store in Flint was just shot and killed for telling a customer to wear a face mask. And, in Holly, a man shopping at a Dollar Tree wiped his nose on an employee yesterday when he was asked to do the same thing. I know there are good things about this country of ours, but, by and large, I fear we’re a nation of self-important, magical-thinking, sociopaths. And we’re now paying the price for it.

If we live through this, there sure as hell better be a reckoning on the other side. We need to confront a lot of shit about ourselves — like the Germans and Japanese had to do after WWII — and we need to have a comprehensive plan to move forward. And I don’t just mean that we need to institute national health care, and get the money out of politics. I mean we need to confront all of this bullshit in such a way that we never, ever forget it. We need mandatory classes on media literacy. We need a new Smithsonian museum dedicated to the critical exploration of Trumpism. We need a massive campaign to…

OK, I’ve been at this too long. I need to stop. I just can’t believe that our hospitals are going to be hit by another wave, and that other people will lose friends and loved ones, the way that I have. It’s just all so absolutely unnecessary. I want to think the best of our country, and say with some conviction that we’re better than this. But the truth is, I don’t think that we are. I don’t think it’s in our collective nature to do the right thing. And, sadly, a lot of people are going to die as a result.

update: He’s still at it. Here he is saying once again that we need to open the country, even though he hasn’t yet provided a proper testing infrastructure.

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83 Comments

  1. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted May 4, 2020 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Aloha interesting first hand account of the differences between how China and the US dealt with the virus.

    https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/3082162/why-american-mother-rushed-her-daughters-back

  2. John Brown
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    It’s a challenge to stay positive in the face of all this Idiocracy. My Canuckastan friends, observing the US remotely with great trepidation, have been declaring that we’ve irreversibly passed “peak humanity” for quite a while now.

    But let’s focus on the now and stop this virus. The people have to lead from below and overcome the destructive treason of the orange administration. Strictly adhere to State of Michigan social distance guidance and ignore the treasonous noise from the orange pie hole. It’s on us. No leader, or magic sky man, is going to swoop in and save us.

  3. Jean Henry
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    It seems the never Trumpers in the GOP are playing hardball. I wonder if they would have done so if Bernie or Warren were the nominee.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=t_yG_-K2MDo&feature=emb_logo

    The weird thing about now is I remember vividly the Trump inauguration speech where he discussed how bad things were in America for Americans in a way that was almost unrecognizable despite our problems. And now he has managed to make that vision a reality.

  4. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Who would have thought it might be important to have a competent, sane person in charge? Nobody could have seen this coming.

    On an unrelated note, that evil Democrat Party was out to get the president from long before he took office, and for no reason. They just have Trump derangement syndrome. Some people just hate him for no reason.

  5. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Sorry about my last comment. I’m just trying to speak for the Trumpanzees, as it seems they’ve disappeared again. I’m doing the best I can to fill the void.

  6. Jean Henry
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    iRobert– You forgot to declare yourself master of all reason and slayer of unreason. You called no one an idiot. It’s just not the same without the vitriol– either Hw straight up style, FF’s firehose Repub-splaining or EOS calling us all evil– after a piece.

  7. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    I am not a Republican. I just can’t take the Democratic Party serious at this point. It is difficult to take anybody serious who takes them serious. They are a complete disaster. Look at the Dems of Ann Arbor. Educated and supposedly competent yet they fail to lead their own lives in a way that leads toward social distancing. They are not doing it in their neighborhoods at all. My hope was this last weekend was anomaly because of the nice weather…

  8. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    I saw people failing to social distance and many not wearing masks, but I didn’t ask them which political party they support.

  9. Kim
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    It is amazing to me that anyone could read this piece and respond by saying that the Democrats are “a complete disaster”.

  10. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Bit Trump is doing a good job, right?

  11. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    iRobert,

    I think it is mistake to assume the Dem leadership just hate Trump for no reason. Many Dems are relentlessly trying to undermine him not because of mere hate; rather they motivated by their self-preservation instincts and a healthy fear of prison.

  12. Tim
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    I read that the security guard told a woman to put a mask on, she left, and then two of her male family members came back to shoot the guard. Which, if it’s even possible, seems even worse.

  13. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Are any Democrats close to going to prison, FF?

  14. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    I would guess 80% of Ann Arbor residents are anti-Trump. What would you guess? I have witnessed many people who I **know** are anti Trump and they are breaking the guidelines left and right completely unnecessarily—because they enjoy being social with their neighbors—and because they have more free-time now.

  15. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    “These things take time”.—Barr

  16. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Does it take three and a half years just to file charges?

    So, do you know the identities of the Democrats which Barr will be prosecuting and putting in prison?

  17. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    We need smart people like you, iRobert to give an honest assessment of the FISA abuses, Russiagate and Ukrainegate. Like you have said before the powerful always get away with corruption. Maybe we can change that if it is a bipartisan demand?

  18. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    iRobert,

    I imagine investigations take a long ass time. I also thing there is are real timing issues. Why did the Mueller Report take 2 years?

  19. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    I’m going to get a big head if you guys keep lavishing me with compliments the way you do. Did you see HW suggest I am “iRobert the Awesome” and that I “have awesome power?”

    Is there a reason you feel the corruption in the GOP and the Trump administration should be ignored?

  20. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Kleinsmith for starters.

    Is there anyone in the world who objects to prosecution around Kleinsmith’s act?

  21. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    The Mueller Report took two years because the administration engaged in unprecedented obstruction of the investigation.

  22. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Is Kleinsmith being charged? Is anyone opposing it, other than Kleinsmith and his lawyer?

  23. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    We have an obstruction thread here. I asked people to give their best of the 11 possible acts of obstruction. Maybe you can take a look at what Jean, Wobblie and Lynne said? Tell us why we were wrong rejecting their arguments? Maybe you have a specific obstruction you have in mind. Obstruction of justice is an impeachable offense. Let’s hear the specifics…

  24. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    I don’t follow the details of those investigations because the objectives of the accused were not achieved.

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Tim– the shooting in Flint (which happened as you described) was perpetrated by a Black father and son against a Black man. Chances are string this had nothing to do with Trump or Lansing and a lot to do with distrust of government and madness.

    The US is failing miserably in addressing this disease. That’s partly Trump and partly that we are a bunch of spoiled assholes who have forgotten ahow to act for the collective well being.

    The social distancing was being proudly ignored in Whitmore Lake and Brighton and in Ann Arbor. This is kind of a universal at this point. We just think we’re immune. The governor showed some ‘nuance’ ad FF requested and dialed back a few things and everyone went nuts ignoring all advice.

    FF has not acknowledged how incredibly wrong he was. He has simply chosen to attack A2 liberals for non-compliance … while defending protectors in Lansing. His double standard is showing… again.

    I almost called out the butcher at the local grocery store for standing in the open chatting 2′ away from a friend/customer in his white coat with no mask and no gloves. I’m glad I didn’t. I just called the owner and said I would no longer shop there. My son wanted a burger. He didn’t get one.

  26. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Wrong about what?

  27. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    I missed the thread about the obstruction. What was the date of that thread? I’ll read it.

    Dirty business is extremely common in politics. When attempts are made to damage a candidate, but are unsuccessful, it is usually decided that resources are best shifted onto subjects where the illegal or unethical actions were successful. There is never any shortage of such situations.

  28. Jean Henry
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    My understanding was that the FISA screw ups have been shown to be consistent throughout, that the mistakes made were not unique to Kleinsmith.

    Am I wrong about that FF.

    FF you were wrong that the Governor could be less stringent in her executive order without undue damage, Her recent pull back in concession to the GOP and protestors has been a disaster. You even indicated so.

  29. iRobert
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    I too have observed many people in and around Ann Arbor failing to adhere to mitigation guidelines. It’s even worse elsewhere around southeast Michigan. Many people are just a special blend of dumb and arrogant. That’s something that has been on the increase over a period of decades.

  30. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    “The social distancing was being proudly ignored in Whitmore Lake and Brighton and in Ann Arbor. This is kind of a universal at this point. We just think we’re immune. “

    I can agree with that. I am not trying to say one side is worse than the other in terms of social distancing practices. I think that is the point. Individuals are either going to take it seriously or they are not. Regardless of their education level or political affiliation. I hear a lot about the deplorable protestors making things worse. I have literally had Dem neighbors trying to talk about the deplorable
    protestors as they proceeded to try to invade my space. Trying to hand me food with their bare hands. Like you said, it is like they think they are above it. Very odd.

  31. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Because of where I live I am trying to give reports of what I see. I am not necessarily attacking liberals. I am judging my nearby neighborhoods which are almost 100% liberal laptop employed. I have not been to Saline or Whitmore Lake so I can not offer eyewitness reports of those places.

  32. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Jean,

    You are right that is the narrative. Comey announced the narrative months ago. It’s “systemic problem that we should be concerned about” as he purses his lips and squinted his eyes. Corrupt people find corrupt institutions to execute their corruption.

  33. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    iRobert,

    I searched “obstruction”, “mueller”, “collusion” and could not find the thread. I will look later. Need to do other things now.

  34. Anonymous
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    FF, you delight me. Who else but you, when faced by the reality of our situation, could come up with something like: ‘The Democrats aren’t standing up to Trump because over 60,000 Americans are dead, but because they fear going to prison’? You have no idea how much it delights me that you spend your time here, educating us.

  35. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    “FF you were wrong that the Governor could be less stringent in her executive order without undue damage, Her recent pull back in concession to the GOP and protestors has been a disaster. You even indicated so.“

    Not really. I am not in position to assess how all of the Communities of MI are responding to loosened restrictions. I see multiple workers in a truck and I think that is a stupid decision but I also think Whitmer should have addressed that issue. NY did early on. Not sure if they still have the one worker per truck rule. I am in a position to witness that the liberal laptop employed class, who is able to socially isolate with near perfect isolation, while still earning an income—and yet many choose not to. Too many, in my opinion are taking unnecessary risks out of choice because they enjoy social activity! That is a reality I witness daily. I certainly would prefer we allow risk when there is more of a need like running a business rather than a mere want born out of a desire to enjoy oneself during the pandemic.

  36. facebook stalker
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    According to some the man with the beard yelling at cops in Lansing is a Proud Boy from California.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/gdhocc/the_guy_screaming_at_these_michigan_cops_is_rob/

  37. Jean Henry
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    FF– you selectively nitpick on an Dem action or anything that negatively impacts Trump while giving our criminal president and all his GOP cronies a total pass.

    You can not and will not criticize them and until you find yourself capable;e of doing so in the same strange terms, then no one is going to take your nuanced’ points seriously.

    I am not holding you to any different standard than anyone else here. The liberals here regularly go hard against their own. You do not. You can not. That makes every other point here irrelevant, especially those about ‘reason.’

  38. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, for health reasons I take two or three mile plus walks through town every day. Here in Ypsi I see any where from 70 to 90 percent of folks wearing masks when they are out walking. Most people cross street or move into street to allow for pedestrian social distancing.

    This past weekend was clearly different. More young people gathering together. Looked to me like the beginning of the end of stay at home. Today though it is cooler and I saw lots fewer people out and about. I think the vast majority of folks are trying to behave socially responsibly here in Ypsi. But since we have already forcing more and more folks back to work, it is only a matter of time before the streets and social spaces fill up with people.

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    “no one is going to take your nuanced’ points seriously.”

    Jean again speaking for “everyone” and “no one” in her strange but ongoing campaign against nuance. Funny stuff.

    Do you think I would care if there were a million jokers not taking me seriously? Why would I? You act like you have some great prize you could give me if I would just jump through a few of your hoops. Wtf are you talking about? Your job is to be right about some things. You butcher the truth almost constantly.

  40. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 5, 2020 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    I agree this weekend was pretty bad. I also wonder if it was because the weather was so nice for a change. Hopefully…

  41. Posted May 5, 2020 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Well, when I rolled into Ypsilanti around 9pm last night, things looked pretty dead. There were a lot of people parked at Sidetrack, I presume for carryout pickup but everyone I saw was either waiting in their car or wearing masks. I drove through downtown and didn’t see a single person other than people driving in cars! I am hopefully not going to see too many folks other than during my daily walks so I won’t be able to report any infractions. I will most likely stop to chat with my neighbors while out walking the dog but briefly, at a distance, and with a mask on!

  42. Anonymous
    Posted May 7, 2020 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    It’s not only Michigan.

    Two women upset that they couldn’t dine-in at an Oklahoma McDonald’s due to COVID-19 shot and injured two 16-year-old employees.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-oklahoma-mcdonalds-shooting-20200507-dizigmu7bvbhddfntfrzdhnabm-story.html

  43. iRobert
    Posted May 9, 2020 at 5:51 am | Permalink

    I’d you think you’ve see a lot of people in Ann Arbor paying no mind to the pandemic, head over to the downriver area and take a look at how careless people are being there. It’s like there isn’t any difference now from how people were behaving before the pandemic.

    I spoke to a friend of mine in Atlanta who said he’s been seeing about 5% of the population in public wearing masks.

    It’s funny to me that people are this stupid…

    …except for the tens of thousands dying as a result. That particular detail is not that funny.

  44. iRobert
    Posted May 9, 2020 at 6:00 am | Permalink

    Of course I meant to type, “If you think you’ve see a lot of people in Ann Arbor paying no mind to the pandemic, head over to the downriver area and take a look at how careless people are being there.”

    Sad places his bet on Dumbfuck Day falling on May 18th. I’m going to go with May 15th. Anyone else want to get in on this action? When will the ICUs report the surge is back? aka Dumbfuck Day! It’s the day we recognize and celebrate America’s dumbfucks.

  45. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/05/health-care-groups-sue-governor-claim-michigan-coronavirus-curve-flattened-and-call-emergency-orders-unconstitutional.html

    Health care providers in our state are suing the governor to block her emergency powers overreach. Her actions are reducing the health of our State’s citizens. How can she order nursing homes who have at risk populations to co-house the infected? Families can’t visit but infected patients can be placed in an adjacent room, separated only by a plastic sheet, and cared for by the same personnel. How insane is this policy? Close shelters that were constructed specifically for COVID patients so that nursing homes are forced to admit them? Samaritan’s Purse was asked to leave New York do that nursing homes could be forced to admit patients. No, Trump is not responsible for the Wuhan virus nor can he be held responsible for governors who deliberately inflict harm on their populations.

  46. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    Our hospitals are losing tens of millions because the revenue generating treatments/surgeries are not allowed. Who thinks we will be able to have access to the same quality of healthcare that we once had, even after this virus is gone?

  47. iRobert
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    In what facilities have COVID-19 positive patients been moved into wards where non-COVID-patients were in the next room, or next bed in the same room, EOS? Where did this occur?

    If it did occur, who made the decision to move that COVID-19 patient to that location?

  48. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    I saw in on a local news channel this morning. Patients not in the same room, but a plastic sheet hanging in the hallway was separating COVID patients from other residents. The nurses lift the sheet to go between patients. Family members are extremely concerned, but they are not allowed to visit.

    Governor Cuomo was asked about this yesterday as well. I don’t remember his exact response. Really, what can you say to defend this incredibly stupid practice? Almost as if they were trying to kill the elderly.

  49. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/cuomo-didnt-know-coronavirus-patients-are-being-sent-back-to-nursing-homes/

  50. Anonymous
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    “Almost as if they were trying to kill the elderly.”

    Trump doesn’t get PPE to hospitals, refuses to implement national testing, says he has no responsibility, demands credit for saving lives. Cuomo leads New York, our worst hit state, through the coronavirus crisis and EOS suggests that he’s purposely killing the elderly.

  51. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/local/michigan/2020/04/12/coronavirus-covid-19-michigan-nursing-homes/2966437001/

  52. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    @Anon,

    About 35% of the deaths due to COVID in New York were of residents in nursing homes. Do you think the training of healthcare providers in nursing homes is adequate for containing this highly infectious disease?

  53. iRobert
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    EOS, you’re very right to be concerned. But Governors (and the President) did not order this. They will take action to stop the private owners and managers of these abilities from continuing to do this. The President can issue and order, as can the Governors. The ones with sense will.

    In the places where it has been occurring, owners and managers of those private facilities are making that decision. The President and the Governors should have been able to count on nobody doing this. Now they will have to enact more oppressive government orders, which you are so opposed to.

    I believe the people who have been involved in making these decisions to endanger non-COVID-19 patients by moving COVID-19-positive patients into the same wards, should be prosecuted for reckless endangerment.

  54. iRobert
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    The President can issue an order regarding this. So can any governor, or local government. The people who are putting COVID-19 patients in wards with non-COVID-19 patients should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If any non-COVID-patient dies as a consequence of this conduct, they should be charged with murder.

    The owners and managers who are doing these things are likely politically motivated. They’re doing it so they can then make the false claim that it’s their only option due to state orders.

  55. iRobert
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    Trump could order all COVID-19 patients be moved to temporary field hospitals. But he’s to anxious to close them. Why don’t you tell your moron President to mobilize COVID-19-only field hospitals, so all senior care facilities an operate normally?

  56. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/04/whitmer-orders-nursing-homes-to-transfer-coronavirus-patients-to-separate-units-or-special-facilities.html

    https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2020/04/06/coronavirus-nj-nursing-homes-must-take-virus-patients-back/2942149001/

    State governors are mandating that nursing homes accept COVID patients. Recently Witmire modified the order to state that patients be placed in a separate unit, which can be a hall in the same building. She is also designating “hubs” to take COVID patients that will also have uninfected residents. Wake up – the quality of training in nursing homes is much less than hospital ICU’s where employees are getting infected.

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/nursing-homes-cant-reject-coronavirus-patients-cuomo-says/

  57. iRobert
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    You’re right though that the Governors are also dumb for not realizing this is happening. They’ll be as criminally culpable as the president if they also don’t do anything to prohibit this.

  58. iRobert
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Families of the non-COVID-19 patients should be getting lawyers and threatening lawsuits. That would be the surest way of getting these assholes to correct their reckless behavior.

  59. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Comment pending has links to orders of 3 state governors.

  60. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    Aloha EOS you are falling out of the mold. Be careful, you might find yourself on the outside with the liberals. After all the MAGA crowd is openly referring to the Trump Virus as the Boomer Broom. They are embracing the senicide that is our new public policy. The sooner we get back to work the sooner we clear our society of the week. Strengthen the herd through purging the week and frail. Get with the program or get swept away by the broom.

  61. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    No Wobblie,

    That might be what the DNC and the MSM want people to believe, but it is only Democratic Governors who are enforcing these destructive measures. Fauci is a cohort of the Clinton, Soros, and Gates foundations.

  62. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Best thing that could happen for seniors and others at risk is to remove the lockdown and allow healthy individuals to experience a mild illness and then provide herd immunity, if that’s possible.

  63. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Isolate the sick and vulnerable and let life prosper for the young and healthy. After all, it’s their future that is being destroyed by the current economic lockdown.

  64. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Trump provided the field hospitals but local authorities told him they weren’t needed.

  65. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    It’s all about non-discrimination and ADA compliance. A facility can not discriminate based on disease status. We used to be able to make rational decisions when it was a life or death ultimatum.

  66. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Aloha EOS glad your finding your way back into the fold. Which of your loved ones are you going to sacrifice on the alter of “herd” immunity.
    I’m standing with the humans you go join the borg.

  67. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Aloha we get to witness how tribal loyalty can turn folks into advocates of eugenics. Watch EOS become a death cult advocate must be like German Jews watching their good German neighbors rationalize the cleansing of the race.

  68. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    The vulnerable won’t die if they remain isolated. Since the young and healthy are not likely to need hospitalization, they can be set free. The few who do get extremely sick will get the needed help at hospitals that are not overrun, because the vulnerable are isolated and not getting infected. Letting healthy persons build community resistance is the best way to protect everyone and to minimize the loss of life. Ask your wife.

  69. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    There has been an extremely small number of persons under the age of 45 that didn’t have any comorbidity that has died from COVID. Why should they be kept prisoners? They just need to avoid face to face contact with the vulnerable population.

  70. EOS
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    BTW, I have multiple co-morbidities. I will stay in the bunker until I deem it is safe to go out, regardless of what any governor or president declares. However, I feel the rest of the community should no be deprived of their liberty.

  71. Posted May 13, 2020 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    EOS, I hate to burst your bubble about young people but they are now finding that people under 45 are dying from this. Apparently they are getting strokes even after being otherwise asymptomatic. How prevalent this is remains to be seen because no one thought to test such patients for COVID-19 until somewhat recently.

    Oh, and while the virus itself is not Trump’s fault, his dismal response to it is. ‘The governors are doing the best they can under bad circumstance but they are mostly doing a good job. You wouldn’t like anything a Democratic governor does just like you are ok with a Republican one poisoning black children.

  72. iRobert
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    I agree with EOS that COVID-19 positive patients should not be put in to the “regional hub” senior facilities.

    “Originally, the state wanted the patients to go to the TCF Center, but that didn’t happen, and the facility was shut down.”

    I wonder why it didn’t happen. And I wonder why the reporter didn’t detail why it didn’t happen.

    From ClickOnDeteoit:
    Detroit lawmaker critical of Gov. Whitmer’s nursing home executive order
    https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/05/11/detroit-lawmaker-critical-of-gov-whitmers-nursing-home-executive-order/

    “It’s a policy New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo just changed in his state because of the high number of deaths.”

    Whitmer needs to wise up, as Cuomo did.

  73. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted May 13, 2020 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Aloha the Trump virus, the boomer broom, the savior of social security killed 1463 folks on Monday (90 fellow Michiganders).
    We seem to have hit a higher dip and are heading back up right on schedule from the call to liberate. More people going back to work everyday. EOS IS right reject the Leaders call and stay hunkered down in your bunkers. Demand the state protect the job of every worker who joins EOS and stays home. it is not a voluntary quit to put family and self first.

  74. Posted May 13, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    As Coronavirus Restrictions Lift, Millions in U.S. Are Leaving Home Again

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/12/us/coronavirus-reopening-shutdown.html

    Look at Michigan! Wow!

    Washtenaw County is a bit better than the rest of Southeast Michigan, but still getting out a lot.

    Livingston, Macomb and Hillsdale look the worst, not surprisingly.

  75. EOS
    Posted May 14, 2020 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Next week the weather is going to so nice it’s hard to imagine that many will stay inside.

  76. EOS
    Posted May 14, 2020 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    More likely, by June 1st, all isolation will be voluntary. Those who want to stay home need to find a job where they can work from home. We will come back stronger, with more manufacturing in the USA and less dependence on China.

  77. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted May 14, 2020 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Aloha EOS I love how you detach from reality and engage in magical thinking. Once were back up to 3000 dead a day, most in rural Trump voting areas panic will set in.
    I think we are some where around 40% probability Trump will declare martial law and cancel election. Co- Leader Jared is already floating the idea. The plutocrats who is the only base that matters to Trump are geeking up the brownshirts to create chaos.
    I so very much wish I had left this shit hole country a year earlier.

  78. EOS
    Posted May 15, 2020 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Q has some questions today that should not be ignored:

    Why did [D]s push ‘everything is fine’ narrative early on [ex: Pelosi China town]?
    Why did science board push [no need close China travel] narrative early on?
    Why did [select] govs push COVID-19 positive elderly patients into nursing homes [most at risk_proven] when surplus of availability in hospitals [+ USNS_Comfort]?
    Why are CDC numbers conflating COVID-19 deaths with influenza, pneumonia, other?
    Why are influenza deaths at [all-time] historical low levels vs years past [outside of standard deviation]?
    Why are COVID-19 tests returning positive results on pawpaw’s and animals?
    Why are [select] swing states undergoing heavy quarantine extensions?
    Why are possible [treatments][cures] being prevented and attacked [USA]?

  79. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted May 15, 2020 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Aloha EOS, he missed a couple of the elements of the “conspiracy “. He didn’t mention G-5, or Gates. What ever you do distract from the total failure of Trumps entire administration.

    The revolving door of sycophant Secretaries has destroyed competency throughout the Government. We all saw a foretaste of this with his administrations response in Puerto Rico.

    So have you seen the studies that are estimating a 10-13 shortening of life expectancy of Trump virus survivors. Folks will be cursing Trumps name for at least a couple generations.

  80. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted May 15, 2020 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Aloha also EOS new study in NEJM on nonsymptomatic transmission of the Trump virus in domestic between domestic cats and humans.
    We can just keep asking questions about this alien invader that we know so little about.
    We can thank our wonderful Leader for ensuring we had no one in authority who questioned his decisions.

  81. Jean Henry
    Posted May 15, 2020 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Well this is damning.

    Can’t wait to hear FF, HW and EOS spin this one:
    https://www.salon.com/2020/05/15/trump-wanted-less-testing-after-kushner-worried-more-positive-results-would-spook-market-report/

  82. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted May 15, 2020 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, the Leader is brilliant. Not only a solution to the pandemic but applying the same strategy with a1c and glucose testing we can eliminate diabetes.

  83. Anonymous
    Posted May 15, 2020 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    It’s a version of if I can’t see you, then you can’t see me.

    https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/windows-to-the-self

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