Ever feel like drowning America in the bathtub? Here’s the plan.

As hard as it might be to believe, the above image comes from an actual report issued by White House. The report, titled Delivering Government
Solutions in the 21st Century
, lays out the Trump administration’s aggressive plan for reorganizing (a.k.a. shrinking) the United States government.

[Can you imagine what would have happened if the Obama White House had issued a report quoting a fictional American… let’s call her like Michelle from Delaware… arguing, “Let Obama do what he wants,” or “Let Obama govern like a community organizer”?]

As for what’s in this report, it’s essentially the wish list of the Republican right, as so honestly articulated back at the turn of the century by “small government” jihadist Grover Norquist, the founder and president of the Americans for Tax Reform. “I don’t want to abolish government,” Norquist stated in a May 25, 2001 interview with NPR’s Morning Edition. “I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.” And that’s essentially what Trump and his budget director, Mick Mulvaney, have presented in this plan, which was clearly written with the input of wealthy Republican donors like Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers. It’s a detailed roadmap showing how, through the drastic consolidation federal departments, the dramatic rollback of regulation, and the elimination of social safety net programs, the U.S. government can be weakened to the point that, when held below the surface of the water, it can no longer fight back.

When asked about the plan late last week by reporters, Donald Trump laughed, saying that it was “extraordinarily boring,” the suggestion being that our time might be better spent elsewhere. And, if you read it, you can see why he’d rather that people talk about anything else. It’s a plan that would, quite literally, lead to the deaths of American citizens. And I say that without hyperbole.

Here, to give you some sense of what you’ll find within the plan, are a series of tweets from Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Laurie Garrett.

While it may be unlikely that a bill like this would make it through Congress, we need to take notice, as this is clearly their plan for the future. This, assuming things continue to go their way, is where the Republicans want to take America. So don’t be distracted by the chaos. Don’t spend too much time fretting over the fact that Donald Trump is hanging out with Corey “Womp Womp” Lewandowski just a few days after the latter mocked a 10-year-old illegal immigrant with Down syndrome who had been separated from her mother at the border, or pissed that Stephen Miller, the White House author of the child separation policy, is out there in the world, attempting to eat Mexican food. None of it is real. These are all just attempts on the part of the administration to get us talking about anything other than their judicial appointments, their increasingly cruel and racist policies, and these “extraordinarily boring” government restructuring plans that they’s started floating. This is always been their endgame, and now, with the Trump administration headed toward impeachment, they intend to give it their best shot.

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168 Comments

  1. iRobert
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    It’s too bad we don’t have much of a real press anymore. We could have really used them right now.

    It would also be kinda nice if everyone wasn’t so easily distracted by absurd circus sideshows. They might notice some of the mountains of shit that is going down right now.

    Well, it’s nice to dream.

  2. Eel
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Henceforth there will be two governmental entities; the Department of Bread and the Department of Circuses.

  3. John Brown
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    I have 25 years of service in the US govt. Prior to the overt fascist takeover the Govt was on a serious downward spiral already. Since W Bush especially there has been what appears to be intentional starving of the workforce talent pool by incredibly inefficient human resource group performance. On top of that the saturation of low level admin jobs with a high percentage of PTSD jar heads through “veterans preference” hirings is crippling organizational function. I thank them for their service, but they can really FUBAR civilian organizations by bringing military culture into civilian/academic/scientific settings.

    We’ve already created a Federal Govt Bureaucracy better suited to conducting never ending war than actually delivering services and better quality of life to its citizens. The right has a head start at sabotaging the organizational performance, then using poor performance to justify cuts. Wash, rinse, repeat but on steroids now.

  4. Sad
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    The left wing blogger wants to carry out Grover Norquist dream!

    Sigh!

  5. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    How is this any different than Republican policy since Reagan?

    Seems like cookie cutter Republican goals.

  6. anonymous
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    I’ve read the post twice now, Sad, and I don’t understand your comment at all. Did you take away from this post that Mark is in favor of the Norquist vision?

  7. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Wasn’t there an article on NXIVM on this blog? Can’t seem to find it.

  8. Jcp2
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    It’s a competing vision of how a family should function. On the one hand, we have a stern and unyielding father, who shows his affection only to his offspring that meet his standards of performance. On the other hand, we have a mother who cares for her children and supports them through all their faults. At this point, the father is almost an absentee parent, coming back for money after he’s spent it on some wild impulsive spree, while the mother is trying not only to take care of her own children, but also worried about her neighbors children, since those other parents are having a tough time themselves.

  9. iRobert
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Republicans are always saying they want to shrink government, but then never do. Government always grows bigger under their control, in terms of spending and “waste.” What they shrink are regulatory agencies and social programs. But those cuts always amount to less than their increases in corporate welfare. When they say they’ve shrunk government, they’re always careful to word it so the average moron doesn’t catch that it’s only those aspects that benefit the middle and lower classes which have been cut. I suspect they will no longer be bothering to cleverly word anything, now that bold-face lying is the norm, and that there is no longer a real press nor intelligent/informed public who’d hold them accountable.

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Did Mark scrub that article? Should come up with search terms like Allison Mack Keith Raniere Roger Stone NXIVM.

    By the way I don’t know about you but I don’t equate America with what the the federal government with all it’s trappings has become.

  11. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    There is zero evidence that Republicans are interested in “shrinking government.” It is astounding that people are so foolish enough to still buy that fantasy.

  12. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    So I’m starting to believe that this whole separating kids from their parents things was a calculated move to create outrage to force the rescinding the FLORES agreement, thus allowing the long term detention of children with their families– Similarly the coat etc were likely covers for this drastic action. Trump himself called it boring, which either means someone else wrote it and he has no interest (along IL’s lines of thinking) or that he doesn’t want us to be paying attention to it, or at least his base. I think we are dealing with master trolls here, and that there really is no length to which they won’t go to meet their ends. There is always at least one covert intention behind every action. And we have to be sleuths to figure that out, which means we have to suppress our outrage enough to be able to see clearly.

    While this is stuff the GOP have always done, they haven’t done it all at once. It’s the kind of thing they pledge to do and then dont because they find out these departments do important things. And once the impact hits the regular population in a year or more, they’ll be held accountable. But Trump has some true believers re both white nationalism and smaller government (outside of enforcement). It makes sense to me that after shrinking the state department of diplomatic capacity and moving to ‘hard strength’ abroad, we would do the same domestically.

    All of this of course will accrue more power to the executive branch. Remember the bureaucrats stood up to Trump effectively in the first year. Then they lost their jobs.

    Smaller government does not mean the dispersal of power into the private sector, it means the concentration of real decisive power into the hands of fewer and fewer people with less and less input. And it fold in a profit motive, which I’m not opposed to in all cases, but am very much suspicious of at best when it comes to delivering social services and health care.

    To shrink government and shrink regulations is a toxic combo. And yes, this bit is text book old school GOP.

  13. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Trump has repealed a shit ton of regulations.

  14. Lynne
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    We all get what we vote for don’t we? I mean collectively of course. I know/hope it is just a temporary bad mood but right now, I have pretty much decided that if there isn’t a huge turnout at the midterms, I am going to stop trying to change the government and start working out how I and my family can work things in order to be in the small group who benefits from these policies. If people keep voting for these policies, as they have since Reagan, despite the clear evidence that they are responsible for their pain, then fuck their racist asses.

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Yeah! It’s wayyycist! Listen to yourselves. FUCK their racist ASSES!!! Fuck your racist ass yourself. I’m not getting anywhere near it.

  16. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    If you do a map of government after this action, you would see the shrinking of any kind of service oriented, policy development part of government and a massive growth in enforcement capacity, most of which is accountable to the Justice Department and the Executive branch. The FBI and CIA have dodged Trump’s constraints on their independent strength, which really pisses Trump off.

    The one thing I take some consolation in is that the Trump administration, so far, has been obeying court orders, likely on lawyer advice. When they no longer do that, or the courts start to do their bidding, we are sunk.

    What fascinates me is that so many Trump supporters after complaining for years about Obama’s supposed over reach (not all of which I disagree with) will simply allow their guy to concentrate his own power in such extreme manner without any comment.

    I cant say most of the left wouldn’t do the same if it was their guy implementing their agenda.

  17. ALERT!
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    They’ve gotten to Mark. He’s now in on the conspiracy. He’s “scrubbing” articles on NXIVM!

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    I mean I know I read it on here. Kind of makes you wonder since it turns out NXIVM were major Clinton donors…

  19. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    ” FUCK their racist ASSES!!! Fuck your racist ass yourself. I’m not getting anywhere near it.”

    No doubt SAD and FF will feel a need to rise to HW’s defense again.

    Please note that, once again, HW took a generalized statement against the Trump administration and turned it into a personal attack. This is the person that SAD and FF think we bullied in excess.

  20. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    I dont remember reading anything about NXIVM here, HW.

    I’m still waiting for my check from HRC…

  21. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    That’s wrong Jean. She said people who vote for these [Trump] policies…fuck their racist ass. Well I voted for Trump and I’m not racist so I don’t appreciate hearing that shit.

  22. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    I’m crying for you HW. It must be so hard to be you. Truly.

  23. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    “I’m not racist”

    lol

  24. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    I’m fine. I enjoy wrecking these stupid attacks. Lynne puts her foot in her mouth at about the rate you put up false information which is to say a high frequency.

  25. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Try to locate a couple of brain cells and rub them together real hard, derp and maybe you can say something that’s barely coherent one day.

  26. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    “Well I voted for Trump and I’m not racist so I don’t appreciate hearing that shit.”

    If the shoe fits….

    lol

  27. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    I’m noticing the frequency with which HW uses the word ‘frequency’ and I’m wondering if he forgot to don his tin foil hat the last few days.

  28. EOS
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Less Government, More Individual Responsibility – A better world!

    For the first time in my life a politician is doing what he said he would. Good for him. If he pulls it off, he will be re-elected in a landslide.

    And that’s exactly why Deep State is so opposed. If they don’t stop Trump now, we will never go back to socialism. There may still be hope for our Republic after all.

  29. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    It is true that Trump and co, just as they figured out how to gothic elected short 3 million in the popular vote, have managed to figure out how to implement his agenda without much cooperation from Congress. It’s autocratic a/f, but his supporters dont care. It’s what they wanted. And yes, I think much of the left would be cheering the same kind of move to autocracy if it got them UBI and single payer.

    Let’s see how happy Trump supporters are in a few years. In the meantime, I think the left better focus on the midterms. His people are happy now and the economy is good and they will be going to the polls to support him. We have to get strategic instead of emotional. They have it all over us there.

  30. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Peace and prosperity. It has a good ring to it. These derps are going to have to enjoy it in shame haha – actually laughing out loud.

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    What do you mean “figured out”? It’s how our system works. You win the Electoral College and you win. It protects against the inherent population advantage in coastal cities. Otherwise the vast majority of areas would get the shaft every time. The number of red counties to blue was staggering.

  32. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    I smell Bannon all over this. I’m wondering how he managed to win by leaving the WH. But it seems he finally has the White House’s ear. This is his plan, as laid out on that white board a year ago. And he’s the only one in the inner circle ( other than KAC– whose husband has been gunning for Trump), with enough strategic smarts and clear-eyed cultural read to pull this off.

  33. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    “And that’s exactly why Deep State is so opposed. If they don’t stop Trump now, we will never go back to socialism.”

    lol

  34. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Yep Bannon and his ‘guys’.

    “Our guys have been in there since the start, grinding it out, and basically no one is noticing it except the smart liberals like Rachel Maddow,” said Stephen K. Bannon, the president’s former adviser, who believes the attack on social programs will be one of Mr. Trump’s most enduring policy achievements.

    “It is one of the reasons Trump is at like 97 percent with the base. This is what the base wants,” he said. Referring to the right-wing conspiracy theorist who hosts a popular radio show and the progressive consumer activists allied with Ralph Nader, who became a force in Democratic politics in the 1970s, he added: “Trust me, it’s not Alex Jones that’s driving things. It’s these guys — they are our version of ‘Nader’s Raiders.’”

    Philip G. Alston, a New York University professor and the United Nations special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, agreed with Mr. Bannon’s assessment. “My sense is they are making very considerable progress, even though no one is paying much attention,” he said.

    But Mr. Alston, author of a recent study on endemic poverty in American cities and the rural South, has a different view of what Mr. Trump’s aides are trying to do. “There is a contempt for the poor that seems to permeate the president’s inner circle that seems very worrying,” he said. “It’s done under the banner of providing opportunity and seeking long-term solutions but it all seems designed to increase misery.”

    The president himself is deeply uninterested in the details of policy and can identify only a handful of domestic policy aides, including Mr. Mulvaney, by name, according to current and former staff members. His policy operation during the 2016 campaign was skeletal.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/us/politics/trump-government-overhaul-safety-net.html

  35. M
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile the House Budget Committee is proposing drastic cuts to both Medicare and Medicaid, saying that it has to be done to pay for their over $1 trillion giveaway to the 1%.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/business/wp/2018/06/19/house-gop-plan-would-cut-medicare-social-security-to-balance-budget/

  36. iRobert
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    We’re HW and IL childhood friends?

    The deep hatred they express toward one another reminds me of one of those childhood friendships gone terribly sour.

  37. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    I have no idea who The 420 kushlord is. Never met him, would rather not (particularly since he keeps threatening me), but it is fun to ridicule him and the people he represents in the comments section of this blog.

  38. iRobert
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    That’s disappointing. It would have made for a good side plot here on markmaynard.com

    I was hoping you were BFFs as children, until one fateful day…you know, one of those sorts of stories. We all love those. Just being some random strangers who exchange insults is way less intriguing.

  39. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    No, I do not know who he is, nor care to.

    Most of the time I do not even read what he posts. I usually just react to a random sentence here and there, which is usually pretty entertaining.

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    I know who Iron Derp is. I never imagined what a pig he is. His name is all over this site. It’s stupid to try to pretend otherwise. Does he think if he covers his eyes the bogeyman can’t see him?

  41. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    I am sorry to disappoint the Mr. 420 Liberian Kushlord but I have no idea who he is.

  42. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    “I never imagined what a pig he is.”

    lol

  43. iRobert
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    I’m the same way. I usually just skim through Mark’s rants, and Jean’s essays. I sort of scan for keywords and then just make a random comment, in sort of the same way I might just blankly nod my head if I were listening to either one of them in person.

  44. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    It is great fun to troll impassioned right wingers, power fetishists, bigots and racists.

  45. iRobert
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    I try to atay cordial in my communications with HW.

    I’m hoping he can help me score some dope.

  46. iRobert
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    I don’t proofread any of my comments before I post them.

    I want Sad to feel welcome and at home.

  47. iRobert
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    I try to seem as agreeable as I can when commenting back and forth with JH. I don’t want to get cut.

  48. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Occasionally, I will make a serious attempt to post something of substance, which inevitably gets ignored. It is usually a waste of energy.

    Trolling the right wingers is much more interesting.

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Too bad you are busy trying to troll regular people, derpus. Racist little piggy that needs to call someone else that to feel better. Niiice.

  50. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    “Too bad you are busy trying to troll regular people”

    lol

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Keep looking for those brain cells.

  52. Iron Lung
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Phuuuuuuckkkkk so haaaaaaaiiiii woah 420 overloadICPediblescbdoilinyeyebluestraveler phuuuuuckkkk wheresmycardletsget stooooooooooooooooooooned

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    How can you humiliate yourself like that? It’s terrible. Actually laughing out loud at you, you clown puppet.

  54. wobblie
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    IL, your consistency is impressive. I’m even beginning to get a chuckle out of your persistence.

  55. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    As much as I enjoy IL’s bounce backs at HW, I do miss his larger perspective.
    There’s a lot to think about in more granular detail in recent events. Lots of questions. I would happily recede from view and just read if people with nuanced and informed perspective were commenting more.

    There’s a lot of condemnation and virtue signaling going on from all perspectives but not much real analysis. The trolling is at least entertaining.

    HW’s constant state of hyperbolic outrage and ego flares makes me wonder about his cortisol levels. Maybe the weed helps.

    I don’t worry about IL at all. It’s easy to see who here is reactive and out of control. My reaction to stress and insecurity is to consume a lot of Information. I know that makes me sound like a pain in the ass know it all. It doesn’t bother me at all if people skip over most of what I write. I assume most do.
    It’s there for those who want it.

    You’d be surprised maybe how little interest I have in changing anyone’s mind about anything.

  56. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, try to make people ashamed of Cannabis. That’s going to work great. I wonder how many people are lurking going jeez this guy actually is a total fuckin’ derp!

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    You’re out of your mind, Jean. I tell you what is going to happen, then it happens and you hate it and say alll kinds of nasty things about me. Your self-awareness circuit is busted. It’s like uh, this elevator doesn’t go to that floor.

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Now come in with how you expect a sexist to tell a woman her brain is wired wrong.

  59. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    iRobert seems to like to speculate wildly on commenters personal relationships.i can’t imagine coming here for the scintillating social dynamics.

    I find it interesting that he finds me threatening but not HW or EOS.

    My sense is he doesn’t have a lot at stake in countering their positions. I’m not sure what he has at stake in defending civility when he’s not putting forward snark. I can guess though.

  60. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    I think I’ll let that part of the comment and your own analysis of it stand, HW.

    “I tell you what is going to happen, then it happens and you hate it and say alll kinds of nasty things about me.” — This part though amuses.

    HW believes I say mean things to him because he is right.

    All HW roads lead to the conclusion that he is right. Sometimes constructing those twisty roads requires a complicated mental trigonometry but they will get there. Every time.

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    For example you said last week the IG report was a nothingburger. You thought you could clown on me. Now Strzok is on the outski and has to appear before Congress. Comey is fucked. Certainly any fantasies of obstruction of justice in Comey’s firing were obliterated. Pretty solid I’d say. Progress has seemed glacial but I have a feeling it’s going to pick up. Wanna bet? Hahahaha.

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    It’s really common for people who lack the neural plasticity to adapt to new information to attack the source of that information. You’re so brittle you can’t bend at all. You would just break. That’s why you are in denial about how much all this shit is going just how I said it would. They haven’t brought down President Trump with any of those little tricks you people got excited about every time.

  63. Iron Lung 2
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    “Actually laughing out loud at you, you clown puppet.”

    “controlled by the CIA”

    lol

  64. iRobert
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    I’m not really worried you’d cut me Jean. I’m just razzing you about that comment you made to EOS that one time. I’m also not worried that HW or EOS would assault me, or anyone else for that matter. Though I disagree with them on some things, they’re clearly demonstrated that they are reasonably civil people.

    Something I find interesting is that they are called racists quite a bit, even though they consider themselves very anti-racist. At the same time, I’ve openly declared myself to be a racist, a sexist and homophobic, and I haven’t seen a single comment condemning me for it.

  65. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Your definition of reasonably civil is truly bizarre iRobert

  66. Jean Henry
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    i Robert you haven’t said anything racist, sexist or homophobic to my recollection. I will certainly question you if you do.

    For most people their racism and sexism is not a static state. We all have implicit bias. We are all capable of racism, sexism and homophobia. It’s a good think to talk about in the public sphere.

  67. Iron lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    I think that calling women “dumb bitches” sort of violates any standards of what could be considered “reasonably civil.”

  68. Iron lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    Something I find interesring is how one can vote for a politician who ran on a platform of racism, how one can actively support policies which are racist, spread propaganda for said racist politician and policies and still deny being a racist.

    It matters not what one believes onesself to be, what one does is important.

    So no, i dont find it interesting at all. Tearfully claiming “I’m not racist” is standard fare for most of the right wing United States.

  69. Sad
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    Sorry anonymous i’m Often half asleep when I comment here ( as I an now) . It wasn’t the body of the text but the headline, I thought it was funny how he used a version of that Grover quote. I assume none of his readers want to drown America?

    Apologies again. iRoberts comment made me realize I don’t feel very comfortable here. Amongst all these intellectual heavyweights I can barely get in a jab.

    Oh well.

  70. Jean Henry
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Re calls for ‘civility’ –https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/trump-sarah-huckabee-sanders-restaurant-civility.html

    But again, I want to stress that HW and EOS in no way represent most Trump voters I know.

  71. Jean Henry
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/trump-sarah-huckabee-sanders-restaurant-civility.html?\

  72. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Why do you lie every single day? What a disgusting pig you are.

    platform of racism
    policies which are racist
    spread propaganda for said racist politician

  73. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    “HW in no way represents most Trump voters I know.”

    I’m not trying to represent most Trump voters you know.

  74. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    These two with their extremist ideology trying to marginalize Trump supporters is hilarious. To them if you don’t hate people with European ancestry you are racist. If you don’t hate men you are sexist. Real winning viewpoint there and sooo prevalent among the vast majority of Americans of all colors.

  75. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    “These two with their extremist ideology trying to marginalize Trump supporters is hilarious.”

    lol

    Most people I know call me too middle of the road.

    If misogyny, racism, xenophobia and a fetish for power are the standard in the US, and if loathing misogyny, racism, xenophobia and uncontrolled power are extreme, I am very happy to be extremist.

  76. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    “What a disgusting pig you are.”

    yo duuuude pass the bong phuuuuuuck 420redditqanonweedempire

  77. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    “What a disgusting pig you are.”

    A fine example of “civil”

    I guess in the Flakes and iRobert’s world, it is.

    lol

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    “If misogyny, racism, xenophobia and a fetish for power are the standard in the US, and if loathing misogyny, racism, xenophobia and uncontrolled power are extreme, I am very happy to be extremist.”

    Your assumption is extreme in itself.

  79. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    lol, right? I’m sure you need a break after trying to string a sentence together.

  80. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    “Your assumption is extreme in itself.”

    lol

    Toke up, dude

  81. Jeffery St. Clair by proxi
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    They should change the color of their robes to white. This decision will go down as one of the most infamous & destructive in the court’s history, right along with Dred Scott, Plessy, Korematsu, and Citizens United…

  82. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    You say that like it’s a bad thing. Most people are cool with weeed in case you just aren’t really up on things. Even a lot of people who don’t even smoke. It’s going to be legalized soon. I think just about anyone reading your posts thinks you are a turd.

  83. Iron lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Phuuuck 420 dude so haaaaai skulljesterbongediblescbdoilinmy eyes so haaaaiiiiiwoahhhhilefthedoginthecar

  84. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    *takes a toke*

    phuuuuuck dude this adult swim show is freaky woooah ICPedilescbdrubbedinmy eyes

    oh wait, I think I left the dog in the car #hopethedogisntdead

    phuuuuuuuuck

  85. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Oh, yeah it’s just like that. You know those stoners with the dead dogs in the car and shit like that all the time. You are a joke that’s not funny. Cynicism has eaten you like cancer.

  86. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    *takes a ginormous hit of his $5,000 gold plated bong*

    phuuuuuck this shit is goooooooooooooood

    I can’t hear the baby anymore

  87. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2017/07/room_infant_died_in_reached_90.html

    “Johnson spent time with friends that day and smoked marijuana, court records show.”

  88. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Oh, yeah like tragedies like that don’t happen like that all the time and have nothing to do with smoking herb. That is so weak. I’m very sure 99.999% of parents who smoke herb would never ever do something like that.

  89. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    The 420 Siberian Kushlord thinks is willing to overlook child death when it comes to marijuana.

  90. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/07/26/lovily-johnson-murder-infant-death/512266001/

    Six-month-old Noah Johnson, who died last week from suspected child abuse, was born with marijuana in his system and weighed only 12 pounds when his decomposing body was brought to a Grand Rapids hospital.

    “Ms. Johnson admitted smoking marijuana during that time,’’ an investigator wrote. “She did not check on Noah when she returned home.’’

  91. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    99.999+++%

  92. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    https://www.einpresswire.com/article/443572809/over-100-child-abuse-deaths-found-related-to-cannabis-with-rise-of-commercial-industry

    “Eleven deaths occurred in Colorado, while 10 took place in California. In both states, at least one child died where butane hash oil (BHO) labs operated, and numerous children were injured in BHO fires. The two most recent deaths in Colorado occurred last summer when a mother followed a cult leader to a marijuana farm. No one knows how long the two girls had been dead when they were discovered locked in a car covered in tarp last September. They were starved to death. An unusual death in California occurred when a babysitter went to her cousin’s car to smoke pot, leaving a 16-month-old boy inside. The toddler eventually came outside and the visiting car ran over him.

    Many ER treatments followed the accidental ingestion of marijuana candies and cookies. A medical journal reported last year that an 11-month-old baby suffered from an enlarged heart muscle and couldn’t be revived a few days after ingesting marijuana in Colorado. However, it’s usually not edibles that kill children, but other acts of neglect and violent behavior.

    In Florida, three children drowned when parents or babysitters smoked pot and forgot about them. At least 10 deaths occurred when parents left small children in hot cars while they smoked cannabis. The most common forms of death by neglect when parents use cannabis are fires, 15, drownings, 10 and hot cars, 10.”

  93. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    “The day after her son’s death, Lovily Johnson admitted to suffering depression. “She reported previous suicide attempts and was observed with linear scars on her left forearm,’’ court records show. “Ms. Johnson reported that hospital staff requested she go to Pine Rest on three occasions and she refused to go each time.’’

    She is mentally ill. No one in their right mind would do what she did. To try to pin it on weeed is so dumb.

  94. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    The 420 Siberian Kushlord won’t apply the same standard he sets for brown people to marijuana.

    He is ok with kids dying if marijuana is involved.

  95. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    How about deaths and other horrible events associated with doctor prescribed medicine? Don’t tell me weeed is even close to the danger of all that shit. Idiots do all kinds of things with or without weeed. If anything people who smoke are highly conscientious for the most part. The benefits to many, many people far outweigh the few idiots.

  96. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    https://www.texastribune.org/2018/03/20/texas-drugs-alcohol-child-abuse-deaths/

    “The 2017 report said marijuana was the most-used substance connected to child abuse and neglect deaths, followed by alcohol, cocaine and methamphetamine — and sometimes a combination of substances. The top causes of deaths were unsafe sleeping — such as a parent accidentally rolling over on their child — physical abuse like blunt force trauma and vehicle-related deaths such as a child left in a hot car or an unsupervised child being struck by a vehicle.”

    Amazing that the Siberian Kushlord does not take child death seriously.

  97. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    There is that weaponized illogic. “He is ok with kids dying if marijuana is involved.”

    No. YOU are okay with kids dying even if Cannabis can help them.

  98. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2015/06/15/safe-pot-tell-kids-died/71267330/

    “According to the Arizona Department of Health Services, in a study that examines all deaths in Arizona of children under the age of 18, a disturbing number of child deaths resulted from substance use. It was linked to the deaths of 128 of Arizona’s children in 2013.

    Guess which substance was the most prevalent? Not alcohol, not methamphetamine (although they were close seconds), but marijuana. In 2013, marijuana use was associated with the tragic and needless deaths of 62 children in Arizona.”

    Amazing. What a sad man. He can’t see the truth through the pot haze.

    Marijuana kills.

  99. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Why do you hate something that helps children not to have seizures? Why don’t you find it outrageous clinical trials for treating numerous diseases are all but completely blocked by NIDA? Like I said cynicism and ignorance have destroyed your heart and mind.

  100. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Many-child-neglect-or-abuse-fatalities-linked-to-12881707.php

    “A 6-month-old who died from severe head trauma by a caregiver who confessed to have been smoking marijuana;

    Statewide, marijuana was the substance most identified in child abuse and neglect-related fatalities, representing more than half of cases. In 2017, DFPS investigated almost 47,000 families where substance abuse was involved, according to one report.

    In some instances, substance abuse by parents is so severe that the state removes the child.”

    Unbelievable that the Lierian Kushlord can’t see it. So many children, so little interest from the Liberian Kushinator.

  101. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Butane fuckups happen because of the laws forcing it underground. People who run over their kids? Hahaha, I’m sure. You are saying that since that happened once or twice when someone was stoned then that goes against weeed. That’s a fallacy. I’m sure you have sited it before in your life. Correlation is not evidence of causation. They ran over the child because they are a dumbass or didn’t know he was there. Sure they smoked but a lot of millions of people smoke every day and don’t have a fuckup like that ever.

  102. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    https://wgntv.com/2018/03/27/mom-charged-after-2-kids-die-in-gary-fire/

    “Kristen Gober was taken into custody for outstanding warrants, police said. She is now additionally charged with neglect of a dependent causing death, neglect of a dependent and possession of marijuana.”

  103. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    “A 6-month-old who died from severe head trauma by a caregiver who confessed to have been smoking marijuana”

    Again that is a fallacy. Oh, yeah “I was high – I didn’t know what I was doing. I don’t even remember doing it that weed was so strong, your honor.” You can’t win with fallacies.

  104. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Note how the 420 Kushinator trivializes the death of these poor children.

    Marijuana kills.

  105. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/health/os-child-left-in-car-20110525-story.html

    “Last week, a Deltona woman was arrested on a charge of child neglect after her 8-month-old son was found unattended in a car in a grocery-store parking lot.

    Jordan White, 25, also faces a misdemeanor charge of marijuana possession, Volusia County Sheriff’s spokesman Brandon Haught said.

    Children can die in an enclosed car when the temperature outside is only 70 degrees, according to the San Francisco State study, but most deaths occur in the summer months when the temperatures are much higher.

    On average, the temperature inside an enclosed car rises 19 degrees in 10 minutes and 43 degrees in an hour, the study found.”

  106. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    http://fox59.com/2017/11/21/muncie-mom-charged-with-neglect-after-baby-breaks-leg-tests-positive-for-marijuana/

    “A Muncie mother was arrested Monday after police say her baby suffered a broken leg and tested positive for marijuana.

    Tessa Murray, 23, has been charged with two counts of neglect of a dependent as a result.

    Police began investigating the case after the 10-month-old was brought to IU Ball Memorial Hospital. When officers arrived, they learned the baby had suffered a dislocated femur fracture.

    According to a police report, Murray changed her story about how the baby was injured. First she said her baby fell off a couch, later she said a 9-year-old pulled the child off.

    During an interview with investigators, Murray gave consent for officers to search her phone. That’s when officers say they found numerous texts between her and her boyfriend.

    In one message, the boyfriend told Murray that her daughter “prolly need some weed and she will be good for now,” according to the police report.”

  107. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Oh, yeah the terrible toll of the mariwanna deaths. I mean that weeed. It’s so deadly. If a dumbass smokes it clear the area because chances are you gonna DIE from some dumbass thing! The thing is too – you can never what a dumbass on weeed is going to do so…it could be anything!!!

  108. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    …never GUESS what a dumbass…

  109. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4593739/

    “Current marijuana use was positively related to frequency of child physical abuse… Density of medical marijuana dispensaries and delivery services was positively related to frequency of physical abuse. As marijuana use becomes more prevalent, those who work with families, including child welfare workers must screen for how marijuana use may affect a parent’s ability to provide for care for their children, particularly related to physical abuse.”

  110. Jcp2
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    It could even be posting on a blog! While stoned!

  111. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-new-brain/201603/marijuana-use-increases-violent-behavior

    “One fifth of those who were pot smokers (22%) reported violent behavior that began after beginning to use cannabis, whereas only 0.3% reported violence before using weed. Continued use of cannabis over the life-time of the study was the strongest predictor of violent convictions, even when the other factors that contribute to violent behavior were considered in the statistical analysis. “

  112. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Jay See Pee Too, how nice to see you.

  113. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Clearly, marijuana is not as harmless as its users would have us believe.

  114. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11286431

    “Greater frequency of use of marijuana was found unexpectedly to be associated with greater likelihood to commit weapons offenses; and this association was not found for any of the other drugs, except for alcohol. Marijuana use was also found associated with commission of Attempted Homicide/Reckless Endangerment offenses. Cocaine/crack and marijuana were the only two types of drugs the frequency of use of which was found, for this sample, to be significantly related to the frequency of being involved in the selling of drugs. These findings may not apply to a middle-class African-American sample.”

  115. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    In some places you probably will have to fight when you reach a certain age. They smoke weeed there like they do all the other places. It doesn’t cause you to fight. That’s retarded.

  116. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Clearly, marijuana might not be as “safe” a drug and marijuana users, whose judgement is clouded by addiction, might lead us to believe.

  117. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    You are just like Jean. You never think these things through. Gang violence? That is because of the laws that made a black market in the first place. Derrr!

  118. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Oh, yeah that is going to go over well with reasonable people – addiction to mariwanna…

  119. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26961342

    “Multivariable logistic regression revealed that compared with never-users, continued exposure to cannabis (use at age 18, 32 and 48 years) was associated with a higher risk of subsequent violent behaviour, as indexed by convictions [odds ratio (OR) 7.1, 95% confidence interval (CI) 2.19-23.59] or self-reports (OR 8.9, 95% CI 2.37-46.21). This effect persisted after controlling for other putative risk factors for violence. In predicting violence, fixed-effects analysis and cross-lagged modelling further indicated that this effect could not be explained by other unobserved time-invariant factors. Furthermore, these analyses uncovered a bi-directional relationship between cannabis use and violence.”

  120. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    https://luxury.rehabs.com/drug-detox/marijuana-withdrawal-symptoms/

    “In a study done on nearly 500 marijuana users who attempted to quit using the drug, about 30% relapsed because the withdrawal symptoms were too much to handle. This result provides some evidence that marijuana addiction is a legitimate problem. In fact, the presence of marijuana withdrawal is one of the diagnostic criteria for cannabis use disorder according to the American Psychiatric Association.

    Of the 469 marijuana users studied, 25% were considered heavy users, claiming to have smoked marijuana more than 10,000 times. Of those heavy users, more than 42% had experienced at least one withdrawal symptom when they tried to quit. The most commonly reported symptoms of marijuana withdrawal were boredom, anxiety, irritability, increased cravings, and sleeping problems. More than 78% of this heavy-use group started smoking marijuana again in order to alleviate the symptoms.’

    Marijuana advocates have tried for years to convince us that marijuana is 100% safe. This is clearly not the case at all. Perhaps they are too stoned to see the problem.

  121. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306460306003960

    “The present investigation examined the relation between anxiety sensitivity (AS) and marijuana withdrawal severity among 84 (47 female) young adult marijuana smokers. As expected, after covarying for the theoretically-relevant variables of frequency of past 30-day marijuana use, number of cigarettes smoked per day, volume of alcohol consumed, and anxious arousal as well as anhedonic depressive symptoms, both the global AS factor and the AS-mental incapacitation concerns factor were significantly related to the severity of retrospectively reported marijuana withdrawal symptoms.”

  122. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Obviously if delinquents tend to smoke that doesn’t mean smokers tend to be delinquent. It’s fallacy.

  123. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    There are no withdrawal symptoms of Cannabis. That is dumb. They relapsed because the withdrawal symptoms were too much! Hahaha!

  124. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/7xz83x/the-deeply-unchill-things-that-happened-when-i-tried-to-quit-weed

    “When I got home from work that day, I craved weed vaguely. I was triggered, I joked to myself, by the memories of my old routine. Instead of smoking, I looked at the Reddit page for people who are trying to quit weed—which was a mistake! Horrifyingly, there were all these posts that said the symptoms of weed withdrawal—which I was already experiencing big time—would last for months. My sleep had been poor. My throat was sore and it seemed like I had the flu, or something. My lungs hurt periodically and I was cranky.”

    At one time, drug advocates even tried to convince us that cocaine was not addictive.

  125. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    “I got up, walked to the bathroom, and, when I got to the doorway, turned on the lights. As I acutely felt the electromagnetic radiation burning holes in my eyes, I recoiled and flipped the switch back. Then, in the dark, I proceeded to walk into the tiled wall near the shower, headfirst, and collapsed to the floor crying. It didn’t even hurt.”

  126. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    https://www.lib.umich.edu/articles/details/FETCH-LOGICAL-a1834-a5b225a043388fd86fcc9b3ab813aba0441b2a8b2097f552408fb85477bf700a3

    “Although marijuana is the most commonly used illicit drug in the United States, it is not established whether withdrawal from chronic use results in a clinically significant abstinence syndrome. The present study was conducted to characterize symptoms associated with marijuana withdrawal following chronic use during a supervised 28-day abstinence period. Three groups of participants were studied: (a) current chronic marijuana users, (b) former chronic marijuana users who had not used marijuana for at least 6 months prior to the study, and (c) marijuana nonusers. Current users experienced significant increases in anxiety, irritability, physical tension, and physical symptoms and decreases in mood and appetite during marijuana withdrawal. These symptoms were most pronounced during the initial 10 days of abstinence, but some were present for the entire 28-day withdrawal period. These findings support the notion of a marijuana withdrawal syndrome in humans”

  127. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    That’s totally unscientific. If you believe you are addicted then to you you are. Some people are treating the symptoms of assholism or some other ailment with herb and when they stop smoking guess what happens?

  128. John Brown
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    I’m definitely voting against legal weed. Given that the other side tends to show a preference for methamphetamine, we’re going to have our work cut out for us without everybody being stoned too. Besides, Monsanto is going to “phhuuuck iiitt upp duuuuuuude”

  129. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2000/11/researchers-identify-symptoms-of-marijuana-withdrawal/

    “Irritability, anxiety and physical tension, plus decreases in appetite and mood, were experienced by regular marijuana users who quit the drug for four weeks during a study conducted at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Mass. Sixty percent of those in the study experienced “significant symptoms” of withdrawal, said the researchers, Elena M. Kouri and Harrison Pope. Kouri and Pope are Harvard researchers. “Most people think marijuana is a benign drug, and there is disagreement in the scientific community about whether withdrawal causes significant symptoms. This study shows that using marijuana for a long time has consequences,” said Kouri.”

  130. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    “Besides, Monsanto is going to “phhuuuck iiitt upp duuuuuuude””

    phuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck so haaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiii powerfulGMO420kusweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

  131. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Smart people around here! Very compassionate, intelligent and forward thinking and not racist at all.

  132. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Who are we to listen to regarding marijuana?

    The local addict indifferent to the lives of pets and children or the addiction researchers trying to save people and pets from the scourge of drug addiction?

  133. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Ahahaha! Addict! I’m not an addict thanks to herb. Any doctor would have given me pain pills for my symptoms. I help people get off drugs.

  134. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Shifting them from one addiction to another, increasing their chance of doing violence or allowing a pet to die in a car.

    Sick.

  135. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    But if I don’t smoke I am fine so how could it be addiction?

  136. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    “increasing their chance of doing violence or allowing a pet to die in a car.”

    You stunted little mind, your stupidity is truly shocking.

  137. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    “But if I don’t smoke I am fine so how could it be addiction?”

    “I don’t have lung cancer so smoking doesn’t cause lung cancer.”

    lol

    Stoned mind == stunted mind

  138. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Those statements aren’t analagous and I only said one of them. Stunted is right. You never thought about logic in your life or what?

  139. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    *analogous*

  140. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    You see? It’s very different to say I am fine when I don’t smoke so how could my smoking be considered addiction than it is to say I’m not addicted so no one else could possibly be addicted. Give logic a chance.

  141. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    “My uncle John smoked all his live and did not have lung cancer, so tobacco must not cause lung cancer.”

    Truly the silliest thing that smokers say, about as silly as saying “When I don’t smoke weed I am fine so everyone else who abuses weed must be fine too.”

    “Give logic a chance.”

    lol

  142. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    You still don’t get it. It’s not addictive because it’s just not. That is well known outside biased NIDA-sponsored research. I’m not addicted because I have no symptoms when I don’t smoke for any amount of time. I smoke because I like it. No problem. You have a major problem with ignorance. It’s ironic because if anyone would benefit from getting really high it’s you.

  143. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    “It’s not addictive because it’s just not. ”

    lol What??

    “The sun is yellow because it is yellow.”

    “Apples are apples because they are apples.”

  144. Iron Lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Phuuuuuuckkkkk I like weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed sooooo it must be goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood

    Tell that to those dead dogs and kids.

  145. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    There are no physiological effects of cessation of Cannabis use. The only thing you might see is symptoms return that the Cannabis was treating.

  146. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Tell your ideas to parents whose kids have a life because of Cannabis sativa and medical marijuana growers.

  147. wobblie
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    IL, I guess you are 100% behind Sessions? The war on drugs is a good thing? I understand you like to make fun of HW, but what is your point? Red Meat (and the industries that create and bring it to us) are far more destructive than pot. Addiction in and of itself is no big deal, it is the social ramifications that make some thing big. Who cares if HW wants to smoke, it is those meat eaters that are ruining the planet. Next, we’ll talk about the evil sea food industry–jail time for shrimp addicts.

  148. Iron lung
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    All use, manufacture and production of marijuana by white people should be punishable by life imprisonmemt without trial.

    If we are going to jail poor brown families for the crime of seeking a better life in the name of “protecting children” then white weed users should be similarly impacted since marijuana presents clear dangers to both pets and children.

  149. Jean Henry
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    IL has been clear that he supports legalized marijuana. He apparently also thinks it’s neither benign nor a cure-all. That’s a reasonable position.

    There is a serious lack of appreciation for the absurd around here. Everyone is too damned earnest. I’m usually the most self-serious Ernest persona in any room, but this crowd… man.

  150. Jean Henry
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie– I have a pot of short ribs braising in the oven. Come over and get some. But please don’t arrest me.

  151. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    What universe do you live in where you read what he writes and that’s what you get out of it?

  152. Jean Henry
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    “One fifth of those who were pot smokers (22%) reported violent behavior that began after beginning to use cannabis, whereas only 0.3% reported violence before using weed. Continued use of cannabis over the life-time of the study was the strongest predictor of violent convictions, even when the other factors that contribute to violent behavior were considered in the statistical analysis.”-
    –This would seem to explain so much about HW.

    “Some people are treating the symptoms of assholism or some other ailment with herb”– HW

    … It’s not working, HW.

  153. Jean Henry
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    HW– I live in a universe where I read what IL’s comments and can discern the difference between when he is being serious and when he is fucking with you.

    He has said clearly that he supports legalized marijuana but thinks it’s a shitty drug.

  154. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Why would he lie with all this bogus information if he supported it? Just to try to fuck with me? How moronic is that?

  155. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think you go around mocking stoners like a monkey with a crack cocaine access lever if you support legalization either.

  156. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    How is it supposed to fuck with me anyway? IL fucks with the world by being so idiotic but that is about it. I’ll never be ashamed of smoking Cannabis or eating it or growing it or anything having to do with it. It’s a futile campaign. .

  157. Jcp2
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Scenario A.
    1. Trump consolidates federal law enforcement agencies into one Homeland Security department.
    2. Homeland Security enforces all federal laws within 100 miles of border or coastline with zero discretionary interpretation of the law.
    3. Marijuana use is prosecuted as the schedule I drug that it is.
    4. Hash bash becomes obsolete.
    5. HW wonders where it all went wrong as he contemplates real jail time for use, blames Deep State.

    Scenario B.
    1. Marijuana becomes fully legalized.
    2. Emboldened consumers demand quality, consistency, and pricing.
    3. Large companies with the infrastructure to it into place well recognized best manufacturing practices move into the market.
    4. A few bad outcomes reveal the true civil liabilities in producing products with active pharmaceutical effect.
    5. Consumers and large producers successfully lobby for industry standards for production quality.
    6. HW wonders where it all went wrong as his side gig as a supplier fades away, blames Deep State.

  158. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Eww, that’s a horrible outlook. The Schedule I drug that it is! You agree with that Jay See Pee Too? Wow. That’s crazy.

  159. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    What is really going to happen is next year all Michigan adults will be able to grow and possess Cannabis sativa. Bad for derps only.

  160. Jean Henry
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    HW— I’m going to suggest that you monitor your blood pressure while on MM. IL for sure hates marijuana. That doesn’t mean he thinks it should be illegal. I’m no great fan of alcohol and am very aware of the societal and personal issues excessive alcohol use creates, but I don’t support prohibition.
    …So anyway, when IL writes something nasty about weed or about your reasoning due to excessive weed consumption, and your stoned, copacetic base-level blood pressure rises, he’s fucking with you. Now you can tell.

  161. Jean Henry
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    When weed for personal consumption is legal in Michigan, some people will have more problems, some people will have fewer problems, a lot of white people will get rich, and poor POC who grew and dealt weed when it was illegal will continue to rot in jail or will be prohibited from using their considerable knowledge to profit from legal pot. Oh and the government will get lots of tax revenue.

    All in All, probably For the best, but I sure wish they’d fix the equity issue in all of it. And I hope they figure out how to regulate it properly.

  162. Jcp2
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    http://www.westword.com/marijuana/colorados-consequences-of-fda-approved-cbd-drug-will-be-different-from-most-of-us-10472017

    Maybe legalized marijuana derived medication will look more like “big pharma” than HW would like. After all, when most people buy something , they want to have some assurance than what they buy is consistently of a certain quality. Otherwise there would only be small artisan producers of just about anything, and Starbucks wouldn’t be Starbucks.

  163. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Waah waah waah

    Jean, you are ridiculous. Legal weeed is wayyycist! Everything is racist to you.

  164. Jean Henry
    Posted June 26, 2018 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    HW— thought you knew this issue?
    If you have a prior pot conviction and served time, you can not participate in legal marijuana trade in most states. In California you can apply for ‘resentencing’ to end that. Marijuana convictions with time served disproportionately impact POC. So yes. In a country with systemic racism, you will find evidence of inequity everywhere, including the weed trade.

    Points to California for trying to figure it out, but for now, legal weed is mighty White. I know a few people in that business. They’ve done very very well.

  165. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 27, 2018 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    Waah waah waah!

    We are moving forward under our own power. Growers are responsible for past and present failures of law enforcement exactly how?

  166. Jean Henry
    Posted June 27, 2018 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    I didn’t say growers were responsible. I said the current regulations for legal marijuana cultivation excludes people with prior convictions. I dont blame legal pot cultivators or vendors for the problems of ass incarceration.
    Your lack of consideration for the systemic marginalization of POC is noted though.
    Again…

  167. Jean Henry
    Posted June 27, 2018 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    “mass incarceration” –although that one cracked me up.

  168. Iron Lung
    Posted June 27, 2018 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    All “growers” who are of white European descent should be imprisoned for life without trial. Look at the untold suffering they are responsible for, so many dead kids and pets and no one cares.

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