Trump promises to permanently eliminate the funding mechanism for Social Security and Medicare if reelected

The past few days have been absolutely fucking nuts. Donald Trump promised to defund Social Security and Medicare if reelected, accelerated his work to destroy the U.S. Postal Service in advance of the 2020 election, and once again claimed wrongly that it was him, and not Barack Obama, who signed “Vetrans Choice” into law. Oh — and speaking of him taking credit for things that Obama had actually done — he also stood in front of the overwhelmingly white and maskless members of his Bedminster golf club and announced that he was thinking about signing an executive order requiring insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions, something that, as we all know, the Affordable Care Act already does. As I don’t have time to get into everything, what do you say we spend our time today talking about the defunding of Social Security and Medicare? And maybe we can discuss the gutting of the Postal Service tomorrow. Sound good?

Yesterday, Donald Trump signed an executive order that he said would defer all payroll tax payments between September and December for those making less than $104,000 per year. [Payroll taxes, for those of you who don’t know, are what funds Social Security and Medicare.] Furthermore, he said that, if he were to be reelected, he would “terminate” payroll taxes altogether, which, by extension, would effectively roll back the New Deal. The following excerpt comes by way of the Washington Post.

…Another document signed by Trump on Saturday attempts to defer payroll tax payments from September through December for people who earn less than $100,000. The impact of this measure could depend on whether companies decide to comply, as they could be responsible for withdrawing large amounts of money from their employees’ paychecks in a few months when the taxes are due.

The president said that if he wins reelection, he would seek to extend the deferral and somehow “terminate” the taxes that are owed. He also dared presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden to try to recoup those tax dollars if elected in November. The payroll tax funds Social Security and Medicare benefits, and it’s unclear where those programs will get funding if the taxes are deferred…

As it’s the constitutional role of Congress to set policy when it comes to taxing and spending, it’s not certain that yesterday’s executive actions will hold up in court. [Both Republican Senator Ben Sasse and Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, have referred to these executive orders of Trump’s as “unconstitutional slop.”] It’s also unclear how, assuming this should go forward, this plan of Trump’s would work in practice, as these deferred taxes would still be due in January. Right now, employers are required to withhold payroll taxes from the paychecks of their employees each pay period, kicking in another 6.2% on top. Would they continue to withhold those funds from the checks of their employees over this four month period, or would they just take a giant lump sum at the end of the four month period, which could be financially devastating for families living paycheck to paycheck? Either way, it’s difficult to see how his would have any tangible positive effect on the lives of working men and women. Unless, of course, the objective is never to require that these deferred taxes be paid, which is what Trump hinted at yesterday, when he said that, if reelected, he’d end the payroll tax system altogether.

Here, if you’d like to read it, is a link the actual text of what Trump signed. I’ve read it a few times now, and there doesn’t seem to be any mention of how this would effect the funding of Social Security and Medicare. Here’s the take of Princeton economist Paul Krugman.

It looks as though, with Trump falling fast in swing state polling, and Coronavirus deaths climbing, the Republicans have decided to go for broke, and try one last time to destroy our social safety net, arguing that it’s necessary due to the pandemic and the subsequent economic collapse. [The Democrats, in sharp contrast, are pushing for an extension of the $600 weekly unemployment payments that begun in March as part of the CARES Act. Trump, in his executive orders, called for $400 a week in unemployment payments, but with the understanding that our beleaguered state governments would cover 25%, which would push them further down the road to collapse.] The idea, it seems pretty clear, is to call for a payroll tax deferral now, arguing that businesses and workers need the money, and thereby laying the groundwork for an argument in January about how these same businesses and workers can’t possibly be expected to come up with the funds that they owe, necessitating deep cuts in social safety net programs, and transferring billions of dollars to corporate America in the process.

Here, with more on the Republican endgame, is something I posted here back in June of 2018 under the title, “Ever feel like drowning America in the bathtub? Here’s the plan.”

…The report, titled Delivering Government Solutions in the 21st Century, lays out the Trump administration’s aggressive plan for reorganizing (a.k.a. shrinking) the United States government.

As for what’s in this report, it’s essentially the wish list of the Republican right, as so honestly articulated back at the turn of the century by “small government” jihadist Grover Norquist, the founder and president of the Americans for Tax Reform. “I don’t want to abolish government,” Norquist stated in a May 25, 2001 interview with NPR’s Morning Edition. “I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.” And that’s essentially what Trump and his budget director, Mick Mulvaney, have presented in this plan, which was clearly written with the input of wealthy Republican donors like Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers. It’s a detailed roadmap showing how, through the drastic consolidation federal departments, the dramatic rollback of regulation, and the elimination of social safety net programs, the U.S. government can be weakened to the point that, when held below the surface of the water, it can no longer fight back.

When asked about the plan late last week by reporters, Donald Trump laughed, saying that it was “extraordinarily boring,” the suggestion being that our time might be better spent elsewhere. And, if you read it, you can see why he’d rather that people talk about anything else. It’s a plan that would, quite literally, lead to the deaths of American citizens. And I say that without hyperbole.

Here, to give you some sense of what you’ll find within the plan, are a series of tweets from Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Laurie Garrett.

While it may be unlikely that a bill like this would make it through Congress, we need to take notice, as this is clearly their plan for the future. This, assuming things continue to go their way, is where the Republicans want to take America. So don’t be distracted by the chaos. Don’t spend too much time fretting over the fact that Donald Trump is hanging out with Corey “Womp Womp” Lewandowski just a few days after the latter mocked a 10-year-old illegal immigrant with Down syndrome who had been separated from her mother at the border, or pissed that Stephen Miller, the White House author of the child separation policy, is out there in the world, attempting to eat Mexican food. None of it is real. These are all just attempts on the part of the administration to get us talking about anything other than their judicial appointments, their increasingly cruel and racist policies, and these “extraordinarily boring” government restructuring plans that they’ve started floating. This is always been their endgame, and now, with the Trump administration headed toward impeachment, they intend to give it their best shot.

And that’s what this payroll tax deferment says to me. It says that they’re ready to try one last time to wrestle the American government into the bathtub.

Before we move on, I think it’s important to document the fact that Republicans, now that one of their own is in the White House, are describing executive orders as being the work of the Lord. [They, you can be sure, were not saying this when Obama was president.]

One last quote, while we’re on the subject. This comes from Senator Bernie Sanders, who, I believe, will be speaking at Biden’s nomination convention in a few weeks. “Today, Trump announced that if he is re-elected he will permanently defund Social Security,” Sanders said. “That may make sense to the billionaires at his country club, but it makes zero sense to me. No, Mr. President. We will not let you destroy Social Security. We will defeat you – badly.

Oh, and Trump, in these executive actions of his, also ordered that $44 billion be taken away from FEMA, in the middle of a pandemic that has already killed over 165,000 Americans. And there’s still no national testing program for COVID-19.

OK, as I’m still awake, here’s one more thing. Trump said yesterday that his executive orders extended the federal eviction moratorium. They did not.

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  1. Posted August 9, 2020 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    It’s as if Trump is trying very hard to lose. I wonder if he will be permitted to lose.

  2. Bob
    Posted August 9, 2020 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been driving around northern Michigan all week. It’s Trump 2020 as far as you can see. Don’t be complacent.

  3. EOS
    Posted August 9, 2020 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    If the payroll tax went into a Social Security fund and was not allowed to be used for other purposes, we would have no difficulty funding Social Security. If I could have invested what I paid to Social Security for myself, I would be rich. However, eliminating the payroll tax does not equate with eliminating Social Security. It would merely put some money back in the pockets of wage earners and their employers. At the rate that they are creating fiat money, the devaluation of our savings far exceeds any money returned via the payroll tax. We will all need to pay the piper at some time in the near future for the current government giveaways – either higher taxation or lower standards of living, or both.

  4. Wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    EOS lives in a fantasy world where the markets never lose their value, and as a superior human He would be a billionaire if it was not for the evil liberals making him pay taxes. Thank god for Trump he will liberate EOS so he can take his rightful place above all others.
    If only EOS had been allowed to fulfill his true destiny. Damn you liberals for your oppression of the super race.

    EOS and the other superior ones never learned math and dont realize it is their heros who keep doubling the national debt —but they live in a fantasy world.

  5. Posted August 10, 2020 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    I’ve peered into the alternate reality where the liberals didn’t prevent EOS from making the millions he deserves. In that alternate universe, he blew all his money on booze and hookers.

  6. Wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Video of a superman convincing himself to use the threat of violence.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10219254044005968&id=13552502645

  7. Wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Take away from the article,
    “ The bad news: in each scenario other than a Biden landslide, we ended up with a constitutional crisis that lasted until the inauguration, featuring violence in the streets and a severely disrupted administrative transition. “

    https://www.the-american-interest.com/2020/08/06/getting-from-november-to-january/

  8. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    So you think your use of the threat of violence is an effective campaign strategy? Most of America will vote for Trump to prevent the mobs from destroying our cities and our heritage and to stop the cancel culture madness.

    You missed the scenario of Trump being elected by a landslide and when liberals go bezerk and start destroying property, they are arrested and jailed.

  9. Posted August 10, 2020 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    EOS, you might want to get out of the house occasionally. No cities have been destroyed. You do realize that cities have millions of buildings right? You’ve never been very good at maths.

  10. Eel
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    “Trump to prevent the mobs from destroying… our heritage.”

    Racist dog whistle says what?

  11. Posted August 10, 2020 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    I’m curious, EOS, when you were trying to push the notion that Governor Whitmer was deliberately mass murdering residents of long-term care facilities, why didn’t it occur to you to check the corresponding statistics from other states? It seems like kind of a no-brainer, doesn’t it?

  12. Posted August 10, 2020 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    When Mark said their was a BLM protest in Ypsi, I drove through the next day and was surprised to see there was still a city there. I guess I should have reported this back to EOS in his padded cell.

  13. Posted August 10, 2020 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Sorry for the use of “their” instead of “there.”

    Just for the record, EOS, I recently drove up I-75 from Florida, and I can report to you that Atlanta still stands.

  14. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    So in your mind, millions of dollars of destruction is OK, so long as the city still stands? I never said that the cities had been destroyed, only that law and order will prevent them from being destroyed. If you left your bubble you would realize that most people don’t support vandalism and won’t vote for a man who is afraid to condemn acts of violence.

  15. Posted August 10, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    You have slipped further into your delusional world, EOS. I was using humor to mock your exaggerating language. Any sane person opposes violence and destruction of property. No person with a spine is afraid to say it. Only you imagine otherwise.

    Saying Cities are being destroyed is absurd exaggeration. You should probably try to just describe the violence and destruction of property in specific and accurate terms. Otherwise you reveal yourself for the crackpot into which you’ve devolved.

  16. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Robert,

    You are the one slipping into using Jean’s tactics. No where did I say cities are being destroyed. Are you saying Joe is spineless?

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/joe-biden-does-nothing-as-violent-crime-in-democrat-run-cities-soars

  17. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    “So you think your use of the threat of violence is an effective campaign strategy? Most of America will vote for Trump to prevent the mobs from destroying our cities and our heritage and to stop the cancel culture madness.

    You missed the scenario of Trump being elected by a landslide and when liberals go bezerk and start destroying property, they are arrested and jailed.”

  18. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Crime is soaring in Republican run states and in this Republican run nation. It’s down in liberal-run countries around the world. You don’t do anything but parrot FNC do you, EOS?

  19. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    “No religion. No anything. Hurt the Bible. Hurt God.”

    Not only are cities going to be destroyed, but there is going to be “no anything” if Biden gets into the White House again. Remember when he was in there from 2009 to 2016, and we had all those cities destroyed?

  20. Wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    The absolute hypocrisy of the death cult is once again demonstrated by its complete embrace of government by executive order. Every “principle” the death cult has espoused has been thrown under the bus for the sake of power. For some one to believe these unprincipled power seekers have anyone’s interest in mind but their own enrichment is foolish in the extreme.

  21. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    I’m more against crime than you are, EOS. I do t think anyone should be above the law. We all have seen the exceptions you make.

  22. Lynne
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    The irony is that EOS calls themselves “pro-life” while 100% supporting the death cult. It is kind of gross actually even as it is a good illustration of how most anti-abortion folks don’t really care about life but rather care about controlling women.

  23. Wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    More chaos and economic pain caused by the Leaders and his death cult.

    https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/10/big-ten-football-cancels-season-michigan-michigan-state/3332277001/

  24. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Future tense – get a clue.

  25. Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Yeah, EOS, you’re great at foreseeing the future. You’re a regular Nastradumbass.

  26. Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Be forewarned everyone. The great seer of the future, EOS, has warnings for us. Cities will be destroyed if we don’t heed his warning. Religion will be no more. The Bible will be hurt. God will be hurt. And there’s will be no anything.

    I know many of you need some things, so no anything would be a problem for you, as it would be for me.

    Please oh great and wise EOS, tell us more of these visions of yours.

  27. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Why are you so angry?

  28. Posted August 10, 2020 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Gee, why would talking to a moron who says cities are being destroyed by rioters when they aren’t…that couldn’t be annoying, could it?

    Maybe the Democrat Party made me annoyed, and I’m just taking it out on you….you know, like they kept you from being a millionaire.

  29. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    No, the cities WILL be destroyed unless we elect Trump. MAGA.

  30. Wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Could be angry because stupid selfish death cultist wrecked sane peoples attempts to control snd crush the virus. I am very angry at these stupid short sighted selfish shits ruining my last years on this planet. I will never forget or forgive the death cult and those whom enable it. Yeah Im really angry. My plans for my future My daughters plans for her future totaled by the Idiot in chief. My wife’s present and future research totally smashed by the idiot in chief making the US a plague state.
    Yeah really really pissed at everyone of you enablers and sycophantic trumpets.

  31. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Ummm, the plague is worldwide. It will keep spreading across all borders. Your knee jerk reaction is to blame Trump for everything.

  32. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    They can’t control and crush the flu or the common cold either, but we have learned to live with it. COVID will evolve and become less lethal.

  33. Posted August 10, 2020 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    The numbers are all fake, EOS. Remember?

  34. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    I never said that either Jean. The totals are not accurate. You agreed with me and also that Witmire shouldn’t put covid patients into nursing homes. Remember?

  35. Anonymous
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Jeans not here. Nor pants neither.

  36. Wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    New Zealand over 100 days without a new infection. I could go on but reality is outside your frame of reference. Every day you death cultist demonstrate how little you regard your fellow humans.
    Nothing knee jerk at all My anger is the result of careful deliberation and a review of the evidence. You want people like me dead. Your willing to kill millions of us ultimately for your sick selfish ends. MAGA as we take one more turn around the bowl.

  37. Posted August 10, 2020 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Yes, I remember. I still think it’s a dumb to have positive and negative residents in the same facilities.

    But your suggesting that Whitmer was deliberately trying to kill people was absurd and offensive. It was also stupid, being that you could have just checked corresponding statistics from other states and see Michigan has a smaller percentage of deaths occurring in those facilities.

    The federal government failed in its response. It asked because we have an incompetent moron in the White House. Saying that it’s a knee jerk reaction to blame him is idiocy. The act that there is a completely incompetent lunatic in the office of President certainly does play a significant role in how the federal government has performed.

    We’ve established that you are some sort of a bizarre shut-in who doesn’t recognize what competence and incompetence look like in leadership. So I can’t help you except to suggest maybe talking to people who you know and respect personally about how to identify the difference.

  38. Posted August 10, 2020 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    It’s just a coincidence that everything has gone to shit while your stable genius has been president. He’s just a victim of circumstance…or conspiracy by the Democrats.

  39. Wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    We should all take note thar EOS is counting on evilution to solve the trumpvirus. Once again they demonstrate their hypocrisy. If you understood evolution you would know there is no scientific basis for counting on your desired result in human time periods. Evolutionary time is varied. It looks like the trumpvirus has found a very good host in humans to replicate itself. No environmental pressures to change. Counting on random genetic mutations will unlikely achieve the desired results. The death cult has no positive vision for the future, only death and decay.

  40. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Robert,

    You are right. Whitmire may not have been intentionally trying to kill nursing home residents. That was hyperbole. She is likely just ignorant and unthinking.

  41. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Read Richard Dawkins “The selfish gene”. If a virus kills the organism it infects, it soon dies out with the organism it kills. It will either be a very short lived virus or will become less lethal. Because covid is a RNA virus, it has fewer repair mechanisms and will mutate at a faster rate. There is a large amount of scientific evidence that gives us hope. The virus is already mutating and evolving in less than a years time.

  42. Anonymous
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Trump, after yelling “PLAY COLLEGE FOOTBALL!”, goes after Ben Sasse.

    “RINO Ben Sasse, who needed my support and endorsement in order to get the Republican nomination for Senate from the GREAT State of Nebraska, has, now that he’s got it (Thank you President T), gone rogue, again. This foolishness plays right into the hands of the Radical Left Dems!” -Donald Trump

  43. John Brown
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Hillsdale County has way fewer Traitor/Pence 2020 displays than 2016. But also a major reduction in live fire practice within earshot, due to ammo scarcity and the near certainty of the pending race war. Or at least that’s the expectation folks out there are being sold on Faux Newsless.

  44. Wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    EOS we have already established how many individuals can survive the virus (WHO currently says a .06 fatality rate. No environmental pressure on the virus. 330 million potential hosts 20 million dead. 310 million hosts available for the next go around. No evidence that it has evolved to a less virulent form. Some evidence that the Italian strain (a mutation from the original strain) is more deadly. You have nothing to offer but death and chaos.

  45. Lynne
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    EOS, it is possible that the virus will mutate and yes, there are reasons why if it does, it is likely to get less deadly. That isn’t really an excuse for the lack of a meaningful national response to the virus though since the virus has not yet mutated in that way nor is it guaranteed that it will. 163,000 Americans have died already in the past 5 months.

    Maybe Trump’s plan here is related to it killing more older people than younger people. Maybe he figures he might as well make things worse for older people by canceling Social Security and Medicare?

  46. Posted August 10, 2020 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    There was a shooting near the White House that put the building on lockdown while the Secret Service responded. The incident took place outside the fenced in area of the White House property.

  47. EOS
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Lynne,

    A halt in payroll tax deductions is not cancelling Social Security and Medicare.

    A month ago they reported 6 different strains of Covid were circulating. Yes, that means it has mutated. In some isolated locations, 60 – 90% of those who test positive have no symptoms. That certainly suggests some strains have already become less lethal.

  48. Lynne
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    EOS, no but cancelling SS and Medicare is something Trump says he is going to do if reelected so I assume it is a goal. If that is his goal, deferring those taxes might be a step towards achieving such a goal since those taxes are what pay for SS and Medicare.

  49. Wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Almost forgot. We do have a reason to be thankful this week. The 8th was the 46th anniversary of that other lying criminal president being driven from office. I think Ill drink a toast to the memory of better days.

  50. Anonymous
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Salvation for me. Nothing for thee. Commie.

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    Claimed he couldn’t breathe before they ever got him in the car. Huh! Resist resist resist. He could have just been arrested on suspicion of counterfeiting. With his rap sheet I don’t know if the judge would have been too kind about it but it would be better than doing all this shit and then biting it while on waaaasted on drugs and becoming the poster boy for all this communist bullshit.

    Kind of funny to hear the same guy that terrorized the mother-to-be in her own home crying like a baby just for getting arrested doing some illegal shit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz3-nKXdQNc

  52. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    George Floyd full bodycam vid released and already gone from youtube…

  53. Wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    EOS Chinese virologist has Identified over 13 strains of the virus back in March. No evidence that any of the strains do not cause deaths in humans. The reason some people have more severe symptoms than others is still a matter of scientific investigation. Other than your fantasy science there is no evidence the virus has mutated to a less lethal form, some evidence it has become more lethal. If you have a scientific paper reporting on your assertion you should share. Other wise it looks like you ate just making making shit up to help you feel better about supporting
    the death cult.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/pandemic-virus-slowly-mutating-it-getting-more-dangerous

    Real science reporting rather than made up death cult science

  54. Wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    Of course the cheerleader for fascism would rather talk about anything than his leaders complete failure to protect the country from an alien invasion. Fools following a charlatan and they expect to be taken seriously.

  55. Wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    This is very bad news. The death cult first said the virus is just like the flu, now EOS wants it to be like the common cold. In the real world the correct analogy would be it is like AIDS. It seems to have the ability to hide in the host body at undetectable levels and then (mechanism unknown) start spreading through the body again. We do not in fact know if you are ever cured. The death cult in essence wants us all to have a giant communal orgy and see what happens.
    30 years ago EOS would have been calling for spreaders of Aids to be locked up—what a worthless hypocrite.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-zealand-first-coronavirus-cases-in-102-days/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=96747249

  56. Anonymous
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    I’m guessing that it will be discovered that the source for the New Zealand cases will in the end be linked to pet dogs or cats.

  57. Wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Possible. The Dutch have seen the virus spread to minks and then back to humans. Could also have been present frozen on packaging that had been imported (China believes one of its outbreaks was frozen salmon packaging imported from Germany). We just do not know. So lets by all means spread the virus as widely as possible.
    The death cult is only interested in maintaining power.

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    “cheerleader for fascism”

    Just because someone doesn’t love communism doesn’t mean they are fascist. Start getting it right. Covid is boring and fake. It will stop after the election. It’s the election virus is what it is.

  59. Lynne
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    It really is remarkable the lengths racists like HW will go to discredit George Floyd. It is sad and disgusting that there are Americans like HW. I am so ashamed to be an American these days. The only good thing Trump has done has woken up the rest of the world to how Americans are and we can be relieved of the burden of being a world leader in anything. We are losers and everyone knows it now.

  60. John Brown
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Lynne, start thinking of the Americans like HW as rabid dogs who are going to have to be put down for the health and safety of the rest of The USA.

  61. EOS
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Both Fascism and Socialism are leftist forms of government. Fascism is a type of Socialism. Both want greater governmental control over the individual. They both have the concept of collectivism at their core. Under both systems of government, the government or state has ownership and control over land and other resources. Due to this fact, they tend to be a dictatorship in nature as the leader wields all the power, controls the factors of production, and determines how to exercise military force. Therefore, the people have little or no say in how the party runs the affairs of the state. They do not have fundamental rights like freedom of expression and the right to influence the affairs of the country through public opinion etc.

    Cancel Culture, Politically correct speech, Black Lives Matter, and using the threat of violence (or actual violence) to achieve political goals, are fascist tactics. Calling your opposition by the appellate that pertains to oneself is a tactic straight out of Salinsky’s playbook.

    https://www.thefreemanonline.org/difference-between-fascism-and-national-socialism/

    On the other hand, Trump is a populist. He has been working to reduce governmental regulations. The criticism from the left is that he is not wielding a heavy enough hand to use the force of government to eradicate Covid quick enough. The Right knows that government cannot solve every problem, and often, government itself is the problem. Where the people have no moral foundation to restrain their greed, no amount of force can produce an effective government.

    The Left thinks it is government’s role to solve every problem, and if the government program is ineffective, they believe that it just needs more money thrown at it. They keep repeating the same methods in the hopes that it will eventually work. In the end, they will bankrupt the government and usher in anarchy, or allow it to be overtaken by even more evil despots.

  62. EOS
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Oops – that would be Saul Alinsky.

  63. Wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    The state has only one universally (almost) accepted role—defend the people against a foreign invader. Trump= total failure cant be anymore foreign than a virus.

  64. Anonymous
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    The current tax on my payroll (from me according to my ability) is going to support current social security and Medicare payments (to EOS according to his needs). Sounds kind of like socialism to me. Until EOS refuses to accept that (my) money, then he is a Commie two faced liar.

  65. EOS
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    I’ve already paid more to Social Security than I can ever hope to withdraw. I won’t get back all that I’ve paid and I certainly won’t get the sum that would have accumulated had i been able to invest it. Frankly, I’m hoping to survive until I can start collecting any of what was taken without my consent.

  66. Hyborian Warlords
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    I represent reality, not racism. Floyd victimized that woman bad. You can’t change that or bury it or anything. If he had just got in the car he would have been fine. You can’t change that either.

    He was so wasted on those heaviest of drugs and so psychologically fuckin’ WHACKED he couldn’t stop freaking out and forcing them to hold him down. They just wanted him to sit in the car. It’s all on video and if it had been released months ago we could have avoided a lot of this bullshit.

    There is nothing I can or would do to “discredit” George Floyd. Pretty fuckin’ low Social Credit Score I would say (as long as we are adopting the communist way of life).

    I don’t

  67. Wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    You could have always left—your staying is active consent. All you death cult members do is whine. This was done to me, that was denied me, a bunch of liberal entitled whimps. No wonder you and your ilk have been nothing but defeatist when faced with a real threat to the people of this country.

  68. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Extra s there: guess I am multiplying!

  69. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    It’s coming. Can you feel it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCAL6u32xWY

  70. Wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Mission accomplished

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/joe-biden-selects-kamala-harris-his-running-mate-n1235771

  71. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Hahahaha! I knew Joe could not resist Kamala and her eminently sniffable (by Joe standards) hair/neck/ears/feet/whatever.

  72. Lynne
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    I like Kamala Harris. The only issue I have about her as a pick is that the Bernie Bros are going to be out in full force with their sexist bullshit.

  73. Lynne
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    John Brown, if by “put down” you mean made politically weak, then I agree. It would distress me greatly if guys like HW were to take up arms against Americans if their guy loses and I like to think that as deplorable as they are, they aren’t Confederate level horrible.

    EOS doesn’t seem to have a clue about fascism. It is like some radical forms of socialism but that doesn’t make it left-wing. Since opposition to the far left is one of the central tenents of fascism, it is pretty fair to call it more of a right-wing position. I get it though that most on the right are not fascists but those who still support Trump are! There are also forms of socialism that support strong totalitarian government control but that isn’t the sort of socialism you see being supported by most of the American left. Sure there are extremists but really they are not mainstream. Even the populist sort of Democratic Socialism that does have traction in the Democratic Party is not totalitarian even though it certainly would mean that some more poeple would have to pay more in taxes. BTW, if you are advocating taking control of their own bodies away from women, you don’t get to shake the “government control” stick at others. Not without exposing yourself as the worst sort of hypocrite at any rate.

  74. Anonymous
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Is it any surprise that the most vocal supporters of Agolf Twitterler are living in an alternate reality?

  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    What a low level burn. “Derp. Ur a nazi.”

    The term nazi itself may well have been made ubiquitous to keep people from thinking about the “socialist” part of national socialism.

  76. Wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    HW “ national” is the key word. Socialism is Internationalism. Which is different than globalism. Socialism has always meant international solidarity. Socialisms failure was 1914 when “nationalism” and war triumphed.
    The founders of fascism were the products of WWI. Soviet Communism was also a result of the failure of early 20th century socialism.
    Nationalism is the root of. fascism. Like Trumps “populist “ slop he throws towards working folks, The socialism of fascism is just for the stupid.

  77. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    So it’s not socialism if you keep your national identity. There must be a monolithic expansionist Party such as the USSR that crushes everything historical and tries to make everyone the same regardless of what “country” you are from.

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Do you consider worldwide socialism a temporary stop on the road to communism, wobbly?

  79. Wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    No

  80. Wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Bernie Sanders

    “Congratulations to @KamalaHarris, who will make history as our next Vice President. She understands what it takes to stand up for working people, fight for health care for all, and take down the most corrupt administration in history. Let’s get to work and win.”

    Lynne dont forget to keep hitting left. Im sure it wins converts to your side.

  81. Posted August 11, 2020 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie, about as well as it works for YOUR side I imagine.

    It is nice that Bernie seems to have learned his lesson at least. Good for him! Unfortunately, his bros are already at it. Luckily I have a nice essay from someone who worked with her that addresses their bullshit

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/10/kamala-harris-progressive-pioneer-san-francisco-da-column/3334668001/

  82. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2020 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Communists do though.

  83. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    Lynne I understand your class privilege makes it almost impossible for you to analyze events objectively.

    The good news. The death cult is unraveling. Just saw John James latest commercial. He is attacking Peters because Peters did not take the virus seriously. James has clearly cut himself from the failure of trumpanize policies. It will be fun watching Republicans try to separate themselves from the death cult.
    James internal polling must be showing the Leader failing big time here in Michigan.

  84. Anonymous
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2020/08/10/trump-says-1918-flu-pandemic-probably-ended-the-second-world-war-which-ended-in-1945/

    HW is this fake news or ignorance or a commie plot?

  85. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Here is a good analysis of the Russian vaccine and western media distortions about it. Using
    a modified existing vaccine clearly cut development time. The Large scale trials they are implementing will let us know its effectiveness In a-few months. Its safety may not be known for some time.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/western-media-falsely-claim-that-russias-covid-19-vaccine-is-ready-to-go.html#more

  86. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Not Necessarily Vague Guy,

    There is a lot of misinformation out there—duh.

    People have had and do have Marxist agendas/plots—duh.

    People often misspeak—duh.

    Trump probably misspoke??? You are very odd.

  87. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    He’s been saying 1917 consistently for a while. There is some reason he wants to draw attention to it or the Spanish Flu or whatever it is.

  88. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    FF I see your buddy in Virginia got sentenced to 6 years for driving his car at BLM demonstrators. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/self-identified-kkk-leader-accused-of-driving-through-protesters-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison/2020/08/11/33af5be8-db4d-11ea-b205-ff838e15a9a6_story.html

  89. Posted August 12, 2020 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    “Lynne I understand your class privilege makes it almost impossible for you to analyze events objectively.”

    …says the guy who threw women and marginalized people under the bus in 2016 because his gender, race, and class privilege has made it impossible for him to analyze objectively. *cough*

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    The best you have is garbage. Oh yeah, that’s my buddy.. You better hope no anti-Trumpers put that kid up to it/drove him to to it or in reality it is your buddy.

  91. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    “…says the guy who threw women and marginalized people under the bus in 2016 because his gender, race, and class privilege has made it impossible for him to analyze objectively. *cough*”

    Because women and the marginalized have suffered more than ever in the Trump era. It’s just grab ’em by the pussy and toss them into the pit of doom. All day every day.

  92. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    I am not aware of that case, Wobblie. Why would you pretend I am buddies with a kkk leader/ member? Why would you pretend I have an opinion about it? I don’t like violence, bigotry and racism. Why are you dishonest?

  93. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    It’s because the dems are so close to the Klan. They are so Klannish they feel a strong need to tar others as being what they are.

  94. Anonymous
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realised, the Lord doesn’t work that way. So I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me … and I got it!

  95. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Youve defended everyone of the folks who have driven into BLM protesters. You are right , and I apologize I thought you would have been consistent in your position. Stoopid of me to have thought that. Being a dumb ignorant worker who throws woman and minorities under the bus, I wanted to throw some white men under the tread to demonstrate my liberal bon a vides.

  96. Anonymous
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    HW wishes he were this tough. I dare you.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1292984224518209537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1292984224518209537%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fportland-trail-blazers-damian-lillard-drops-61-points-beats-dallas-mavericks-playoff-push-011630157.html

  97. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    I always like hearing what people much smarter than me have to say. It is amazing what can be learned

    https://the.ink/p/noam-chomsky-wants-you-to-vote-for?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0xnIfvNbfXrHL-JqJ6cs0rl9QRm__r2R23iRO2KBAhSjRR6e_XqT6nh10

  98. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    “Youve defended everyone of the folks who have driven into BLM protesters.”

    Like who? It was claimed someone plowed into protestors who didn’t do that. Not in my definition of ‘plow’. Don’t know what you mean by it.

  99. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Not even as smart as a crusty old idiot. “Oh it doesn’t matter if 9-11 was an inside job! There are so many more important things to worry about. It pales in comparison to a bunch of bullshit I’d rather talk about…” That Norm Chomsky?

  100. Jean Henry
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Get the popcorn, Folks.
    Yes I believe Trump is headed for an historic defeat no matter how this turns out. (That does not mean I’m certain if that outcome, just increasingly confident) But I would like some court-validated documentation of his pattern of sexual abuse. This defendant will not settle.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/politics/e-jean-carroll-trump-dna/index.html

  101. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    The “I think most people think rape is sexy…think of all the fantasies…” lady.

  102. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Who would have thought the death cult policies were bad for the economy

    https://apnews.com/a16a8c7ebae660979d22c3877c65c09b

  103. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t it uncomfortable to be so narrow and dull and repetitive? Don’t you feel crusty as shit?

  104. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    How many times can one derp say “death cult”? A big crusty old shitload hahaha!

  105. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    I can say death cult all day long. You know if the shoe fits wear it, if its not broken dont fix it. Any body who spends time on the web sees the expression is catching on. As is trumpvirus. The essence of Americanism is repetition. Its taking some time, but it is working. Do a google search. The third thing that comes up is an article equating the Republican party to a death cult—iRobert would say I owned you.
    .
    But hey here is a bit of good news. Weed will probably prove to once again be the wonder drug

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-cannabis-treatment-potential-cbd-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0_h5A4A-1JuiEuzKdF7fQyXjx-T8WVi9HCr_Ei9i4Zgj383MM7i7q9AGY

  106. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile thanks to the death cult Oshkosh is at
    1,212 cases (100 days after 1st infection they had 100 cases 1 death). 87 days since liberation by the death cult
    18 dead. One small rural county. The price of freedom—what old fart should we sacrifice next week. Maybe a hunger game for the senior crowd. What do you think HW.

  107. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Death cult sheriff requires underlings to expose themself to trumpvirus

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/511644-florida-sheriff-bans-deputies-from-wearing-masks-after-refusing-to%3famp

    I like my headline best. MAGA

  108. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    “Youve defended everyone of the folks who have driven into BLM protesters.“

    Aloha! You are a nut job bullshitter, Wobblie. There is something wrong with your brain. Maybe it is just old age?

  109. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I particularly liked the part about the sheriff issueing his order after his conference call with the Leader of the death cult.
    If the shoe fits wear it

  110. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Me: “How many times can one derp say death cult?”

    Wobblie: “I can say death cult all day long.”

  111. Anonymous
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-polls-today-2020-election-george-washington-joe-biden-a9665721.html

    We need a video analyst to find out at which point the President misspoke. Maybe he meant James Buchanan.

  112. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, you’re really making some significant inroads into the American consciousness. Waow! Nice lil un-PC expression of vestigial slave-owner consciousness there: “I owned you.”

  113. Jean Henry
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    HW is unable to perceive the difference between a rape fantasy and the actual experience of sexual violence. Ms Carrol in that segment was trying to make that distinction, awkwardly. But the distinction is important. In fact, surveys have shown that most women have rape fantasies; Most women do not want to be raped though. Similarly, people who enjoy BDSM play do not want to be beat up by strangers without their consent. The entire context in which such fantasy and play is acceptable and pleasurable hinges on very clear consent and the ca[pacity to stop play at any time and for any reason. None of that applies to what happened to Ms Carroll at the hands of President Trump. Of course he says it never happened and that statement is the defamation at play in the court suit. So consent is no longer the concern of the court. He just needs to have been there… He’s fucked.

  114. Wobblie
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    This comes as a total surprise
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-prompts-closing-georgia-high-school-district-over-1k-quarantine-n1236492

  115. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    “HW is unable to perceive the difference between a rape fantasy and the actual experience of sexual violence.”

    That is so stupid I don’t even know what to say. Your rationale doesn’t even make sense. She said she thinks most people think rape is sexy. She didn’t qualify it in any way whatsoever. What are you even trying to say? Incoherent! Another failure for Jean.

  116. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    All you derps are so low intelligence it’s painful to deal with you. Can’t wait till you are done with all this shit forever.

  117. Anonymous
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    I guess that makes you a masochist.

  118. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Masochists enjoy pain. I only endure it to achieve an end. I’ve made all of you shut the fuck up many times so I am bringing some relief to the rest of the world. Overall it’s worth it.

  119. Anonymous
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for sharing. We’ll put a pin in that.

  120. Posted August 12, 2020 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    Yo! Semites!

    Let’s go to Theigh-land!

    Destroyed.

  121. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    There doesn’t seem to be a ton of enthusiasm here for Biden’s pick. Come on guys. She is fake black lady cop who lacks ethical principles. Show some love :)

  122. Posted August 13, 2020 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    Apparently, the Biden campaign set a one-day all-time fundraising record when Harris was announced as the VP candidate choice. So somebody is enthusiastic.

    Trump seemed unusually low energy. Do they have him on anti-depressants?

  123. Posted August 13, 2020 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    I think Harris is a tireless campaigner and well spoken as a former prosecutor. So she can fill in when Joe is sleepy.

  124. Wobblie
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Im waiting for the death cult to explain the 200000 excess deaths the US has already experienced this year. The trumpvirus is the obvious answer but we know what a dolt I am, maybe Qanon knows the answer. Maybe they never existed, maybe they were fake people in fake hospitals and fake cemeteries.
    Please please oh superior human specimens explain to this crusty old worthless bag of bones how this conspiracy against the Leader is managed—is Hillary really Moriarty? Will she off Biden once he is President and expose her self as Kamala in black face. Please educate this stoopid old man

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/12/us/covid-deaths-us.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20200813&instance_id=21229&nl=the-morning&regi_id=133582626&segment_id=35994&te=1&user_id=9c688f7d72d90c97996e45c1ac7be6e3

  125. Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    Trump doesn’t have anything to worry about. The Biden/Harris campaign will get 15 supporters and then it will go away.

  126. Anonymous
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    Tucker Carlson is very excited about Kamala Harris. And yes, FF, Kamala Harris has one parent that is Black and one that is not. So does Tiger Woods. So does Colin Kaepernick. What, in your mind, qualifies as a “real” black lady? Please elaborate. Can you comment about Simone Biles in your expert analysis and how she fits into your classification of Blackness?

  127. Anonymous
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/511657-tucker-carlson-responds-to-guest-correcting-pronunciation-of-kamala-harriss

    Here’s video for you to analyze. Remember that Mr. Carlson is a trained journalist, presumably held to a higher standard than Mr. Trump, who seems to misspeak a lot.

  128. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Her dad looks about perfectly in the middle of black and white. His father’s mother was a child of a major slave owner in Jamaica. Kamala is the descendent of slave owners.

  129. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Her dad looks about perfectly in the middle of black and white. His father’s mother was a child of a major slave owner in Jamaica. Kamala is the descendent of slave owners.

  130. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    …father’s mother was descended from slave owner Hamilton Brown…

  131. Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Biden campaign raises record $26 million in one day after announcing VP pick

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/511742-biden-says-campaign-set-a-single-day-fundraising-record-after-announcing-vp

    (From The Hill)

  132. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Pretty wild to tar everyone with white supremacy but Kamala’s ancestry is nothing.

  133. Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    I haven’t made a contribution to the Biden/Harris campaign yet. Have you Trump supporters given money to his campaign yet? I urge you to give as much as possible. They can’t count on suppressing enough votes by shutting down the post office.

  134. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Durfous derpus

  135. Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    Yo! Semite!

  136. Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Have you been to Theigh-land, HW?

  137. Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    I meant Thigh-land. I wanna go.

  138. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    I’m sure plenty of hollywood celebs, corporate honchos and US politicians enjoy THIGH-land quite a lot.

  139. Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    Yeah, keep that chin up, HW.

  140. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    You think you are actually doing something. That’s funny.

  141. Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    So Thigh-land was code. Trump was speaking in code, everybody. He’s telling us he’s dismantling the global cabal.

  142. Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    It’s good we have HW here to interpret.

  143. Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    So, for HW, it’s the “great awakening.”

    For EOS it’s Armageddon.

    What’s it for you, FF. What keeps you in the loop?

  144. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    That would be a good way to troll perps who get kids there.

  145. Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Yeah, you’re a regular Sherlock Holmes HW.

    The world’s lucky to have you.

  146. Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Trump is just pretending to be an abject failure. It’s cover.

  147. Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    I’m thinking about filing a lawsuit against Maynard. If he’s going to run a sanatorium online, he should be required to provide padded cells for his clients. He could have Amazon deliver them.

  148. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    “Yeah, you’re a regular Sherlock Holmes HW.
    The world’s lucky to have you.”

    The other derps said the same thing about Mueller and a mountain of other crap that turned out just how I said. Nice thing for me is it’s about time to really cash in.

  149. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Wobblie– The ‘fake Black lady’ thing is a narrative being pushed by the far right and by Russian bots. They are also saying that because she’s of Jamaican descent she’s not African- American, which is bizarre. 1) because she was born and raised here here in her skin 2) because she’s still a descendent of slaves. It shows a critical lack of understanding of the construction of Black identity as defined by that group themselves via social consensus. So of course it originates in the right which has never even attempted to understand the perspective of Black Americans.

    This is for our right wingers who keep hyping property destruction (of which there has been relatively little given the scale of protests)

    “Interviewer: How would you define someone who smashes in the window of a television store and takes what he wants?

    James Baldwin: Before I get to that, how would you define somebody who puts a cat where he is and takes all the money out of the ghetto where he makes it? Who is looting whom? Grabbing off the TV set? He doesn’t really want the TV set. He’s saying screw you. It’s not judgment, by the way, on the value of the TV set. He doesn’t want it. He wants to let you know he’s there. The question I’m trying to raise is a very serious question. The mass media-television and all the major news agencies-endlessly use that word “looter”. On television you always see black hands reaching in, you know. And so the American public concludes that these savages are trying to steal everything from us. And no one has seriously tried to get where the trouble is. After all, you’re accusing a captive population who has been robbed of everything of looting. I think it’s obscene.”

  150. Posted August 13, 2020 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    I find it interesting the way the right is going after Harris’s ancestry. Do they honestly think that the issue with racism in our country is one based on what DNA one has? Most people are not concerned with DNA and really if we stop to think about it, we might realize that having slave owners as ancestors is a big part of the African-American experience because those slave owners, including Thomas Jefferson btw, were rapists who frequently raped enslaved African women.

  151. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Jean doesn’t know the difference between property crimes and taking a human life. See how that works? You said the same thing about me and it has proven false.

    Many people have died or been maimed by rioters. How would you like to be cornered by a mob with powerful lasers and be blinded for life? Have your head smashed in with a skateboard? How about straight murdered in cold blood with a firearm? Feeling pretty good about that? Bricks hitting you in the head? Bombed with explosives? Looting is the least of the rioters’ offenses.

  152. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    I think she is both a “fake black lady” and more importantly “fake person” in general.

    My understanding is that her father is half black upper class Jamaican and the descendant of an Irish-Jamaican slave OWNER. I gleaned that from Wikipedia. Not sure if it is true or how it came to be that her ancestor was a slave owner. Could be complicated….Her mother is Indian. Presumably the beneficiary of being on the right side of their caste system as she went abroad to study at Berkeley.

    Very few Black Americans feel they have shared experience with Kamala is my guess…Unless you are assuming skin color trumps all. Does it Jean?

  153. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Ultimately I agree, Lynne. Her ancestry should not matter at all. I do think she was picked to play the role of oppressed black lady. It is just not going to convince very many people except for the easily manipulated.

  154. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    “I find it interesting the way the right is going after Harris’s ancestry. Do they honestly think that the issue with racism in our country is one based on what DNA one has? Most people are not concerned with DNA and really if we stop to think about it, we might realize that having slave owners as ancestors is a big part of the African-American experience because those slave owners, including Thomas Jefferson btw, were rapists who frequently raped enslaved African women.”

    Huh! That’s funny. I thought you categorize white men as being the problem in society. Isn’t being white and male determined by DNA?

  155. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    You can’t live your life going crazy on the whole country and nearly everyone in it calling us white supremacists and just breezily dismiss this now. It belies everything you have said.

  156. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    NNVG, Lynne, and Jean:

    I am of the opinion that the Kamala pick was based upon her social identity primarily. Obviously the Dems narrowed the field based upon genitals and skin color. It is Dems are 100% invested in playing the identity politics game—they announced it months ago. When I say Kamala is a “fake black lady” I am predicting that she perceived as such by potential voters for whom social identity is supposed to matter . Her social identity does not matter to me. Witnessing how people respond to a wealthy quarter black prosecutor who had 2 PhD parents is going to be a real test for the identity politics game you guys are playing. I am of the opinion that in the end identity politics will lose out because people are just not as gullible, over time, as you well off white liberal ladies think the are. Sorry if that does not apply to you NNVG. I don’t know what you “are” other than vague and chronically obtuse.

  157. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Tulsi claimed Kamala was keeping people locked up because she wanted to avoid losing the labor of prisoners. Not sure it is true…The question about Kamala is whether or not she herself was a “slave owner” of sorts….The answer to the question about her ancestors being slave owners would be the cherry on top.

  158. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    NNVG:

    Regarding Tucker Carlson mispronouncing “Kamala”. Biden mispronounced her name yesterday too. So what does that mean?

  159. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Did her parents go to Harvard, FF? Why are you so defensive bout people with advanced degrees?

    Joe said he was going to pick a woman and likely one of color from the get go. He had a slate of qualified candidates to choose from. VP choices are always political and so always about demographics in one way or another. Trump chose Pence to secure Ohio. Ohioans rightly believed that their interests would be served better with Pence in the VP spot. Is there anything more wrong with choosing Kamala if she has additional appeal to women and Black voters because they believe their interests will be served better by someone like Senator Harris?

    Biden has made clear that he may only serve one term, leaving it up to his VP to be his successor after running a successful campaign. Senator Harris had three critical qualities in spades outside of her gender and race: 1)highly qualified to take over the presidency 2)politically savvy and sturdy 3) a talented prosecutor– she’s going to destroy Pence in debate and Trump on the stump.

    It’s clear her nomination has Trumpers all worked up in a lather.

    Just what we wanted.

    Last note: gender is not determined by genitalia and race is not determined by skin color.

  160. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    “What, in your mind, qualifies as a “real” black lady?“—NNVG

    Why not use Biden’s definition in answering that question? That is, if you vote for Biden you are black; and if you do not vote for Biden then you are not black. So if Kamala votes for a person she more or less called a racist sex offender then she would qualify as “black”. I don’t see any problem with that do you ? :)

    You guys are fucked.

  161. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    This is the guy you back FF:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-admits-he-wants-block-usps-funding-sabotage-mail-voting-2020-8

    If he wins, we’re all fucked.

  162. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    “Now, they need that money in order to make the Post Office work, so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots… Now, if we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting, they just can’t have it.”

    See you assholes in line at the polls I guess.

  163. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Yes, and Joe would have limited his picks to women with a penis if he thought picking a transgender person would have grabbed votes.

    Kamala will appeal to people who want to hear someone roast Trump. I am not convinced she will be good at debating Pence at all. Tulsi does not seem like a great debater and she completely torched Kamala with facts. Kamala could not handle facts at all—primarily because she is merely a bullshitting opportunist, imo.

  164. Posted August 13, 2020 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    FF, you say those things as if most presidential candidates in our history didn’t also pick their VPs based on race and gender. It is pretty clear that has been the main factor for most of our history or do you think it is a coincidence that it is 2016 and we’ve had what? three women nominated as VP?

  165. Posted August 13, 2020 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    but you do remind me that I am SOOOOOO grateful that the primary voters were not fooled by Gabbard. She only torched Harris in the same way that HW wins arguments.

  166. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    FF– “X would have limited his picks to Y with a Z if he thought picking a Y with a Z person would have grabbed votes.”

    Literally how every VP ever has been chosen.

  167. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    The only sign that a VP pick is a fail is when the opposition has little or nothing to say about them: See Tim Kaine.

    The right and plenty of leftist male Dems freaking out about Kamala tells me we have a great candidate.

  168. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    You seem to miss the point and have no point at the same time ladies. My theory/ opinion is that Kamala is an unwise choice because she is a “fake black lady” insofar as voters they are trying to appeal to (by choosing her) will reject Kamala as such….

    My memory is fuzzy, Cassandra. Didn’t Kamala, after the debate, to Anderson Cooper, say something like “let’s face it I am a top tier candidate and Tulsi is at 0%” ? And didn’t Tulsi rise a bit while Kamala took a downturn right after that debate? Did that happen Cassandra?

  169. Posted August 13, 2020 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    FF, as far as I can tell, very few are questioning Harris’s blackness. I mean other than Trump supporters who think that is a strategy likely to work.

    All I know is Gabbard is a has-been now and Harris has been nominated as VP.

  170. Posted August 13, 2020 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    And so far 6 black women I know have shared this statement by Ava DuVernay so my guess is that they are cool with voting for her:

    “There is no debate anymore. There’s no room for it in my book. We either make this happen. Or literally, more of us perish. People are dying. Someone I love died. This virus is real. If it hasn’t visited your doorstep, it will. Oh but, Kamala did this or she didn’t do that. I hear you. I know. And I don’t care. Because what she DIDN’T DO is abandon citizens in a pandemic, rip babies from their mother’s arms at the border, send federal troops to terrorize protestors, manufacture new ways to suppress Black and Brown votes, actively disrespect Indigenous people and land, traffic in white supremacist rhetoric in an effort to stir racist violence at every turn, attempt to dismantle most American democratic systems of checks and balance, degrade women all day everyday, infect the Supreme Court with another misogynist hack, demolish America’s standing on climate, actively cultivate and further white supremacist structures and systems across all aspects of American daily life. I mean, that’s what she DIDN’T do. So I don’t wanna hear anything bad about her. It doesn’t matter to me. Vote them in and then let’s hold them accountable. Anything other than that is insanity. It’s ego. It’s against our own interests. It’s selfish. It’s disrespectful to our elders. It’s nonsense. It’s talking to hear yourself talk. This is a matter of life or death. We need all our energy focused. This is a fight for more than can be expressed here. There is no debate anymore. Not for me anyway. #voteblue2020”

  171. Posted August 13, 2020 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Mark, have you ever considered hosting a public debate on various issues with the experts from your comment section?

  172. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    “She only torched Harris in the same way that HW wins arguments.”

    Substantiate this claim or you are full of shit. You keep saying I only win arguments a certain way. Without an example that even makes sense it’s trash.

  173. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m confused. I thought Tulsi torched her because Kamala was unable to respond to the basic facts that Tulsi brought up regarding her own record. Kamala’s response was an attempted lame and non relevant smear. You had better hope that moment is not reflective of her inability to take a punch. Kamala is touted as tough. I suspect she is a bully who falls apart the first time someone punches back. She will be fine in media and reading written statements. Put her against Pence, on an even field, in a debate, and she will collapse just like she did with Tulsi.

    Kamala seems smart to half whits who possess a strong authoritarian impulse. You know the type :)

  174. Wobblie
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Looks like the Chinese were right again. The virus reentered New Zealand Through frozen food imports.

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300081452/coronavirus-more-positive-cases-of-covid19-linked-to-americold-in-auckland

  175. Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    HW, I mean that you get into arguments, lose them, and then claim to have won them. I don’t care if you have self-awareness of this but if you want an example go back to the last time you declared yourself the winner of an argument.

    FF, I am actually looking forward to the Harris/Pence debate. I am hoping that it goes kind of like that time she questioned Barr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktdi_L0rYkk but of course the debates don’t matter too much. If they did, HRC would be president now.

  176. Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie, Ugh. that is disturbing. I was hoping that freezing would kill the virus since winter is coming.

  177. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    “HW, I mean that you get into arguments, lose them, and then claim to have won them. I don’t care if you have self-awareness of this but if you want an example go back to the last time you declared yourself the winner of an argument.”

    You say that over and over but you can’t give a single example. What is the point of living life like that? It’s one big personal propaganda mission.

  178. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Your guy:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/michael-cohen-book-claims-trump-colluded-russia-will-never-leave-n1236693

  179. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Nice payoff book. I bet certain parties will buy lots and lots of them, like a warehouse full.

  180. Posted August 14, 2020 at 5:50 am | Permalink

    Barr was clearly trying to trade Cohen’s freedom for holding off on releasing the book until after the election.

  181. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2020 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    Oh clearly

  182. Anonymous
    Posted August 15, 2020 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 10:43 am | Permalink
    Most likely we won’t need as much medicare when revenue from the trade deals greatly improves the already good economy as he mentioned.

  183. Posted August 15, 2020 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Barr was securing the release of all other Trump co-conspirators as long as they remained loyal. Cohen turned “rat” and Barr acted to send him back to confinement. That’s what makes it obvious, HW.

    It’s great that you tie the line for Trump though. Stay loyal to him no matter what he does. I’m sure you’ll be richly rewarded. Ha.

  184. Posted August 15, 2020 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    The judge ruled that Barr’s action was retaliation for Cohen’s unwillingness to keep quiet.

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