I’m endorsing Elizabeth Warren for President of the United States

My intention was to wait another year or so before calling a press conference and formally endorsing a candidate for president, but, when I saw this thread of comments today from Senator Elizabeth Warren about why she wouldn’t be following the lead of other Democratic candidates and appearing on FOX News, I decided that I’ve waited long enough. Warren, as we’ve discussed here before, continues to lead the pack on the policy front, constantly sharing new, ambitious plans on everything from how to make capitalism more accountable to how we address the student debt crisis, and I don’t see reason to hold off making an endorsement. No one else in the field, from my perspective, is even remotely close. I may not agree with her on every issue, but I love that she’s not willing to equivocate when it comes to stating her beliefs. And I admire her willingness to go absolutely anywhere (except FOX News) to talk about these big, bold, unabashedly progressive ideas of hers. She’s bright, authentic, thoughtful and driven. And we’d be lucky to have her as our president.

While a lot of people on the Democratic side are qualified for the job, Warren, I think, is uniquely positioned for the task right now, as America confronts the ramifications of unchecked corporate power and money in politics. I know there are other huge issues that we face as a country, but I can’t help but think that the biggest root cause — when you look at all of the problems that we’re facing, from rapidly increasing income inequality, to our inability to act on global warming — is the corporate stranglehold over Washington. And I don’t see anyone better equipped to take that on than Warren. She knows what needs to be done, and she knows how to talk about these issues in a way that regular Americans understand, tying everything back to the fact that an overwhelming percentage of us want the same exact things — access to quality health care, decent educations for our children, and good, middle class jobs. No one speaks to those core issues like Elizabeth Warren, and I intend to do whatever I can to make sure that more people hear what she has to say.

Now, with all of that said, here’s her Twitter thread that made me get off the sidelines.

I’m sure some of you might be thinking, “But, Mark, Donald Trump has an effective nickname for her. She can never win.” Well, to that I say, “I don’t give a fuck.” I’m not going to walk away from the best candidate in the field because a racist old man on Twitter has convinced some portion of the electorate that she’s unfit for office because, one time, decades ago, she wrote “American Indian” on a registration card for the Texas bar. [By the way, no one, to my knowledge, has been able to demonstrate that she ever sought any kind of advantage by indicating her heritage.] And, I reckon, if we could elect a president who bragged on tape about grabbing women “by the pussy” without their consent, and had unprotected anal sex with a porn star while his wife was was home with their newborn son, then maybe a women who believed members of her family in Oklahoma when they told her that they were descendants of Native American ancestors might have a fighting chance. [For what it’s worth, it did turn out that she had Native American ancestry. It just wasn’t as recent as she’d been led to believe. As I recall, her DNA test showed that she had a Native American ancestor about 7 or 8 generations back, which, as coincidence would have it, is about how far back my Native American ancestor apparently was. I don’t know if I’ve ever mentioned that, but it was the one interesting revelation my DNA test came back with a few years ago.]

I suppose it’s possible that another candidate could come along and inspire me the way that Warren does… I’ve seen flashes of it here and there from people like Kamala Harris… And if someone else wins the nomination, I’ll fight like hell for them. But, as of right now, I’m all in for Warren, and I feel really good about the decision.

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91 Comments

  1. Posted May 14, 2019 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    For what it’s worth, I also gave to her Senate campaign back in 2012, because I liked the fact that she was talking about income inequality when few others were.

  2. Posted May 14, 2019 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Sean Hannity apparently does not agree.

  3. Bob
    Posted May 14, 2019 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Oh my God. She’s gonna get slaughtered. I’ve always pretty much agreed with her on everything but she is gonna get fucking killed.

  4. Jean Henry
    Posted May 14, 2019 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    She has more mass appeal than most people know. And she was raised republican and so she can speak to broDsr values many still share. She understands more than liberal myopia but has principles.

    I don’t think any of us has any idea how well she’ll do in the general. I’m not at all convinced she’ll be the nominee but I think if she is she’ll represent Dems well. I do know that elections aren’t about ideas unless a candidate makes it so. And Warren can make it so. Bernie never did. HRC didn’t either. Though at least she tried.

    ‘I have a plan for that,’ is an amazing tag line too.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/elizabeth-warren-winning-voters-on-campaign-trail-with-personal-touch-2019-5

  5. John Brown
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Just this past week I also have been coming to prefer Warren. She’s definitely going for the base early by advocating impeachment. I’d like to hear her plan for Roger Stones armed rebellion, but otherwise she’s got most issues covered.

    The AFL-CIO came out aggressively against Biden this week by publicizing his lead pollster as being an anti-union operative. Tulsi is a ruskie stooge. Mayor Pete is too cute. Kamala Harris is still in the running in my mind, but her record as a prosecutor is a little too fascist friendly.

  6. Scott Trudeau
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Warren has been my favorite all along (though I too have been a supporter of hers since her first Senate campaign). I keep fighting to keep an open mind but she keeps setting herself above and apart in my mind with her combination of smart messaging & effectiveness on the trail; extensive, thoughtful & bold plans to solve real problems; and a real grasp on the realities of how power works in DC right now and what it will take to get any parts of her agenda passed.

    Harris is pretty high on my list and I like Gilibrand more than most. I can find things I like about most of the others still in the race but they’re either extremely & dangerously naive about the realities of DC (see Biden’s recent comments about how Republicans will come around once Trump is gone) and/or are total blank slates/avoiding any positive, compelling & achievable vision. Warren covers all those bases and I think she’ll do well is she gets up on the platform.

  7. Anonymous
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    For those of you who might not already be sold on Warren, check out this quote.

    “My Secretary of Education will be a former public school teacher.”

    Hell yeah.

    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1128297396868452354

  8. Anonymous
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    How about “My Secretary of Education will be a person committed to the idea of public education?” Merely being a public school teachers does not mean that someone is committed to the idea of free, quality education for all. There are plenty of public school teachers who are right wing Republicans.

    I don’t care if the Sec of Ed has ever taught before (does the head of the HHS have to be a doctor? Does the Sec of the Interior have to have been a park ranger? Does the head of the IRS have to have been a tax auditor?). I do care if they are committed to making education accessible and affordable for all.

    I don’t think that Warren will appoint a right winger to the post (at all), but I do think the quote is questionable. The best person for the job might not be a former public school teacher. Just campaign slogans, really.

  9. Anonymous
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    I’ll probably vote for anyone except Donald Trump.

  10. M
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    I might have agreed with you, Anonymous 2, had it not been for Betsy DeVos. I think now we need a hard reset, and how better to do that than with someone who started their career in education as a public school teacher?

  11. Sad
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    I like Warren and Pete. And Harris.

    Luckily the Democratic Party has given all three of them two out of touch old white guys to practice with before whoever hopefully wins has to take on Trump.

  12. wendyo
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    One word that describes my support for her: PRINCIPLES.

    She is unafraid to take a stand on issues by worrying about her “electability.” She is spelling out what she believes in. Too many of the other folks who are running are sticking a finger in the wind. And even though she boldly states her beliefs, don’t think for one second that she would fail to listen to counter-arguments and consider compromises under the right set of circumstances. She is my pick all the way.

  13. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Fire up the Trump Steamroller. The world’s first 2D candidate hahahaha!

  14. Josh
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Yep—name recognition at this stage. She’s doing quite well. She’s from Oklahoma. She’s intelligent and highly competent. She’s not boring or afraid to speak her mind. That’s what the “turn-able” Trump supporters liked about him—he appeared to be honest to them. Warren will appear to be honest to them, because she’s honest.

  15. Josh
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m convinced “electability” is GOP propaganda to make us overthink our candidates and fuck it up. You can tell someone is _electable_ when they are _elected._ The point of the primaries is to find the most electable candidate, by electing one. The DNC trying to pick an “electable” candidate robs the constituents of the chance to choose what they want.

    Bernie was about our intense yearning for honest progressivism and impeachment. Any candidate who doesn’t advocate openly for impeachment is trying to win the vote of imaginary undecided voters, and can’t be trusted to push for healthcare or corporate taxes.

    Besides, the criticisms of Joe Biden are simple and emotional—one clever phrase about his sexual harassment will utterly destroy him in the same way “but her emails” destroyed Hillary. Candidates who are vulnerable to simple attacks are a poor choice because we’re a simple electorate. I don’t think we have a simple emotional attack against Warren. Warren forces the conversation to policy, where she wins.

  16. Josh
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Why can’t it be a teacher as long as they’re qualified? Unless being a teacher makes you _less_ qualified to be Secretary of Education, criticizing that statement just makes you a pedantic devil’s advocate. Unless she nominates someone who’s _not_ qualified, she could say right now “the next Secretary of Education will have a first and last name which begin with the same letter” and it wouldn’t be a problem.

  17. Oliva
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Right on, Mark! I love her fearlessness and her bright mind. And then some. Yes, her principled self. Her humanity and ability to listen and keep learning. She absolutely has a chance.

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    She truly believes you can be who you want to be. She wanted to be Native American so she just went for it! Think of it: the first Native American President! AND it’s a woman!!!

  19. John Brown
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    OK, her polling on MM looks pretty good. So far we have:

    9 – Warren supporters
    1- Despised basement dwelling incel
    1- Bob

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    You wish. Beautiful home and even more beautiful Mrs. over here. Definitely loved very much. You can sense it which is why you despise me. I’ve seen it in other psychopaths. They hate who has what they can never have.

  21. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Hahaha! Polling on BarkBaynard!!! I’m sure you’ll make a real dent in Trump’s popularity with your appealing rhetoric. (Head injury survivor voice): “Ifff weee doonn’ liiike yr po-o-olaticks wee juuus’ maaake uuupp naasssty shiiit abou chooo.”

  22. Sad
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    I like her.

    I like Mayor Pete better.

  23. Jean Henry
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    HW— it’s a bad sign when you start seeing everyone else S a psychopath.
    Just saying.

    For everyone else, the electability thing is being put forward by moderates left and right. I can tell you business types are scared to death of a Warren presidency. And they love Biden. It’s the Biden campaign putting forth that narrative. Along with calling him ‘the adult in the room.’ Once he starts lecturing us like papa joe about being realistic he’s sunk.
    Her candidacy would be interesting. It would definitely change the Dem party going forward. Let’s hope.

    Meanwhile she doesn’t have enough money to run. And she never going to get big $$ donors. So we’re all going to need to pony up if we want her to make it past super Saturday.

  24. Bob
    Posted May 15, 2019 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    I like Warren a great deal but Trump is dying for her to be the candidate. I think she would get a Walter Mondale style thrashing. I can’t even imagine how ugly that race would be.

  25. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    “seeing everyone else S a psychopath”

    Didn’t know a few people = everyone.

  26. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Even if they end up with similar platforms putting Kamala and Warren on the same/similar levels does not make sense to me.

    I think a certain type of person will fail to notice or will not care that Kamala is a very bad choice for a leader. I believe she is the type of person that will do anything for power. I am not talking about the infidelity. Listen to some of her interrogations. She is intelligent but she is not interested in the truth. She is interested in using her intelligence to cast shade on the people she perceives as her enemy and she will use fallacious reasoning and innuendo to do it.

    Good people do not use deceit to create illusions. Check Kamala out more. She is truly horrible, imo.

    I don’t agree with all of Warren’s ideas, but at least she is decent person, but the way she expresses herself is kind of annoying to many, I think. Her personality will be a problem, I think.

    From the current group Tulsi is the obvious best choice for you guys, but nobody talks about her much, except to call her a Russian stooge.

  27. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Aloha, I like a lot of what Warren says, but I’m a Greybeard for Gabbard (you must be old enough to be her dad to join). Here is Joe Rogan talking to her about a host of issues for over two hours.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR8UcnwLH24

  28. Jean Henry
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Bob– why is it you thought Bernie would win in the general, where he also would be subject to a thrashing, but Warren can’t?

    What’s the calculus there?

    PS I fail to see any similarities at all between Mondale (who barely seemed interested in running) and Warren, who is on fire, even when the press isn’t paying attention and when the coffers are low.

    I think her main disadvantage is her gender (and so press bias) and her lack of funds. That’s a snake eating its own tail situation if she doesn’t get an expert grassroots fundraising apparatus going soon

  29. Bob
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Why do you hate Bernie so much? I believe he would have easily beaten Trump. He is polling far higher than Warren. Warren’s stupid native American fiasco will be impossible to overcome. Trump will run away with that one. Biden is probably a worse choice than Hillary for policy, but he might at least get back some of the white, blue collar, male voters that Hillary and Warren are never going to get. But Biden deserves to lose for his voting record and his unforgivable treatment of Anita Hill. So who’s that leave? I’m with Bernie again. There isn’t much choice. This media narrative about what a rich field of candidates Dems have is such a load. They really don’t. Most of them are deeply flawed or unelectable.

  30. John Brown
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Bob, If Bernie stays healthy enough, has momentum and Warren falters, the Browns would support him. But right now Warren has called for impeachment, Bernie has not.

    Regarding “Pocahontas”; I would love to see an embrace between her and native Americans. No one else is better on policy. No one else is better on violence against vulnerable populations. And native women, and tons of their allies, are fed up with it and could be a grassroots force.

    In the meantime, she will articulate the issues of the most people the most clearly even if she can’t find the political magic to defy your assumptions.

  31. Bob
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    You’re probably right with all of that but can she overcome the tragically bungled Pocahontas thing? I don’t think so. Can she inspire African Americans to come out and vote? That’s probably even less likely than with Hillary. I think Bernie/Harris is the ticket at this point. It will probably be Biden/Harris, unless old Joe does something completely ridiculous like picking a moderate Republican running mate. A completely possible scenario. To be clear, I really like Warren. I have for years. I would love to see her in charge of the fed or tasked with banking overhaul and corporate malfeasance. She would kill.
    I hear a lot teachers talking in my world. I’ve heard numerous white, middle-aged, solidly democratic, union women groan at the idea of Warren being the nominee. The heart of what should be her base. People find her goofy. Would these people vote for her? Of course. As even I did for Hillz. Would she inspire those less committed to get off the couch and stand in long lines to vote for her? I dunno. I really doubt it. What do I know? What does Michael Moore say? He’s the one guy who always calls it correctly.

  32. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    I thought you were going to try to beat the shit out of me. Mega puss-out. Bob, the internet pussy.

  33. Sad
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    No one has to stand in long lines anymore.

    No reason absentee.

    I hope Pete can get it together. He’s got time.

  34. Bob
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    The Pudlord can’t stand it when the grown-ups talk and it isn’t about him. Back to the kids table, Pudlord. Eat your mac-n-cheese and shut the fuck up.

  35. Jean Henry
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    “Biden is probably a worse choice than Hillary for policy, but he might at least get back some of the white, blue collar, male voters that Hillary and Warren are never going to get.”

    Ok, so sexism is your reason. To be clear, I’m not accusing you of sexism (Christ! why do I ALWAYS have to say that?), I’m saying sexism is why Bernie and Biden have a better chance than Warren.

    I don’t like Bernie, but my main beef about Bernie, is was and always will be the way sexism was employed in his campaign and by his followers. And especially the way it was denied by so many of his supporters. That was why I was talking about the race. I was not advocating for Hillary because talking about sexism is generally not going to win one any converts. I was very consistent in my message and speech about the race, calling out its sexism early on. I think Mark called me ‘nuts.’ We’ll see how he feels about it in a few months.

  36. Jean Henry
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Bob– Also, Hillary had the overwhelming support of Black voters especially women. And she received as much of the vote as every other Dem candidate other than Obama. For obvious reasons. I do not think Black voters will be persuaded to GOTV in historic numbers for a Black VP to an old white dude. They aren’t falling for that.

    Warren’s surge began when she did as well as Harris at the She the People Convention of BLACK WOMEN VOTERS. The rest followed. She can, in fact, speak to voters of many different backgrounds and speak to their interests. The kind of people who punish white liberals for missteps like genetic testing is white liberals. Black people are really fucking used to white people not getting it; that’s their lives. Black voters have immediate political concerns that any candidate can speak to so long as they are treated with due respect and heard. Bernie is a good talker not a good listener. Same with Biden.

    Warren it seems can do both.

    The two barriers to her nomination are sexism and $$ due to her legitimacy as a reformer (and then there’s the $$ problems due to sexism in media coverage– ie electability).

    She has what it takes otherwise.

  37. Jean Henry
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    https://www.vox.com/2019/4/25/18514995/she-the-people-elizabeth-warren-kamala-harris-women-of-color-voters

  38. Bob
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    I honest to God don’t remember examples of Bernie’s sexism. I think plenty of Hillary supporters still want to attribute much of the progressive dislike of Hillary to sexism, and that’s not what it was. They just didn’t like her. They didn’t like her voting record or cozy relationship with banks and Walmart.

    Biden is another thing entirely and there probably is real sexism there. It’s just a fact that he’s going to get some of the famous “Macomb County” voters that voted Reagan and Trump but also will vote for Bill Clinton or certain Dems. They aren’t going to vote for Warren, even though she’s undoubtedly looking out for their auto industry related interests far more than Biden, Trump, Obama or either Bush or Clinton. People are dumb. White male middle-class voters are especially dumb. That’s just the way it is. Biden’s record is shit. He’s a moderate Republican in the same way Hillary is. Warren would be awesome but I’ll go back to my original statement. I think she would get slaughtered. Biden will get the nomination. Hopefully he can finally cross the finish line. Anything is better than more Trump. It’s gonna be another hold your nose election.

  39. Jean Henry
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    “I honest to God don’t remember examples of Bernie’s sexism.” not for lack of having it pointed out to you, Bob.

    Chew on that a bit.

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Aha, Bob! You little bitch. Oh, you WOULD try to beat my ass if someone pointed me out. You would if you wanted to, right? If you thought I was actually worth it that is. On second thought you don’t actually want to do shit and you aren’t going to.

  41. Sad
    Posted May 16, 2019 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    I’ll wrestle you HW if we can can wear really tight little shorts and no shirts.

    If you win Trump can be president and if I win mayor Pete gets to be president.

  42. Jean Henry
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    For anyone seeking a political recharge, as well as a solid lesson in what it takes, I recommend this doc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGZc8ZjFY4

    It’s possible to create positive change. We honestly don’t have time for Biden. If he gets 8 years, we’re sunk. Literally, humanity is sunk. I will vote for him if he’s the nominee, but we simply must offer more hope than he can provide. We have to change our entire economy to one that is productive for all and that grows prosperous through technological innovation driven by climate action and adapatation, with adequate social supports, dense urban cores with a majority car-free society. We have to build a core belief in maximizing the potential of ALL people living in America.

    Our fear has been a sickness that made us hide from the mighty tasks at hand. We looked to anyone or anything to blame for our predicament. Hot tip: It’s not just capitalism and it’s not just the 1%. We used that scapegoating as a way to step aside from our responsibility.

    I have kids; I’m done fucking around.

  43. Jim Monsoon
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    I am 100% supporting Warren as well. I had hoped she’d run in 2016.
    This time around I didn’t think she’d have a chance at first, but ever since the DNA test she’s been knocking it out of the park. I like the rest of the field just fine, but her policy ideas are what this country desperately needs right now.

    Also I think Andrew Gillum would be a stellar running mate for her

  44. Sad
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    I just sent Mayor Pete another $5.

    It’s time for a new generation of leadership.

    The old people have had there chance and look where that got us.

  45. John Brown
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    “Jean Henry 2020 – She’s done fucking around” fits on a sign…

    So back to the Pocahontas thing. Seriously question: are there any Native women out there who can weigh in on flipping the script on Warrens relationship with tribes? I’d sure hate to see some cultural appropriation policing sink the otherwise best candidate for indigenous Americans in the history of the USA. If she can get something akin to #metoo, lets use #impocahontastoo as a placeholder, she could seriously energize the grassroots.

    Mark you must know someone who can speak to this possibility…

  46. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    I bet Mark knows some people who are willing to manipulate perceptions of reality for their own personal advantage.

    (Nobody will see right through any of your hashtag slogans used in your attempts to control people.)

    #youguysaresupersmart

  47. John Brown
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    FF , I’m just inspired by the genius who said “lets sell those dumb fucking holy rollers on this pussy grabbing criminal”. “We can win with a coalition of the devout, the Nazis, and the Zionists”. Your side has show us that anything is possible…..

    Asking progressive millennials to chill on their indignation over a bit of cultural appropriation is a minor ask in comparison.

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    “We have to change our entire economy to one that is productive for all and that grows prosperous through technological innovation driven by climate action and adapatation, with adequate social supports, dense urban cores with a majority car-free society. We have to build a core belief in maximizing the potential of ALL people living in America.”

    That’s the Agenda 21 lie. Stack ’em and pack ’em into urban high-rise smart (surveillance) cities and cut off access to protected wilderness. Tax everything right down to the air we breathe. Total control.

  49. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Fake John Brown is drawing a parallel to himself and horrible people that exist in his imagination, using horrible quotes he made-up.

    I am assuming those are made-up quotes, correct?

    Those people in your imagination are not “my people”. You are not who you claim to be, Fake John Brown, and my people know it.

  50. Bob
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Jean, I’m really trying hard to be reasonable. A new approach to dealing you. I have no idea what this egregious sexism is that Bernie displayed in your eyes. None. You just seem to be blind with anger that anyone dared challenge to first woman president who was anointed by Wasserman’s crooked DNC. It’s bizarre.

    Warlord, I told you the adults were talking. Get your meatloaf and get in Mom’s basement. The Walker Texas Ranger marathon starts at noon anyway.

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    You’re not even a man. That requires having reason. Don’t know how you could even think you are more intelligent, mature, wise, etc. than me. You think it’s mature to dish out abuse and even threaten to beat someone because…you don’t like Donald Trump? Very developed reasoning there for sure.

  52. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    It’s extremely mature to be fixated on some weird image you want to project onto someone to the point where you take time out of your day every day to do it. If you repeat it enough it magically becomes reality! Yup, that’s how grown-ups think. Thanks for the lesson, Grown-up Guy!

  53. Kyle Griffin by proxy
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Elizabeth Warren has issued a call for Congress to pass federal laws protecting access for women to reproductive care — including abortions.

    “Our democracy should not be held hostage by right-wing courts.”

  54. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, JB, the only candidate who has stood with Native Americans has been Tulsi.
    video is from Standing Rock
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj0ug95NvNQ

    but JB you seem to be all in favor of the “bi-partisan”, “american exceptionalism” “humanitarian war efforts.” As JH has pointed our you seem to have an infatuation with violence. Which is why you repeat the smears against Tulsi, the one candidate that will steal voters from Trump, while all the rest drive people to him. I like Warren, but her she has nothing nor Sanders, to set their foreign policy positions apart from Trump.

    The elephant in the room is our wars—nothing good will happen for our country as long as we continue to engage in them.

  55. John Brown
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    https://freepress.org/article/pocahontas-great-hero-elizabeth-warren-should-embrace

    DD, Warren needs to reach out and make a direct appeal to the indigenous constituency. I agree shes missed this opportunity, with DARPL, so far.

    I think you might misread the tendency to bloodlust in John Brown. Its been quite interesting to see the reactions to him from the extremes of the left, the right, and the basement. But you cant deny that humans are a proven blood thirsty psychopathic species. Its important to acknowledge who we’re dealing with when deciding what tactics we’re willing to use. I like the wolves, lambs, and sheepdogs analogy. Of course when the fur starts flying the distinction can easily be blurred.

    Maybe in our next lives we’ll all come back as manatees, then maybe that world peace thing, and Tulsi, has a better chance…

  56. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    No one here is more of an extremist than you. Cowardly too. You try to whip people up for a race war and blame me for it at the same time. You are a cancer to the community.

  57. Bob
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Pudlord, you need an ass beating. It’s not that I want to really. I’m just a humanitarian. You need it. Some humans just need a severe pounding occasionally so they can think straight.

  58. Frosted Flakes
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    “As JH has pointed our you seem to have an infatuation with violence. Which is why you repeat the smears against Tulsi, the one candidate that will steal voters from Trump, while all the rest drive people to him.”

    Bingo.

    Trump is serving a necessary function. It would not be a bad thing if we did not need him anymore and someone like Tulsi could take his place. Whether or not that happens greatly depends upon whether or not the thoroughly corrupt left is able to self-reflect. That is the challenge for the Fake John Browns out there. They need to look into the mirror and take inventory of what is true and what is lies and how they perpetuate those lies.

    I think Warren has some redeeming qualities relative to many of the other hopefuls but I think she has dropped some recent clues that she is far cry from the kind of leader that might inspire the sort of spiritual/ intellectual transformation that is required, amongst many on the left, so that we might be able to transcend the current political climate of which Trump is a symptom. She is going all in on the divisive game in the hopes that identity politics will win out. It won’t. She will lose and rightly so.

    Contrary to Fake John Brown’s belief Tulsi is not some dreamy peace hippy. She very much has a backbone. Do the Fake John Brown’s out there have a backbone?

    Fake John Brown has parroted the idea that Tulsi is a Russian stooge. Why? Because she saw through nonsense like “Russia, Russia, Russia….now that we have a narrative we can’t let go….” Who is Fake John Brown getting his marching orders from? He can’t answer that question because he doesn’t even know. It’s all happening to him, because, like many other people in this community, his mind is geared to passively absorb the lies.

    Status: Stooge without backbone.

  59. Sad
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    It’ll be Pete.

    And he’ll win.

  60. Jean Henry
    Posted May 17, 2019 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Bob– “Jean, I’m really trying hard to be reasonable. A new approach to dealing you.” No, you just got caught tangled in your own bullshit.

    It’s no surprise at all that you did not see the sexism in Bernie’s campaign. I can see the problems with the DNC however. i don;t know if you noticed but a whole lot of women are and were legitimately angry about sexism. And not all of us loved Hillary. Those who were not complicit however could see what was going on. I can;t tell you how many women Sander’s supporters who defended him early on have told me they can;t stand the guy now. I guess his charm wore off. There are issues that bear on inequity other than corporate over-reach. Using that bias to energize a progressive campaign is corrupt in a different way. A populist way. There isn’t just one kind of corruption. Bernie is as tone deaf to that reality and its ramifications as you are. Either that or he’s evil. I choose to believe he and you are simply myopic.

    Regardless, I had legitimate points all along that were borne out, simply a different perspective, and you were an unmitigated asshole. You erected every possible defense to avoid hearing what I was saying and applied the crudest and most inaccurate caricatures to my positions, all to inflate the false righteousness of your own. So please, take your ‘reasonable’ charity and shove it up your ass,

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 18, 2019 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    My nick is Hyborian Warlord and it is too bad you are scared to try it, Bob. Threats don’t mean much if you can’t back them up, do they?

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 18, 2019 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    Who do you think you are talking about thinking straight? I’ve been straight as a fuckin’ arrow. I hit the bullseye on collusion for one of many things. You shot yourself in the foot.

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 18, 2019 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    You ought to apologize but that requires not being little bitch anymore and there are no signs of that happening.

  64. Jean Henry
    Posted May 18, 2019 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    HW— you really do come off as painfully insecure. Seriously. Can’t you see that?

    PS I offered to lick your boots in public and pay you $1000 cash money if HRC ever gets indicted for child molestation or any of that Q bs.

    You declined to reciprocate my offer if Trump ever gets indicted.

    Who’s more insecure about their position? Who’s pathetic?

  65. Sad
    Posted May 18, 2019 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Maybe these words from Mayor Pete offer us all something to think about?

    Remember when they said Trump would never win the nomination!

    And in spite of Trumps inexperience he does seem to do a pretty good job of forwarding his agenda.

    https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/05/18/pete-buttigieg-bullying-iowa-caucus-election-gay-trump/3726109002/

  66. Jean Henry
    Posted May 18, 2019 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    “And in spite of Trump’s inexperience, he does seem to do a pretty good job of forwarding his agenda.” — so you’re all for more totalitarian creep and the dismantling of the institutions of our Democracy, SAD? Everyone fucking knows that a strongman is more effective at getting his agenda through. There are things more important than one’s agenda. Like our democratic institutions and the freedoms that they support and which in turn, sustain them.

  67. Sad
    Posted May 19, 2019 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Freedom. Democracy. Security.

  68. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 19, 2019 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    The CIA is our most cherished national treasure. Without them to protect our Constitutional Republic what would become of us?

  69. Meta
    Posted May 19, 2019 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    GQ: “Elizabeth Warren Deserves Your Undivided Attention”

    “Warren has used this early phase of the campaign to propose and commit, in full, to nearly ALL of the good ideas. Her campaign has been about issues, not just the longstanding con of perceived electability, and she has already staked out a platform rooted in direct opposition to Trumpism, a platform every Democrat should be gathering upon.”

    Read more:
    https://www.gq.com/story/elizabeth-warren-deserves-your-undivided-attention

  70. Sad
    Posted May 19, 2019 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    I’ve never watched Fox before.

    Mayor Pete seemed to do quite well.

    Man the graphics and music are really over the top though.

    It even made Trump mad that Fox was feature Pete.

  71. Jean Henry
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    HW– a suggestion here that corruption of power does not happen only in one place and not in others. Another reminder also that those in power tend to align so as to retain their authority rather than fight one another and so destroy the institutions that give them power. They will however reliably join forces to narrow the focus of power into the hands of the fewer and fewer . Then and only then will they go after one another.

    Ignoring one consolidation of high-level power because you fear another within the same government is, frankly, stupid. Almost as stupid as a comic book super hero Trump democracy rescue fantasy.

  72. Jean Henry
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    ““This category of recent conspiracy theorists is really a global network of village idiots,” Pozner tells Merlan. “They would have never been able to find each other before, but now it’s this synergistic effect of the combination of all of them from all over the world. There are haters from Australia and Europe and they can all make a YouTube video in fifteen seconds.”

    During the 2016 Presidential election, Zeynep Tufekci was watching tapes of Trump rallies when she noticed something odd. Tufekci, an associate at Harvard’s Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society and a self-described techno-sociologist, found that YouTube began cuing up for her videos filled with racist diatribes and Holocaust denials. She wondered what was going on, so she created another account and began watching clips of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. This time, she found herself directed to what she later described in the Times as “videos of a leftish conspiratorial cast,” including some that argued that the U.S. government was responsible for the attacks of September 11th.

    Tufekci concluded that YouTube had decided that the best way to hold viewers’ attention was to push them toward more and more sensational material. The motive wasn’t political; it was commercial. And probably the scheme wasn’t the work of a cabal, or even a person, but of an algorithm. “What we are witnessing is the computational exploitation of a natural human desire: to look ‘behind the curtain,’ ” Tufekci wrote.

    At a minimum, what’s new about the “new conspiracism” is the number of people exposed to it. If there’s a “natural human desire” to get at some hidden truth, it’s never been easier to indulge that desire—or to imagine doing so—via YouTube or Infowars or Twitter. It’s unclear how many of those who are led to posts on the “truth” about 9/11 or listen to Alex Jones or follow Trump’s tweets actually believe what they encounter, but only a tiny fraction can create a very big problem; after all, almost two billion people click on YouTube videos every month. In a tacit acknowledgment of responsibility, Pinterest blocked vaccine-related searches on its sites after measles outbreaks in several states this winter. Facebook, too, recently said that it would “reduce the ranking of groups or Pages that spread misinformation about vaccinations.” In January, without ever explaining how its “up next” algorithm works, YouTube announced that it would “begin reducing recommendations of borderline content,” including videos “making blatantly false claims about historic events like 9/11.”

    Meanwhile, Pizzagate stumbles on. A couple of months ago, another man was arrested in connection with Comet Ping Pong—this one for setting fire to the place. ”

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/22/whats-new-about-conspiracy-theories

  73. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    “HW– a suggestion here that corruption of power does not happen only in one place and not in others. Another reminder also that those in power tend to align so as to retain their authority rather than fight one another and so destroy the institutions that give them power. They will however reliably join forces to narrow the focus of power into the hands of the fewer and fewer . Then and only then will they go after one another.
    Ignoring one consolidation of high-level power because you fear another within the same government is, frankly, stupid. Almost as stupid as a comic book super hero Trump democracy rescue fantasy.”

    Just say what you want about the CIA or whatever you are trying to talk about. Your writing is so unclear.

  74. Sad
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    Mayor Pete made a good impression on Fox news. Even criticizing some of the Fox pundits on the network.

    Warren needs to broaden her scope. We should talk to people we disagree with.

    I would never know about the vast conspiracy that rules our world if I hadn’t taken the time to listen to HW.

  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    It’s so interesting to watch you people flop around mindlessly while the world changes before my eyes. You ridicule elite child sex trafficking but will not discuss NXIVM. Very strong position, you think?

  76. Sad
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    Mayor Pete will take care of it HW.

  77. Sad
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Did something bad happen to you HW that you have such empathy for victims of sex abuse?

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    No sexual abuse towards me in my life but people who I love have suffered at the hands of others. What happened to you that you are flippant about it?

  79. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Aloha, this is what climate change looks like. Only two known atmospheric jet stream stalling events lasting more than two weeks prior to the 1990’s. Seven since, with four in this millennium. But hey, let’s just pretend the world is not warming quickly.

    https://physicsworld.com/a/summer-weather-extremes-linked-to-stalled-rossby-waves-in-the-jet-stream/

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    From skimming it they don’t even speculate these Rossby waves are caused by CO2 emissions. That’s the fallacious part. How do you know it’s not caused by massive deforestation? We have to focus on reversing that problem to stop losing biodiversity on Earth anyways. More trees equates to less CO2. Don’t get caught in fraudulent carbon tax scams.

  81. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, I assume you have told the Trump administration how you oppose its plans for logging in the Tongass National Forest. I presume you will do the right thing and will with hold your vote from those politicians who are recklessly engaging in whole sale deforestation.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alaska-forest-logging/logging-plan-for-alaskas-tongass-national-forest-challenged-in-court-idUSKCN1SE068

    and then of course they want to also clear cut West Virginia. Given your understandings of the importance of forest on C02 I can understand how it is impossible to continue to support a “cut it all down” administration.

  82. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, HW just like with EOS (whose non-reply about Yemen genocide could be interpreted as a principled rejection of Trump and his support of that genocide) I presume you are a principled person and would not let partisan tribal bickering get in the way of doing what you know is right. By the way, I’ve never expressed any opinion on carbon tax schemes fraudulent or other wise.

  83. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    I think you have to reckon with carbon taxes and related policies since that is what the policy makers want. Green New Deal, right? You have to at least provide a rationale for how weather anomalies are caused by CO2 emissions also. Otherwise it’s not much of an argument against anything I’ve said.

  84. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    aloha HW, I was not aware we were arguing (but then I am a dolt and could have missed it). I thought you were pointing out the importance of trees and forest in preserving the diversity of our environment, and their importance in mitigating climate change. I agree with you on their importance. I had followed that up with an article about the Trump administration wanting to engage in forestry policies that given what you had said indicated you opposed. Your red herring is interesting but irrelevant. Eliminating fossil fuel subsidies as Tulsi is calling for, would be a far more effective way to transition to a renewable sustainable energy system. We end the wars and scale back the military, (a major green house gas emitter), and we’ll have money left over to pay for the training/retraining of our workforce while mitigating some of the worst effects of our current destructive policies.

  85. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    I thought you were talking about climate change before I brought up deforestation. Climate change which requires CO2 emissions to occur, correct? I thought that’s what you have been talking about for a long time. What is your point otherwise?

    Regarding logging POTUS has advocated for controlled logging in California that would prevent the disastrous forest fires they have because of their current policies. Not intelligent or wise?

  86. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Some 42,000 acres out of 17 million might not be that bad. Supposedly some 200,000 acres of rainforest are lost every DAY.

  87. John Brown
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    I’ll argue with you. I thought agent orange was gonna get a bunch of Finn and Swedes to rake the forest floor?

    Seriously, the Cali fires are mostly in fire adapted grass and brush land that hasn’t been allowed to burn until the fuel built up to catastrophic levels. It is not an ecotype you’re going to get much useful lumber outta. And loggers don’t get paid for cleaning up junk wood. They take the good wood and leave even more fuel behind. Ever fell and bucked a tree? Lots of waste.

    Maybe Dolt can popularize grass skirts to use up some of the overgrown grasses? But more frequent fire is what it needs.

    https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/12/a-century-of-fire-suppression-is-why-california-is-in-flames/

  88. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, “Some 42,000 acres out of 17 million might not be that bad”, thank you for teaching me the nuances of hypocrisy. Destroying forests, is like tearing the lungs out of the planet.
    Greenhouse gases include more than just CO2. Methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas. That is one of the reasons Tulsi talks about the need to change the way we engage in agriculture. After the fossil fuel industries, and war, the agri-business industries are the next most powerful driver of greenhouse gas emissions.
    It is the warming of the arctic which is causing the release of methane, and one of the reasons why despite the leveling off of C02 emissions that global warming is continuing. You may know of the concept of reinforcing feedback loops. That is why the arctic is warming up so much faster than the rest of the planet. In the world I was born into, it NEVER got into the mid 80’s F above the arctic circle. You may have heard of PERMAFROST. Well as permafrost melts (which it does when it is that warm) it releases methane. The increase in methane, causes yet higher temperatures (it is a many times more powerful greenhouse gas than Co2)–why it is called a reinforcing feedback loop. The rapid decline in sea ice is another feedback loop which is causing ever increasing temperatures in the arctic as well. White ice reflects sunlight, open water absorbs sunlight and heat, causing the water to warm, melting additional ice. It is these reinforcing feedback loops, which are occurring at a ever increasing rate which is why (given the nuanced hypocrisy that you and other’s of like mind embody) are days are numbered. You might want to check out the Arctic Methane Emergency Group for more info.
    https://www.facebook.com/ArcticMethaneEmergencyGroup/

    How many sealed indictments now? That is just so much more important than my drivel, I know this because I am just a dolt and nothing I say matters.

  89. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Don’t worry the effects of climate change won’t be felt for years. They are busy raising the streets in Miami Beach by two feet as a give away to the construction industry.

    https://www.miamirealestateguy.com/miami-beach-to-raise-west-avenue-1-to-2-feet-to-combat-rising-sea/

    Same problem with the Navy port at Virginia Beach in VA. They are having to construct new berths for the aircraft carriers and other ships because the current ones are swamped by rising sea levels. Just a bunch of pollyanna’s. I’m with you HW, we should do nothing but follow our great leader.

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    So what makes you think gasses are causing temp spikes in certain spots? There is so much methane and CO2 in the area it just heats it up that hot for a while? Doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense. …Even the simple arithmetic widget here is wrong half the time.

  91. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 20, 2019 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, Did you check out the Arctic Methane Emergency Group web page. Excellent presentation by Katharine Hayhoe from Texas Tech Climate Science Center at Trinity College at Cambridge on that very question.

    https://www.facebook.com/climateseries/videos/2256516687896388/

    In my doltish way I learned some thing from listening to her.

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