It’s because of things like this that I still support Elizabeth Warren

Feel free to talk about Michael Bloomberg’s performance, or anything else from tonight’s bare knuckle boxing match of a debate, but I just want to take this opportunity to reiterate that I’m still with Elizabeth Warren. Watching this tonight, I think it’s clear that she’s the most thoughtful person in this campaign, and the one best suited to make an anti-corruption case against Donald Trump. She’s the right person for this moment.Here’s some more, if you don’t believe me.

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  1. David Simon
    Posted February 19, 2020 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    David Simon: “And this, good people, is why Warren Is my first choice. Progressive politics and a taste for the jugular in a political contest that will only get uglier as we march to November. I want her coming off the top rope with a folding chair on Donald Trump.”

  2. Sad
    Posted February 19, 2020 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Why is she only coming out of her corner now?

    She should have been doing this from the get go.

  3. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    This from the post for Bob and all the other Bernie Bro deniers around these parts. Just once I would like to hear Bernie say, “It’s ok to not agree with me on everything and my supporters need to stop attacking people who do.”
    “Early in the debate, one of the chief lines of attack on Sanders was the nastiness of his supporters, particularly online. “Why is it especially the case among your supporters?” Buttigieg asked Sanders. Sanders, though, wouldn’t grant the premise. “I don’t think that’s especially the case, by the way,” Sanders said. **Any political journalist could tell you that’s the case.** Sanders supporters may not have a monopoly on such tactics, but it’s 100 percent more of an issue with his supporters. And to deny there’s anything unusual about them is to skirt the issue. It plays into the idea that Sanders isn’t taking this particularly seriously.

  4. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    Warren had a good night. The Post article I linked above makes it sound like that was only good for Bernie. I really hope that’s not the case but I suspect it might be.

    Still, imagine a male candidate having a great night and the press saying that’s good for an opponent.

  5. John Brown
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Bernie did rightly point out that that the ruskies are in fact meddling, and are almost certainly cultivating the impression of divisivness within the Democrats.

  6. Frosted Flakes
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    Division amongst the Democrats is an illusion created by the Russians?

  7. iRobert
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    Lil’ Mikey Bloomberg didn’t respond well to Warren’s confrontation. He should have known it was coming. Why he didn’t ask someone with sense how best to respond is mind boggling. How can a billionaire and former mayor of NYC be that poorly prepared?


    Biden probably had his best night yet. The key was that he was limited to simple responses, usually just amounting to “I’ve actually done stuff.”

  8. iRobert
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    It was a little strange that Mayo Pete attacked Senator Klobuchar for forgetting the Mexican President’s name…momentarily I assume. The only reason I can imagine for that attack is that his campaign’s internal polls have shown Klobuchar is taking chunks out of his support. That move made lil Pete look pricky.

  9. Sad
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    IRobert are you switching from mayo Pete to lil Pete?

    Trump prefers Alfred E Neuman.

    He’s got a lot riding on his performance this Saturday.

  10. iRobert
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    I switch back and forth between lil Pete and Mayo Pete. Alfred E. Neuman is fun too.

    Attacking Senator Klobuchar because the Mexican president’s name slipped her mind was a douchey move. I think it hurt him.

    Senator Warren saved her campaign last night. She brought in 3 million dollars overnight. That’s going to keep her in the race a bit longer.

  11. Lynne
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    In most polls, most democrats say that they are willing to vote for whoever gets the nomination. I would say that there is more unity than division even though the Bernie Bros are doing their best to keep that from being the case. It seems obvious to me that Russian trolls have figured out that Bernie Bros divide the party and are making the most of it. At least Sanders *finally* stepped up to say something about it.

    I have really been enjoying the twitter memes about Warren this morning. Lots of great wits out there on the internet!

  12. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Biden pretty much got thrown in a corner by moderators and the candidates. I can’t say I didn’t enjoy that. He’s done and offered nothing really.

    I don’t believe Biden’s ambition is for this country.
    I’m not sure Bernie’s is.
    (I’m not sure HRC’s was either if that ehlps)
    I believe Pete’s and Amy’s are.
    I’m sure Warren’s is.

  13. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    “Division amongst the Democrats is an illusion created by the Russians?”– FF

    No, division among Democrats are played to by the Russians. Divisions between all American factions are manipulated by the Russians. This is well established. That’s their M/O. Their aim is to disrupt faith in American plurality and democracy and encourage a more authoritarian style of governance here (and elsewhere) . They do this to weaken the counterpoint our very existence and success poses to their model. They do this to weaken us. BEcause to divide is to weaken.

    Why do you take obviously valid, complex and well-demonstrated points and paint them as reductive and ridiculous? This rhetorical mode of wholescale dismissal is really blatantly corrupt.

  14. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Where was Warren? Winding up I guess.

    I’m glad she made herself visible. I’m glad she can fight. I think it’s going to be necessary.

    I still wish they were arguing about policy more than launching personal attacks but maybe I’m just naive.

  15. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    #OnlyBernie is also trending on Twitter. The Bernie or Bust crowd are at it again. I hope they are not representative. I truly hope they are the creation of Russian Bots. And I hope someone shows that before the convention. It suspect it’s going to be a hell of an event.

  16. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Here we go! Just like 2016 around this time. Bernie’s campaign is winding up the populist bats to attack legitimate media, the Dem party, the electoral process, pluralism itself– every bit of the 4th estate critical to our democracy’s survival. If it’s anything like last time, wait till NY! Then the aggression will really fly. I’m kind of counting on Warren to keep him in check, as the only populist in the room with integrity. Although Pete got hi good on this last night too.

  17. Lynne
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    This tweet is my favorite so far

  18. Frosted Flakes
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Jean has an interesting perspective which seems to rely on her assumption that the establishment Democrat position should not be weakened. People to the left and right of Jean question that assumption *obviously* and it has nothing to do with Russia.

  19. Frosted Flakes
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Do you get what I am saying Jean? You, J Bro and Lynne are on the forefront of creating your share of division between yourselves and people who are supporters of Tulsi and Bernie. That is a fact. Are you agents of Russia? Or are you recognizing real difference between your views and others and doing what you can to win?

    You have the perspective of someone who feels entitled to be the front runner. Why? It does not work that way—nor should it— because pluralism.

  20. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    What part of’ kernel of truth’ don’t you understand FF. Legitimate outrage can be manipulated. It makes people marks. Placing a kernel of truth in a shit sandwich of lies can fool a lot of people. That’s why McDonald’s adds sugar to their onions, sauces, fries– well pretty much everything. No part of me spends any time supporting the Dem Party. I think the parties (plural) are necessary. The rest is up for play and criticism. I do not think the DNC is corrupt so much as often misguided.

    Lynne and I as individuals can criticize whoever we want about whatever we want and face the replies. We have our voices as individuals and use them. We aren’t trying to move the electorate. We don’t represent any particular group, except maybe feminism– more a feminist perspective– which is a critical lens producing many viewpoints, not an ideology. Feminist like Democrats are constantly in discussion about the best path forward, how to achieve equity, how to be fair, etc etc. And like Democrats, many outside the movement, and some within, will try to harness those discussions to sow divisions and break us up into pieces. Or get elected.

    The candidate we support however is not manipulating the legitimate anger of many of the US voting public to lie to them and stoke fear in them. I believe she holds herself to a higher standard than that. She does not say it’s her way or none at all. That’s not her deal.

    I don’t think Lynne or I are like that either, but this comment section is a sexist cesspool and it’s hard not to just get dismissive to save time. It’s hard ti imagine offending anyone here matters.

  21. Frosted Flakes
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Putin loves it when Jean brings Mcdonalds into the conversation because the topic “Mcdonalds” has a history of dividing Jean and Lynne. Putin Puppet.

  22. Bob
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    It’s going to be hilarious when you assholes have to vote for Bernie

  23. Frosted Flakes
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Don’t worry Lynne you and Jean are still buds. It was not Jean who said it. It was really Putin who just said you eat “shit sandwiches”.

  24. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Interesting. Wow. Reading this because bros have been attacking Warren for defending the legitimacy of Super Delegates. The Convention might be a riot.

    “Before the 2000 election, you could also have said that there was very little chance the Electoral College would affect the outcome. After all, it had not determined the choice of a president in more than a century. But as the 2000 and 2016 elections should have reminded us, historically infrequent events sometimes do happen—and happen repeatedly—with enormous consequences.

    This year, it is entirely possible no candidate for the Democratic nomination will emerge from the primaries and caucuses with a first-ballot majority of delegates. Unlike the GOP, the Democratic Party has no winner-take-all primaries; the delegates are proportionally allocated. And the field of candidates appears to be exceptionally large. There could easily be 17 candidates, as the Republicans had in early 2016—except without the winner-take-all primaries to reduce that number.

    So here’s the problem. The DNC has just delegitimized the superdelegates, while setting up a procedure that may well make their votes decisive on a second or subsequent ballot—in which case the party’s nominee could start out the fall campaign seriously wounded.

    A Democratic candidate who came into the convention with a plurality of delegates and was put over the top by superdelegates on the first ballot would not face a legitimacy problem. In fact, since the creation of superdelegates in the 1980s, they have always reinforced the choice of primary and caucus voters. But the new procedure doesn’t allow superdelegates to perform that function on the first ballot. It both undermines and highlights what may be their deciding role. It may also accentuate party divisions, create more opportunity for backroom deals, and prevent the ultimate winner of the nomination from planning the convention to maximize its impact on voters.

    If the superdelegates are to have any role—and I believe they should—the DNC should have been concerned to reaffirm their legitimacy. Many of the superdelegates are members of Congress, governors, and other elected officials. Depriving them of a role at the convention on the ground that they are “elites” not chosen by the voters makes no sense. These are the Democrats who have won general elections; if anything, they have enjoyed the support of more voters than the delegates chosen in primaries, which typically have much lower turnout.

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    FF– Lynne and I do not have to agree to be feminists. What part of “not an ideology” don’t you get.

    I can dislike McDonald’s sandwiches and Lynne can enjoy them. Food taste is subjective. (Except for the sugar thing because every human likes sugar– science) I don’t care what anyone else eats. Except when my terrier eats plastic– which is all the time.

    (But if Putin did want to foster disagreement between Lynne and me then talking about the American food industry and food culture might be the place to start.)

    Bob– I have voted for white dudes I didn;t respect in every election so far. Why stop now? I’ll enjoy voting for Bernie actually if he makes it– because the coalition that would get him the nomination necessarily marginalizes sexist asshole voices like yours to the fringes.

  26. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Oh man… Yikes. A contested convention seems likely. I know it’s early but those odds concern me.

    Who will win the Democratic Primary

    No one
    2 in 5
    1 in 3
    1 in 8
    1 in 12
    1 in 100
    1 in 100
    <1 in 100

  27. Frosted Flakes
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    I am a unifier, Jean. I already pointed out that Putin was the one responsible for saying Lynne eats “shit sandwiches”. I agree, you called the sandwiches that’s Lynne loves “sugar sandwiches”. Sugar is different than shit. Science.

    Hopefully, in this small example, we can all see how Putin is trying to divide us on

  28. Frosted Flakes
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 3:49 pm | Permalink


    You bring up “Feminism is not an ideology” a lot. Usually it is out of left field. For example, I have no idea why you brought up feminism just now. Seems odd. Anyway, I am wondering if you could offer the definition of “ideology”, which you use.

  29. I bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, “I dont believe in conspiracy theories but the Russians are manipulating Democrats divisions, its a well established fact” JH, is a bit slow on the uptake. Every since the DNC removed superdelegate voting in the first ballot and required at least a 15% showing for any delegates, a brokered convention has been in the works. You should be rooting for it, it is Hilaries best chance for a come back—unity candidate and all that.

  30. I bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, Democratic Party chairmen vicechairs etc are superdelegates, non of whom have ever been elected by anything other than party insiders. Many are also awarded positions for past service to the party. Not necessarily the folks you think.

  31. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    FF– Feminism is a form of criticism. IT does not have forgone conclusions or purity tests. It simply looks at things from the perspective of the collective and individual female experience of oppression. It is not the only way to look at it and individual experiences color conclusions. The aim is always, however, to empower women and assert their right to self-agency. Many feminists do not even consider equality to be a concern. We don’t need to be equal to deserve equity. Ideology often sneaks into feminism (especially marxism) and seeks to define proper behavior and approaches– but has consistently been tossed out in favor of a more liberal POV. Feminism has evolved rapidly over the last century, even the last 10 years. Strict ideologies are notable for their intractability and resistance to alteration.

    Ideologies are belief systems (often political or religious or both) that demand compliance. So discourse within an ideology is about whether or not an individual or group is conforming to the belief system whereas a critical lens accepts and takes interest in multiple conclusions and ways of being and negotiations with the majority system.

    Many anti-feminists view feminism as a rigid ideology based in hate and intended to divide. That’s just dead wrong. Feminsim a critical perspective that can be applied analytically to just about anything and that offers insight but no prescribed conclusions. Its goal is to lift up and unify and free humans from the restrictive gender roles, norms etc that divide us.

    Hannah Arendt talks a lot about ideologies.

  32. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Wobbllie– Super Delegates are elected within the party. The Democratic party makes its own nominating rules. People running for the Dem nomination can only be nominated by those rules which they know in advance. If they want to change them, then they can employ the democratic process within the party to do so. And Sanders did. The current superdelgate rules were designed by Sanders people. And the old one was designed in the 80’s by Tad Devine, who was Bernies campaign manager in 2016.

    Bernie hated the super delegate system and then he said he would use it to overide the HRC nomination if he could. And now he and his followers are protesting the rule they developed… again.

    That is corruption. That is populist corruption– pretending the system is rigged against you when you fucking designed the system in order to stoke outrage and the belief that you and only you are NOT corrupt.

    You know who else likes to question the legitimacy of the electoral process in order to make his followers believe he’s the underdog?– Trump– and all Putin bots.

  33. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    RE: Russian manipulation of the 2016 election. It’s well confirmed. Not a conspiracy theory.

    As I said I rely on expert opinion. I don’t imagine I could be one, because I’m not someone who believes in conspiracies until they are proven and so NOT THEORIES.

    The only thread left that anyone denying Russian involvement had was Assange and he just rolled over Trump on that one.

  34. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    I do like the conspiracy theory that I made up that Kushner is a cultivated Russian asset. It’s entertaining but I don’t even know if it qualifies because it’s really just him and a few KGB agents and maybe some Israeli agents involved. And only I believe it. It colors what I read about him, which isnt much. So maybe I’m just a low-effort conspiracy dabbler.

    Part of me really does expect that 20 years or so from now, we will find out the truth and that no one but me will remember that time I said that.

  35. Lynne
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Funny you should mention the sugar thing because I have mostly stopped eating added sugar and have found that my taste palette has changed such that I don’t eat at McDonald’s much anymore. I don’t like the taste of it as much as I used to (too sweet). I am always ok with choosing food based on taste and my tastes have changed. I blame these California people who like cooking so they do most of the cooking and don’t add sugar to most things.

    I have no desire to rehash past arguments about this with Jean either but I do find your attempts to bring that up interesting FF. Is there a reason for that?

    Bob, no one *has* to vote for Bernie but many of us will anyway because we aren’t assholes who are willing to throw vulnerable people under the bus in the name of ideological purity. If Bloomberg gets the nomination, I will vote for him too! Although I have serious issues with him and will not vote for him in the primary, there is a part of me that hopes he beats Sanders in the primaries. I think the schadenfreude I will get watching the Bernie bros lose their minds will make me feel better about someone like Bloomberg getting the nomination.

    I accept that there is a good chance for Bernie to get the nomination and want whoever does to win. If you don’t think Bernie will have trouble getting certain segments of the population out to vote for him in the general election, you are mistaken. One of the things that Bernie Bros don’t seem to get is that if he wins the nomination, they are going to need the votes from the people they harass and threaten. It may be Russians but right now there are a ton of them invading various Warren groups I am part of. They are gaslighting those Warren supporters who were HRC supporters before about their experiences in 2016. I just watch as it makes those people remember all that hurt to the point where I worry that they may stay home if Sanders wins. I worry less that many of them are saying that if Warren drops out, they are going to vote for Bloomberg.

    I don’t care enough about Super Delegates to do anything about them. I will leave that up to those who do care but will refuse to take seriously the complaints of those who don’t join the party if they want change in areas like that. I will keep some kind of boilerplate response on my PC in case there is a contested convention and they give the nomination to someone other than Bernie. (I have no doubts that if the SD’s somehow give the nomination to Bernie, the Bros, being the hypocrites that they are, will be just fine with that. )

  36. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Lynne– the larger superdelegate point is that the system was reformed by Bernie supporters in 2018 and now Bernie objects to the rules his people designed. And his bros are calling Warren anti-democratic for saying they need to follow the nominating rules that Berners pushed through.

    It’s important to remember that Berners designed the system he now objects to. And his supporters are calling the system they designed undemocratic in order to make Bernie seem like the underdog.

    Since Bernie is only winning over q quarter of Dem voters so far and there are many many candidates, it’s entirely possible that the convention will go to the second vote with super delegates deciding. the way his people designed it. So please remember in your copy-paste responses to a contested convention that they designed the 2020 Dem nominating system.

    Those Californians… and young people… My daughter and young vegie friends are moving me towards an almost entirely vegetarian diet. It’s not so much about taste or ethics as the planet. But also, at some point this winter, cooking pork posole I felt a strong aversion and couldn’t eat it. I have been present for the slaughter and butcher (humanely) of a few pigs. They don’t go lightly, esp compared to other animals. So I don’t know if it was the slaughters or the climate or the grease or the pig we had named Millhouse who I couldn’t eat either, but I’m done with pork and increasingly more. I’ll keep cooking it for friends though. And I think i may just blame Californians for the change, because that will go over here in Whitmore Lake. Also home to a surprising number of young vegetarians.


  37. Frosted Flakes
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 6:20 pm | Permalink


    I highlighted the topic of McDonald’s after Jean mentioned McDonald’s because I was trying to poke fun at the notion that Putin is responsible for division amongst Dems. You guys are responsible for more than your fair share of divisive behavior.

    The impulse to blame Putin for people increasingly being critical of establishment Dems is initself a divisive act because it is dismissive of the substance of the criticism against establishment Dems. The impulse comes from a habituated sense of entitlement to political control. In short, the impulse to blame Putin is indicative of a failure to look into the mirror and self -reflect on criticisms coming from the outside.

    These are just my opinions and open to debate…

  38. Jean Henry
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    FF– For the last time. The Russians manipulated existing differences to foment discord and disrupt people’s willingness to vote. His bots have been shown to have most effectively manipulated Trump voters– creating fake news stories confirming their biases some of whihc Trump repeated.

    They manipulated everyone. Interestingly, HRC’s (the non-populist candidate) followers were the LEAST likely to be manipulated by fake news stories.

    There is lots of documentation that this happened and how it happened.

    The Dem party is a big tent that actually welcomes disparate voices and does not demand compliance. There are always reasonable disagreements. It’s democracy. That’s how it is supposed to be.

    There is a vast difference between reasonable disagreements and unreasonable stoked, fear-based outrage and disinformation. I guess it’s no surprise that both Bernie and Trump have such a hard time with the Dem party since they seem to prefer the latter.

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 6:53 pm | Permalink


    I have always accepted Russian meddling was However, I have often wondered about the extent and actual effect. I have never received a satisfactory answer regarding extent. I have asked many times for examples of the supposedly most influential Russian social media media pieces that you social media types encountered—but you guys failed to supply them….You like to pretend like you know stuff Jean. You post things from “experts” that are mostly innuendo, posturing and spin but they sometimes have a bit of truth slip out accidentally. From the wired article you just shared:

    “ So anyone trying to tell you there was little impact on political views from the tools the Russians used doesn’t know. Because none of us knows. No one has looked. Social media companies don’t want us to know, and they obfuscate and drag their feet rather than disclosing information. The analytical tools to quantify the impact don’t readily exist. But we know what we see, and what we heard—and the narratives pushed by the Russian information operation made it to all of our ears and eyes.”

    Haha. We know what we see? Who is we? What did we “see”? Again I have always been willing to accept that Russian meddling is a fact but how meaningful is it if you are unable to define the extent of the meddling? You are a conspiracy theorist Jean.

  40. Lynne
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Jean, you can choose to eat or not eat anything you would like for any reason and I would not have a problem with it. However, I fully support blaming Californians for such things. LOL

  41. I bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, you said the Russians are meddling in this election. I know you basically live in the past, but you are the only one still talking 2016. No the Sanders people (whomever they are) did not create the current superdelegate system. The establishment Dems were forced into a compromise with the progressive wing of the party. I know how much you love compromises. I would think you would be singing hosannas. I hear you and Lynne going after Bernie all the time. I dont see anyone, going after Liz, Amy, even Pete. You are the divider and splitter. Like Bloomberg, protect your class interest regardless of the cost.

  42. Sad
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Mayor Pete is looking good for Saturday.

    I like Bernie, Amy, Warren, heck all of them.

    But especially Mayor Pete.

  43. iRobert
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Is it true that Kant night’s “debate” was the most watched Democratic primary “debate” in US history?

  44. iRobert
    Posted February 20, 2020 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Sorry about posting with that ridiculous typo. I meant to ask if it is true that last night’s “debate” was the most watched Democratic primary “debate” in US history? That’s what they’re saying on NBC. They’re claiming 20 million people watched. They’re also saying Warren raised over five million dollars since last night.

  45. Posted February 20, 2020 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Warren is still going.

  46. I bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Aloha iRobert, dont know if this is why Liz raised so much money, but she evidently flip flopped on big money and superpac support again.
    I dont mean this in a disparaging way mind you. She has always maintained she would take whatever money necessary to win general, and Bloomberg has clearly raised the money ante.
    Sanders and Tulsi continue to honor their commitment to only take money from human beings.

  47. Jean Henry
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    “The establishment Dems were forced into a compromise with the progressive wing of the party. I know how much you love compromises.” Yes that’s called Democracy. And the Bernie faction designed the compromise. I know you love the idea of authoritarian leftist domination but that’s not how our country works. And I vote against my own self-interest most of the time. Locally, all of the time. (Since my only wealth is in housing)

  48. iRobert
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Wobblie just wants the US to be a mature country, Jean, like Iran.

  49. Lynne
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    *cough* Is not Our Revolution an organization that accepts dark money? Sanders accepts their help.

  50. Anonymous
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    501(c)(4) nonprofit Our Revolution, which was formed in the wake of the 2016 election by Sanders campaign officials and surrogates, is organizing phone banking, canvassing, and other volunteer efforts to boost Sanders’ campaign. The group is not a super PAC, as a poorly worded Associated Press headline has led some social media users to believe.

    Local Our Revolution branches are supporting Sanders by “mobilizing their members to vote in primaries,” Paco Fabián, director of communications and campaigns at Our Revolution said. The group will not use “ads, flyers, or paid phone bankers or canvassers,” he said. “Our total base of support is several million people, and they do not need persuasion, as our members overwhelmingly support Bernie. Our strategy is to make sure folks turn out.”

    Fabián said that all Our Revolution donors are individuals. The largest donation in 2019 was $25,000, and several individuals gave $5,000 each, but the average contribution that year was less than $18, he said. The group lists every donor who gave more than $250 on its website.

    “We think it is dangerous to equate corporations and billionaires pooling their money to buy elections to grassroots groups such as ourselves, Sunrise, Center for Popular Democracy, People’s Action, composed of people like us—Black, Brown, young, and working people who believe that together, we can make a difference in this country through organizing,” said Fabián.

    Our Revolution has come under scrutiny for spending money benefiting Sanders’ campaign because a federal law prohibits groups formed by a candidate to spend money to support that candidate. Good-government group Common Cause filed a complaint with the FEC in January.

    Fabián disputes Common Cause’s complaint as “gotcha games,” saying that Sanders “recused and removed himself within weeks of the Our Revolution launch. Larry Cohen recruited the Board without consultation with Sanders and the Board hires the Executive Director, currently Joseph Geevarghese. Sanders has no ongoing policy or managerial role within Our Revolution.”

    The other member groups of the People Power for Bernie coalition are Democratic Socialists of America, Make the Road Action, Progressive Democrats of America, and Student Action, a branch of People’s Action.

  51. Jean Henry
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Does Sanders campaign take money and advertising support from Our Revolution or not, Anonymous?
    Simple question.
    The nature of the groups forming a super pac don’t matter. I
    Ideology is not protection against corruption.

  52. Jean Henry
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    And what is the structure of Warren’s super pac? Is it much different than Bernie’s? How many donors over 25 grand?

  53. Jean Henry
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    It would be handy if folks stopped denying the entire political history of the US which well demonstrates that populist movements can also be corrupted, because power corrupts and money is just one form of power.

  54. Jean Henry
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    For instance Warren may take super pac money to win but Bernie will lie and stoke fake outrage and undermine faith in the fourth estate— esp the electoral process and the legit media— to win.

  55. Jean Henry
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    PS there are more forms of advertising than paid ads. Memes are also advertising. So are posters and stickers and any marketing materials.

  56. Sad
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    If you all weren’t so cheap Mayor Pete wouldn’t have to take money from billionaires.

    I really like that one woman billionaire from Google who keeps giving him money. She’s becoming a real mover and shaker.

  57. Sad
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

  58. Anonymous
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Yes and as Bernie has acknowledged that’s part of the rules and those groups are allowed to do that. Our revolution is comprised overwhelmingly of small donors, union members, immigration advocates etc. The nature of these groups absolutely matters.

    The structure of Warrens PAC is that it is just like any other PAC. The fact that it formed on Tuesday and began airing a million dollars with of tv ads in less than a week speaks to deep pocket donors, not grass roots.

    “The Massachusetts Democrat’s comments come after a new unlimited-money group, Persist PAC, began airing about $1 million in Nevada ads leading up to the state’s caucuses Saturday. The super PAC was created Tuesday, according to paperwork filed with the Federal Election Commission. The ad echoes Ms. Warren’s campaign message that she fights for working people

    The new group has the potential to undercut one of the pillars of Ms. Warren’s campaign—that she is different from her top rivals because she doesn’t have outside help. Now, Persist PAC is spending more on Nevada ads than any other outside group involved in the race, data from ad tracker CMAG/Kantar shows.”

  59. Anonymous
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Sanders’ support from outside groups has been controversial, since the candidate often rails against super PACs and so-called dark money nonprofit groups influencing politics. Critics, including some rival campaigns, grumble that Sanders has benefited from such groups, especially as Our Revolution, which he helped found and which was run by his campaign co-chair until recently.

    The campaign finance watchdog group Common Cause filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission earlier this month alleging the group exceeded campaign contribution limits. Our Revolution denied that charge and called it “meritless.”

    But the coalition of groups in People Power for Bernie, which are 501(c)4 nonprofits, say they represent the voices of grassroots Americans against wealthy special interests.

    “Bernie Sanders’ campaign is about more than one election. It’s about changing politics and shifting power from corporations and billionaires to the working class,” said Megan Svoboda, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America national political committee and chair of its “Bernie Campaign.” “But Bernie cannot do this alone. To win this election and the demands that he’s running on, it will take a movement.”

    Bernie’s dark money coalition working since ‘16 doing stuff like voter outreach, canvassing, organizing and working around a variety of issues – connecting them to a broader struggle to empower all working people and make the world a better place. Warren’s dark money buying a million in tv ads as their first move.

    Despite anyone’s feelings about this, what these groups are doing is allowed but there is a big difference between them.

  60. Lynne
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Blah blah blah, the reality of Our Revolution is that they DO accept large donatations and do not have to disclose them (i.e. “dark money) and it is absolutely hypocritical for Bernie or his supporters to be critical of where Warren gets her money as long as they accept money from Our Revolution.

    On that note though, I don’t really have a problem with it in our current political climate. My hope is that we can reform campaign finance in the future. It just makes me cringe every time Bernie people act like Sanders is a saint when it comes to campaign finance when he clearly has his flaws there.

  61. Lynne
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    On that note, is time for me to make another contribution to Warren’s campaign!

  62. Sad
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Maybe throw a little pittance to Mayor Pete?

    It’s important that we encourage young people to participate in politics.

  63. iRobert
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    I like Bernie, but I’d prefer Larry David.

  64. iRobert
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    The Dems should nominate Alec Baldwin at the convention. Can you imagine how much fun it would be for all of us? We could all have a good time for a change.

  65. iRobert
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    And I would want the party to stipulate that Baldwin be required to stay in character 24/7 for the duration of the campaign. Baldwin does a better Trump than Trump does.

  66. Lynne
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    LOL. Baldwin’s Trump is pretty funny :)

  67. Posted February 21, 2020 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    From WXYZ-TV Detroit:

    Sanders campaign notified by US officials that Russia is trying to help his campaign, per report

  68. Sad
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    And Warren is flip flopping.

    Will she apologize to Mayor Pete?

  69. I bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted February 21, 2020 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Aloha iRobert, all peace loving folks should be supporting Bernie and Tulsi (and people Except JB, think I am neglecting my Putin puppet duties). I’m afraid Im dependant on the generosity of my Bahamian host and do not have a couch to offer.
    As we get our eco/educational worker cooperative organized, we will have work/tourism opportunities available.

  70. Bob
    Posted February 22, 2020 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    I had dinner with a bunch of local friends and their friends the other night. They are basically a bunch of planned Parenthood related work friends. Feminists to be sure but also seasoned professionals in the medical field. Someone brought up this blog and there was much mocking of the general tone of it.

    I hate to break it to you Jean but your name induced much laughter. I kept my mouth shut but “Jean Henry” was used as a term for clueless blowhard and person who is humor challenged. This is by women. They are overwhelmingly Bernie and to a lesser extent Warren people. That’s your reputation.

  71. I bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted February 22, 2020 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Bob, All i can say is that I have the highest respect for the woman and men who provide family planning and women’s health services. It was a very good friend of mine who worked with the one MD in CU who provided family planning services , that brought home to me the courage that their profession requires.
    Zealots can make their lives dangerous in the extreme. It was my friends desire to maintain various shields between herself and family and others that prompted me to join Facebook so I could stay connected with her.
    No surprise they are Bernie amd Liz supporters. I would encourage them to check out Tulsi, her positions could surprise them.

  72. Jean Henry
    Posted February 22, 2020 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Bob– When I go to dinner no one ever mentions you.

  73. Posted February 25, 2020 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Senator Warren seems to be most focused on taking down Bloomberg. It’s fun to watch.

    Watch live:

  74. Sad
    Posted February 28, 2020 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    I have no money taking money from wherever you can get it.

    But she owes Mayor Pete an apology.

    That’s just being decent.

  75. Sad
    Posted February 28, 2020 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    “ problem”

  76. iRobert
    Posted February 29, 2020 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    In Michigan Warren has begun running ads attacking Bloomberg.

    Only Sanders and Biden have any real chance of securing the delegates for nomination, from the look of things. But Biden will need a lot to go his way in the next few days to be anywhere near even with Sanders. Steyer is out. Mayor Pete should get out too. As should Klobuchar. They won’t until after Tuesday though.

  77. Sad
    Posted March 1, 2020 at 1:07 am | Permalink


    I’m going to have to vote for Sanders?


    Now I know how those moderate republicans feel.

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 3, 2020 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Wizbef playing the spoiler

  79. iRobert
    Posted March 3, 2020 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Well, apparently Obama talked Pete and Amy into getting out and endorsing Biden before Tuesday. That made a critical difference. This nomination is going to be made on the second vote at the convention.

  80. Anonymous
    Posted March 3, 2020 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    “Well, apparently Obama talked Pete and Amy into getting out and endorsing Biden before Tuesday.”

    Amy likely dropped out because polling showed her losing in her own home state. As for Obama pulling the strings, that’s laughable. The black voters of South Carolina didn’t turn out because Amy or Pete told them to. There’s no conspiracy theory here.

  81. iRobert
    Posted March 4, 2020 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    Obama doing a little coordination is not a conspiracy theory, nut job. It’s standard politics.

    If you think Amy and Pete spontaneously dropped their efforts, you’ve never been involved in campaigning…which we’ve already established repeatedly.

    On another note; Warren clearly only got into the race as a spoiler and attack dog. She’ll stay in as long as she’s taking some votes from Sanders and useful as a constant attack on Bloomberg.

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