As Trump refuses to distance himself from America’s white domestic terrorists, we appeal to members of the GOP to acknowledge the blood on their hands and do the right thing before things get even worse

[The above quote, offered earlier today in Charlottesville, is from white supremacist David Duke. You’ll find the context below.]

As news was breaking this morning about the events in Charlottesville, many of us, in our own little ways, tried to help push members of the GOP into making statements rebuking those who had taken to the streets, demanding that we “return” this nation of ours to members of the so-called white race. Others, I suspect, were more persuasive, but this is how my long Twitter rant, directed at the leaders of the GOP, began.

While many in the GOP, like Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Orin Hatch, and even Ted Cruz, finally came off the sidelines once it became known that 32 year old Heather Heyer had been murdered, releasing strongly worded statements, our president, Donald Trump, never went so far as to acknowledge the role of white supremacist ideology, or call out the fact that what we saw today was a domestic terrorist attack conducted by bigots who want – in the words of Ted Cruz – “to tear our country apart.” Trump, as the day would wear on, would put out a series of statements, each of which would inch closer to the real issue, but, for whatever reason, he never came out with a clear condemnation of the growing threat posed by white nationalism.

First, Trump, after ignoring the events in Charlottesville for as long as he possibly could, came out with a hollow statement about how there was blame to be had “on many sides.”

Then, walking away from the podium at his New Jersey golf club, Trump turned his back on reporters asking whether or not what we were seeing play out in Charlottesville should be considered terrorism, and how he feels about the fact that he continues to enjoy the enthusiastic support of our nation’s white nationalists.

As for those white nationalists Trump has the support of, here’s another piece of video footage from this afternoon. This clip, taken at the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, features KKK leader David Duke reflecting on the work that he and other racists are doing to “fulfills the promises of Donald Trump.”

Chilling, right?

As for why Trump has chosen not only to remain silent about the violence of white domestic terrorists, but actually work phrases like “cherish our history” into his prepared comments [this was clearly meant as a nod to those racists rallying in Charlottesville to protect Confederate monuments] one can only guess. My sense, however, is that it probably has something to do with the fact that he knows these are the people who will take to the streets on his behalf when he’s eventually impeached, the most loyal members of the base, and he can’t afford to lose them. Regardless of why he finds it impossible to speak out, though, I think, at the very least, this should be a wake-up call to chief-of-staff John Kelly and the members of the GOP, who have to now realize the very real and growing threat posed by the fir right. Assuming they haven’t already started the process, Congress has to act swiftly to remove members of the racist right, like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, from the White House. This, I think most would accept, is a necessary step that needs to be taken immediately in the wake of what we’ve just seen.

For what it’s worth, Trump did eventually come out and acknowledge that an anti-fascist protester had been murdered in Charlottesville this afternoon, although he did not identify her as such. [He also didn’t mention that her killer was a fan of his.] In a tweet, he said, “Condolences to the family of the young woman killed today, and best regards to all of those injured, in Charlottesville, Virginia. So sad!” Again, he did not call out the fact that the woman died as a result of a terrorist attack carried out by a white supremacist. [The suspected killer is a local man from Maumee, Ohio by the name of James Alex Fields, Jr.]

For what it’s worth, I don’t think it’s too late for members of the GOP to finally do the right thing and distance themselves from Trump and his “deep base” on the far right. I know it’s unlikely, seeing as how they didn’t do so after he threatened nuclear war against North Korea just a few days ago, but I’ve got to think that some in the GOP are beginning to realize that the path they’re on is untenable. Given the comments I linked to by the likes of Sasse, Bush, Hatch, Cruz and Rubio, I think it’s clear that they’re looking for an exit. The question is, will they actually stand up to their big money donors and do the right thing. Tweets, as we’ve all seen over the course of this past year, are cheap. Taking a real stand, however, and doing something like initiating a bipartisan commission on impeachment, or even moving to have the likes of Bannon evicted from the White House, is something different altogether. But it’s something that has to happen. And its our job to keep telling members of the GOP, every chance we get, that, if they act to stop things now, we’ll have their backs… even if the Koch brothers come after them.

Yes, they brought this on us… The years of lies. The years of race baiting. The years of fake news… They led us to where we are today. And there’s not a one of them that isn’t complicit. They went along for the good of the party, and the good of their donors. They stood by while people lied about Obama’s birthplace, in hopes of gaining political advantage. They called irrefutable scientific evidence into questions, in hopes of ingratiating themselves to the likes of the Koch brothers. They allowed a disinformation network like Fox News to take root, knowing that it would serve them well, without concern for the damage that would be done. They thought, however, that they could control it. But then came Trump, the living manifestation of everything they’d put in motion… all the greed, all the fear, all the lies, all the corruption. And now we have blood in the streets.

And for what? They did it all – they risked it all – to accelerate the growing divide between the rich and the poor in America. That’s all. It was just about money. And I’ve got to think some are beginning to see the reality of the situation, which is that, because of this, we’re now standing on the precipice of complete annihilation, with race wars simmering in our streets, and nuclear warfare being discussed as a very real possibility. This isn’t, I’m assuming, what they signed up for when they agreed to carry water for the GOP and the Sheldon Adelsons of the world. And we’ve got to hope that at least a few of them might start turning, if not for the good of the country, at least to salvage their family names from the dustheap of history.

And why not? What have they got to lose? We’re all, it would seem, going to die anyway. Why not go out fighting the evil old men who set all of this in motion? I mean, they aren’t monsters. They aren’t invincible. They’re just men. And they can be taken down. The tools they’ve given our members of Congress can, after all, be used against them… And that’s the kind of thing we erect statues for.

Speaking of statues…

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  1. Liam Stack‏ from the NYT by proxy
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    On James Alex Fields, Jr.: “His Facebook page includes Pepe, swastikas, Bashar al-Assad (called “undefeated”) & a baby picture of Adolf Hitler.”

  2. EOS
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Has there been any leaders who distanced themselves from the counter protestors? It seems the Democratic “Resistence” are the ones promoting all the violence in the streets. The angry mob with clubs and tear gas was not a justified response to despicable speech. I think Trump was right in distancing himself from both groups. This entire event was orchestrated.

  3. Posted August 13, 2017 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    EOS, for what it’s worth, the guys at the white power site The Daily Stromer seem to be of the opinion not only that the event was real, but that the President of the United States has their back.

  4. Posted August 13, 2017 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    For what it’s worth, they also apparently see themselves as very fuckable macho, tough guys in the wake of Heather Heyer’s murder…

    When you boil it all down, it’s just one more instance of unsuccessful men looking for a way to feel better about themselves by demeaning others.

  5. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Ever notice how, given any politically inconvenient event, EOS and HW will not hesitate to jump to a conspiracy theory to explain it? Meanwhile they consider the multi-agency, special prosecutor-led Russia Probe ridiculous.

  6. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Mark– I think it might be interesting for you to talk about White Supremacists in a movement you gravitated towards (v. one you reviled anyway) : punk.
    I left the scene early do to sexism and casual racism I found unpalatable. I also defended it all on grounds of free speech. It was easy to walk away from because the movement didn’t want me, except in the very limited ways young male culture always wants young women present.

  7. Anonymous
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    EOS, it looks like you and Alex Jones are reading from the same playbook.

  8. Eel
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    I think I found something to illicit a response from Trump.

    “Oakland Raiders running back Marshawn Lynch sits during national anthem at preseason NFL game”

  9. Dan Blakeney
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    The logo of the Detroit Redwings was displayed by the supremacists. The National Hockey League quickly denounced them. The released statement contained this sentence. “This specific use is directly contrary to the value of inclusiveness that our League prioritizes and champions. ”

    Directly contrary to the value of inclusiveness that our League prioritizes and champions. Prioritizes and champions.

    So succinct. Damn.

  10. Posted August 13, 2017 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    It seems a bit off the mark, if you don’t mind my saying, to bring up my fondness for early punk in relation to what we’re seeing take place right now in Charlottesville, but I’ll play along.

    Here’s the simple answer. If I’d seen racism, I would have left. Granted, I was a white kid, and probably not the most perceptive, but I’d like to think, even at a young age, I knew right from wrong. Also, for what it’ worth, my experience in punk was somewhat limited. While it’s true that I idolize Television, the Talking Heads, Patti Smith, the Ramones and their ilk, I never ventured into the deep end of the pool. I don’t think I’ve attended even s single skinhead show. So, I don’t know if it’s an answer that satisfies you, but the punk umbrella, at least in the early years, was somewhat broad, and my tastes were somewhat focused. Furthermore, I got much of what I wanted outside of live shows, by way of records, tapes and CDs. It’s true that I’ve seen the Ramones a few dozen times, but, really, I didn’t spend much time on the punk circuit outside of that. So I don’t think I’m a good test case for your, “But punk was racist too” argument. With that said, though, yes, I will concede that there was a darker thread that ran through things, especially on the skinhead side of the spectrum. And, as you note, there was sexism… For the time being, though, I’d rather focus on the very real threat we have before us, which is that we’ve elected a man who essentially gave the white power set the freedom to crawl from the shadows and do us all very real harm.

  11. Lynne
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    This whole business is pretty scary. I mean, I am scared even with all of my privilege. I can only imagine how others are feeling.

  12. Posted August 13, 2017 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Team Trump is calling out the big guns. @DiamondandSilk are on Fox, talking about how this isn’t just a white nationalism problem.

    “I didn’t like the white nationalists… but I also didn’t like #BlackLivesMatter and Antifa,” they say.

  13. Lynne
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    My involvement with punk was mostly local and the scene didn’t seem especially racist from my POV or at least the people I knew distanced themselves from it. I knew a skinhead dude at Cass Tech who was pretty racist but non-threatening. The black kids used to mock him for being foolish in his racism and the worst he did was roll his eyes at them. He, and the couple of other blatant skinhead racists I knew always seemed like outliers. The sexism was there but was too subtle for me to notice it at the time or maybe not that subtle but existing within a mainstream culture that was pretty sexist too? Regardless, I didnt especially notice it.

  14. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    As I pointed out already the Daily Stormer is run by the Jewish Andrew ‘Weev’ Auernheimer. Stormfront is thought to be the same kind of deal. A lot of this shit is stitched up. Trump knows it but he can’t say it. He is 100% correct “many” sides have perpetrated violence. Over and over we have seen Antifa do heinous shit like throw M-80s at crowds of people and beat people senseless with sucker punches and bike locks. This shit here I highly question if it is organic. Considering the optics on display even the name of the event attempts to taint the right with an association with white supremacy.

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    So…yeah. Diamond and Silk are right on. Trump is too: we need to respect each other at least.

  16. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    This blog was withering on the vine until yesterday. See what I mean? You need talking points. You need the moral high ground. The Anti-Trump Machine needs it. You don’t give a shit about the Clinton body count (still rising) or anything like that. You are willing buyers for anything being sold. It’s a fact: MM has repeatedly fallen for false attacks on minorities and women and deliberately ignored real attacks on whites and conservatives.

  17. Eel
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Ah, it can’t be trusted. Run by a Jew. Got it.

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Would you think that is a legit site on the face of it then? On his wikipedia page he is described as an “American black hat hacker, internet troll and neo-Nazi”. How do you not want to think about the implications of him being a “[Jewish] American black hat…” Like I said a lot of it is in fact stitched up.

  19. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Maybe he is the proverbial self hating jew but just maybe (rub your little brain cells together really hard) there is something else going on. If you don’t look below the surface on anything you probably aren’t seeing anything real.

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Whenever Spencer shows up it’s a bunch of bullshit. I only first started hearing of him around the time he was shouting hail Trump. His act is too convenient for the anti-Trump establishment.

  21. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Mark: It appears you didn’t read the link re punk. (Never pass up an opportunity to read Lester Bangs) Ron Asheton wore Nazi regalia. So did Lemmy (though not technically punk. punk-approved) There was and still is an active skinhead movement Down River. My larger point is that racism, even blatant outright racism, is everywhere, in every movement, political or otherwise. It’s easy to take a stand that is politically convenient. It’s harder when that behavior exists, maybe closeted, maybe not, within one’s own affiliations. Whenever I point such up, you assure me that X group is full of lovely people who could demonstrate X cultural disease. I don;t think the lines are drawn that neatly. To assume so bends to ideological ideas of good and bad. I’m not drawing equivalence between the groups and C-Ville and Punk. At all. I’m just saying the Punk movement turned a blind eye at the (maybe few) outright racists within it. It certainly took a cavalier attitude toward racist symbols. I see this as a pattern on the left– denial its own racism/sexism/bias/perpetuation of inequity by expression of outrage at outright racism/sexism etc. on the right.

    The real work of creating change happens where we live and in the groups with which we are affiliated.

  22. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    *”could NOT demonstrate X cultural disease”

  23. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Hand guide to Hyborian’s references. (Please also note reference to ‘Chad look” –khakis and polos– then google Chad Nationalism– wow):

  24. EOS
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    @ Anonymous,

    No, not an Alex Jones playbook. MM and others are following Saul Alinsky’s playbook.

  25. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, Richard Spencer has some interesting connections. You have to look into it or you are fooling yourself.

  26. Eel
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Saul Alinsky, if I’m not mistaken, is dead.

  27. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    I guess by that logic Marx is deader than him but he is still fairly influential.

  28. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    @anonymous is right. Almost anything EOS says can be found in a news search of alt right pages. Hyborian’s positions one has to dig deeper for. But we are the sheep, the fools…

  29. Eel
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    I see people in the streets quoting Hitler on one side, throwing Nazi salutes, saying “blood and soul.” I didn’t catch the Alinsky hand signs on the other side. I just saw people objecting to the racism, which is a pretty universal response to being called subhuman.

  30. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Regardless of the question of whether this event was legit or cooked up: if the worst thing they did was chant a Nazi slogan “blood and soil” and “white lives matter” and “you will not replace us” is that as bad as people throwing rocks at them and so on? You take zero responsibility for all the antifa bullshit?

    I find it amazing that violence against any genetic group whether it is the majority or not is espoused here. Jean Henry, you said white people are lucky black people don’t riot more. The racial division the anti-racists believe in is shocking.

  31. EOS
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    The Alinsky tactics are that both sides of protesters are from the same group. Alinsky advised students who wanted to protest Bush’s involvement in war to dress like Neo-Nazi’s and cheer wildly every time he mentioned the military while carrying Bush signs. This tactic takes the opponent off their message and into a continual denunciation of their supposed “supporters”. If the person being attacked refuses to take the bait, then the opposition will continually hound them that they actually support the despicable group. Alinsky calls it a win-win tactic regardless of the response. MM and other minions do their part by continually associating Trump with Alt-right skinheads. All of it is a form of fake news and has been repeated so often it no longer has an effect on anyone who pays attention and can remember events as far away as 6 months.

  32. Eel
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    I never said violence against racists should be tolerated. In this case though the woman who wad as murdered was an antifascist murdered by a fascist.

  33. Eel
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    By your logic, EOS, there is no way the fascists can ever do anything wrong. Any time a fascist does something, we merely assume it was a non-fascist.

  34. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Maybe or maybe this is a big stitch up. Too convenient I say. Just when the bullshit was subsiding there is this phony smelling op.

  35. EOS
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Jean, I don’t read or quote alt-right pages.

  36. EOS
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:29 pm | Permalink


    These tactics always attract a crowd of useful idiots – on both sides. The person who drove the car into the crowd was likely to be one of these.

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    This is the only one I have seen where the “alt right” side showed up with all the same shit from wardrobe to torches to identical shields. It’s the most racially provocative one too. Hmmm…

  38. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian– the racial division exists in the differential in experience between being Black or POC etc and being White. It’s in the numbers not in our imagination. I’m not keen on tribalism in any form, but the truly oppressed often must unify to effect change, or just to survive.

    Since MM site abhors multiple links, please just google ‘outcome differential by race America’ + ‘health,’ ‘ education’, ‘justice’, ‘income’, ‘wealth’, ‘access to capital’, ‘incarceration’, ‘murder’, ‘murder by police while unarmed’, ‘political representation’ etc.

    Also then tell me advocates for social justice create the problem by acknowledging it’s existence.

  39. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    EOS– must be in the holy water then, because I regularly google your points and find many hits with the same arguments.

    From now on I will be sure to post them here.

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    We already went through it before and I’m sure you didn’t answer so I consider this statement obfuscation. If black people or any people want to be shot by cops less they should commit less crime. *50% of murders*

    You tell me about growing up in a town where there are places you know not to go if you are white. Tell me about how the opposite was never true. Racism is all around and it is not justified in any group.

  41. Meta
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Fox News is reporting that, according to a White House spokesperson, “all sides” includes “white supremacists” and other extremist groups.

    President Trump specifically condemns “white supremacists” and other extremist groups as forces behind the deadly protests and counter-protests this weekend in Virginia, a White House spokesperson said Sunday.

    “The president said very strongly in his statement yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry and hatred. Of course that includes white supremacists, KKK Neo-Nazi and all extremist groups. He called for national unity and bringing all Americans together,” the spokesperson said from Trump’s private golf club in Bedminster, N.J.

    Trump was criticized by leading Democrats and Republicans for not singling out white supremacists in his comments in the immediate aftermath of the deadly clashes Saturday in Charlottesville, Va.

    Read more:

  42. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    The khaki and polo thing was actually a calculated strategy to prevent injury to protestors. Look like a generic white dude “a Chad” and you are less likely to be assaulted.

    From Alt-right rally tips for alt-right protestors:

    “• Avoid looking paramilitary and go for a clean-cut, polo-shirt Chad look.”

    The clean cut look is also a strategy to attract young members.

  43. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 3:55 pm | Permalink






  44. anonymous
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    I won’t link to it, but the Daily Stormer described Heather Heyer as a “Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut”.

    These are the people supporting your president. This is the new Republican party.

  45. EOS
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Well Jean,

    If the argument is logical and true, one would expect to find it in multiple locations. What I read on Drudge Report and in the NYT is frequently discussed on NPR. If your source of information is different from all others, then perhaps you should question your source or enlarge the scope of your research.

  46. anonymous
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    @Jean Henry: regarding “I’m just saying the Punk movement turned a blind eye at the (maybe few) outright racists within it.”

    I remember from my own years as a punk in the 1980s Kalamazoo scene that the song “Nazi Punks F**k Off” came to national prominence back then. It always seemed to me like a pretty forceful denunciation, rather than turning a blind eye. Considering it has well over a million views on a YT channel called “theantiracist”, I’d say it’s still going strong in the denunciation department. At any rate, since by your own admission you “left the scene early” maybe you don’t know as much about punk as you think you do.

  47. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    I guess you have to see for yourself if you think the Daily Stormer is legit in light of the new information you have about it, anonymous. Is a Jewish professional hacker/troll ex-con truly one of the most prolific anti-semites or could it be…naaawww it couldn’t be!

  48. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Holocaust denialist denialism

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    denialatorical denier of denial in da nile

  50. wobblie
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been to lots of demonstrations. All of the ones against the Nazi that used to show up in Ann Arbor. But also many others. I was watching the demo on some alt-right live streams. What was clearly obvious was the lack of the police. Just as in Greensboro in the 80’s and other times the anti-fascist left has militantly confronted the racist right (some more recent like in Seattle), the Police were no where to be seen. At all the demo’s I’ve been at the Police presence was overwhelming. They set back and let the fights happen. The state wants a pretext. Some of the nazi leaders are in fact accusing the police of leaving them at the mercy of an antifi mob.

  51. Jean Henry
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie– the opposition marchers have also complained about police inaction and said they were left at the mercy of the white supremacists. It seems the police held back when things got violent. I’m not sure why, but I’d like to know…

  52. Jean Henry
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    Anonymous has taken over the Daily Stormer. Their story before the hack was that the driver/White terrorist was Jewish and that explains everything. See Hyborian’s logic above. Open racists blow the cover of the coded racists of the ant and Christian Right. As such they represent an existential threat and so must be discredited. But just to make sure, even while discredited them with a convuluted conspiracy narrative, they will defend them against counter protestors, and so they establish a hierarchy of righteousness. In descending order, Christian and alt/right, white nationalists, white supremacists, white liberals, white radicals, white feminists, SJW’s, POC, leftists of color, queers, queer POC, queer POC feminists, terrorists and Hillary Clinton.

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    How is it not remarkable to have a Jewish Nazi running around doing something like this? I don’t think it is racist to notice. It’s hardly convoluted either. Did you say a damn thing when last year’s Wave of Anti-Semitic Threats That Swept the Land including A2 (MM noted it here iirc) turned out to be perpetrated a young Israeli man? No, you didn’t say shit did you? Don’t call me a conspiracy theorist when you fall for every fake threat and phony attack. I easily saw it for what it was so how could that be if I am crazy?

  54. seeking connections?
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Richard Spencer: “Russia is the sole white power in the world.”

    David Duke: “Russia is key to white survival.”

  55. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    White supremacist group Vanguard America issued a statement that Fields was not a member:

  56. stupid hick
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Hyborian, should Trump denounce neo Nazis? What does he have to lose?

  57. site admin
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    What does he have to lose? It’s call his base.

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Trying to say Trump supporters are neo-nazis, admin? You’ve hit rock bottom.

    I think Trump suspects Fields was a plant (Spencer too) and doesn’t want to get played by this shit. It’s enough to call for an end to violence on all sides. Antifa can stand and shout all they want as long as they don’t assault someone and so can neo-nazis. You have to be capable of being detached about it. That’s part of the deal with free speech.

  59. Matt Roush
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    God almighty, the “Clinton Body Count”? Haaaaahahahahahaa!

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    “No matter our creed, color or political party we are all Americans first.”

    That is a fine statement. It is better than playing into this manufactured shit all the way.

  61. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    There are long (several hours long) unedited videos (without commentary) of the violence in Charlottesville. I think it is important for anyone who is interested in “taking sides” to spend at least several hours watching these videos and to witness how the individual instances of violence unfold…

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Matt Roush, wow – you never have heard of that? You don’t know shit do you? Many, many people connected to the Clintons in interesting ways to say the least have died under “mysterious” circumstances. Never heard of the Mena Arkansas scandal either I bet. Hundreds of millions in cocaine laundered by Clinton and pals. Educate yourself and get with it. Don’t laugh like a dummy.

  63. EOS
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 11:50 am | Permalink


    Can you post the link? Thanks.

  64. stupid hick
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Site admin, I asked Hyborian, not you, what Trump has to lose. Hyborian, are you saying Fields might not really be a Nazi, he just plowed into a crowd to make Nazis look bad? And Trump is too clever to be fooled by that, and doesn’t want to disparage Nazis because it might be unfair? What do your friends think of your theory?

  65. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 12:15 pm | Permalink


    Try searching “Full: Alt-right rally and counter protestors in Charlottesville”.

    The video is over 5 hours long. I would guess 3 hours of the video are raw footage somebody captured by just walking the streets. The video captures quite a few confrontations and violent altercations as they are forming…

  66. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    I don’t really give a shit about what my friends think. Some of them are probably thinking the same thing right now and some of them would hate the idea I’m sure. All of them in the end have to admit I was right about a whole bunch of shit. That’s happened over and over.

  67. Lynne
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    LOL. I highly doubt *any* of your friends have ever had to admit that they were wrong. They might be doing it just to humor you though. I have seen lots of folks do that when people they know jump into the alternate reality deep end.

  68. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Reality is as deep as you want it. Everyone has an alternate reality because our understanding is limited by our senses and interpreted by our minds. Inaccuracy is built in. If you make it a habit to pay attention and don’t gloss over the details you can be less inaccurate.

    All my friends and family have changed their mind on something because I said something that turned out to be correct. A lot of times people have been like “How do you know this shit that far ahead?” I’m just like “I pay attention. I study everything I can find…” I’m sure you don’t want to believe that because it’s a threat to your belief system but that’s how it is.

  69. stupid hick
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian, just curious, how many Jews do you think were killed in the Holocaust?

  70. Eel
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Oh, I’m glad I came back for this.


  71. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    I have no idea. Am I supposed to say six million or it is a hate crime or some shit like that? Why, what is your number?

  72. stupid hick
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Aren’t you supposed to say the Holocaust wasn’t only about Jews, and there’s plenty of blame to go around on both sides? How disappointing.

  73. stupid hick
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    According to your sources, how many Jews did the Clintons kill?

  74. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Now it’s coming out that organizer Jason Kessler was an Obama supporter associated with Occupy Wall Street. Even the SPLC noted there seems to be something to it:
    Well this is fishy. His name is Jason Kessler. He is the one cited as the organizer of the now infamous “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. The thing is, Mr. Kessler’s arrival on the “alt right” and/or “White Nationalist” scene didn’t occur until November 2016.

    That’s right – Kessler didn’t start his white nationalist activism until after Donald Trump won the White House. Prior to that it appears he participated in the far left/socialist Occupy Wall Street movement as noted by the far-left, George Soros-funded Southern Poverty Law Center

    Rumors abound on white nationalist forums that Kessler’s ideological pedigree before 2016 was less than pure and seem to point to involvement in the Occupy movement and past support for President Obama.

    At one recent speech in favor of Charlottesville’s status as a sanctuary city, Kessler live-streamed himself as an attendee questioned him and apologized for an undisclosed spat during Kessler’s apparent involvement with Occupy. Kessler appeared visibly perturbed by the woman’s presence and reminders of their past association.

    It also appears Mr. Kessler was actually a CNN on site correspondent during the Occupy protests: (these are being archived as it appears CNN is attempting to scrub its former affiliation with Mr. Kessler:)

  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Stupid, seems like you are trying to imply ever-so-passive-agressively that I am a Nazi or something to that effect? That is what is disappointing to someone like me. It blows away all intelligent discussion.

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    This Vanguard America group seems so phony. They look and sound just like antifa pretending to be neo-nazis. Ask yourself if they seem like any other group like that you have ever seen. Speech about 6:00 in. I mean you really buy this shit? You couldn’t even call them intimidating, let alone dangerous.

  77. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Seems they weren’t welcome at the June event they attended. The organizer of that one took issue with the covering of the face. These are antifa plants it is so obvious. Around 13:40 of the vid posted below, American vanguard LARPing 2 the kid stumbles trying to explain it.

  79. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    A bit after 15:05 he mentions Kessler. They are together no doubt. Kessler the Occupy guy and this phony white supremacist group. (((HOLY SHIT))) Thank you for helping me figure it out!!!

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    …Mentions Kessler in June…

  81. stupid hick
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    No, I’m implying you’re a fool if you believe that Charlottesville was manufactured by liberals.

  82. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Oh, good one. Got anything besides a bunch of bullshit? I just cracked this shit wide open. Vanguard America is phony, Jason Kessler is phony, the whole fuckin’ thing is phony. You act like you never heard of an agent provocateur. You know what I’m saying? When it comes to dirty tricks it’s like “…wull MY side never duz anything like THAYAT…” Give me a fuckin’ break! You are willfully ignorant. I don’t have to spout opinions. I can do it all with facts. You don’t want to know shit though…

  83. stupid hick
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    God help you.

  84. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    How empty are you? It’s like there is nothing there. Oh, you are practiced at affecting disdain. That really means a lot.

  85. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    I am not going to pretend to know what it all means but it impossible for me to watch the “American vanguard” video HW shared and not get a theater major vibe from the members when they speak about their beliefs. Even if the leader is just coming across as inauthentic and he is actually expressing his true beliefs, I find it impossible to believe that he could gain 10 followers let alone 200–it’s just not possible.

    Again, I have no idea what it means. I would find it more likely to find out they are actually some kind of a dark-comedy-satire-theater-troupe rather than a hate group. Sorry, something is amiss, in my opinion….

  86. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Seriously, take the worst actors in the theater department and then miscast them in these pile of shit roles and then you have American Vanguard.

  87. Eel
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Alex Jones called. He wants his bit back.

    Alex Jones says they were “Jewish actors” in Charlottesville and not KKK.

    “I mean, quite frankly, I’ve been to these events, a lot of the KKK guys with their hats off look like they’re from the cast of Seinfeld,” Trump supporter Jones said on The Alex Jones Show on Sunday.

  88. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    Strange times.

    I wonder what color Alex Jones thinks the sky is?

    Wait, don’t tell me. I don’t want to know.

  89. Jean Henry
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Hyborian, you are a narcissist.

    Not a point of argument. Just moy obesrvation based on your rhetoric, not its content. You could be right about things (you aren’t.), but you’d still stink of narcissism.

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    More emptyness from the empty set. I discuss facts. You just dribble at the mouth, Jean.

  91. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    *emptiness with an i*

  92. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    When you can’t answer even one thing you lash out. It’s like “How can I respond to all this? I know! Narcissist! Call him that real quick.”

  93. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    Alex Jones Confronts Jason Kessler

  94. Jcp2
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    HW, I’m surprised with your stellar independent reading and black belt Google-fu that you have yet to point out that James Field did not literally drive his gray Dodge Challenger into a crowd of people. He drove into the back of a white Lincoln Town Car, which subsequently hit a burgundy Honda Odyssey, which went into a crowd of people.

  95. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    At 10:30 he asks him what is up with Obama and Occupy?

  96. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    I guess I don’t see the validity of any of these quips. It’s interesting to see the “thinking” though.

  97. stupid hick
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    When you come to your senses, I’ll accept your apology.

  98. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Okay, stupid.

  99. Jean Henry
    Posted August 15, 2017 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Re C-ville police inaction, I found this an interesting perspective from a source that maybe even Hyborian Warlord would respect. This militia group leader, present on the scene, posits that the police inaction was intentional to allow violence to erupt so they could shut the event down.

  100. Posted August 15, 2017 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    I was just listening to Pod Save the World on the way home from work and they were suggesting that the police lacked weapons sufficient to take on the army of racists, who, we’re hearing now, had weapons stashes situated around the city. They made the decision, right or wrong, that they didn’t want to risk a bloody shooting war.

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