An unshackled Steve Bannon grabs Breitbart like a jagged, broken beer bottle, and begins lunging at his perceived enemies

When Steve Bannon was fired this past Friday, after serving eight month’s as the President’s chief strategist, Trump tried to put a positive spin on it, suggesting that Bannon was destined for bigger and better things as private citizen, unshackled from the constraints of Washington, and once again able to take on the “fake news” from the helm of Breitbart News, the website he, by his own admission, had imagined as “(a) platform for the alt right.” And I’m sure that’s what Trump was hoping would happen. I’m sure he was hoping that the far-right propagandist would immediately go after the mainstream media for, among other things, their reporting on the situation in Charlottesville, where hundreds of armed white supremacists took to the streets to, in the words of former KKK leader David Duke, “fulfill the promises of Donald Trump,” leaving one anti-fascist protester dead. It would appear, however, that Bannon had more immediate plans — to attack those in the administration who, in his opinion, had worked to push him out, while, at the same time, reestablishing himself as a “populist hero,” and the patron saint for white nationalism in America… Following are just a few headlines from Brietbart at this very moment.

For what it’s worth, it isn’t exactly a surprise that Bannon went on the attack like this. He, after all, had told the Weekly Standard, as he was leaving the White House, the following: “The Trump presidency that we fought for, and won, is over,” he said. “I feel jacked up… Now, I’m free. I’ve got my hands back on my weapons.” And, it would seem that those weapons are pointed, at least for the time being, squarely at Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, who he’s apparently been referring to collectively as “Javanaka” behind their backs for some time now, as well as White House national security adviser H.R. McMaster, who he believes is, among other things, too soft on Islam. [There’s another article on Breitbart today titled, “H.R. McMaster Endorsed Book That Advocates Quran-Kissing Apology Ceremonies.”]

As for where all of this is headed, your guess is as good as mine. If I had to bet, though, I’d say there’s something to the speculation that Bannon, with the money of Long Island hedge fund billionaire Bob Mercer behind him, may decide to move past Breitbart, which, by the way, has lost nearly 2,600 advertisers, and start a new television network to rival Fox. [Bannon, according to Axios, “believes Fox is heading in a squishy, globalist direction as the Murdoch sons assume more power.”]

While he didn’t get into any detail, Bannon told the Weekly Standard, “I am definitely going to crush the opposition.”

As for why Bannon was let go now, I suppose it’s possible that, in the wake of Charlottesville, General Kelly, and others in the administration, felt it was time to get rid of him, as he was perhaps more closely aligned with the white nationalist movement than anyone else in the White House. It’s also possible, I’m thinking, that it has something to do with the fact that, on the same day Bannon was fired, a meeting was taking place at Camp David to discuss our military options in Afghanistan – a meeting where Bannon was angling to take on members of our national security team… Bannon, according to press reports, was backing a plan by Blackwater founder Erik Prince to privatize the war… At the last minute, though, McMaster blocked Prince from attending the meeting, and Bannon was fired. Could it be that our military leaders and intelligence officials had finally had enough of Bannon and his uninformed geopolitical theories, and decided that his plotting with Prince to privatize our American military presence in Afghanistan crossed a line? If I had to guess, I’d say it was probably the straw that broke the camel’s back.

Regardless of why he was forced out, you can bet that we’ll now be hearing a lot more from Steve Bannon, who, having lived for eight months inside the belly of the beast, now seems singleminded in his desire to use his accumulated knowledge to, in his words, push for the “deconstruction of the administrative state.”

So, if you’re at all sensitive by nature, you might want to turn away for a while. I think it’s going to get bloody.

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  1. TeacherPatti
    Posted August 21, 2017 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    This line “An unshackled Steve Bannon grabs Breitbart like a jagged, broken beer bottle, and begins lunging at his perceived enemies” is about the most glorious description of any event, ever. The only way it could possibly make me happier is if he then sits on the broken bottle and the video of the removal of the glass from his pimply, smelly ass ends up on the internet.

  2. Bob
    Posted August 21, 2017 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure why there is such cheerleading regarding the ouster of Bannon and the extremists in Trump’s White House. It seems to me the last thing we want is an end to the chaos he surrounds himself with. It’s our best chance for preventing any real accomplishments. As it stands now things will settle down and they will pass the inevitable giant corporate tax cut. After that victory they will scrape together an affordable care act repeal that passes. It may be Pence who signs it, but it will probably happen.

  3. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    Trump and Bannon both know he will be far more effective at Breitbart. This actually is an information war. It’s kind of like Obi Wan Kenobee – if you strike him down he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

  4. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 7:23 am | Permalink


  5. Bob
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Oh please. That organization has been firmly outed for the clown show it is.

  6. EOS
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    RFK Jr. thinks Trump could be the best president ever.

  7. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Another MM style quip. I love it. I broke this blogs back over the weekend and none of you have said shit. By the logic around here anyone who supported Obama and by extension Hillary Clinton is now by stained with Neo-Nazi-ism by that administration’s support for the Neo-Nazi coup in the Ukraine. I doubt there are a whole lot of McCain supporters here but his involvement goes to show there is in fact a deep state that works through both major parties. Are the networks and neocons and left blogs reporting on that? How is breitbart a clown but they have a ton of true information that is not being widely reported to put it mildly? I don’t vouch for breitbart by the way. I hardly read it. I have no problem with them saying what they like though and if they are putting out true knowledge in the political arena then I applaud it. If they lie then that’s not too cool. Definitely the networks lie all day though. Look at how the Russia shit fizzled. Now they are going to plan B: the white supremacist bogeyman. Well look! The Obama White House supported a coup that actually put Neo Nazis in power in the Ukraine.

  8. Minal Hajratwala
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Thanks for reading Breitbart so we don’t have to.

  9. Meta
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    CNN talks with Josh Green, the author of the book about Bannon”Devils’ Bargain”:

    Green: “My guess is that in the near term, Bannon will not go after Trump directly. When I spoke to Bannon on Friday, he seemed to be planning to go after the “West Wing Democrats” as a way of weakening their influence and their standing with Trump and the Republican base. But there’s no question that Bannon is going to go after others in the White House (hi, Javanka!), and has in fact already begun to, and also will go after Republican leaders on Capitol Hill.”

    Green: “I know there’s been a lot of chatter and media reports that Bannon is going to turn around and immediately launch some kind of Breitbart TV network to challenge Fox News, funded by Robert Mercer’s billions. Count me skeptical. Bannon has always thought that the web is the place to galvanize the rising generation of conservative voters, and he’s always been leery of the hundreds of millions of dollars it would take to truly launch a viable Fox competitor — and Fox took years to build up its influence. I think what we’ll see instead is a Breitbart News on steroids, and probably a global expansion that will take it into new countries and new markets where nationalist movements are growing.”

    Read more:

  10. Bob
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    I hardly think that pesky Russian shit just fizzled. They are piling on more and more lawyers and investigators. It’s quietly building a case that will probably crush everyone associated with the Trump family. Tax evasion will land them in jail. He’s the paternal fuck-wad who had the best scam going, but who’s ego took him down a path to complete ruin for that scumbag family of his.

  11. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    But see now they are on the tax evasion track. What happened to Russian collusion?

  12. Lynne
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Heh. I wonder if he said something mean about Ivanka to Trump? He certainly seems to realize that he sees his children as an extension of himself and may be going after her now to hit back at Trump. This will all make a really good opera someday.

  13. kjc
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    ” I broke this blogs back over the weekend and none of you have said shit.”

    lol. no one noticed?

    the trolls on here have gotten super lame.

  14. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    All the Hillary and Obama voters are now tarred with neo nazi-ism by virtue of the Ukraine coup. You’re not living that down. You are going to have to hear about it every time you try to smear Trump and his supporters as white supremacist or anything like that.

  15. Lynne
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    They are still investigating the collusion with Russia. My hope is that they find something that will put Trump in prison although I dont expect that. Maybe enough to impeach him though. We will see.

  16. Lynne
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Yeah, kjc, I admit I didnt notice. Just like I always fail to see HW’s brilliance on any subject.

  17. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Fizzled. Now Obama State Department (Hillary’s) people are being investigated into the LEAK, not a hack a leak of DNC emails by someone on the inside. A prime suspect, House “IT guy” Imran Awan has been indicted on bank fraud. I can’t wait to see what happens with Awan and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, his boss.

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    You can comment on it now. I would consider avoiding it tacit acknowledgement of being a neo-nazi.

  19. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Obama brokered a deal in his own words that brought neo nazis to power in Ukraine.

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Do you disavow him?

  21. Matt Roush
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Wow, somebody needs a hobby. Or a job.

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Learning is my number one hobby and I do have a job. What do you think, Matt? Do you disavow the Obama administration for their unthinkable support for Ukrainian neo nazis?

  23. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Bunch a quipsters around here. Hipster quipsters haha!

  24. Jean Henry
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    EOS– RFK was kicking Trump’s ass trying to get a committee to do an inquiry into vaccine safety. RFK is an anti-vaxer, well not an anti-vaxer, a vaccine skeptic. At any rate, his ass-kissing and hope for a revolution unhinged from the establishment brought what such populist revolutions usually bring– nothing but chaos and a bunch of newbie, ambitious and ill informed outsiders with pet projects suddenly inside, and fighting one-another for priority and for access to the power they know corrupts.

    What a stupid thing to link. And once again, a quick google search shows this story is all over the conservative christian and alt-right press, but no where else. After scrolling through 25 almost identical headlines in the google search, I found this. You can expect RFK to stop kissing ass very soon.

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    kissing, not kicking ***

  26. Jean Henry
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Mark, please remember the other victims of assault in Charlottesville, especially Deandre Harris. He seems to go unmentioned far too often.

  27. Jean Henry
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Except of course by trolls on this blog,speculating that he started it, or deserved it,or something…

  28. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 12:38 pm | Permalink


    The 12 hours, when I was not a “troll” in your mind, were the best 12 hours of my life. :)

    So, when you compare the video evidence to Wobblie’s interpretation of those two specific moments in time you agree with Wobblie?

  29. Jean Henry
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    I am not interested in comparing violent action by people who advocate genocide to those who are subject to same genocidal threat.

  30. Jean Henry
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    FYI I did not post that recent trolls post made in my name.

  31. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get it. Are you saying multiple people are posting under the name “Jean Henry”?

  32. EOS
    Posted August 22, 2017 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Jean or Whoever:

    He made the statement during a televised interview on CNN,

  33. Posted August 22, 2017 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Jean, if one of these comments isn’t from you, just let me know which one it is and I’ll change it. Also, yes, I have to read more about the incident involving Deandre Harris.

  34. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    All of the Obama supporters who have seen my posts (don’t play dumb – you read them) have refused to disavow him for putting neo nazis in power in Ukraine. Now you are complicit. You are neo nazi supporters.

  35. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Another neutron bomb on your ass: Clintons honor klansman Robert Byrd. Disavow or be a supporter of white supremacy.

  36. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 11:00 am | Permalink

  37. Jean Henry
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Some balance on the Ukraine topic here:

    HW is once again repeating talking points put forward by Putin and his lap dogs, Assange, Alex Jones, etc. etc. Which is not to say there are not some unsavory characters involved in the Ukrainian independence movement. They have a 5% popularity rating however. As we have all learned recently in many places, being pro-democracy does not give the US the right to determine political outcomes abroad. Democracy would however limit other countries, namely Russia, from controlling foreign states. So Obama was pro-democracy, including some assholes, and HW is pro-autocracy run by assholes. Foreign policy is messy. Democracy is messy. No way out of that hard reality.

    No, HW, we are not Nazi supporters. Syllogisms are not a path to the truth.

    LOGICIAN: Here is an example of a syllogism. The cat has four paws. Isidore and Fricot both have four paws. Therefore Isidore and Fricot are cats.
    OLD GENTLEMAN: My dog has got four paws.
    LOGICIAN : Then it’s a cat.
    The Rhinceros, Eugene Ionesco

  38. Jean Henry
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Re Byrd (sigh)–
    “Byrd admitted that he started a Klan chapter in the 1940s, and entered political life admitting he had made a mistake.

    “It has emerged throughout my life to haunt and embarrass me, and has taught me in a very graphic way what one major mistake can do to one’s life, career and reputation,” Byrd wrote in his 2005 autobiography. “I displayed very bad judgment, due to immaturity and a lack of seasoned reasoning.”

    Before his death, in 2010, Byrd was the longest-serving senator in the country’s history. Throughout his career he made many attempts to amend for drawing in 150 members to the Klan, and for attaining the position of “Exalted Cyclops.”

    Those attempts led the National Associated for the Advancement of Colored People to issue a statement in praise of Byrd upon his death, and for Clinton, when she was secretary of state at the time, to comment on his passing. She started the video commemoration by saying, “Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.” Clinton also said that Byrd had been “the heart” of the U.S. Senate.

    Still, unlike white supremacist and former Klan leader David Duke—who praised Trump following the president’s press conference Tuesday—Byrd renounced his experience with the hate group.”

    My father became a Republican in the early 50’s because he hated the racist Southern Democrats. He voted for Obama twice and Clinton in 2016. He has a bumper sticker now with a picture of Lincoln and the phrase “It’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to.” He said Nov 9th that he’d rather not live through another Presidential election. Hopefully he will survive to 2020 and feel somewhat redeemed. He loves this country, and his heart is broken. He left the party in 2008, but he still believes in the most basic conservative principles, like limiting government and personal agency. He would tell me not to bother engaging your bullshit HW, and he’s probably right.

  39. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    If anything I am anti-autocracy. Trump is dismantling globalist programs and the globalists are the true autocrats. So really you are the autocrat supporter since you love globalists like Clinton.

    Actual neo nazis gained control of critical positions in Ukraine because of what Obama did. That is a fact. By your own standard if you fail to disavow then you have supported that happening. Oh, yeah – the “flowering of democracy” as the New York Times put it. How do you figure when it was a coup against an elected government and the replacement is full of nazis???

    And you have the gall to smear regular people with some stitched up white supremacist bullshit! Vanguard America is for a fact bullshit. If you neglected to watch their larping videos there isn’t shit you can say about it because that is the de facto evidence that nails this shit down. It is a phony organization. They are the only white supremacist group anyone ever heard of that acts exactly like antifa. Fake organization, leftist-who-suddenly-became-virulently-white-supremacist rally organizer, what more does anyone need to see this shit is phony?

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    How do I have bullshit when I can easily answer anything you say but you can’t answer anything. All you have are excuses. He wasn’t that bad of a klansman ahahahahaha!

    “Robert C. Byrd, a Democrat, was a recruiter for the Klan while in his 20s and 30s, rising to the title of Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of his local chapter. After leaving the group, Byrd spoke in favor of the Klan during his early political career. Though he claimed to have left the organization in 1943, Byrd wrote a letter in 1946 to the group’s Imperial Wizard stating “The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia.” Byrd attempted to explain or defend his former membership in the Klan in his 1958 U.S. Senate campaign when he was 41 years old.[1] Byrd, a Democrat, eventually became his party leader in the Senate. Byrd later said joining the Klan was his “greatest mistake.” The NAACP gave him a 100% rating on their issues during the 108th Congress.[2] However, in a 2001 incident Byrd repeatedly used the phrase “white niggers” on a national television broadcast.[3]

    Very, very different to point out your love’s love for a former klan organizer than for you to try to smear Trump because David Duke likes him. It’s so much worse to have your mentor BE a former klansman than to have a klansmen you disavowed long ago like you. I don’t even think Duke can reasonably be used against Trump at all since Trump has nothing to do with him.

  41. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Trump disavowing David Duke over and over for years. It amounts to a smear job that he has even been asked about him that much.

  42. Jean Henry
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    HW– you don’t know the meaning of autocrat.
    As for political disavowals, they are meaningless. Just part of the chatter. Trump’s actions matter. Byrd’s as well. etc etc. I’m ok with where I fall in my allegiances there.

    Given everything you have said about why you supported Trump and all of his recent pro-war, pro-establishment and 1% actions and his dismissal of Bannon, I’m surprised your allegiance holds. EOS, I get. She’s in it for the courts appointees. I have not heard you espouse anti-abortion views though, HW. Why are you still all in for Trump? And how are you feeling about Sanders these days?

  43. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    No, you don’t know Jean. I do. Global government is what the plan has been for a long time and that is the ultimate autocracy. I like how you always issue critiques that make no sense at all. President Trump is putting a hitch in that aim.

    Wait a second. When did I support war or establishment shit? I don’t care if Bannon is in there or not. I expected there to be wars and shit. I don’t like that like I have ALWAYS said however it is kind of set up for him to have to deal with the long term USA military situations all over the world. There are so many potential fuckups to deal with in part because of previous administrations. Don’t you EVER put words in my mouth.

  44. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Why would you ask me about how I feel about Sanders? I think he is a weasel who got a payout for shutting the fuck up about the illegal Clinton/DNC collusion to wreck his run. I feel sorry for people who supported him. Clinton should have been disqualified.

  45. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    *putting a hitch in the globalist’s aims, not your (weak) replies.*

  46. Lynne
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    It is nice of you to try with HW, Jean. I am tired of researching his lies but did find his attempts at emotional manipulation this morning to be amusing.

    “Pay attention to me or you are a nazi!!” LOL. Puh-leez!

  47. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    No, no Lynne. Disavow neo nazi ties or be a nazi.

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    You say I lie, Lynne. What have I lied about? Use quotes. No bullshitty generalizations.

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Trump supporters, just regular people are being harassed for being nazis. Trump has no association with nazis that I know of. If certain people who actually (not larping like Vanguard America) consider themselves national socialists or kkk or whatever like Trump then that can’t be helped. Since Trump has denounced racists in the past it is out of his hands. Obama on the other hand had a major role in actually bringing real-life neo nazis to power. Therefore if anything Obama supporters should have to answer to a much more serious charge: aiding and abetting neo nazis.

  50. Jcp2
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    The warlord doth protest too much.

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Nice lil quip there, jcp2d2.

  52. stupid hick
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian, has it ever occurred to you that Trump is actually a liberal agent who is trying to sabotage the GOP from within? It’s pretty obvious, but you won’t see a story about it in the mainstream media. You know he used to be a registered Democrat. Everything he says and does is designed to make conservatives look bad. And he’s succeeding.

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Then why does he go against a ton of liberal shit? Trump is an independent. He is busting everyone’s balls. All the deep state people for sure. That’s the thing – dems and repubs agree at high levels. See McCain and Obama working together to get the neo nazis in.

  54. Jean Henry
    Posted August 23, 2017 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    He gets shit from everyone because he’s an incompetent asshole. (And that’s being generous) my only hope is that he will kill forever Dem protectionist fantasies.

  55. stupid hick
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Oh, Trump talks a good game, but look at his results. He pretends to go against liberal shit, right up to the brink of Republican legislative success, then notice how he’s always the one who torpedoes them with his “insane” tweeting. Now, if it’s really insane, and not deliberate, then why does it only happen when it harms conservative interests and helps liberals?!??!!?!? Trump independent?!?!??! No, look at who benefits!!!!

  56. stupid hick
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Also: I would be very alert whenever you hear the term “Deep State”. To some billionaires the term “Deep State” is actually a dog whistle for “experienced and competent career staff who have institutional knowledge”. In other words, the people they want to get out of government because they’re too good at enforcing the law.

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    “Oh, Trump talks a good game, but look at his results. He pretends to go against liberal shit, right up to the brink of Republican legislative success, then notice how he’s always the one who torpedoes them with his “insane” tweeting. Now, if it’s really insane, and not deliberate, then why does it only happen when it harms conservative interests and helps liberals?!??!!?!? Trump independent?!?!??! No, look at who benefits!!!!”

    What are some examples of legislation he tweet-torpedoed?

  58. EOS
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    I am not a single issue voter. I’m with HW against the globalists as well. Another reason why Clinton was unacceptable.

  59. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Good morning, EOS!

    Jean, stupid hick, et al: Don’t forget Hillary Clinton asked for it. She WANTED Trump as her opponent because she thought he would be the easiest to destroy. So anyone who voted for Hillary even after the primary rigging then is partly responsible for President Trump’s victory.

    So to take Bush down, Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agenda included a memo to the Democratic National Committee: “This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field,” it read.

    “The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo.

    “Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
    • Ted Cruz
    • Donald Trump
    • Ben Carson
    We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously.”

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    You know what happens when they used the Pied Piper to rid the town of rats and then tried to screw him out of his payment, right???

  61. Lynne
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Ok, HW. First lie I have come across = ” Trump has no association with nazis that I know of”

    Granted, it could be that you are not lying and really are just that stupid. I admit it is hard to tell.

    But pretty much you come here and repeat lies you probably hear online in weird corners of the web. You simplify the Ukraine thing in ways that could be considered lying although I suppose it could be that you are just too dumb to understand the complexities of foreign policy. It is probably a little bit of both. But it is lies you are repeating.

    When I hear you defend Trump I always think of the joke some comedian made (can’t remember who) that Trump is what stupid people think smart people sound like.

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Obviously you have to state what association you think President Trump has with nazis or you are full of shit. Is this how you live your life? You just go around acting like how you feel is the reality without using facts?

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Same with Ukraine. If you understand it so well that you think you have a better argument than me then why don’t you state it? You know what they say about ‘talk’.

  64. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Don’t ever call me a liar or stupid again. I am in this town to stay and I will fuck up your ‘narrative’ (lies) with logic and reason any time I feel like it. The more you sling mud at me to make me stop the more true knowledge I will post. If admin decides they have had enough they can do what they like. I will still be in Ypsilanti telling truth to whoever I like in real life and online.

  65. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    My understanding is that HW is accurate on the “Pied Piper” strategy employed by Clinton’s team, and all it entails. I might not have all the facts straight but I have never heard any hardcore Clinton supporters own this, defend Clinton on this point, or criticize Clinton on this point. There are a lot of things I have not heard about, however, so will someone from the awesome team of know-it-all-all-insult-robots please shed some light on the “Pied Piper” strategy that HW is talking about….Expand our understanding and put it into proper perspective please if you have information or counterpoints to share. Thank you.

  66. Jean Henry
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    It’s true that the pied piper strategy backfired. Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. They wanted the worst possible candidate. They underestimated many things including that a candidate willing to say or do anything to get the applause of his audience is going to be tough competition. The white liberal bubble is real, So is the alt right bubble.

    Would Bernie have done better? Doubt it but that’s pure speculation no matter where you land. Is HRC and team solely responsible for her loss and Trumps win? Hell no. But she holds some responsibility. So does everyone else in America. All campaigns make errors. Judging campaigns on perfectionist (purity) standards is like looking at Foreign policy the same way. It’s always political, always reductive, and always says more about the writer than the issue at hand.

  67. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Hillary got her corrupt ass handed to her by a political novice on a relative shoestring budget solely because he had the balls to stand up to her and the media. Major win for the American people.

  68. stupid hick
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    “What are some examples of legislation he tweet-torpedoed?”

    For real? Do you remember the Repeal and Replace debacle, just a month ago? Trump is trying to blame McConnell and McCain now, but the fact is, Trump buffaloed the Senate into holding a vote before the Republicans had all their votes lined up. Before they could work out a deal to get McCain on board. Why only McCain, and not Murkowski and Snowe? Because Trump already sabotaged negotiations with them! Then he rushed the vote. Why? Because he knew it would fail. You won’t read about that in the mainstream media because it benefits the Democrats. You won’t find it on InfoWars or Breitbart, because they reflexively protect Trump. But they’re getting cucked by him too. Pay attention, and you will see that Trump talks the talk, but when it comes time for action he always undermines conservatives.

    Do you remember Trump’s travel ban? The one where a Federal judge signaled it might be legal unless it was intended to target Muslims as a group? Which the White House and Republicans all go on the record to deny, but then Trump contradicts them to say, no, it really is about Muslims. All he had to do was not say anything, but instead he says exactly what a judge telegraphed he should NOT say? Come on. As I said, he talks a good game, but why does he always sabotage his own party where it counts?

    Can you name any case where Trump helped the Republicans? I can’t. A sleeper agent for the Democrats couldn’t have done more damage. Don’t listen to what he says, look at the results of his actions!!!

    It’s time all conservatives pay attention. Trump is an incompetent, self-serving, traitorous buffoon. It should be obvious to anyone by now, even conspiracy theory addled acolytes of Alex Jones. How many times do you have to be cucked before you will come to your senses?

  69. stupid hick
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Oh, and as upsetting as I’m sure it will be to you, Trump is a racist. Sorry, but yes he is. He actively courts the White Supremacist vote. Not fake Nazis, real, self-avowed Nazis.

  70. EOS
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    I’m not sure what you all are smoking. Trump has denounced the alt right, nazi’s, and white supremicists dozens of times. The left keeps repeating that he has not. Therefore, all you progressives believe the lies and call Trump supporters the liars.

    Trump is a neophyte. However, he can give a great speech when necessary, looking and acting very presidential, and he can appeal to his base at rallys like no president in recent history. He has had some bumps in the road, but I have no doubt that he will succeed in draining the swamp. He has already accomplished a lot.

    He did force the vote on repeal and replace and forced McCain to reveal his duplicity. Keeping Obamacare until it collapses on itself is not a bad strategy to show how necessary repeal and replace really is. North Korea has backed down and the Taliban in Afghanistan is going into hiding in the Pakistan hills again and will be routed out and destroyed.

    What will it take for you to come to your senses, Stupid Hick?

  71. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    When was McCain going to go along with it do you think? I have no knowledge of Trump sabotaging legislation. Link please.

    What is the travel ban quote you are speaking of?

    Trump stopped the TPP and is hinting at getting out of NAFTA. Pretty sure Conservative people love that. I don’t know about phony Republicans like McCain.

    Got a conservative justice into the supreme court.

    Stopped funding to terrorist rebels in Syria.

    Is repealing two regulations for each new one.

    Is revving up the economy with jobs.

    Decent start I would say.

  72. M
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    I’ll take one.

    Let’s go with “revving up the economy with jobs.”

    The truth: Job growth is continuing on roughly the same trajectory as it was during the Obama years, starting in 2014.

    During Donald Trump’s first five full months in office, employers added 863,000 jobs.

    President Obama, during his last last five months in office, saw 908,000 news jobs created.

    It’s close, but Obama added more, and growth is slowing under Trump.

    If you want to look at the actual data, you will find it here.

  73. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Sure, Obama might have brought shitty jobs that barely help…

    “Disappearing manufacturing jobs have been a dominant issue on the campaign trail. Overall, manufacturing jobs have declined 122,000 since February 2009. But some blue collar jobs are growing, such as construction.
    The bottom line is: Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs, such as those in Silicon Valley and consulting. Others are the low-end jobs, toiling in stores and restaurants.”

    Talking about real jobs Americans can sink their teeth into like manufacturing.

  74. John Galt
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 12:50 pm | Permalink


    Trump is giving us the BEST jobs. The best jobs IN THE WORLD are coming to us thanks to Trump, like coal cleaning jobs!

  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Pretty sure many Americans will line up for the chance to get those jobs in coal. Then you have factory jobs like the plants around Michigan beginning to open up. There is perceivable light at the end of the tunnel now.

  76. EOS
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Wasn’t it a few years ago that a comment on this site revealed the average coal miner makes something like $70 – 80K a year. You don’t have to twist anyone’s arm in Appalachia to take these jobs.

  77. Jcp2
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

  78. Lynne
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    While it is true that people are willing to take coal mining jobs, it should be noted that they are also willing to take jobs in renewable energy too. Also, mining jobs are not coming back. Coal can’t compete with natural gas and technology has drastically reduced labor needs for what coal mining remains.

    Manufacturing jobs also are not coming back in any meaningful sense. Yes, there are market variations where there might be a few jobs added in some quarter or another but the overall trend is clear. Manufacturing jobs are in a decline. Technology is going to continue that trend no matter what we do with global trade agreements or immigration.

    One would have to be either a liar or stupid to say that there is a light at the end of the tunnel in terms of jobs added to the economy.

  79. Anonymous
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 3:26 pm | Permalink


    Here’s something for your viewing pleasure.

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    You would have to be a total dumbfuck which you are not to notice Trump is bringing quality jobs back, Lynne. A 435 job car part factory was just announced in Flint the other day. Obama’s jobs were walmart and crap like that. Unemployment is at the lowest level in sixteen years.

  81. EOS
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 3:55 pm | Permalink


    The President has limited ability to control the economy. It is dependent more on the Federal Reserve. Deep State is setting Trump up for the coming economic collapse. Stocks will be tanking in the near future.

  82. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Oh, I know it, EOS. I worry about planned economic crisis of course. I do not doubt though that Trump helped create a situation where manufacturers are finding it more attractive to invest in USA plants.

  83. Lynne
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Oh HW, you would have to really be a total dumbfuck to make that insult without proper comma placement. Here let me fix it for you

    You would have to be a total dumbfuck, which you are not, to notice Trump is bringing quality jobs back

    In all seriousness though, while 435 jobs is a good thing, it is a drop in the bucket of an industry that has lost 5 million jobs over the past 15 years. It doesn’t represent any real shift away from the trends in employment in manufacturing.

  84. Lynne
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    I have to admit though that it is funny watching people who can’t stand the idea of the government running anything due to incompetence also holding onto a conspiracy theory where the Deep State or The Fed has it together enough to control the economy.

    It is true that the president has less power over the economy than people think but that is because there is only so much policy one can set to influence it. But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t good/bad policy. There is. But the good news is that our system prevents sudden changes so at least things happen gradually. You really often see the effects of a presidents policies long after they have left office. A lot of the employment issues that got Trump elected were partially the result of Reagan era policies.

  85. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Obviously that’s not the only one, dumbass.

    You are so fuckin’ LAME. Look at all the shit you talk and don’t back it up.

    Posted August 24, 2017 at 9:58 am | Permalink
    Ok, HW. First lie I have come across = ” Trump has no association with nazis that I know of”

    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 10:01 am | Permalink
    Obviously you have to state what association you think President Trump has with nazis or you are full of shit. Is this how you live your life? You just go around acting like how you feel is the reality without using facts?”

    “…some bullshit about a totally unrelated point…”

  86. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Nice! I think it might be a TREND.

    “Red States And The Rust Belt Win

    Nine of this year’s top 10 regions for manufacturing job growth are in red states, led by top-ranked Louisville-Jefferson County, which straddles the border between Kentucky and Indiana. Since 2011, manufacturing employment in the metropolitan area has expanded 30.2% to a total of 83,300 jobs, led by a resurgent auto industry that accounts for 27,000 jobs in the area. Due to a slowdown in auto sales, the job count may be peaking, but the hub of the Bluegrass State has had a pretty good ride.

    Louisville is no outlier in the old Rust Belt. Second-ranked Grand Rapids-Wyoming, Mich., has logged a 22% gain in industrial jobs over the same span, spread across a range of sectors including aerospace, advanced metals, automotive, office furniture and medical device manufacturing. In the longtime furniture-making center, 20% of jobs are in manufacturing, the highest proportion among the nation’s largest metro areas.

    Our ranking features several other Midwestern cities on the industrial upswing: No. 4 Kansas City, Mo., No. 5 Warren-Troy-Farmington Hills, Mich., and No. 10 Detroit-Dearborn-Livonia. Taken together the latter two Michigan metro areas are now home to over 245,000 manufacturing jobs, up dramatically from the 205,500 manufacturing jobs they accounted for in 2011 and just below the 252,300 jobs they tallied a decade ago, before the Great Recession hit.”

  87. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    That is from

  88. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    It’s good to be on our way back with real jobs coming. I like it. You know Ypsi used to have automotive plants. A lot of kids I went to school with had parents that worked there. Now there aren’t even that many kids. That is why the schools had to consolidate. When I went to Ypsi high there was barely room for any more kids in the building. The jobs left and the families with them.

    +16,000 Manufacturing
    Employment in manufacturing changed little in July (+16,000). Since reaching a recent low in November 2016, however, employment in the industry has increased by 100,000.

  89. wobblie
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    The President has a great deal of power over the economy. The US budget is an enormous economic factor. Trade treaties and policies are huge. The stupid sanctions that Presidents use against foreign countries have implications for domestic companies. For example because of Obama’s Russian sanctions we lost thousands of jobs when Mistubushi closed its Bloomington Il. SUV assembly plant. Over half of the production from that plant was exported to Russia. All of these are Presidential prerogatives.

    Trump is beginning to renegotiate NAFTA. Just like with Afghanistan, Health Care etc. I expect Trump to flop like a fish and bring all the objectionable super-govermental protections for corporations into our economy through these re-negotiations.
    The economic hell we will live in in four years will be Trumps making.

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know what his Afghanistan strategy is but hopefully he can wrap it up before long. On health care he needs congress to work with him and I believe getting out of the NAFTA treaty requires that too.

  91. Lynne
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    wobblie, you know that congress passes the budget, right? With guidance and input from the president to be sure but the President really has les control over macroeconomic policy than most people think. As a Keynesian, I dont doubt that the govt has great power, but it still has less power than people think. For instance people voted for Trump thinking he could bring their jobs back. He can’t because their jobs werent lost due to policy.

    Sure specific actions can have impacts on specific companies but it is a little bit of a stretch to blame Obama’s Russian sanctions on an auto plant closure in Indiana. I suspect it has more to do with their low sales of the Outlander SUV (something the president cannot control btw). On a side note, they closed despite huge tax breaks which show that particular pro-business policy advocated by Trump and other Republicans has its limits

    FWIW there was one candidate with economic policies WORSE than those of Donald Trump. I wasnt worried though because I knew few Americans would vote for her and even if she somehow were to win, the office of the president doesnt have the power to do the things she said she was going to do. A universal basic income paid for with quantitative easing?!? Woooo. Helllooooo hyper-inflation!

    I wouldnt be surprised if Jill Stein was the one initially making dubious claims that this auto plant closure had something to do with sanctions against Russia. Maybe it was just more of the planted fake news the far left and far right seem to fall for so often?

  92. Anonymous
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Here is something else from Reuters that you might appreciate, HW.

    U.S. homes sales fall to 11-month low; jobless claims up slightly

  93. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Like I said it is a minor point compared to the bombs I’ve been dropping on you. It’s funny to see you people scrambling to find some kind of chink in my armor!

  94. stupid hick
    Posted August 24, 2017 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian and EOS, you’re being cucked. Pay attention to Trump’s results, not what he says. He likes to take credit for things he has nothing to do with, and every failure will always be someone else’s fault. It’s not a media conspiracy, he really is completely full of shit. I tried to throw you a lifeline back to reality. Maybe you’re not ready for it yet. Trump is good for nobody. Someday I hope you will break free.

  95. wobblie
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    You are absolutely wrong Lynn. Under our laws we give the President the power to grant waivers. We have a concept called Most Favored Nation trading Status. Here is a link so you can understand how it works.

    The great sucking sound of US manufacturing jobs leaving was not caused by NAFTA, but rather the granting of MFN trading status to China. For example Prior to Clinton renewing this status for China the UAW had not written a single Trade Adjustment Assistance petition to the USDOL in over a decade. In 1994 Clinton reversed his campaign pledge and renewed China MFN status. That was the signal that it was “politically correct” for US manufactures to leave the country. They did so in droves. In the decade after 1994 the UAW had to write 100’s of trade petitions as 1st. all the small feeder parts companies picked up and moved, and then as the Chinese manufacturing improved more high tech manufacturing.
    For example in 1994 there must have been about 20 Federal Screw plants in Michigan making various fasteners. You can’t find a screw or nut and bolt made in the US today. In 1994 Ypsi was still a manufacturing city. Not anymore.

    Trump could bring back thousands of manufacturing jobs simply by deny China its waiver. Won’t happen the Trump supporters can dream on.

  96. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    Lol, stupid. Do you think you are “speaking my LINGO?” You mean the president is banging my girl? She is not THAT big of a fan I hope! I guess even if that were true it would not be as bad as actually having to screw yourself in the behind every single day on deep state media lies.

  97. Lynne
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    Wobblie. I know what MFN means. I also know that it is YOU that is wrong (as usual). Congress granted China NTR status after changing the name of that status to Normal Trade Relations. They did this to protect US exports to China. Sure there is room for arguement about if that was a good idea in light of the trade deficit that followed but you are wrong if you think the president can undo things with the strome of a pen

  98. stupid hick
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    Lol, it is you who is stroking yourself with ridiculous nonsense to protect your fragile ego, not me. Can’t face it that Trump is racist, so you have to concoct moronic theories about Charlottesville? Ok. Like I said, maybe you’re not ready yet. Fine with me.

  99. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Too bad you don’t have one damn thing to back up what you say, stupid. Racist? How?! How is it moronic to NOTICE FACTS? Brand new white supremacist group starts making vids in June acting exactly like antifa and pissing off the anti-sharia protestors, then shows up at the LEFTIST white supremacist Kessler’s rally and pulls this shit. Give me a fucking break.

  100. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Why isn’t Vanguard America the hot topic? Some goober just showed up, got into uniform and later rammed into people but he’s not an official member so I guess they are in the clear? How is what this incredibly suspicious group’s wannabe member did being transferred onto President Trump? This panel was on the right track.

  101. Jean Henry
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Time to leave HW to his own devices, Folks.

  102. stupid hick
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Look, I understand the truth hurts and your conspiracy theory lube makes it hurt less. I get where you’re coming from, even if you don’t know yourself, yet. I backed up everything I’ve said. It’s actually pretty obvious. Trump’s rhetoric is anti-liberal, but in reality, he does nothing but sabotage conservatives. I don’t have time or interest to rehash it with you. You like the taste of Trump’s shit? Go ahead, take all you can eat.

  103. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    The problem for you is if you leave me alone I will keeping tearing up this blog as much as I want. I talk about facts. None of you have shit. Just shitty little comments…that’s all you got. It is fun to watch you people squirm when you have to face true knowledge.

  104. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    I told you to link to your information about sabotage and you didn’t link shit, stupid. You have to provide evidence to support your rationale. That’s how it works. You can’t just make an assertion and insist it is true when challenged. “Oh, if you can’t see that then I have nothing to say to you or you’re a POS…” That’s not an argument. It’s a specious claim with some empty ridicule mixed in.

  105. site admin
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    “I will keeping tearing up this blog as much as I want”.

    Spoken like someone who truly wants to engage in meaningful dialogue.

  106. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    The funny thing is I am the only one engaging in substantial debate. None of you can deny what I say with knowledge so it’s smear time. That’s what you specialize in and I do not respect it.

  107. Lynne
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    I think stupid hick is right. Well, maybe not about the stuff about Trump working for the interests of the left although as conspiracy theories go, it has at least as much merit as the others and certainly has an air of plausibility to it until you consider that Trump is clearly too much of a narcissist to do anything for anyone but himself. But he is right about the other stuff for sure.

  108. Jcp2
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 3:02 pm | Permalink


    You are a crank. Even if what you espouse becomes mainstream, you won’t be satisfied. Your desire to shock and be controversial in an effort to attract attention will still ostracize you from the group, so you’ll find another conspiracy theory to latch onto. We’re not refuting your claims because it’s logically impossible to prove a negative. Marginal movements attract marginal people, and it’s a bit telling when the mainstream left and the right acknowledge that kooks don’t help their cause. You are posting, not because you have “broken the back of this blog”, but because Mark either is being generous to you, or he’s letting you expose yourself as who you really are. You’ve labeled all Obama or Clinton supporters as de facto Neo-Nazis, yet you live in a community that overwhelming voted for one or the other in the last few election cycles. Under those circumstances, I would imagine that your real social life must be a bit awkward, so you are here. So be it.

  109. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    It is pretty fucking weird living in zombieland but it always has been. I am correct over and over so how could it be that I am a crank? I told you the Russia shit was phony and here we are six months later and you don’t have shit, do you? I should have opened a nothingburger stand and charged you all top dollar.

  110. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    I mean: “You’ve labeled all Obama or Clinton supporters as de facto Neo-Nazis, yet you live in a community that overwhelming voted for one or the other in the last few election cycles.”

    Isn’t that what you collectively have done to Trump voters but even worse because Trump has nothing to do with nazis but Obama does? That’s the lesson. That is why you are going to have to hear about it every time you do it.

  111. Posted August 25, 2017 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    ” I told you the Russia shit was phony and here we are six months later and you don’t have shit, do you?”

    The real world isn’t like an episode of Law and Order, HW. Things don’t wrap up nicely in an hour. That doesn’t make the investigation “phony.” This is likely the most complex corruption case in our nation’s history, and I don’t know of anyone who was expecting it to wrap up cleanly in six months. Rest assured, however, it will wrap up.

  112. jcp2
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Being a crank has little to do with being right or wrong. Being a crank has everything to do with being ill-tempered, grouchy, or unbalanced AND being overzealous about a particular interest or cause. And since you’re continually proving yourself as a crank, your writings and ramblings carry little weight.

    “Crank” is a pejorative term used for a person who holds an unshakable belief that most of his or her contemporaries consider to be false.[1] A crank belief is so wildly at variance with those commonly held as to be considered ludicrous. Cranks characteristically dismiss all evidence or arguments which contradict their own unconventional beliefs, making any rational debate a futile task and rendering them impervious to facts, evidence, and rational inference.

  113. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Haha – you think it is crank like “cranky old man”? Those are two different meanings. You behave exactly as a crank does in the definition only it turns out the ‘conventional’ CNN-style belief is the ludicrous one. I talk evidence. You talk opinions you don’t even back up.

  114. M
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    “I talk evidence.”

    “The Nazis aren’t really Nazis, but Jews.”

  115. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Get the fuck out of here. When did I say that? That is not a quote from any of my posts so don’t try to insinuate that it is.

  116. Jcp2
    Posted August 25, 2017 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    1) Never miss a good chance to shut up.

    2) If you find yourself in a hole,
    stop digging.

    3) The quickest way to double your money
    is to fold it and put it back in your pocket.

    4) There are three kinds of men:
    The ones that learn by reading.
    The few who learn by observation.
    The rest of them have to touch an electric fence.

    5) Good judgment comes from experience,
    and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.

    6) If you’re riding’ ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and then
    to make sure it’s still there.

    7) Lettin’ the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier’n puttin’ it back.

    8) There are two theories to arguing with women….neither work.

  117. anonymous
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 9:13 am | Permalink

  118. M
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    I was generalizing. Here are some of your exact quotes.

    “The daily stormer was created by a jewish nazi.”

    “This Charlottesville shit is stitched up. Kessler and Vanguard America are in fact leftists pretending to be white supremacists.”

    “The Daily Stormer is run by the Jewish Andrew ‘Weev’ Auernheimer. Stormfront is thought to be the same kind of deal. ”

    “The whole fuckin’ thing is phony. You act like you never heard of an agent provocateur.”

    “This Vanguard America group seems so phony. They look and sound just like antifa pretending to be neo-nazis.”

    “How is it not remarkable to have a Jewish Nazi running around doing something like this?”

    I can go on, if you like.

  119. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Only three of those have anything to do with individuals of jewish descent and if you don’t dispute what I am saying then you don’t have much of an argument, do you? None of those quotes are equivalent to the false quote you used. That’s a typical smear tactic for you. You don’t even know you do it, do you? I’m telling you someone like me reeeeally doesn’t like being smeared as anti-semitic or some shit like that and it displeases me greatly to be misquoted about such a thing. That is exactly why I said you must quote me directly. Don’t play this dirty game of insinuation.

  120. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    You yourself fuckin’ reported on the wave of jewish bomb threats as a symptom of president Trump’s racist ideology. Did you ever talk about that it was discovered by the FBI to have been perpetrated by an israeli jew? Probably not I guess. Therefore you are the fake news. Not only do you publicize false information, you use it to smear the president and regular people everywhere. Now you are trying to do it to someone you have to live with in your own community.

  121. stupid hick
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    You haven’t denied you like the taste of Trump’s shit, so it must be true.

  122. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    That illustrates what you do, stupid except you do it worse. Trump disavowed white supremacists like Duke ad nauseum but to you he is a racist because he didn’t do it just how you like. If you try to deconstruct Obama supporters needing to disavow him or be linked to neo nazis then you have to do the same about Trump, who is not even linked to any neo nazis, not on his end anyway. If you don’t it’s blatant hypocrisy. You should apologize for acting like a mudslinging goon actually.

  123. stupid hick
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Stop trying to change the subject. We’re talking about you and your appetite for Trump’s shit, which you won’t even deny, will you? You just eat it up and beg for more. Everyone can see that.

  124. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Bull fuckin’ shit, you shit-flinging goon.

  125. stupid hick
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Exactly, thank you, it is bullshit you have a taste for and bring to this blog. From Trump’s ass to your mouth, that you puke up on this blog.

  126. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Why don’t you say it to my face then?

  127. Jcp2
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous poster HW calls most commenters and members of the community he lives in neo-Nazis, is upset when somebody else anonymously calls him something he finds offensive, demands face to face meeting. Doesn’t that defeat the point of anonymity? Is HW going to larp stupid hick into submission? The warlord does seem to be an expert.

  128. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    How can you not see the point? I even spelled it out it for you. Jeezus you are dumb.

  129. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    I mean you could disavow Obama for having neo nazi ties but you don’t so by your own standard you are nazis. The other choice is to recognize you were wrong to call Trump and Trump voters racist. If you don’t do either then you have to face that you are nazis by your own standards.

  130. Jcp2
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    So if I call a Trump Nazi a Naxi, I’m a Nazi, but if I don’t call an Obama Nazi a Nazi, I’m also a Nazi? Why don’t we get rid of the Nazi word, as I don’t think it means what you think it means, and we’ll just agree that you don’t like people who voted for Obama (most of the people living around you) and you like people who voted for Trump (not many people who live around you). This kind of reminds me of the time you ended up convincing most of the readership that you were pro-dictator (Castro and Stalin, anyhow), despite your best efforts not to. I’m sensing a pattern.

  131. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    No. If you smear regular Trump supporters as nazis and fail to acknowledge Obama’s neo-nazi ties you are a neo nazi by your own standards. I know you don’t understand logic so I don’t suppose you will get it. Just stick with your feelings. I’m sure they make sense to you.

  132. Sad
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    We should take advantage of that closed off street. Maybe Jcp2 and HW could make paper mache mask that represent their online personas and debate their respective points. They could speak “face to face”. The adjacent businesses could sell popcorn. It might be an appropriate end to the long hot summer of 2017?

  133. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2017 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Other potentially productive courses of action:

    1) If you don’t agree with the premise that Obama supported Nazi’s in Ukraine, then attack that premise.

    2)If you don’t agree with the premise that regular Trump supporters are accused of indirectly supporting Nazis by way of their support of Trump, then attack that premise.

    3)If you say Trump is a supporter of Nazis and someone asks for proof, then offer some proof.

    Jesus Christ.

  134. Lynne
    Posted August 27, 2017 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    1. I dont agree with the prmis that Obama supported Nazis in the Ukraine. AS has already been mentioned here, Obama supported democracy and the Ukraine elected far right nazis fair and square. HW is just a moron

    3. The proof that Trump supports Nazis is in who he has picked for key positions in his administration but this pardon of Arpaio is evidence as well at least that he supports white supremacy and racism if not any kind of formal nazi org.

    I will just establish here that when I dont respond to HW, it isnt because he made a good point or somehow won. It is because I think he is too stupid to argue with and what he said is so obviously wrong that there is no need. Plus it is fun to watch him try to manipulate people into engagement. Then I feel bad for him because he is so pathetically needy. :(

  135. Jean Henry
    Posted August 27, 2017 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    “Why don’t you say it to my face then?” from a man whom we only know as Warlord, is the funniest thing written on here since that Nigerian spam a few years ago. I would like to extend an invitation to meet with Hyborian Warlord. I think that would be very interesting. I always use my real name on social media and blogs. Please feel free to contact me.

    I have met several times with JCP2. He is not a persona, but a person. He may even acknowledge that I lose arguments occasionally, despite my gender.

  136. Jean Henry
    Posted August 27, 2017 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    “I know you don’t understand logic so I don’t suppose you will get it.” — this anti-liberal line of argument is so prevalent among conspiracy theorists and autocrats, that I have come to enjoy repeating that I don’t believe in logic. I have the entire intellectual history of the 20th century to back me up on that one, as well as quite a few of it’s atrocities and their justifications. Still, the concept that reason can deceive seems to boggle many people. Many Millennials will need to learn those lessons via direct experience (JCP2’s ‘electric fence’ analogy). Oh well. Logic is not the pathway to truth; it’s simply a framing device, and so is inherently limited. Doctrine always relies on a logic model. And so doctrine is always self-limited. Just like our perception. Sorry, Kids. Everyone craves a set of rules that allows us to understand the world and tells us how to behave in it. We really want those rules to be right. It’s a natural response to chaos and struggle and meaninglessness.

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