Taking another step toward martial law, police fire rubber bullets into a crowd of peaceful protesters in D.C. to clear the way for a presidential photo-op with a Bible

[above: Donald Trump makes his way past a wall of “Fuck Trump” graffiti for a photo-op in front of Washington’s St. John’s church.]

Declaring himself a “president of law and order” in the White House Rose Garden this evening, Donald Trump threatened to deploy the United States military against U.S. citizen in order to put down the uprisings that have been spreading across the country in the wake of George Floyd’s killing in Minneapolis. Citing what he referred to as “acts of domestic terror,” the President said, “If a city or state refuses to take the actions necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them.” And, with that, Donald Trump began walking to the recently fire-damaged St. John’s Church for an awkward photo-op with a Bible.

It should be noted that, just prior to this, the U.S. National Guard and officers from several regional police departments had been deployed to clear a peaceful protest in Lafayette Square, making it possible for Donald Trump to make his way from the White House to the church. Officers had accomplished this by firing rubber bullets and tear gas canisters into the crowd of peaceful protesters. Ironically, this was happening at roughly the same time that Donald Trump, in the Rose Garden, had identified himself as an “ally of all peaceful protestors.” Here’s footage from Lafayette Square.

In a more normal time, with more confident, secure and legitimate president, I imagine this might have played out differently. I can imagine, for instance, that a president, after having given the situation a little thought, might invite a family member of George Floyd’s to the White House, or perhaps consult with a well-respected civil rights icon, like John Lewis. Maybe they’d even call all of the living former U.S. presidents back together to present a unified front, and make a collective appeal to the people of the United States to remain calm. Or, maybe, like Biden did yesterday, another president might actually engage protesters face-to-face. But Donald Trump chose to do none of those things. Instead, after staying out of sight for several days, he choose to threaten martial law as sounds of exploding tear gas canisters reverberated in the distance. But that really shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. We’ve all known that this day would come, and how Trump would respond. As the Atlantic’s Adam Serwer just said, “Trump thinks violence and strength are the same thing, so he is incapable of envisioning a solutions to problems that do not involve more violence.”

For what it’s worth — and this also shouldn’t surprise anyone — Donald Trump didn’t go into St. John’s Church, or meet with their congregation to offer his sympathy. He didn’t even tell them first that he would be coming to take a photo. He just showed up with his film crew, waved a Bible, and had his photo taken. [You can be sure this will show up in his reelection ads.] When asked about this, Bishop Marian Budde of the Episcopal Diocese of D.C. said, “What we are witnessing now is the shredding of our national fabric.” She then went on to say, “Everything he has said and done is to inflame violence.” [Trump, it should be noted, also handled the Bible like he was a San bushman of the Kalahari holding a Coke bottle for the first time.]

update: The President of the United States just retweeted a post calling for the strafing of American citizens.

update: And here’s the finished product. This is what peaceful American protestors were shot with rubber bullets for.

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175 Comments

  1. Maura Healey by proxy
    Posted June 1, 2020 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Mass Attorney General Maura Healey: “No. The President cannot unilaterally deploy the United States military into Massachusetts streets to stop peaceful protests.”

    https://twitter.com/MassAGO/status/1267628668664385543?s=20

  2. George Will in the Washington Post
    Posted June 1, 2020 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    George Will:

    …The nation’s downward spiral into acrimony and sporadic anarchy has had many causes much larger than the small man who is the great exacerbator of them. Most of the causes predate his presidency, and most will survive its January terminus. The measures necessary for restoration of national equilibrium are many and will be protracted far beyond his removal.

    One such measure must be the removal of those in Congress who, unlike the sycophantic mediocrities who cosset him in the White House, will not disappear “magically,” as Eric Trump said the coronavirus would. Voters must dispatch his congressional enablers, especially the senators who still gambol around his ankles with a canine hunger for petting.

    In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.

    A political party’s primary function is to bestow its imprimatur on candidates, thereby proclaiming: This is who we are. In 2016, the Republican Party gave its principal nomination to a vulgarian and then toiled to elect him. And to stock Congress with invertebrates whose unswerving abjectness has enabled his institutional vandalism, who have voiced no serious objections to his Niagara of lies, and whom T.S. Eliot anticipated:

    We are the hollow men . . .
    Our dried voices, when
    We whisper together
    Are quiet and meaningless
    As wind in dry grass
    or rats’ feet over broken glass . . .

    Those who think our unhinged president’s recent mania about a murder two decades ago that never happened represents his moral nadir have missed the lesson of his life: There is no such thing as rock bottom. So, assume that the worst is yet to come. Which implicates national security: Abroad, anti-Americanism sleeps lightly when it sleeps at all, and it is wide-awake as decent people judge our nation’s health by the character of those to whom power is entrusted. Watching, too, are indecent people in Beijing and Moscow.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/no-one-should-want-four-more-years-of-this-taste-of-ashes/2020/06/01/1a80ecf4-a425-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

  3. Sad
    Posted June 1, 2020 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    He has the blackhawks out over DC

    Ominous

  4. Jean Henry
    Posted June 1, 2020 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    copy and paste from WaPo.
    Arlington pulls police out of D.C. after they were used to clear crowd for Trump photo op
    Arlington County officials pulled their police officers, who had been helping the National Park Police with crowd control, from the District after they were used to clear the way for President Trump to make his appearance at St. John’s Church — an action that involved firing chemical canisters and stingers at protesters, including families with children, who were demonstrating peacefully before the District’s 7 p.m. curfew went into effect.
    The county’s police department had been assisting with crowd control at Lafayette Square since Saturday as part of a preexisting mutual aid agreement with the Park Police, filling in whenever an officer holding the line there got tired, said Libby Garvey, the chair of Arlington County’s board.
    “The next thing we know, they get pulled in to do this photo op,” Garvey (D) said. “Our mutual aid agreement is to help each other when we’re trying to protect people; not for photo ops. It endangered everybody in the park. It endangered all of our officers. We don’t do that. ”

  5. John Brown
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    He’s the poster boy for the Christo Fascist, get it yet? Violently liberating a church is so on brand. And right after getting his marching orders from pooty updated yesterday. Thanks a lot trumpers for bringing ruskie ganstster style Christo fascism to the USA. Your payback is gonna be fitting the treason you committed.

  6. Jean Henry
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    This is from the bishop of at Johns

    Statement from Presiding Bishop Michael B. Curry on President Donald Trump’s use of a church building and the Holy Bible.

    This evening, the President of the United States stood in front of St. John’s Episcopal Church, lifted up a bible, and had pictures of himself taken. In so doing, he used a church building and the Holy Bible for partisan political purposes. This was done in a time of deep hurt and pain in our country, and his action did nothing to help us or to heal us.

    The bible teaches us that “God is love.” Jesus of Nazareth taught, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The prophet Micah taught that the Lord requires us to “do justice, love mercy and walk humbly with our God.”

    The bible the President held up and the church that he stood in front of represent the values of love, of justice, of compassion, and of a way to heal our hurts.

    We need our President, and all who hold office, to be moral leaders who help us to be a people and nation living these values. For the sake of George Floyd, for all who have wrongly suffered, and for the sake of us all, we need leaders to help us to be “one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all.”

  7. Bob
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    “Mr President, is that YOUR Bible?”
    “It’s a Bible”

    Fuckwad had it upside down too

  8. iRobert
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    Trump’s phone call with governors was made only for the purpose of trying to take credit for the work they are doing. It’s just the same as all the bullshit press conferences where Trump mentions all the work the states and cities have been doing to deal with the pandemic, trying to take credit for it. His stupid supporters are buying it, of course.

  9. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Aloha, the Trump virus kills another person in Oshkosh it is up to 7 now, 6 since Trump liberated the state. Up another couple dozen infections too. Now stands at 250, that is an increase of 150 since liberation. MAGA

  10. Carl Bernstein by proxy
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    We have now watched an armed attack, instigated by the president of the United States, on peaceful, law-abiding demonstrators exercising their Constitutional rights. All of Trump’s actions and words have etched today as a grim moment in American history.

  11. Michael McFaul by proxy
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    This sure feels like a reelection ad to me. Should our police be ordered to use tear gas against peaceful protestors, violating their 1st amendment rights, to help make campaign ads? Something just doesn’t feel right here. Comments?

  12. Demetrius
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Citizens have a well-established right to (peacefully) protest.

    And yet, Trump used federal law enforcement officers, and commandeered state and local ones, to remove peaceful protesters by force – all so he could could use a church (without permission) to stage scenes for a 2020 campaign video. (see below)

    At this point, any politician or other leader who is not genuinely calling for Trump to be arrested and charged is just part of the problem.

    https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1267676026391404544?s=20

  13. Lynne
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    I don’t know what to say other than this may be a turning point. Admittedly, I am using my personal bubble as my data points but this morning *two* of my Trump-voting relatives expressed reservations about voting for him again. They will never vote for Biden of course but I think there is a chance they might vote for Jo Jorgensen so I sent them links to her website.

  14. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    The turning point hinges on Trump or not Trump? That should be your first clue that you might be getting played.

  15. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Or it might give you a clue of what shadow motivations you have personally. Are your motivations putting young, innocent and vulnerable people at risk? These are not rhetorical questions?

  16. Dan Pfeiffer by proxy
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    It’s going to be pretty hard for the Trump campaign to execute their strategy of painting Biden as not up to the task when Biden is delivering thoughtful speeches and Trump is tweeting out racist Mad Libs while holding a bible upside down.

  17. Anonymous
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Ben Sasse is starting to grow a backbone again!

    BEN SASSE statement: “There is no right to riot… But there is a fundamental—a Constitutional—right to protest, and I’m against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop.”

  18. Satan
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Holding a bible upside down is a way to signal allegiance to me.

  19. Jean Henry
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Lynne— the narrative on Fox News has changed from the standard blame the victim narrative. They are a knowledging that Floyd was murdered.
    Hell even FF hasn’t pointed to the video and demanded we rewatch it for this or that moment.

    They are following Trump’s lead. They always do. I’m thinking he’s following Kanye and Kim’s lead… Hard to say but reconciling populism with traditional conservative hot takes gets messy sometimes. This is one of those places.

    When the narrative on the right acknowledged police abuse, when liberals start to stand back and listen to BlPOC ( except for iRobert…) we are on our way to change.

    I was telling my daughter that there’s always decades of work and then it catches and the tipping point happens fast.

    I’d say these protests have brought us 10 years closer to reparations and Real police and prison reform. So 10-15 more years to struggle and fight.

  20. Posted June 2, 2020 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    JH, I hope you are right!

  21. iRobert
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Jean thinks what is happening now affirms her delusional thinking. Jean determines what constitutes “listening” and who’s “listening.”

  22. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Jean,

    You are a mega idiot. Any positive change that occurs in this world will come about in spite of your regressive ways of being. You have no instincts for the truth. Zero. This could have been a slam dunk moment of unity against police brutality. Instead it’s a fucking mess leading to property loss and real harm/ death to countless innocent lives. The people on Fox News being against the murder of Floyd is a sign of a victory to you ONLY because you have an extremely fucked up asessment of other people’s basic views.

  23. EOS
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    So Progressives think it is good to encourage people disrupt traffic, burn buildings and police cars, loot, and throw bricks and water bottles at police. But trying to stop the anarchists and law breakers is fascist and an imposition of martial law. When the dust settles, Support for Trump will grow. Nearly every large city has been deeply damaged by the inability of Democratic policies to promote viable economies. It’s a disgrace. Anyone able will be leaving the cities.

  24. iRobert
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    That’s a very inaccurate depiction of what’s going on, EOS. But I suppose that’s something you have to do to make yourself feel better about Trump using a bible and church so blatantly as nothing but props.

    Progressives condemn the violence and destruction. Only people like Jean excuse it. Many of the provocateurs have been identified as right wingers seeking to create chaos. The vast majority of Americans want justice and peace.

  25. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Until I hear these progressive elders denounce the criminal acts of Antifa and others explicitly I will assume there is a part of them that supports their acts. Their tacit support exists, as far as I can tell, because they think the chaos will help their old white demented dotard win. That’s their shadow motivation. Pathetic. Weak. It will backfire. Can you imagine being a liberal person of color and the person who is provided to you to represent your interests is Joe Biden? What a cruel joke that must feel like. I agree with what EOS just said 100%.

  26. EOS
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    No, turn on all the MSM sources. They glorify the lawbreaking protestors and blame Trump for all their burning and looting. BLM and ANTIFA are funded by Soros to hide behind the useful idiots and push violence. The Dems want chaos and there is absolutely no denying that this has been their sole agenda since 2016. No sane person believes otherwise.

  27. iRobert
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    So you two don’t have anything to say about Trump ordering peaceful protesters tear-gassed and shot with rubber bullets so that he could do a phony photo op?

    What happened to your concern for basic rights you seemed to have a few weeks ago?

  28. iRobert
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Joe Biden’s remarks today were eloquent actually, FF.

    Meanwhile, your hero Trump looks as pathetic as ever reading his TelePrompTer.

  29. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know about it, iRobert. If Trump ordered peaceful protestors to get gassed/ shot with rubber bullets then that would be very wrong.

  30. iRobert
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    You don’t know about it?

  31. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    This?

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?472687-1/country-crying-leadership-joe-biden-philadelphia-speech

    He looks like he is reading the whole thing.

  32. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know about the photo op and order. If it happened as you said then it is bad.

  33. iRobert
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Have you been avoiding the coverage of it? Mark has just now posted a new thread regarding it, so I guess you may want to avoid that too.

  34. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    I am just now reading what Mark posted now. Sorry. I have been very busy. It doesn’t matter. If it was done it was wrong as I said.

  35. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Peace

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuuyrH8S5Ko

  36. iRobert
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Speeches are almost always written first, and organized and edited. But it was fairly well written and delivered. That is in dramatic contrast to the weird way Trump reads the speeches written for him. It’s like watching a elementary school student reading a book report he didn’t have much roll in writing, and doesn’t quite even understand at times.

    It’s pretty weird that a person could be so critical of Biden while also being so oblivious to the embarrassing idiocy of Trump. I sometimes wonder if you are doing it with a straight face.

  37. iRobert
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    HW, the video you posted is not of the peaceful protest your hero had broken up with rubber bullets and teargas.

    I agree with you that the criminals who are using the protests for cover should be dealt with most harshly. But I don’t think you can blame the looting and property destruction on the much larger number peaceful protesters the criminals are attempting to use for cover.

    I personally believe looters deserve to be shot when they break and enter any building. Peaceful demonstrators do not deserve to be shot with rubber bullets and gassed just so Trump can do a phony photo op.

  38. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    A boxing match is mostly non-violent because the majority of the time they aren’t hitting each other plus there are people in the ring who don’t even fight.

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 2, 2020 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Shoot the looters? That seems extreme. I can actually have sympathy for the young people who are Antifa, vandals, and looters. They are confused kids. Been there, done that. I however, have zero sympathy for the silent and enabling progressive elders who refuse to speak out against the criminal acts in clear and in no in ertain terms. A bunch of weak, middle aged bitch asses willing to sacrifice misguided youth (and their victims) because they think they might see some profit out of it. (Not talking about you iRobert.)

  40. iRobert
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 1:05 am | Permalink

    Maybe we can compromise and just have the looters shot with rubber bullets.

  41. EOS
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    The peaceful demonstrators may have had a legitimate excuse the first night or two. But honest persons would not keep going back to protests where there is so much violence and criminal activity. By doing so they willingly engage in an ongoing criminal enterprise.

  42. EOS
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    If you are more outraged that our President stood in front of a church holding a Bible, than you were that “peaceful protesters” set it on fire, you should re-evaluate your priorities while you are still on the green side of the grass.

  43. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Aloha, cool video of cops trashing their own cop car–who do you think they blame the “violence” on

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYJMmShTp0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2cf3JPEvjieXD2uGW0gGpdKlZwVr-r6K1K486rgDXhUXSNtIr1xY5jg0w

  44. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    Aloha, when trained by a racist occupation force in policing techniques, you probably end up acting like a racist occupation force.

    https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/minnesota-cops-trained-israeli-forces-restraint-techniques?fbclid=IwAR1ck8gdSK2ujK7Zg5TcoPyjA-itZpL0zs-0qfHHNLnh-Jw4vKPoqJOf9z0#.XtZsJslAyVM.facebook

  45. iRobert
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    I’m not outraged at all that your idiot hero stood in front of a church holding a Bible. I think it’s funny, and I would like to see him continue to pull such absurd stunts. He’s a joke. His pretending to be in the least bit interested in Christianity in order to sucker folks such as yourself is funny. Watching you jump through hoops for him is great.

  46. iRobert
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    I try to look at the bright side of things these days, EOS. If Trump is reinstalled this November, I get to watch folks like yourself warping themselves in ever increasingly absurd fashion in order to stick with their crazy clown hero. I may be the only American giggling on election night if the shadow government pulls another clever move and grants us another four years of this disaster.

    I’ll of course be mourning all the decent and innocent victims of this absurdity, as is only proper.

  47. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    All you have left is being as irritating as possible.

  48. iRobert
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    If facing the truth is irritating for you, HW, yes.

    So what excuses are you buying and selling on Trump ordering peaceful protesters in Lafayette Park shot with rubber bullets and flash-banged so the clown could do a photo op?

  49. EOS
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    I don’t know the President’s heart, but I do like his policies that support life and religious freedoms.

  50. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    If the President is coming and you don’t get your bitch ass out of the street then a little flash bang maybe is what you asked for.

  51. Anonymous
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    “I do like his policies that support life and religious freedoms.”

    Narrator’s voice: Donald Trump supports the death penalty, and attempted to ban Muslims from entering the United States.

  52. iRobert
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    So you think Whitmer should have gone for a walk around the capital building so the state police could flash-Bang Trumpanzees last month too. I like your thinking.

  53. Anonymous
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    “If the President is coming and you don’t get your bitch ass out of the street then a little flash bang maybe is what you asked for.”

    That kind of says it all, doesn’t it?

    Some people hunger for authoritarianism. They claim to love the constitution, but what they really love is the feeling of being dominated by a strong father.

  54. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    But nothing got destroyed during the whole Lansing protest. They are burning our cities in riots.

  55. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Aloha, I wonder if the FBI will be following up on the citizens evidence of law breaking. (No I don’t I have no doubt Barr will stop any follow-up).

    https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-asks-evidence-individuals-inciting-violence-during-protests-people-respond-videos-police-1508165

  56. iRobert
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    The protest Trump had broken up with flash-bangs and rubber bullets was a peaceful one. They weren’t destroying anything either.

    Why didn’t your idiot hero order that force on the rioters instead of the peacefully assembled?

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Boxing is non-violent.

  58. iRobert
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    There was absolutely no legitimate reason to attack the protesters in Lafayette Park. The reason Trump ordered it was obvious. You can’t acknowledge it was wrong. This is my point about you. You are very smart, but this is your Achilles heel – you can’t be honest with yourself when it involves Trump’s reprehensible conduct.

    It’s really not that painful to be honest, HW. And it is almost absolutely inconsequential here in anonymity.

  59. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    They refused to get the fuck out of the way for the President. If there is a presidential motorcade do you get to set up a blockade to stop it?

  60. iRobert
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    It shouldn’t have to be pointed out that Trump chose to walk through the area where the protest was only for the purpose of ordering it dispersed. He thought he was making a point.

    As I suggested, Whitmer could have done the same thing but didn’t, because she’s not a mental patient.

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    It wasn’t on the way to where he was going? Do you really think the President walking somewhere because he wanted it dispersed makes sense? Perhaps the message is he won’t be cowed like the governors and mayors by violence and destruction.

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    You can’t admit the Lansing protest had no consequences. Neither can you admit the peaceful protests turn into violence every night. You think your perception could possibly be out of whack?

  63. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    It’s interesting to bring the Lansing protestors into this in such a derogatory way. I have been wondering if some of the protestors are going hungry because they are out of work. Not sure what the situation is but I worry about it. AA appears mostly insulated from the bad economic effects. People seem to be doing fine, getting paid, with a lot of extra free time—if we are being honest. I wonder/ worry if there are a lot of other places where people are unable to work and are not getting their unemployment checks. We are all 3 or 4 missed meals from taking extreme measures to get a meal including protesting, stealing and even rioting.

    I have not been able to follow this closely. Are there people talking about the economic hardship as a reason they are protesting beyond Justice for Floyd?

  64. Posted June 3, 2020 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

  65. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 3, 2020 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Coronan Rhapsody

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giDttMU-k00

  66. iRobert
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 4:34 am | Permalink

    HW: “You can’t admit the Lansing protest had no consequences.”

    There is some indication that the Lansing protesters did help spread the virus to a few rural areas around the state. Though I do admit it wasn’t all that significant.

    HW:”Neither can you admit the peaceful protests turn into violence every night.”

    I do admit some do. Not all by a long shot. And it doesn’t justify aggressively clearing protesters when they are being peaceful. I’m in favor of aggressive response to violent individual protesters.

    HW: “You think your perception could possibly be out of whack?”

    Not terribly. I don’t have the need to stick with a strict ideological allegiance. I’m not afraid of the truth or facts of any situation. I’m not incapable of being critical of some bullshit hero figure. I don’t have a need for some hero to worship.

  67. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 6:27 am | Permalink

    These are all sincere questions because I have not had a lot of time to review this stuff: Were there rubber bullets and tear gas? Was it violent? Was curfew approaching? I don’t know about the rubber bullets. The tear gas claim seems doubtful as you can witness the reaction of the crowd. I would say the peaceful protestors are reacting to loud noises, smoke, and uncertainty as they retreated. Here is a video from H street. The street that the church is on and Lafayette square is on.

    https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/dc/lafayette-square-washington-dc-protests-st-johns-church/65-f76d9753-8d99-42df-b02d-99d11a427595

  68. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    Aloha IRobert, you are absolutely wrong. It was the Leaders calls for “liberation” and the subsequent protest that set the stage for Floyds death. People realize Trump is willing to send as many poor poc to their death as necessary to make his white middle class supporters like EOS comfortable in their bunkers. The murderers of Floyd were just following the orders of the Leader to return to “normalcy”.
    People recognize that the Leader is at war with us, and cares not an iota about our health and safety. Even a war mongering fascist killers like Mad Dog recognize that only racist pieces of shit are going to answer the Leaders call for violence.
    Trump has no moral authority, only violence, HW loves it. FF tries to rationalize it, EOS, well she lives in an alternative reality made up of magic.

  69. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    Aloha, once again going to church proves to be one of the best ways to spread the Trump virus.

    https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/06/03/idaho-christians-held-a-religious-event-10-days-ago-now-30-of-them-have-covid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1H7DziWTZJwxsigZz5WJ0smTV5wfQlBHn4KmjkL8jhmzjmt-Aq2T-X34o

  70. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    I just looked at the first few minutes of the video Mark shared. Maybe this a question for a ColuMbo type: When groups of people without eye protection are in the direct vicinity of tear gas do they usually stand in the cloud of smoke and look at their smartphones?

  71. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    ” It was the Leaders calls for “liberation” and the subsequent protest that set the stage for Floyds death. People realize Trump is willing to send as many poor poc to their death as necessary to make his white middle class supporters like EOS comfortable in their bunkers. The murderers of Floyd were just following the orders of the Leader to return to “normalcy”.

    Please tell me this is a parody. I feel bad thinking someone is this mentally fucked.

  72. Eel
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    “But, but, how do we know it was tear gas? We can’t smell it on the video? How do we know it wasn’t dry ice in a fog machine? How do we know it wasn’t a kind of fog that smelled like cupcakes?”

    Here’s a fact check from the Associated Press: “AP finds the chemical irritants used by officers on Monday to disperse protesters at Lafayette Square are classified as tear gas by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

    Please move on to your next stupid talking point.

    https://apnews.com/2aa7979e6fb88948895407f127e5e5b6

  73. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    Eel,

    Is it possible that there was a very low level of irritant used? Watch videos where people are choking on tear gas. Compare those reactions to the people in the videos Mark shared. Is there a difference. I am not spending much time on it but I noticed people standing in smoke unbothered and without eye protection. Why is that stupid to ask the question? I have zero time to watch the news so I don’t know if what I am saying is part of a larger talking point or not. Just a question. Do you want to answer it or do you want to continue your Democrat monkey boy routine?

  74. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, the death cult wants us to forget that the “normalcy” in the before times included the police covering up the racist murder of an innocent jogger in Georgia. A crime that the normal local police covered up for two months.
    Russ Bynum, Associated Press Updated 11:42 am CDT, Thursday, June 4, 2020

    BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) — A state investigator alleged Thursday that a white man was heard saying a racial slur as he stood over Ahmaud Arbery’s body, moments after killing him with three shots from a pump-action shotgun.

    The lead Georgia Bureau of Investigation agent in the case testified that Travis and Greg McMichael and a third man in another pickup, William “Roddie” Bryan, repeatedly used their trucks to chase down and box in Arbery, who repeatedly reversed directions and even jumped into a ditch in a desperate struggle to escape.

    . . .

    Dial testified that investigators found a Confederate symbol in Travis’ McMichael’s truck and several more racial slurs in messages on his phone. The U.S. Department of Justice said on May 11 that it is “assessing all the evidence to determine whether federal hate crime charges are appropriate.” Georgia is one of the few states that don’t have a hate crime law.

    Travis McMichael, 34, his father Greg McMichael, 64, and Bryan, 50, were charged with murder more than two months after the Arbery was killed, after a series of recusals by local prosecutors and the emergence of Bryan’s video of the final encounter led to a state takeover of the case.

  75. Anonymous
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52869563

    Leaving for FF.

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Rose City Antifa infiltrated. Not organized? Highly organized rather. Regular clandestine meetings with powerpoint even. Anyone who thinks antifa is not organized and destructive you have a lot to eat here. This is just the beginning. Many of them will face justice. D.C. falls under federal jurisdiction by the way.

    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1268564733264830467

  77. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    “Aloha, the death cult wants us to forget that the “normalcy” in the before times included the police covering up the racist murder of an innocent jogger in Georgia. ”

    So dumb it hurts. How do you manage? You just fling all the random accusations you can and hope something sticks but none of it does.

  78. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    If you want to aim at a fruitful exchange could you please tell me why specifically you are offering me an article to read? So, a normal person might say something like: “FF has a narrow understanding of x this article might broaden his understanding on how x related to y. I think Z is a crucial aspect FF is missing and it is talked about when the author said a, b, and c in the third paragraph.” Do you understand that just offering a general article is not very helpful?

  79. Eel
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Is “Trump only had the National Guard fire a low level irritant at peaceful protesters between rubber bullet blasts” really the hill you want to die on?

  80. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Eel,

    I asked a simple question. I don’t know why the protestors (who did seem peaceful) were not showing signs of tear gas exposure (to me from what I saw). My sample was admittedly small. Maybe there is video where they are showing signs that are consistent with tear gas exposure? I don’t know. Do you? There was a curfew. Yes or no? It is well documented that the curfew was communicated prior to forced dispersal through loud speaker and it is also well documented that they began clearing the area 25 minutes prior to curfew. I am not dying on hills. I am asking basic questions. If you do not want to answer a basic question that is fine. I will research it more myself.

    In the mean time you might want to ask yourself why it is important to you to be dismissive of basic questions which address basic truth claims?

  81. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    You’ve been on a steady diet of eating your own words for years. Hope you aren’t sick of it.

    Neal Augenstein
    @AugensteinWTOP

    NEW: Smoke canisters and pepper balls, but United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory T. Monahan says “No tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park.”
    4:53 PM · Jun 2, 2020

  82. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Rubber bullets and tear gas, huh? Those are going to be some tough words to chew. No tear gas, no rubber bullets, FROZEN water bottles thrown…get the fuck out of here.

    https://wtop.com/dc/2020/06/some-clarity-a-day-after-reports-of-tear-gas-in-lafayette-square-but-questions-remain/

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Eel’s humor always gives me the same feeling I get when a moron thinks his racist or sexist jokes are funny. The supposed humor rests on a whole set of falsehoods that are contingent on the racists fucked up worldview and misapprehensions.

  84. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, the Trump virus killed another thousand of us today. The toll in Oshkosh continues to rise, nearly 300 confirm–ed cases–200 since Trump liberated the state. 7 now dead– MAGA

  85. Lynne
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    It cracks me up that anyone would call Trump “pro-life” when so many thousands are dying because he didn’t care enough to do anything. Not that the anti-abortion movement was ever about life in the first place.

  86. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Just like with body counts, the “details” are what is important to the death cult.

    But the U.S. Park Police, while saying in a statement Tuesday that “no tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park,” also said it had deployed “pepper balls” and “smoke canisters.”

    It is the “pepper balls” which are causing the tear gas like eye irritation. Does it really matter the type of “non-lethal” weapons that were employed to attack peaceful citizens?

  87. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Can you show us where you see people showing signs of eye irritation in the videos, Wobblie? It might be in the videos but I didn’t notice it when I glanced at it. I noticed people standing in the smoke looking at their phones. You don’t think determining the extent of force used to disperse the crowd is relevant?

  88. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Not much of an ‘ATTACK’ if no one got hurt.

  89. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Can’t let your own *****-** hysteria get in the way of your big chance to burn it all down. Zero outrage about “idiots” (as you say about people you hate) destroying the benefits gained from months of social distancing and statewide shutdowns.

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure only a few people threw rocks and probably 99% of the time they weren’t even throwing them. Cherry-picking those isolated instances when a rock was thrown only promotes fascist violence towards peaceful protests. Am I doing it right?

    “Deeper reporting reveals that protesters did begin to get arrested, throwing water bottles, rocks and other projectiles at the oncoming police.

    “As many of the protesters became more combative, continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons, officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls.” Monahan’s statement also described “caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.”

  91. Lynne
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    There is simply no justification for using such tactics on peaceful protesters. Trying to pretend that such tactics were not used because you don’t see enough tears on the video is pretty messed up.

  92. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    If the peaceful protestors are riddled with violent ones then maybe the peaceful ones should get out of the way and let the police make them stop. It’s Orwellian to call a protest full of violence peaceful. It’s gaslighting. It’s lying.

  93. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Lynne does not think trying to determine the extent of the force to disperse a crowd is relevant to a conversation about the force used to disperse a crowd?

    That’s odd.

  94. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    “Such tactics”?

    I miss the days when Cassandra would put little stars around the word “is”.

  95. Posted June 4, 2020 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    There are many types of ‘tear gas.’ Here’s how to tell the difference.

    https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/there-are-many-types-of-tear-gas-heres-how-to-tell-the-difference/

    (From Poynter.com)

  96. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Another black man killed

    https://www.kmov.com/news/retired-st-louis-police-captain-david-dorn-murdered-by-a-looter-outside-pawn-shop/article_327ce1e4-a4a9-11ea-8b67-ff8a3d5d9ab4.html

  97. CNN
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    President Donald Trump on Thursday shared a letter on Twitter that referred to the peaceful protesters who were forcibly dispersed from a park near the White House on Monday evening as “terrorists.”

    The letter from veteran attorney and former Trump lawyer John Dowd appears to be addressed to former Secretary of Defense James Mattis and rebuts Mattis’ Wednesday statement castigating Trump’s response to the nationwide protests after the death of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer.

    “The phony protesters near Lafayette were not peaceful and are not real,” Dowd’s letter claimed, without citing any evidence. “They are terrorists using idle hate filled students to burn and destroy. They were abusing and disrespecting the police when the police were preparing the area for the 1900 curfew.”

  98. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Antifa are terrorists. That is true. They use violence to try to achieve a political goal: destroying the USA and capitalism itself for the communist cause.

  99. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, yet another Trumpian fantasy “The FBI’s Washington Field Office “has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence” in the violence that occurred”

    https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/

    But remember to just keep repeating, It is just like the flu, it is all China’s fault, and ANTIFA is bad.
    As we all know, if you tell the lies often enough some one will believe you.

  100. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, just outlined the standard fascist playbook. ” the peaceful protestors are riddled with violent ones then maybe the peaceful ones should get out of the way and let the police make them stop. It’s Orwellian to call a protest full of violence peaceful. ” It has been used repeatedly by fascist. Salt mass peaceful protest with provocateurs to provide a pretext for police action. The purpose is multi-fold. 1)Demonize the protesters by constantly hyping the need for the police action. Corporate media will replay anything that looks violent endlessly, but rarely show the thousands and 10’s of thousands of peaceful protesters 2) Deter older and infirm people and folks with children from attending mass protest. 3) It allows sadistic cops to get their jollies off beating up folks in the streets.
    Every fascist movement needs shock troops willing to terrorize and control the streets.

  101. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, the people understand where the violence is originating

    Councilors: ‘We’re going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department’

    Source: Minneapolis News

    Members of Minneapolis City Council are adding fuel to growing calls for the disbanding of the Minneapolis Police Department in the wake of George Floyd’s killing.

    There have been rumblings in recent days of looking for alternative approaches to law enforcement and crime prevention in Minneapolis, as trust in the police department continues to plummet after the 46-year-old’s death.

    Chief among those calling for change is Northside council member Jeremiah Ellison, who on Thursday tweeted “we are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department.”

    “And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together,” he added. “We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due.”

    Read more: https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/councilor-were-going-to-dismantle-the-minneapolis-police-department

  102. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    The Lancet had to retract that hydroxychloroquine study you were so annoying about. Why are you people so predictably, reliably wrong? Every time!

  103. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 4, 2020 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, thought this was an interesting list of accomplishments

    “Did somebody say rebellions don’t solve anything?!
    A RUNNING CROWD-SOURCED LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF 2020 UPRISING SINCE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD (5/25).
    – Please copy and paste into your own post to add things that are missing!!
    5/26 – 4 officers fired – Minneapolis, MN
    5/28 – Univ of Minn cancels contract with police – Minneapolis, MN
    5/28 – 3rd Precinct Police station neutralized by protestors – Minneapolis, MN
    5/28 – ATU Local 1005 refuses to bring police officers to the protests, or transport arrested protesters, Minneapolis, MN
    5/29 – Activists commandeer hotel to provide shelter to homeless – Minneapolis, MN
    5/29 – Officer Chauvin who killed George Floyd arrested – Minneapolis, MN
    5/30 – MN AG Ellison takes over prosecution of the murdering officer (and possibly the other officers) – Minneapolis, MN
    5/30 – TWU Local 100 Bus Operators refuses to transport arrested protestors – NYC, NY
    5/31 – 2 abusive officers fired – Atlanta, GA
    6/1 – Minneapolis public schools end contract with police – Minneapolis, MN
    6/1 – Confederate Monument removed – Birmingham, AL
    6/1 – CA Prosecutors launch campaign to stop DA’s from accepting police union money – CA
    6/1 – Confederate statue ordered to be removed – Bentonville, AR
    6/2 – Rizzo statue removed – Philadelphia, PA
    6/2 – 6 abusive officers charged – Atlanta, GA
    6/2 – Confederate soldier statue removed – Alexandria, VA
    6/2 – Robert Lee statue removed – Fort Myers, FL
    6/2 – Civil Rights investigation of Minneapolis Police Dept launched – Minneapolis, MN
    6/3 – 1 officer fired for pro-violence tweets – Denver, CO
    6/3 – Minneapolis park district end contract with MPD
    6/3 – all officers involved in Floyd death are arrested and charges are brought up to 2nd degree from 3rd degree by Keith Ellison – Minneapolis, MN
    #UprisingsAreLabor
    #MassesMakeHistory
    #Dialectical

  104. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    Oh it’s right wingers doing the arson! Not antifa!!! You are going to find out you are wrong as shit. Not only wrong but belligerent about it. You can’t play pretend forever.

  105. iRobert
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 5:30 am | Permalink

    Public opinion is turning against Trump increasingly and in favor of protesters. I think guys are FF, HW and EOS are helping to make that happen. Their inability to be honest about even the most obvious aspects of Trump’s terrible behavior and failure of leadership is giving everyone a clearer picture than they would otherwise have.

  106. iRobert
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    Correction: “I think guys like FF, HW and EOS are helping to make that happen.”

    The more reasonable people see of what terrible behavior the Trumpazees will excuse and defend, the more those more reasonable people are choosing to distance themselves from it.

  107. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    But it is only Trump versus the protestors in your mind. I don’t know anyone who does not support the protests for Floyd. Not one person. I am one of those protestors. (I just refuse to protest in crowds under these conditions.)

  108. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    The good protestors are unknowingly providing cover for criminal actions of Antifa, vandals, thieves, and arsonists…It might work itself out as I have heard it reported that BLM is calling out Antifa. That would be good. Not sure.

  109. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    Trying to turn it into supporters or the protestors versus supporters of Trump is some insanely low level analysis, iRobert.

  110. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    Do people disagree with curfews? Not ideal but I think curfews are an appropriate response given the circumstances.

  111. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    Aloha, this is why the police engage in nightly attacks on the people. If these were the daily images the media broadcast, there would be no questions about the purpose of the demonstrations.

    https://www.facebook.com/marion.mourtada/videos/10157229749437927

  112. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Given the Facebook post accompanying the video I don’t understand what you mean Wobblie. Can you articulate what the purpose of the demonstrations really are Wobblie? Are you saying they are really protests for peace generally? Is that consistent with what the Facebook poster you shared was trying to say? I am confused.

  113. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Aloha FF, no you are not, you are a very sophisticated and seem to be 100% ok with the fascist sowing violence and disunity. You seem quit comfortable and accepting of the carnage your Leader is inflicting on this country. So no, I don’t think you are confused. I said very clearly what I meant, but in your endless attempts to obfuscate the issues you feign, confusion.

    What is important to you is Was it tear gas . Not What business did the President of a Constitutional Republic have in deploying Federal para-militaries against citizens engaging in exercising their rights. Those same para-militaries utilized non-lethal weapons that included eye irritants does it really matter what type of weapons they used?
    You also seem quit alright with the reasons why the Leader, he is no president of this Republic, deploying para-militaries so he could have a photo opt—

  114. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    I do think there are forces that have the goal of disunity. I am still trying to figure out where those forces specifically originated. Who do you think benefits from our division?

  115. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    You are the fascist, stupid name guy. You support every CIA op (and the CIA is fascist). You have enough awareness to understand 9-11 was a lie but in the Trump era you did an about face when it comes to truth. I suppose you got on board with 9-11 truth only because it was Bush. You can see that the CIA’s Russian collusion op was trash but now latch onto every single lie. You characterize these protests as peaceful despite rampant destructive criminal behavior by many of those same people. You say it is the right! Socialist CIA goon.

  116. Jean Henry
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    “I do think there are forces that have the goal of disunity. I am still trying to figure out where those forces specifically originated.” –FF

    You can’t figure it out because you can’t admit flaws in Trump.

    He fired tear gas and rubber bullets on civilians peacefully protesting
    during the day time.
    Legally.
    For a photo op.
    And he used the military to do it.

    Just imagine if Obama had done the same thing.

    You would lose your shit.

    Stop fucking lying to yourself.

  117. Jean Henry
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    This post is about Trump arranging for DC metro police and national park troops to disperse crowds of peaceful protesters with tear gas and rubber bullets for a photo op.

    Stop trying to make it about something else.

    Do you have something to say about what this post addresses?
    If not, shut the fuck up.

    Your mind and heart are corrupted

  118. Jean Henry
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    FF says ” I have zero time to watch the news” but plenty of time to do his own ‘research’ looking at videos and go on and on here.

    Just stop talking and speculating and watch the damn news. Lord knows you won’t listen to anyone.

  119. Lynne
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    There is no need to make this complicated. The president had law enforcement fire rubber bullets and tear gas on a crowd of peaceful protestors in order to clear the area for a photo op. Are you ok with that or are you not?

  120. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    CCP has your back.

    https://twitter.com/haiwainet/status/1202095134101381122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1202095134101381122&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fasia%2F2019%2F12%2F06%2Fchinese-government-propaganda-urges-supporters-to-burn-down-white-house%2F

  121. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Did he? I thought that was in dispute? I don’t understand the animosity toward me right now. It’s odd. I asked basic questions about it a few days ago. They went unanswered. The fact that they were unanswered proved nothing one way or the other but it does not move the needle on whether or not there are facts in dispute. Ignoring dispute does not erase the presence of a dispute. I reported that I quickly watched some of the Lafayette square videos and saw people standing in clouds of smoke looking at their phones without showing signs of eye irritation. Why are you so upset?

  122. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    I admit I don’t have answers. I have stated repeatedly that those are sincere questions. Because they are. Your reactions are very strange.

    It is important to have facts lined up. Maybe not important to you but false narratives can have bad effects for people who act with bad info.

  123. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Why do you lie every day Lynne? You are lying to yourself and you refuse to recant even when the evidence is right there. Rubber bullshit and Looks-Like™ Tear Gas.

  124. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    There is no need to make a narrative complicated? Complicated with what?

  125. Lynne
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    It is interesting that Detroit suburban racism is international news though. Heh. Michigan sure has a bad reputation for such things. Deserved, unfortunately.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/05/detroit-white-suburb-george-floyd-protests-trump?fbclid=IwAR3gM8CICvUgJd9mQDLfmsRUg6xwgR8V015zfd7ZAHfBpa7eZxyPiM18sIk

  126. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Questioning a strong and true narrative ought to make it stronger. No?

    Is that authoritarian impulse thing you have happening again? We have talked about it so many times.

  127. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    I’m sorry Jean. I tend to have more agreement with that young black man from Revolutionary But Ganster. You know the one who you called a stoner making things up in his basement. I know you must understand this better than RBG and MLK because you watch the news and your parents met at Harvard….But some of us are still trying to figure this out so we ask questions.

  128. Lynne
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    FF, no. there is no dispute about if he did that or not. There are people who are muddying the waters by trying to dispute what happened but unfortunately for them, there are too many witnesses among the protestors and among those who live in the area for it to be really effective. The protest was peaceful. They were fired on with tear gas and rubber bullets. This has been documented by those in the area even if you don’t think people in the video you saw were crying hard enough. The president then immediately went in for a photo op so it isn’t too much of a stretch to say that the purpose of removing the protestors was to give him an opportunity for a photo op.

  129. Lynne
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    HW, I am not lying. It is well documented. You are the liar here. As always.

  130. Lynne
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    So again. Are you or are you not ok with the president of the US firing rubber bullets and tear gas and otherwise using violence against peaceful protestors? Does it make it worse that the reason he did it was to give him an photo op?

  131. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Truth claims and implied truth claims:

    1) There is no dispute

    2) People are trying to dispute

    3)People shouldn’t be in dispute

    4) There is a dispute

    5) Lynne feels her judgments should not be disputed

    I asked questions about the extent of the forced dispersal of the crowd and you seem to think that those are not relevant questions even though we were in a conversation about the extent of the forced dispersal. What do you think I am missing? I think you Lynne fails to see that variations of 5) drive everything she does. Why though? Authoritarian impulse?

  132. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    I have to go. I am getting paid to do other things right now. I mean this with maximum condescension. You owe me a shit ton of money for all that I have done for you Lynne. Many on this blog have tried to lend you a helping hand so you could pull yourself out of this sub-middle-school way of thinking. Can we bill your parents for all that we have done for you?

  133. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Well-documented lies that have been corrected with facts but astonishingly ignorant people like you can’t let go. You can’t even find one lie I have written here.

  134. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Jean “documented” that the young black RBG member was stoner making things up in his basement.

    FF “documented” that the young black man had very wise words.

    This idea that things that are documented are true is sub kindergarten. That’s why I call her Cassandra.

    You are a disaster. Where’s my money? $1k a month for what I do for you would be a bargain.

  135. Lynne
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    HW and FF, you guys seem to have jumped off the deep end which is a pretty drastic way to avoid answering the question about if you support the president using violence against peaceful protesters (as if we couldn’t guess at your answer anyways).

  136. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    One person’s perspective on Qanon vs. antifa. I wouldn’t have used them joking around about Soros but I do think there will be evidence of Soros funding and he will be in trouble over it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAAfXyKvUj0

  137. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Peaceful protestors peaceful protestors peaceful protestors peaceful protestors peaceful protestors peaceful protestors peaceful protestors!!!!! There. Now it’s that much more true.

  138. Jean Henry
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Lynne– we need to disengage from these dudes. There’s more important work to do. They feed on our attention.

  139. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    I have already stated 2x it would have been wrong IF 1) Trump ordered 2)the tear gassing and 3) shooting of rubber bullets at 4) peaceful protestors 5) during non-curfew hours. Read. That is why started asking question regarding 1,2,3,4,5. Read. Stop assuming. Read. Stop insinuating. Read. Don’t forget to stfu while you are reading.

  140. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    OMG! HW and FF support violence!!!! EVERYBODY they like violence against innocent people like Hitler.

    You are goddamned fool and that is why I call you Cassandra.

  141. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    A year ago iRobert asked Jean if she is still beating her children. She never answered. OMG only someone still beating their children or someone who is guilty of beating them in the past would dodge that question. Notify the authorities Lynne!

    You really need to take that money you owe me and take a course in logic. Community College? After that you need to pray to God that he will give you the strength to stop being a deceitful person.

  142. Jean Henry
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    FF and HW– Very very simply, if you support Trump then you support a violent and racist proto-totalitarian. The only thing preventing him from implementing straight up fascism are the checks and balances in our system and a few conservative and military institutionalist willing to put country before party and take a stand against him.

    His own military is dissenting this action.

    This is the man you support. Please just stop trying to justify it with inane questions and lectures. You are working too hard. You supported in incompetent asshole because you believe in some bullshit conspiracy theory. He’s not righteous. He’s not the chosen but flawed leader. He’s fucking evil and he and his rabid supporters like you are tearing this country apart.

    No one else.

    Just read his tweets and STFU. The man is a menace.

  143. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Biden, Biden he’s or man if he can’t do it China can.

  144. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Nice opinion. Now you shut the fuck up about me. You keep promising to ignore me but you can’t stop talking about me.

  145. Posted June 5, 2020 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

  146. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    When I think of ‘tear gas’ I think of the gas that looks like the smoke in your pic. I do not think of ‘pepper balls’.

  147. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    So Amy can’t read but Amy can writ and attack a misleading headline to an article?

  148. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    iRobert linked an article by someone who appeared to have a good understanding and ability of distinguishing tear gas types from pepper balls. Maybe read it? I wonder how much non-tear-gas-pepper balls were used? When I see the videos I do not even notice people in discomfort. Just trying to assess the extent of the supposed violence Trump supposedly ordered against the supposed peaceful protestors. FWIW I did not not notice protestors being non peaceful although a few were obviously resisting the officers order to disperse.

    I know it’s such inane things to ponder when assessing the extent of force used. DUHHHH I’m so stupid.

  149. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    *write and attach

  150. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Ypsilanti man Jayden T. Hayden seen beating elderly patients in a Detroit nursing home on his own videos arrested. He has plead not guilty.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESW-d5CgKaI

  151. Lynne
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    JH, you are right. I still find it a bit shocking that anyone would be ok with the president using violence on peaceful protestors but here we are. There is no bottom for Trump supporters. No soul. No morals. I guess all you can do is ignore them and hope that they get treated like they would have anyone weaker than them treated.

  152. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Peaceful protestors peaceful protestors lalala!!! Fingers in the ears!

  153. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    [His father] said he called 9-11 and was taken to a mental health facility in Ann Arbor where he was diagnosed with covid-19. He was sent to the nursing home to quarantine.

  154. I know who you are
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    And what about your father, HW?

  155. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    What do you mean “what about” him and why do you ask?

  156. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Bit of a non-sequitor there.

  157. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Hm!

  158. EOS
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    I doubt David Dorn’s family think that the protesters are peaceful. Why don’t the protesters go home when the sun sets? Why don’t they leave when the looting and fires start? Why would any sane person want to defund the police at a time where there is so much violence, or at any time? Who thinks it would be better if neighborhoods hired private militias for protection?

  159. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    1930’s Germany looks like today but not how you think.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/quillacam/status/1268771039208759302/photo/1

  160. Jean Henry
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    HW— Mark has mentioned many time the history of anti-fascism as originating in Nazi Germany….

    How did you miss that?

    And the existence of a Nazi resistance group of the same name as a Trump resistance group only confirms everything we have been saying.

    You all are dense.

    And FF there is reporting now confirming the use of tear gas on citizens not some less irritating substance. You will need to listen to the news to find it.

    Really interesting how you don’t have time for the news but then everyone I look up one of your stupid theories/points, it’s gone viral on right wing media.

    HW too.

    Sheeple.

  161. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Communist group who ALLIED with the nazis against the social democrats. That is common knowledge and I posted it long ago. Your entire thought stream is broken.

  162. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 5, 2020 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    You can’t face reality. They called the national socialists “working people’s comrades”…in German. You better go get the wikipedia page corrected if you think that’s not true as well as some history books I imagine.

  163. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    Jean,

    It’s just a gaslighting tactic you use. I am on zero social media and have had no tv signal for a couple of days. I haven’t tried to figure out the signal loss because I have been too busy to watch it anyway. I spent 1 minute watching videos Mark shared and that 1 minute made me start asking questions. I found that longer video I shared and I asked more questions. I think you are addicted to opinion pieces and propaganda. I try to go straight to the sources. I like cspan and videos on the scene. It’s funny because the stuff you guys post to defend your own positions often contradict your own position after I read past the headlines.

    Your instinct for the truth is very weak, imo.

  164. Jean Henry
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    “Anti-fascism has been an element of movements holding many different political positions, including social democratic, nationalist, liberal, conservative, communist, Marxist, trade unionist, anarchist, socialist, republicanist, pacifist and centrist viewpoints.”

    You guys pick and choose historical facts. The Antifascism movement of today is leaderless and organization less. It shares a name with some historical antifascist movement. HW is being a good soldier trying to portray the protesters as instigating more violence than police and in making Anti-fascists into a terrorist threat second only to Alqaeda. FF repeats what the president tweets as does all of right wing social media land and I’m supposed to believe he came to his own conclusions.

    FF when you come up with something not easily discoverable as a trend by internet search, I will certainly let you know.

    Amazing coincidence.

  165. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    “FF repeats what the president tweets”

    I don’t have a Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram account. I never have. You are just attempting to gaslight. Regarding this case of tear gas I never came to a conclusion—Dummy. I asked people to compare the reactions of people getting tear gassed in other videos with the reactions people had to being supposedly tear gassed around Lafeyette square. I pointed out that something seemed amiss. I suspect I pick up clues more than you because I do not subscribe to those social media sites. I don’t need to subscribe to anyone’s twitter to know that that people do not usually stand in tear gas clouds calmly looking at their phones.

    Your brain is dead, Jean. Your will to manipulate is very much alive.

  166. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    “FF when you come up with something not easily discoverable as a trend by internet search, I will certainly let you know.”

    Things can trend for lots of different reasons. Here, maybe something trended because multiple people sensed something amiss and it was easy to arrive at that sense of being amiss. It’s fucking obvious people have a specific reaction to tear gas which was absent in the shared videos. It is way easier to just turn your thinker on and approach things with honesty rather than the route you choose.

  167. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think you are looking for truth though. You only seek manipulation.

  168. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    “The Antifascism movement of today is leaderless and organization less.”

    That’s already been proven wrong. Rose City Antifa has been exposed with footage of their meetings and I posted it days ago. There is a hierarchy. They have clandestine meetings. You have to undergo a process similar to joining a motorcycle club or biker gang with a protracted ‘prospect’ period. Therefore they are organized to say the least.

    Why do you insist on sticking with blatantly false assumptions? You gaslight people who tell the truth so much you have no idea that is what you are doing. It’s a subconscious urge to defend your admittedly biased interpretation of the world.

  169. Lynne
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    I think FF understands psychological terms like “gaslighting” about as well as he understans classical Greek literature.

  170. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    I did say “attempt at gaslighting” and described it as a “tactic”. I did not say Jean was successful at gaslighting.

    “Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person or a group covertly sows seeds of doubt in a targeted individual, making them question their own memory, perception, or judgment, often evoking in them cognitive dissonance and other changes including low self-esteem. “

    What part of the definition do you think does not fit Cassandra?

  171. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Peaceful protestors help out father and small child as they attempt to leave children’s hospital

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=98&v=Qu0IwLVZpc0&feature=emb_logo

  172. Lynne
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    None of it fits, FF

  173. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 6, 2020 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    That’s something A gas lighter would say…

    Jean has made similar claims before in various iterations. She claims that my judgments are derived from poor sources of information. She claims that even if I am not aware of it and even if I am not watching FOX NEWS directly the talking points filter their way through media circuitously and land in my brain causing me to be mal-imformed. There are various reasons why she might be doing it. She might just want to smear me to give the impression I am mal- informed. Or she might want to try to make me believe my supposed sources of info are shaky in an attempt to make me lose confidence in my judgments.

    None of it fits?

    Are you dumb? That’s why I call her Cassandra.

  174. Meta
    Posted June 10, 2020 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Washington Post: “More than 1,250 former Justice Dept. workers call for internal watchdog to probe Barr role in clearing demonstrators from Lafayette Square”

    More than 1,250 former Justice Department workers on Wednesday called on the agency’s internal watchdog to investigate Attorney General William P. Barr’s involvement in law enforcement’s move last week to push a crowd of largely peaceful demonstrators back from Lafayette Square using horses and gas.

    In a letter to Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, the group said it was “deeply concerned about the Department’s actions, and those of Attorney General William Barr himself, in response to the nationwide lawful gatherings to protest the systemic racism that has plagued this country throughout its history.”

    “In particular, we are disturbed by Attorney General Barr’s possible role in ordering law enforcement personnel to suppress a peaceful domestic protest in Lafayette Square on June 1, 2020, for the purpose of enabling President Trump to walk across the street from the White House and stage a photo op at St. John’s Church, a politically motivated event in which Attorney General Barr participated,” the group wrote.

    Read more:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/more-than-1250-former-justice-dept-workers-call-for-internal-watchdog-to-probe-barr-role-in-clearing-demonstrators-from-lafayette-square/2020/06/10/608827fe-aa73-11ea-9063-e69bd6520940_story.html

  175. Posted June 13, 2020 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    General Mark Milley apologizes for his role in this campaign stunt.

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