The real story isn’t that the Russians apparently have video of Trump engaged in piss play with Moscow prostitutes, but that he essentially hired the Russians to steal the election for him, offering the Ukraine in return. If true, it’s treason.

From the very beginning, I’ve thought that the Russians had something sexual on Trump. I’ve kept quiet about this suspicion until now, though, as I recognized that it wasn’t based on anything but a hunch, knowing a bit about Trump’s history with young models, and the way Putin’s security forces operate. So, not wanting to be labeled a conspiracy theorist, or muddy the waters with insane-sounding birther-like theories, I just waited quietly, knowing that I’d eventually catch wind of something. [As Obama said just a few minutes ago, “Reality has a way of catching up with you,” and I knew Trump’s time would come.] Well, today, the news I’d been waiting for finally broke. An intelligence dossier that, according to news reports, was passed from a former MI6 operative in Moscow, to an emissary of John McCain, to FBI Director Comey… if it can be believed… seems to indicate that the Russians are in possession of a video showing Donald Trump, while staying in the presidential suite of the Moscow Ritz Carlton, directing prostitutes to piss on one another for his enjoyment, soiling a bed that President and Mrs. Obama had recently slept in. Surprisingly, though, that’s not the part of the report that I found most alarming. What struck me the hardest was the revelation that Trump, in exchange for Russia’s help in taking down Clinton, had agreed to essentially allow the Russians to take the Ukraine. And, yes, I would think that’s enough to ensure that impeachment procedures get underway the very minute he takes the oath of office on January 20. Here, for those of you who are interested, is the section of the intelligence report that I’m referring to. [Don’t worry. We’ll get into the salacious sex stuff in just a minute.]

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And, here, to give you some context, is something I’d written shortly after the Republican National Convention this past summer in a post titled “To what extent is Donald Trump a surrogate of Vladimir Putin?

…Just before the Republican National Convention, the Republican party released their new platform for 2016. The New York Times called it “the most extreme Republican platform in memory.” Among other things, according to the Times, this new platform outlined positions “making no exceptions for rape or women’s health in cases of abortion; requiring the Bible to be taught in public high schools; selling coal as a ‘clean’ energy source; demanding a return of federal lands to the states; insisting that legislators use religion as a guide in lawmaking; appointing ‘family values’ judges; barring female soldiers from combat; and rejecting the need for stronger gun controls — despite the mass shootings afflicting the nation every week.” This apparently came to pass largely because Donald Trump, who would go on just a few days later to accept the party’s nomination for President, didn’t push back. With one notable exception, Trump and his team, accepted everything that was suggested without debate.

According to Talking Points Memo, “The Trump Camp was totally indifferent to the platform. So party activists were able to write one of the most conservative platforms in history. Not with Trump’s backing but because he simply didn’t care. With one big exception: Trump’s team mobilized the nominee’s traditional mix of cajoling and strong-arming on one point: changing the party platform on assistance to Ukraine against Russian military operations in eastern Ukraine.”

That’s right. They didn’t push back against any of the retrograde domestic policies, but, curiously, they insisted that proposed wording about our need to arm the Ukrainians to fight Russian and rebel forces be stricken, “contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington,” according to the Washington Post.

And this is the first thing that came to mind this morning when I read Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager’s comments concerning the recent Wikileaks release of some 20,000 DNC emails which appear to show that those overseeing the Democratic primary process were biased in favor Clinton. Telling CNN’s Jake Tapper “I don’t think it’s coincidental that these emails were released on the eve of our convention,” Robby Mook went on to say that security experts have indicated that the hack was initiated in Russia. “What’s disturbing to us is that experts are telling us Russian state actors broke into the DNC, stole these emails, and other experts are now saying that the Russians are releasing these emails for the purpose of actually of helping Donald Trump,” Mook said…

So now we have an intelligence report, which, if it can be believed, confirms that, yes, the Trump campaign altered the Republican platform on behalf of the Russians, in exchange for their sharing of hacked emails stolen from Democratic Party servers. [Trump, as you may recall, went even further after the convention by stating that, under his leadership, the United States may no longer honor it’s commitments to NATO countries.] The sex stuff, as far as I’m concerned, pales in comparison. This… again, if true… proves that our President-elect conspired with the government of a known dictator to steal an election, putting our own national interests, and those of our allies, behind his desire for personal power. If true, this would prove that our incoming President essentially bought the election, paying for it with the lives of the Ukrainians, who are presently being subjected to Russian war crimes. And, yes, I think this would be classified as treason.

As for where this report comes from, it’s apparently a long story that begins late last year, when, according to CNN, Republican Senator John McCain was told by a former British diplomat that a retired MI6 agent working in Moscow had gathered credible intelligence concerning ties between the Trump campaign and the Putin’s government. Here, with more on how it went down, is a clip from The Guardian.

…The Guardian can confirm that the documents reached the top of the FBI by December. Senator John McCain, who was informed about the existence of the documents separately by an intermediary from a western allied state, dispatched an emissary overseas to meet the source and then decided to present the material to Comey in a one-on-one meeting on 9 December, according to a source aware of the meeting. The documents, which were first reported on last year by Mother Jones, are also in the hands of officials in the White House.

McCain is not thought to have made a judgment on the reliability of the documents but was sufficiently impressed by the source’s credentials to feel obliged to pass them to the FBI.

The Senate armed services committee, which Senator McCain chairs, launched an inquiry last week into Russian cyber-attacks during the election.

McCain was reluctant to get involved, according to a colleague, for fear the issue would be dismissed as a personal grudge against Trump. He pushed instead for the creation of a special Senate committee to look into connections between campaign staff and Moscow, but the proposal was blocked by the Republican leadership…

Which brings us to the most salacious revelation in the report – the piss play in the presidential suite of the Moscow Ritz Carlton. Here’s what the report says.

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Could this be a load of bullshit? I suppose so. My gut, however, tells me that it’s not. Regardless, though, one has to wonder why we’re finding out about it now, on the eve of Trump’s big press conference, and just 10 days before he’s sworn in as our 45th President. If I had to guess, I’d say that our intelligence community has finally had enough of Trump’s negative comments about the value of their work, and this is how they’ve decided to pay him back. [I liked this Face The Nation headline from two days ago: “Former acting CIA chief Morell says Trump’s intel disparagement will have ‘significant effects’.”] For what it’s worth, though, I don’t think there are many in Washington, on either side of the aisle, who will be sad to see Trump go. Everyone in D.C., even if they can’t agree as to what extent Trump is actually an agent of Russia, knows that he’s an unstable and dangerous mess.

So, here’s the big question… How many “golden showers” will we see in the audience during the inauguration? How many people, do you think, the moment Trump puts his hand on the bible, will squeeze water bottles over their heads, shooting glistening streams of yellow liquid into the air? I’ve got to think there will be thousands of people doing it, right?

Oh, and I doubt any of this will change the opinion of Trump supporters. Even if the video were released, showing our President-elect ordering Russian prostitutes to piss on one another, they’d find a way to excuse it… The right wing blogosphere is pretty quite right now, but I expect we’ll start seeing posts like this from the likes of Laura Ingraham soon enough.

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And stay tuned for tomorrow’s post, which will be titled, “I guess I was right about the oil too.”

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207 Comments

  1. Lynne
    Posted January 10, 2017 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Yeah. I’ve been thinking for a while that the establishment Republicans are planning to impeach him or at least hold it over his head to keep him in line.

    On the meantime, here is a song for the day:

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/gslu5d/chappelle-s-show-r–kelly-s–piss-on-you–video

  2. ripped from the pages of FB
    Posted January 10, 2017 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    the Women’s March on DC may become a real pissing match… up to 100,000 thousand women. No facilities. Golden Showers. It’s just going to happen.

    It’s hard to resist. But the sexual proclivities are not the story, and thank you for pointing that out. It’s still not verified, but many of the more sober reporters seem to think this is something real. They are also subject to narrative bias, especially if rumors have been brewing for months.

    As to why now, I heard it was simply to assure that the investigation was followed through on after Obama leaves office. It’s still just pieces. We’ll see.

    Trump is calling it fake news. There really was no way that language wasn;t going to be turned around endlessly.

  3. Eel
    Posted January 10, 2017 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    Giant urine trucks seen spraying down Trump Force One.

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/11/10/watch-pres-elect-trumps-plane-gets-water-salute-way-dc

  4. Meta
    Posted January 10, 2017 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    From the national security blog Lawfare.

    We have had the document for a couple of weeks and have chosen, as have lots of other publications, not to publish it while the allegations within it remain unproven. In response to CNN’s report, however, Buzzfeed has now released the underlying document itself, which is available here.

    Whether or not its release is defensible in light of the CNN story, it is now important to emphasize several points.

    First, we have no idea if any of these allegations are true. Yes, they are explosive; they are also entirely unsubstantiated, at least to our knowledge, at this stage. For this reason, even now, we are not going to discuss the specific allegations within the document.

    Second, while unproven, the allegations are being taken quite seriously. The President and President-elect do not get briefed on material that the intelligence community does not believe to be at least of some credibility. The individual who generated them is apparently a person whose work intelligence professionals take seriously. And at a personal level, we can attest that we have had a lot of conversations with a lot of different people about the material in this document. While nobody has confirmed any of the allegations, both inside government and in the press, it is clear to us that they are the subject of serious attention.

    Third, precisely because it is being taken seriously, it is—despite being unproven and, in public anyway, undiscussed—pervasively affecting the broader discussion of Russian hacking of the election. CNN reported that Senator John McCain personally delivered a copy of the document to FBI Director James Comey on December 9th. Consider McCain’s comments about the gravity of the Russian hacking episode at last week’s Armed Services Committee hearing in light of that fact. Likewise, consider Senator Ron Wyden’s questioning of Comey at today’s Senate Intelligence Committee hearing, in which Wyden pushed the FBI Director to release a declassified assessment before January 20th regarding contact between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. (Comey refused to comment on an ongoing investigation.)

    So while people are being delicate about discussing wholly unproven allegations, the document is at the front of everyone’s minds as they ponder the question: Why is Trump so insistent about vindicating Russia from the hacking charges that everyone else seems to accept?

    Fourth, it is significant that the document contains highly specific allegations, many of which are the kind of facts it should be possible to prove or disprove. This is a document about meetings that either took place or did not take place, stays in hotels that either happened or didn’t, travel that either happened or did not happen. It should be possible to know whether at least some of these allegations are true or false.

    Finally, fifth, it is important to emphasize that this is not a case of the intelligence community leaking sensitive information about an investigative subject out of revenge or any other improper motive. This type of information, referencing sensitive sources and methods and the identities of U.S. persons, is typically treated by the intelligence community with the utmost care. And this material, in fact, does not come from the intelligence community; it comes, rather, from private intelligence documents put together by a company. It is actually not even classified.

    All of which is to say to everyone: slow down, and take a deep breath. We shouldn’t assume either that this is simply a “fake news” episode directed at discrediting Trump or that the dam has now broken and the truth is coming out at last. We don’t know what the reality is here, and the better part of valor is not to get ahead ahead of the facts—a matter on which, incidentally, the press deserves a lot of credit.

    Read more:
    https://lawfareblog.com/about-explosive-trump-story-take-deep-breath

  5. Kerri Pepperman
    Posted January 10, 2017 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    MSNBC wasn’t touching it too much around the speech, but they are ALL over it now.

    They also said that the intelligence community is pissed (hahahaa) and that could be why this is breaking now.

  6. charlieRomeo
    Posted January 10, 2017 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    I enjoy watching the CIA and Trump tearing each other up in this fight. I hope they destroy each other. But in the end the CIA will probably end up assassinating Trump like JFK.

  7. Lynne
    Posted January 10, 2017 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Re:”the Women’s March on DC may become a real pissing match… up to 100,000 thousand women. No facilities. Golden Showers. It’s just going to happen.”

    I didnt think about this! Hopefully the museums on the mall will be open.

  8. dennis
    Posted January 10, 2017 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    if this is true, it’s the first cool thing about trump i’ve heard.

    everyone should try piss play at least once in their lives. it can be very erotic. americans are still less open sexually than the rest of the world.

    i find this entire post distasteful because it makes fun of a sexual kink. would you make fun of trump if he liked pegging or liked to give facials or liked bdsm?

    you say How many people, do you think, the moment Trump puts his hand on the bible, will squeeze water bottles, shooting glistening streams of yellow liquid into the air? if hillary had been elected and there was a mass demonstration about menstruation, it would be condemned by the left. to postulate making fun of golden showers makes you look like you have the maturity of a thirteen year old boy.

  9. Posted January 10, 2017 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    I was going to joke, at the end of the post, that Trump got a better send-off from the CIA than Kennedy, but then I decided that it might just make me look like more of a conspiracy theorist. But, yeah, if it’s true that our intelligence community is responsible for this somehow, I guess Trump should be thankful, as I’m sure they could have done worse. They could have, for instance, released the videotape.

  10. Posted January 10, 2017 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry if I inadvertently insulted your kink. That wasn’t my objective. For what it’s worth, I suspect I would have commented regardless of the act. So I wouldn’t take it personally. And, as someone pointed out, the whole point of this post was that the sex wasn’t the most interesting thing in the report.

  11. Posted January 11, 2017 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    While we’re on the subject of golden showers, here’s an interesting story. When I lived in LA, I was friends with a record industry guy who once told me about an exec at his company that, whenever he came to town, would hire a prostitute to lay in the tub of his hotel room while he pissed on her. That’s how he’d start his trip. I’ll take your word for it when you say it’s “erotic.” In that instance, though, it just sounds like misogyny.

  12. Morbid Larson
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Trump seemed to have truly underestimated how brutal the office is. He will either have a heart attack trying to keep up, or will shut himself in the White House away from all media and people.

  13. Posted January 11, 2017 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    The Lawfare piece is interesting. Maybe it wasn’t the intelligence community coming after Trump, as I’d suggested. Maybe they do see intelligence as sacrosanct. But, then again, Comey did announce that he was reopening the FBI investigation into Clinton, in violation of accepted protocol. So maybe things are changing. I’m just fascinated by the timing, and the possibility that someone somewhere made the decision that, for the good of the nation, they had no choice but the override the will of the people. But, yeah, it could just be that Buzzfeed wanted to get a shit load of hits.

  14. Posted January 11, 2017 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    I think, like OJ, he’s probably too much of a narcissist to commit suicide, but my first thought was that he might end it all rather than face what’s coming.

  15. Morbid Larson
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    I also see nothing at all wrong with this type of sexual behavior assuming consent. While Trump’s connections with Russia and Russian potential to be able to blackmail Mr. Trump are certainly questionable, Trump character needs to be judged based all of the other horrible things he says and does.

    There is no reason to further stigmatize people who do things that others do not understand.

  16. Taco Farts
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    To double down on the conspiracy theories, yes: something terrible will happen to him, and it will be blamed on dems, and then things will actually get worse than you thought they could get with Trump.

  17. Morbid Larson
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    I predict four years of scandals and impeachment proceedings at some point.

  18. Joe M.
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    You know if that information is verified or actually leaks – the pissing part – he won’t even care. He’ll just spin it as a positive that he can order beautiful women to do whatever he wants to please him.

    It’s not even a bad story. If it involved him receiving the golden shower, hello shitstorm. Him making a bunch of prostitutes trash each other? Power play by him. He doesn’t care.

  19. Misha
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    Of note is that what we find objectionable is his hiring of sex workers to urinate on a hotel bed, rather than that he hired people to desecrate a bed because it had been slept on by a black woman and her husband.

  20. Kim
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    I agree that the pissing isn’t the story. I also agree that no one will care. I can still remember the Bush administration when we discovered that they’d lied shout yellow cake uranium in order to justify war with Iraq.

  21. Brad Hodgins
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    I love how you’re afraid of being labeled a conspiracy theorist, even though so many of the theories prove to be legitimate. What I don’t love, is that the impeachment of Fuckface VonClownstick will lead to Imperial Lord Pence. Was this all some shell game played by the Republican Party to get their real boy on the throne? I don’t think he would’ve had a chance of being elected President due to his lack of charisma and the stench of evil that exudes from his every pore. The next 4 years are going to be a shitshow either way, so gear up for the long haul and stay sharp. Our country is at a crossroads and the future of our republic is in grave danger.

  22. Anonymous
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    It’s not only the golden showers. There’s a reference on page 27 to sex parties in St Petersburg.

  23. Oliva
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    “you say ‘How many people, do you think, the moment Trump puts his hand on the bible, will squeeze water bottles, shooting glistening streams of yellow liquid into the air?’ if hillary had been elected and there was a mass demonstration about menstruation, it would be condemned by the left.”

    Help. This is such a troubling comment. To equate menstruation with a man’s request to have prostitutes piss on a bed because the president and his wife had slept in it? Clinton is undoubtedly past menopause, right? which makes this suggestion not even fit, even if it weren’t so glaringly odd and misogynistic.

  24. Jean Henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    dennis seems to have forgotten that sex is funny. I know a lot of people with kinks and they can joke about it. In fact they do all the time. I undertsand there’s a line between laughing at oneself and being laughed at, but it’s Trump, a public bully who routinely makes fun of all sorts of other people, so I don’t care. At all. Fair game. I suggest dennis be a little less uptight about sex and laughing about sex.

    The pissing is not the story, but it will be the story, because people will make it the story. Because they are curious, and it’s funny and in the ways Joe, Olivia and Mark have described, also disturbing. I hope the media at least tries, as Mark has done, to redirect the conversation to the accused activities that were criminal.

    Meanwhile, this will die unless a tie to the campaign can be established and the docs verified, which seems almost impossible.https://lawfareblog.com/about-explosive-trump-story-take-deep-breath

    But there will be more I’m sure. This is not the first or last Trump scandal.

    Obama had none. (just a reminder)

  25. Lynne
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    I was thinking the same thing, Olivia

    The pissing isnt the real problem but it is a valid reason to mock him. Mostly because the things that are really wrong with him arent funny. I also think he should be mocked for being such a horrible human being that he needs to pay women to sleep with him, including his wives.

  26. Jean Henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Olivia– thank you for the phrase ‘glaringly odd and misogynistic.’ It describes much of the commentary by some posters here. I intend to invoke it regularly. Incongruous analogies as a launching pad for misogynistic or racist anecdotes have become almost standard here.

  27. Jean Henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Some gathering of the threads here. I can think of a few more, including the RNC platform. And the loans provided by Russia to Trump post bankruptcy.

    1. in light of the fact that we’re supposed to be skeptical about the latest #Trump allegations, I want to tell you a story. 2. A long time ago, there was a man named Paul Manafort. Paul Manafort was a GOP operative who exported his political expertise. 3. He and Roger Stone ran what was known in DC as The Torturer’s Lobby. They worked with warlords and despots.4. Paul Manafort even worked closely with Russian oligarchs and kleptocrats with ties to V. Putin. 5. Manafort was one of the operatives who worked in Ukraine to elect a pro-Putin government. This is a verifiable fact. 6. At one point, Manafort went missing for 3 weeks. Roger Stone joked that he had been kidnapped by the Russians. This is about 2010
    7. According to some members of the intelligence community, around the same time, Russia began cultivating Donald Trump as an intel asset 8. Timing, I’m sure, is totally coincidental. Just giving you a sense of where we’re at in the history. 9. In 2011, Donald Trump starts the birther movement. Remember that whole thing? 10. In 2012, Donald Trump flirts with a run for President, but he doesn’t run. 11. At some point, Hillary Rodham Clinton runs afoul of Vladimir Putin. She and Obama both take aggressive stance toward him. 12. Then in 2016, Donald J Trump declares his Presidency. He starts as a long-shot managed by Corey Lewandowski. 13. As Trump grows in prominence, he fires Lewandowski and hires…Paul Manafort. Whose last job was in Ukraine. On behalf of Putin. 14. Paul Manafort, who owned a lobbying firm with Trump confidant Roger Stone. 15. Paul Manafort, who had been kidnapped (presumably) by Russians at one point but survived unharmed. 16. Trump’s positions on Russia softened under Manafort (re Ukraine specifically). Manafort’s in charge over summer. 17. It comes out that Manafort received 12 millions dollars in an off-books ledger from the pro-Putin party in Ukraine. 18. Wait back up. Before this comes out, the DNC emails are hacked. Wilkileaks releases the hacked emails. 19. Why did Assange do this if it was an intel op by Russia? Possibly for the promise of asylum, but that’s speculation on my part. 20. Maybe because he hates Clinton and Obama, but, again, speculating. 21. Regardless, these leaks hurt one party and helped the other. 22. So now Manafort resigns after the Ukraine thing comes out. Trump hires Steve Bannon, ANOTHER one of Stone’s friends. 23. Manafort probably keeps advising Trump. Regardless he lives in Trump Tower, so they see each other periodically. 24. Incidentally Roger Stone officially resigned in December 2015. So now Stone and Manafort are unofficial advisors, strictly speaking. 25. Two of Trump’s new policy guys are Michael Flynn and Carter Page. Both of whom have ties to Putin and Russia. 26. Galas with Putin, RT dinners, speaking engagements, etc. So Manafort, Flynn, and Page. Remember the names for a bit. 27. Now Wikileaks starts leaking John Podesta’s emails. Mostly harmless stuff, but Hillary Clinton and emails is just a bad look.28. We know they were hacked, we suspect by a state agent, and if you’ve been paying attention, the answer’s pretty clear. 29. So the election happens and Trump wins. Then the intelligence community confirms what most of us knew or suspected. 30. That Putin had launched an intel op specifically to hurt Clinton. Then it came out that he wanted Trump to win. 31. That he was behind the DNC attacks, that he was behind the Podesta hacks, all Putin from the get-go. 32. Curiously PEOTUS refuses to accept the findings of the intel community. Claims it coulda been anybody! Defends Assange. Curious. 33. In response, POTUS Obama kicks out 35 alleged Russian spies posing as diplomats. Pretty big move. 34. The intel community seems pretty certain as to the facts at this point, and Obama is doing stuff he wouldn’t do otherwise. 35. So today this new trove of background comes out. BUT IT’S UNVERIFIED. Yeah, so what? 36. What do the documents say? That about 6 years ago (around when Trump started birtherism), they began cultivating him. 37. That they conspired to get leverage over him. That they preferred him to HRC. 38. That they had Russian spies in the US posing as go-betweens. 39. That there was high-level cooperation with Trump’s campaign. Via Paul Manafort and Carter Page. Remember them? 0. So we’re supposed to SUPER SKEPTICAL about all of this. I mean, I guess so? 41. If you didn’t know who Paul Manafort was, or what he did, or who Carter Page was, etc. 42. If you didn’t find it odd that Trump’s SecState-Elect won the Order of Friendship from Vladimir Putin. 43. If you ignored all of these things, I guess it’s healthy to be skeptical about this. 44. I’m not an intelligence professional; I have the benefit of being able to make unqualified claims. 45. I dunno when it started or what the end game was, but Russia wanted Trump and cultivated him for years.46. Paul Manafort offered Trump the Presidency if he played ball with Putin. That’s what Flynn and Carter Page were for. 47. Manafort and Page were the go-betweens. The 35 expelled diplomats were in on it. The IC is clear on exactly how it happened. 48. You can say this is all circumstantial, that Manafort and Putin and Trump and Stone and Page and Flynn all met in a locker room one day. 49. But to me this has been clear as day since Manafort signed up. He was working for Putin on Trump’s behalf. Or vice versa. 50. He quit when he became toxic. He didn’t GO anywhere. 51. So here we are, a week out from inaugurating a compromised asset of Russian intelligence President of the United States. 52. I don’t have some cool conclusion to the story because it’s a scary story without a good ending. This is the new reality.
    source: https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/818998378285580292

  28. Jean Henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    If only most headlines were like this:
    https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/10/leaked-memos-allege-trumps-lawyer-helped-orchestrate-russian-hacking/

  29. John Galt
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    The need to piss on women is as natural as menstruation, and you cannot prove otherwise.

  30. John Galt
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    And it’s not like he had them shit on each other, or eat one another’s shit. Urine, as I understand it, is non-toxic, sterile, even medicinal.

  31. Jean Henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    John Galt: genius

  32. Lynne
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    God damn, Jean! That post is unreadable. I freaking hate it when people try to use twitter for real stuff. They made it 140 characters on purpose so that no one has to have a thought that is longer. It was designed for morons. Anyways, I have fixed it :)

    Edited post below:
    ———————————————————————————————–
    Some gathering of the threads here. I can think of a few more, including the RNC platform. And the loans provided by Russia to Trump post bankruptcy.

    1. in light of the fact that we’re supposed to be skeptical about the latest #Trump allegations, I want to tell you a story.

    2. A long time ago, there was a man named Paul Manafort. Paul Manafort was a GOP operative who exported his political expertise.

    3. He and Roger Stone ran what was known in DC as The Torturer’s Lobby. They worked with warlords and despots.

    4. Paul Manafort even worked closely with Russian oligarchs and kleptocrats with ties to V. Putin.

    5. Manafort was one of the operatives who worked in Ukraine to elect a pro-Putin government. This is a verifiable fact.

    6. At one point, Manafort went missing for 3 weeks. Roger Stone joked that he had been kidnapped by the Russians. This is about 2010

    7. According to some members of the intelligence community, around the same time, Russia began cultivating Donald Trump as an intel asset

    8. Timing, I’m sure, is totally coincidental. Just giving you a sense of where we’re at in the history.

    9. In 2011, Donald Trump starts the birther movement. Remember that whole thing?

    10. In 2012, Donald Trump flirts with a run for President, but he doesn’t run.

    11. At some point, Hillary Rodham Clinton runs afoul of Vladimir Putin. She and Obama both take aggressive stance toward him.

    12. Then in 2016, Donald J Trump declares his Presidency. He starts as a long-shot managed by Corey Lewandowski.

    13. As Trump grows in prominence, he fires Lewandowski and hires…Paul Manafort. Whose last job was in Ukraine. On behalf of Putin.

    14. Paul Manafort, who owned a lobbying firm with Trump confidant Roger Stone.

    15. Paul Manafort, who had been kidnapped (presumably) by Russians at one point but survived unharmed.

    16. Trump’s positions on Russia softened under Manafort (re Ukraine specifically). Manafort’s in charge over summer.

    17. It comes out that Manafort received 12 millions dollars in an off-books ledger from the pro-Putin party in Ukraine.

    18. Wait back up. Before this comes out, the DNC emails are hacked. Wilkileaks releases the hacked emails.

    19. Why did Assange do this if it was an intel op by Russia? Possibly for the promise of asylum, but that’s speculation on my part.

    20. Maybe because he hates Clinton and Obama, but, again, speculating. 21. Regardless, these leaks hurt one party and helped the other.

    22. So now Manafort resigns after the Ukraine thing comes out. Trump hires Steve Bannon, ANOTHER one of Stone’s friends.

    23. Manafort probably keeps advising Trump. Regardless he lives in Trump Tower, so they see each other periodically.

    24. Incidentally Roger Stone officially resigned in December 2015. So now Stone and Manafort are unofficial advisors, strictly speaking.

    25. Two of Trump’s new policy guys are Michael Flynn and Carter Page. Both of whom have ties to Putin and Russia.

    26. Galas with Putin, RT dinners, speaking engagements, etc. So Manafort, Flynn, and Page. Remember the names for a bit.

    27. Now Wikileaks starts leaking John Podesta’s emails. Mostly harmless stuff, but Hillary Clinton and emails is just a bad look.

    28. We know they were hacked, we suspect by a state agent, and if you’ve been paying attention, the answer’s pretty clear.

    29. So the election happens and Trump wins. Then the intelligence community confirms what most of us knew or suspected.

    30. That Putin had launched an intel op specifically to hurt Clinton. Then it came out that he wanted Trump to win.

    31. That he was behind the DNC attacks, that he was behind the Podesta hacks, all Putin from the get-go.

    32. Curiously PEOTUS refuses to accept the findings of the intel community. Claims it coulda been anybody! Defends Assange. Curious.

    33. In response, POTUS Obama kicks out 35 alleged Russian spies posing as diplomats. Pretty big move.

    34. The intel community seems pretty certain as to the facts at this point, and Obama is doing stuff he wouldn’t do otherwise.

    35. So today this new trove of background comes out. BUT IT’S UNVERIFIED. Yeah, so what?

    36. What do the documents say? That about 6 years ago (around when Trump started birtherism), they began cultivating him.

    37. That they conspired to get leverage over him. That they preferred him to HRC.

    38. That they had Russian spies in the US posing as go-betweens.

    39. That there was high-level cooperation with Trump’s campaign. Via Paul Manafort and Carter Page. Remember them?

    40. So we’re supposed to SUPER SKEPTICAL about all of this. I mean, I guess so?

    41. If you didn’t know who Paul Manafort was, or what he did, or who Carter Page was, etc.

    42. If you didn’t find it odd that Trump’s SecState-Elect won the Order of Friendship from Vladimir Putin.

    43. If you ignored all of these things, I guess it’s healthy to be skeptical about this.

    44. I’m not an intelligence professional; I have the benefit of being able to make unqualified claims.

    45. I dunno when it started or what the end game was, but Russia wanted Trump and cultivated him for years.

    46. Paul Manafort offered Trump the Presidency if he played ball with Putin. That’s what Flynn and Carter Page were for.

    47. Manafort and Page were the go-betweens. The 35 expelled diplomats were in on it. The IC is clear on exactly how it happened.

    48. You can say this is all circumstantial, that Manafort and Putin and Trump and Stone and Page and Flynn all met in a locker room one day.

    49. But to me this has been clear as day since Manafort signed up. He was working for Putin on Trump’s behalf. Or vice versa.

    50. He quit when he became toxic. He didn’t GO anywhere.

    51. So here we are, a week out from inaugurating a compromised asset of Russian intelligence President of the United States.

    52. I don’t have some cool conclusion to the story because it’s a scary story without a good ending. This is the new reality.

    source: https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/818998378285580292

  33. Janette Rook
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    I keep thinking of that Dave Chapelle episode about R Kelly.

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/gslu5d/chappelle-s-show-r–kelly-s–piss-on-you–video

  34. Eel
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Urine has “curative” powers.

    http://www.heartlandhealing.com/pages/archive/urine_therapy/index.html

    Trump is a healer!

  35. dot dot dash
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    What are the odds that he cancels today’s press conference?

  36. site admin
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    The answer to your question is “yes”. The Trump press conference is about to begin.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-cites-kremlin-statement-to-deny-reports-of-russia-ties-asks-if-we-are-living-in-nazi-germany/2017/01/11/a710f2b4-d777-11e6-b8b2-cb5164beba6b_story.html

  37. M
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Pense’s comments regarding the press are scary. It sounds like they’re going to use this as an excuse to crack down on journalists.

  38. M
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Trump is going to go after CNN and Buzzfeed big time.

  39. M
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    The 20th will be an “elegant” day, and the bands will be terrific!

  40. M
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    He says the piss story can’t be true as he’s a germophobe.

    Well, I’m convinced.

  41. M
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Trump says no one cares about his tax returns.

  42. jean henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/11/us/politics/100000004864742.mobile.html?_r=0

  43. Meta
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    From Jean’s factcheck link:

    “Mr. Trump said most Americans don’t care that he hasn’t released his tax returns.”

    This is false, polls show, though there is a partisan divide on the subject.

    A Pew Research Center poll this month showed that 60 percent of Americans think Mr. Trump should release his returns; only 33 percent said he doesn’t have a responsibility to do so. The poll, consistent with earlier surveys, found a partisan split: Nearly four in five Democrats said Mr. Trump should release his returns, but just 38 percent of Republicans did so.

    So far, however, Mr. Trump has stuck to his guns, and the longer he delays, the greater the likelihood the public will move on, though all recent presidents have released their tax returns as a matter of course.

    — Nelson D. Schwartz

  44. Mr. X
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Let me see if I’ve got this right. The guy who told us that Obama was born in Kenya is upset about fake news?

  45. anonymous
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    ‘You Are Fake News!’: Trump and CNN’s Jim Acosta Get Into Shouting Match at Presser

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/you-are-fake-news-trump-and-cnns-jim-acosta-get-into-shouting-match-at-presser/

  46. Cassandra
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    @ Brad Hodgins

    “Our country is at a crossroads and the future of our republic is in grave danger.”

    I absolutely agree. At this point, everything else (including the alleged sex scandals) is just a sideshow.

    I watched today’s press conference and watched in horror as the man who is set to occupy the White House in just over a week demonstrated outright contempt for the rule of law … while attacking and threatening the press. If he’s doing that now … how much worse will it be if he actually gains the power of the presidency?

    The question is: What are we going to do about it?

  47. site admin
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    This is incredible.

    From ‏@PeterAlexander of NBC News:

    “NEW: The law firm representing Trump during today’s news conference won Russia Law Firm of the Year award in 2016. @NBCNews”

    https://twitter.com/peteralexander/status/819243344429772801

  48. DI
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    If this is all false, then the president-elect deserves to have his name cleared. If it’s true though – this would be the biggest act of treason since Benedict Arnold, and the most egregious thing done in a campaign since Nixon (who leaned on the South Vietnamese to stall peace talks to hurt his opponent Hubert Humphrey).

  49. Kat
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Where’s all the Trumpies at? How is that EOS and Hyperbolic Overlord, or whatever his name is, aren’t posting on this thread?

  50. Morbid Larson
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    There is no way that Trump could not have known that the Russians were attempting to help him get elected. I realize that there are many people who are comfortable with this.

  51. Jcp2
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/films/huey-long

  52. Jean Henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    “There is a darker possibility, however—namely that the dossier was leaked to muddy the waters, perhaps even to distract from even more troubling information about Trump’s ties to the Kremlin.
    Russian intelligence calls this provokatsiya—provocation—and it’s as commonplace as kompromat in their ranks. This wouldn’t be the first time that Kremlin spies leaked secret information, partly true, to throw spies and journalists off the real trail. “It would be what I’d do,” explained a former KGB senior officer whom I’ve known for years. Possessing long experience with provocation against Western governments, my friend added how Russian spies would approach this: “I would certainly let the media know some of what we have on Trump, to confuse reporters, and also to let the new president know we can take him down at any time, so he better do what Moscow wants.”

    The author is “a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he’s also been a Navy officer and a War College professor.”
    http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-press-conference-prague-michael-cohen/

    The Russians really know how to play dirty pool.

  53. EOS
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Sorry to disappoint Kat, but I have never been a Trumpie. Merely expressed a greater dislike for Clinton.

    I’m watching everybody on this blog get duped with this latest fake news. Time for Jean and Lynne to start those community meetings teaching critical thinking skills.

  54. Jean Henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    EOS– I think I’ve made it clear here that I understand this is not verified information. Multiple links posted with details about what is known and not known. If it were just this story alone, you could call it fake news. But there are far too many other threads connecting Trump and crew to Russia in verified ways. We also now know that there are multiple interbureau investigations of Trump ties to Russia, including financial. The information about the dossier and more was shared with the POTUS and PEOTUS. So Intel thinks there may be some validity. (Not that they haven’t been way off before) So we wait and see. And we talk about it culturally, so the investigation will go on. So we can find the truth. Maybe. Eventually.

    I think I remember you insisting that the DNC hacks being tied to Russia were also fake news. Do you still hold that position? Or have you been un-duped?

  55. ytown
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Kat,
    We wait until facts are presented, before we express our opinion. The facts will come out, then we can have a discussion. Try it sometime.

  56. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Awww, thanks for thinking of me, Kat. I’m pretty sure I’m not a Trumpie. I’m in the same boat as EOS on that: I voted against Clinton. For sure there are things I appreciate about Donald Trump: he exposed the corrupt political system in the debates, he is serious about bringing jobs back (already starting to happen) and he doesn’t hang out on sex slave islands(!) What else? The establishment is terrified of him (see Bush and Clinton fams align.) He has expressed a desire for peace that I hope he can cultivate in reality.

    I am worried about his seeming devotion to Israel. He is cheesy with the hair and orange face. Don’t know what that is about haha! A lot of this other stuff is overblown. The Russian hacking claim and this new story reeks of desperation by a system that knows it fucked up big time by miscalculating what it would take to beat him. The intelligence reports are lacking. Lots of experts have said they have nothing of substance.

    I’m about done posting here. I’ve spent more time than I like responding to people who are more into slinging mud than seriously discussing issues. Hopefully certain individuals appreciated my little run on this blog. No hard feelings. Have fun!

  57. EOS
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Jean,

    There’s a search option on this site that allows you to quickly find comments that were previously posted. I never said that the DNC hacks being tied to Russia were fake news. What I said was. “There’s still no hard evidence that Russia was directly involved, merely assessments of a politically motivated intelligence system carrying out the wishes of the outgoing president.” And Assange has repeatedly said that he did not get the information from anyone connected with the Russian government. The DNC emails were not fake news. They were actual emails and this has been confirmed.

    Please don’t follow Peter’s lead and make posts about what I previously wrote that do not accurately reflect what I previously wrote.

  58. EOS
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    You’ll be missed Hyborian. You were a welcome respite from the continuous ad hominem attacks.

  59. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, EOS. That is very kind.

  60. Jean Henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    EOS– If you agree to stop the thinly veiled ad hominem attacks (‘critical thinking skills’) you supposedly hate and ascribing beliefs to me that I did not express (‘duped’), then you have a deal.

  61. Jean Henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Count on Dan Savage to debunk Trump’s ‘germaphobe’ alibi: http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/01/11/24795438/savage-love-letter-of-the-day-a-germ-phobe-couldnt-be-into-piss-right

  62. Jean Henry
    Posted January 11, 2017 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    4 years ago…
    https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/1266547736717475

  63. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/672669/bbc-claims-second-source-backs-trump-dossier

  64. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    More bullshit (ok half truths) by Greenwald. This is what we’ll be hearing from the alt-left. Greenwald was wrong about Russian involvement so he’s just digging in deeper. There’s a lot very clearly wrong with this piece. Since it’s in the piece itself, most of you can figure out. The ones who don;t, never will. https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/

  65. kjc
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    “He has expressed a desire for peace that I hope he can cultivate in reality.”

    that’s some take. i won’t miss you.

    can we stop with the alt-left stuff already? these constant fucking labels ugh.

  66. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    yep KJC, you never use labels in your thinking or commentary…. Alt-left is accurate and Greenwald one of their heroes. And there is ample evidence of that in the endless repeated and mostly questionable talking points issued from that place on the political spectrum and especially in the places where it aligns with alt right. Do you want the label to go away because you are still pretending Bernie Bros don’t exist? Evidence be damned, right?

  67. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Call me crazy, but I don;t really think it was Hillary who divided the left. So shove that unity bullshit. Those righteous meming bros threw progress under the bus.

  68. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Thanks for proving my point, kj (mudslinging, not serious discussion: “I won’t miss you”) The ‘constant labels’ comment ironically supports me further.

    Just one direct statement that supports that quote of mine. For more force your fingertips to type the words ‘trump wants peace’ in the youtube search engine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbkEjp6FDFQ

  69. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    What makes you think he’s telling the truth ever?
    There is nothing easier to say than I want peace. He also promised to end the war in the middle east ‘easily’ by bombing the shit out of them.

  70. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    you can google it Hyborian. Links are not proof. He said it in debate and multiple times in stump speeches. I’m not doing your research for you.

  71. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Bomb the shit out of *ISIS*. Clinton knowingly took money from two countries she knew were clandestinely supplying arms to ISIS: Saudi Arabia and Qatar. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774 Soon after taking the money arms flowed to Saudi Arabia.

  72. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    You redirected. Trump is not a peace candidate. That’s my point. I did not say Clinton was one.

  73. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Hopefully stopping ISIS would bring some peace to a region of the world devastated in part due to heroine Hillary. It’s damage control.

  74. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Watch out for a false flag before or soon after the inauguration. Obama has sent the largest contingent of troops and weapons to the Russian border since the Cold War in his final weeks.

  75. Lynne
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    HW, bombing the shit out of a place is maybe not the sort of peace we want.

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Look at what Hillary and Obama (and Bush) have done to create the need to use weapons against terrorists. It’s total hypocrisy. I wish we were not in this mess at all and Trump has said the same thing.

  77. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Taking bribes from one of the worst human rights abusers (Saudi Arabia) who she knew was supplying arms to terrorists. Talk about high treason…holy shit!

  78. Fake Ass Bullshitter
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Obama dropped a bomb every 20 minutes for 8 years. You’re right, that’s not the sort of peace we want.

  79. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    “Obama dropped a bomb every 20 minutes for 8 years. You’re right, that’s not the sort of peace we want.”

    Like

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    “You redirected. Trump is not a peace candidate. That’s my point. I did not say Clinton was one.”

    What I said is Trump expressed a desire for peace which I backed up with video evidence so you misdirected. He also expressed a desire for peace with Russia. If you don’t like it that is too bad.

  81. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    I have no problem discussing Trump’s minus column. I don’t like talk of torturing human beings whether they are considered to be terrorists or not. That is something I thought long and hard about. Hillary’s cons outweighed Trump’s. That’s what it boiled down to.

  82. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Trump also spoke against military interventionism in general which ties into the situation we are in today caused by previous administrations. Hopefully that is not a GWB-type statement and we can truly extricate ourselves from Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/etc. type shit.

    He criticized the bloated collection of American bases around the world. I appreciate that. How do we think we can afford it and do we really need all those bases? He said either these countries need to chip in or we need to scale back. I would say scale back no matter what but it is a step in the right direction.

  83. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    That’s what I think of as serious discussion. If you think it is being like “Well you’re just a blah blah blah” then have fun doing that.

  84. jean henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Clinton has expressed desire for peace too. Hyborian you keep saying nothing relevant. No one cares why you voted for Truno over Hillary. Why would we care now? He’s patently obviously not a president who will likely lead us to peace and neither was Clinton. Having no basic diplomatic skills and a hair trigger temper and compulsion to retaliate is kind of a deficit in the peace making department. No one believe anything Trump says, not even hiscsupporters. His words are meaningless. Look at his actions. He’s our president in 8 days, so let’s hold him accountable. Just as I would have Hillary had she won and as I have Obama. Please stop trying to defend him and do your job as an American and vet him.

  85. Lynne
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    That is the thing about Trump that allows him to appeal to those who aren’t prone to thinking critically. Yes, he has said he wants to reduce military spending by closing bases and getting NATO countries to pay us. He has also stated that he wants to increase military spending in order to build a strong military. It is amazing how many of his supporters hear what they want to hear even as he contradicts himself. If he actually reduces our defense budget, I will be quite happy but knowing what I know about how embedded with defense contractors the GOP is, I am not holding my breath.

    His approval rating is about the lowest we’ve had for an incoming president. I just hope that those who disapprove of him and who didn’t vote or voted third party are rethinking that decision and that it will affect their behavior in 2018

  86. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Lynne, all I can say about that is spending would no doubt increase under Clinton too and hopefully it is the walk softly and carry a big stick philosophy. I think it should be clear I do think critically. You should be the last one to admonish anyone about that considering your post history. Anyone can compare the validity of my posts vs. yours during my tenure here. How many times did I have to shut my ass up due to a point you made? Can’t think of one. You on the other hand…

    Jean, that’s exactly what I mean about slinging mud or flinging shit or whatever you want to call it. “No one cares what you think…blah blah blah.” Have fun with that. I’m out of this little corner of the web.

  87. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Whoo!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=938BgL_KZP8

  88. Lynne
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think you even have the critical thinking skills to form anything close to an accurate judgement on mine. You are, in my mind, a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. It doesn’t hurt my feelings when you say that you think my thinking skills are lacking because I don’t think you have the skills necessary to form a good opinion on the subject.

  89. jean henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian– do you understand why I would say no one cares why you voted now? Not as personal attack but because the election is over. You don’t need to campaign for Trump any more. That was the point of my post. You need to take things less personally.

  90. M
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Glenn Greenwald makes me hate myself.
    [https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/]

    IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

    This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

    Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

    The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. There are a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combatting those threats: from bipartisan congressional coalitions and constitutional legal challenges to citizen uprisings and sustained and aggressive civil disobedience. All of those strategies have periodically proven themselves effective in times of political crisis or authoritarian overreach.

    But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

    Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?

    All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it.

  91. Lynne
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    You don’t find it just a little bit ironic that *Glen Greenwald* would have an objection to publishing government documents without verifying them first?

    I mean, on the one hand, I agree with him here. On the other hand, it seems turnabout is fair play and maybe now some people on the right are getting a taste of their own medicine. Ugh. yes, of course the left should operate with a higher level of integrity than the Trumpian right but man, there is a part of me that is on board with lying. A terrible evil part to be sure. I guess I have something in common with the right after all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CnayKa3EKs

  92. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    That’s exactly what he wants. Please note always what Greenwald leaves out of his arguments. He’s in a pickle because he denied for ages tat the Russians leaked the DNC reports and that THAT whole thing was a CIA/Clinton alliance plot. And that the press did not have confirmation. Then they got confirmation. And the FBI, who clearly favored Trump, corroborated the CIA. And there were multiple other threads tying Trump and co to Russia. Did Greenwald who always calls for retractions from the press, issue a retraction? No he did not. So now he has doubled down.

    Releasing information so that an investigation goes on past the inauguration is hardly the dirtiest pool the CIA plays. Greenwald will consistently ignore the plausible answer for the nefarious and complicated one.

    I posted the Greenwald link earlier, and frankly thought, Mark, that you would see through it.
    Maybe you did.

    Here is a more plausible explanation of why we need to be skeptical of the details of the dossier, while still keeping a close eye on the overall picture, and what connections and complications have been verified. (Also linking a second time for emphasis; this writier is more qualified to speak than Greenwald on what intel (US and Russian) do and do not do in common practice. http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-press-conference-prague-michael-cohen/

  93. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    The CIA and FBI are obligated to investigate corruption in our government and between our government representatives and foreign governments. Would Greenwald have that function eliminated? Should Congress be doing these investigations instead? Would they be less politically compromised? If not the FBI and CIA then who??? Is releasing the dossier surprising? What was the function of the act? To keep the issue from being buried in the new admin. To ensure the truth was revealed, not create fake news. Fake news outlets express certainty. The Intel community has done nothing of the sort. Greenwald is so patently full of shit, he makes my eyes water.

    The FBI and CIA are a necessary check and balance on govt corruption, even their own. They are not perfect, but there is no substitute. Greenwald is just an asshole. (That’s my fine-toothed critical ass-essment

  94. Lynne
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    If not the FBI and CIA then who???

    The Government Accountability Office!

  95. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    The GAO relies on the FBI and CIA reports, no? How would they investigate non-transparent, non-financial dealings? I’m glad they’re going after Comey, but I don’t see how they could handle Russia and hacking and cultivating Trump as a resource.

  96. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Oh wait, the DOJ is going after Comey. Maybe we should be compiling a list of all agencies/branches that can hold government accountable and for what. We’re going to need them

  97. Donald Harrison
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Holy smokes folks that’s a lot of smoking guns. I’m glad it’s all been figured out, at least until next week (when we’ll undoubtedly tune in again). There’s a lot of critical thinking happening here and beyond right now, though, so hopefully that’s something that becomes a much more pervasive ongoing practice.

    As for this Russian pissing match, I actually agree on at least some strata with most of the posts. We’re all still trying to make sense of the political tectonic plates moving and figure out where we’ll land (and what that land will look like).

  98. Lynne
    Posted January 12, 2017 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    The GAO relies on the FBI and CIA reports, no? How would they investigate non-transparent, non-financial dealings? I’m glad they’re going after Comey, but I don’t see how they could handle Russia and hacking and cultivating Trump as a resource.

    No, the GAO has their own staff. My brother is one of them (which is why I own a beautiful rug from Afghanistan where my brother spent two years auditing stuff at the embassy compound in Kabul). They audit government programs at the request of Congress. They are currently, at the request of Elizabeth Warren auditing the Trump transition. While they wouldn’t directly investigate Russia or the hacking, they could audit the CIA and FBI’s investigations to make sure they are doing their jobs. The GAO staff have the high security clearances to conduct such investigations and they are very thorough, but slow. They find corruption, waste, whatever.

  99. Morbid Larson
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    It appears the warlord has left.

  100. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 1:42 am | Permalink

    Nah. He popped back up on an older thread. Same old stuff. He’s leaving. We were too mean to him he said. But then he kept arguing as per usual.

  101. Morbid Larson
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 4:24 am | Permalink

    He says he knows me, no clue who he is. The pro-Trump nonsense combined with the pot flakes are off putting.

  102. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Lots of pot, I suspect. All the signs: angry and paranoid but convinced he’s mellow, immune to any perspective but his own, but convinced that’s ‘logic’ and ‘truth.’ At any rate, one learns nothing from discourse with him. Nothing but how a mind twists around it’s belief system to protect it.

  103. Lynne
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Hey, I know plenty of pot heads who aren’t like that!

    I suspect that the pot actually is making him more mellow than he would otherwise be and also probably explains his “logic” if he goes online when he is high. Thing is, pot doesn’t give you a personality transplant. I just wonder if he listened to Session’s marijuana answer the other day. Say bye bye to your semi-legal weed maybe? Sigh. Unfortunately guys like him have trouble with abstract thought and it will be like health care for many people, they wont see the problem until it affects them first hand and personally.

  104. Hagopian Handmaid
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    But it’s not personal HW. Smh.

  105. Eel
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    The real question is, Was it Trump Water that they were pissing out?

  106. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    HW– When you dominate this space with your rants, you will be scrutinized as to your thinking and biases. The same thing happened to me re sexism in the campaign from both left and right. It’s to be expected. I found it instructive– even the bits I didn’t buy. I didn’t say our commentary wasn’t personal (ie about you as a person in the world); I said don’t take it personally. What people think of anyone else says as much about them as it does about the person they are judging. You have made it clear you believe this about us. So let it go. You were never going to win here, because we are mpostly informed and you had no new information or perspective to offer. Whatever we felt about your points, we had figured out months ago, and frankly, if you aren’t learning, there’s no reason to engage.

  107. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Lynne– i didn’t say all pot heads are like that, but many after years of sustained use, are. I’ve seen it. That THC shit has a long term impact on some people’s brains– like any psychoactive substance, side effects vary.

  108. Lynne
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Jean, fair enough. I haven’t seen it but maybe the people I am thinking of have been smoking so much for so long that I haven’t noticed gradual changes. Mostly they seem cognitively impaired in the usual ways you would expect with stoners (short term memory issues) but otherwise seem ok to me.

  109. anonymous
    Posted January 13, 2017 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    From someone two friends removed on Facebook.

    Christopher Steele, the retired British intelligence agent who was the source of the Buzzfeed story about the Golden Showers, turns out to be more than just a retired spy. He was an MI6 super star. Christopher Steele broke the Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko story in 2006. He is a highly credible source.

    Putin, the KGB, the Russian Government, and the infamous Russian Mob are all the same thing, it turns out. They have been grooming Trump for years. They’ve been the source of his capital, his connections and his financial flotation for years. He was an investment — perhaps one of many — but one that has paid off big time. They’re still playing their cards. They’re a long way from cashing their chips yet.

    Our intelligence community knows all of the above too. But intelligence knowledge seldom involves the infamous smoking gun. They know by overwhelming inference but they cannot prove. Not yet anyway. And they don’t know quite how to handle it.

    This is John Le Carre smoking a meth pipe. This is reality. This is the United States of Trumpistan. Right here. Right now. Time has come today…

    The CIA as an agency has had and probably still has an historical anti-communist obsession with Russia dating back to its inception by John Foster Dulles in the late 40s. In the years since 911 the CIA has been criticized for living in the past — for continuing its obsession with Russia when Middle Eastern terrorists have taken the front of the stage. The years leading up to the USA’s invasion of Iraq were a difficult time for the agency. Bush neo-cons seized on the WMD issue as a justification for war. We know from books by former Bush cabinet members Paul O’Neil and Richard Clarke the Bush administration wanted war with Iraq BEFORE 911. After 911 they went into tizzy mode, and seized firmly on the WMD argument. The intelligence community never really signed on. The then-head of the CIA, George Tenet, who was a political appointee rather than a career spy, did sign on. He referred to the WMD argument as a ‘slam dunk.’

    But intelligence rank and file never did. Valerie Plame’s husband tried to spill the beans over false information about uranium. His wife Valerie, who was a career spy, got roasted for it. The CIA has been in crisis ever since. They were forced to take the blame for Cheney’s incompetent obsession and they resented it big time. In that context, and in the context of their historical obsession with Russia, along comes Trump, who suddenly wants to flip the tables and make love with Putin. And Trump, they know, is puppet stringed by Russia. Blackmailed in fact. Holy mother of god.

    They are in total crisis mode now and don’t know what to do. Christopher Steele has disappeared. I hope he’s in hiding, rather than…

  110. jean henry
    Posted January 14, 2017 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Canadian Press is not holding back:
    http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/russias-american-coup/

  111. jean henry
    Posted January 14, 2017 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Christopher Steele has indeed gone underground. He also worked without pay since the election.

    https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/christopher-steele-trump-russia-dossier.amp.html?client=safari

  112. jean henry
    Posted January 14, 2017 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-russia-dossier-file-investigation-hacking-christopher-steele-mi6-a7526901.html%3Famp?client=safari

  113. Demetrius
    Posted January 14, 2017 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    @ Jean

    Thanks for posting the link to the Maclean’s article.

    As the writer points out, these events are moving so fast it is sometimes hard to maintain a balanced perspective. Stepping back just a bit to remember how crazy and unprecedented all of this has been (and continues to be) is definitely helpful in terms of understanding it – and trying to figure out what we should do next.

  114. Hagopian Handmaid
    Posted January 14, 2017 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    On the bright side. Russia does have single payer healthcare.

  115. Meta
    Posted January 28, 2017 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Form the Daily Mail:

    Former KGB general who helped MI6 spy compile the Donald Trump dirty dossier who has been found dead in the back of his car amid claims of a Kremlin cover up Oleg

    • Erovinkin was found dead on Boxing Day in the back of his black Lexus
    • The morgue in Russia has not reached a conclusion about the cause of death
    • Local media is claiming foul play was at the centre of him being killed in Moscow
    • It has been claimed Erovinkin is a key source mentioned in the explosive dossier

    Read more:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4166610/Kremlin-covered-murder-former-KGB-chief.html#ixzz4X7P7CLF1

  116. Ellen Wright
    Posted August 28, 2017 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    wow!!! this must be fake news Would our President stoop this low?

  117. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 24, 2017 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Look at what garbage you published. The collusion probe found jack shit and now Clinton and Obama are in the crosshairs of the investigation. Amazing! Fox reports tonight a reliable source says Manafort did deals on behalf of Russia to influence the Obama administration and Hillary in particular since she had a shot at being president. We’ve been hearing about bribes and Uranium One for a while already and it seems to have legs. Holy fucking shit! You guys are burnt toast. You are done. How much you want to bet?

    http://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559854924/house-republicans-launch-new-investigations-into-clinton-email-probe-uranium-dea

  118. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 24, 2017 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Can You Feel It

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCSkw4roTEQ

  119. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 24, 2017 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Let me get one more ahaha!

    Stick Em

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wipr12ZmBfw

  120. kjc
    Posted October 25, 2017 at 5:01 am | Permalink

    “Fox reports tonight a reliable source says”

    lost me here.

  121. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 25, 2017 at 5:40 am | Permalink

    Yeah, right. Look how much more correct they have been than the Clinton networks…and MM. All this howling about the phony dossier and all this shit? Come on!

  122. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 25, 2017 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    Trump, Russia, Possible Collusion

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw2BVI9OhC4

  123. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 25, 2017 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Particularly focused on lobbying between 2012 and 2014. It adds up. All you Clinton cling-ons are so done.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-manafort-possible-money-laundering-probe-report/

    Paul Manafort, President Trump’s ex-campaign chairman, is being investigated for possible money laundering, according to The Wall Street Journal, which cited three people familiar with the matter.

    The newspaper writes that the Manhattan U.S. attorney’s office is launching the probe which now joins other state and federal probes connected to Manafort.

    WSJ adds that the investigation is led by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York in conjunction with a probe special counsel Robert Mueller is carrying out related to possible money laundering by Manafort.

    Tuesday’s report comes in the wake of Mr. Trump’s reported interviewing of at least two people for U.S. attorney positions in New York — which includes the office which oversees the fresh Manafort probe.

    New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has been investigating Manafort’s real estate holdings in New York.

    Mueller, who is using a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C. to help with his investigation, is said to be particularly focused on Manafort’s lobbying efforts between 2012 and 2014 for a pro-Russian Ukrainaian political party, and his offshore banking and financial dealings.

  124. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 25, 2017 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    Just put your fingers in your ears. That’ll work!

  125. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 27, 2017 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS for phony dossier and failed to report it. John Podesta and Debbie Wasserman Schultz denied knowledge of the payments. False information that originated from ‘the Russians’ that Clinton paid for was used to get a FISA warrant to spy on Trump.

    Can you be any more burnt to a crisp! The Burnt Toast People ahahaha!!!

  126. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 27, 2017 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    wiki wiki wiki wiki

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEmg5GaAHbk

  127. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 27, 2017 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Party Has Just Begun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpYlfmXO690

  128. Jean Henry
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    Tonight was the night wherein all the Trumpites lose it in a stream of ranting and invective and bizarre counter accusations– Gorka, Stone and HW. They all sound exactly the same tonight.
    Mueller files charges late on Friday, details won’t be revealed until Monday, So we get to watch the denialists squirm. Mueller has Manafort by the balls for sure. A little twist and he’ll squeal like a pig.
    https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/924111886030901249

  129. Bob
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    Plus it turns out conservatives paid for the dossier. Sorry HW. Let the criminal charges begin.

  130. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    You don’t get it. Manafort influenced Clinton/Obama on behalf of Russia. You are the one in denial, Jean. Your whole world is all fucked up but here you are doubling down on it. It’s incredible.

  131. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Clinton campaign paid for Fusion GPS to produce the dossier. From CNN like three days ago. You are so far behind you can’t catch up.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/fusion-gps-clinton-campaign/index.html

  132. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    Before Clinton got in on it one of Trump’s challengers in the primary employed Fusion GPS. Hmmm…who could that be? How much you want to bet it’s a globalist scumbag whose dad is extremely fond of Bill Clinton.

  133. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    On Thursday the DOJ lifted a gag order on an FBI informant about the Uranium One scandal. Think about that. On Thursday they got an informant and on Friday they announced an indictment.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/doj-fbi-informant-uranium-congress/index.html

  134. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    It could be a move to try to get Trump through ever being associated at all with Manafort while congress slogs through the informant’s details. It could be Kushner! Was Mueller complicit? Before Hillary Clinton signed off on the Uranium One deal and the Clinton Foundation received millions from Russia and Bill did his half million dollar speech for the Russian bank promoting Uranium One there was an FBI investigation into Russia bribing a Canadian company to illegally move uranium around the USA. That investigation seemed to be no problem for Clinton and the others who signed off on the deal! No problem. It’s like “It’s only a mineable substance naturally occurring in certain places on mother earth. We need to share our resources to promote our vision of a more caring world and create prosperity for the world’s people…”

  135. disinterested observer
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    ” Your whole world is all fucked up but here you are doubling down on it. It’s incredible.”

    In my impartial opinion, the world that Hyborian Warlord chooses to inhabit is way more fucked up than the world of Bob, or Jean Henry, or anyone else I’ve read here. Hyborian Warlord is the undisputed record holder.

  136. puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    @HW, you’re barking up the wrong tree. In a year or so, when this finally reaches Trump’s doorstep, I predict we’re going to find out he and everyone around him has been laundering money for Russian oligarchs for years.

  137. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    But you probably bought the phony dossier, didn’t you? You better HOPE it goes to Trump. That’s all you’ve got because this whole investigation is based on the phony dossier.

  138. Sad
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Let go – travel with HW –

    https://youtu.be/r2pt2-F2j2g

  139. puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Actually I don’t “buy” anything about the dossier, and I don’t understand where you get the idea that the Mueller investigation has anything to do with it!

  140. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    How do you not understand that???

    Clinton lawyer, DNC helped bankroll research that led to Trump-Russia dossier
    The dossier has become a central focus of ongoing congressional probes into Russian election interference during the 2016 general election.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/24/trump-clinton-russia-dossier-bankroll-244131

  141. puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    OK then, genius, let’s see who gets indicted.

  142. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see what happens in the Uranium One House Intelligence Committee investigation, which Manafort is part of.

  143. puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Indeed. And let’s both agree in advance to accept the outcome as reality, and not hunt for conspiracy theories to explain why reality doesn’t conform to our beliefs.

  144. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    I expect Mueller to try to get Trump the best he can. If he doesn’t that will be great. He might turn on Clinton to save his own ass. Sounds like the House Intelligence Committee is all over the new Uranium One revelations.

  145. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think you understand conspiracies. Making one up to keep out the reality is what Clinton and the crony media corporations have been doing for forever now. I just pay attention to what is happening.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-25/former-podesta-group-executive-says-firm-peddled-russian-oligarchs-all-over-dc-paul-

    Tucker Carlson’s source:

    Lobbyist and temporary Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort is at the center of the Russia probe – however the scope of the investigation has broadened to include his activities prior to the 2016 election.

    Manafort worked with the Podesta Group since at least 2011 on behalf of Russian interests, and was at the Podesta Group offices “all the time, at least once a month,” peddling Russian influence through a shell group called the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine (ECMU).
    Manafort brought a “parade” of Russian oligarchs to congress for meetings with members and their staffs, however, the Russia’s “central effort” was the Obama Administration.
    In 2013, John Podesta recommended that Tony hire David Adams, Hillary Clinton’s chief adviser at the State Department, giving them a “direct liaison” between the group’s Russian clients and Hillary Clinton’s State Department.

    In late 2013 or early 2014, Tony Podesta and a representative for the Clinton Foundation met to discuss how to help Uranium One – the Russian owned company that controls 20 percent of American Uranium Production – and whose board members gave over $100 million to the Clinton Foundation.

    “Tony Podesta was basically part of the Clinton Foundation.”

    Believing she would win the 2016 election, Russia considered the Podesta Group’s connection to Hillary highly valuable.

    Podesta Group is a nebulous organization with no board oversight and all financial decisions made by Tony Podesta. Carlson’s source said payments and kickbacks could be hard for investigators to trace, describing it as a “highly secret treasure trove.” One employee’s only official job was to manage Tony Podesta’s art collection, which could be used to conceal financial transactions.

  146. puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    I expect special prosecutors to be fair and non-partisan. It seems you are saying your judgement of the fairness of Mueller’s investigation will depend on whether the result pleases you.

  147. puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    OMG, do you think Manafort was a Democrat plant in the Trump campaign? That would explain everything! Thank you for opening my eyes, Hyborian Genius!

  148. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    “I expect special prosecutors to be fair and non-partisan.”

    HA!!! The team is full of Democrat lawyers!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/07/05/as-mueller-grows-his-russia-special-counsel-team-every-hire-is-under-scrutiny/?utm_term=.96423b564087
    At least seven of the 15 lawyers Mueller has brought on to the special counsel team have donated to Democratic political candidates, five of them to Hillary Clinton — a fact that President Trump and his allies have eagerly highlighted. These critics also point to some of the lawyers’ history working with clients connected to the Clintons and Mueller’s long history with former FBI director James B. Comey as they question whether those assigned to the investigation can be impartial.

  149. puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Already working on the foundation for your next conspiracy theory, I see.

  150. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    “OMG, do you think Manafort was a Democrat plant in the Trump campaign? That would explain everything! Thank you for opening my eyes, Hyborian Genius!”

    I don’t know why he was in the Trump campaign. I wonder if DJT wanted to pick his brain. Manafort worked with the Podesta Group, I am confident on that.

  151. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    “Already working on the foundation for your next conspiracy theory, I see.”

    It’s a fact. Mueller’s team is full of Clinton/Democrat friendly lawyers. That’s no secret. I think if you pay attention and educate yourself not so many things will sound like a “conspiracy theory”.

  152. puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    So what? and so what? What’s next? When they indict Flynn and his son, will they become Democrat plants too? You know, Flynn used to be a Democrat and worked under the Obama administration.

  153. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    What do you mean so what? It’s a factual counter to your opinion. All I’ve heard about Flynn is he got paid by Turkey and met with a Russian ambassador.

  154. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    You didn’t even know why I said the investigation is based on the phony dossier so I don’t know why you are acting like I’m some kind of nut talking about this information. Educate yourself. Look up some articles and videos with information you are not aware of – it’s good for the mind. If you disparage people who are way more up on this shit than you are you are going to get burned.

  155. stupid hick
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    PP, give up. I think by now it’s plain to anyone who reads HW’s posts (except maybe EOS) that his faith in Trump is absolute and unshakable. To HW anything that casts Trump in a negative light is obviously made-up by his political opponents. HW is possessed by a pathological compulsion to grasp at any possible defense. Doesn’t matter how tenuous. Doesn’t matter how, ahem, cray. A year from now, if everyone around Trump is in prison, it will still have nothing to do with Trump. PP, you’re wasting your time.

  156. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    You need to believe they are going to get Trump and that it will be righteous so you are hostile to anything that contradicts that storyline. That’s what it looks like from here.

  157. puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    “THE” investigation. Mmm hmm. Will you admit you have no direct knowledge of what Mueller is investigating, and that all you know about the House investigation comes from the stories that appeal to you because of their political slant? I’m predicting that Manafort and Flynn are both going to be indicted, and I also predict that when they are, you’re going to find some cockamamie reason it proves Clinton is corrupt and they have no connection with Trump. Prove me wrong.

  158. disinterested observer
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    In my impartial opinion, Hyborian Warlord’s posts seem nuttier than Puzzled Pawn’s.

  159. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    disinterested observer
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    “In my impartial opinion, Hyborian Warlord’s posts seem nuttier than Puzzled Pawn’s.”

    Aw, it’s a lil AI bot learning how to be just like a good Clinton cling-on.

  160. puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    @HW, “You need to believe they are going to get Trump”. I don’t need to believe any such thing. Let’s see what happens and accept the results. But I’m pretty confident that at least Manafort and Flynn are going down, and it doesn’t look good for Trump.

  161. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    “puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm | Permalink
    “THE” investigation. Mmm hmm. Will you admit you have no direct knowledge of what Mueller is investigating, and that all you know about the House investigation comes from the stories that appeal to you because of their political slant? I’m predicting that Manafort and Flynn are both going to be indicted, and I also predict that when they are, you’re going to find some cockamamie reason it proves Clinton is corrupt and they have no connection with Trump. Prove me wrong.”

    You better hope the Podesta Group executive is lying. Otherwise you are going to eat a metric ton of shit.

  162. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    puzzled pawn
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    “@HW, “You need to believe they are going to get Trump”. I don’t need to believe any such thing. Let’s see what happens and accept the results. But I’m pretty confident that at least Manafort and Flynn are going down, and it doesn’t look good for Trump.”

    It should be obvious I was responding to ‘stupid hick’. Manafort is far more tied to Clinton and Podesta than Trump.

  163. disinterested observer
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    I call ’em like I see ’em. You are the nuttiest one here.

  164. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    “I call ’em like I see ’em. You are the nuttiest one here.”

    Why should I care about that? A whole shitload of people on this site think the same thing. Obviously I don’t give a shit.

  165. stupid hick
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Oh, were you talking to me? “Hostile”? No, more like “incredulous”. And yes, I will be quite relieved when Trump falls. As any reasonable, patriotic, American will be. Liberal, conservative, or independent.

  166. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    “Oh, were you talking to me? “Hostile”? No, more like “incredulous”. And yes, I will be quite relieved when Trump falls. As any reasonable, patriotic, American will be. Liberal, conservative, or independent.”

    I think it’s pretty hostile to say I’m pathological. Especially when you haven’t said anything against the information I posted. It’s nothing but ad hominem bullshit.

  167. stupid hick
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Well, what would a reasonable person conclude about someone who still thinks that Richard Spencer is a phony, and Charlottesville was “stitched up” to try to trap Trump? You can’t help yourself. You’re obsessed and compulsive. That’s the definition of pathological.

  168. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    What makes you think Spencer is legit? Was that you who posted those articles about him? I didn’t see your explanation of how that is relevant to the question.

  169. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    You can’t have watched the Vanguard America vids I posted so it is true you are ignorant of what I am even talking about. Ignorant people attack what they don’t understand.

  170. stupid hick
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Dude, I watched your videos. What a waste of time.

  171. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    So you think that’s a legit organization? Nothing out of the ordinary for a self-proclaimed white supremacist group to look and act just like antifa?

  172. stupid hick
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think I would use the word “legit” to describe any white supremacist organization, but it should be clear to any rational person that they are real white supremacists, not a hoax, and the events they’ve taken part in since Charlottesville are not phony attempts to make Trump look bad by association. They’re real, they genuinely believe that Trump supports their beliefs, and nobody in the Trump administration has called them phony.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-supremacists-come-to-terrorize-refugees-in-tennessee

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/42396-neo-nazis-target-college-campuses-in-recruitment-drive

    http://www.newsweek.com/richard-spencer-event-linked-man-charged-attempted-murder-according-planning-693941

  173. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    So they’re real because they are real. I see.

  174. stupid hick
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Look, why are you wasting your time here? Why don’t you instead tweet Trump and warn him there are liberals, or globalists, or whatever, posing as white supremacists, trying to trap him?

  175. stupid hick
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    While you’re at it, warn the Anti-Defamation League they’re being punked. So unfair to everyone.

    https://www.adl.org/education/resources/backgrounders/vanguard-america

  176. Jean Henry
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Uy0Uznw4E

  177. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Trump knows about false flags. He’s not a dumbass.

  178. stupid hick
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    And so we’ve come full circle. You think Charlottesville was a false flag operation. Not even Trump is such a dumbass to believe that.

  179. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Don’t be an idiot. Obviously if Vanguard America is fake like I said it would have to be a false flag. I think there are a lot of things I take for granted that people understand but you have no point of reference for it so it sounds insane.

  180. stupid hick
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Ok then, I guess we agree on the point that you’re the one who sounds insane. Wait, have you even considered that even if Vanguard America is fake, it doesn’t mean Charlottesville, or any other event since then that Vanguard America took part in was a false flag operation? Go smoke more dope and think about it.

  181. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 28, 2017 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    You don’t think it’s strange to be an Obama supporter activist and then suddenly become a white supremacist rally organizer like Kessler? If you believe it it doesn’t bother me but don’t talk shit to me for noticing all these anomalous people at Charlottesville.

  182. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    “Wait, have you even considered that even if Vanguard America is fake, it doesn’t mean Charlottesville, or any other event since then that Vanguard America took part in was a false flag operation?”

    I mean if Fields was part of their crew which he was then that would look pretty damn suspicious I think. It’s a schizophrenic man tagging along with a fake supremacist group at a rally planned by a liberal activist turned rabid racist.

  183. stupid hick
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Trump used to be a Democrat. So was Flynn. So was Ronald Reagan. So was I. So what?

  184. Iron Lung
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    Comical comments and whimsical reactions.

  185. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    “Trump used to be a Democrat. So was Flynn. So was Ronald Reagan. So was I. So what?”

    Did you suddenly start organizing white supremacist rallies?

  186. stupid hick
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Look at you. Now you’re saying I’m incapable of being a white supremacist because I used to identify as a Democrat. Hey, does Trump’s prior affiliation prove he’s fake? Can’t admit you’re wrong can you.

  187. Bob
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    This has devolved to a truly new level of stupid. Congratulations.

  188. stupid hick
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    I’m under no illusion anything productive will come from our conversation. The only reason I’m still here is curiosity about how long HW will persist to try to have the last word.

  189. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    “Look at you. Now you’re saying I’m incapable of being a white supremacist because I used to identify as a Democrat. Hey, does Trump’s prior affiliation prove he’s fake? Can’t admit you’re wrong can you.”

    That doesn’t even make sense. I’m saying did you do what Kessler did? No, so it’s not the same thing is it? It’s not the same to just quit as it is to go from total liberal to major racist rally organizer overnight (election night).

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jason-kessler

    Regardless of Kessler’s past politics, the rightward shift in his views was first put on display in November, 2016 when his tirade against Wes Bellamy began.

  190. stupid hick
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    A racist switches his political affiliation BECAUSE of Trump, and to you that proves he’s a phony. Because, duh! OK, so you’re still trying to be the last man standing in this futile, stupid, conversation? Keep reaching for the stars. Who is the stupidest hick on this blog? I’m still here, standing my eponymous ground. “Blog and soil!” “You will not replace me!”

  191. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    That’s amazing you take everything at face value. How do you get through life without people constantly taking advantage of you?

  192. stupid hick
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    The obvious answer is I accept reality and I don’t go hunting for conspiracy theories to justify my beliefs. And I don’t equate having the last word with having won an argument.

  193. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    What does all this shit have to do with the reality of Clinton funding the phony dossier then? You say you accept reality but you are using every fallacy you can to distract from the reality staring you in the face.

  194. stupid hick
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Still here trying to prove you’re the stupidest hick in Ypsilanti? The contents of the dossier will either be true or false, and unlike you I don’t care which way the cards fall. You’re the one jumping to premature conclusions not me. I will accept the reality of what shakes out.

  195. Jean Henry
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    My brother went to high school with Tucker Carlson and used to argue politics with him all the time. We grew up arguing about politics as sport in my family. My brother could win every argument because Carlson always made shit up and, if you knew your stuff, you could call him on it. Mr Carlson ended up at the right network. A network with such a loyal and devoted fan base of sheeple that they will take in and repeat as gospel any narrative, no matter how unfounded, spoon fed to them many times over any given week. Look at the FOX newsfeed this week if you want to see some expert redirection via propaganda at work. Man, they are good. Expert manipulators of nformation. Their audience and followers are damn fools though.

  196. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    NY Times 4-23-15

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    Total treason – then to have the gall to try framing Trump for being what she is. It’s amazing to see it blow up like it is. Podesta and Manafort are involved with the Clinton Foundation in money laundering or some shit. How much do you want to bet?

    Are you fucking serious?! 145 million to the Clinton Foundation from people associated with the deal!!!

    http://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-clintons-russia-trump-688592
    All told, $145 million went to the Clinton Foundation from those linked to Uranium One and UrAsia, but it went to the charity organization and not the Clinton family.

  197. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Don’t got tahm for moderation babay

    NY Times 4-23-15
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    Total treason – then to have the gall to try framing Trump for being what she is. It’s amazing to see it blow up like it is. Podesta and Manafort are involved with the Clinton Foundation in money laundering or some shit. How much do you want to bet?

  198. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Are you fucking serious?! 145 million to the Clinton Foundation from people associated with the deal!!!

    http://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-clintons-russia-trump-688592
    All told, $145 million went to the Clinton Foundation from those linked to Uranium One and UrAsia, but it went to the charity organization and not the Clinton family.

  199. Sad
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    HW did you notice the Clinton appearance in the recently released JFK papers?

  200. stupid hick
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Manafort’s indictment is all about Clinton? Yup, that explains why Trump and his minions are in full freak-out mode.

  201. Lynne
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    stupid hick, there is only one way to get the last word with HW,

    You have to let him think he got the last word. Wait a week or so after he responds and then leave your response. Then comment on enough other posts so your own last word response is no longer in the most recent feed on the right.

    I dont know if his ability to spew BS is endless or not but I know That I have not yet Found the limits of it.

  202. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    “Manafort’s indictment is all about Clinton? Yup, that explains why Trump and his minions are in full freak-out mode.”

    Did I say that, dummy? Mueller is investigating the Podesta Group though and Manafort is being investigate for the time frame he worked with them so it wouldn’t be a shock – to me.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-now-investigating-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776

  203. stupid hick
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Keep on blathering, I’m listening, and laughing.

  204. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    You do that. I’ll just keep posting more true information.

  205. stupid hick
    Posted October 29, 2017 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    You can deflect all you want, but your laughable interpretation of “true information” couldn’t be more off the mark. I get it that you like to fantasize about prosecuting Clinton, but you need to focus on reality. Trump is not squirming because the walls are closing in on Clinton. She didn’t pick Trump’s campaign manager, nor his national security adviser, who are both likely to be indicted. She didn’t attempt to obstruct justice by begging Comey to let Flynn go, and then fire him when he wouldn’t. It’s not Clinton who has to worry about Manafort or Flynn flipping on her. You’re so delusional I used to be mortified for you, but now I’m mostly just amused to see how many rotten apples you can keep pulling from the bottom of your crazy barrel. So please, keep the crazy fruit coming.

  206. EOS
    Posted October 30, 2017 at 4:47 am | Permalink

    Stupid Hick,

    HW is closer to the truth than you are on this issue. If Manafort and Flynn get indicted today, it is for things they did apart from any association with Trump. Both of these persons were employed by Trump for very short durations. Trump fired them both.

    To date, there hasn’t been any evidence that Trump himself had illegal contact with any Russians, but vast amounts of evidence that the Clinton Foundation received millions of dollars in a quid pro quo relationship with Russia. You can ridicule others for pointing to the evidence of conspiracy revolving around the Clintons, but that won’t alter the facts. These facts didn’t result because the walls are closing in on Trump, but were widely published at the time and ignored by everybody in the Obama administration. The DNC paid the Russians for fake news about Trump, and then the FBI used the fake news to open investigations on a number of individuals. Obama politicized the IRS to attack political opponents and conservative groups. The multitude of crimes of the previous administration cannot be ignored.

  207. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 30, 2017 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    My sources are mainstream as shit so I don’t see how what I am saying can be seen as crazy from… a mainstream perspective.

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