Florida ramps up the negligent homicide bodycount in the run-up to the GOP convention

In early June, North Carolina officials informed the Republican Party that, given the COVID-19 pandemic, they would be requiring those attending the GOP convention, which had been scheduled to start August 24 in Charlotte, to follow certain public health safeguards. This apparently did not sit well with Donald Trump, who, according to multiple sources, told North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper, “I don’t want to be sitting in a place that’s 50 percent empty.” And, with that, the administration began looking for a venue that would allow them to hold their convention in a packed arena, without any consideration of social distancing. Ultimately, the GOP decided to hold their event in Florida, where Governor Ron DeSantis, an ardent Trump supporter, was steadfastly refusing to consider the scientific evidence and issue a shelter-in-place order. Here’s DeSantis in April bragging about how he’d handled the pandemic so much better than his Democratic counterparts by essentially doing nothing.

Well, here were are, five weeks out from the Republican National Convention is Jacksonville, and Florida just broke a new record, confirming 15,300 coronavirus cases in one day. That’s the highest single day increase any state has seen since the onset of the pandemic. [New York hit their peak of 12,274 cases on April 4.]

In spite of this, DeSantis is still refusing to make mask wearing mandatory in public spaces. Not only that, but he’s still pushing to open Florida’s schools next month. This morning, he said, “If you can do Walmart,” then “we absolutely can do schools”, apparently not understanding the difference between stopping by a near-empty hardware store to pick up a gallon of paint, and sitting in an overcrowded classroom of coughing, mask-less first-graders for 40 hours a week.

Speaking of reopening schools, here’s Michigan’s Betsy DeVos attempting to answer why she’s mandating that schools reopen in fall when no federal action has yet to be taken to prepare them, and Nancy Pelosi responding that DeVos is guilty of “malfeasance and dereliction of duty.”

So, shall we start an office pool and try to guess how many public schools Betsy DeVos will visit during once they start opening back up? My guess is zero.

As for the image at the top of the post, it took over 125 days, and 137,782 dead Americans, but Donald Trump finally did the right thing, followed the advice of public health officials, and did what any real leader would have done from the outset. He put on a fucking mask, like an adult. Had it happened earlier in the spring, when he was instead encouraging his followers to “liberate” their states from those seeking to save their lives, it might have made a difference. As it is, it’s probably too late.

update: Oh, and here’s what DeSantis looks like today.

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292 Comments

  1. Posted July 12, 2020 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    On Trump’s agenda tomorrow.

  2. Anonymous
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Something is happening. Trump wore a mask, and the Redskins announced they’d be changing their name.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2020/07/12/washington-redskins-to-announce-new-team-name-monday/5425894002/

  3. iRobert
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    If it were only the Trumpanzees who were suffering the consequences of their incredible stupidity and narcissism, I’d be doing everything in my power to encourage it.

  4. iRobert
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Trump should wear a mask that says “HOAX”

    I’m hoping to see that on his gravestone too.

  5. iRobert
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Florida’s current count of deaths over the last 24 hours is 45. New York is at 11. Michigan’s is 1.

    7-Day moving average of daily US deaths:

    July 4th: 518 (-37)
    July 5th: 516 (-2)
    July 6th: 517 (+1)
    July 7th: 556 (+39)
    July 8th: 585 (+29)
    July 9th: 625 (+40)
    July 10th: 657 (+32)
    July 11th: 723 (+66)

  6. Wobblie
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Aloha. New Zealand followed China and South Korea’s example. They have now gone 42 days without a new infection. PM Ardern declared the country virus free today. The had a 7 week lock down 22 total deaths. They have been reopening now for a month without a single new case. Great example if smart leadership.
    Our 70 day lockdown could have been effective. Yhanks to the death cult it was all a waste. MAGA

  7. Sad
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    By August we’ll be back up to 1000 deaths a day.

    Then things will really start rolling along once all the students fan out to campus.

  8. Wobblie
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Sad, I wish you were right. I suspect we will be back over a thousand by the end of the week. Hospital ICU ‘s in Arizona, Texas and Florida are full up. They will be triaging folks on ventilators shutting off the oldest to make room for all the younger victims whom might have a better chance of survival. They have been shipping people all around including out of state, but hospitals will stop taking er patents. Some time in the next two weeks I expect we will see people dying out side er’s trying to get in

  9. iRobert
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    7-Day moving average of daily US deaths:
    July 4th: 518 (-37)
    July 5th: 516 (-2)
    July 6th: 517 (+1)
    July 7th: 556 (+39)
    July 8th: 585 (+29)
    July 9th: 625 (+40)
    July 10th: 657 (+32)
    July 11th: 723 (+66)
    July 12th: 740 (+17)

  10. Wobblie
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Aloha. I wonder where and how they report military trumpvirus deaths. Since the C in C has provided such great leadership I m sure the military is prepared

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/07/10/militarys-covid-19-cases-growing-at-twice-the-nationwide-rate/?fbclid=IwAR1S7XONtJqJNd6cXrcUnktLsK2EbFVDUdTVsSXYPMU71oGbrCtFIftZWDw

  11. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    “They will be triaging folks on ventilators”

    ?

  12. Wobblie
    Posted July 12, 2020 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Aloha,FF
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/opinion/coronavirus-hospital-shortage.amp.html

  13. Demetrius
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    A “hoax,”… it will just “disappear,” … “we’ve got it under control” … just a Democratic plot to steal the election …

    What do tyrants and autocrats typically do when the reality of a situation completely diverges from their hoped-for narratives?

    Kill the messenger.

    NYT: (07/12/20) – As Fauci becomes more vocal, Trump aides are moving to undercut him.

    President Trump’s advisers undercut the nation’s top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, over the weekend, anonymously providing details to various news outlets about statements he had made early in the outbreak that they said were inaccurate.

    The move to treat Dr. Fauci as if he were a warring political rival comes as he has grown increasingly vocal in his concerns about the national surge in coronavirus cases. He has also noted his lack of access to Mr. Trump.

    Aides to Mr. Trump released to The Washington Post and other news outlets a list of remarks Dr. Fauci made about the virus when it was in its early stages. It featured several comments White House aides had privately complained about for months.

    An official told The Post that several other officials were concerned about how often Dr. Fauci had been wrong.
    For example, White House officials pointed to a statement he made in a Feb. 29 interview that “at this moment, there is no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day-by-day basis.”

    But they omitted a warning Dr. Fauci delivered right after.

    “Right now the risk is still low, but this could change,” he said in the interview, conducted by NBC News. “When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread.”

    Dr. Fauci works for the Trump administration, but the list of his statements was laid out in the style of a campaign’s opposition research document.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/world/coronavirus-updates.html

  14. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Thanks for the article from March 12, Wobblie

    ?

  15. Wobblie
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Aloha FF US antidotal evidence catching up with months old reports from China.

    https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity?fbclid=IwAR1nvQ2XCeTQN3tPGlkYQ39hBHkzjjDTy5ydI91ewU7Md3xTTWHn0v7cm7I

  16. Wobblie
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Aloha it was an overview. You actually think your death cult governors have used this time to build capacity ?

  17. Wobblie
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Aloha FF there is an approx. 2 week or more lag time between initial infection and hospitalization. There is also lag times between exposure and testing—extremely variable—testing and results another lag time. New hospitalization are two week old exposures. Most of these folks will still be in the hospital for weeks. Current rate of doubling is 16 days.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242270081.html

  18. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Thanks for the reinfection article Wobblie. If reinfection becomes a thing and if people like the patient in NJ are experiencing worse symptoms the second time around then we are screwed.

  19. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    My understanding is the 18 day average is an estimate from contracting it to death. Everybody knows about the various lags. More lag makes MI numbers look worse and FL better there. I was being generous.

  20. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/monmouth/news/central-jersey-doctor-reports-patients-reinfected-with-coronavirus/790555/

    I don’t like this at all.

  21. Meta
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    LA Times: “COVID-19 death tolls now rising in key states after weeks of decline nationwide”

    Soaring coronavirus infections in Texas, Arizona and Florida are pushing deaths from the disease back upward, reversing two months of declines and undercutting claims by the Trump administration that the pandemic is under control.

    In Texas, where hospitals are being swamped by a wave of COVID-19 patients, the seven-day average of deaths hit 46 a day this week, more than double the daily average in mid-June, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

    The average daily death toll in Arizona has also more than doubled in the last month. And in Florida, another state where infections are skyrocketing, the daily average of coronavirus-related deaths has jumped 60% in the last 2½ weeks.

    Read more:
    https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-07-09/covid-19-deaths-tolls-rising

  22. Posted July 13, 2020 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    There is additional lag between spike in infections and spike in deaths. That is that it is far more young people are currently being infected. This result is the appearance that the virus has become less fatal. What will happen next is that the vast spread of the virus among the younger population will increase the likelihood of older people being infected by them.

  23. Posted July 13, 2020 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Florida already has 35 deaths reported today. No other state is in double digits yet. Michigan hasn’t reported one.

  24. Wobblie
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Aloha FF , your finally catching on. The things we dont know about this virus will create hundreds of phds in the future. We dont know if it requires additional exposures for the virus to manifest itself again, or if like other viruses it hides at below detectable levels and some other cause triggers new symptoms. We are learning new things about combatting it everyday. It is the death cult which keeps blowing on the fire to make sue it spreads.

  25. Wobblie
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, how many other local super spreader events happened over the holiday? Pursuit of happiness and all that. MAGA

    https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2020/07/large-saline-house-party-causes-coronavirus-outbreak-in-washtenaw-county.html?utm_campaign=aanews_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1C-uesFKDEooKZ7cYyrZEPszGN8lGGAClPSy-xVnMD3yb4ZnZUEIcJV9I

  26. Wobblie
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, on the brighter side of things, I suspect a lot of Detroiters will be having a happy wake today. I plan on having a celebratory drink.

    https://www.crainsdetroit.com/obituaries/ambassador-bridge-owner-manuel-matty-moroun-dead-age-93?fbclid=IwAR3-oReIk4v7WBm8mLGRhpBksPBgVLtgsOkmAqKKYgMkwt2JOUW2Jr05_Vc#:~:text=Manuel%20%22Matty%22%20Moroun%2C%20a,son%2C%20Matthew%2C%20confirmed%20Monday

  27. iRobert
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Michigan announced 7 deaths from COVID-19 today.

    New York reported 41 deaths.

  28. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Evidence guides me. Lack of evidence raises flags too. Not happy to see recent evidence that bring my optimistic speculations into doubt but I accept pieces of evidence and adjust. If we get more super spreader evidence in already heavily hit spots that would also be a piece of evidence against my optimistic speculations. That is different from “starting to catch on”. That is, I understand the narrative about the virus. I am not adjusting to a narrative I do not understand. I stopped going to the gym 3 weeks before the NBA cancelled their games. I believed in masks when it was said they would not help. I looked at the ventilator situation and concluded we were going to be ok with ventilators. I predicted MI would get hit very hard based upon the positive/neg ratio.

    My latest speculations have been much more complex and I asked the MM.com community for help….It’s not a situation where I am becoming enlightened by you guys. Although I am learning about things I have never thought about prior to this virus….

  29. Wobblie
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Aloha FF , your comments earlier about China put the lie to your statement about evidence. Your political biases clearly determine what “evidence” you choose to believe. It was news to you about “reinfections”. Both China, Russia and S. Korea reported incidents as early as mid-April.
    Both China and Russia have had experiences in my life time where politics/ideology was primary. Mao’s Great Leap Forward caused millions of deaths and put the regime at risk. The USSR put ideology before science at Chyernoble , and the is no more. Both leaderships learned the lesson the Roman church learned over Galileo.
    Norway acted timely. Its Covid-19 peak of new cases was about 270 per day (7 day average) and the total deaths were some 250. The country has reopened and it now has under 10 new cases per day. The lockdown did not only prevent an out of control epidemic situation, it also stopped accidents from happening. Less stress led to fewer other incidents like heart attacks. In total the number of deaths declined. The morticians are seeking relief from the government because business fell off during the lockdown

  30. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think it is weird to bracket Chinese and Russia info. I think it is weird that you always give me China crap when I ask a question about the course of the infection that would be likely repeated in other places if it is actually true in China.

    South Korean reinfection reports were mixed and communicated with a high degree of uncertainty.

    Article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN22J0HR

    So to be clear: I do not trust the Chinese government at all. I think we are currently at war with China. Informational and economic war at least.

  31. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    I mean here is a question/challenge that I don’t know the answer to. Has there been a single death reported that has resulted from a reinfection scenario? We got an indication from the doctor in NJ that one reinfection resulted in worse symptoms. That is bad news. Anecdotal but still a piece of bad news.

  32. Lynne
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    It didn’t have to be this way. Bad national leadership!

    It is too bad that states cannot prevent people from coming in from other states. I mean, it would have left me stuck in California but it also would have allowed governors to halt travel. No matter how well a particular state does with this disease, we are always going to be at risk from the other states. I suspect that if Florida hospitals reach capacity as they nearly have, some older residents of the state will go to other states to live with relatives. Some of those people will likely be positive and will bring it along with them. They also may not all follow a 14-day quarantine after their arrival even when mandated since that is something very difficult to enforce.

    As much as I want to blame Donald Trump for this entirely, the truth is that he is just a symptom of the problem. The real problem is that a substantial number of people in our country are selfish assholes who have no interest in doing things to protect others.

    Meanwhile, Disney is reopening their parks and I just know that there are a-holes from Michigan who are going to go down there, pick up the disease, and bring it back. I guess I am going to stay in isolation for many months to come. yuck. The irony is that it is the same people who were protesting the shutdown who are the ones refusing to wear masks now and their behavior may result in another lockdown which is one way to deal with this virus that we know works!

    At least we learned something valuable from Sweden and their social experiment with staying open. We know that the effects of the virus itself have a similar negative economic effect as locking down does so there is NO REASON not to since locking down works and saves lives.

  33. Lynne
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    FF, as far as I know once a person has died, their chances of being reinfected are 0%

  34. iRobert
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Texas has reported 79 deaths today.

    38 states have reported deaths today.

  35. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Lynne,

    Sweden has more people and less covid less death than MI.

    I just glanced at their new cases and it appears very low.

    It’s weird listening to you guys spout stuff that is just not reflective of reality.

    Whether or not a person is an “a-hole” as you said, is relative. You have talked about engaging invbehavior that I consider stupidly risky and I don’t have your underlying conditions…

  36. Lynne
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    FF, I was making fun of your wording.

    Sweden is an interesting case. Yes, even open they did better than Michigan. It certainly is worth looking into why that is. I suspect things like cultural differences such as more people who live alone and a healthier society, in general, are two big factors there. I wonder about their rates of mask-wearing too and how many people are voluntarily self-isolating.

    I will admit that in early March (before the lockdown), I did not take things seriously enough but since then, I have barely engaged in any risky behaviors at all. (some socializing but outdoors, distant, and masked!) What gets me now is that we know masks work. We know this. At this point anyone who refuses to wear one is an asshole. There is no other reason not to wear a mask except for some very rare conditions.

    I think that is one mistake Whitmere has made. She should not allow ANY exceptions to the mask rule. People who can’t wear masks should be eligible for SS disability income and they should stay home. Stores should waive their curbside service fees for those who cannot mask up. Many already do. There simply is no excuse for putting others at risk like this.

    As I think back to my choices, although I do take responsibility for them, it is also true that I made those choices with different information than we have now. I also will note that had we had a situation where the travel insurance I bought had been forced to reimburse me instead of being allowed to not pay out for pandemics, I would have been more likely not to go. So there were some systemic issues related to my choice that could have been different had we had some good national leadership at the time. Even Dr Fauci was saying that it was ok to go about your normal business at the time I left for my trip as long as one increased handwashing and surface wiping which I did. We didn’t really know that it was as airborne as it was at the time.

  37. iRobert
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Sweden
    Population: 10,230,000
    Cases: 75,826
    Deaths: 5,536
    Largest metropolitan area:
    Stockholm – 2,200,000

    Michigan
    Population: 9,987,000
    Cases: 77,198
    Deaths: 6,321
    Largest metropolitan area:
    Detroit – 4,296,250

  38. iRobert
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    7-Day moving average of daily US deaths:

    July 4th: 518 (-37)
    July 5th: 516 (-2)
    July 6th: 517 (+1)
    July 7th: 556 (+39)
    July 8th: 585 (+29)
    July 9th: 625 (+40)
    July 10th: 657 (+32)
    July 11th: 723 (+66)
    July 12th: 740 (+17)
    July 13th: 753 (+13)

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 13, 2020 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Lynne,

    I was referring to your claim to be getting takeout because in your words you are lazy too cook and you also admitted to sitting at a bar Sidetrack (?) outside. I definitely try to avoid eating takeout and I would not sit outside at sidetrack. Just me. You are free to make your own decisions of course.

  40. Posted July 14, 2020 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    Florida’s COVID-19 statistics are understated in comparison to other states. DeSantis has been obstructing the full data from getting out publicly. He’s been doing this since early on. This is the Trumpanzee strategy with COVID-19…cover-up.

    From the Miami Harold (in May)

    Stop hiding true COVID-19 stats, Gov. DeSantis. Our lives are still at risk | Opinion

    https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article242557271.html

  41. Wobblie
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    Aloha iRobert, appreciate you doing some of the lifting, but you should also get over your sinophobia. All initial scientific evidence is preliminary until confirmed by others. When new evidence is discovered, real scientists share that info, so it can be confirmed and the discoverers can get a Nobel price.
    There is no evidence that Chinese scientist have done anything other than this in regards to covid. Only those motivated by politics or racism dismiss Chinese virological science.
    The death cult only cares about power. Since they mainly rely upon approved propaganda they will always be behind the curve. Notice today how CNN. Is promoting the “.achievement “ of “herd immunity” in some parts of New York, when Scientist know we dont even know if individual post infection immunity last for more than a few months. Scientist have been pointing out this reality for months, but it did not fit into the propaganda story, same goes for the creation of an effective and safe vaccine—6 years is realistic, any vaccine put out before adequate trials will have numerous adverse side effects (the 3 they are currently working on might work for the young, but might kill the more vulnerable).

  42. Kaitlan Collins by proxy
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Australia (population 25 million) has had 9,980 cases, according to data Monday from Johns Hopkins University.

    South Korea (population 51 million) has had 13,479 cases as of Monday.

    Florida (population 21 million) has had 282,435 cases as of Monday.

    https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1282860762596286465?s=20

  43. Bob
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    My biggest fear now is wondering what stunt will a desperate Trump pull? He’s not going to go down willingly in humiliating defeat, and that’s where it’s headed. Does he make some excuse about his health and drop out? Does he start world war three? Does he go full dictator and send the military in to run the polling places? What’s coming?

  44. Wobblie
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Aloha FF here is an analysis of how in the absence of long lasting immunity the rate of infection will assume the characteristics of a wave as immunity wains infections increase

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/07/what-to-do-if-covid-19-is-here-to-stay.html

  45. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/06/01/what-covid-19-prison-outbreaks-could-teach-us-about-herd-immunity

    Has anybody heard anything more about prison populations? I found it interesting that 95% showed no symptoms. It seems like a great thing to track.

  46. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/08/health/coronavirus-prisons-death-rates/index.html

    Is the writer of the article using the term death rate properly? It seems they are not giving the rate of death amongst those infected. Instead giving the rate of death amongst the general pop. Not sure. I wish I had time to look at prison populations. Some prisons had 80% infected….

  47. iRobert
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie, Chinese scientists are great. The Chinese government, however, lies about everything. They even lie about things when there is no apparent advantage to it. That is the culture of undemocratic societies. Scientists in China have been seeking asylum in the west so that they can report their actual and full findings.

  48. iRobert
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Florida is reporting at least 132 deaths today.

    Arizona is reporting 92 deaths today.

    Texas has yet to report, but will certainly have a high number as well.

  49. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-germany-lifts-travel-ban-on-sweden/a-54165757

    The idea that Sweden was a failure is false. There daily infection numbers are stabilized and low. Bigger than MI and less death.

  50. Wobblie
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Aloha. Interesting report on the explosion of the virus in Israel after they reopened schools. Evidence that children under 9 are relatively safe is pretty solid at this point. Above an indeterminate age of biological development you become an acceptable home for the virus. Younger infected are more likely to be asymptomatic.

  51. Wobblie
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/israeli-data-show-school-openings-were-a-disaster-that-wiped-out-lockdown-gains?scrolla=5eb6d68b7fedc32c19ef33b4

  52. Lynne
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    FF, I think Sidetrack is pretty low risk. When I went, the new cases in Michigan were low, we were sitting outside. They rearranged the tables so they are 6 feet apart. The staff wear masks and so does everyone else unless they are sitting at the table. They are currently shut down out of an abundance of caution because they had a staff member test positive. I can accept that perhaps it was too soon even for that kind of opening but even so, low risk. I will be surprised if any customers of Sidetrack got infected.

    As for carryout. COVID is not a foodborne illness. So picking up food from a drive-thru where the staff is wearing masks and also have a plexiglass barrier OR having food delivered with contactless delivery is low risk. About the same as picking up groceries curbside or having them delivered (which I also do). I take the usual precautions of spraying hand sanitizer whenever I have contact with something touched by someone else and washing my hands a lot.

    I also have been socializing with my family and some friends outdoors. Either distanced or masked. Again, very low risk. I am pretty careful about this too and am using zoom to socialize with those I am not sure are masking up when they have to go out

    I keep thinking about this case where over a hundred people were exposed in an indoor close contact setting (hair salon) and not one customer was infected. Is this because masks are effective at preventing a COVID positive person from spreading the disease?

    https://www.livescience.com/hair-stylists-infected-covid19-face-masks.html

  53. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Lynne have you never worked in a kitchen? The highest risk of Take-out is the risk to the staff. Ask yourself is Lynne willing to meet 10 random people in a kitchen work alongside them for 8 hours. While every few minutes a few of the ten kitchen workers makes contact with a different random customer? There is a reason why eating out is much more expensive than buying food and preparing it yourself. Restaurants are labor intensive. Stocking your shelves and cooking at home reduces risk.

    Under the conditions you describe you are not risking yourself much but you are risking others because you are as you already said—lazy.

    #princesslynne

  54. Lynne
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    FF, Even though Sweden did better than Michigan, I think the real question is how Sweden compared to other countries with similar cultures and populations. When compared to other Nordic countries, Sweden had many more deaths. I am not going to say that Sweden failed since in many ways they did not but their choice not to close down gives us some valuable information especially when you compare them to other similar nations. Looking at Sweden compared with other Nordic nations, we can see that the shutdowns are effective and also that they don’t seem to harm the economy more than staying open with the disease does.

    FWIW, I am 100% in favor of the USA copying the things that allowed Sweden to stay open with less suffering than Michigan had while shut down. Things like universal health care, a really super good social safety net, encouraging people to live alone, etc.

  55. Lynne
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    FF I have worked in a restaurant. I am operating under the presumption that employers are taking measures to ensure the safety of their workers. Even indoors, masks are highly effective it seems. They already should be washing their hands frequently. From what I have seen at the restaurants where I can get a glimpse of the kitchen staff, everyone is masked up.

    This btw, is one reason why I wish we had a UBI. I do worry that there are workers out there who are working in unsafe conditions and those people should have the freedom to quit those jobs and stay home if they want to without suffering financially. I think workers should be able to stay home even if they just don’t like wearing masks in a hot kitchen.

  56. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Would you be willing to take on the specific risk of an average kitchen though? What about if you did not have underlying conditions?

  57. Lynne
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    FF, if I did not have underlying health conditions, I would be willing to risk working in a restaurant kitchen if my employer was ensuring that everyone was wearing a mask at all times. I mean I would if I didn’t hate cooking so much.

    With my co-morbidities however, I would not be willing to take on that risk. I am ok with the level of risk of ordering takeout/delivery.

  58. iRobert
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    FF: “The idea that Sweden was a failure is false.“

    Really? How is it not a failure when it’s immediate neighbor demonstrated such a favorable outcome?

    Norway
    Population: 5,422,579
    Cases: 8,988
    Deaths: 253

    Sweden
    Population: 10,101,805
    Cases: 76,001
    Deaths: 5,545
    Largest metropolitan area:
    Stockholm – 2,200,000

    Michigan
    Population: 9,987,000
    Cases: 77,198
    Deaths: 6,321
    Largest metropolitan area:
    Detroit – 4,296,250

    You seem to believe Michigan has failed terribly. Do you see the stats aren’t that dramatically far off of what Sweden’s stats? I’ve also included a little clue so that you might understand why Michigan’s numbers were so bad.

  59. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    iRobert,

    A big part of the reason I talk about MI, NY, FL, and Sweden is that I am trying to assess MI. I hear a lot people simultaneously praising Gretchen and putting down FL and Sweden. Likewise praise is given to Cuomo and DeSantis is painted as incompetent—and that is an even more outrageous assessment…

    Look at this way: If someone told you could have less death, keep businesses open, and keep children in school then would you do it? Of course.

    The four countries around Sweden have very low numbers. I am assuming there was an economic cost in those countries and I wonder if they have just delayed the inevitable and or shifted the harm that would have been attributed to Covid into other places?

    I am particularly sensitive to the no school thing. It is going to have some seriously bad consequences for the little ones especially.

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Why are Florida testing centers giving false numbers?

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 14, 2020 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    That’s right, bitch. I’m not lying when I say every single thing you say falls apart.

    https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/floridas-recent-record-day-for-covid19-might-not-have-been-quite-that-high/67-81f73199-c283-4b27-8a48-389c8c5b3d9a

  62. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 6:00 am | Permalink

    Normally, a competent government would be collecting, confirming and reporting the accurate numbers, HW. We have no mobilization on the federal level. Nor does Florida have mobilization on the state level.

    FF, New York and Michigan were hit early with widespread and rapid spread. The governors of New York and Michigan have been praised for taking action, which is in dramatic contrast to our pathetic federal government, which is where the mobilization and leadership on national emergencies has always come from historically.

  63. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    The US death toll for the last 24-hour reporting period was 935, bringing the total to 139,162.

  64. Wobblie
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Aloha the death cult is thrashing about desperately. This weeks scape goat is Fauci, and the CDC. Being desperate they will begin cannablizing themselves , witness HW latest pathetic attempt to throw DeSantis under the bus. If he could do math he would understand that reporting daily from multiple sources creates lags, but does not alter the sum number (you remember SUMS most of us learned addition by 2nd grade )
    The way we are doing resting, and the huge backlog created as a result of Trumps task force failing to o mobilize and coordinate is creating huge delays in reporting tests. MAGA , it is just like the flu its all China’s fault —-fill in this weeks scape goat

  65. EOS
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    The actions that the governors of Michigan and New York took resulted in a significant number of deaths in nursing homes. Too bad they didn’t work with legislatures to make rational decisions, but instead chose to act like tyrants.

  66. Anonymous
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/15/coronavirus-nursing-homes-361510

    About those nursing homes…

  67. Lynne
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    EOS, mistakes were made to be sure but I am confident that people like Whitmer will learn from them. It is interesting that you are trying to paint her as a tyrant when she clearly is not and also clearly is doing what needs to be done to keep Michiganders as safe as possible.

  68. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Vague guy,

    Are you levying an argument? Can you spell out the argument you are making?

  69. Anonymous
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/terrifying-next-phase-coronavirus-recession/614140/

    Oops!

  70. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    “Normally, a competent government would be collecting, confirming and reporting the accurate numbers, HW. We have no mobilization on the federal level. Nor does Florida have mobilization on the state level.”

    You are just making this shit up.

  71. Wobblie
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Aloha “your just making this shit up“ says the sycophant who is only capable of repeating the very stable genius’s lies. Floridas 132 reported deaths yesterday were a record for the state. MAGA

  72. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Too bad the reporting is complete garbage. Testing centers with 98% positives? Fuck you.

  73. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Were you living in a cave up until 2016, HW? Apparently, you haven’t been paying attention to how the federal government normally operates. It is only with this bizarre and absolutely incompetent administration that nothing is being done as it normally is on the federal level.

    Mobilizing for the big challenges is what federal government is for. It’s its primary purpose and reason for existing.

    I don’t have to make up what any person could observe for themselves prior to 2017.

  74. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Florida has reported another 112 deaths over the most recent 24-hour reporting period.

    Michigan has reported 4.

    Arizona reported 97.

    Alabama reported 47.

    I want to emphasize the word REPORTED. Because it seems the Trumpanzees didn’t realize cases and deaths are REPORTED when that information reaches the departments and institutions which are tabulating them. That may be on the same day in some instances. It may be the next day in some instances. It may be after a few days in some instances. Again, we are relying on thousands of different sources each tabulating and reporting by means and under circumstances specific to each of them. Also, there is no federal mobilization to perform these functions, and in states run by moron Trumpanzees, there is little help with this coming from the state governments.

  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    How has there ever been a mobilization in response to a pandemic like the one the President is leading? Testing, PPE, retrofitted facilities, and pop-up facilities in spades. The Covid death rate is plummeting due to the testing. Decisive and unpopular action on China and worldwide travel nipped this shit in the bud. Keep on with your propaganda though.

  76. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    HW: “The Covid death rate is plummeting due to the testing.”

    How is this “plummeting” in your twisted mind?

    July 4th: 518
    July 5th: 516
    July 6th: 517
    July 7th: 556
    July 8th: 585
    July 9th: 625
    July 10th: 657
    July 11th: 723
    July 12th: 740
    July 13th: 752
    July 14th: 743

  77. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Those are the 7-Day moving averages of daily US deaths. The 7-day average is going up noticeably.

    Positive test totals have been going up for weeks, and hospitalizations have been going up for a week or more. This is how people who aren’t stupid Trumpanzees knew deaths were about to reflect those surges in cases and hospitalizations.

    Pull your heads out of your Trumpanzee asses!

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    The RATE, which is what I said is way, way down. Think about it, iDerp.

  79. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    The RATE is going up, dumbass. Post your numbers.

  80. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    The fatality rate of the virus was down because the average age of people testing positive was going down. That’s changing now. All those multitudes of younger people who are carrying the virus are spreading it to vulnerable individuals now. That’s pushing the fatality rate back up again. The lag factors are what makes the fatality rate drop. The hospitalizations and deaths have put an end to that drop and have started the rise of the fatality rate back toward what it is in actuality with this virus.

  81. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    To illustrate, imagine an island with 100 people on it. Imagine one person bringing the virus to the island and infecting 25 people. At that moment the virus appears to have a zero fatality rate.

    Two weeks later 5 people are hospitalized and 1 dies. Now the fatality rate is 4%.

    Now let’s say 4 weeks after initial infection, a second person dies. So now it appears the fatality rate is 8%.

    But let’s then say 25 more people test positive, meaning a total of 50 people of the 100 total on the island have gotten the virus. This reduces the fatality rate to 4%.

    Some might believe this means the fatality rate of the virus has reduced through mutation or some other factors.

    But when 2 more people die, the actual fatality rate makes itself known again. It’s just lag that made it appear to go down.

  82. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    I have to say, I especially like EOS’s approach. He does everything he can to keep himself safe, but supports leaders and decisions which get others killed.

    I like that because I think it is a very vivid demonstration of the mindset of Republicans. Save your own ass and to hell with everyone else.

    Very Christian.

  83. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Derp

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/health/coronavirus-mortality-testing.html

    And yet the virus appears to be killing fewer of the people it infects. In April and May, Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, led to as many as 3,000 deaths per day, and claimed the lives of roughly 7 to 8 percent of Americans known to have been infected. The number of daily deaths is now closer to 600, and the death rate is less than 5 percent.

  84. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Derpity derp

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2248813-why-are-us-coronavirus-deaths-going-down-as-covid-19-cases-soar/

    Having plateaued at around 20,000 in May, the number of daily confirmed cases in the US began rising in June and has now exceeded 60,000. However, the number of deaths in the US reported as being due to covid-19 has fallen from more than 3000 a day in mid-April to well under 1000.

    Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2248813-why-are-us-coronavirus-deaths-going-down-as-covid-19-cases-soar/#ixzz6SIStVTNo

  85. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Derpity derp

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2248813-why-are-us-coronavirus-deaths-going-down-as-covid-19-cases-soar/

    Having plateaued at around 20,000 in May, the number of daily confirmed cases in the US began rising in June and has now exceeded 60,000. However, the number of deaths in the US reported as being due to covid-19 has fallen from more than 3000 a day in mid-April to well under 1000.

  86. Anonymous
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    It’s important to remember that the main reason HW is here is to prove that he is right and that people who disagree with him are wrong. It doesn’t matter as to the substance of the discussion, he just wants to “own” the discussion and use the word “derp” as often as possible. This antagonistic persona may in fact be a personality disorder, in which case it’s beyond conscious control, and we should extend him a modicum of sympathy.

  87. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like some major derpage from the NYT on that “under 5%” number. Slate says .5-1% in June. It has gone down from there with massive testing and much lower deaths still.

    https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/covid-death-rate-declining-explained.html

    Right now, as science journalist Smriti Mallapaty outlines in Nature, estimates for the overall case fatality rate for the coronavirus are converging around 0.5-1 percent.

  88. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    I am here to dispel lies and promote reason. That is why I am here. If you lie and disparage me while you are at even then you are going to get caught up in being exposed. Too bad crybaby. It doesn’t work to be like “that HW…always being RIGHT!!! Who does he think he is???” No one is going to feel sorry for you that you are consistently exposed as a liar and a slimer.

  89. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    *while you are at it even*

  90. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    That article isn’t almost weeks weeks old.

    The viruses fatality rate has always been known to be far below 8%.

    The Chinese were reporting 4% initially, but the rate proved to be far lower than that when the infected are quickly identified and properly treated.

    Intelligent people don’t waste time talking about imaginary fatality rates which are purely the creation of limited testing. The stupid media loves to get excited about meaningless bullshit. If nobody had ever been tested for COVID-19 except the people who died from it the sensationalist media would talk about the virus having a 100% fatality rate. Mostly it’s because people in the media are stupid.

    I only talk about the estimated actual fatality rate of the virus. That rate is something around 1% or lower where the best treatment is provided as a standard.

  91. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    It’s way lower than 1% now in the USA. It already was in June and it’s still going down as testing increases. The more non-fatal cases that are known (through massively increased testing of hundreds of thousands a day now) compared to fatal ones the lower the…fatality rate. correct?

  92. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know how autocorrect fucked me up so bad on that first sentence. I didn’t mean to type, “That article isn’t almost weeks weeks old.”

    This is what I meant to say:

    That article is almost a week old.

    Anyway, the rise in deaths is going to bring that artificially lowered fatality rate back up to somewhere in the real range of fatality from the virus. Like you said, it’s somewhere between 0.5% and 1%, depending on how well we quickly identify and treat all those infected.

    By the way, I call everybody names because that’s the age we’re living in now isn’t it? Especially on the Internet. We have a president that does it, and he’s really just a reflection of the cultural sickness dramatically worsened by the Internet.

  93. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Why is the Slimes saying “under 5%” then? I’d say that is Fake News. Technically true in a sneaky way but misleading.

  94. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    The New Scientist article I posted is from yesterday.

  95. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Massive testing doesn’t change the actual fatality rate of the virus. No serious person is the least bit interested in anything but the actual fatality rate of the virus.

    People trying to sensationalize the fatality rate by using artificially high or low percentages arrived at by using arbitrary testing numbers, are just being distracting and stupid. So obviously the press does it constantly.

  96. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    One of the most significant factors which does increase the actual fatality rate of the virus is the failure of leadership to keep hospitals and medical staff from being overwhelmed. When they are overwhelmed, the actual fatality rate goes up.

    The idiots governing Florida, Texas, Arizona, and a number of other states, still haven’t done the necessary things to prevent hospitals and medical staff from being overwhelmed.

  97. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think you know what the word ‘rate’ means. Not in this case. The “coronavirus death rate” is the percent of people infected with coronavirus who die. It actually should be people who die FROM coronavirus, Officials want to use people with co-morbidities who tested positive but probably died from something else so no doubt the death rate is padded as it is.

  98. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    No, there is an actual fatality rate of the virus. It’s a range really. That range runs from a low end which represents how many die if everyone infected gets the best care, to a high end which represents how many die if nothing is done to assist any of the infected.

    No serious person gives a shit about hyped and exaggerated numbers which are the product of lag. Only assholes who want to push a bullshit narrative and want to sensationalize talk about that as being the fatality rate. The assholes who want to inflate the rate get excited when the low number of test provide the opportunity to do that. The other assholes who want to understate the rate get excited when massive testing provides the opportunity to do that.

  99. Posted July 15, 2020 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html

    (From The NYT)

    It’s funny to me that these dumbass Trumpanzees didn’t think of doing this from the outset.

  100. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    By the way, HW, remember the IHME?

    They’re now projecting 224,089 deaths by November 1st, and projecting it will continue rising after that. So that isn’t their projection of the total to be killed.

  101. Wobblie
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, What I got out of the parts of HW discussion is how much better things are since hundreds of thousands of people are becoming infected the gross fatality rate is falling. When the Trumpers are reduced to defending the body count of the catastrophe they created we know their days are numbered.

    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3666

  102. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    “That range runs from a low end which represents how many die if everyone infected gets the best care, to a high end which represents how many die if nothing is done to assist any of the infected.”

    What. In. The. Fuck.

  103. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    “since hundreds of thousands of people are becoming infected the gross fatality rate is falling.”

    You are too stupid to talk about things of this nature. More tests = more cases KNOWN, not necessarily more infected. More cases but fewer deaths = lower fatality rate.

  104. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    “the Trumpers are reduced to defending the body count of the catastrophe they created ”

    I can’t wait till people like you cannot do this stupid shit anymore without suffergin overwhelming social condemnation.

  105. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    HW, I don’t think you comprehend the difference between the actual fatality rate of the virus and the somewhat meaningless fatality rate which one derives from dividing a death total which lags by many weeks by an arbitrary number of positive cases.

  106. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Prove it. Show me one thing on the web that substantiates your stupid claim.

  107. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    There should be no need to even discuss this let alone rebuke such a stupid attack on…everyone. It’s an attack on reason itself. Wtf.

    Death rate overestimated due to not knowing all cases. See how that adds up to what I am trying to tell you? More tests = lower rate. The ‘COVID Death Rate’ is in fact the number of cases divided by the deaths. That’s what is means when you read articles using that term. Whatever the fuck you said it is is not it.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

    Coronavirus (COVID-19) Mortality Rate

    Last updated: May 14, 22:00 GMT

    Introduction
    When calculating the mortality rate, we need:

    The number of actual cases. We need to know the number of actual cases (not merely the reported ones, which are typically only a small portion of the actual ones) that have already had an outcome (positive or negative: recovery or death), not the current cases that still have to resolve (the case sample shall contain zero active cases and include only “closed” cases).
    The number of actual deaths related to the closed cases examined above.
    Considering that a large number of cases are asymptomatic (or present with very mild symptoms) and that testing has not been performed on the entire population, only a fraction of the SARS-CoV-2 infected population is detected, confirmed through a laboratory test, and officially reported as a COVID-19 case. The number of actual cases is therefore estimated to be at several multiples above the number of reported cases. The number of deaths also tends to be underestimated, as some patients are not hospitalized and not tested.

    If we base our calculation (deaths / cases) on the number of reported cases (rather than on the actual ones), we will greatly overestimate the fatality rate.

  108. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    HW: “You are too stupid to talk about things of this nature.”

    …says the guy who doesn’t know the federal government has always served the function of mobilizing during national emergencies.

    HW: “More tests = more cases KNOWN, not necessarily more infected.”

    More tests does produce a higher number of individuals known to be infected, obviously. What is the point you were trying to make here?

    HW: “More cases but fewer deaths = lower fatality rate.”

    The actual fatality rate is how many of all cases result in fatality, not how many have so far. If a state has a million positive cases today, and ultimately 10,000 of those cases will end in death, but only 1,000 have died so far, the fatality rate as you identify it would be 0.1%. But the actual fatality rate is 1%.

    That’s what you’re doing now. You are coming up with a supposed fatality rate basing your figure on a number of deaths which is many weeks from it’s ultimate total, and dividing it by a vast number of new cases which is a result of exponential spread. That number is also determined very arbitrarily due to the totally variable number of tests being done, the accuracy of tests, and many other very variable factors.

    There are methods for pinpointing the actual fatality rate of a virus. Comparing current exponentially multiplying numbers against death numbers which are lagging by many weeks is ridiculous.

    Calling anyone stupid and then kidding yourself that you are using a meaningful “fatality rate” is just mind-blowing. I realize your favorite media sources are using that idiocy to push a narrative, but that doesn’t make it any less idiotic.

  109. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Show the numbers you see being used to make the case that the fatality rate of this virus is plummeting.

    Show the numerator and denominator being used.

    The idiots that are saying the fatality rate is dropping are using exploding current positive cases and current death totals.

  110. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    By the way…

    HW: “The ‘COVID Death Rate’ is in fact the number of cases divided by the deaths.”

    No, it’s number of deaths decided by number of cases.

  111. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    No, it’s number of deaths divided by number of cases.

    …is what I intended to type

  112. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    “…says the guy who doesn’t know the federal government has always served the function of mobilizing during national emergencies.”

    Based on what? Bullshit. You are only trolling now. You aren’t even trying to speak to reality. It’s like “Just make shit up. That’ll piss him off.”

  113. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    What exactly do you think I made up?

  114. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    “number of deaths divided by number of cases.”

    Right, my mistake. So you see now, right? Like I said the more cases the lower the death rate. What the fuck were you trying to say it was again?

  115. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Obviously I was referring to what I quoted you pathetic troll. Are you seriously that fucking dumb?

  116. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    By the way, WorldOMeter estimates the fatality rate of the virus to be 1.4%

    Here’s what they say:

    “Infection Fatality Rate (23k / 1.7M = 1.4% IFR)
    Actual Cases with an outcome as of May 1 = estimated actual recovered (1,671,351) + estimated actual deaths (23,430) = 1,694,781.

    Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) = Deaths / Cases = 23,430 / 1,694,781 = 1.4% (1.4% of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 have a fatal outcome, while 98.6% recover).”

  117. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    I think you’re more the troll here, HW. If anything, I’m just counter-trolling a troll.

  118. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    HW: “Obviously I was referring to what I quoted you pathetic troll. Are you seriously that fucking dumb?”

    So are you suggesting the federal government has not historically been the mobilizing force when major emergencies face the nation? You’re saying I made that up?

  119. Wobblie
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, the death cult does not care about future consequences. We don’t know shit about the virus (oh wait—its just like the flu). A third of all children being tested in Florida are coming back positive. Which about matches the over 10 age group cohort. In another 2 to 3 weeks the bodies of children will start making up a larger portion of the dead. They know this. Getting control of the information flow is critical.

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are?amp&fbclid=IwAR2byJ5CU4ts-iXlv0Yv_MoNCUzanlTuCB_TjiNb_01A7WVSTapFzT3gJ0Y

  120. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    After yesterday’s US total of 935, today’s was even higher at 997. The daily average continues to go up.

    7-Day moving averages of daily US deaths

    July 4th: 518
    July 5th: 516
    July 6th: 517
    July 7th: 556
    July 8th: 585
    July 9th: 625
    July 10th: 657
    July 11th: 723
    July 12th: 740
    July 13th: 752
    July 14th: 743
    July 15th: 760

  121. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 15, 2020 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    “So are you suggesting the federal government has not historically been the mobilizing force when major emergencies face the nation? You’re saying I made that up?”

    YOU said I didn’t know this, dick. That’s part of what I quoted from you in my response.

    You know one of the things that have pissed me off the most in life is when people say things that don’t make sense but expect me to believe it, especially when they are a major dickhead about it and act like I am the idiot.

  122. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 4:12 am | Permalink

    So you are saying you DO know that the federal government has historically mobilized during times of major emergencies? Do you acknowledge hasn’t been happening during this current administration?

    It really seems unclear what you realize about this.

  123. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Florida reported 156 deaths in the last 24 hours.

    DeSantis is doing a great job.

  124. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    “So you are saying you DO know that the federal government has historically mobilized during times of major emergencies? Do you acknowledge hasn’t been happening during this current administration?
    It really seems unclear what you realize about this.”

    Read my replies, troll. Why are you even asking me about that anyway? It sounds so moronic to just start harping on some random thing like that and if someone “realizes it” or not. What the fuck is wrong with you? What happened to that bizarre attempt to define “covid death rate” and berate me while you were at it? You fucked up and now you are going to go full gaslighter? Good stuff there.

  125. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    no, I’m still trying to get a clear statement from you about your understanding regarding the federal government’s historical role in mobilizing during national emergencies. You have dodged explaining what you understand about it. It appears you initially said I was making up the fact that that the federal government historically mobilized whenever the country faced a national emergency. You don’t seem able or willing to discuss it.

    Previous administrations have never failed so completely to spearhead the mobilization in times of national emergency. It was so standard, states were completely blindsided by this administration’s complete failure to do most of the basic things which have always been the standard.

    If you want to have a name calling cane, I’ll be up for that too. But I don’t want to help you use that to dodge clarifying on this subject.

  126. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    If you want to have a name calling game, I’ll be up for that too. But I don’t want to help you use that to dodge clarifying on this subject.

  127. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    “I’m still trying to get a clear statement from you about your understanding regarding the federal government’s historical role in mobilizing during national emergencies. ”

    Why? Sounds like you are randomly changing the subject because your bitch ass got smoked.

  128. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    I pointed out a number of things in the beginning that contradict your stupid insinuating narrative about federal responses. The President’s response to coronavirus has been tremendous in all the areas I wrote about. Try your best to keep up.

  129. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure that’s what you need to tell yourself. And being high all the time probably helps you to believe it.

    But you’re still dodging.

    The federal government has historically been the driving force of mobilization in times of national threat and emergency. I thought the federal response to hurricanes during the Bush Administration was the weakest example I’d ever see. But this entire 3 and a half years of the Bizarre Clown administration has blown all previous failure out of the water.

    You can’t even talk about the mobilization previous administrations have initiated and maintained in times of threat and national emergency. Just talking about it reveals what a failure your mentally ill hero and his band of kiss-ass shitheads have been.

    You can’t discuss the topic any more than EOS can discuss the topic of what competence looks like and examples of when he’s ever witnessed it in his personal experience.

    I’ll go back to ripping you up on your failure to understand concepts relating to the fatality rate of the virus after we finish with this subject.

    Then I’ll proceed to the name calling and personal humiliation in which you seem to feel so interested in engaging.

  130. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    You claimed I don’t understand something. I said based on what? You gave no rationale. You randomly claimed “…says the guy who doesn’t know the federal government has always served the function of mobilizing during national emergencies.” You are just shitting that out with no basis whatsoever. When did I ever indicate such a stupid thing as you claim?

  131. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    You are the moron that can’t understand a simple thing like the death rate of a disease. Here you are though trying to act like I don’t understand. It’s the same with all you low level propaganda spewing fools. When the facts are staring you in the face you simply refuse to accept reality and continue in the same wrong direction. Exactly like a cult you try to destroy anyone who threatens your belief system with true knowledge.

  132. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Do you believe states have traditionally left everything up to the omnipotent FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? Do you think that behavior would be consistent with the idea of the United STATES of America? Should we do away with state and local government and let Big Brother take care of us? You support people who want to go farther than that and do away with our national borders altogether so I think in contrast to your moronic line of questioning these questions are quite relevant.

  133. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    To clarify so you don’t think I am saying you destroy anyone by using true knowledge: you attack people who use true knowledge. You can’t defend your bizarre explanation of a commonly understood term so you make another bizarre accusation about me to try to get me to shut up about it I guess. Just fuck you and all of you NPC propaganda-bots.

  134. Lynne
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    HW, you are making yourself look foolish. I mean I get it. It is because you are in a cult and engage in cult follower type thinking and I also get that you can’t see this in yourself. But sometimes I think it is helpful for people like you to get a little reality feedback now and again.

  135. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Generally speaking I think Trump was right to leave a lot of the decisions up to the states. It was the exact right thing to do. With exceptions. One thing that still seems very strange is the N95 mask shortage that went on forever. It might still be going on… Wtf? Like he did with the ventilators Trump should have set it up and mass produced them. I have been a user of quality disposal masks for about 5 years. There is a huge difference between the good disposable masks and the crappy ones in terms of fit and comfort….

  136. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Keep avoiding that factual information, Lynne. Keep gaslighting. It works so well. Every single time you engage me on something factual you get burned bad. You never have been able to give one example of a time when you proved me wrong with something verifiable. It’s nearly all toxic rants from you so it’s rare you have to deal with facts. That’s the only reason you can keep posting about me like that.

  137. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Time has been proving you wrong over and over, HW.

  138. Lynne
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    HW, yeah you seem delusional to me. Facts don’t matter to you. I don’t think you have the ability to know what is a fact or not. You have never burned me. All you do is sound more and more like a member of a death cult set to drink the COVID koolaid.

  139. Lynne
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    FF, I think a strategy to leave things up to governors would have been ok but only if there had been a national mandate banning interstate travel.

  140. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    We’re all still waiting on those tens of thousands of indictments to be unsealed. When will you acknowledge you were suckered by a manipulation on that? Will you ever address it?

    You called names when I made what proved to be accurate projections about the continued worsening of the pandemic here in the US and the continuing mounting death toll. You’ve essentially bought every stupid thing your mentally ill hero has spewed.

  141. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    I asked you to provide the numbers you were using to say the fatality rate of the virus was going down. You never provided shit. You just defer to media which doesn’t provide any explanation but to say the positive tests are rising and deaths haven’t at the same rate.

  142. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    That’s the equation, dumbfuck. More cases, fewer deaths = lower death rate. If an increase in deaths outpaced an increase in cases or a decrease then the death rate would go up. What the fuck is wrong with you that you can’t understand that? What is really fucking wrong with you that you are haranguing someone on the web about YOUR misunderstanding?

  143. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    “Lynne
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 5:36 pm | Permalink
    HW, yeah you seem delusional to me. Facts don’t matter to you. I don’t think you have the ability to know what is a fact or not. You have never burned me. All you do is sound more and more like a member of a death cult set to drink the COVID koolaid.”

    Ironically you make a non-factual argument. It is a fact however that you have never produced one instance when asked of you proving me wrong with verifiable facts.

  144. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    “Time has been proving you wrong over and over, HW.”

    For example?

  145. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    I just proved you to be mentally incompetent, iDerp. You did it yourself actually but for some reason you are trying to disparage me at the same time.

    You constructed some kind of interpretation of what a diseases death rate is but it’s not correct. For some reason you seem to think your claim that there is no federal or Floridian response to covid is a fact when I easily dispelled that idea.

  146. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    The infection fatality rate is a variable we can only estimate. And it isn’t derived at by using the arbitrary positive test result totals and death totals which are lagging behind the positive test totals by several weeks. Do you not understand what I’m saying, dumbfuck?

  147. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    What is the exact “death rate” by your calculation?

    Can you answer with a number?

  148. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Me: “Time has been proving you wrong over and over, HW.”

    HW: “For example?”

    The two fucking examples I just mention, dumbfuck!
    Time has proven you wrong on the sealed indictments, and it’s proven you wrong on your low estimates of how many people this virus would kill.

    Shall I say it again in a few comments so your drug-addled brain can commit it to short term memory.

  149. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Not proven wrong by a long shot. There was another major indictment last week. Pretty sure there is a grand jury in the case like I said there would be about many more. This is the beginning. Maxwell leads directly to Bill and Hillary and so many more. It will happen, watch. Then you will be forced to admit you are one of the many destructive dumbfuck derps who defended these people.

    When did *I* estimate covid deaths? You better use quotes or shut the fuck up and apologize for being a piece of shit.

  150. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    I don’t use drugs you dumb motherfucker. I smoke mother nature’s finest herb. I could smoke any amount and still easily destroy your stupid claims. It doesn’t matter one bit. The anti-weeed sentiment around here is weird.

  151. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    138,000 deaths divided by 3,530,000 cases is .039. That is the death rate based on ALL DEATHS INVOLVING covid, not deaths attributed solely to covid. Using proper numbers the rate would be lower.

  152. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for proving what a moron you are, HW. That’s all I was asking.

  153. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Your fantasy world is crumbling, jerkoff.

    You’re going to need to up your dosage, dope fiend.

  154. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Oh my god I can’t believe how stupid you are. You can’t even articulate what you are trying to say or give a SINGLE PIECE of supporting evidence. Incredible in the most literal sense of the word. The death rate is well under half a percent according to official numbers. That is a fact. I don’t know what is wrong with people like you but it is fucked.

  155. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    When people say ‘dope fiend’ usually they mean heroin junkie. Only dumb motherfuckers would say that about weeed. You are Hearst’s bitch over eighty years later. Reefer Madness yeeeah!

  156. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    HW: “The death rate is well under half a percent according to official numbers.”

    Is that why you said it is 0.039? Do you think 0.039 is “under half a percent?”

    That would make sense in the mind of a deranged addict I guess.

  157. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    By the way, one indictment was unsealed this week. Outvof how many sealed indictments? What is it, 80,000?

    You’ve been suckered by the Qanon con, bruh.

  158. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    So it’s officially 3.9%. Too bad that is inflated in the extreme. Test everyone and what happens? All of a sudden your rate is fucked.

  159. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    It’s amazing you can’t see how fucked you are. Your politicians were literally in bed with Jeffy and Ghizzy, not to mention the other maaajor major figures from all over the place.

  160. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Are you arguing with yourself now, HW?

    One unsealed indictment out of how many tens of thousands you’ve claimed were going to be. You’re such a nut. I wonder if you’re more of less crazy without the constant buzz.

  161. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    I am the one who talked about this years ago and triggered the absolute shit out of all the derpii here. Now it’s going down in public. Your ridicule fails. I was talking about it looong before Q so to me Q is confirmation of what I strongly suspected for many years plus much more. It’s beginning to pan out right now so for you this is the beginning of getting majorly fucked.

  162. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if you are more, or less, crazy when you’re not high as a kite.

    It’s Dumbfuck Day, HW, all across the southern US. Remember that one? How are you celebrating? Oh, never mind. We all know how you’re celebrating.

  163. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    One Thing Leads To Another. That’s not the only one either obviously, you lying piece of shit. NXIVM was also MAJORLY CONNECTED to many elite players. Serious corroboration with what I said all along there and now this Maxwell trial is coming.

    Derps on the other hand are well and truly fucked on everything you have said: Russia, Trump will ruin economy, start WWIII, etc.

  164. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    I already pointed out there are labs putting out false data. Who is to say it is not widespread? What is the false positive rate? People who die from something else but tested positive so are called a covid death? That is the official policy.

  165. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    You still haven’t even attempted to back up your claims about what I am supposed to have said. It’s truly moronic the way you behave.

  166. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Your fantasy world is crumbling. I’m sure on some level of consciousness you sense that. It’s making you anxious. That’s why I think you’ll need to up the dose, bruh.

  167. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Bullshit. You can’t even back up what you say. I can and do. Democrat governors forced patients to nursing homes and thousands died! Phony numbers and many many of those deaths were because of your party leaders.

    100 – 200 thousand was the low end of this outbreak. Huh! Here we are and the deaths are still way down from the peak and it’s not going up fast enough for you to get off on it.

  168. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Yeah let me inject some of this weeed extract…into my eyeball. Like wow, man.

  169. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Sex traffickers are getting arrested on a regular basis. Only a freak doesn’t know that’s not a new thing. I don’t see that there’s any way to talk you out of your bizarre fantasy. You’re only coming out of it the hard way, and that won’t leave you in a better place psychologically.

    I hope you’re able to function somewhat normally otherwise.

  170. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Did I say it is new? Don’t you see how weak it is to use fallacies?

    How come Ghizzy and Jeffy were left alone by Obama and everyone else but arrested during the Trump era?

  171. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Only because the threat is being used as a tool for the moment. Nothing will actually come of it.

    The Qanon con is coming to a close soon. It’s alnost played out now. You’ll have to shift your fantasy onto something else.

  172. iRobert
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Trump’s installment was a psych-op and it served purposes no Trump supporter understands. Politics is so much about manipulation.

  173. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    It’s not a threat. It’s the beginning of a difficult time for people like you. Difficult for everyone who has chosen to remain ignorant.

    Ghizzy has the goods on everyone. I bet Bill wishes he was dead. Hill probably does too (wish Bill dead).

  174. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 16, 2020 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    You didn’t answer why everyone else left them alone.

  175. iRobert
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 4:47 am | Permalink

    For the same reasons all the biggest sex traffickers are being left alone now, dumbass.

  176. iRobert
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 4:51 am | Permalink

    In case your high-ass hasn’t noticed, Epstein and Ghizzy haven’t been among the many major sex traffickers in years. Sex trafficking is as massive a global criminal enterprise as it’s ever been.

    Do you see any other major sex traffickers being arrested? You’re such a dipshit.

  177. Wobblie
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW’s delusions about Maxwell Are right up their with his delusions about Assange. Remember how HW was saying Trump wants Assange extradited to “protect” him. Of course that explains why Barr has never requested a justice department interview with him.

  178. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    “iRobert
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 4:47 am | Permalink
    For the same reasons all the biggest sex traffickers are being left alone now, dumbass.
    iRobert
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 4:51 am | Permalink
    In case your high-ass hasn’t noticed, Epstein and Ghizzy haven’t been among the many major sex traffickers in years. Sex trafficking is as massive a global criminal enterprise as it’s ever been.
    Do you see any other major sex traffickers being arrested? You’re such a dipshit.”

    I see you desperately trying to form a coherent argument but what? Not among the major sex traffickers for years….What are you trying to say?

  179. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    “Do you see any other major sex traffickers being arrested? You’re such a dipshit.”

    Some of the largest child porn operations in the world have been busted in recent months. The one in Germany is horrifying. The Q plan is worldwide. You will see and one day you will sincerely apologize to me for directing your blind hate my way in the past.

  180. Anonymous
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/07/15/florida-nursing-homes-see-infections-surge-as-workers-spread-virus-1301255

    https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/corbas-lyon-france-nursing-home-coronavirus-covid-19-lockdown-20200504.html

    The best way to avoid nursing home disasters is to pull up the drawbridge. I don’t really expect anybody to reasonably think that this solution is scalable.

  181. stupid hick
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    “The Q plan is worldwide. You will see and one day you negroes will sincerely apologize to me for directing your blind hate my way in the past.”

    One day Q’s identity will be publicly revealed and it won’t be a Trump insider or for that matter anyone with any connection to government. Mark my words. When it happens you will recognize I am the prophet you have always been seeking, and I will graciously accept your apology and allow you to follow me, but only on the condition you change your handle to “stupider hick”. Also you will have to take a diversity and inclusion class.

  182. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    How could Q post one minute or less BEFORE the President posts a tweet…over and over and over if it is not someone close to Trump? It’s down to a few seconds difference on many of these posts now. They are trying to get it to zero seconds.

  183. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    I’ve had a pretty diverse and inclusive life. What makes you think I need some class that tries to make me feel bad about muh whiteness?

  184. stupid hick
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    “What makes you think I need some class that tries to make me feel bad about muh white supremacy?”

    As I figured. I wonder if Frosted Flakes gets it.

  185. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    You shouldn’t misquote me. Abolishing whiteness is an idea that is gaining traction today. It’s getting more common to hear about it among anti-white SJW’s.

    They had segregated racism training in Seattle! One for blacks, one for whites. What if you are mixed and proud to be who YOU are as an individual and proud of all your ancestors? Kind of a shitty situation. Some of these classes are terrible. Just be who you are and respect everyone and you will be alright.

    It’s not respectful to call someone else a racist with no factual basis. In Jon Braun’s case he openly cheerleads for racial warfare. I don’t think I’ve seen you say one damn thing about that but you think it is fine to smear me without evidence. Don’t be a dork and say “Anyone who supports Twumpz is a WAYCIST!!!” That’s ridiculous. You are so over-extended on so many things you are wide open to be clobbered.

  186. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Tell me more about the “it” you are talking about, SH.

  187. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    “mass gaslighting” – true

    Sky News Australia
    512K subscribers

    Sky News host Rita Panahi has warned people to take a stand against the Left’s definition of what constitutes a peaceful protest after widespread violence took place in rallies across the United States.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gwb1VqqVLQ

  188. iRobert
    Posted July 17, 2020 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    DeSantis had another successful day. 128 more dead in Florida. He’s doing a great job!

  189. iRobert
    Posted July 18, 2020 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    DeSantis has had at least 4 months to prepare for the COVID-19 surge in Florida. How could anyone consider the job he’s done adequate?

  190. Wobblie
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    Aloha, for all you sinophobes the FDA finally approves a process for mass testing that China (as well as others) have been using for months. By using this technique AND deploying 10 of thousands of contact tracers they have CRUSHED the first wave of infections and have stomped out any reignition of the spread. If deployed and used effectively in combination with lock downs and quarantines can lead to victory and the return to some form of dafe normalcy.
    To do this requires effective mobilization and coordination of people and resources. Not going to happen under the death cult. MAGA

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/pooled-testing-okayed-in-us-as-way-of-boosting-covid-detection/ar-BB16Uh1i?li=BBnb7Kz

  191. Anonymous
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    Pooled testing is not a new thing. It’s what the Red Cross does when testing for infectious diseases. Basically you combine several patient samples into one test sample. If the result is negative than all patients are reported as negative. If it is positive then each individual patient sample in the tested needs to be tested again to find out exactly which one(s) were positive and which were negative. It works because the PCR amplification process is exponential, so linear dilution from combining samples is not important AND if the tested patients have a low likelihood of actually having the disease. Otherwise it’s just double the work with no real savings in terms of test reagents. It does take a lot more staff time before testing to combine the samples safely and recording who had been combined so that they can be uncombined. We’ve been doing pooled testing for screening of asymptomstic patients for a couple of weeks now in SE Michigan already.

  192. Wobblie
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Aloha, lots of things are being done prior to FDA approval I guess. This action by the FDA only allows for pooling 4 test. They have regularly been using 10 test pools in China. It was key to them stopping renewed community spread in Wuhan and Beijing.
    Not all the non FDA approved actions are effective in fighting the virus, but was quit profitable

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207?fbclid=IwAR0-GNuzzOPMt2hst8ZZdWfp_NeCsbYoV2qicA_hIVrWAkFTt6l_ZQ7vb8A&

    Conclusion:

    Hydroxychloroquine did not substantially reduce symptom severity in outpatients with early, mild COVID-19.

  193. Anonymous
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    FDA approval is not necessary for testing in the LDT (laboratory developed test) category. The laboratory developing the test has to show validation and documentation of ongoing quality assurance to CMS standards. That is what Henry Ford, Beaumont, and Michigan Medicine did with in-house testing in March to get testing online during our first surge. Most hospital laboratories don’t have this development capability as it is very costly to maintain it. Quest and other commercial laboratories were waiting for FDA approval because the FDA approval allows scaling of the process without maintaining the costly administrative LDT overhead for each physical testing site.

  194. iRobert
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Trump and DeSantis have had at least 4 months to prepare for the COVID-19 surge in Florida. With over 100 deaths there every day now, are the Trumpanzees here starting to see why the rest of us have been saying Trump and DeSantis have failed to mobilize and are failing now to respond effectively?

  195. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    iRobert,

    You keep making these kinds of statements. This is not meant to be a knock down rebuttal but something to consider before making a statements like the one above: On April 15th Florida was less than 20 days behind MI, in terms of number cases, and that number is adjusted for differences in our populations. Reconcile that fact with the narrative you keep trying to spin, please.

  196. iRobert
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    You don’t seem to realize Michigan had a lot more spread a lot earlier than the testing showed. Testing was very limited in the Spring, and Michigan had a much more widespread problem than the limited and lacking testing showed. It’s essentially the same story with New York City and Chicago.

    The administration has had 4 months to prepare and mobilize in the south where the spread was not anywhere near as massive as it was in the canters of outbreak in the north.

    Instead of preparing, DeSantis kidded himself that they had done something significant that the Northern states with early outbreaks hadn’t.

    Now the citizens of Florida are paying the price for his lack of preparedness and arrogance.

  197. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    The case that FL was 20 days behind MI is not a result of looking at the case numbers—which you rightly point out might be unreliable because a lot people who had might not have been detected. However, FL was 20 days MI in terms of covid death adjusted for population sizes on April 15 as well….How do you reconcile that fact with your statements.

  198. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    I meant to say the idea that FL was 20 days behind MI on April 15 was not ONLY a result of looking at the case numbers, which you pointed out, MIGHT be unreliable because of a lack of detection in MI…

  199. Wobblie
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Aloha FF is trying to say “your right. Despite all obsuvication, and meaningless statistical goobly gook, your right iRobert and it is a total shit show in Florida, Texas, Arizona and in every other state run by the death cult. Expect me to continue to pretend otherwise”

  200. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    WTF are you talking about Wobblie? How am I manipulating the daily death record for covid deaths that show on April 15 FL was about 20 days behind MI? Relative death between MI and FL is a meaningless start when speculating that MI had a much bigger spread early….Much bigger than the test revealed? How does that work? I am challenging the notion that Florida was 2- 4 months behind MI as iRobert seemed to be suggesting. He has a point about the testing—insofar as it MIGHT be the case that there were a lot more undetected Covid cases in MI. I am curious how he will try to explain away the death stats.

  201. EOS
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    There was a 20 something person who was listed on the COVID death lists. The press asked if that person had a pre-existing condition that made him vulnerable. No, he was killed in a motorcycle accident.

    Does anybody trust the numbers? If so, why?

  202. Wobblie
    Posted July 19, 2020 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Aloha EOS love antidotal data. Was talking to my brother in law today. He is an essential worker and has worked throughout the emergency. He described how prior to the 4th there was a break down of various covid containment protocols. On the 7th they had a positive (confirmed on the 11th) coworker who also worked on the 8th. Business shut down on 12th. , sanitized on the 13th. The workers refused to return to work till the 14th. The 16th a second worker exhibited symptoms. They are waiting for test results. Now he has to self-quarantine for 14 days. He works on a commission basis.

  203. iRobert
    Posted July 20, 2020 at 5:50 am | Permalink

    FF, really all you have to do is look at the rise in cases, hospital admissions and deaths all across the southern US. It reflects the way all cold and flu viruses move through the US population. In Spring new strains of cold and flu spread through big northern urban areas. Then, as we enter summer conditions the spread wanes.

    Only is areas where people have continued to gather in shared public indoor locations has the spread resurged most rapidly. Still, the worst will come in Autumn.

    Even if we were not to accept that spread of this virus was fast and furious in the big northern cities long before it spread in a similar manner through big southern cities, we’d still have to acknowledge that states such as Florida, Texas, Georgia, and Alabama doing much worse now than other states. At this moment they’ve all had four months to prepare and mobilize to prevent this.

  204. Wobblie
    Posted July 20, 2020 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    Aloha growing antidotal stories of its effects on male reproductive system in young male survivors. MAGA

    https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.00183.2020

  205. iRobert
    Posted July 21, 2020 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Today Florida overtook Virginia in deaths per capita from COVID-19. Florida is at 242 deaths per million population. This is still well below the national death rate per capita which is at 437 per million.

  206. Posted July 23, 2020 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Looks like the very slow president has finally realized the full GOP Convention he was planning to do in Jacksonville is a stupid idea.

  207. iRobert
    Posted July 29, 2020 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Florida is reporting 216 deaths today so far. They’re now at 295 deaths per million population. That’s pushed them past Iowa (268), Minnesota (287) and Ohio (290), but still well below the national average which is now up to 461 deaths per million population. Florida now ranks 22nd among states with the highest deaths per capita.

    The US reported a total of 1,266 deaths yesterday. That’s the highest daily death count since May 27. That was nine weeks ago.

    Deaths have averaged 976 daily over the last week.

  208. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Florida has reported 252 deaths from COVID-19 today, and has now surpassed Michigan in total number of deaths.

    In terms of deaths per capita, Florida, which now has 307 deaths per million in population, has surpassed New Mexico (301) and New Hampshire (302) in that regard. Florida now ranks 20th among the states with the highest deaths per capita.

  209. Posted July 31, 2020 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Today, Florida surpassed Colorado in deaths per capita, and is now 19th among the states with the highest deaths per capita.

  210. Posted August 3, 2020 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    With 333 deaths per million population, Florida surpassed Alabama in deaths per capita, and is now 18th among the states with the highest per capita death totals.

  211. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    With 7,647 deaths reported so far, Florida has overtaken Pennsylvania total reported deaths. That moves it up to 7th among the states with the highest death tolls.

  212. Posted August 11, 2020 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Florida reported 276 deaths from COVID-19 today, raising their total to 8,558 and overtaking Illinois in that category. Florida now ranks 6th among the states with the highest death tolls.

  213. Posted August 13, 2020 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    With 8,770, Florida has surpassed Massachusetts in total deaths, and is now 5th among the states with the highest numbers of total deaths.

    With regard to deaths per capita, Florida’s 408 deaths per million population is still below the national number which is 511 per million population.

  214. Posted August 14, 2020 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Florida has reported 224 deaths so far today, and has now surpassed South Carolina in deaths per capita. Florida is now at 426 deaths per million population, which is The 17th highest among states in the US.

  215. iRobert
    Posted August 19, 2020 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Florida has now surpassed Georgia in deaths per capita. At 463 deaths per million population, it is the 16th highest among states of the US.

    Florida is approaching the deaths per capita of France which has 467 deaths per million population.

  216. Posted August 24, 2020 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Florida has now surpassed Indiana in deaths per capita, with 484 deaths per million population compared to Indiana’s 479. However, South Carolina has surged past both of them with 484 death per million population today.

    Florida has also surpassed France in deaths per capita – France being at 467 deaths per million population.

  217. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 24, 2020 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Prediction: In 3 weeks Florida will have low numbers just like Michigan. Over the course of the next 3 weeks the deaths will average around around 60-80 per day and the. they will flatten out with between 20-30 deaths per day—which is the equivalent to Michigan’s 10-15 per day. Sweden, Michigan and Florida will look similar. MI will have performed the worst of the 3Whitmer will be perceived as the best of the 3.

  218. Wobblie
    Posted August 24, 2020 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    The death cult at work. We are slowly arriving at a new plateau of approx 40000 new cases a day. Prior to the liberation around Memorial day we were at a 20000 approx. cases a day. The daily death toll will plateau as well a couple of weeks later. We can probably maintain that level until the weather starts to drive activities inside. We will then see a new surge of cases and deaths and move to yet a new higher “plateau” of cases and deaths.
    250000 dead by election day. I think I predicted that back in May. MAGA

  219. Posted August 24, 2020 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Florida has overtaken Mexico in deaths per capita. Mexico is at 468 deaths per million population, and is ranked 12th worst among nations in rates of death per capita

  220. iRobert
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Arizona has overtaken Michigan in COVID-19 deaths per capita. Arizona is now at 673 deaths per million population, where as Michigan is at 670 currently. This drops Michigan to 10th among states (and D.C.) with the worst rates of death per capita.

    Meanwhile, Florida, Georgia and South Carolina are all even at 500 deaths per million population currently, which ranks them at 15th among states (and D.C.) with the worst rates of death per capita.

  221. iRobert
    Posted September 11, 2020 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Yesterday, it looked like Florida was reporting more than 375 deaths in one day. But it looks like that number might have been the total for two days.

  222. iRobert
    Posted September 12, 2020 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    This is what WorldOMeter is reporting for Florida’s daily death totals over the last week:

    September
    5th: 60
    6th: 39
    7th: 17
    8th: 48
    9th: 202
    10th: 205
    11th: 181
    12th: 97 (so far)

  223. Posted September 14, 2020 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Here are the 7-day moving averages of daily death totals for Florida:

    September
    1st: 114
    2nd: 109
    3rd: 112
    4th: 113
    5th: 101
    6th: 104
    7th: 97
    8th: 77
    9th: 89
    10th: 96
    11th: 107
    12th: 113
    13th 109

  224. iRobert
    Posted September 15, 2020 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Florida’s 7-day moving average of daily death totals for the 14th was 111. We’re going to need that number to come down and stay down for a while if we don’t want Wobblie to be proven right in his prediction about the death count exceeding 16,000 by November 1st.

  225. Posted September 17, 2020 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Here are the 7-day moving averages of daily death totals for Florida:

    September
    1st: 114
    2nd: 109
    3rd: 112
    4th: 113
    5th: 101
    6th: 104
    7th: 97
    8th: 77
    9th: 89
    10th: 96
    11th: 107
    12th: 113
    13th 109
    14th: 111
    15th: 124
    16th: 117

  226. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 24, 2020 at 1:53 pm

    “Prediction: In 3 weeks Florida will have low numbers just like Michigan. Over the course of the next 3 weeks the deaths will average around around 60-80 per day and the. they will flatten out with between 20-30 deaths per day—which is the equivalent to Michigan’s 10-15 per day. Sweden, Michigan and Florida will look similar. MI will have performed the worst of the 3Whitmer will be perceived as the best of the 3.”

  227. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    The 14th was the three-week mark from the day of your prediction.

    Here are the 7-day moving averages of daily death totals for Florida:

    September
    1st: 114
    2nd: 109
    3rd: 112
    4th: 113
    5th: 101
    6th: 104
    7th: 97
    8th: 77
    9th: 89
    10th: 96
    11th: 107
    12th: 113
    13th 109
    14th: 111
    15th: 124
    16th: 117
    17th: 109

  228. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    “The stakes are real – according to federal estimates by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, upward of 1,300 people may have died of the flu in Michigan in the 2018-19 flu season, with more than 1,700 estimated deaths from flu in each of the two flu seasons before that year.“

    1) I mean multiply 1500 by 5 and compare that to Michigan Covid deaths. 50k USA flu death is not insane. Plus I made the flu X 5 prediction a long long time ago….Maybe it is a bit low. So what? It is in the ballpark. In the very beginning I thought this virus was going to be a lot. I stopped going to the gym and started advising people close to me to start taking precautioms 3 weeks before gymS closed down in MI.

    2) I think the 400 k number is too high.

    3) If you look at Florida their numbers are dropping. I may have been a few weeks off but that is happening. MI, Sweden, and FL will look similar. A few days ago Fl was averaging 80 per day over 5 days.

    You are splitting hairs. It is annoying. You sound hysterical.

  229. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Florida, with 616 deaths per million in population, has now surpassed Sweden, which which is at 580, and Italy, which is at 590.

  230. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    I am sure Michigan will resurge and maybe even double it’s death toll by year’s end as well.

  231. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    iRobert,

    I use Covidtracking.com. Not sure why but our numbers are not matching up. Counting back over the last 6 days I have:

    147
    154
    146
    36
    8
    98

  232. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    iRobert,

    The purpose of me tracking FL, MI and Sweden was to get a sense of lockdown versus non lockdown. It’s not like you win if the order turns out to be that FL and Sweden have more death than MI. There are a lot of factors that will influence death. One article said FL had 18 of the top 50 most COVID vulnerable cities. It is interesting if and when those three countries fall in the same ballpark.

  233. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    I specifically chose FL because the Whitney lovers consider DeSantis an idiot in his handling of COVID.

  234. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    He clearly is an idiot, just based on what he’s said publicly. Whiner is no genius, but she takes her responsibility as Governor seriously. I thinks that’s what her supporters are praising.

    And like I’ve said over and over, Michigan was hit early and so quite a bit of spread occurred before it was even realized. DeSantis had lots of time to prepare, and he made a lot of really stupid comments in that time rather than prepare. He’s pretty dumb, and very arrogant. That’s a bad combination.

  235. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Nobody is “winning,” FF. The people who are getting seriously ill and dying could be said to be on the losing end though. Your hero might ever call them “losers.”

  236. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    FF, were those numbers you posted above, daily totals? I posted 7-day averaged daily totals. Some days have almost no reported deaths, especially Sundays, Mondays and holidays. That’s why I use the 7-day averages.

  237. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Here are Florida’s daily death totals as posted by WorldOMeter (not averaged)

    11th: 181
    12th: 97
    13th: 12
    14th: 33
    15th: 139
    16th: 156
    17th: 142

  238. Jean Henry
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-trumps-washington/it-was-all-about-the-election-the-ex-white-house-aide-olivia-troye-on-trumps-narcissistic-mishandling-of-covid-19

    FF imagines himself to be a reasoned and reasonable person, but all the reasonable Republicans are jumping the Trump ship and endorsing Biden. At some point maybe FF will stop defending a sitting president and instead critique him as one should ANY sitting president.

  239. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Jean,

    Who criticizes reason and logic because syllogisms can be misused in a way that does not result in the truth (obviously!) is using a syllogistic form with a premise about ‘ALL REASONABLE REPUBLICANS are doing x’ in order to imply that not doing x means one is not reasonable.

    Fucking.Stupid. Fraud.

  240. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    iRobert. I think I am using daily totals. I can see why doing it your way is better.

  241. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    She can’t help it. Her brain is wired for bigot logic.

  242. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Olivia Troye is all the reasonable republicans.

  243. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2020 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Olivia is just the most recent to corroborate the experience described by others of the ridiculous manner in which the president conducts himself in his duties.

  244. Posted September 20, 2020 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Georgia, South Carolina and Florida have all now surpassed the national per capita death toll.

    622 Georgia
    621 South Carolina
    619 Florida
    617 USA

    Deaths per million population.

  245. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    Florida has now surpassed Pennsylvania and South Carolina in padded deaths per capita.

    642 Florida
    637 Pennsylvania
    637 South Carolina

    Deaths per million population.

    This raises Florida to the position of 15th among states with the worst per capita death rates.

  246. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Deaths in Florida continue to hover around an average of 100 per day. Here are the 7-day moving averages of daily death totals for Florida:

    September
    18th: 103
    19th: 99
    20th: 98
    21st: 96
    22nd: 91
    23rd: 97
    24th: 101
    25th: 103

  247. EOS
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    How many are 70 or older?

  248. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    The vast majority of them, I am certain.

  249. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    It might even be 80% of them.

  250. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Florida has now surpassed the country of Ecuador in deaths per capita. Ecuador is 9th among countries with the worst per capita death rates.

    648 Florida
    635 Ecuador

    Deaths per million population.

  251. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Florida has also now surpassed South Carolina in deaths per capita, climbing to 14th among the states with the worst per capita death rates.

    Deaths per million population:

    648 Florida
    640 South Carolina

    .

  252. iRobert
    Posted September 26, 2020 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Florida has also now surpassed Georgia in deaths per capita, climbing to 13th among the states with the worst per capita death rates.

    Deaths per million population:
    653 Florida
    647 Georgia

    653
    647

  253. iRobert
    Posted September 26, 2020 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    …and DeSantis has just ordered all businesses may reopen, and local governments can’t order them closed.

  254. Posted September 27, 2020 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Now surpassing Maryland in deaths per capita, Florida has moved up to 12th position among the states with the worst per capita death rates.

    Deaths per million population:

    653 Florida
    649 Maryland

  255. Posted September 30, 2020 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Florida has now surpassed the country of Chile in deaths per capita. Chile is ranked 8th among countries in worst per capita death rates.

    Deaths per million population

    667 Florida
    665 Chile

  256. Posted October 6, 2020 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Florida has now surpassed the small European country of Andorra in deaths per capita. Andorra is ranked 7th among countries in worst rates of death per capita.

    Deaths per million population

    689 Florida
    686 Andorra

  257. Posted October 7, 2020 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    The average rate of deaths per day in Florida appear to be declining very slowly. Here are the 7-day moving averages of daily death totals for Florida:

    September
    18th: 103
    19th: 99
    20th: 98
    21st: 96
    22nd: 91
    23rd: 97
    24th: 101
    25th: 98
    26th: 104
    27th: 104
    28th: 103
    29th: 103
    30th: 100

    October
    1st: 93
    2nd: 91
    3rd: 88
    4th: 93
    5th: 97
    6th: 92

  258. Posted October 8, 2020 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Remember how bad Spain was hit early in the spread of this pandemic through Europe?

    Well, Florida has now surpassed Spain in deaths per capita.

    Deaths per million population:
    704 Florida
    696 Spain

  259. Posted October 8, 2020 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    I am planning to spend most of December in Florida. I guess that means only going out on the balcony and perhaps some drives to deserted beaches. Oh well. Thanks for ruining that too Florida!

  260. Posted October 8, 2020 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Have you been watching the COVID-19 numbers from Florida, FF? Their total number of deaths has just crossed the 15,000 mark, and it’s only October 8th.

  261. Posted October 9, 2020 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    It appears that Florida has now even outpaced Brazil now in deaths per capita. Brazil is ranked 5th among countries in worst rates of death per capita. This means there are only 4 countries in the world with a worse death rate than Florida has currently.

    Deaths per million population:
    704 Florida
    700 Brazil

  262. Posted October 12, 2020 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    With 718 deaths per million in population, Florida now ranks 12th among the 50 states in per-capita deaths.

    There are only three countries in the world which have a higher per-capita death rate than Florida. They are San Marino (1,237), Peru (1,006) and Belgium (878).

  263. Posted October 12, 2020 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Yes. I am aware of what is happening in Florida. Like I said, it means that when I am there, I will be limited to staying in the condo but that includes a nice balcony in the sunshine and maybe some drives to beaches that have few people. It sucks but it is what it is.

  264. Posted October 13, 2020 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    Trump and DeSantis held a super-spreader event in Sanford, Florida, yesterday. 7,000 people attended. Most were not wearing masks and there was no social distancing. We should see the surge in cases soon.

  265. wobblie
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    More evidence is accumulating that immunity is short lived and reinfections are occurring. The latest reports are indicating that the 2nd. infection can be more severe than the original infection. This is not to surprising. Idiot death cult condemning future generations to chronic waves of plague.

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/939003

  266. wobblie
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    excerpt
    A 25-year-old man from Nevada and a 42-year-old man in Virginia experienced second bouts of COVID-19 about 2 months after they tested positive the first time. Gene tests show both men had two slightly different strains of the virus, suggesting that they caught the infection twice.

    Researchers say these are the first documented cases of COVID-19 reinfection in the U.S. About two dozen other cases of COVID-19 reinfection have been reported around the globe, from Hong Kong, Belgium, the Netherlands, India, and Ecuador. A third U.S. case, in a 60-year-old in Washington, has been reported but hasn’t yet been peer reviewed.

    Until now, immunologists haven’t been too concerned about these reinfections because most second infections have been milder than the first, indicating that the immune system is doing its job and fighting off the virus when it is recognized a second time.

    Unlike most of those cases, however, the men in Reno, NV, and Virginia, and a 46-year-old man in Ecuador, had more severe symptoms during their second infections, potentially complicating the development and deployment of effective vaccines.

  267. wobblie
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    China has 9 cases of the virus in one city, and test 9 million people in one city in one week to contain the spread. If only our government thought as much for our lives as they think of profits. China will crush this latest outbreak, and then return to a normal life. Meanwhile we continue to be told to live with the virus by the death cult.

    https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-international-news-pandemics-asia-china-77da12921617c2c4ed225cdde17b30fd?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20201013&instance_id=23083&nl=the-morning&regi_id=133582626&section_index=2&section_name=the_latest_news&segment_id=40788&te=1&user_id=9c688f7d72d90c97996e45c1ac7be6e3

  268. Posted October 13, 2020 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    I keep thinking that mass testing may be the way to go. There has been a lot of innovation in places like Africa for how to do mass testing more cheaply. But I think if we could test EVERYONE, then have supervised quarantines of infected people, we could get rid of the virus! The sad thing is that we would need to do a supervised quarantine because alas, as evidenced by those who will not wear masks, there are too many Americans who are selfish enough not to stay in quarantine after they test positive.

  269. wobblie
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Lynne, that is pretty much what China and other success stories have been doing. The US does about 9 million test a week. So the capacity exist, particularly if you can contain the virus to hot spots–here in the US we have allowed uncontrolled community spread–led by the death cult. Don’t know how you are traveling to Florida, but who knows how well public spaces are being sanitized. Just saw yesterday additional evidence that the virus can live up to 28 days on surfaces.

  270. Posted October 13, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    It’s looking like your projection of total deaths from COVID-19 in Florida exceeding 16,000 by November 1st, is going to be an accurate one.

    At this point, if Florida only averages 33 deaths per day for the remainder of October, the state will exceed 16,000 by November 1st. An average of 89 deaths per day would put Florida’s death toll at over 17,000 by the end of the month.

    The average daily death rate in Florida has been hovering just below 100 per day for weeks now.

  271. Posted October 13, 2020 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    wobblie. that study had a very high viral load to begin with and then found the virus lived for 28 days on some surfaces in very specific conditions. I am not too worried about it but I will still take precautions. I am driving down and sleeping in my van. The only time on the trip when I will have contact with surfaces others touch is when I get gas. I will wear a mask and I have been using dog poop bags as gloves for pumping the gas, then a round of hand sanitizer when I get back in.

    Once in Florida, I will have groceries delivered to the condo and will remain there with my brother and his girlfriend. I am driving them both back to Michigan which adds the risk of a hotel but again with masks and hand sanitizer and clorox wipes, I think we can be as safe as we would be anywhere else.

  272. Posted October 13, 2020 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Oh yeah and the three of us are all going to be tested once I get there just in case!

    I know it seems like a lot of trouble but I have seasonal depression and being able to sit out on a balcony in the sunshine for an hour or two a day makes a world of difference to my quality of life.

  273. Posted October 13, 2020 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    I would be on a sunny beach in the south seas if I had my way. You should test before you travel.

    I think the current best estimates are around 400,000 Americans dead from the Trumpvirus by the end of the year. That would just about equal the total US service men killed during WWII. But remember it is all a hoax and it is going to just disappear. MAGA

  274. EOS
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Do coronavirus lockdowns work? Not according to over 6,000 scientists and the World Health Organization. These epidemiologists and scientists said, “Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.” Also the World Health Organization’s special envoy on COVID-19, Dr. David Nabarro told the media that lockdowns should not be used as the primary method of control and appealed to world leaders to stop. Never before in history, that I am aware of, have the healthy been locked down—instead of just the sick. Shutting down our international borders for this crisis was a wise move that had a great impact on protecting our country, but not locking down and shutting down inside our borders.

  275. Posted October 13, 2020 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    So, EOS, you can’t imagine anything between a lockdown and free-for-all with massive, packed, gatherings?

  276. Posted October 13, 2020 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Are the only choices the two extreme strategies?

  277. Posted October 13, 2020 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    EOS: “Do coronavirus lockdowns work?“

    Sweden: 583
    Norway: 51

    Deaths per million population. And Sweden still had considerable voluntary mitigation action taken by citizens, and also experienced considerable economic damage despite the strategy.

  278. Posted October 13, 2020 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    iRobert, Sweden in fact closed all schools for students over 16, and banned large gatherings. They did not urge/require face masks and left bars and restaurants open. The utter and complete failure of the Trump regime to contain the initial outbreaks, and then sabotaging sound public health measures to minimize the spread is criminal. EOS and the rest of the death cult can only see the world in extremes of black and white at this point. Any attempt at nuance on their part is admission of their earlier total failure. Notice how FF avoids any attempt to discuss Florida covid at this point.

  279. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    It does look like Wobblie was right that FL will have at least 16k deaths by November. 16k deaths would roughly put FL equal with Michigan when we only had 6.5k deaths. We have more than that now. Have you guys looked at the MI uptick in cases and hospitalizations? For all we hear about FL being a covid hell hole compared to MI they are still doing better than us but the gap is closing. The uptick in MI cases and hospitalizations has me worried that a second wave will be here in MI soon. Perhaps due to people moving indoors? People moving outdoors will probably help FL’s numbers relative to us.

  280. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    I sent that before I read what you said iRobert. Almost good timing on my part! You will notice if you look past all of your assumptions and jokes my main thesis was that people were incorrect in pretending like Whitmer was doing great and FL was doing bad. I predicted they we MI,FL, and Sweden would end up looking similar but our impressions of how each place was doing would be different.

  281. EOS
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    I just shared what the scientific experts reported. We will be living with Covid-19 for a long time to come, whether or not we vaccinate the entire world. As you can see from past reports, low numbers reported from isolated areas can quickly turn.

  282. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 13, 2020 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Oops that was Wobblie who said that I am avoiding a discussion of FL. Wrong.

  283. Posted October 13, 2020 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    FWIW, I actually agree that a shutdown should not be the first thing to do. It is something that should only happen when the numbers get too high and then for just a couple of weeks.

    I would like to see a national response where we use pooled testing to test everyone, then isolate only those people who have the virus. If we combine that with mask mandates, we could have our numbers down sooner.

    The problem is that there are too many Americans who refuse to do this. They can’t even follow the mask mandate so it may be unrealistic to expect people to comply with a quarantine order. A friend of mine was telling that at her son’s school, they did the widespread testing but then found that students were not isolating even after getting back positive results! So if we take this approach, we have to find a way to compel those who test positive to stay at home. I like using ankle bracelets but possibly fines for those who violate would be sufficient.

  284. Posted October 13, 2020 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Florida, with 723 deaths per million population, will soon overtake Michigan, which is at 726 deaths per million population.

    FF, I’m not one of those who says Michigan did a great job in mitigating the spread. However, I do understand that what others are saying is that Whitmer did a good job in terms of making an effort to mitigate spread. The actions took place after the virus had already spread quite a bit, however. That’s the case with other northern states with big metropolitan areas and direct flights from China as well.

  285. Posted October 13, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    No southern states had massive spread early except Louisiana, which likely experienced massive early spread due to Mardi Gras celebrations.

    With the exception of Louisiana, states in the southern half of the US did not get hit with the conditions for massive spread until a couple months after the northern big metropolitan areas.

    That is the the most significant differing factor between Michigan and Florida. That is the most significant differing factor between states in the north with big metropolitan areas, and states in the southern half of the country where conditions for massive spread lagged behind by a couple months.

  286. Posted October 13, 2020 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    By the way, FF, as fucked up as Sweden’s response was, Florida and Michigan are leaving them in the dust when it comes to deaths per capita.

    726 Michigan
    723 Florida
    583 Sweden

    *Deaths per million population

    The final chapter of this story is far from being written though, as Europe is now experiencing a significant resurgence of the pandemic, and the northern US appears to be following close behind in that autumn surge.

  287. Posted October 13, 2020 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    iRobert, that is the statistic I am hoping Americans can see. Sweden did so much better with even fewer restrictions and while some of those reasons are cultural in a way that probably will never be replicated here, I am sure that some of it is related to things like their social welfare system and universal medical care. Democratic Socialism seems to make populations healthier.

  288. Posted October 14, 2020 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    The average rate of deaths per day in Florida appears to be heading back up again. Here are the 7-day moving averages of daily death totals for Florida:

    October
    1st: 93
    2nd: 91
    3rd: 88
    4th: 93
    5th: 97
    6th: 92
    7th: 85
    8th: 90
    9th: 90
    10th: 90
    11th: 99
    12th: 98
    13th: 107

  289. Posted October 15, 2020 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Florida has now surpassed Michigan in deaths per capita.

    Deaths per million population:
    733 Florida
    731 Michigan

  290. iRobert
    Posted October 17, 2020 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie was right. He predicted Florida’s death toll from COVID-19 would surpass 16,000 by November 1st, and it has already, still two weeks out from that date.

  291. Sad
    Posted October 17, 2020 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Every time Trump goes to Florida more oldeys will die.

    I think if they vote by mail and die before the election Biden could contest their ballots.

  292. Posted October 22, 2020 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    Here are the 7-day moving averages of daily death totals for Michigan and Florida:

    Michigan
    October
    15th: 15
    16th: 17
    17th: 16
    18th: 18
    19th: 20
    20th: 18
    21st: 22

    Florida
    October
    15th: 95
    16th: 93
    17th: 92
    18th: 87
    19th: 87
    20th: 83
    21st: 87

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