Representative Swalwell puts Donald Trump at the center of the Ukraine plot

I have a lot I’d like to say today, but, in the interest of advancing the forces of truth and justice, I’d like to yield my time to Representative Swalwell.

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92 Comments

  1. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Question: And who would love to run against Joe Biden in the 2020 election?

    Answer: President Trump.

    Question: And who was supposedly at the center of a scheme that would make it less likely that Joe Biden would be the nominee?

    Answer: Urrrr, President Trump?

    #swallwellian

  2. Anonymous
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-two-undocumented-housekeepers-took-on-the-president–and-revealed-trumps-long-term-reliance-on-illegal-immigrants/2019/12/04/3dff5b5c-0a15-11ea-bd9d-c628fd48b3a0_story.html#comments-wrapper

    Question: Who’s against illegal immigration?

    Answer: President Trump.

    Question: And who is an active employer of illegal immigrants?

    Answer: Urrrr, President Trump?

  3. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Good point, Anonymous. In the spirit of not changing the subject maybe you could offer your argument that Trump ought to be removed from office for “hypocrisy-crimes and treason”. I mean, you have evidence in the article that Trump hired people with fake IDs, did not hide them from the tax system, and paid them by check. Can you give us your argument about how employers should refrain from hiring people who look poor and Mexican-ish even if they have ID? Would love to hear your argument and how it ties into our shared Swalwellian mission of “advancing the forces of truth and justice” via impeachment. Via an interpretation of intent. Couched within a specific opinion on what our foreign policy ought to be…

  4. Lynne
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    I don’t think Trump wants to run against Biden. Even though some more recent polls have shown some changes, most of the early ones I saw showed Biden beating Trump by more than other dems.

  5. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Thank you for sharing your opinion, Lynne.

    I believe you are being very sincere.

    I’m sure many people agree with your opinion.

    It is likely Trump was just saying he would like to run against Biden because he is actually afraid of Biden, who is mentally in his prime, and who can do a lot of pushups, for someone, who is probably 5-7 years away from living in a memory care facility.

  6. John Brown
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Agent Orange meets with his ruskie bosses today. What treason will he commit at their behest?

  7. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    The people here, who hate Trump, have shown little support for Biden for president, probably because he is seen as a genuine threat to Trump. It makes sense.

    Solid and sincere opinions that advance the forces of truth and justice.

    #Swalwellian

  8. EOS
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    To be fair, if Biden got elected it wouldn’t be the first time in recent history that we had a president with memory issues. Reagan couldn’t remember his cabinet members during his second term. Just saying.

    MSM polls have been proven worthless. Don’t really think Trump needs to be concerned about any of the current crop of Democrat candidates.

  9. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    It is a horrible disease.

  10. Lynne
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    I guess I have a philosophy that primaries are the time when one should vote for the person one would most like to see as president. I don’t generally factor in the concept of “electability” especially since it changes all of the time but especially because it often seems to be an excuse for people not to vote for a woman or a POC. At any rate, for those who DO consider such things to be important, it looks like Biden is not the most electable candidate at this time.

  11. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Off topic: I don’t use twitter but I have visited. Am I the only one who finds it strange that the videos repeat themselves until the video is scrolled off the screen? The shorter the video the more out of context the content of the video and the more times the video repeats as one reads the accompanying spin. It might not be intentional but wouldn’t such a feature be useful for the purpose of brainwashing and manipulation—if a content creator were so inclined?

  12. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    “the Ukraine plot”

    Problem is if Biden is guilty of corruption, which he obviously is then the President is in fact acting in the national interest. What is your explanation for the fuckup-of-all-time vice president’s son somehow getting millions in Ukrainian money?

  13. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Do you understand it is our own money being pocketed by these people through kickbacks on foreign aid?

  14. Anonymous
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    The fact that the Republicans could not attract an attorney any better than Castor is incredibly telling.

  15. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    In the interest of advancing the forces of truth and justice I regretfully must inform HW that his conspiracy theories have been debunked. Joe Biden debunked it again the other day when he said: “Your a damn liar man. Nobody ever said that…Listen fatty….I can do more pushups than you.”

    Check yourself before you wreck yourself, HW.

  16. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    I would have been like “You are a damn liar, Joe. How in the hell did your son, the screw-up that he is (that’s right; everyone knows it) land that position? Why would THEY do THAT, Joe Biden?”

  17. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    It doesn’t matter. It is still a conspiracy theory. Because pushups.

    In related conspiracy theory news I can’t wait for 10 Twitterfield Lane to release the advancement-of-truth- and-justice-type-blog-posts related to the “nothing to see here” fisa warrant report. I don’t doubt those posts will be awesome!

    #punkrock
    #hahahaha

  18. John Brown
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Don’t you trumptards have some toilets to flush, repeatedly? Apparently you have to flush 15 times when you spew so much bullshit.

  19. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Which part is bullshit?

    #toilets
    #jbrowns

  20. EOS
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    JB,

    Are you related to JH? You can’t win an argument by calling the other person names. Try to focus on the ideas and then use reasoning and logic to prove your point. Otherwise, you lose.

  21. John Brown
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Eos, you’re confusing my ridicule for your complicity in treason with “trying to win an argument”. To care enough to try to waste good reason on you traitors I’d have to have a shred of respect for you first.

  22. Sad
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    You’re all making yourself look foolish by talking about anything other than Pete Buttigieg!

    Remember to pitch in a few bucks to help the kid out.

    https://peteforamerica.com

  23. Jean Henry
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Why would anyone actually argue with people who employ circular logic and willfully ignore/dismiss any information counter to their narrative. There is no point in arguing with you EOS. Most of us only jump in for the occasional zinger at most. Your thinking is so well defended their is no discourse possible, just parallel play.

  24. Jean Henry
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/opinion/trump-impeachment-hearings.html

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted December 10, 2019 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    I’m trying to imagine EOS, given your feelings about religious self-determination, how it is that you can support a man who would like to define a religion as a nationality, and not US nationality. Imagine if he tried to define Christianity as meaning of European ancestry. Or Middle Eastern?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/us/politics/trump-antisemitism-executive-order.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur

  26. EOS
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    What are my feelings about religious self-determination? I don’t even know what that is supposed to mean. Why do you continuously make up shit about other people?

  27. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Jean, did you know children of Jewish mothers are considered Jewish regardless of their religious observance?

  28. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    EOS is swearing! Fun! (PS I cannot be bothered to go back and look up your comments)

    HW– yes I knew that. What is your point? They aren’t automatically considered citizens of Israel. (Yes, I also know they can apply if they are permanent residents) There are so many ways this can go wrong. I’m surprised you, as a self-proclaimed free speech advocate, agree with this move, HW…

  29. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/sephardic-ashkenazic-mizrahi-jews-jewish-ethnic-diversity/

  30. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    It was not a rhetorical question though. The most important question Jean can attempt to answer is: Why does Jean make stuff up? Answering that question would be life-changing for her and answering it does not require she look up what other people said over the years. Answering that question requires a personal insight and self reflection on Jean’s part. We already know the answer to the question that Jean needs to confront. She can’t even bring herself to confront the question…

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    You are confused as usual. Never heard of the Right of Return? Every Jew has the right to live in Israel and gain citizenship or so the law says. I didn’t say anything about that so I don’t understand what point you think you are making.

    Children of Jewish mothers are considered Jewish by Israel regardless of their religious observance. Therefore it is unique among the major religions in having a requirement of certain mitochondrial DNA. If you are not part of the gene pool an exception is required in the form of the conversion process.

  32. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Nothing to see around fisa abuse.

    I am waiting to form a judgment until I get the analysis from 10 Twitterfield Lane.

    #punkrock

  33. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    FF– we all make stuff up; even when we don’t think we are. I am actually trying to represent the truth as I see it in every statement that’s not obviously sarcastic. EOS went on a tear a few days ago about their right to religious self-definition. They provided none but resented being improperly categorized. EOS has still not explained why they, a bible-literalist are not (small f) fundamentalist. They are leaving me to wonder and maybe even conjecture so they can call me a liar. I have decided the best route is simply to no longer have interest in any of you. That way I won’t be making assumptions.

  34. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    HW shows up to repeat exactly what I acknowledged earlier. Having the right of return does not make one Israeli, you dolt.

  35. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    The DNA thing is new and highly controversial. In Israel.

    “The testing has been pilloried by activists representing immigrants, by scientists, and by politicians as a chilling, pseudoscientific development more suited to eugenics-crazy Nazi Germany than the Jewish state, and that dangerously risks turning Jewishness into a racial, rather than religious or national, identity.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/rabbinate-dna-tests-seek-jewishness-in-the-blood-become-a-bone-of-contention/

  36. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    “There is no deep state”—Feinstein

    “There is no swamp”—forested wetland resident

    “There is no corruption”—nobody

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    “Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 11:15 am | Permalink
    HW shows up to repeat exactly what I acknowledged earlier. Having the right of return does not make one Israeli, you dolt.”

    I didn’t say that it did, dick. Neither did the President.

  38. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Lindsey Graham is on some King James shit.

    Didn’t people here speculate Graham was a Russian agent probably because the Russian’s had Kompromat on him of a specific nature? Now Graham is indirectly defending Carter Page who seemed, to many here, like an “obvious liar—even comically so” and also “gay”?

    Seems suspicious right guys?

    #punkrock

  39. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    “HW– yes I knew that. What is your point? They aren’t automatically considered citizens of Israel. (Yes, I also know they can apply if they are permanent residents) ” — me

    “Never heard of the Right of Return? Every Jew has the right to live in Israel and gain citizenship or so the law says”– HW next comment

    And the President is saying judaism is a nationality and/or race, not a religion. That is what the purported executive order states.

    Whatever. I hope he abandons it because he is pissing off a lot of US citizens.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/american-jews-response-trump-executive-order-judaism-as-nationality-2019-12

  40. EOS
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    JH,

    You lie. I have never, ever said anything about a right to “religious self-definition”. A few days ago I told you that I was not a fundamentalist or an Evangelical. Today, I will state that I am not “religious”. Stop trying to pigeon hole me into some negative stereotype of yours.

    Stop making up shit. Stop posting that I’ve said things that I haven’t. Speak for yourself only.

  41. EOS
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    FF,

    Graham doesn’t want a trial in the Senate where Trump can question any witness that he wants. McCain brought the dossier to the FBI and Graham was a “good friend” of McCain. Graham is afraid of something becoming widely known.

    If he says another man is gay, I believe him. He would know.

  42. EOS
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/fact-checker-do-faithful-christians-take-the-bible-literally/

  43. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, I am unaware of the connections you are making, EOS. I do know that Graham is doing a great job of highlighting the important FISA abuses issues today.

  44. EOS
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/republicans-prepare-to-call-no-witnesses-during-senate-impeachment-trial/

    Graham is talking loudly now, but he is afraid of what a trial in the Senate may uncover.

  45. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Thanks. I will read up on that angle.

  46. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    EOS “Today, I will state that I am not “religious”.” — and I am the liar.

    PS I don’t have anything against religion, organized or otherwise, EOS. I just also value separation of church and state and the freedom of religion that it protects. If you would stop trying to pigeon hole me, you would know that.

  47. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    “And the President is saying judaism is a nationality and/or race, not a religion. That is what the purported executive order states.”

    Where does it say Judaism is not a religion? Use quotes. I doubt it.

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Jean Henry: “HW shows up to repeat exactly what I acknowledged earlier. Having the right of return does not make one Israeli, you dolt.”

    Hyborian Warlord: “I didn’t say that it did, dick. Neither did the President.”

    Jean Henry: “….”

    So you agree you are a dick, right? At least you have to admit you don’t know what you are talking about.

  49. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    HW is so uptight about words and stuff, right Jean?

    Maybe Trump is not declaring Judaism is no longer a religion. Maybe Mark is misrepresenting people and insinuating treason. No biggie. Watch some Monty Python, read some twitter, make some stuff up and relax, right Jean?

  50. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    If a religion is defined as a foreign nationality or even just an ethnicity in US law ( including immigration law) which the EO would do, then yes, that’s a problem. He doesn’t;t have to say it’s not a religion for this to be a problem. People may self-identify as ethnically Jewish and nationally Jewish, but it is not the business of government to define these terms. It’s highly problematic. When a group of people are a few generations away from facing extermination due to such labelling, it’s a travesty.

    PS–HW This business of inverting points and then asking me to prove something I didn’t;t say is tiresome. Because I feel obligated to correct the record (not sure why). Anyway just keep calling me an asshole. I don’t care and it’s less work.

  51. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    FF– Quite obviously, word parsing is necessary when critiquing legal documents like Executive orders.
    Not so much when defending ones own proclamations on a local blog…

    Why do you continue to use false equivalencies to defend your positions?

  52. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    PS I never said that Trump’s EO explicitly defines Judaism as ‘not a religion.’ Defining it as a nationality/ethnicity legally in the US substitutes that meaning for the legitimate one. Beyond that I have shown here that there is not one ethnicity or nationality shared by all who practice Judaism.

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    “This business of inverting points and then asking me to prove something I didn’t;t say is tiresome.”

    I quoted you directly. You are glitching out bad all the time now.

  54. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Jean Henry: “PS I never said that Trump’s EO explicitly defines Judaism as ‘not a religion.”

    Jean Henry: “And the President is saying judaism is a nationality and/or race, not a religion. That is what the purported executive order states.”

  55. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    HW– are there quotes in my comment there? No. Did I use the word ‘purported’? Yes. Did any of us have access to the exact words at that time? No. But Again– defining religion as nationality for legal purposes is problematic. It’s not a single nationality or an ethnicity but a religion. You know who defines Judaism as a singular ethnicity or nationality?Anti-semites. It sounds like Trump has walked that back in the just released draft text of the EO.

    Since none of us had privy to the language of the EO at that time, I feel totally ok with my interpretation. If you have a problem with it, write to the NYTimes. I read their story from Tuesday night.

  56. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    I already established you have to have Jewish ancestry through matrilinear mitochondrial DNA or they have to make an exception for you. You have to go through a process and be approved by a rabbi to become Jewish. That is different than the other major religions. I don’t know of any others at all that have such a requirement.

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Boils down to no major religions but judaism have a genetic prerequisite. No other religions consider you part of the religion if you are an atheist. Do you think ethnically Jewish atheists are Jews or not?

  58. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    HW– I posted that the same people, Jewish people and Israeli people, criticizing th Trump executive order have even stringer critique of the DNA test thing. I also posted that several other ethnic groups that do not fit that genetic profile are jewish and have been so for centuries.Take up your argument that about DNA test legitimacy with them.

  59. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    HW– I am a Christian agnostic. I have known priests who were atheists. You don’t know shite about religion.

  60. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    How many Catholics do you know who follow the doctrine?

  61. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    There are also many religious faiths that one must be born into. Go try to convert to Amish.

  62. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    HW uses a Nationalist (and racist) Test for Jewsihness developed and approved by nationalists within Israel to legitimize a nationalist definition of Jewish identity in the US.

    And so racism and bigotry perpetuates and excuses further racism and bigotry.

    Circular logic 101: ignore all conflicting information. Validate your belief system with similar belief systems instead of facts and discernment.

  63. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    “On Tuesday, ***administration officials told reporters that the order would define Judaism as a “nationality” for the purposes of enforcing anti-discrimination law on campus, which would enable enforcement under Title VI, which does not mention religion.*** This reporting led to a great deal of criticism, particularly since the idea that Jews constitute a separate nation has long been used to question their loyalty to the country where they live.
    But the draft released Wednesday does not contain that language”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/11/executive-order-controversy-shows-why-its-impossible-trust-trump-anti-semitism/

  64. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    I don’t use it. They do. You smear everything and everyone who tells the truth. Two second search belies you once again, Jean Henry.

    “Virtually all Jewish communities have practiced matrilineal descent from at least early Tannaitic (c. 10-70 CE) times to Modern times.”

  65. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Look at your claim vs. the reality and see what a horrible smear artist you are.

    “HW uses a Nationalist (and racist) Test for Jewsihness developed and approved by nationalists within Israel to legitimize a nationalist definition of Jewish identity in the US.
    And so racism and bigotry perpetuates and excuses further racism and bigotry.
    Circular logic 101: ignore all conflicting information. Validate your belief system with similar belief systems instead of facts and discernment.”

    vs.

    “Virtually all Jewish communities have practiced matrilineal descent from at least early Tannaitic (c. 10-70 CE) times to Modern times.”

  66. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Is the true statement not elegant in it’s simplicity? Based on it isn’t yours an erroneous smear attempt on me?

  67. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Matrilineal descent is not the same as a retiring a DNA test for ethnicity. (Yes, I know how Mitochondrial DNA testing works.) Also ‘Virtually all’ is not all.

  68. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    From EOS source: “I don’t take the Bible literally, but I do believe everything in the Bible as true.” The writer objects to the litmus test. But I was applying no such litmus test. I was simply stating what EOS has both stated and demonstrated here: They “believe everything in the Bible as true.”

    This evasion of accountability is interesting. You Trumpers are some slippery characters. I guess the fish rots from its head.

  69. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    HW– take up your beliefs re DNA and Jesihness with these folks (repost for emphasis): https://www.timesofisrael.com/rabbinate-dna-tests-seek-jewishness-in-the-blood-become-a-bone-of-contention/

  70. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    “The testing has been pilloried by activists representing immigrants, by scientists, and by politicians as a chilling, pseudoscientific development more suited to eugenics-crazy Nazi Germany than the Jewish state, and that dangerously risks turning Jewishness into a racial, rather than religious or national, identity.”

  71. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    “Religion is a sociocultural construct, not a biological or genetic trait. Historically, only the worst enemies of the Jewish people attempted a genetic classification of Jews, half-Jews etc.” said Prof. Ephrat Levy-Lahad, who heads the Fuld Department of Medical Genetics at Shaare Zedek Medical Center in Jerusalem.

    “The current state of affairs is simply a reflection of failure of the rabbinical authorities to address the needs of individuals who see themselves as belonging to the Jewish people. This has led scientists to offer genetic ‘solutions.’..

    ***In relying on genetic testing, the Chief Rabbinate is ‘radically altering traditional Jewish practice’ in determining Jewishness, says Rabbi Seth Farber”***

    — nice try HW.

  72. EOS
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    JH,

    You called me a Bible literalist. In response I stated that I do not take the Bible literally. I even posted a link to further explain this stance. You did not state that “I believed everything in the Bible is true”. That’s what I wrote and that’s what I stand by. The Bible is not intended to always be taken literally and therefore I don’t. There is a substantial difference between believing something literally and believing something to be true. Furthermore, I am not religious.

    Please stop posting anything about me, or what I believe.

  73. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Stop posting here and I will, EOS.

  74. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Ubiquitous matrilineal descent throughout history means that having certain mitochondrial DNA is the traditional way. If you don’t have it you are not considered Jewish without conversion. I have never argued that DNA tests should be required to be Jewish or Israeli or whatever you are trying to say. Don’t know why you would expect me to answer to that.

  75. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    So long as you believe, EOS, based on your faith that the Earth was created 6000 years ago and climate change is not caused by human activity, your faith is open to criticism. Get your religious belief out of the country’s politics and I promise you I would hold zero interest in what you believe or don’t believe.

    I will consider respecting your self-definition when you start respecting others self-definitions and stop denying that Transgender people or gender dysmorphia exist.

    Get your laws off our bodies and you can believe anything you want.

  76. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    “Religion is a sociocultural construct, not a biological or genetic trait. “

  77. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps jewishness is not defined only by religion. Perhaps there is a distinct Jewish ethnicity.

  78. Sad
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Are you going to go on about the Jews won’t replace us?

  79. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Do you think what I am saying is anti-semitic?

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Everyone here who excused the Black Hebrew Israelites from racial abuse in the Nathan Phillips incident is fucked. One of them murdered Jews in New Jersey.

  81. Sad
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    That was me…..

    But it was before I found Mayor Pete and returned to my Christian roots.

  82. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    No one here excuse the Back Israelites of being racist. They have not been tied to any violence, other than verbal, until today. and that was one guy. How many conservative Christians have participated in mass murders?

    HW I do not think what you are saying is anti-semitic. I don’t believe your defense of Trump’s EO relates to your concern for the Jewish people however. Nor do I think his EO does. I think what you are saying leans hard on biological determinism and other problematic ways of looking at race and ethnicity. I have provided many links to Jewish people very uncomfortable with the framing you use around their identity, so maybe now is a time to listen more and talk less.

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2019 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    “No one here excuse the Back Israelites of being racist.“—Jean

    “Oh good now I see iRobert and HW are also clutching their pearls that some minorities have found a voice and are using it to challenge white supremacy.”—Lynne, on the Black Israelite use of racist heckling against the Covington children.

  84. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 12, 2019 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    You know the second Jean opens her mouth something wrong is coming. It’s uncanny.

  85. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 12, 2019 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    Framing I use? Wrong. It’s Jewish tradition. Nothing to do with me or framing by anyone. You ought to listen when someone educates you.

  86. Sad
    Posted December 12, 2019 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    Jane- you ignorant slut!

  87. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 12, 2019 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Jean said the Black Hebrew Israelites are harmless.

  88. Jean Henry
    Posted December 12, 2019 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    They are as a group. This one guy is not representative. The attack happened yesterday. There was no history of violence until yesterday. Compare that to conservative Christians, especially those who believe in dee state conspiracies.

    A Qanon follower participated stalked Mayor di Blassio before shooting mob boss. And then there’s the pizza gate shooting. Should we now think you pose a threat?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/21/nyregion/gambino-shooting-anthony-comello-frank-cali.html

  89. Jean Henry
    Posted December 12, 2019 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    How many murders have been committed by anti-abortion activists? Should we fear EOS and all people with that belief system will do the same?

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion-clinic-violence.html

  90. EOS
    Posted December 12, 2019 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    6 lone gunmen in the last 26 years compared to 3000 killed each day in the abortion clinics. Your fear is definitely misplaced.

    I thought you were going to stop posting. Let’s both start now. Bye.

  91. Jean Henry
    Posted December 15, 2019 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    EOS–I never said I would stop posting altogether. I agreed to stop “stop posting anything about [you], or what [you] believe if you stopped posting here. Done.

  92. iRobert
    Posted December 15, 2019 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    As pie-in-the-sky as it was, it was certainly worth the attempt, EOS. It’s important that we don’t give up even our most lofty dreams.

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