I have a lot I’d like to say today, but, in the interest of advancing the forces of truth and justice, I’d like to yield my time to Representative Swalwell.
As Rep. Swalwell notes, nobody asks “what did Trump know and when did he know it?”
He knew everything, he directed everything, he was at the center of everything. pic.twitter.com/2c8SGrpdg7
— House Judiciary Dems (@HouseJudiciary) December 9, 2019
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Question: And who would love to run against Joe Biden in the 2020 election?
Answer: President Trump.
Question: And who was supposedly at the center of a scheme that would make it less likely that Joe Biden would be the nominee?
Answer: Urrrr, President Trump?
#swallwellian
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-two-undocumented-housekeepers-took-on-the-president–and-revealed-trumps-long-term-reliance-on-illegal-immigrants/2019/12/04/3dff5b5c-0a15-11ea-bd9d-c628fd48b3a0_story.html#comments-wrapper
Question: Who’s against illegal immigration?
Answer: President Trump.
Question: And who is an active employer of illegal immigrants?
Answer: Urrrr, President Trump?
Good point, Anonymous. In the spirit of not changing the subject maybe you could offer your argument that Trump ought to be removed from office for “hypocrisy-crimes and treason”. I mean, you have evidence in the article that Trump hired people with fake IDs, did not hide them from the tax system, and paid them by check. Can you give us your argument about how employers should refrain from hiring people who look poor and Mexican-ish even if they have ID? Would love to hear your argument and how it ties into our shared Swalwellian mission of “advancing the forces of truth and justice” via impeachment. Via an interpretation of intent. Couched within a specific opinion on what our foreign policy ought to be…
I don’t think Trump wants to run against Biden. Even though some more recent polls have shown some changes, most of the early ones I saw showed Biden beating Trump by more than other dems.
Thank you for sharing your opinion, Lynne.
I believe you are being very sincere.
I’m sure many people agree with your opinion.
It is likely Trump was just saying he would like to run against Biden because he is actually afraid of Biden, who is mentally in his prime, and who can do a lot of pushups, for someone, who is probably 5-7 years away from living in a memory care facility.
Agent Orange meets with his ruskie bosses today. What treason will he commit at their behest?
The people here, who hate Trump, have shown little support for Biden for president, probably because he is seen as a genuine threat to Trump. It makes sense.
Solid and sincere opinions that advance the forces of truth and justice.
#Swalwellian
To be fair, if Biden got elected it wouldn’t be the first time in recent history that we had a president with memory issues. Reagan couldn’t remember his cabinet members during his second term. Just saying.
MSM polls have been proven worthless. Don’t really think Trump needs to be concerned about any of the current crop of Democrat candidates.
It is a horrible disease.
I guess I have a philosophy that primaries are the time when one should vote for the person one would most like to see as president. I don’t generally factor in the concept of “electability” especially since it changes all of the time but especially because it often seems to be an excuse for people not to vote for a woman or a POC. At any rate, for those who DO consider such things to be important, it looks like Biden is not the most electable candidate at this time.
Off topic: I don’t use twitter but I have visited. Am I the only one who finds it strange that the videos repeat themselves until the video is scrolled off the screen? The shorter the video the more out of context the content of the video and the more times the video repeats as one reads the accompanying spin. It might not be intentional but wouldn’t such a feature be useful for the purpose of brainwashing and manipulation—if a content creator were so inclined?
“the Ukraine plot”
Problem is if Biden is guilty of corruption, which he obviously is then the President is in fact acting in the national interest. What is your explanation for the fuckup-of-all-time vice president’s son somehow getting millions in Ukrainian money?
Do you understand it is our own money being pocketed by these people through kickbacks on foreign aid?
The fact that the Republicans could not attract an attorney any better than Castor is incredibly telling.
In the interest of advancing the forces of truth and justice I regretfully must inform HW that his conspiracy theories have been debunked. Joe Biden debunked it again the other day when he said: “Your a damn liar man. Nobody ever said that…Listen fatty….I can do more pushups than you.”
Check yourself before you wreck yourself, HW.
I would have been like “You are a damn liar, Joe. How in the hell did your son, the screw-up that he is (that’s right; everyone knows it) land that position? Why would THEY do THAT, Joe Biden?”
It doesn’t matter. It is still a conspiracy theory. Because pushups.
In related conspiracy theory news I can’t wait for 10 Twitterfield Lane to release the advancement-of-truth- and-justice-type-blog-posts related to the “nothing to see here” fisa warrant report. I don’t doubt those posts will be awesome!
#punkrock
#hahahaha
Don’t you trumptards have some toilets to flush, repeatedly? Apparently you have to flush 15 times when you spew so much bullshit.
Which part is bullshit?
#toilets
#jbrowns
JB,
Are you related to JH? You can’t win an argument by calling the other person names. Try to focus on the ideas and then use reasoning and logic to prove your point. Otherwise, you lose.
Eos, you’re confusing my ridicule for your complicity in treason with “trying to win an argument”. To care enough to try to waste good reason on you traitors I’d have to have a shred of respect for you first.
You’re all making yourself look foolish by talking about anything other than Pete Buttigieg!
Remember to pitch in a few bucks to help the kid out.
https://peteforamerica.com
Why would anyone actually argue with people who employ circular logic and willfully ignore/dismiss any information counter to their narrative. There is no point in arguing with you EOS. Most of us only jump in for the occasional zinger at most. Your thinking is so well defended their is no discourse possible, just parallel play.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/opinion/trump-impeachment-hearings.html
I’m trying to imagine EOS, given your feelings about religious self-determination, how it is that you can support a man who would like to define a religion as a nationality, and not US nationality. Imagine if he tried to define Christianity as meaning of European ancestry. Or Middle Eastern?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/us/politics/trump-antisemitism-executive-order.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur
What are my feelings about religious self-determination? I don’t even know what that is supposed to mean. Why do you continuously make up shit about other people?
Jean, did you know children of Jewish mothers are considered Jewish regardless of their religious observance?
EOS is swearing! Fun! (PS I cannot be bothered to go back and look up your comments)
HW– yes I knew that. What is your point? They aren’t automatically considered citizens of Israel. (Yes, I also know they can apply if they are permanent residents) There are so many ways this can go wrong. I’m surprised you, as a self-proclaimed free speech advocate, agree with this move, HW…
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/sephardic-ashkenazic-mizrahi-jews-jewish-ethnic-diversity/
It was not a rhetorical question though. The most important question Jean can attempt to answer is: Why does Jean make stuff up? Answering that question would be life-changing for her and answering it does not require she look up what other people said over the years. Answering that question requires a personal insight and self reflection on Jean’s part. We already know the answer to the question that Jean needs to confront. She can’t even bring herself to confront the question…
You are confused as usual. Never heard of the Right of Return? Every Jew has the right to live in Israel and gain citizenship or so the law says. I didn’t say anything about that so I don’t understand what point you think you are making.
Children of Jewish mothers are considered Jewish by Israel regardless of their religious observance. Therefore it is unique among the major religions in having a requirement of certain mitochondrial DNA. If you are not part of the gene pool an exception is required in the form of the conversion process.
Nothing to see around fisa abuse.
I am waiting to form a judgment until I get the analysis from 10 Twitterfield Lane.
#punkrock
FF– we all make stuff up; even when we don’t think we are. I am actually trying to represent the truth as I see it in every statement that’s not obviously sarcastic. EOS went on a tear a few days ago about their right to religious self-definition. They provided none but resented being improperly categorized. EOS has still not explained why they, a bible-literalist are not (small f) fundamentalist. They are leaving me to wonder and maybe even conjecture so they can call me a liar. I have decided the best route is simply to no longer have interest in any of you. That way I won’t be making assumptions.
HW shows up to repeat exactly what I acknowledged earlier. Having the right of return does not make one Israeli, you dolt.
The DNA thing is new and highly controversial. In Israel.
“The testing has been pilloried by activists representing immigrants, by scientists, and by politicians as a chilling, pseudoscientific development more suited to eugenics-crazy Nazi Germany than the Jewish state, and that dangerously risks turning Jewishness into a racial, rather than religious or national, identity.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/rabbinate-dna-tests-seek-jewishness-in-the-blood-become-a-bone-of-contention/
“There is no deep state”—Feinstein
“There is no swamp”—forested wetland resident
“There is no corruption”—nobody
“Jean Henry
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HW shows up to repeat exactly what I acknowledged earlier. Having the right of return does not make one Israeli, you dolt.”
I didn’t say that it did, dick. Neither did the President.
Lindsey Graham is on some King James shit.
Didn’t people here speculate Graham was a Russian agent probably because the Russian’s had Kompromat on him of a specific nature? Now Graham is indirectly defending Carter Page who seemed, to many here, like an “obvious liar—even comically so” and also “gay”?
Seems suspicious right guys?
#punkrock
“HW– yes I knew that. What is your point? They aren’t automatically considered citizens of Israel. (Yes, I also know they can apply if they are permanent residents) ” — me
“Never heard of the Right of Return? Every Jew has the right to live in Israel and gain citizenship or so the law says”– HW next comment
And the President is saying judaism is a nationality and/or race, not a religion. That is what the purported executive order states.
Whatever. I hope he abandons it because he is pissing off a lot of US citizens.
https://www.businessinsider.com/american-jews-response-trump-executive-order-judaism-as-nationality-2019-12
JH,
You lie. I have never, ever said anything about a right to “religious self-definition”. A few days ago I told you that I was not a fundamentalist or an Evangelical. Today, I will state that I am not “religious”. Stop trying to pigeon hole me into some negative stereotype of yours.
Stop making up shit. Stop posting that I’ve said things that I haven’t. Speak for yourself only.
FF,
Graham doesn’t want a trial in the Senate where Trump can question any witness that he wants. McCain brought the dossier to the FBI and Graham was a “good friend” of McCain. Graham is afraid of something becoming widely known.
If he says another man is gay, I believe him. He would know.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/fact-checker-do-faithful-christians-take-the-bible-literally/
Sorry, I am unaware of the connections you are making, EOS. I do know that Graham is doing a great job of highlighting the important FISA abuses issues today.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/republicans-prepare-to-call-no-witnesses-during-senate-impeachment-trial/
Graham is talking loudly now, but he is afraid of what a trial in the Senate may uncover.
Thanks. I will read up on that angle.
EOS “Today, I will state that I am not “religious”.” — and I am the liar.
PS I don’t have anything against religion, organized or otherwise, EOS. I just also value separation of church and state and the freedom of religion that it protects. If you would stop trying to pigeon hole me, you would know that.
“And the President is saying judaism is a nationality and/or race, not a religion. That is what the purported executive order states.”
Where does it say Judaism is not a religion? Use quotes. I doubt it.
Jean Henry: “HW shows up to repeat exactly what I acknowledged earlier. Having the right of return does not make one Israeli, you dolt.”
Hyborian Warlord: “I didn’t say that it did, dick. Neither did the President.”
Jean Henry: “….”
So you agree you are a dick, right? At least you have to admit you don’t know what you are talking about.
HW is so uptight about words and stuff, right Jean?
Maybe Trump is not declaring Judaism is no longer a religion. Maybe Mark is misrepresenting people and insinuating treason. No biggie. Watch some Monty Python, read some twitter, make some stuff up and relax, right Jean?
If a religion is defined as a foreign nationality or even just an ethnicity in US law ( including immigration law) which the EO would do, then yes, that’s a problem. He doesn’t;t have to say it’s not a religion for this to be a problem. People may self-identify as ethnically Jewish and nationally Jewish, but it is not the business of government to define these terms. It’s highly problematic. When a group of people are a few generations away from facing extermination due to such labelling, it’s a travesty.
PS–HW This business of inverting points and then asking me to prove something I didn’t;t say is tiresome. Because I feel obligated to correct the record (not sure why). Anyway just keep calling me an asshole. I don’t care and it’s less work.
FF– Quite obviously, word parsing is necessary when critiquing legal documents like Executive orders.
Not so much when defending ones own proclamations on a local blog…
Why do you continue to use false equivalencies to defend your positions?
PS I never said that Trump’s EO explicitly defines Judaism as ‘not a religion.’ Defining it as a nationality/ethnicity legally in the US substitutes that meaning for the legitimate one. Beyond that I have shown here that there is not one ethnicity or nationality shared by all who practice Judaism.
“This business of inverting points and then asking me to prove something I didn’t;t say is tiresome.”
I quoted you directly. You are glitching out bad all the time now.
Jean Henry: “PS I never said that Trump’s EO explicitly defines Judaism as ‘not a religion.”
Jean Henry: “And the President is saying judaism is a nationality and/or race, not a religion. That is what the purported executive order states.”
HW– are there quotes in my comment there? No. Did I use the word ‘purported’? Yes. Did any of us have access to the exact words at that time? No. But Again– defining religion as nationality for legal purposes is problematic. It’s not a single nationality or an ethnicity but a religion. You know who defines Judaism as a singular ethnicity or nationality?Anti-semites. It sounds like Trump has walked that back in the just released draft text of the EO.
Since none of us had privy to the language of the EO at that time, I feel totally ok with my interpretation. If you have a problem with it, write to the NYTimes. I read their story from Tuesday night.
I already established you have to have Jewish ancestry through matrilinear mitochondrial DNA or they have to make an exception for you. You have to go through a process and be approved by a rabbi to become Jewish. That is different than the other major religions. I don’t know of any others at all that have such a requirement.
Boils down to no major religions but judaism have a genetic prerequisite. No other religions consider you part of the religion if you are an atheist. Do you think ethnically Jewish atheists are Jews or not?
HW– I posted that the same people, Jewish people and Israeli people, criticizing th Trump executive order have even stringer critique of the DNA test thing. I also posted that several other ethnic groups that do not fit that genetic profile are jewish and have been so for centuries.Take up your argument that about DNA test legitimacy with them.
HW– I am a Christian agnostic. I have known priests who were atheists. You don’t know shite about religion.
How many Catholics do you know who follow the doctrine?
There are also many religious faiths that one must be born into. Go try to convert to Amish.
HW uses a Nationalist (and racist) Test for Jewsihness developed and approved by nationalists within Israel to legitimize a nationalist definition of Jewish identity in the US.
And so racism and bigotry perpetuates and excuses further racism and bigotry.
Circular logic 101: ignore all conflicting information. Validate your belief system with similar belief systems instead of facts and discernment.
“On Tuesday, ***administration officials told reporters that the order would define Judaism as a “nationality” for the purposes of enforcing anti-discrimination law on campus, which would enable enforcement under Title VI, which does not mention religion.*** This reporting led to a great deal of criticism, particularly since the idea that Jews constitute a separate nation has long been used to question their loyalty to the country where they live.
But the draft released Wednesday does not contain that language”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/11/executive-order-controversy-shows-why-its-impossible-trust-trump-anti-semitism/
I don’t use it. They do. You smear everything and everyone who tells the truth. Two second search belies you once again, Jean Henry.
“Virtually all Jewish communities have practiced matrilineal descent from at least early Tannaitic (c. 10-70 CE) times to Modern times.”
Look at your claim vs. the reality and see what a horrible smear artist you are.
“HW uses a Nationalist (and racist) Test for Jewsihness developed and approved by nationalists within Israel to legitimize a nationalist definition of Jewish identity in the US.
And so racism and bigotry perpetuates and excuses further racism and bigotry.
Circular logic 101: ignore all conflicting information. Validate your belief system with similar belief systems instead of facts and discernment.”
vs.
“Virtually all Jewish communities have practiced matrilineal descent from at least early Tannaitic (c. 10-70 CE) times to Modern times.”
Is the true statement not elegant in it’s simplicity? Based on it isn’t yours an erroneous smear attempt on me?
Matrilineal descent is not the same as a retiring a DNA test for ethnicity. (Yes, I know how Mitochondrial DNA testing works.) Also ‘Virtually all’ is not all.
From EOS source: “I don’t take the Bible literally, but I do believe everything in the Bible as true.” The writer objects to the litmus test. But I was applying no such litmus test. I was simply stating what EOS has both stated and demonstrated here: They “believe everything in the Bible as true.”
This evasion of accountability is interesting. You Trumpers are some slippery characters. I guess the fish rots from its head.
HW– take up your beliefs re DNA and Jesihness with these folks (repost for emphasis): https://www.timesofisrael.com/rabbinate-dna-tests-seek-jewishness-in-the-blood-become-a-bone-of-contention/
“The testing has been pilloried by activists representing immigrants, by scientists, and by politicians as a chilling, pseudoscientific development more suited to eugenics-crazy Nazi Germany than the Jewish state, and that dangerously risks turning Jewishness into a racial, rather than religious or national, identity.”
“Religion is a sociocultural construct, not a biological or genetic trait. Historically, only the worst enemies of the Jewish people attempted a genetic classification of Jews, half-Jews etc.” said Prof. Ephrat Levy-Lahad, who heads the Fuld Department of Medical Genetics at Shaare Zedek Medical Center in Jerusalem.
“The current state of affairs is simply a reflection of failure of the rabbinical authorities to address the needs of individuals who see themselves as belonging to the Jewish people. This has led scientists to offer genetic ‘solutions.’..
***In relying on genetic testing, the Chief Rabbinate is ‘radically altering traditional Jewish practice’ in determining Jewishness, says Rabbi Seth Farber”***
— nice try HW.
JH,
You called me a Bible literalist. In response I stated that I do not take the Bible literally. I even posted a link to further explain this stance. You did not state that “I believed everything in the Bible is true”. That’s what I wrote and that’s what I stand by. The Bible is not intended to always be taken literally and therefore I don’t. There is a substantial difference between believing something literally and believing something to be true. Furthermore, I am not religious.
Please stop posting anything about me, or what I believe.
Stop posting here and I will, EOS.
Ubiquitous matrilineal descent throughout history means that having certain mitochondrial DNA is the traditional way. If you don’t have it you are not considered Jewish without conversion. I have never argued that DNA tests should be required to be Jewish or Israeli or whatever you are trying to say. Don’t know why you would expect me to answer to that.
So long as you believe, EOS, based on your faith that the Earth was created 6000 years ago and climate change is not caused by human activity, your faith is open to criticism. Get your religious belief out of the country’s politics and I promise you I would hold zero interest in what you believe or don’t believe.
I will consider respecting your self-definition when you start respecting others self-definitions and stop denying that Transgender people or gender dysmorphia exist.
Get your laws off our bodies and you can believe anything you want.
“Religion is a sociocultural construct, not a biological or genetic trait. “
Perhaps jewishness is not defined only by religion. Perhaps there is a distinct Jewish ethnicity.
Are you going to go on about the Jews won’t replace us?
Do you think what I am saying is anti-semitic?
Everyone here who excused the Black Hebrew Israelites from racial abuse in the Nathan Phillips incident is fucked. One of them murdered Jews in New Jersey.
That was me…..
But it was before I found Mayor Pete and returned to my Christian roots.
No one here excuse the Back Israelites of being racist. They have not been tied to any violence, other than verbal, until today. and that was one guy. How many conservative Christians have participated in mass murders?
HW I do not think what you are saying is anti-semitic. I don’t believe your defense of Trump’s EO relates to your concern for the Jewish people however. Nor do I think his EO does. I think what you are saying leans hard on biological determinism and other problematic ways of looking at race and ethnicity. I have provided many links to Jewish people very uncomfortable with the framing you use around their identity, so maybe now is a time to listen more and talk less.
“No one here excuse the Back Israelites of being racist.“—Jean
“Oh good now I see iRobert and HW are also clutching their pearls that some minorities have found a voice and are using it to challenge white supremacy.”—Lynne, on the Black Israelite use of racist heckling against the Covington children.
You know the second Jean opens her mouth something wrong is coming. It’s uncanny.
Framing I use? Wrong. It’s Jewish tradition. Nothing to do with me or framing by anyone. You ought to listen when someone educates you.
Jane- you ignorant slut!
Jean said the Black Hebrew Israelites are harmless.
They are as a group. This one guy is not representative. The attack happened yesterday. There was no history of violence until yesterday. Compare that to conservative Christians, especially those who believe in dee state conspiracies.
A Qanon follower participated stalked Mayor di Blassio before shooting mob boss. And then there’s the pizza gate shooting. Should we now think you pose a threat?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/21/nyregion/gambino-shooting-anthony-comello-frank-cali.html
How many murders have been committed by anti-abortion activists? Should we fear EOS and all people with that belief system will do the same?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion-clinic-violence.html
6 lone gunmen in the last 26 years compared to 3000 killed each day in the abortion clinics. Your fear is definitely misplaced.
I thought you were going to stop posting. Let’s both start now. Bye.
EOS–I never said I would stop posting altogether. I agreed to stop “stop posting anything about [you], or what [you] believe if you stopped posting here. Done.
As pie-in-the-sky as it was, it was certainly worth the attempt, EOS. It’s important that we don’t give up even our most lofty dreams.
Swalwellian
Whoa
FF is in the way back machine.
Next we will be talking about Sandman again.
Let’s talk about a Mayor Petes plan to eliminate cars and build a high speed national rail system with money from the Biden Tax scheme.
No, the other focus is Hunter’s taxes.