There’s nothing more surreal than watching Donald Trump in North Carolina, where Republicans have been found guilty of voter fraud, talking about illegal voting by Democrats in California, absent any evidence at all

Back during the 2018 midterm elections, a Republican by the name of Mark Harris won North Carolina’s 9th congressional district. The results of that election, however, were never certified, as it came to light shortly after Election Day that Harris had hired a political operative (and convicted felon) by the name of Leslie McCrae Dowless, who helped secure the victory by illegally collecting absentee ballots from North Carolina voters and altering them to show support the Republican candidate. Well, as a result, there’s going to be a special election tomorrow, and a very desperate Donald Trump visited North Carolina’s 9th congressional district today to whip up enthusiasm for the Republican candidate, clearly afraid that another flipped seat in a red state like North Carolina could cause a great many more Republican incumbents to retire instead of seeking reelection in 2020. [So far, a staggering 19 Republicans in Congress have already said that they would not be seeking reelection in 2020.] And here’s the craziest part, while on stage at this rally in North Carolina today, Trump not only ignored the fact that he was literally there BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS HAD BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF ATTEMPTING TO STEAL AN ELECTION, but he had the audacity to again make the absolutely unsubstantiated claim that “a lot of illegal voting (is) going on” in California. I know we’re in a post-truth world now, but damn, this is some next-level, through the looking glass shit right here.

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  1. Posted September 9, 2019 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and be sure to tell everyone you know in North Carolina’s 9th district to vote for Dan McCready.

  2. Meta
    Posted September 9, 2019 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    NBC News: “Trump tests political capital in last-minute North Carolina election push: A loss by Republican Dan Bishop could foreshadow an uphill climb for Republicans in 2020.”

    President Donald Trump put his political prowess on the line on Monday, campaigning here on the eve of a special election seen as a bellwether for his own contest next year.

    The president’s gamble: that the last-minute stop — where he painted a dark picture of threats from immigration, crime and socialism — could help tip the scales in favor of House Republican candidate Dan Bishop.

    “Tomorrow is your chance to send a clear message to the America-hating left,” Trump told the crowd in Fayetteville.

    Instead, it’s a dead heat, fueling jitters among Republicans still reeling from heavy losses in the House of Representatives in 2018.

    A win by McCready would send a dramatic warning sign to Republicans over their 2020 chances; even a narrow GOP victory in the deep-red district would be cause for concern.

    Sparking even more anxiety for the party is the fact that North Carolina, which Trump won by less than four points in 2016, is seen as a key swing state for 2020.

    Read more:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-tests-political-capital-last-minute-north-carolina-election-push-n1051746

  3. Bob
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 5:34 am | Permalink

    This airport story may resonate more with moderate conservatives and military families than any of his other atrocities. His numbers are sinking to the point that Dems need to fear a convention coup by the GOP. Probably a rich and ready Mitt Romney. That would be real trouble for any of the leading democratic candidates.

  4. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 5:43 am | Permalink

    So far, the damage Trump may be doing to the GOP has been minimized considerably. But there is a possibility that things will reach a tipping point and then we’d see dramatic impact fast.

  5. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Bob, if the GOP leadership tries to replace Trump at the convention, it will explode into violence and all the Trump supporters would abandon the party. It’s nothing the Democrats will have to fear.

    The only imaginable way the Republicans can hold on to the presidency is by another trick move which shuts down Democratic turnout, as was done in 2016.

  6. Sad
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Is having Joe Biden be the nominee a trick move? That would probably shut down voter turnout.

    I never knew the Bahamas was filled with very bad gangs until trump put out his warning.

    Or are they just black people?

  7. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    No, Sad, Biden actually has decent favorability numbers. Most people don’t hate their grandpa.

  8. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    Aloha, Biden-Gabbard a winning ticket for 2020.

  9. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Aloha, though a Sander-Gabbard ticket is also a winner
    Gabbard-Yang another winner
    Gabbard-Sanders another winner
    Warren-Gabbard yet another winner
    Gabbard-Buttigege also a winner
    Almost any ticket that includes Gabbard will defeat the Republicans. She draws from the intelligent wing of the Republican part as well as independents.

  10. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    I encountered a neighborhood gang in the area of B’s Ice Cream Parlor on Yamacraw Hill Road on New Providence. There were about a dozen young men with two very big pit-bulls. They seemed to respond well to deference and respect, and let us pass without problems. B (the ice cream shop owner) was surprised we didn’t have more trouble. She keeps the door to her shop locked and only unlocks it to let genuine-looking customers into the place. Since Paradise Island has captured most of the tourist business to the island, the economy for the rest of the island has suffered. The walled-off resorts are having that affect everywhere.

  11. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    I agree with you DD, but I think it needs to be Gabbard in the top spot.

    The only way it happens is if the asleep at the wheel Dems prove that they are capable of self-criticism. An actual self-critique, in large numbers, by the average Dems, like the ones we have here at mm.com, is the primary obstacle.

  12. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Asleep at the wheel of their self-driving Teslas.

  13. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    “I suppose it’s possible that another candidate could come along and inspire me the way that Warren does… I’ve seen flashes of it here and there from people like Kamala Harris…”–Mark

    When I hear people say they find Kala Harris inspiring while never mentioning Tulsi I am not inspired with confidence that we are close to ready for transformative change.

  14. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    It’s very clear that it was the stealthy strategy of an outside actor which installed Trump. The Trump presidential campaign was a ridiculous joke. There was little to no organization, terrible and contradictory strategy, and was essentially nothing but disarray. The wider GOP campaign was in much better shape but was still somewhat damaged and hindered by the chaos and conflict of the Trump folks.

    Trump almost looks like a deliberate strategy to gut the GOP. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that is what it ends up being.

    Still, of course the Democrats have a difficult time capitalizing on any opportunity or advantage. They usually piss it away with infighting and general idiocy.

  15. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Aloha iBobert, Nassau, is more like Miami than the rest of the Bahamas, has a relatively large Haitian immigrant population. Just like some neighborhoods in the US (my neighborhood for example) it is not recommended that you walk around at night alone, and not knowing where you are going. The two islands that were destroyed (some estimate as many as 40,000 washed away by the hurricane) Abaco (17,000) and Grand Bahama (50,000) are smaller and do not have the problems that Nassua (250,000) or Miami has with poverty and the need to form gangs–gangs are something poor people create (when rich people do it we call them Corporations and Organizations but same principles apply) to engage in mutual aid and protection. The per capita income of the Bahamas, is about 25% bigger than the per capita income of Ypsi (though it cost far more to live in the Bahamas).
    Abaco and Grand Bahama looks like they were hit by nuclear weapons (I suppose the energy in the hurricane exceeded the energy that many of our weapons would release). It is so heartening to see the President that all the evengelicals adore being so ….EOS, or HW how do you describe your Leaders response to this devastation of one of our neighbors?

  16. anonymous
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Nothing like conservatives trying to put their candidate (Gabbard) on the Democratic ticket. Here’s a thought. Fix your own fucking party.

  17. anonymous
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Where is Hyperbolic Pantload these days? Is he tired of winning?

  18. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Aloha anonymous, You should really listen to some of Tulis’s speeches. But then I suspect like many establishment Democrat, you are in favor of our endless wars–in fact you probably cheered when he fired missiles at Syria–how Presidential. You are probably all on board the new cold war–The only Democrat I hear railing against Trumps withdrawl from the INF is Tulsi–like most Democratic Party stalwarts you would rather loose to Trump again, then confront bad policy chooses that party has made.

    When the Republicans can campaign as the Peace Party–we are fucked.

  19. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Banyan Air Service is conducting relief efforts to Abaco and Grand Bahama

    “Supplies have been loaded and aircraft departed to the people of The Bahamas affected by Hurricane Dorian. Please help us fill these planes with much needed supplies. Visit our website for donation drop-off location and a list of items that are immediately needed.

    https://www.banyanair.com/bahamas-relief/

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    “Where is Hyborian Warlord these days? Is he tired of winning?”

    Nailed it for once. I’m bored with destroying your lies any time I feel like it. There is no competition here for me.

  21. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    I am not a “conservative”. I am not part of the “Republican party”. My hope is that we can transcend the type of binary thinking you just displayed. We are in this together. We need to figure out a way to unify and transcend our current mode of political being. If we have any hope of having that sort of revolution then many people, perhaps much like yourself, need to self-reflect. If along the way we can end some of the bullshit wars then I think that would be good for everyone–except for those benefiting from the war machine and all of those average- asleep-at-the-wheel-of-their-self-driving-Tesla-Dems who are unknowing wrapped around the greedy little fingers of ultra wealthy psychopaths.

    #wakeupdipshits
    #stoplying

  22. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    DD: “Aloha anonymous, You should really listen to some of Tulis’s speeches. But then I suspect like many establishment Democrat, you are…”

    I’m sorry, DD, but anonymous is nothing near an establishment Democrat. He’s another JB…or actually is JB.

  23. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    “When the Republicans can campaign as the Peace Party–we are fucked.”

    This line is a gem! DD and I disagree about a lot of stuff but agree on some things too. I just don’t know how an average Dem could read that line and not immediately feel a disruption in their soul requiring immediate attention from a mental health professional.

    #wakeupdipshits
    #stoplying

  24. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    I hope you are right iRobert.

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    IRobert- What does ‘genuine-looking customers’ mean and why would you imagine you wouldn’t be allowed to pass a dozen young men (let me guess their race)? Why was your passing that group unharmed even worth mentioning?

    Here’s a tip: B’s bias-based fear does not legitimize your own. While people often imagine crime spikes when their neighborhoods become more diverse. Even with all the inequity in policing, it’s rarely the case. I’ve seen this over and over again.

    Sometimes even local ice cream parlor owners are assholes.

  26. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    I predict iRobert’s response is going to be informative, insightful, elucidating and extremely fucking humorous.

  27. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Aloha, as always, when the Leader behaves like the amoral pos narcissist that he is, EOW and HW run and hide from commenting on his behavior. Seriously EOS, don’t you just love the Christian values the Leader brings to our government–(as long he appoints the right people to the SCOTUS you will follow him I know)

    Mark 7:6 New International Version (NIV)

    6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

    “‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.”

  28. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Aloha, A bit of good news for those who desire peace. “I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning,” Trump said in a tweet.

    Now if Trump would just admit that it was wrong to leave the Iran deal and the INF (both Bolton policies). Besides Tulsi, where do Democratic Presidential Candidates stand on those two issues.

  29. Lynne
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    I have to admit that I think it is funny that anyone would think Gabbard would make any ticket a winner but ok. If she gets on, I will vote for that ticket. However, I just don’t see any widespread support out there for her. I know that polling is flawed but the lack of support evidenced by the polls tells me she doesn’t have a chance. The winner will pick a VP with broader appeal, I imagine. Who knows though, maybe there is some grassroots support I am not aware of and those folks will pound the pavement hard for her. We will see.

  30. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Lynn, Tulsi is polling as high as 8% in some polls. She attracts many Independents who voted for Trump because they thought he was serious about his desire to end the wars. Probably why he just fired Bolton. Bolton’s war mongering is making it harder and harder for Trump to appear a “deal maker” –deal makers are not war makers. Trump handed the military complete control over his foreign policy and it has gone from bad to worse. Trump knows this is causing part of his appeal to wane-thus the fake Afghan peace talks. Trump fires Adleson’s boy Bolton, but looks like he gave the high sign to Netanyahu to go ahead and annex more of the West Bank. Trump’s foreign policy is pretty incoherent, (how can you make a deal with N. Korea or China when you just walked out of deals with Iran and Russia) no government body at this point trust Trump I’m sure.

    Who did Tim Kaine appeal too? Tulsi is by far the most real person among the candidates. She is smart and she is articulate. Her policy background is serious. She is principled. She endorsed Sanders and the whole establishment has been her enemy ever since. Another reason why she appeals to Independent voters.

  31. EOS
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    DD,

    Look at the alternative. Abortion loving, socialists that want to level exorbitant taxes on successful businessmen, and who want to destroy any ability to regulate our borders. Dems want to require the rest of the world to acknowledge more than 2 genders, and think minors should be allowed surgeries without parental notification if they “feel” they are trapped in the wrong body and any parent who objects will lose custody of their children. Dems think the government should have more control over minors than their parents. Dems think drag queens should read to children in public libraries and engage in horseplay while doing so. Dems think men should compete in sports as women if they really want to win with no regard for the women denied a fair shot. Dems actually think the world will end in 10 years unless they adopt the New Green Agenda. Dems think any man is guilty of whatever a woman accuses him of without any evidence. Dems think they can protest in the streets and destroy property and attack individuals if they disagree with them – and call the others fascists while they practice their intolerance.

    Seriously, Trump is an idiot, but the entire Democratic platform is anti-Christian. The Dems think their ideas are better than God’s, but that is exactly what got the devil in so much trouble.

  32. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    You are off in the weeds, wob. Amoral pos narcissist… What makes you think that your opinion there is the reality? I don’t have to explain every piddly ass thing you and the other goons on here are latching on to. I just think it is funny that you [individually and collectively] have gone from trying to degrade me as a human being with endless ad hominem attacks propped up with lies to obsessing on the most minute details about the President’s job and pouting when I am not here to tell you what is going on.

  33. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Lynn, New Emerson poll out today has Tulsi in 6th, closing in on Harris and Mayor Pete. You should watch some of her talks. She streams live many of her Town Hall events. This one was just the other day in Los Angeles.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV3Ho9kVlMw

  34. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, I always love how you try to be respectful and endearing makes me think nothing but positive thoughts. You are the most persuasive person I’ve ever interacted with–almost as charismatic as The Leader–I’m not only a dolt but also a goon, but I think I am being redundant.

    EOS, So, for the sake of your tradition (substitute politics) , you have made void the word of God. You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me; in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'” (Matthew 15:9 RSV)

  35. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    I am respectful to other respectful people. I can even choose to be respectful to disrespectful people and let them dig their own hole if I want to. Then if I want I can open a can of whoop-ass on them when I tire of their attacks. It’s good stuff being able to handle all these situations.

  36. Lynne
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Honestly, her support for Bashar al-Assad makes me question just how ‘anti-war’ she really is. I have listened to her. I am not impressed. But hey, I am just one voter and one, like everyone, in a bit of a bubble. I am just saying that other than here, I have not heard too many voices in support of her. I have heard a lot of criticism of her though and most of it seems pretty fair although admittedly, I haven’t fact-checked everything. How much that means remains to be seen but if I had to bet money on the outcome, I suspect that she has burned too many bridges to get the nomination or be chosen for the ticket as VP.

  37. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Lynne, I really don’t get this “her support for”. She called him a brutal dictator then, she calls him a brutal dictator now. Tulsi is smeared by the War profiteers constantly for a reason.
    It is like our war in Afghanistan. The country that we are there defending now– is called the Islamic State of Afghanistan. Did you know in that country that we are spending 4 billion dollars a month on, it is a Capital Crime to be homosexual. It is not a “capital crime” in Assad’s Syria (you can get up to 3 years in prison). Which is worse the death penalty or imprisonment ? We have killed up to 300,000 Afghan civilians in trying to suppress the Taliban. Assad has killed many in trying to suppress ISSIS. Which is worse?

    At this point it really seems, you are either for endless war, American troops fighting in at least 7 (current theaters of operations) nations, inflicting civilian deaths in all those countries, or, We find a way to make peace, cooperate with all countries that want to cooperate with us, and move to a more peaceful (at least for us) multi-polar world. A necessary change if we are going to confront climate change in any meaningful way.
    but I am nothing more than a dolt and a goon (JH and HW agree on some things just have different names for the same)–so let’s just keep giving the store away to the Military Industrial Security Apparatus–they know so much more and we can count on them to act in all our interest.

  38. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    JH: “IRobert- What does ‘genuine-looking customers’ mean…”

    You’d have to ask B what detail she uses to determine whether or not a person or people at her door are genuine customers. I assume she’s come to know on sight most of the troublemakers in her neighborhood and prohibits them entry to her business. I assume my friend and I were let in because we were obviously tourists and likely genuinely interested in purchasing some ice cream.

    JH: “…and why would you imagine you wouldn’t be allowed to pass a dozen young men (let me guess their race)?”

    I didn’t have to imagine they wouldn’t let us pass, because they made it quite clear it wouldn’t be a decision left to us. I wasn’t concerned with anybody’s “race” and was more interested in negotiating our safe passage. Would you guess that these young men were Bahamian? Wow, that’s impressive.

    JH: “Why was your passing that group unharmed even worth mentioning?”

    I mentioned it because Trump had mentioned gangs in the Bahamas. Some people might assume they don’t exist. I was also quite relieved this particular group could be reasoned with as long as we treated them with deference. I wanted to make the point that gangs are still human beings. There was no question this group was a very tough street gang, and we were fortunate they responded favorably to being treated with respect.

    JH: “Here’s a tip: B’s bias-based fear does not legitimize your own.”

    Here’s a tip for everyone excluding Jean: Don’t bother listening to tips from insane people.

    B didn’t seem afraid so much as fed up with harassment directed at her, her business, and her customers. Still, she was a very sweet lady and didn’t seem hateful at all. The gang clearly demanded some fear be felt, thought I didn’t feel any anger or hate toward them. I assumed it was their neighborhood, and it certainly was not mine.

    JH: “While people often imagine crime spikes when their neighborhoods become more diverse. Even with all the inequity in policing, it’s rarely the case. I’ve seen this over and over again.
    Sometimes even local ice cream parlor owners are assholes.”

    B is Bahamian, and an absolutely lovely person. She was concerned that we may have needed help. But I assured her we would be okay for the rest of our scooter ride around the island, which we were. You Jean, on the other hand, are the very definition of asshole.

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    The term “support for Assad” is devoid of real world meaning but it is full of real world function. Take a look at the sources of that specific message and question those sources. The source might be the news you consume. The source might also be your close relative who works in the state department. Question them both. By doing this you might catch a glimpse of the truth. The downside is you might start finding the world less “funny”.

  40. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    “Burned too many bridges” is an interesting phrase. I guess you could say she burned a bridged that may have linked her to Harris’ favor but I don’t see it that way. Tulsi built a bridge so that we could gain a vantage point into an ugly reality about Harris’ character/ record. How accepting of corruption would someone need to be in order to consider that act an example of Tulsi “burning a bridge”?

  41. Lynne
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Tulsi made a choice to fully back Sanders in 2016 and that has turned her off to a pretty major segment of the party. I think too that in the same way people are angry with Harris for “attacking” Biden, some people are angry with Gabbard for “attacking” Harris. I dont really hold either thing against those two but it does illustrate how primary politics are different than general election politics.

  42. Lynne
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    DD, both are bad. But I cannot vote for someone who supports a man like Assad. She does too even though she clearly acknowledges his brutality. In some ways, she is as much of a warmonger as anyone running. She just only is cool with it if it is the rebels we fight rather than the establishment. Her rhetoric about regime change seems to make her values pretty clear to me and I simply don’t share them. I don’t like that she was meeting with him. I also don’t like *her* record of being anti-choice and anti-gay and I am not sure how much I trust her transformation. I mean, I get it that people evolve but has she really? Is it possible that Harris has? Or Biden for that matter? All of them have records that are questionable.

  43. John Brown
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Lynne’s characterization of Gabbard seems about right. Plus, to the down side, she checks a lot of boxes as a desirable disruptor candidate for Putin’s allies (eg. FF&HW). And she’s a physically attractive Army chick that has obvious “appeal” to incels and keyboard warriors like HW. (Ew, sorry about that image). No wonder she gets so much face time on Breitbart.

  44. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    It’s good John Bolton is out. He said he resigned. Trump said he was fired. It’s just good that maniac is out.

  45. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Is there a single person out there who was pro-Bolton?

  46. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Hillary Clinton’s explicit flip flop on gay marriage occurred 6 years ago. A decade earlier Trump was making out with Giuliani in drag.

  47. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    JB seems to want to assume Tulsi appeals to incels so that he can assume that a woman’s power resides primarily in her physical beauty? You haven’t used the term “pussy” in awhile JB. Remember when you used to use the term “pussy” all the time?

    The last time I saw Tulsi on CNN she, in a very nice way, made the host look like an idiot. My assumption is that CNN and MSNBC do not want her on their shows…

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    That’s funny an internet pussy like whoever types John Brown in the name box when they post would try to call me a keyboard warrior. You have no problem trying to incite violence against me when you are at the keyboard but you could never back it up in person.

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Incel is so far off the mark it’s pathetic. It is interesting to see what YOU imagine about someone you don’t know.

  50. anonymous
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Incel = “involuntary celibate”

    Are you saying that your celibacy isn’t involuntary, HW?

  51. Sad
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    To avoid anyone getting hurt please remember that any meet ups in person can only involve wrestling.

    And only if wearing short shorts.

    IRobert encountered some hooligans on vacation in the Bahamas . Doesn’t that mean you agree with Trump and Stephen Miller that the administration should be parsimonious in terms of granting visas for people to come stay with relatives who live in the US?

    So Elizabeth Warren doesn’t even want to be President? Or she does and the powers that be are just letting her run to achieve some other goal?

    Is Mayor Pete a pawn also?

  52. Caroline Orr by proxy
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    “There’s a reason Steve Bannon wanted to give Tulsi Gabbard a position in the Trump administration. There’s also a reason the neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer boosted Tulsi’s 2020 campaign.”

    https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1171587728586268674?s=20

  53. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    “Her rhetoric about regime change seems to make her values pretty clear to me and I simply don’t share them.”

    I was trying to figure out what you mean here. When I hear the term “regime change war” I think it is referencing the USA installing a new regime, through covert action or through military action, in our attempt to gain a (financial) advantage to serve the interests of people we are connected to, without regard for the human/ social costs incurred by the citizens of the country we are “changing”. When you hear “regime change war” you think it is about avoiding wars which are supposedly fighting for the safety of the citizens under the specific oppressive regime?

  54. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Urh, I don’t know anything about him but I’m going to keep a running gag going for years that he’s an INCEL!!! Huh huh huh huhrrr dat’s funny…

  55. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    We have our fare share of psychopaths on mm.com, for sure. We have people here who **ENJOY** imagining that the commenters they disagree with are unemployed and lacking intimacy in their lives.

  56. Sad
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    To each their own.

    Live and let live.

    You like to imagine you’re smarter than everyone else. What’s the difference?

  57. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    Sad,

    I don’t think I am smarter than everyone here.

    However, I think it is valid to question the effectiveness of my short-lived #wakeupdipshits campaign. If it is any consolation I do hope we can all grow in our understanding here and I would point out that particular hope is also a built-in feature of my admittedly somewhat misguided #wakeupdipshits campaign.

    At bottom I have a fundamental belief in discourse as a means toward discovering the truth. What is the difference between a) discourse from reason which aims at discovering the truth; and b) fallacious reasoning which aims at suppressing discourse from reason?

    Although I think you are smart, I imagine you are a failure in your professional-life, financial-life, personal-life and love-life; therefore I do not expect you are capable of answering my question.

  58. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    #sarcasm

  59. iRobert
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 5:07 am | Permalink

    Sad, I do think it makes a lot more sense for the US to set up aid stations on the two islands which were devastated by the hurricane. This would help Bahamians in recovering and rebuilding. It’s the same thing I would have hoped we’d do for Puerto Rico a couple years back.

    On the topic of primary candidates, I’d say it’s hard to imagine any way in which Mayor Pete might be a pawn of an value at present. Though I’m sure if he gained support to the level of Warren or Harris, we could assume the party managers would be taking action to assure the overall strategy of the party is served.

    It has looked as though some interest may want Mayor Pete out of the race, but it’s anyone’s guess who or why.

    Tulsi is definitely seen as a party crasher and there are plenty of interests which have been taking action to marginalize her.

  60. Lynne
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    FF, yes. There are regimes that are so bad that it would be wrong not to assist or facilitate a regime change. The classic example is Nazi Germany.

    It is often a tough call so the important thing is to elect someone who has the good judgement to make such decisions. Luckily, there are plenty of such people running.

    And hey, if YOU trust Gabbard, vote for her in the primaries! That is, imho, the best time to vote for the candidate you like the most. Even if your preferred candidate has little chance. At the very least it gives the eventual winner valuable information about the values represented within the party base.

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Too bad your favorite communist ninjas antifa aligned with Hitler’s national socialists against the moderates back in the 30’s as I showed. Haven’t noticed any outright support or defense of antifa since dropping that bomb on your bitch ass. Haven’t seen anyone take back their antifa support though either.

  62. anonymous
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Just a question, why is lacking intimacy something to be ashamed of? I always wondered that.

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    You always wondered why you think that? Why do you try to insinuate it about me?

  64. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    You wouldn’t be trying to (weakly, ineffectively) shame me would you?

  65. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Road Of Kings baby

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpK_3e5E42o

  66. anonymous
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    no, i am just asking

  67. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Why ask someone else about something you do?

  68. Jean Henry
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Lacking intimacy is not shameful. Many people are lonely and lacking intimacy. Many of those people are married or otherwise partnered. Many of those people have sex regularly. INCEL points to people who live in resentment because they lack sexual partners and experience rejection from prospective partners. I doubt most are even interested in intimacy frankly. Not all sexual encounters are intimate and not all intimacy is sexual. It sucks that we make fin of loneliness as all of us have experienced it at one time or another. I would prefer we targeted resentment, which we also all experience, but which is really the heart of the problems pointed to.

  69. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Why would you call me an incel when you have no idea how much sex I have? If you had evidence of that maybe it would stick. Problem is it clearly doesn’t stick. It’s a moronic fixation on your wish that no woman would have sex with a Trump supporter. It’s another one of those things where if you knew me then you would forget about trying to say that. It’s so childish to just be like “wull yr a blah blah blah…” To live your life like that throughout the years is crazy I think.

  70. anonymous
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a twist worthy of M Night Shyamalan. What if WE are HW’s intimate partners? What if this website is the closest he’s ever come to love?

  71. anonymous
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Maybe we aren’t making HW feel wanted? Maybe his posts are a veiled cry for help?

  72. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    “why is lacking intimacy something to be ashamed of?”

    Intimacy and sex are good for our health. I think we should have empathy for people who want intimacy but can’t get it. It is an unhealthy situation for them. Those people should not be ashamed of their situation but you should be ashamed when you try to shame such people.

    Your level of understanding is kindergarten.

    It is easy to expose how full of crap you are. You can’t ask “why are people supposed to feel ashamed of their lack of intimacy” and in the same breath try to shame people for their supposed lack of intimacy–which you just made up–for the purpose of shaming. It makes no sense. You should be ashamed of your attempts at bulying, not just because they come from mean plus but also you be ashamed because your attempts at bullying are so very very weak. You should be ashamed because your inconsistencies expose you as a fraud in such obvious ways.

  73. anonymous
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    i don’t think that its fare to make fun of a persons lack of sex

  74. John Brown
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Clearly trumpees are having sex. Often with a cousin or sibling. Case in point these specimens in the slide show at the open carry rally.

    https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/09/signs-should-be-allowed-inside-michigan-capitol-lawmaker-says-on-open-carry-day.html

  75. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    That is good, anonymous. Making fun of people is not nice. When you make fun of people it often makes you look worse than the person you are trying to make fun of.

  76. Anonymous
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    I am glad that FF is finally realizing why Donald Trump is so hated by so many people. It looks like FF is developing, finally. Progress.

  77. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    “What if WE are HW’s intimate partners? What if this website is the closest he’s ever come to love?”

    ‘What if’ is a fun game. What if my detractors had to eat years of their own lies already but I haven’t had to at all? Oh wait – I don’t have to childishly speculate like you do. That’s the reality.

  78. Elliott
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Making fun of people is not nice

  79. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    “Elliott
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 2:38 pm | Permalink
    “Making fun of people is not nice“

    So predictable and far behind. He used to do that same little pantomime about other people too. I posted a compilation a loooong time ago of him doing that a bunch of times about able-bodied people. Why don’t inconvenient facts like that ever stick with maynardites? You just go on like nothing ever happened after being totally deflated.

  80. Elliott
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Making fun of people is not nice

  81. Elliott
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Making fun of people is not nice

  82. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    When have I ever said “Trump is a nice guy”? Nice or not nice has never been the issue. Whether or not people hate Trump has never been the issue either. Have I ever argued that you shouldn’t hate Trump. Why would I care if you have hate in your heart for Trump? The issue has always been whether or not the hate manifests itself in various forms of deception and lies. The question has always been whether or not your feelings somehow ought to magically invalidate a democratically elected president.

    I have told the story before. My biggest Trump supporting friend was confronted by an anti-Trump friend. My anti-Trump friend said “I think Trump is an asshole”. My Trump supporting friends said “Trump IS an asshole”.

    Everybody knows Trump has consistently done and said things most decent people would never say. What is your point?

  83. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Well waah! Meanie-head Twump! I thought Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned? They haven’t done shit, have they? None of these political smears have done anything to him.

    Don’t forget: lies have consequences. All this frame-up shit you tried to do hasn’t worked. Now the stage is set for declas. All the major traitors are going to get busted. That’s why they have been going insane trying to get Trump.

  84. Sad
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    HW have you not seen the counts of how many times Trump has lied since he’s been in office?

    I have no interest in your sex life.

    I would like to see the wrestling match between you and your foes.

  85. anonymous
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    It is ok that turmp is a liar and a terrible person, they like liars and terrible people, i guess

  86. John Brown
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    It’s what they know. All NPDs share those traits.

  87. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Have you tried to count how many lies about Trump I myself have obliterated right here on this site?

  88. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Fake John Brown,

    It seems to me that you spend an unusually large amount of time/energy assigning false attributions to other people. You seem like a person that is willing to try to manipulate perceptions even with falsehoods if you perceive you will gain an advantage. The actual truth is not one of your primary concerns…

    #notgood

  89. Sad
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Yes HW you’ve exposed lies about a Trump, why can’t you admit Trump lies?

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    You ought to acknowledge it when I do destroy the lies around here. What lies in particular? Do you think they compare to Obama’s crimes or Bush or Clinton? Do you not understand Obama is a CIA baby yet? They took control a long time ago and with it they took your ability to think.

    You try to vilify anyone with enough sense to understand it because you don’t understand it yourself. That is why you hate Trump. You sense the panic of the (former) puppetmasters you follow and latch on to their every failed angle. It’s incredible; they have you calling people like me fascists when it is you who follows them who were formed with nazi spies.

  91. Sad
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    What’s a CIA baby? Do you think Obama was born in Kenya?

    I would never call you a fascist. Really.

  92. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Quite a high percentage of posters do though and I don’t see you defending reason against them. What do you think a ‘CIA baby’ would be? Did Obama’s parents meet in Russian class? Is Russian a common language to learn? What kind of job would require speaking Russian?

  93. Sad
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    I can’t fight your battles HW. It’s difficult enough trying to push mayor Pete. I can’t do that and defend you.

    I didn’t know about the Russian class. You’re so smart.

  94. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2019 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    I don’t need anyone to fight for me. I am doing fine in that regard you must admit. Just don’t hassle me with nonsense.

  95. John Brown
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    And now Agent Orange offers Iran 15 billion to comply with a deal that he tore up. What a fucking idiot and if you voted for him you are a fucking idiot too. It really isn’t rocket science to come to this conclusion. If you still support him you are a POS who failed citizenship 101 by voting for a foreign asset and must ultimately accept responsibility. UNLESS, you share the orange ones psychological faults of lacking self awareness and have a self opinion detached from reality. In that case continue as normal.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-deal-iran-15-billion-nuclear-france-2019-9

  96. iRobert
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    JB,

    Which of our resident Trump supporters do you think will jump ship first? I’ve asked them to announce it here when they do. They might be too embarrassed though. So I want everyone to promise not to shame them when they do. Will you take that pledge? It okay to shame them right up to that moment though, of course.

  97. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    My cousin studied and speaks Russian. He was just interested in Russia and Russian history (his undergraduate degree). He lives in Alaska and did cultural exchanges, worked on economic development with the Inuit in Russia. I don’t think there are to many spies lurking around in Arctic Russia. Now he’s a lawyer who helps set up cooperative businesses. That may make him a commie in your eyes, HW but an unlikely spy.

  98. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    I wonder what percentage of HW’s posts are devised to his political perspective v his declarations of superiority.

  99. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    *devoted

  100. John Brown
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    iR, I think very few of those complicit in treason will ever accept responsibility. But whether I ridicule them or not should be immaterial to their sense of personal responsibility. When I took my oath “to protect The Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic” there was no specific guidance on just how to go about it. But I think its way too early to be talking reconciliation with the side who are increasingly reckless with our democracy. eg. the North Carolina State House GOP cheaters.

    https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article234962017.html

  101. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    “I wonder what percentage of HW’s posts are devised to his political perspective v his declarations of superiority.”

    The obliteration of your argument demonstrates the superiority of mine. I don’t have to rely on declarations like you do.

  102. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    “When I took my oath “to protect The Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic” there was no specific guidance on just how to go about it.”–JB

    LOL.

    The framework and “guidance” is clearly given within the full oath. It is not a promise to be some fake-as-fuck rogue justice warrior without a clue… Taking a military oath is swearing to *support* and protect the constitution within a chain of command; and you are agreeing to subject yourself to military court processes, if you fail to fulfill your promise, according to those military processes.

    How are you supporting the constitution when you seem to have no clue or interest in basic due process spelled out in the constitution? How does JB’s multiple suggestions (based upon merely his feelings) that the president ought to hung from a citgo station jive with JB’s supposed promise to support constitutional due process? Answer: It doesn’t jive, man.

    The more you talk the more I realize how big of a fraud you are.

  103. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    “Duh, I don’t know why I am under arrest. Duh, I took an oath to protect the constitution against things I perceived as threats to the constitution. Duh, I don’t know what the constitution says because I didn’t read it. Duh, I was never given specific spiritual guidance to not stock pile unusual amounts of ammo and guns. Duh, nobody ever told me not to murder the president if I thought he was guilty of treason…Duh, I am just trying to fulfil my promises.”

    My guess is Fake John Brown is not getting a 10% discount at Home Depot.

  104. Jean Henru
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    [Hyborian Warlord
    “I wonder what percentage of HW’s posts are devised to his political perspective v his declarations of superiority.”
    The obliteration of your argument demonstrates the superiority of mine. I don’t have to rely on declarations like you do.]

    HW–Might want to re-read your reply there…

    What is the point of arguing with someone who self-contradicts in his own statements?

  105. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Not a self-contradiction.

  106. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    I don’t think it is either, Jean Henru. I post plenty enough factual information with reasoned arguments to dismantle an enormous quantity of fallacies and false claims made here. It’s true. Give your eyes a good scrub and go back and read things carefully.

    We all know I and others on here like Flakes, EOS and wobblie of all people were correct on Russian collusion while you went absolutely insane over every single false lead. That’s a whole lot of evidence to support what I say right there, not to mention alll the other shit I proved you wrong on.

    Now the conspirators are fucked and soon it will be set in stone: you psychotically attacked the true patriots and defenders of humanity on behalf of criminal intelligence networks. I told you they would be in trouble for ill shit like child trafficking and you (individually and collectively) went psycho, trying to ridicule me as a conspiracy theorist. Well guess what? Some conspiracies are fact. Epstein being given special treatment for “being intelligence” ought to give you a muhfuh’n clue.

  107. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    I have never claimed to be able to predict the future, HW.

    None of that has anything to do with your above statement of superiority. The rest is a San because you can’t stop telling everyone how great you are. Your bravado looks like almost pathological insecurity to most everyone else.

  108. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    *wash not San

  109. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    I mean give me a fuckin’ break. Epstein was a Bond movie villain. The island has so many headscratching features it’s bizarre, not to mention his other properties. His female villain counterpart Ghislane Maxwell has a submarine operator’s license. He had a plan (implemented?) to impregnate dozens of women to seed humanity with his Jeff genes.

    Life is weird as shit. I think it is weird not to know that and actually try to degrade people who pick up on the REAL fucked up shit occurring in this world. The Epstein arrest and associated drip of information into the public sphere is powerful vindication of what said for years. The cascading effect I told you about will cement it.

  110. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Sounds like sour grapes. I like sour grapes; those tasty little wild ones.

  111. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Jean Henry: spokesperson for most everyone

  112. iRobert
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Jean calling HW egomaniacal is like the pot calling the kettle… uh, um, …nevermind..

  113. John Brown
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    FF, none of your GOP BS and dirty tricks matters one lick. All that does is that you support an enemy of the Constitution , making you one also.

    My oath: “I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

    So clearly the goal of any loyal American should be to stay within the bounds of The Constitution, including providing for due process and the right to bear arms. On the law I am on solid ground, unlike your ruskie stooge. And I stand by my assertion that any mickey mouse wannabe dictator that models his ascent to leadership on Mussolini stands an elevated risk of having his obese, bloated, maggot infested corpse hung upside down from a Citgo awning. That’s just one of those laws of nature. When a leader suspends the rule of law either explicitly or implicitly he assumes the risk of the consequences himself. History (ever heard of it?) is littered with such corpses.

    And while the fly-buzzing orange corpse image gives me warm feels, I’m perfectly content with knowing that the consensus of the history books will be that he and his diehard supporters were a cult-ish aberration and will be forever enshrined as the antithesis to the American way. And ridicule. Be prepared to be ridiculed for supporting a foreign agent for as long as you live.

  114. iRobert
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Content aside. JB is really quite eloquent.

  115. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    “Be prepared to be ridiculed for supporting a foreign agent for as long as you live.”

    You can choose to keep doing it if you want to. It only makes you look insane though. You sound like a mass murderer.

  116. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been called many things, HW but never egomaniacal. Until now. I don’t post puffed up declarations of my own superiority on the inter webs. I do think I can speak for the impressions of ‘most people’ when it comes to your behavior here. I understand that’s a demonstration of ego but it’s not an assertion That I’m right or better than anyone else. I can be corrected.

    I’d be interested in anyone who can somehow demonstrate that HW does but regularly speak to his own superiority.

    Whether or not I’m a self-inflated blowhard is irrelevant to establishing whether or not HW is one.

  117. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    If I hold my arguments are superior then does it follow I think I am a superior human being? You are projecting again. I didn’t say you are an egomaniac but I do think you have a fragile one. That’s why you can’t admit to the many many times I have skunked you with reason. None of you can.

    For example you are still so in shock from that antifa bombshell I dropped you don’t know what hit you. You said why do I call anti-fascists communists? History lesson ensued. That’s when I found out the same year antifa was founded by the kommunist party they formed an alliance with the nazis. They called them Working People’s Comrades. The irony level is unprecedented. It’s off the charts.

  118. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    See I don’t have to inflate anything. Reality is delivering on exactly what I have said. The pattern is clear. The public show is only just beginning so there is still time to make popcorn.

  119. iRobert
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Seems egomaniacal to say you’re beyond MLK in your understanding of racism and strategies for remedying it.

    Do you also feel you know more about being president than George Washington did, because it was so long ago?

    Please remember, you’ve never been black, nor President.

  120. iRobert
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Jean will now try to suggest only “white” people bring up MLK. In that way she is part of the racist movement to erase the challenge to America posed by MLK.

  121. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    IRobert— you misrepresented my views again. I actually very much welcome the challenge that MLK made to America. What I said is that many Black Americans are openly critical of the way MLK ‘s message has been edited/sanitized by White liberals down to a few quotations and speeches that are less challenging to their viewpoint than his complete and evolving record.

  122. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    http://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/opinion/martin-luther-king-new-york

  123. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Oops link didn’t work: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/opinion/martin-luther-king-new-york.html

  124. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    https://www.thenation.com/article/martin-luther-king-trump-wall-jim-crow/

  125. iRobert
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Jean, it’s good to see you changing your attitude about MLK and at least pretending for the moment to bring your ego back in check.

  126. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    ‘Then, there is the Martin Luther King Jr. that exists in the collective white memory. Through a complex combination of whitewashing, self-guilt and the intentional rewriting of history that absolves them of their hatred, they have painted a sanitized, impressionist portrait of a civil rights icon whose dreams were fulfilled by America’s unwavering commitment to justice and equality‘

    No change IRobert. You just aren’t listening.

  127. iRobert
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    You certainly have changed your stance.

    You were very dismissive of MLK as no longer relevant.

    Now you’re discovering it wasn’t MLK that was outdated, but your knowledge of what he did and said.

    So now you’re back peddling. I’m glad. You should. You’re ego has been way out there. It’s critical that you reign it back in and bring it back someplace closer to reality.

  128. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 12, 2019 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    When you are feeling you are losing heart just know that one time Hillary Clinton sat at a replica of the Oval Office desk.

    https://twitter.com/kg_ubu/status/1171778308729638912

  129. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 13, 2019 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    “FF, none of your GOP BS and dirty tricks matters one lick.”

    Not a Republican.

    “…[T]he goal of any loyal American should be to stay within the bounds of The Constitution, including providing for due process…”

    I don’t know what you mean when you say individuals should stay within the bounds of the constitution. You did not take an oath to never break a law. You took an oath to support and defend the constitution. I am glad you are now explicitly stating you support due process. The problem is your past statements contradict your recent claimed support for due process. John Brown is rarely heard talking about the constitutional processes of impeachment. John Brown is rarely heard providing the argument and evidence for the constitutional processes of impeachment. No, 9 time of 10 JB is expressing his seditious fantasy about the president leaving office by way of unconstitutional lynching. Lynching is not a constitutional process but impeachment is. It is not simply a matter of supporting the president it is matter of supporting the constitutional processes in your words and actions. You fail at this Fake John Brown.

    BTW, you actually said “so help me god” to get the job? How could you do that?

    For those of you who forgot, JB argued, about a year ago that people who believe in God are so stupid they should be stripped of their constitutionally protected voting rights.

    Apparently you are not very good at keeping promises, Fake John Brown. I think you have a lot of thinking to do.

  130. John Brown
    Posted September 13, 2019 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Hey smarty pants,

    The Constitution is the ultimate law of the land so I always figured anyone with a working grasp of words would interpret “that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same” to mean follow the fucking law. Agent orange fails miserably on this count despite his oath being even more explicit with regard to the law.

    “So help me god” has long been optional and is usually replaced by “this I swear”, except by the archaics who cant trust themselves to keep an oath without the threat of a lightning strike from cloud man.

    As to everything else you ignorantly blather on about – see the 1st Amendment

  131. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 13, 2019 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    It’s the ones you support who broke the law. They illegally spied on Donald Trump and everyone associated with him. They used fraudulent documents from Russian sources paid for by Trump’s opposition. I don’t get how you are still clinging on to this shit. It’s embarrassing. All those people are sweating right now waiting for it to drop. You are just going to carry on like nothing is happening though. In fact you think the walls are closing in on the President. Hahaha, wrong as always. God I love this life.

  132. Jean Henry
    Posted September 13, 2019 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Sounds like the grand jury may have thrown out the Mc Cabe indictment. (Unprecedented and embarrassing)

    —More likely than the indictment is under seal. But under seal works for your purposes so run with that.

  133. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 13, 2019 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Fake news by Fox you think? Seems to be true. DOJ rejects last ditch effort by McCabe lawyers.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-attorney-recommends-proceeding-with-charges-against-mccabe-as-doj-rejects-last-ditch-appeal

  134. Jean Henry
    Posted September 13, 2019 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    FOX News…. I’ll wait for the indictment, thanks.

  135. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 13, 2019 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    You say I am biased but I use information based on it’s quality not my feeling about the source. I use NPR, CNN, NYT…all that shit. To be unable to accept information from Fox (who beat the pants off all the outlets I mentioned regarding kahloozhun for one thing) is evidence of bias. In your case bias is evidence of projection.

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