Can we at least agree on this much?

I know we don’t agree on much, but I’d like to think that most of us can at least agree on the following two points.

1. Leaving aside to what extent it helped Donald Trump, or whether or not members of the Trump campaign encouraged its happening, I’d like to think that we can all now agree that the Russians interfered in our 2016 election. As Special Counsel Robert Mueller said in his May 29 statement, “Russian intelligence officers who are part of the Russian military, launched a concerted attack on our political system… (T)hey used sophisticated cybertechniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate.” Not only that, but, according to Mueller, there was also an aggressive Russian social media operation, in which Russian citizens posing as Americans sought to influence an election and sow discord. We knew this before Mueller submitted his report, of course. In January 2017, the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Agency, and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint report concluding that Russia had interfered in the election. Some, as you may recall, doubted the findings at the time, in large part, no doubt, because Donald Trump, even after being briefed on the evidence, continued to publicly refer to this coordinated campaign of Putin’s as a “hoax” and talk about how he believed Putin when he said that Russia had nothing to do with it. But, if there was any lingering doubt as to whether or not the Russians actually engaged in election interference back in 2016, it should have been completely eliminated by the Mueller report, which laid the whole thing bare in exquisite detail… Here, if you’ve yet to read Volume 1 of the report, which is all about the Russian campaign, is a taste.

[If you haven’t either read the Mueller report or listened to the audio yet, you really should.]

So, I’d like to think that… regardless of whether you support Donald Trump, or think that he should be impeached… we might all be able to agree that the Russians did, in fact, seek to interfere in our election. Is that now safe to say?

2. Given the above, I’d like to think we can all further agree that, in order to maintain election integrity in the United States, we need to do whatever we can in order to ensure that, from this point forward, foreign nations, like Russia, are not able to interfere in our elections. My hope, regardless of where each of us sits along the political continuum, is that we can agree not only that Russia did, in fact, interfere in this last election of ours, but that the founding fathers where absolutely correct when they put into place laws to protect us from the corrosive effects of foreign interference. I mean, I suspect that we all, regardless of political persuasion, know that it’s illegal for candidates to accept the assistance of foreign agents, but my hope is that most don’t just know that it’s against the law, but actually understand why its something to be guarded against. With that said, I wanted to share a brief clip from a thread by former FBI agent Asha Rangappa, which gets right to the heart of it.

Again, for the purposes of this post, my intention isn’t to make the case that Trump should be impeached. [I’ve got other posts for that.] Yes, his comments a few days ago about how he would accept the assistance of a hostile foreign government without alerting authorities were terrifying, but, for the time being, I just want to see if we can find some common ground around these two simple facts… Fist, that Russia interfered in our 2016 election. And, second, that we should do whatever we can in order to ensure that Russia and other countries are stopped from doing this in the future. This, it seems to me, should not be a partisan issue. Every American, one would think, would want to keep the intelligence organizations of other countries from hacking the emails of our politicians, initiating disinformation campaigns, and attempting to breach our electronic voting systems.

OK, so if we agree that Russia interfered in the last presidential election, and that interference is bad, can we also agree that we need to pass laws to disincentivized this kind of behavior, and safeguard our future elections? Again, this shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Patriotic, democracy-loving Americans, regardless of party affiliation, shouldn’t want Russia helping a Republican candidate, and they shouldn’t want China helping a Democratic one. And, fortunately, a lot of folks in Congress seem to agree, seeing as how there are numerous pieces of election security legislation that have been drafted by members of both parties in the wake of 2016. Unfortunately, thanks to a few individuals, like Senators Mitch McConnell and Marsha Blackburn, however, those bills aren’t being given an opportunity to be debated. As Senator Mark Warner said a few days ago, they’re just “collecting dust.” And, unfortunately, that appears to be what Donald Trump wants.

I get some that some of you absolutely adore Donald Trump, and will automatically be against anything that they see as having to potential to negatively impact his chances to win reelection in 2020, but I find it hard to believe that any American would object to something like Mark Warner’s FIRE (Foreign Influence Reporting in Elections) Act – the proposed legislation that Trump was reacting to in the above tweet – which requires that presidential campaigns report election interference to the FBI.

For the purposes of this post, I’m not suggesting that we get behind any particular piece of legislation, like the FIRE Act, or the Deter Act, or the Defending the Integrity of Voting Systems Act, which would make it a federal crime to hack any voting systems used in a federal election. I don’t know which bill is best. I just want all of them debated in public, and for us to take some action toward addressing what I hope we can all agree is a very serious problem.

So, if we can agree on all of those things… If we can agree that Russia interfered, that such interference is bad for our country, and that we need to debate legislative solutions to address election integrity, how do we move forward when Mitch McConnell has made it clear that he has no intention to bring legislation to the floor of the Senate? How do we, in these highly polarized times, build a bipartisan movement around something as unsexy, but as hugely critical as election integrity? I’d love to hear your ideas.

OK, here’s one last thing… a video compilation of instances in which McConnell and others have taken steps to kill discussion surrounding bipartisan election integrity bills. Hopefully it’ll inspire one or two of you to share this post, contact your elected officials, or perhaps convince a friend in Kentucky to run against McConnell. [I can’t wait until someone announces a run against Mitch in McConnell. As someone who was born in Kentucky, and still has family there, I’m anxious to get involved in the race.]

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281 Comments

  1. EOS
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    No, we don’t agree. If Russia hacked Clinton’s emails, and shared them via Wikileaks, they merely exposed the truth. They didn’t spread fake news. Clinton on the other hand, disseminated lies about Trump and used dirty tactics to destroy a Sanders, Cruz, and Paul’s campaigns. It may very well be that neither Russia nor the American people would benefit from the globalist elite gaining the office of President for another term. Thank God Clinton wasn’t successful.

  2. Karl
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    “No, we don’t agree. If Russia hacked Clinton’s emails, and shared them via Wikileaks, they merely exposed the truth.”

    Just to clarify, EOS, you are OK with spies from other countries interfering in our elections, but only in so far as it damages the electoral chances of Democrats. Do I have that right?

    Here’s a single test to see if you’re full of shit.

    Would it be OK with you if the Chinese hacked the IRS and released Trump’s tax returns?

  3. Anonymous
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Imagine Clinton going on stage at the Democratic National Convention and imploring the Chinese to hack Donald Trump’s tax returns. I love that idea. And you KNOW that EOS would be here the day after they were released, defending Clinton and the Chinese, saying that “they merely exposed the truth”.

  4. EOS
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Why would Trump’s tax returns have any significance? He made lots of money and took advantage of every legal tax loophole. He’s been audited a number of times. If you don’t like the results, change the laws. You can’t impeach him for making lots of money either.

  5. Karl
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Great, so you’d be OK with a foreign government hacking them and making them public? Terrific. How about his Vietnam-era medical records? Like you said, it would “merely expose the truth” right?

  6. iRobert
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Karl & Anonymous,

    One of the rules here is that EOS doesn’t answer questions. Maybe you’re new here and didn’t know that.

  7. Sad
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    There is very little common ground. Why try to find it?

    The great Sun God Trump, although flawed, acts as a vehicle of Gods will.

  8. iRobert
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    To respond to Marks question, I will say “yes” I agree we should not want foreign governments interfering in our elections and should certainly guard against it.

    I would also ad that attempts by foreign governments to interfere in the internal matters of this country is obviously not something new. Our intelligence agencies are well aware of these threats. So, why do you suppose this concern of yours, Mark, does not appear to have been a concern of US intelligence agencies leading up to the 2016 election?

  9. EOS
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Since you all are so against foreign entities having influence on our campaigns then I’m sure you’ll be speaking out about Biden’s son accepting one billion in investments for his firm from the Chinese after he accompanied his father on an official state visit to China.

    Hypocrites say what?

  10. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    “… his comments a few days ago about how he would accept the assistance of a hostile foreign government without alerting authorities…”

    >>>>x

  11. iRobert
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    No offense, EOS, but you’re gonna have to provide more than your word on that.

  12. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    “I suspect that we all, regardless of political persuasion, know that it’s illegal for candidates to accept the assistance of foreign agents.”

    You seem to be saying:

    A) Trump said he would accept the assistance of hostile foreign governments without alerting authorities. (He didn’t.)

    B) We all believe what trump suggested about “listening” is illegal. (We don’t.)

    C) What Trump suggested would in fact be illegal. (It is not clear at all.)

    D) Therefore, we should all support a new law which makes something that we already know is illegal, illegal. (WTF?)

    If Trump did something illegal then it should be part of the case for impeachment. Go for it!!! It almost seems like you want to retroactively make past deeds illegal. You are “terrified” by a hypothetical wherein Trump says it might be best to both listen to information from a NORWEGIAN and call the FBI if something seemed wrong about the info–in terms of interference or methods?

    I’m sorry:

    >>>>>

  13. Jean Henry
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 4:01 am | Permalink

    “So, why do you suppose this concern of yours, Mark, does not appear to have been a concern of US intelligence agencies leading up to the 2016 election?” — demonstrably untrue statement iRobert.

    We know they were investigating and acting on it and warned Obama who chose not to reveal it publicly but discussed it directly and in strongest terms (by his own account) with Putin. He chose not to discuss it publicly because he didn’t want to interfere with the election.

    Oh my, that seems archaic now. But it doesn’t represent the level of cynicism you portray.

    Of course, governments meddle in elections (including our own). That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t act to prevent it from happening.

    It’s possible to be a realist without being a fucking nihilist.

  14. Jean Henry
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    FF’s ” NORWEGIAN” (all caps his) above is both hypothetical and racist given that it’s a Trumpism and we know, because he has said, how he feels about black and brown countries and people.

    Trump doesn’t know the most basic election rules. Your subjective assessment of threat or his, does not matter.

  15. Jean Henry
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    Nice try Mark. Why ask for agreement. If this forum does anything, it reinforces that there is for some people no common ground to be found with liberals, no matter how urgent the need. We don;t need them to agree. We just have to win 2020.

  16. Sad
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 5:55 am | Permalink

    The light from Trumps soul illuminates the darkness the reveals the evildoers. Not since David has a God used a political leader to direct the fate of mankind towards so much winning. HW, FF and EOS are, undoubtedly, on the right side of history.

  17. Jean Henry
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1140296627011371008

  18. iRobert
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    Jean: “— demonstrably untrue statement iRobert.”

    Jean, US intelligence agencies did nothing to stop Russian social media operations. So, it’s not an untrue statement to suggest they did not feel the concern then that Mark expresses here now.

    Jean: “We know they were investigating and acting on it…”

    Really, Jean? What actions did US intelligence agencies take to stop the social media offensive the Russians were carrying out? I have read not one detail in the media which suggests the social media manipulations were being countered or addressed whatsoever during the 2016 campaign. Have you?

    Jean: “and warned Obama who chose not to reveal it publicly but discussed it directly and in strongest terms (by his own account) with Putin.”

    Is this how you think US government handles covert hostilities from our advasaries? The president just says a few words to the advisarial leader? That’s prettt silly, Jean.

    Jean: “He chose not to discuss it publicly because he didn’t want to interfere with the election.”

    So you believe Obama didn’t order the Russian operations blocked immediately because he didn’t want to interfere in the election himself? Is that how you think the US handles external threats to our internal affairs?

    Jean: “Oh my, that seems archaic now. But it doesn’t represent the level of cynicism you portray.”

    Jean, you obviously have no serious experience in politics. It shows in your confusion on this subject. You have the intelligence to understand it, so you should do more to gather the experience which would clear this up for you. I asked a simple question. It didn’t have the meaning you imagined it did. Naturally, I don’t ask questions here concerning politics to get better informed. This is the last place for that. I asked the question to get Mark to begin asking the questions necessary to begin the process of understanding what happen in this matter of Eussian interference in the 2016 election, and therefor to better understand what is happening now. I don’t expect he will respond though. I know he prefers not to engage here.

    Jean: “Of course, governments meddle in elections (including our own). That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t act to prevent it from happening.”

    I hope you weren’t suggesting I thought we shouldn’t act to prevent interference. Was this comment directed at others here? I’ll assume it was, since I stated clearly that I agreed with Mark, that actions should be taken to stop any interference by any foreign interest in our country’s internal affairs.

    Jean: “It’s possible to be a realist without being a fucking nihilist.”

    Again, I hope this wasn’t directed at me. Was it?

  19. Bob
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    Things would likely have turned out so differently if the Democratic establishment hadn’t rammed Hillary Clinton down our throats. None of this would have been a factor. People were just too stupid and too blinded by the Clinton cash machine to see what a lightning rod she obviously was. Literally any other candidate would likely have beaten Trump.

  20. EOS
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    The whole line of reasoning is absurd. Does anyone actually believe that foreign intelligence agencies would stop espionage if only we passed laws against it? Can we reasonably expect foreign entities to be held to a higher standard than our own intelligence agencies?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/sunday-review/russia-isnt-the-only-one-meddling-in-elections-we-do-it-too.html

    Was your vote influenced by ANY Facebook post? If it was, shame on you.

    There are laws that prohibit using our intelligence agencies for political targeting. Did they stop the Obama administration?

    https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups

    Progressives want more laws, more laws, more laws … until every aspect of life is controlled by government. To suggest that the parties need to work together to enact your agenda when your party is not in the majority is laughable.

  21. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    Aloha, NO don’t agree. I assume everyone here is on board for the new wars.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-escalates-online-attacks-on-russias-power-grid/ar-AACV9BZ?ocid=spartandhp&fbclid=IwAR3S9K7YxPQ_FOiaiISzpXA-AL7jIgbnBSHQT8QucVpDPFjveK64gmE1CQA

  22. Anonymous
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    More laws against women and more legal protection for racists, bigots and homophobes, yes, that would be the Republican Party.

  23. Taco Farts
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Nice try, Mark.

  24. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    Jean,

    Norway was the country Trump used in his hypothetical. Norway is not considered a hostile foreign power. Trump said maybe we should both listen to a Norwegian and call the FBI if there seemed like there was something “wrong”. Granted Trump speaks in extremely broad categories…

    How is it racist for Trump to use Norway in a hypothetical? Answer: It is not.How is it racist for me to repeat what Trump said? Answer: It is not. I put Norway in all caps not because a Norwegian is incapable of doing something which might seem worthy of reporting to the FBI I put Norwegian in all caps because Norway is not considered a hostile foreign power and it is the example Trump actually used in his hypothetical.

    Jean’s subjective opinion on what I do or do not know about election rules is the thing that does not matter. You are not being thoughful, Jean. Mueller spoke on the issues of prosecuting someone for listening. Despite what you and Mark want us to believe, there is nothing clear cut about the rule that things of value can not be accepted from foreign powers to influence an election–and that rules application to listening to information.

    People who want control are manipulating people like you and Mark with ease, Jean. It is sad to see otherwise intelligent people be so easily manipulated.

  25. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Sorry. Poorly worded and confusing sentence at the end of my third paragraph. The rule about not accepting items of value, from foreigners, is clear cut. The application of the rule to listening to info is not clear cut.

    If the illegality of listening was clear-cut then why should we all rally to support a new law which makes it illegal to listen to information from foreign sources?

    #logic

  26. Anonymous
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    https://mobile.twitter.com/dril/status/922321981

  27. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Just keep saying Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, the Russians hacked the DNC, the Russians hacked the DNC, the Russians hacked the DNC,
    and it will become the truth.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/06/17/fbi-never-saw-crowdstrike-unredacted-or-final-report-on-alleged-russian-hacking-because-none-was-produced/?fbclid=IwAR3akiV4Id_M74Evqh_ufDwJZ1hQqqDWgYNT7sAfKKfvOrh4GyIqhlyXwHk

    I always thought evidence was necessary, but I admit I am a dolt.

  28. Lynne
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    HAHA. You should know better than to assume that there can be any kind of agreement. These yahoos don’t care if it takes cheating to elect or re-elect Donald Trump.

  29. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Mueller brought forth no new evidence on the DNC’s security breach. The report takes the word of the IC report which took the word of Crowdstrike, the company hired by the DNC. Is Crowdstrike a company of the highest caliber of ethics? Such a high caliber they should not need to provide the server? Would it be normal or abnormal for the FBI to do a forensic examination of the server in such a case?

  30. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, I don’t imagine that anyone bothered to read the article about the US cyber attacks we are currently engaging in with Russia. Something to ponder today:

    “In an article titled “Pentagon Keeps Trump in the Dark About its Cyber Attacks on Russia”, Rolling Stone’s Peter Wade described this jarring revelation as follows:

    “New laws, enacted by Congress last year, allow such ‘clandestine military activity’ in cyberspace to go ahead without the president’s approval. So, in this case, those new laws are protecting American interests… by keeping the sitting president out of the loop. What a (scary) time to be alive.”

    Pentagon Keeps Trump in the Dark About its Cyber Attacks on Russia https://t.co/CJLFjbkR6x pic.twitter.com/TFYkTAcD0g

    — Rolling Stone (@RollingStone) June 15, 2019

    I didn’t know it was in America’s interest to be engaging in cyber attacks on the Russian Power grid. But I’m a dolt.

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    There is a site I watch sometimes that is supposed to show world cyber attacks animated in real time. It’s fascinating to watch different places piling on certain locations at once and then seeing it shift again and again. It’s constant action. Lots of inter-state US attacks as well.

  32. Sad
    Posted June 17, 2019 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Does it show up every time you post on here?

  33. Little Nemo
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    I think I may have found a video of HW on the Yute Tuber.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MxRMwX2SdE

  34. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    That’s nice you get to have a little dig at me even if it means nothing. You need a little something to keep you going. All this ass-beating must test your endurance.

  35. Hyboirian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    How was the impeachment rally? Mlive reported there were about fifty people there. Sounds like you guys are really getting it done.

  36. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW, When do the secret indictments come out?

  37. John Brown
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Can We all agree that recently failed (dead) Dallas mass shooter Brian Clyde’s rant sounds remarkably similar to HWs delusional rants? SO much winning.

    https://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/4106602-brian-isaack-clyde-facebook-rant/

  38. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Two of them were unsealed in the Obama foreign campaign money case. None of you have commented on that. If you cannot face reality then you are deluded. Just claiming someone else is deluded using no reasonable thought process doesn’t do much does it?

  39. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    aloha, time for some thing completely different–Traditional Mongolian instruments and throat singing doing biker heavy metal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsj9lQvcdHI&list=RDlsj9lQvcdHI&start_radio=1&t=61&fbclid=IwAR1GIODBCQz1r3VYkJDb7Fc2pReoZhV7toiyBfIDrnJBrWHxS2hrFF9HtFg

  40. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW, nothing secret about this indictment or investigation. The indictment is from actions taken in 2013. This investigation and indictments flowed from, “Low was indicted previously, along with former banker Ng Chong Hwa, also known as “Roger Ng,” in the Eastern District of New York for conspiring to launder billions of dollars and to violate the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.”

    These investigations pre-date your man Trump being elected. Keep looking though. I thought you were going to announce it when the secret indictments started being acted on. This is from May, and not a word from you till today—waz up?

  41. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    I’ve posted this already but you refuse to understand. Why do you like to be ignorant?

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/entertainerbusinessman-and-malaysian-financier-indicted-conspiring-make-and-conceal-foreign

    A United States entertainer and businessman and a Malaysian financier were charged in a four-count indictment unsealed today in the District of Columbia for conspiring to make and conceal foreign and conduit campaign contributions during the United States presidential election in 2012, announced Assistant Attorney General Brian Benczkowski of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division.

    Prakazrel “Pras” Michel, 46, and Low Taek Jho, 37, also known as “Jho Low,” were charged with one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States government and for making foreign and conduit campaign contributions. Michel also was charged with one count of a scheme to conceal material facts and two counts of making a false entry in a record in connection with the conspiracy. Michel appeared today for his arraignment before U.S. Magistrate Judge G. Michael Harvey in the District of Columbia. Low remains at large.

  42. Meta
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Murkowski needs to be voted out of office.

    CNN: “Murkowski joins McConnell’s opposition to election security proposals, setting up clash with House”

    Senate GOP resistance is building over Democratic measures to bolster security around US elections, setting the stage for a partisan clash with the House over imposing tougher safeguards ahead of 2020.

    In the latest sign of the escalating standoff, GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska dismissed calls Monday for election security legislation, while also rejecting a push by Democratic lawmakers to require campaigns to disclose to federal authorities if foreign nationals offer them help in presidential elections. It’s the latest sign of how the topic of election security has suddenly become a flashpoint in Congress amid President Donald Trump’s all-out assault on special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign.
    “I’m not sure why we need to have one,” Murkowski said when asked if she believed the Senate should advance an election security bill. “I know there are some who believe we have to do more election reform. I think some of it is calculated to add, I think, additional fuel to the Mueller report and the aftermath of that.”

    Murkowski also said she expected campaigns to voluntarily report offers of foreign interference to federal authorities, saying legislation to mandate such disclosure would amount to “political fodder.”

    Read more:
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/17/politics/lisa-murkowski-mcconnell-oppose-election-security-proposals/index.html

  43. Anonymous
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    I don’t understand. Is criminality by another President supposed to justify criminality by a current Presidents? I mean, if Obama or anyone else commits a crime, so what? It doesn’t make Trump’s problems magically vanish. If I get accused of stealing candy, it is magically acceptable if some other kid steals candy, too?

    Asking for a friend.

  44. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    You can’t just claim Trump committed a crime with no evidence. I mean you can if you want but it doesn’t mean much, does it?

  45. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Just because you associate with other idiots in your bubble who agree that Twump is such a conman you think that’s reality?

  46. Lynne
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    There is plenty of evidence in the Mueller report to impeach Trump, fwiw.

  47. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW, What about the other 82,322 sealed indictments. You were promising all the peoples enemies were going to be swept up. One Malaysian businessman, who we can’t even find, and a rap musician hardly sounds like we are rolling up the deep state. I read the press release. The alleged crimes occurred in 1012. The investigation began in 2014.

    https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/murs/6772/15044380595.pdf
    You refuse to look at the reality of what you post. This is the result of an investigation that began long before your Trump is at war with the deep state fantasies.

  48. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Aloha Lynne, Glad to see you are back. I missed you.

  49. Anonymous
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    He didn’t answer the question. I am just trying to figure out what his point is. He keeps posting about these Malaysian guys, and I just don’t get the point.

    If there is a suspicion that I stole candy from store A, the fact that some other kid in the class is suspected of stealing candy from store B doesn’t mean that I am no longer under suspicion for stealing candy from store A..

  50. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    One Maylasian we can’t even find = fugitive who illegally funded Obama to the tune of 25 million. Pretty big fuckin’ headline I would say.

    Jean, I did answer you and succinctly I might add. You can’t hide that lawyerly insinuation tactic. That logical fallacy gives you up every time. Not that the others don’t do it, but you are advanced in the art of insinuation; easy to see.

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    What will you say when the hammer falls? Fake news you think?

    https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1140838627758477314

    Paul Sperry

    @paulsperry_
    Follow Follow @paulsperry_
    More
    BREAKING: State Dept’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security has cited 15 current & former officials for infractions or violations for mishandling classified information pertaining to Hillary Clinton’s emails, incl ones recovered from Weiner-Abedin laptop. The internal review is ongoing.
    9:28 PM – 17 Jun 2019

  52. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Impeachment is more of a political process that is similar to legal process. At bottom it is political. It is where the rubber hits the road. So yeah, there is enough evidence to impeach because there is not a legal threshold of evidence to pass in the first place. Broad, vague, and subjective guidelines are given but ultimately we just need to hope that the power to impeach is not abused. We need to hope that the power to impeach is used responsibly. We will know because the people are the final check and balance to impeachment. It is a big deal. Done wrong and it can have very bad consequences for everyone.

    If someone says we should impeach then they are calling for impeachment in an irresponsible way insofar as they are also fail to provide their underlying reasoning. Offering the conclusion that “there is plenty in the mueller report to impeach on” is an empty gesture. However, it is an empty gesture that is telling of the values of the individual who is willing to make the irresponsible gesture. It shows a lack of respect for Truth and democracy, imo.

    So, may I ask: What are your specific reasons for calling for impeachment Lynne? You said there is plenty of evidence. Great. What is your best piece of evidence, Lynne?

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Then there is the ongoing trial of Keith Raniere and NXIVM who seem to have been up to pizzagate-esque activities. It’s telling that you collectively/individually avoid it. I knew about that long before the trials began. I knew a year ago Allison Mack was co-operating and naming big names. Now with the billionaire NXIVM funders she has pled guilty to charges in the case and a President of Mexico’s son has been named co-conspirator. How come I know all this shit waaay before it happens in REALITY but you deny it and even try to ridicule. Guess what? Your shit is getting fucked up and it is going to be damaging to your reputation given all the things you have said. For example, ridiculing the reality of elite (see Bronfman) child sex trafficking mind control cults. Sorry to say but that is exactly what NXIVM was. Clinton connection? Yes an illegal financial one. Money was reimbursed to members who made contributions to Hillary. It’s called bundling and it is a violation of election law. For it to come from such a source is incredible. That’s not fucking news??? You people are out of your minds. You think I am but everything I just wrote is reality so how could that be? What happened to your ability to THINK?

  54. Anonymous
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    I don’t think that anything about the Clintons is news anymore any more than I think that anything about the Bushes is news. Maybe we should go back to Reagan? Carter? Ford? God, who cares.

  55. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    If they get into legal trouble it will necessarily be news. They are former heads of state. If you do a crime you can’t be like well, it was in the past so just let it go…If you slide until the statute of limitations is up then you are golden but you better hope you don’t get caught for something after that. We know she paid for bogus Russian intel so what is your disconnect?

  56. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    You can’t go out of your mind about every little (wrong) detail about Russian collusion pushed by Hillary Clinton then excuse her because well, it’s in the past you see. She’s an old lady. There is nothing for you to worry about. Go to sleep now.

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie, you keep asking me where are all those indictments. You can look at a map to see the distribution throughout the USA. When are they going to be unsealed? That I don’t know and never claimed to know. The fact they remain sealed and there have been no significant leaks about it except by Q ought to make you nervous actually. It’s almost as if they are waiting until…exactly…the right…..time. Not all are indictments by the way. Probably half are surveillance warrants. Have I been wrong yet? Have the baynardites been wrong as shit over and over?

  58. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous would have us replace the engraved message on the supreme court pediment with “WHO CARES”; Or how about “FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT MEH”?

    #stupidnihilism
    #convenientnihilism
    #ILsentiment

  59. Anonymous
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    It just isn’t front page news. Maybe 10th page news at best.

    After Trump leaves office, all that’s gone on while he was in office will also not be news, because then we will have a new set of officials that we should be concerned with.

    Sorry. I just fail to see why ignoring the current administration, which actually has power, in favor past administrations, which do not, is productive.

  60. Anonymous
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Mark, the answer to your question is no. Again, we thank you for your service for providing a safe space for HW, FF, and EOS to express themselves anonymously. That way they can proceed with activities of daily living in a civic manner after a catharsis on your site.

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Not front page on Fake News. Anons make the news now. The current administration has been in danger of being railroaded by fake intel bought by Clinton. That’s what has been happening with the current administration for the last two and a half years.

    What I said has nothing to do with whatever you think Trump did that is so bad. Ignore what about Trump? There is that fallacy again. You insist something is true (Trump is a criminal) and act like that makes it so.

  62. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Hey dumb-dumb, I am critical of Mark’s framing of the issues. Big difference between that and allegedly not wanting to take steps for free and fair elections because of some supposed willingness, on my part, to cheat ignorer to win and gain power.

    This is not a safe space for FF,EOS, or HW. Although this was once a safe space for people like you to spread falsehoods those times are long-gone. Sorry.

    We are not posting anonymously. We are using pseudonyms. There is a difference.

    You are being sarcastic when you say “thanks”.

    How does it feel to be so inaccurate about everything all the time?

    Your goal should be to say one thing that is truthful. Go for it.

  63. Anonymous
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    But it all does give you a bit of catharsis, doesn’t it? The posts make you feel empowered and a bit better about yourself for a brief moment, right?

    Mark should either be commended for giving these people a safe space to speak in (hiding behind pseudonyms) or criticized for enabling the pathologies of some people who are clearly suffering.

  64. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Dealing with you guys is tedious. I do find it useful because you guys represent the average politically engaged college educated Democrat. The reason this site is useful is because you guys consider it your safe space and so you speak freely in your full-blown idiocy….Thank you!

  65. Anonymous
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    You seem like a very, very angry individual. I kind of feel badly for you.

    Mark is very kind to give you this space in which to express yourself.

  66. Anonymous
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Who is “you guys?”

    I count only about 6 people who post here regularly, three of which are EOS, FF, and HW.

    I am not sure the Dogmatic Dolt, Jean Henry and John Brown really represent anything about Democratic voters. I am not sure that any of them went to University.

  67. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    I am not angry and I don’t think you actually feel badly either. I think you are the same empty troll that often posts under the handle “Anonymous”. I do agree though that it is to Mark’s credit that he seems to have a fundamental belief in free speech. I am certain many of the mm.com community would follow their authoritarian impulse and ban certain users if they were in Mark’s position.

  68. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 1:23 pm | Permalink
    Who is “you guys?”
    I count only about 6 people who post here regularly, three of which are EOS, FF, and HW.
    I am not sure the Dogmatic Dolt, Jean Henry and John Brown really represent anything about Democratic voters. I am not sure that any of them went to University.

    Who cares?

    Mom is making me clean out the garage again. TTYL.

  69. Anonymous
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    I actually do feel badly for you. You seem consumed with hate and anger. It’s also possible that you just get a little high every time you post here. I don’t know. Either way, I feel pretty bad for you, just like I feel pretty bad for the other two. You are a pretty sad bunch.

    Anyway, do you have that little interaction with Democratic voters that you think that the people who post here represent that block of people? Perhaps they simply confirm your personally held idea of what Democratic voter is like, an idea that might be overly reductive and might have little basis in reality.

    Are we supposed to believe that EOS FF and HW all represent ALL Trump voters? Because I think that the world is more complex than that.

  70. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Despite his tweets, Trump is literally handing over the management of his government to the Deep State. As we know, the Army is now authorized to attack Russia without telling Trump.

    The US doesn’t currently have a…
    — A Defense Secretary
    — A Homeland Security Secretary
    — A United Nations Ambassador
    — A White House Chief of Staff

    I think he is just there for pr effect and distraction.

  71. John Brown
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    The question “So what happens when Donald Trump refuses to leave office?” is posed by Amanda Marcotte, among others. Anyone who has to ask this question is obviously not ready for the answer, which is clearly “bad stuff gonna happen”. So the MM version of the question becomes “So what do FF, HW, and EOS do when trump refuses to leave office?” and I’m fine with making it “if” not “when” to keep it hypothetical.

    https://www.salon.com/2019/06/17/so-what-happens-when-donald-trump-refuses-to-leave-office-the-nightmare-scenario-could-happen/

  72. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Time to do some Putin Puppet work. Read this interesting article on an anti-American pro multi-polar world web site. I particularly liked the last lines,

    I will end this article with two quotes from Jean Baudrillard’s book “Simulacra and Simulation”, which I feel express very well the nature of today’s “hybrid” warfare:

    “We live in a world where there is more and more information, and less and less meaning.”

    “It is dangerous to unmask images, since they dissimulate the fact that there is nothing behind them.”

    http://thesaker.is/nuclear-armageddon-and-geopolitical-simulacrum/?fbclid=IwAR1SZTY2-F2phGhWO6IhCcx6tu1irBus5U9glCsasDbB-6Yc6Fy7IEagJcU

  73. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    “You are a pretty sad bunch.”

    “You seem consumed with hate and anger.”

    “I actually do feel badly for you.”

    “..clearly suffering.”

    If you want to feel sorry for me or anyone else then go for it. Who cares?

    I think you are troll just wanting to add more unnecessary tediousness into other people’s lives. You enjoy it for some reason. Don’t bother trying to disprove my claims on my account. I don’t care.

    The main takeaway for you, Mr. Complexity, is that when you claim that the answer is “no” to Mark’s question you are not exactly right and not exactly wrong because Mark’s questions are unfortunately framed upon a “foundation” of what what smells like a stinky pile of bullshit. I really believe that the main purpose behind the questions are just a new angle toward attempting to delegitimize the president. In the case of one bill it seems that the idea is to retroactively make something the President’s team did explicitly illegal. Gee I wonder if that would help Dems if impeachment moves forward? Why should we bracket questions about the “extent” of meddling when “extent”,in fact, is a topic that has always been intentionally avoided around here? Why?

    Election interference is obviously bad because it corrupts democratic processes. Interfering with the results of democratic processes, by way of delegitimizing tactics, is also bad, because it corrupts democratic processes.

  74. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Q support at Gitmo

    http://magaimg.net/img/88ne.jpg

  75. Sad
    Posted June 18, 2019 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Q support at Orlando

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/847917/white-supremacists-conspiracy-theorists-are-full-force-trumps-campaign-rally

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    That is slander and the illest type of insinuation. Does Jean Henry work for “The Week”? First of all how are the Proud Boys white supremacist? How hard did this publication have to try to come up with a way to put Q and white supremacy together in a headline?

  77. Sad
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Yea those boys are just proud. What’s the problem? SMH

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

  78. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    “So what do FF, EOS and HW do when trump refused to leave office?” –Fake John Brown

    Like a real John Brown I will always try to be on the side of fairness, Truth and Justice of any specific circumstance. If I have evidence that Trump is not a legitimate president then I will call for and support his removal in any way it takes. The burden is on you to, with proof, legitimize your seditious and treasonous fantasies. You think you are being open minded and generous by identifying your hypothetical (of Trump not leaving office) as a hypothetical? Dude! It’s a hypothetical! Think about that weird gesture you just made…

    #authoritarianimpulse
    #crybaby

  79. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    #nostradamnedus

  80. Sad
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    #frostedflakesproudestboy

  81. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    OK

  82. John Brown
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    It’s a hypothetical that he deliberately cultivates. An actual hypothetical at the forefront of the political classes serious consideration. The fact that its a thing in the national conversation puts Agent Orange and his supporters in some notorious fucking company indeed.

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    I think Fake John Brown could learn a lot by reading his own comments with a more critical lense.

    *the fact that is a thing
    *actual hypothetical
    *deliberately
    *puts agent orange and his supporters in some notorious company

    #transparent

  84. Jean Henry
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    So, no, Mark.
    Clearly.

  85. Jean Henry
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    HW— the brother of my best friend in high school helped found the week, then he revitalized the Atlantic via digital content and now he’s at Bloomberg. Oh and before that he was at the Economist.

    I’m sure he’d appreciate your perspective as much as he appreciates yours.

    Ps he’s not a spy or linked to the deep state on any way. Really.
    Also, not a pedophile.
    Really.

  86. Jean Henry
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    *you appreciate his.’ *** ack.

    Blame the deep state not my eyesight/impulsivity

  87. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Why is it such an easy summarizing “no”, Jean?

    Why do you think people are withholding an easy “yes” to Mark?

    FF, HW, and EOS are against the corruption of democratic processes! Are Mark, Jean, Lynne, Sad, Taco Farts, IL, DD, Karl, FJB and Anonymous with us? Yes or no?

  88. Anonymous
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    HW resists corruption of the democratic process by referring to various conspiracy theories.
    EOS resists corruption of the democratic process by fealty to a very specific set of religious beliefs.
    FF resists corruption of the democratic process by supporting a grifting authoritarian president.
    Thanks, Obama! You’re a real community organizer. Look who you’ve brought together.

  89. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    I guess that is a “no” from Anonymous. That makes me sad. You would think we could all agree but I guess some of you guys really are for the corruption of democratic processes. Tsk-tsk.

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    You have it wrong. I do not tie the deep state criminality I spoke of to your claim that President Trump is a criminal. I have no need to. If you want to establish Trump being a criminal as a fact then you have to do something to achieve that. It’s a logical fallacy, Jean: something you would do well to study even at this late stage.

    Your friend’s brother’s publication engages in sensationalistic propaganda. The Proud Boys are multi-racial but they call them white supremacists. So it’s a smear on the Proud Boys to try to associate Q with the smear. It’s worse than muckraking. Good thing it will fail.

  91. Anonymous
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Mark does indeed deserve a medal for providing all these angry people a space where they can express themselves. Who knows what they might be capable of it they did not have this space. Mark is protecting the public from potential harm.

  92. Anonymous
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian Pudlord lookin for conspiracies
    Frosted Flakes angry as all can be
    EOS getting all godly
    Like Larry Moe and Curly, the gangs all here
    Fighting the Democrats giving us an ear
    Trump is their man, no being is ever higher
    Pussy grabbin old man, you say it you’re a liar

  93. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    I think your identity relies on making up negative things about other people. Think about that. If I am right, think about how low your chosen mode of existence is in the chain of being. Only you can answer certain things about your self. I think you are going to have to question and face your chosen mode of existence at some point. Sooner is better than later.

    (Your poems aren’t bad but they would be so much better if they contained a kernel of truth about something other than your own chosen mode of low level existence.)

  94. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    How am I angry but you are not? You are an angry, low-intelligence two year old. Just look at what you write hahahaha. Collectively the baynardites represent a cult of unreason. I told you when I started homie don’t play that. You want to tempt fate and fuck with the Slayer of Unreason though.

  95. Lynne
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Dolt!

    FF, This is but ONE thing in the report for which Donald Trump absolutely must be impeached. He tried to get Mueller fired and the only reason he wasn’t is that he is a weak president and guys like Don McGahn were fine with ignoring his orders. Yet, he did order that Mueller be removed. That is straight up obstruction of justice. This isn’t a blow job either. So while that impeachment backfired, I am not so sure this one will. If the message is kept simple, i.e. the president tried to obstruct this investigation by ordering the person conducting it to be fired, I think most people will see that as a problem. Naturally though, I would expect the House to conduct a very full and thorough investigation with many hearings as they are already starting to do.

  96. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    The President said Mueller had conflicts of interest. Nothing wrong with that. You are setting yourself up for another big disappointment. Even if the House impeaches the Senate won’t and all it would do is galvanize Trump support and demoralize you.

  97. Sad
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    A police shooting.

    Mayor Pete is really getting put to the test. How will he do?

  98. Jean Henry
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    FF assumed my no was a reply to his prior comment (which I didn’t read) not Mark’s posts’s broad query. He was dead wrong there… again.

    I see no point in reading his posts anymore. If they include my name I glance over them. Otherwise, they are not worth my time. I’m sure that’s because I don’t believe in democracy or liberty or transparency or something.

  99. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Lynne,

    First, I appreciate that you are accurately situating the impeachment conversation in the realm of political. Second, I appreciate that you limited it to one possible piece of obstruction. We have explored 2 other obstruction claims on mm.com while you were gone.

    I just don’t understand how you can say “Trump absolutely must be impeached…..for “straight up obstruction of justice.”

    1) Trump did not fire Mueller.

    2) Trump could not fire Mueller directly. The law is clear. Only Rosenstein can fire Mueller. Trump seemed to initiate contact with Rosenstein through McGahn, that might lead to his firing, but that contact was never made.

    3) Trump could fire Rosenstein and go down the line firing people until he found an AAG to fire Mueller like Nixon but he did not.

    4) Trump, if we are to believe the Mueller report, did ask McGahn twice to tell Rosenstein there is a conflict of interest with Mueller and thus suggesting he ought to be be fired. That message was never given to Rosenstein and Trump let go of the issue. Was there a conflict of interest? The media dwelled on a couple of silly conflicts in my opinion but I have not figured out why nobody talks about the most obvious potential conflict of interest. Do you know what conflict I am thinking of?

    5) I don’t think it would be an easy sell to the American people that Trump obstructed justice on around an investigation which found evidence lacking against him.

    6) The legal claims for Trump obstructing just don’t add up in my opinion. I think it is a very tough sell.

    Here is a hint on potential conflict of interest. The reason Sessions recused himself was: “no DOJ employee may participate in a criminal investigation or prosecution if he has a personal or political relationship with any person or organization substantially involved in the conduct that is the subject of the investigation or prosecution, or who would be directly affected by the outcome.”

    Sounds reasonable right? What potential conflicts might Mueller have had and why were they not at least identified as potential conflicts?

  100. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    No Jean, I apparently rightly assumed your “no” was in response to Mark’s question/ title.

    Why would I assume your “no” was to my prior comment? That would make zero sense.

    (That is too bad you are not reading my posts anymore because the all ones you didn’t read are the really really insightful.)

  101. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 19, 2019 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    I am just amazed that Jean can be wrong about everything all the time. LOL (for real). I mean let’s assume I was wrong about what you were referring to when you said “no”. Who cares? It is so non-consequential I am surprised anyone would even bother to point out that kind of error just for the sake of pointing out that kind of error. And I wasn’t in error! You are a fucking trip. I can’t stop laughing….You are so crazy….And so wrong always.

  102. Sad
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    #Flakesplaining

  103. Anonymous
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    FF is the guy that will explain a joke after he’s given it if he doesn’t hear people laugh to make sure that everybody knows that he’s really funny.

  104. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    Anonymous is the guy who makes up negative things about others because his identity relies on it.

    Sad. Empty.

  105. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Aloha, We all have our faults. But since this thread started with talk about drones–what do folks think of the IRG shooting down our drone last night. Was it just fishing, like ours? Was it over international waters like the always truthful Pentagon states? Has Iran decided that the only response to Trumps revoking the nuclear treaty and reimposing economic sanctions is to apply maximum pressure on the US in response.? Everyone is on board for more war right? Will we in response shoot down another Iranian civilian jet liner? Will the Iranians actually sink a tanker? Trump wants to be a real man, and everyone knows “real men” go to Tehran. These seem to be much more important questions than our individual and collective faults. But hey, we have absolutely no impact on decisions of war and peace–let’s beat up on JH, HW, FF or every ones favorite whipping boy/girl EOS instead.

  106. Anonymous
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Please list 10 points where Anonymous has made up negative things about people, explaining why 1) each is about a person 2) each is negative and 3) the exact level of truth of each, offering point by point justification for each of your answers. Please insure that your response is no less then 1500 words, double spaced with 1 inch margins. Provide references to relevant works in the literature to support your arguments. You have one hour. Good luck. Points will be removed for tardiness and spelling errors.

  107. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Bye, Keith. Raniere guilty on all charges. You know Carlos Danger is said to have been involved in NXIVM. For Hillary’s sake I hope his laptop doesn’t end up becoming evidence in related cases.

  108. Sad
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    What about Henry Danger?

    Are there still new episodes or just reruns?

    What will it mean for Hillary?

    Why are Republicans so obsessed with Hillary?

  109. anonymous
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Because their voters are too dumb to realize she isn’t running again.

  110. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Very reasonable response, Sad. Yup, very reasonable. Are you in the nihilist pinhead club? Yes you are. Nothing means anything to you. Why discuss anything then?

  111. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    It’s so interesting that to you she seems to occupy some other plane of existence where justice does not apply to past actions. I don’t know what plane that is but on the Prime Material if you rig our elections and conspire with foreign countries to take down the President of the USA with fabricated intel I think you will face justice.

  112. Sad
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    I’ll discuss how Mayor Pete might beat Donald Trump and why Pete might be a better President.

    Did you see Biden messed up again yesterday? I ‘m sure he’ll say something really stupid at the debates.

    You can have Hillary.

    I’m more concerned with our apocalyptic future.

  113. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    At least with Trump in office you will hahahaha.

    Think about it. Your argument totally falls apart. If Hillary is irrelevant then the investigation into Russian conspiracy was irrelevant. It was the bogus intel she paid for that was the impetus of the investigation. She tried to rig a presidential election. How ignorant do you have to be to like “Wulp, in the Obama era they didn’t find any there there soooo…Twump.”

  114. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    How does Mayor Pete feel about the President’s campaign raising 28 million in one day?

  115. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    I am not going to meet the deadline. I got stumbled up by trying to explain “why each is about a person.” You make a lot of sense. Congrats. This was a big win for you.

  116. Sad
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Not surprised. The perks of incumbency and pushing through tax cuts for your oligarch friends.

    The Harder they come, the harder they fall…..

    FF you really need a vacation. I’m taking one. It’s a good thing.

  117. anonymous
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    I think that Anonymous is asking whether the statements about actual people or pseudonyms. The two could be different. There is the real life person who uses the handle FF online, then there is the character FF. They might not be the same. That’s what I would assume.

  118. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Awww, the Rainbow Cultural Garden: sounds so nice. It’s the international preschool brought to you by the fine folks at NXIVM.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/979096050500763649.html

  119. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    I don’t play a character except when I am being sarcastic and I try to let it be known that I am being sarcastic. I am simply a person expressing my sincere thoughts under a pseudonymous handle.

  120. Sad
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Your full of shit.

    This is totally cos-play for you and HW and me,

    Nobody believes this shit.

  121. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Wrong, Sad. I’m not playing. Everything I’ve said is sincere. You can do your hollow little act all you want but don’t think that applies to me.

  122. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    100% sincere, Sad.

    I suspect you and others will twist that admission into some sort joke (on me) but I don’t care what many of you think. Many of you are confused, lost, and brain-washed individuals incapable of thinking through much of anything…

  123. Sad
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Well that’s disappointing.

  124. Lynne
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    FF, Well I think telling someone to fire Mueller is obstruction of justice and it doesn’t really much matter that Trump was too incompetent to do it effectively. We MUST impeach him lest any future politicians think that behavior is acceptable. That you are making excuses for the president tells me that I was wrong to read your response. Still no morals from FF other than white men can do no wrong. Same as it ever was.

  125. anonymous
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    but the question seems to be, are the statements in Anonymous’ poem about real people or pseudonyms? I don’t think you’ve answered that question.

  126. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Pseudonyms don’t write things theirselves. Meaningless obfuscation.

  127. Anonymous
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Frosted Flakes thinking he’s a victim
    He’s so smart, no one can get him
    People make a joke, but he doesn’t care
    Cause he’s asking questions no one else would dare
    Sticking up for pussy grabbin, that’s the name of his game
    His team is EOS and Pud, tiki torch flame

  128. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Your summary obviously mischaracterizes what happened. Is it intentional? He didn’t simply demand Mueller be fired. He told McGahn to tell Rosenstein that Mueller OUGHT to be fired because of conflicts of interest. Conflicts of interest are legitimate causes for firing Mueller. McGahn did not even tell Rosenstein about Trump’s opinion and and Trump did not press the issue after the second request. Trump obviously had a capacity to obstruct. Did he excercise that capacity? I don’t think so.

    What percentage of the special counsels historically were headed by ex FBI? What percentage of special counsel investigations were headed ex head of FBI? What was the organization that was centrally involved in all of Trump’s counterpoint for his claim that the investigation was a hoax and pretext for spying on his campaign? The truth or falsity of Trump’s counterpoints to the investigation would affect which organization more than any other organization?

    If Lynne’s comments are any indication she has not changed at all. Instead of thinking through an issue she would rather just simply accuse racism. It is so forced, so lame, so obvious, Lynne.

    #weak

  129. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Who cares Anonymous? You could just as easily use a skeptical approach to the idea of personhood in general without regard to names?

    Who cares? There is no point. If you think you are asking interesting questions then I think you are mistaken. It’s just a bunch of stupid expressions of nihilism, imo.

  130. Anonymous
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Nihilism. I don’t think that word means what you think it means. But I do agree with DD. Just because somebody in CENTCOM knows the true circumstances of the drone downing doesn’t mean that we, the public, will know as well. The concern is Archduke Ferndinand 2.0, now improved with WMD. But of course, that will never happen, right? We have such level headed leaders, right?

  131. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Lynne used to quote a Princess Bride line when she wanted to pretend like her interlocutor was confused. It was a lame tactic then and it is a lame tactic now. Princess Bride was a good movie. Funny memes followed years later.

    #weak

  132. Anonymous
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Please provide exact instances of where Lynne quoted the Princess Bride, providing dates, times, post names, contextual information and screen shots for all. Thanks.

  133. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    It sounds unnecessarily time consuming, with almost no reward. Why should I bother? Who cares? The point is that someone posting as Anonymous used a tactic which has been used to try to muddy the waters here before. Instead of searching for meaning many here try to make things meaningless whenever their narrative is challenged. In my opinion it is simply a self-defense mechanism. Nihilism is just a tactic used for avoiding the Truth about yourself. You are empty and weak.

  134. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    You can change though.

  135. Sad
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    So do you see yourself as being full and strong?

  136. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    It has more to do with the different paths we choose, Sad, rather than some notion of “bigger, better, and stronger.”

    I try to look for meaning and truth. I do not try to create illusions by intentionally misrepresenting people and circumstances; and I do try to degrade the meaningful into meaninglessness just because it happens to challenge my worldview. There is fulfillment and strength in an honest approach toward life.

  137. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Oops,

    *I do NOT try to degrade the meaningful…

  138. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Mom said I need to clean out the gutters before it rains again. TTYL.

  139. John Brown
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Fascist Flake,

    Don’t change a thing about yourself. You, pudlord, and Evangelical OS are a great representative cross section of treason complicit republicans and a great motivational tool for libtards who decide to grow a fucking spine.

  140. Anonymous
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know if I would go that far, but I am curious as to why they feel compelled to defend themselves on this board to people who, by their standards, incapable of understanding what they are defending? Is there some mystery audience for MM.com that we are just unaware of that are persuaded by their postings? A silent moral majority of Ypsilantians who secretly wish they could vote openly for the incumbent president? A sense of personal pride in ethical behavior and honesty that can only be expressed pseudonomyously on this board alone? I think Mark should investigate this more thoroughly, as it would be a real eye-opener. I, for one, would click on the Amazon link.

  141. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Spreading truth is it’s own reward. It is inherently good. That is my motivation. That ought to be easy to understand. I persist in doing it here because people like you made it personal. Is it not natural to enjoy seeing one’s attackers defeated?

  142. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    You understand more than you let on anyway. Bark Baynard even wrote a blog post about NXIVM because he thought Roger Stone’s former association with them would be bad for Trump. Now you all run away from it and pretend it’s not happening. You know it is there and the implications are huge but you act like you don’t know what it is at all.

  143. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    He must have got hit hard about it on twitter or here or something because he took that post down quick. Now Raniere is convicted of all charges and baynard is crawling under the covers to quietly sob.

  144. Sad
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    I still think you would have a bigger audience over at Elctablog. The people who do that are fairly active in the Democratic Party. The blowback you get might be more substantial but if you really want to spread the truth…..

    Just sayin.

    Or are you really that fixated on Mr.Baynard?

    https://www.eclectablog.com

  145. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    It didn’t seem very active or interesting when I looked at it before. I do particularly enjoy seeing baynard fall since he lies every time he posts. I like seeing people who think they are smarter and more sophisticated but who are not humbled by reality. It brings a sense of peace and well-being.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98v6t8Bpg8A

  146. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    You are quite a ” curious” fellow. I don’t find your questions interesting at all. You would be willing to indirectly give money to Mark, through the amazon link, if he could answer those questions for you? Those questions?! Why those questions? I think it would be good for you to consider what it is that motivates you to ask such curiously uninteresting questions. I think that kind of investigation into your motivations would be a “real eye-opener” for you.

  147. Sad
    Posted June 20, 2019 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Well. You two really are impressed with yourselves. According to you – you seem to understand the world a lot better than the rest of us. Congratulations.

  148. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    It’s interesting you say that because several people here have insulted my intelligence countless times. Clearly they think they have a better understanding than I. I said I like seeing people like that humbled by reality. Do you think that is equal to what you said?

    On the other hand you don’t think anyone understands anything better than anyone else? If someone’s model is consistently accurate and someone else’s is equally inaccurate what does that tend to indicate?

  149. Sad
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    That would tend to indicate that you are clearly the smartest smartie of them all. The clear top commenter at this site. And possibly a genius.

  150. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    How do you feel about people who are always wrong calling someone who is usually correct an idiot?

  151. Lynne
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    HW, yes I think others really probably do have a better grasp on your “intelligence” than you do. There is a pretty well documented phenomenon where people who lack knowledge about a subject are overconfident about what they know simply because they don’t know enough about the subject to realize that they dont really understand it fully. It is as obvious to those who know more about the subject as it is oblivious to the person experiencing the phenomenon. It is called the dunning-kruger effect but could just as accurately be called the HW Effect.

  152. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    But I understood that study perfectly well when it was published. You are so far behind you don’t know what you are looking at. If you say I am an idiot and I say no I’m not and here is why then how does that equal crowing about my intellectual superiority?

  153. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Aloha, Trump almost launched the new war last night

    Trump: Attack Iran now!
    General: Iran can sink our carrier strike group in the region.
    Trump: What?
    General: If we strike Iran now they can retaliate against thousands of US sailors.
    Trump: WTF!
    General: This isn’t Syria Sir.
    Trump: Call it off.
    THE END

  154. Sad
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Lynne, maybe, in spite of your confidence in your opinion, you don’t understand HW at all?

  155. anonymous
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    The idiot says he is not an idiot. Go figure.

  156. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    If the person you call an idiot is correct over and over what should that tell you?

  157. iRobert
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Is it true that Mark posted on NXIVM and then later deleted the post? Can anyone else verify this? Has anyone noticed any other posts Mark has posted and then later deleted?

  158. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    It is true. Not in the comments section but a blog entry.

  159. iRobert
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    HW, do you remember what Mark’s take was on NXIVM? Can any other commenters here remember a post regarding NXIVM here?

  160. site admin
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    OK, let’s not pull Mark into your bizzaro conspiracy world.

    There has never been a NXIVM post on this site, and, in the history of this site, only one post, to my knowledge, has ever been taken down — an exit interview that Mark posted with a person who was later accused of having been cruel to local women. Mark was asked to remove the post, as some found it to be painful reminder of this man’s existence. Mark, after telling the person in question, removed the interview.

    So, no, Mark never secretly removed a post about NXIVM. And, no, he was never a member. And, no, he never ate babies with Hillary Clinton beneath a D.C. pizza shop. And, no, he’s not a lizard person.

  161. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    “HW, yes I think others really probably do have a better grasp on your “intelligence” than you do.”–Lynne

    Lynne has name-dropped the Dunning Kruger effect about ten times on this site. She uses the study as a tactical attempt to put down her opponent’s intelligence. She apparently thinks she is an expert at detecting the general intelligence of others. Lynne, however, fails to apply, to herself, the most basic principle of the Dunning Kruger effect when she cites the study, in her attempt to “show” her opponent that she has “a handle” on the subject of the intelligence of others.

    #authoritarianimpulse
    #notlogical
    #notgood

  162. iRobert
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Jean, you have a good memory. Do you remember a post here on NXIVM? I can’t find any references to the sex cult in Mark’s posts.

    If Mark did write a post on NXIVM and then delete it, maybe he would be willing to tell us why. Does Mark occasionally delete his posts? I would imagine he might.

  163. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    There was a NXIVM post. Site admin is lying. He heard that Roger Stone worked for them at one time and thought it spelled bad news for Trump.

  164. iRobert
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    Site admin: “So, no, Mark never secretly removed a post about NXIVM. And, no, he was never a member. And, no, he never ate babies with Hillary Clinton beneath a D.C. pizza shop. And, no, he’s not a lizard person.”

    Are you expecting us to just take your word on this and let it go? Come on, you know us better than that.

    Maybe we should offer a bounty for any screen shots anybody may have on this rumored NXIVM post. Even just a copy of the text would be very useful.

  165. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Ridiculing pizzagate is falling flat as shit right about now. Raniere had child porn. Prospective slaves were shown graphic murders and gang rapes as a test to see which ones could handle it without a problem. They trafficked children from foreign countries, especially Mexico.

    Ben Szemkus took a polygraph about his story of attending the 2007 mixer and who was there. Weiner, Schneiderman, Daniels, Pizzagate James Alefantis. He said some other people were there in his video. Huma Abedin was introduced to him by Weiner. I know about polygraphs but I think there is something to them. It’s not proof but it is evidence. Evidence that the examiner says Szemkus did not show tell-tale signs of deception.

    https://thedcpatriot.com/bombshell-nxivm-sex-cult-witness-names-major-stars-politicians-in-polygraph/

    So this is all extremely interesting to me. It kind of seems like things are going just like I said and just like several people here have tried to ridicule me for (to an extreme degree I might add.)

  166. Anonymous
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    It is to be expected that people will ridicule HW because what he posts here is ridiculous. Why is he so surprised and hurt by it? If it hurts him so, why does he come here?

  167. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    I have talked about the NXIVM trials which culminated last week in Keith Raniere being convicted on all seven charges against him. Polygraph passing Ben Szemkus in 2018 telling what happened in 2007

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxch-YOFwFA

  168. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    So reality is ridiculous. Okay. I wouldn’t say ridiculous really touches all the bases but that’s alright. I don’t understand it though. Why ridicule someone who talks about reality? Can’t face it?

  169. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    It is expected that people will ridicule HW. ( No it is not expected.)

    What HW posts here is ridiculous. (No it is not.)

    Why is HW so surprised and hurt by it. (He is not.)

    It hurst him so. (No it does not.)

    Why does HW come here? (AHHH this is what you really want to say.)

    Isn’t there a scene in “Mean Girls”, or some similar movie, where the pretty popular girls are at a party and they say to the unfashionable and unpopular girl attending the party: “OMG, Who are you, why are you here, why are you talking?”

    Anonymous might not me a teenage girl; and Anonymous might not be pretty; and Anonymous might not be popular; but his posts always seem to be coming from a similar weak, insecure, shallow perspective which seeks control.

    Go back to the beginning. You know what I say is true, Anonymous.

  170. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    What a beautiful day! Look at that sky!!! The explosion of green this year! I love living in this time. Dark to Light

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4w2BZXL6Ss

  171. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    iRobert, it would have been before I posted this:

    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 25, 2018 at 8:35 am | Permalink
    Wasn’t there an article on NXIVM on this blog? Can’t seem to find it.

  172. Jean Henry
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    FF thinks HW’s posts are ‘not ridiculous’ but the rest of us have opinions warped and distorted by political bias.

    FF thinks HW is not over-sensitive or easily provoked by counter, but the rest of us are.

    Anonymous is weak and insecure but HW is not.

    No one has to take this man seriously anymore. His own double standard is beyond the pale. I hope we can all agree to simply not argue with him as his delusions, if not his arguments, are bulletproof.

  173. Jean Henry
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    PS– I read this blog with far too much regularity and remember no article about NXIVM as related to Roger Stone or otherwise.

  174. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Evidence in reality of what you say are delusions belie you. What I say is true. Admit NXIVM was an elite child sex trafficking mind control abuse cult or you are a liar. That reality is now confirmed by court documents. Everything I have said is being confirmed. There is no way to call it deluded now. You can try to ignore it but the wolf is howling right outside your door now.

    Baynard didn’t have that article posted for long. You missed it. Everyone did but me apparently. I was going to comment on it and when I came back it was gone. It was focused on Roger Stone and how he supposedly worked for NXIVM. Baynard knows it. Probably did a little more research and decided that wasn’t the can of worms to open that day hahaha.

  175. Regular reader
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    I read this blog daily and never saw an article on NXIVM here.

  176. Anonymous
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Or maybe because you’ve done such extensive research on this topic on multiple sites that you may have misattributed what you read in one place to what you read here. Because it was completely confabulated, of course you believe that it occurred. And you’re not wrong. It did occur for you.

  177. Anonymous
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    The only fake news here is all the information in HW’s head. He is so addled with conspiracies that he naturally just makes them up without thinking. The man’s head is so full of lies and fantasies that everything that appears in his head is the truth to him. He needs help, badly.

  178. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    It’s the gaslighter brigade! Yay. Even if there never was a hastily removed article on this blog (which there was) it doesn’t matter. Everything I have said about NXIVM is true. You act like there have not been a number of trials on it all of which ended with a guilty verdict. You must live in an alternate plane where if you simply say something is delusion then in reality it is. Wow, that’s kinda like magic. Problem is sometimes reality here on this plane has a way of catching up with you.

  179. Lynne
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Jean, Re: “No one has to take this man seriously anymore. “

    I feel that I have been slow to figure this out! But you are correct

  180. Anonymous
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    I’m pretty sure that Mark posted his support for the Golden State Warriors to win the NBA championship, and then took it down as it didn’t seem to fit the tone of this blog. I know, because I read it myself. It happened so quickly that I was the only person who read it. But it doesn’t matter, really, because none of you will admit that I am right about Kawhi Leonard leading Toronto to the title. They are international champions, and basketball was invented by a Canadian, so the trophy belongs in its original home. The truth hurts, doesn’t it.

  181. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    It doesn’t matter if you take me seriously. Does that affect reality do you think? You didn’t take me seriously about elite child abusers. I think you should have to say what you said to me to the NXIVM survivors. I wouldn’t want to put them through that actually but it would be amazing to see you have to deal with their response. To think that people who have nothing to gain from it would ridicule survivors of something so horrible…I don’t know how you live with yourselves.

  182. Jean Henry
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    I don;t believe anyone here questioned the legitimacy of charges about NXIVM or suggested sex trafficking and abuse don’t exist, HW. The cult was not filled with elites. I would have no idea who Allison Mack was if it weren’t for these charges against her. And as far as I recall Mark didn’t write about the cult.

    How is it that theNXIVM cult has anything to do with your political theories? I don’t understand what victory you are claiming here.

  183. Jean Henry
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Do it appears one high ranking member of NXIVM, Clare Bronfman, asked other high ranking members to donate to the Clinton campaign and then reimbursed them so she could donate more than the legal limit. Separately one of the donors said the cult was always trying to curry favor with politicos ‘like the Clintons.’ There was no indication they had any success with the Clintons or received any benefit from Bronfman’s donations. It looks like the actions and motivation of one woman, who is facing charges, not a systemic issue.

    Much ado about not much from HW again with linkages imagined and exaggerated to prove his theories again. Hw never saw a kernel of truth that he couldn’t elaborate on.

  184. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Why would I care if you take me seriously? Who cares? It’s irrelevant. You or Lynne,in this case , will either back up your shallow opinions with substance or you will not. You will either grapple with ideas or you will pretend like you have things all figured out. If you find HW’s arguments ridiculous then you should point out his errors. You should do the same for whoever you disagree with–if you have time or it is important to you.

    It’s not about discourse or expanding knowledge with you guys it is about control over your safe spaces so that your shallow opinions can be floated about without being challenged. It really is like a post middle aged version of those scenes from “Mean Girls”: “OMG. Who are you, why are you here, why are you talking, don’t talk to her.” What is next? Are you going to start a rumor that EOS has cooties?

  185. Sad
    Posted June 21, 2019 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Hillary did her job but it’s time she exit the stage of history!

    See ya!

    But how is Mayor Pete supposed to handle this police shooting? What do they want the poor kid to do? He’s not responsible for hundreds of years of racial oppression and the way it’s distorted social interactions.

    Poor Pete!

  186. Posted June 21, 2019 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Another real woman came out publicly today so say that she’d been raped by Donald Trump, but, yes, by all means, let’s instead spend our time debating whether or not members of NXIVM ever donated to the Clinton campaign. Makes total sense.

    As for whether or not I ever mentioned NXIVM here, I don’t think I have. I searched through the archives and didn’t find anything, but I may have said something in a comment. I don’t know what I would have said, though, as I haven’t followed the case all that closely. I did hear something about a Roger Stone connection yesterday on the radio, but I don’t think that I was aware of it before that. And I don’t care enough to look into it to see if it’s true. Stone’s sexual stuff, while interesting, I guess, is probably the least troubling thing about him.

  187. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    The Bronfman’s aren’t considered elite? In what universe? Clinton Global Initiative members? Are you insane?

  188. iRobert
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    I’ve noticed there hasn’t been much talk, if any, about the Jeffrey Epstein case. That’s odd. I wonder why.

  189. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 6:11 am | Permalink

    You don’t THINK you mentioned it. Mkay there lil buddy. I would think you would know for a fact. I know for a fact I saw your blog entry. I was surprised even you would made a mistake of that magnitude. You were edumacatin’ the people about the awful sex slave cult Roger Stone was supposed to be a part of.

  190. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    I have talked quite a lot about that, iRob. It’s not any kind of problem around here that the Clinton’s were drawn to Little St. James like moths to a flame though.

  191. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    You have to be invited to be in the CGI and you have to pay $15,000 per year. Peanuts for *elite* billionaire heiresses who throw hundreds of millions at Keith Raniere.

  192. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    No problem the Clinton’s took illegally bundled money from NXIVM members. No problem at all no matter what they do.

  193. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    Historical perspective on the Bronfman family wealth by Frank Parlato. If you want to find out the depraved reality of NXIVM Parlato is the man. This is the whistleblower who was instrumental in bringing Raniere and NXIVM down, a man who worked for NXIVM until he decided to blow the whistle.

    Capone, Detroit, mail order medicinal alcohol…

    https://frankreport.com/2018/01/17/the-true-history-and-sinister-origin-of-bronfman-family-wealth/

  194. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    The last part of that sentence cracked me up. Probably fitting I imagine.

    “In 2000, Edgar Jr. exchanged his family’s entire firm – booze, music labels, TV production contracts, U.S. theme parks and all – for $34 billion in stock in Vivendi, a French sewer and filtration outfit intent on transforming itself into a global entertainment conglomerate.”

  195. Anonymous
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    You keep breaking out the red string, HW, and trying to make all of these connections on your conspiracy theory dream board in an attempt to demonstrate that sex criminals are tied financially to the Clinton’s nonprofit. Meanwhile, we have over a dozen women who have gone on the record to say that they have personally been RAPED by Donald Trump. Can you acknowledge the humor in that?

  196. iRobert
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    People with skeletons in their closet make for very controllable proxis. That’s why you’ll find so many of them in high political office. It’s important to the powerful interests which placed them there to have a tight leash on them in the event that they start imagining they can do as they wish.

  197. iRobert
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Blackmail and extortion are a very significant aspect of higher level politics – far more than the casual observer can fathom.

  198. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    Is there someone telling the truth about being RAPED by Donald Trump? Who is it? At least some of those claims are phony. They tried to say he raped a 13 year old at Jeffrey Epstein’s apartment in New York but it turned out Epstein did not even have an apartment in New York at that time. Guess what happened? The plaintiff never materialized. All this right before the election. You can believe there is no way that is fuckery but that is ridiculous. I almost didn’t vote for Trump because of that “story”. I found out I think the day before the election about Epstein not having an apartment at that time and it became clear it was a desperate lie to try to kill Trump’s chance to win.

  199. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    “iRobert
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 7:24 am | Permalink
    Blackmail and extortion are a very significant aspect of higher level politics – far more than the casual observer can fathom.”

    True. If they can’t do that to you they have to try to do it with lies. It always seems like water off a duck’s back with Trump though. How could that be? How could he be immune to their attacks?

  200. John Brown
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Meanwhile right wing terrorist shut down Oregon gov in service of the GOP.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/22/threats-militia-provoke-shutdown-oregon-capitol-day-after-gop-lawmakers-fled/?utm_term=.a5ff6736ec4d

    Can we all agree the real threat of violence comes from trump supporters?

  201. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Another shockingly beautiful day in Ypsilanti, MI USA Planet Earth. Don’t forget only some 14 thousand years ago this whole area was a BIG ASS river that would make the Huron of today look like nothing; more water than we can probably imagine. If the pattern of the last two million years remains true the ice will soon come again and all we have built will be ground into bits. Our time in these conditions is precious and rare.

    Fun fact of the day: Did you know the Milky Way has satellite galaxies? One of them, the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy actually intersects the Milky Way and is being destroyed each time it loops around and passes through. Scientists have observed evidence the Milky Way has stolen stars from the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy.

  202. iRobert
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    HW: “It always seems like water off a duck’s back with Trump though. How could that be? How could he be immune to their attacks?”

    I doubt he’s totally immune. Still, for the most part it appears that serious accusations against Trump have minimum impact. I’d say this is the result of a combination of things. First off, there is a significant portion of the population that doesn’t care what he does, and support him regardless. Some just hate the Democrats that much. Others just aren’t the sort of people who consider sexual misconduct or even rape to be a serious offence, Second, there are a pretty good number of people that just don’t pay that much attention to anything. They don’t read or hear about such things and most of them don’t care to either. Many people are just very selective about what they want to hear, read, or take seriously.

    Most people who consider the accusations may have truth to them, are almost all already against Trump. More accusations don’t shift their attitudes about him, or of what they’d believe he is capable. There is however a very small number of people who are somewhere in the cracks which divide these groups, who are swayed.

    I’m not confident that the Democratic Party’s candidate selection process is not going to be manipulated the way the Republican Party’s was in 2016. So I wouldn’t feel confident in saying we will see in the coming Presidential campaign and election how much shift there has been in favor or against Trump. I expect we will likely see more manipulation, and a public mind too damaged to follow along. We also may just get another war to manipulate the masses. That seems like a real likelihood now. Trump is being pushed continuously to attack Iran.

  203. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    You mean the dems pied piper strategy where they thought they could easily Get Trump if he was nominated? That manipulation? Or the extensive dem party manipulation (take-over/Bernie screw job) by Hillary?

  204. iRobert
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    HW: “You mean the dems pied piper strategy where they thought they could easily Get Trump if he was nominated?”

    It’s correct that Dem strategists assumed Trump would be the easiest candidate to beat of the GOP field. That’s not what I’m getting at however.

    HW: “That manipulation?”

    No. That’s not what I was talking about. The nomination process in the GOP was manipulated to get Trump through the field. The timing of the other candidates in terms of how many and how long each stayed in the race was manipulated in order to ensure Trump’s continued front-runner status and accumulation of delegates.

    HW: “Or the extensive dem party manipulation (take-over/Bernie screw job) by Hillary?”

    That’s a whole other story (but related and essential).

  205. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    “The nomination process in the GOP was manipulated to get Trump through the field. The timing of the other candidates in terms of how many and how long each stayed in the race was manipulated in order to ensure Trump’s continued front-runner status and accumulation of delegates.”

    How specifically? Are you sure how long they were able to stay in the race didn’t have to do with how hard they were getting their ass kicked?

  206. Sad
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Trump sent thousands of immigrants scrambling on his deportation threats and made us all worry that he was going to start a war with Iran. Just fun for a weekend.

    The man is either a political genius or a demented madman. Which is it HW?

    Does Pete or any other rational actor stand a chance?

  207. iRobert
    Posted June 22, 2019 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Political parties normally have full control of who gets into the field of candidates for the party’s presidential nomination. A strategy which is devised early on behind closed doors is enforced in order to ensure a particular candidate gets the nomination. Naturally, further strategy meetings are called if adjustments to that strategy are deemed necessary. Deals are cut with any big names that are bent on getting in and disrupting that strategy. If deals are rejected, increasingly forceful methods are employed. But the point is that parties manage the primary nomination process from beginning to end. Only a yahoo would imagine otherwise. However, an outside interest can use various forms of coercion to override the internal control of that process. That is clearly what happened in the 2016 GOP primary process. Everything about the number of candidates and how long each stayed in the race screams a very obvious strategy. It’s bizarre that people, especially all the supposed experts in the media, never really discuss it at all.

    Though it’s kind of an obvious assumption to make, it seems almost nobody outside of party insiders gets that parties normally manage their nomination process. When it appears not to be internally managed, it is because that standard procedure is being overruled.

    It’s clear that the party elite did not want Trump as their nominee in 2016. They would have normally cut deals and made threats to keep most of those 27 or so candidates from getting in the race. They would have made sure the anti-Trump votes were consolidated behind one candidate early. It’s standard. But that’s not at all what happened. Deals and threats from outside the party trumped the ususual internal controls. GOP party insiders attributed the outside hijacking to the fix being in for Hillary.

    I can also talk about this in a great more detail, as well as about the manipulation that was going on regarding the Dem primary race. But I’m tired and need to get to sleep. I’ll have a lot more to add if anyone gives a shit about this take on things.

  208. Sad
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    Do tell.

  209. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    “an outside interest can use various forms of coercion to override the internal control of that process. That is clearly what happened in the 2016 GOP primary process. Everything about the number of candidates and how long each stayed in the race screams a very obvious strategy.”

    But it sounds like you are just re-iterating your (rather vague) claim with more wordage, not being specific about what you think happened. If you just say “they would have done this” or “they would have done that” I don’t think that does much. Of course it’s true the repub establishment feared Trump and wanted to stop him. That ought to be obvious. Is that all you are trying to say?

  210. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    Where do you get 27 GOP candidates from? I recall about 16 or 17 serious ones.

  211. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    HW, I actually agree with your criticism of the way I’ve tried to communicate my points. I’m generally not a great writer, especially when I’m just sort of rambling, rather than organizing the points I am trying to make before I present it. I imagine there are a few people here who kinda get the points I’m attempting to communicate and could explain them much more clearly and effectively. At the very least, I should Stop trying to post lengthy explanations on this tiny iPhone and instead get onto a PC To do it.

    I want to also point out that it doesn’t seem to me that the Russians could get away with ushering Trump through the GOP primary/nomination process. I would think that US intelligence is always guarded against such a thing happening and ready to go ballistic on any foreign agents engaged in such an operation. I do however believe our own intelligence agencies, or a strong faction within the US intelligence community could successfully carry out such a thing without being discovered and challenged.

    As far as I know, most, (if not all) of what I’m suggesting was done is technically legal. Or at least it is practically impossible to investigate and prove as illegal. Offering deals to individuals in order to get them to join the field of candidates, and to stay in and campaigning, is simple to do with the proper resources, connections and influence. Threatening to expose something damning about an individual who doesn’t respond to the deal offers is pretty simple and easy to do as well.

    Is what I’ve said so far making sense to you, HW? How about you, Sad? …and everybody else?

  212. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    “Trump sent thousands of immigrants scrambling on his deportation threats and made us all worry that he was going to start a war with Iran. Just fun for a weekend.
    The man is either a political genius or a demented madman. Which is it HW?
    Does Pete or any other rational actor stand a chance?”

    Illegal immigrants. Now the dems have another chance to change the insane catch and release policy.

    Did you see the Schumer-Pelosi dance after Trump let them know he was going along with the attack? Sad…think!

  213. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    You may be right that there were only 16 or 17 serious candidates, HW. But I think almost 30 actually filed officially and were on the ballots at least is some states. I’ll have to go back and see if I can find the full list. Even a bunch of unknowns and candidates who wouldn’t be catagorized as serious at all get a certain portion of the vote. So 10 unknowns could be a meaningful impact actually.

  214. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    It sounds fanciful, iRob; not grounded in facts.

  215. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    Chuck Todd just suggested on NBC, in referring to the 2016 GOP primary field, that there were “24” people trying to get on stage for the debates back then, and that they managed to limit it to “20.”

    I still remember there being 3 to 5 more than Chuck Todd’s number filing at the beginning and only a very few dropping out completely at any early point.

  216. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Which part sound most fanciful, HW? Would you not assume deals are always being offered behind the scenes in order to mold the direction of the process?

  217. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    I mean that anything untoward happened in the primary.

  218. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    So you don’t disagree with my suggestions about all the back room dealing (so to speak) that the party leaders engage in during the process though. Right?

  219. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    I’m not sure what I would be disagreeing or agreeing with. It’s oddly vague. I take it for granted the political process is corrupt. You seem to be extrapolating it to events you assume must have occurred because that is the norm.

  220. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    When I worked on the John Edwards 2008 campaign, he was under extraordinary pressure to take a deal in exchange for getting out of the race. Even when a number of other candidates besides Hillary and Obama were still in, there was that extraordinary pressure. He was being warned to get out in no uncertain terms. It was extremely educational to observe. I was even there when Christopher Dodd gave Edwards a very clear warning that he needed to get with the program the party was demanding of him.

    I have been present and observed first hand other similar things in other races as well.

  221. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    HW: “You seem to be extrapolating it to events you assume must have occurred because that is the norm.”

    I can understand how it may seem like that. But I’m actually suggesting that there was all the circumstantial eveidence wed need to know that it was going on. I’m suggesting that the strategy was very clear from the details visible to all o us.

  222. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Okay. How does that relate to 2016?

  223. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    You can suggest all you like but why not point out specifically what you think happened? I don’t see the point in doing it otherwise.

  224. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Are you saying the “safeguards” against getting a non-establishment figure failed…and that is a bad thing? I’m still trying to understand what you mean exactly.

  225. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    If I were to just write a long essay detailing the entire process and how it was worked to usher Trump through the primaries and then installed through a covert strategy in the general, you’d just say it was ridiculous and baseless. That’s why I’m trying to lay the groundwork regarding the fundamentals which it is based upon first.

    The internal managing of the primary process by party elites seems to me to be a given. But that’s because I have considerable experience personally. Still, it seems to me to all stand to reason, even to an outside observer with a logical mind.

  226. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    HW: “Are you saying the “safeguards” against getting a non-establishment figure failed…and that is a bad thing? I’m still trying to understand what you mean exactly.”

    I guess from the point of view of the party leaders the internal management of how the primaries proceed and who gets through is seen as a “safeguard” against a spoiler getting the nomination, yes. But I’m speaking about this more as an observer making no. Alien judgements about anything, at least at this point. So I’m not suggesting it is a bad thing, or a good thing either. I’m just trying to present an analysis which isn’t colored by any value judgements. I think making value judgement hinders the process of making a logical and thoughtful analysis.

    That’s not to say I don’t have feelings about the ethics involved in all these things. I just feel a proper and successful analysis and argument requires exclusion of value judgements.

  227. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Correction:

    In my previous comment, I meant to say “But I’m speaking about this more as an observer making no value judgements about anything, at least at this point.”

  228. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    The internal management of the primary process was overridden by an external management (so to speak). So, yes, in that sense, the internal process can be said to have “failed” from one perspective. But I think it is much more accurate to simply describe it as having been overridden, or overpowered.

  229. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    If I were to write out that entire essay on how the 2016 process actually transpired, and everyone were to agree that it was plausable (which I know nobody here would do), from your perspective, HW, the external actors in the both GOP and Dem prinary processes would be the “White Hats,” as you call them. The left leaning folks here would probably suspect the Russians to be the external actors I’m talking about. I haven’t drawn any final conclusions about who these actors are or what interests they represent. I’m more cynical than you though, and suspect the interests are self serving and damaging to the greater good.

  230. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    I think Seth Rich leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks. He was disillusioned by the Bernie screw job. I think most likely he had a patriotic impulse. He might have got paid by Wikileaks so I’m not sure it was entiiirely altruistic, but the resulting exposure was the same regardless. White hat, grey hat, I don’t know. I think he was the “example” Podesta spoke of in his own phished emails. Crowdstrike’s Russian hack claim is a cover up.

    As to Donald Trump I do think there was a plan devised a long time ago for him to spearhead the destruction of the Deep State. Who was Donald’s true friend until his untimely death twenty years ago? What did George Magazine have to say about Donald Trump?

  231. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    George Magazine ran an article about Trump?

  232. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Oh yeah. “The Secret Behind Donald Trump’s Political Fling: He’s Running – All The Way To The Bank… …The Trumpster”

    https://www.amazon.com/GEORGE-Magazine-February-Donald-Trumpster/dp/B001TLU234

    Did you know JFK Jr. and Donald Trump were good friends?

  233. iRobert
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Bo, I didn’t know that, HW?

  234. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 23, 2019 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    https://nypost.com/2016/11/03/jfk-jr-predicted-trumps-run-for-president-20-years-ago/

    As frequently happened to Kennedy at his events, talk soon turned to whether he could envision himself running for president.

    Trying to deflect the presidential chatter, Kennedy noted that the Trump estate was far more glamorous than a Kennedy family compound a few miles away.

    “I think you should be asking those questions of Donald,” Kennedy said, according to Berman.

    “He’d clearly have the most extravagant winter White House,” the then-35-year-old editor-in-chief said.

    Q post about POTUS and JFK Jr.

    Apr 8 2018 13:15:14 (EST)
    POTUS & JFK JR.
    Relationship.
    Plane crash 1999.
    HRC Senate 2000.
    The “Start.”
    Enjoy the show.
    Q

  235. iRobert
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    HW, are you watching the Mueller testimony?

  236. iRobert
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Fox isn’t carrying the Mueller testimony, so I thought you might not realize it’s on now live. You can change the channel to ABC, CBS, NBC, or any number of other cable networks.

    It’s interesting that Fox doesn’t want the public to see the details of Mueller’s report read publically.

  237. iRobert
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS is now being brought up by Representative Chabot asking why there is no mention in the report.

  238. EOS
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    The AG instructed Mueller to respond only to questions about the report. The report has already been released to the public. No collusion, no criminal obstruction.

    There are still ongoing investigations and hopefully future prosecutions of Obama administration officials. I’m sure Fox will report these. They will be newsworthy.

  239. EOS
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    Donald Trump: “So Democrats and others can illegally fabricate a crime, try pinning it on a very innocent President, and when he fights back against this illegal and treasonous attack on our Country, they call It Obstruction? Wrong! Why didn’t Robert Mueller investigate the investigators?”

  240. iRobert
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    I wonder what happened to “We Report. You Decide.”

  241. iRobert
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    White House counsel Don McGahn was prepared to resign rather than do the “crazy shit” Trump was telling him to do.

  242. EOS
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    That doesn’t mean they need to broadcast every Dog and Pony show. I’m sure they will report if there is anything substantial revealed at the testimony.

  243. iRobert
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    …or cherry pick as you’d call it if someone else were doing it.

    Doesn’t Fox want their viewers to hear the details the GOP representatives are bringing up relating to the Steele dossier? I think some of them have asked some important and intriguing questions.

  244. iRobert
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    I am sure Fox will run only the clips of comments made by the Republican representatives, later, making sure to carefully edit out anything that doesn’t look good for Trump or the GOP. “We Report. You Decide.”

    It must be nice not to feel insulted by Fox. I wonder how you do it.

  245. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    I am watching right now. Jordan fucked him up on Misfud.

  246. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    He is a Western intelligence phony Russian agent. How many countries he works for I don’t know. UK/USA/Italy? Does he work for Russia in any capacity at all?

  247. EOS
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Mueller admitted that the Steele dossier details are still under investigation.

    Barr will charge the real persons involved with foreign influence in the last Presidential election.

    Yes, Jordan did well.

  248. iRobert
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    I personally would like the Republicans to say more about the Steele dossier and questions surrounding it. I know a lot of Democrats don’t want to hear more about that, but they really should.

  249. iRobert
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    From The Hill:

    Robert Mueller soon may be exposed as the ‘magician of omission’ on Russia

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/454409-robert-mueller-soon-may-be-exposed-as-the-magician-of-omission-on-russia%3famp

  250. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Aaron Mate made some good points for anyone who is questioning their assumptions that Mueller is objective and even handed.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html

  251. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Jon Solomon has been doing some of the most accurate, insightful reporting in the mainstream sphere. You know he is on Hannity just about every week if not every night, right? Solomon’s wondertwin Sara Carter is another one of the few bringing the light of truth on that level. Everything they have been saying for years seems to be panning out.

  252. EOS
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Mueller seemed distressed and vehemently denied that he ever checked the political affiliation of persons who worked for him. The results speak for themselves. Not a single Republican and many of the Democrats were significantly involved with the Clinton campaign. What’s the probability of flipping a coin 50 times and having it come up heads each time? Doesn’t pass the smell test. I think Mueller is likely to have been questioned in the ongoing criminal investigations.

  253. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Just watched a clip of Mr. Jordan questioning Dudley DoRight.

    [Gulp]

  254. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Q
    !!mG7VJxZNCI
    Wed Jul 24 2019 16:40:27 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time)
    There are Puppets.
    There are Puppet Masters.
    Which is [MUELLER]?
    Attempt to replace [JC] as FBI Dir FAILED [attempt to regain FBI control].
    Plot & Plan [backup] to initiate SC to safeguard against criminal prosecution re: illegal and criminal actions?
    [SC = BLOCKADE]
    [SC = loss of FBI command/control safeguard]
    DOJ depends on what agency for investigating criminal actions?
    [MUELLER]U1.
    [MUELLER][Epstein bury & cover-up].
    [MUELLER][plot to remove duly elected POTUS].
    ……………..
    BIGGEST SCANDAL IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
    TREASON.
    2019 – YEAR OF THE BOOMERANG.
    Q

  255. Z
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Z
    !!Kl759QrFT
    Wed Jul 24 2019 14:20:43 EDT+0000
    There are Muppets.
    There are Muppet Masters.
    Which is [MAYNARD]?
    Attempt to replace [EOS] as ABC Dir FAILED [attempt to regain P-control].
    Plot & Plan [backup] to initiate SC to safeguard against criminal prosecution re: illegal and criminal actions?
    [SC = LEMONADE]
    [SC = loss of ABC command/control safeguard]
    DOG depends on what agency for investigating criminal actions?
    [MAYNARD]U1.
    [MAYNARD][Einstein bury & cover-up].
    [MAYNARD][plot to remove duly elected BLUTO].
    ……………..
    BIGGEST SCANDAL IN YPSILANTI HISTORY.
    SEASON.
    2019 – YEAR OF THE FRISBEE.
    Z

  256. Anonymous
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    We have basically watched the idea of limited government die. Anyone can do whatever they like now.

  257. iRobert
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t say that, Anonymous. If a Democrat gets in and does even a fraction of what Trump has, they’ll be impeached immediately.

  258. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    “Conspiracies appear to appeal to those who feel disconnected from society, who are unhappy or dissatisfied with their circumstances, who possess a subjective worldview that includes unusual beliefs, experiences and thoughts, and do not feel in control of their life (c.f. Rose, 2017). The endorsement of them challenges existing power structures in society (Imhoff and Bruder, 2014). Furthermore, those with higher levels of clinically relevant traits such as paranoid thought and schizotypy endorse them. Conceptually, for a comprehensive understanding of the causes of conspiracy beliefs, interaction of predictors should be investigated. Anomia, for example, combines elements of social-dominance orientation, powerlessness, need for cognitive closure, and distrust (Lamberty et al., 2018),”

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00205/full#h4

  259. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    “ conspiracy theories are interesting because they are not obviously optimistic and soothing in the way that many ideologies are (e.g., religious beliefs). If ideology is (at least in part) motivated, in that it functions to help people make sense of and feel good about the world, as a lot of research suggests it is, then what motivates conspiracism?… Hart and his colleagues found that schizotypy, dangerous-world beliefs, and bullshit receptivity were all strongly related to the endorsement of general conspiracies, such as the belief that some UFO sightings are staged “in order to distract the public from real alien contact” or that “the government permits or perpetrates acts of terrorism on its own soil.”Schizotypy is a constellation of schizophrenia-like personality traits that includes suspiciousness and magical thinking, while people who endorse dangerous-world beliefs think the world could suddenly erupt in chaos at any moment. People high in bullshit receptivity, meanwhile, are more likely to view meaningless statements — such as “wholeness quiets infinite phenomena” — as profound statements.”

    https://www.psypost.org/2018/09/schizotypy-and-bullshit-receptivity-predict-belief-in-conspiracy-theories-52193

  260. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    It gets better:
    “The results showed that chronic conspiracy theorists tended to have specific traits and were more likely than nonbelievers to demonstrate what’s known as “bullshit receptivity,” or the tendency to judge illogical statements as insightful or intelligent. For example, they were apt to agree that a series of shapes moving on a computer screen shown to them were acting with intention.”

    https://www.studyfinds.org/why-do-people-believe-conspiracy-theories-study-points-personality/

  261. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    ” if you are the type of person who looks out at the world and sees a chaotic, malevolent landscape full of senseless injustice and suffering, then perhaps there is a modicum of comfort to be found in the notion that there is someone, or some small group of people, responsible for it all. If ‘there’s something going on,’ then at least there is something that could be done about it.”

    It must be like looking in a mirror HW.

  262. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    “Like all successful conspiracy theories, QAnon is self-sealing. Any objection or disproof can be turned into support for the theory, usually by explaining that information is being withheld to prevent the panic of an unprepared and potentially hysterical public. Thus events that would seem to doom the theory, like the end of the Mueller investigation, are turned into evidence that those behind the conspiracy—Trump and his allies, including the author of the Q drops—are clever beyond our understanding.

    Cass Sunstein understands conspiracies as the product of “crippled epistemologies,” which accept only a limited set of sources as authoritative. Here, Donald Trump’s relentless attacks on the mainstream media have helped constrain the range of sources QAnon supporters are willing to believe, dismissing virtually any conventional journalistic authorities as part of the globalist elite responsible for all societal ills. The authoritative voices in QAnon are those most dedicated to understanding Q’s missives…”
    “Q’s literary style is one of relentless questioning, demanding that readers fill in the blanks left in the narrative:

    Where is Huma? Follow Huma.

    This has nothing to do w/ Russia (yet).

    Why does Potus surround himself w/ generals?

    What is military intelligence?

    Why go around the 3 letter agencies? (Q:#2)

    The “baking” of Q’s crumbs has led to a complex ecosystem that almost resembles Talmudic commentary, with some “researchers” competing to interpret Q’s pronouncements and tie them to breaking events in the news. Other researchers are numerologists, linking the “tripcodes” used in Q’s posts (tripcodes are a weak form of cryptographic signature designed to allow anonymous posters to link authorship of multiple posts) to thousands of books indexed by Google Books.”

    https://jods.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/tliexqdu

  263. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    For those interested in better understanding HW and his fellow Q water carriers without actually exposing themselves to the vitriol, I recommend this podcast: https://bit.ly/2TeHisS

    Highly entertaining.

  264. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Smug but ignorant with a veneer of disdain; low quality stuff. So fascinating how you keeping posting articles that don’t reckon with Q’s intel which has proven extraordinarily prescient.

  265. EOS
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    I bet when the pedophiles in high places start getting arrested and detained, Jean will go back to posting anonymously.

  266. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    ” if you are the type of person who looks out at the world and sees a chaotic, malevolent landscape full of senseless injustice and suffering, then perhaps there is a modicum of comfort to be found in the notion that there is someone, or some small group of people, responsible for it all. If ‘there’s something going on,’ then at least there is something that could be done about it.”
    It must be like looking in a mirror HW.”

    I guess I am the type of person who looks out at the world and tries to see beyond myself to what is really there. This type of psychoanalysis of the Conspiracy Theorist is so tired. In your definition are conspiracy theories necessarily incorrect? A whole lot of what Q previously tipped anons off to has become mainstream news.

  267. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    ABC News: “Impeachment’s over.”

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1154089529810313221

  268. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw3qwLWABNA

  269. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Here, let me clean out my ears.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPPwZ8ZgNdE

  270. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    EOS– I eagerly await the fall of Epstein and his cohorts. Just this morning I posted this and quoted the epic Bill Clinton takedown by Rebecca Traister.

    ”All of this was presented as if these numbers could clarify some exact science of guilt or complicity. The reality is: Yes, Clinton was grimy and had grimy friends, and, more broadly, this is how powerful men have behaved toward women and one another. Yes, we know it’s dirty and mean and exhausting and true.
    We know, of course, because the shadow of Clinton’s sexual history and his associations with other men who have terrible legacies of sexually inappropriate-to-criminal behavior have for decades hung like a greasy and unscrubbable film over the Democratic Party he once led. Clinton palled around not just with Epstein but with Charlie Rose and Harvey Weinstein and Trump himself.”

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-high-society-contacts.html?fbclid=IwAR3ClECrfIH70e24Z6x_Fd2kvkoq3OLCp2L2-HLUEZE8pF6vw0_mdqko_9Q

    I’m capable of criticizing Dems and just about everyone. Especially the assholes. You don’t know me at all.

  271. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    It was HW who said he wouldn’t believe anything implicating Trump. Direct your ire at him.

    But you wouldn’t do that would you?

  272. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Midnight
    Not a sound from the pavement
    Has the moon lost her memory?
    She is smiling alone
    In the lamplight, the withered leaves collect at my feet
    And the wind begins to moan
    Memory
    All alone in the moonlight

  273. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWVLNVC32c

  274. Jean Henry
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    And FF weighs in with a song from Cats.

    Later y’all.

  275. EOS
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    The Progressives are as sad tonight as they were immediately after the election. They just realized that they were the ones who bought into a false conspiracy theory about Trump colluding with the Russians. And it was perpetrated with the collusion of Deep State and MSM. The investigation of the investigators will reveal the real criminal activity.

  276. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    “It was HW who said he wouldn’t believe anything implicating Trump. ”

    Bull shit. You lie as always. I never said that. Epstein’s arrest is another feather in Q and all the anons’ cap. You said I am a lot of nasty things for understanding things such as people like the Clinton’s flew around with Epstein all the time. You said it’s conspiracy theory, ridiculous etc. Now you are backpedaling as fast as possible.

  277. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump:

    TRUTH IS A FORCE OF NATURE!

    12:33 PM – 24 Jul 2019

  278. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 82599e No.7168098
    Jul 24 2019 15:14:50 (EST)
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/force_of_nature
    Q

  279. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    You might not be a liar but HW is right to call “bullshit”. I am sorry but you chronically mis-remember things, Jean. If you realized how bad it is you would adjust your approach and comment with much more caution.

    The good news is that you might not be horrible person. What appears to be malicious mis-representation of others might just be all due to your bad memory.

  280. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Michael Moore
    @MMFlint
    · 5h
    A frail old man, unable to remember things, stumbling, refusing to answer basic questions…I said it in 2017 and Mueller confirmed it today — All you pundits and moderates and lame Dems who told the public to put their faith in the esteemed Robert Mueller — just STFU from now on
    4:33 PM · Jul 24, 2019

  281. Sad
    Posted July 24, 2019 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    The state Treasurer from Maine just endorsed Mayor Pete!

    https://www.sunjournal.com/2019/07/24/state-treasurer-backs-buttigieg-for-president/

    Get ready Mr. Trump.

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