“It’s not an interference. They have information. I think I’d take it.”

I was going to take the night off and watch Double Indemnity with a glass of scotch, but then the President of the United States went and said on the record that he would accept the assistance of a hostile foreign power in order to stay in power, and now my night is pretty much ruined. [As I know from experience, one can not drink scotch while wringing one’s hands, or enjoy the acting abilities of Barbara Stanwyck while screaming out the window.]

After this exchange, George Stephanopoulos mentioned to Trump that his own FBI Director, Christopher Wray, when recently asked during congressional testimony if candidates for elected office should report instances of foreign governments reaching out to offer election-related assistance, said that of course they should. Upon hearing this, Trump responded by saying, “The FBI Director is wrong.” [He wasn’t wrong.]

As former CIA Director John Brennan just said on Twitter, “This is just the latest example of what Vice President Biden meant when he said that Mr. Trump is an existential threat to our country. ‘Unfit to be President’ is a gross understatement. Donald Trump is undeserving of any public office, and all Americans should be outraged.”

Oh, and do you think that this might possibly be why Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is preventing a vote on bipartisan legislation to secure our elections from foreign interference?

OK, I want to go on, but I’m determined to find a way to drink that scotch.

Before I go, though, there’s one more thing that I wanted to share with you… Donald Trump also said today, if you can believe it, that the Mueller report found that he and members of his campaign “rebuffed” overtures from Russia. [It did the opposite.]

update: The Chair of the Federal Elections Commission has now weighed in to say that, yes, doing what Donald Trump has suggested would be a crime.

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90 Comments

  1. John Brown
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 5:55 am | Permalink

    Prison is too good for this traitor. I hope he gets Mussolini-ed. Preferably from a Citgo for the socialist tie-in, but a Shell or BP will do.

  2. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Somebody let those statements by Trump ruin their night?I am so confused. May I ask: Why?

  3. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    “The President of the United States went and said on the record that he would accept the the assistance of a hostile foreign power in order to stay in power.”

    Versus.

    “I think maybe you want to do both [listen and go to the FBI]. I think maybe you want to listen. There is nothing wrong with listening.If someone called from a country–Norway–We have information on your opponet. Oh, I think I’d want to hear it. It’s not interference. They have information. I think I’d take it. If I thought there was something wrong, I’d go maybe to the FBI. If I thought there was something wrong.”

  4. Anonymous
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Which is it?

    “Maybe go to the FBI”

    or

    “Nobody goes to the FBI”

    Clearly, he doesn’t think going to the FBI is a priority.

    The problem is that no candidate (of any party) should be accepting money or information from a foreign power, at all. Here, he says “I’d want to hear it” and “I think I’d take it.” Obviously, he has no problem with working with a foreign power to win an election.

  5. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    no comment

  6. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Nothing Bark Baynard says turns out to be true; .000 batting average.

  7. Sad
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Mayor Pete would never take information from a foreign government to defeat Trump in 2020.

    He just wouldn’t. He’s not that type of person.

  8. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Mayor Pete is a good listener.

  9. Sad
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Just yesterday he went to listen to Rev. Barber.

    He didn’t talk. He just listened.

    https://religionnews.com/2019/06/12/boisterous-faith-leaders-and-a-silent-pete-buttigieg-rally-against-trump-at-white-house/

  10. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    >>>xx

    Frosted Flakes gives this article 3 out 5 pinocchios.

  11. David Axelrod by proxy
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    I did 150 campaigns and did not accept “oppo” from ANY foreign government much less an adversary.

    Let’s not pretend this is normal. Or legal. Or right.

  12. Washington Post
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    At a Senate hearing on May 7, FBI Director Chris Wray said such attempts should be reported. Trump appointed Wray after firing James Comey. “My view is that, if any public official or member of any campaign is contacted by any nation-state or anybody acting on behalf of a nation-state about influencing or interfering with our election, then that is something that the FBI would want to know about,” Wray testified.

    Asked about this statement by ABC anchor George Stephanopoulos, Trump said, “The FBI director is wrong.”

    An FBI spokeswoman declined to comment.

  13. Eel
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    There was no collusion, but I’m happy to collude.

  14. Rep. Eric Swalwell
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Congress has no choice: we must begin an impeachment inquiry against @realDonaldTrump. He has invited the Russians to again sabotage our elections. And he has obstructed (& obstructs) justice. Time to be held accountable. Our democracy is worth saving.

    https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1139174481039986688

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Trump Jr. accepted a meeting with a dem/agency plant. Clinton paid to manufacture Russian lies to frame Trump. Trump is the one with the problem though according to you.

  16. Anonymous
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    The only thing stopping this man from greatness is Hillary Clinton.

    How does it feel for a great man to be held back by a decrepit old lady?

    I wonder.

  17. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Hillary is holding him back from greatness? How? She and the entire Establishment tried their best and failed. Now they are going to get it and when I say ‘it’ I mean justice.

  18. Anonymous
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Face it, even if any indictments come out, she has won. Trump just looks more and more like a chump every single day. Think how different things would have been if she hadn’t been around.

    He got beat by an old lady. What a total loser.

  19. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Anyone interested in the latest attack on oil tankers. Can anyone say “Gulf of Tonkin”.

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Like I told you before learn the difference between opinion and fact. That’s fine you have that opinion. You ought to realize you only speak for yourself though. If you don’t then you are operating on a child’s level. It’s not like you can simply make a pronouncement and it magically becomes reality.

    Logically how could it be that Trump is the one who looks like the chump here? The chumps tried to take him out with bogus intel and now they are going to pay. I’m going to have a field day that never ends right here.

  21. EOS
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Clinton paid Steele to fabricate a dossier. So are you saying it is OK to pay foreigners to provide false information about an opposing candidate, but an impeachable offense to listen to a foreigner talk about your opposing candidate? Didn’t she read his report before they used it to obtain a FISA warrant? Why isn’t this duplicity as apparent to “Progressives” as it is to the rest of us?

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    To say POTUS “got beat by an old lady. What a total loser” indicates severe derangement; total disconnect. You think you can manufacture reality with irrational pronouncements?

  23. facebook stalker
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    As Mark said today on Twitter: “Pretty sure Steele didn’t hack the RNC, fund a Facebook disinformation campaign, or try to breach voting machines.”

  24. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    It is some elite-election-results-denial-2.0 though. Amazingly ELITE!

    Just Amazing. Thank you MM.com community you guys are awesome!

  25. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Yes! Quote your leader! You guys are awesome! Everything you say and repeat makes awesome amounts of sense in a way that is totally bullshit free!

  26. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Assange is coming. They agreed to extradite. Didn’t watch him all but verbally state that Seth Rich was his source? That means Crowdstrike’s claim of a Russian hack is garbage. In what alternate universe would the FBI take their word for that? You have to be out of your mind.

  27. Anonymous
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    There are millions of people who think Trump is a complete loser. And it is because he got bested by an old lady. If Clinton wasn’t around, everyone would love Trump. But she showed America what a fool he is and he can never stop it. From minute one, millions of people were laughing at him and they still are. President Chump.

    You know its true. Just look around.

  28. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    That makes no sense. Are you trying to say because of the popular vote? Last time I checked the rules for the 2016 election and all the ones before that was you have to win the Electoral College. Who cares which team got more shots on goal? You know what I mean? When you shoot but fail to score? It’s what’s on the scoreboard at the end of the game that determines the winner. No one cares about that but the losers. Even most losers wouldn’t whine about it let alone try to crow!

    Regarding millions of people: Trump hit 50% in Rasmussen’s approval rating the other day. If the polls mean anything then more people are getting on board with him than before. CNN has sunk dramatically and they were Russian Collusion Central. Some of those lost viewers are bound to have changed their mind completely and some others have softened on the President in light of being fed a steady diet of lies for two years.

  29. Anonymous
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    That means that more than 150 million people think Trump is a loser. Look around you. You know it’s true. People are laughing at Trump. They are laughing at you. And it’s all because he got beat by an old lady. President Chump will go down in history as the most ridiculed President in history, a national joke. You know it’s true. Just look around.

  30. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Millions of people believe all kinds of wacky shit. Most people are completely lost. I’m not worried about that.

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Your delusion has progressed to believing Hillary Clinton is the POTUS. It’s bizarre.

  32. Sad
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Some people think Mayor Pete won’t be our next President.

    Ha-Ha!

  33. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    You think people are laughing at the POTUS and me for “getting beat by Hillary Clinton”. Mkay.

  34. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Did the good Mayor go on to work for the CIA or did he call it quits after Naval Intelligence?

  35. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    I do think it is a good sign that more people are posting as “Anonymous” now.

  36. Anonymous
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    She beat him down and made him look like a chump the whole way. Look at the way people are laughing at him. She could go to jail forever and people would still be laughing at him. Everyone knows what a fool he is because of her. Look at everything he’s done. Clinton runs the media which shows him as a chump every day. The investigations that won’t go away. The suspicions. He won’t even come out any more. Just him in his lonely house. What a scared chump. You just have to start looking around. They are laughing at him. They are laughing at you.

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Wacky shit

  38. Anonymous
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Just look around. It isn’t a joke. People are laughing at him every day. People will be laughing at him forever. President Chump, the weak President who gets slayed by women every day. Everyone is laughing at him and he can’t take it because of his small mushroom dick. What a loser. They are laughing at him. They are laughing at you. Just look around.

  39. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Look how many had to shut the fuck up though. Only the hardcore deluded morons still talk like you. Slayed by women every day. Small dick. Mkay. You only pretend to be an adult. It’s true. This is spectacular to watch but not in a good way.

  40. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Good to see that the Republicans want to be sure that genocide can proceed.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/13/senate-arms-sales-bahrain-qatar-1364278

    Clinton started a war with Yugoslavia when the kitchen got hot. The Saudi’s and Israelis own our government, time for us to perform services for them.

  41. Anonymous
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    I love to watch Trump and his people get beat down every day. It is so satisfying. Like little children getting smacked down by mommy. You know its true. Just look around and you will watch your mind melt. Everyone is laughing at you. President Chump and the Chumpsticks.

  42. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    We’re having cheese from the Moon on our salad tonight and I’ve got some to sell you.

  43. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. Warlord said you need two slices to go with your nothingburger hahahaha!

  44. Sad
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Cheese on a salad?

    I’ve always wondered who did that.

  45. Meta
    Posted June 13, 2019 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Axios: “Republican blocks bill requiring campaigns to alert FBI to foreign assistance”

    Read the article:
    https://www.axios.com/marsha-blackburn-foreign-offers-assistance-campaigns-fab324f4-a630-41aa-9b90-a6fc4ca5c5d0.html

  46. EOS
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 5:11 am | Permalink

    I think Trump will go down in history as the president who exposed the deep state and restored the constitutional form of government. He will be remembered as the President who dismantled unfair trade agreements and blocked rogue countries from profiting from stolen intellectual property. He will have a lasting effect far beyond his administration because of appointments of as many as 4 Supreme Court Justices who rightfully interpret the laws as written and not legislating from the bench. He will be remembered as the President who refused to bow before foreign leaders and who stopped the hemorrhage of tax dollars to foreign aid to countries that hate us and our way of life. He will be remembered as the President who reduced governmental burdens and restrictions on private businesses and allowed them to thrive and support record employment for all Americans. And he will restore the pride of all citizens that derives from being a part of the greatest nation in history.

  47. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    Aloha EOS, The Yemini’s of course will remember Donald as a war criminal. But I understand that your relativistic morality has no problems with killing brown folks.

  48. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Aloha, As we get ready to finish the plan for the “Clean Break” and launch our war against Iran, it might be worth while to remember how we fight them.

    https://www.rt.com/news/396074-collateral-murder-video-anniversary/?fbclid=IwAR1x2-fvKEFGCNHZJmO7vXjejkQJSvTNLviPYd-9oMPKUh9aQBlGO4clQo4

  49. Anonymouse
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    This POTUS-shaming is so hurtful.

  50. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    For those who want to vote in a Democratic straw poll

    https://democrats.com/2020-poll/?fbclid=IwAR2UU7YFDmJO0cqJdoHBnxnWn52EKtZQzkL662odu5NSgOEq6awx2S09aCE#success

  51. EOS
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    DD,

    Yes, we know your morality prefers dead Saudis to dead Yemini’s. So how is that morally superior?

  52. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Aloha EOS, Where have I ever called for any kind of military attack on anyone? I despise the autocratic absolute rulers of Arabia. But I have not even called for their deaths. Taking away all of that families wealth and power and distributing it to the people of Arabia would be nice, but I do not support or wish for a war on them. Making up arguments is nice, but not very honest.
    I support Tulsi because she is the one candidate who has the courage to call out the relentless warmongering in this country. Cooperation not conflict. 7 current wars, getting set to start number 8.
    But they hate us for our freedom!
    People are delusional. Russiagate is nothing but distraction while the world slides down the abyss of climate change. War will not change our current hell driven trajectory. Tulsi calls on us to “bend the arc of history towards peace not war”.

  53. EOS
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    DD,

    Not providing minimal assistance to the Saudi’s will result in more deaths as a result of Yemeni attacks. Standing by and doing nothing in the face of aggression, when you have the means to prevent it, makes one complicit. Yes, it would be nice if we could all just get along, but I don’t see that happening in my lifetime. Best we can do is support those under attack.

  54. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    You would be happier if POTUS was ramping up the deep state wars instead of winding them down. NK in check, ISIS caliphate destroyed, Afghanistan and Syria winding down. It’s way better than with neocons like in the Bush and Obama administrations. Iran is another deep state proxy. You’ll see.

  55. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    To wobblie obviously, not EOS

  56. CBS News
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    After facing criticism earlier this week, President Trump says “of course” he’d report damaging information to the FBI cbsn.ws/2WHDUDU

  57. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Jesus Wobblie,

    Where do the people of Yemen fit into the skin tone chart compared to the people of SA? You are better than cheap virtue signaling and baseless accusations.

  58. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW, Your fantasies about Iran are right up there with your fantasies about Assange. For example, “Assange is coming. They agreed to extradite.” Wrong. Assange does not even have a hearing on the US extradition request until February of next year. If he loses that hearing he has appeal rights. If everything goes the US’s way, Assange won’t be in the US until 2021 or later. Of course the UN Special Rapporteur on torture believes that there is a high likelihood that Assange will die before then.
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jun/14/julian-assange-to-face-us-extradition-hearing-in-uk-next-year

  59. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    You are wrong, dick.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/uk/julian-assange-extradition-order-us-gbr-intl/index.html

    The United Kingdom has signed an extradition request for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who faces charges in the US under the Espionage Act.

    UK Home Secretary Sajid Javid said he signed the papers on Wednesday, a day after the US Justice Department formally asked Britain to extradite the 47-year-old Australian.
    “First of all I am very pleased the police were able to apprehend him and now he is rightly behind bars because he broke UK law,” Javid told BBC Radio 4 on Thursday.
    “There is an extradition request from the US that is before the courts tomorrow but yesterday I signed the extradition order and certified it and that will be going in front of the courts tomorrow,” he added.
    The US will detail all charges against Assange on Friday, when it seeks his extradition in a London court.

  60. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Aloha FF, I do not support genocide. The Republican Party and its Leader der Trump support the ongoing war of aggression against Yemen. I have been calling out supporters of the Leader asking them what they think. I actually thought EOS’s Christian believes might bring her/him to a pro-peace position. But like the rest of The Leaders followers, s/he is more interested in tribal identity politics than ethics or roads to a cooperative future.

    What “baseless” accusation have I made. I will either support it with bases, or apologies for them. In fact I think I have some old bases from my co-rec soft ball days I can use.

  61. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW, Did you read what you just posted? Compare that with your absolutist statement.

    Aloha EOS, “Best we can do is support those under attack.” Even if they exterminate the vermin, I meant Yemenis. Civilized people recognize that “siege” warfare is a crime against humanity. Over a quarter of a million Yemeni civilians have died as a result of the Saudi families siege warfare against the country. Glad you have made it clear that human life is meaningless to you. The hypocrisy of Christians has always bothered me. Their believes will allow them to engage in endless wars and war crimes. But will then pass laws to control woman’s bodies and call themselves moral creatures.

  62. Anonymous
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    EOS,

    A word of advice. Stick to what you know about.

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    He signed the extradition request and a hearing was granted. Too bad they are trying to put it off till next year. I think he will be here before that.

    This though:

    https://twitter.com/SchedulePotus/status/1139523619548274688

    BREAKING: The Attorney General of #Ecuador has agreed to deliver to the US all of Julian #Assange’s documents, mobile phones, computer files, computers, memory units, CDs & any other device taken from Ecuador’s embassy in #London.

  64. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Aloha, Mean while The Leaders lies about the attack in the gulf are being challenged by eye witnesses. But hey our intelligence agencies always get things right.

    TOKYO — One of the tankers that were attacked in the Gulf of Oman was struck by a flying object, the ship’s Japanese operator said on Friday, disputing at least part of the account of United States officials who had blamed Iran for the attack.

    “Our crew said that the ship was attacked by a flying object,” said Yutaka Katada, the president of the operator, Kokuka Sangyo.

  65. Jean Henry
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Trump backtracking now on statements about foreign interference.
    This will only seem somehow validating to his supporters. That’s just how it works in Trump land.

    PS if a Dem has said the same thing you’d be outraged and demanding we roll tape 25x anc watch it over and over until we saw things as you do. Like some kind of police interrogation meant to draw a false confession via relentlessness.

    Meanwhile anything like the truth fades from view.

  66. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    I don’t have to worry about what they say. We have the goods on what they DID. Admit Hillary Clinton paid for Russian lies to fix the election.

  67. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    I don’t support deep state false flag attacks. They are trying to undermine the President and provoke war. That is the enemy.

  68. Anonymous
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    It should be obvious that Clinton was the one who blew up that tanker. Just to make a laughing stock out of President Chump. And look how it worked. Everyone is laughing at him. Everyone is laughing at you. Every day you get smaller and smaller.

  69. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Cheap and baseless accusation that supposed racism, on EOS’ part, against (brown people), is the operating reason he has a different opinion on how to proceed or who to support. Cheap because it does not attack the difference of opinion head on; and baseless because EOS support of the other side is support for brown people against other brown people; so radicalizing the issue, the way you did, in a cheap and baseless way makes no sense, unless you are trying to make yourself look bad.

  70. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    *racializing

  71. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Aloha JH, Some of us remember the Republican attack on Bill for taking donations from Chinese businessmen back in 1996. Why this was not part of the Republican articles of impeachment is obvious today. They want foreign powers to be able to pony up money and purchase influence. An historical study of Democratic nations show a high propensity for Democracies to be subverted from within by those who become toadies for foreigners. The Establishment wants to blame the Russians ( who have little to no influence on our government) while the real owners of our politicians gin up more foreign wars for us to fight for them.

  72. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Aloha FF, I agree I am cheap. baseless–Would it be better if I assumed EOS was in favor of genocide based on religion? That is really what it is. The issue I have brought up several times with EOS is her/his false understanding of the various religions that occupy the Arabian peninsula. I have pointed out the extremist exclusionary religious believes that the Saudi family advocates–to the tune of billions of petro/dollars per year. My cheap shot on race is rooted in her/his casual way in which s/he dismisses the genocide (over 250,00 dead and a million more starving to death) as “self defense”.
    Since her/his support of The Leader is more important than morality, I can only assume that s/he also supports the family separation policy of The Leader and the growing concentration camps The Leader is building to house, mainly brown folks from central America. I do not apologize for following the logic of one’s position and identifying a root cause.

  73. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    The President has cleaned out the Republican Party of old. Look how many stepped down.

    The Clinton’s and Obama have far more in common with the Bush’s than Trump. It is obvious to me the old guard of both parties are allied against him. Too bad they don’t have the power to do whatever they want anymore.

  74. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Your accusation that racism is the reason for EOS’ opinion here either makes sense or it does not. It makes zero sense, imo.

    Emotional appeals go nowhere toward making sense of your cheap and baseless accusation. (And I agree with the side you are on in this case.)

    You can do better, imo.

  75. EOS
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    My understanding of the conflict was supported by a link that contained well characterized facts. Both of the combatants are Muslim. Saddam Hussein was a harsh leader that we ousted from office – had him executed. The resultant chaos within the country has still not been resolved. The Saudi Royals engage in practices that I cannot condone. The Saudi people practice Wahhabism which is even more violent. I do not support the overthrow of the government which keeps these radicals in check. That those who seek to attack Saudi Arabia are backed by Iranians is even more reason to withhold support. Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it.

  76. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Aloha EOS, ” Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it.” Quit true. The US Congress has enacted the War Powers Act to end US involvement in the Yemen genocide. The Leader’s veto is the only thing that allows for our continued complicity. Glad to know at what point my neighbors are willing to embrace crimes against humanity. “Both of the combatants are Muslim.” Enough said.

  77. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Here is some reasonable analysis of recent events involving Iran.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/iran-decided-to-put-maximum-pressure-on-trump-here-is-how-it-will-do-it.html#more

  78. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, The Leader is so weak, he can’t even remember what he has said from day to day. And folks like EOS give up their moral agency to him, how very sad our world has become.

    “Of course you give it to the FBI or report to the attorney general or somebody like that,” Trump told Fox and Friends in a live interview Friday. “Of course you do that. I thought it was made clear.”
    compared too
    ” I’d go maybe to the FBI — if I thought there was something wrong.”

  79. EOS
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    WTH? “The Moon of Alabama where barflies get together.” Yeah, that’s a great source for information on international events.

    Donald Trump is not my moral agent. You obviously don’t have a clue.

    The Democratic Party is going to impeach Trump for something. If it is not for listening to foreigners maybe it will be for eating broccoli or bad grammar – whatever. They seem to think that no one will vote for somebody who was impeached. Regardless, the Senate will not go along. The move will backfire, especially once former administration officials get indicted for real crimes. Wait and see.

  80. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Sorry, I’ve been neglecting my Putin Puppet duties

    https://michael-hudson.com/2019/05/are-debts-sins/

  81. Jean Henry
    Posted June 14, 2019 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Curious to hear FF’s take on this one.
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/06/shocking-video-of-phoenix-cops-holding-black-family-at-gunpoint-over-1-doll/

  82. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 15, 2019 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    Hi Jean,

    Thanks for thinking of me. My quick takes based on quickly watching 2 videos from different perspectives:

    1) There could have been a combination of possible justifications for drawing the guns. I don’t know. Was there a chase? Prior to the shared videos were instructions like “roll down the window or step out of the vehicle being ignored?The Dark window tinting with the windows rolled created an a reasonable uncertainty if other certain conditions were met.

    2) Swearing at the people in the car and announcing they were going to shoot them seemed highly unprofessional but I do not have a big problem with it if the officers saw it has a way to warn them of the danger of the situation….

    3) I had a huge problem with the way the young man, once out of the car and not at all providing resistance to the arrest, and the officer man-handled/ assaulted him/ used unnecessary force, for no apparent reason. The young man being arrested was no threat. That officer should be fired and possibly charged with assault. The young man should sue the department.

    4) I had an even bigger problem with the way the woman was treated after she was out of the car with her children and no threat. She was not resisting. She was not fleeing. She was holding a child. The officer that yelled at her and grabbed her arm, while she was holding the baby, should be fired and definitely charges with assault. He was trying to handcuff a woman while she was holding a baby. So gross. The woman should sue for a lot of money. Those children likely suffered trauma that could have been avoided.

    5) Some of the officers seemed to be doing a good job actually . To me it really looked like 2 very bad cops. The officer who put his gun away as he saw the children seemed to be doing things close enough to the right way, imo.

    6) I of course would like to know more about what led up to this altercation but bottom line is that you can’t treat people like that who are not resisting and not posing an immediate threat. After they exited the car I saw zero threat. Zero resistance. The officers must act accordingly regardless of what happened prior to them getting out of the car…

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 15, 2019 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    Some very bad things happened here. The media should identify the specific bad things accurately. They will not. They will USE this situation

    May ask Jean? When you said: “Curious to hear FF’s take on this one” were you being sincere or were attempting to USE the situation?

  84. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted June 15, 2019 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Looks more and more like we are in an actual war with Russia.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/15/us/politics/trump-cyber-russia-grid.html

  85. Sad
    Posted June 15, 2019 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    As things continue to spiral out of control it becomes more and more evident that a new generation of leadership is needed more than ever.

    Make sure you throw Mayor Pete a few dollars before the end of the second quarter of fundraising.

    https://peteforamerica.com

  86. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 15, 2019 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    “The Chair of the Federal Elections Commission has now weighed in to say that, yes, doing what Donald Trump has suggested would be a crime.”–Mark

    Let me be 100% clear. Mrs. Weintraub didn’t exactly say what Mark claims she said. However, she did insert herself into the news with vague notions of the illegality of “donations of value” while avoiding the exploration of the application of those notions to what Trump described. Mueller addressed the issue of accepting info. He described it as not clear-cut in terms of illegality. Even Vox was careful to point out reasons to avoid making murky claims like Mark made.

    Frosted Flakes gives the updated version of this article three out of 5 pinocchio’s.

    >>>xx

  87. Frosted Flakes
    Posted June 15, 2019 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    I would not have thought I needed to say this.

  88. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    I wonder how the baynardites feel about the indictment of Jho Low and Pras Michel for providing Obama with 25 million bucks from Maylasia.

  89. Sad
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Nobody cares. If they are guilty they’ll get in trouble.

    We’re more interested in getting Nayor Pete elected.

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted June 16, 2019 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think those indictments were unsealed for no reason. If you collectively don’t care then that is evidence of extreme hypocrisy. You care about Trump saying he would accept information from another country and probably go to the FBI if there was something wrong with it but you don’t care about Obama getting millions in campaign funds from a Malaysian man.

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