Asked, “Do you consider white supremacy as a threat?,” Donald Trump responds, “I don’t really.”

On Friday, a 28 year old Australian white supremacist by the name of Brenton Harrison Tarrant, seen above flashing a “white power” hand sign in court yesterday, murdered 50 Muslim residents of Christchurch, New Zealand. The attack, about 17 minutes of which the killer broadcast on Facebook Live, began at Christchurch’s Al Noor Mosque, where several hundred people were engaged in prayer, and ended over 20 minutes later, at a nearby Islamic center, where he was taken into custody by authorities.

Much will be said over the coming days about Tarrant’s radicalization, which would appear, based on the 73-page manifesto he issued prior to the attack, and things he said in the video just before entering the mosque, to have taken place online. [He titled his manifesto “The Great Replacement”, in reference to a popular online conspiracy theory which claims that liberal elites (i.e. Jews) are coordinating the immigration of non-white people into predominantly white countries with the goal of achieving “white genocide”. He also gave a shout-out to influential YouTuber Felix “PewDiePie” Kjellberg, who, under the guise of irony, has brought countless racist and anti-Semitic memes to his millions of followers. Tarrant urged those watching his Facebook Live broadcast of the mass murder to “subscribe to PewDiePie”.] For the time being, though, I’d like to focus on the immediate response to this most recent white supremacist attack.

The response in New Zealand was swift. The conservative, Murdoch-owned Sky News Australia was taken off the air after broadcasting the killer’s video of the attack, and the following day Minister David Parker vowed that New Zealand would ban semi-automatic weapons, just as the Australians had banned them in ’96, after a gunman in Port Arthur had shot and killed 35 people. Furthermore, it was announced today that far right provocateur, and former Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos has been banned from Australia, where he was scheduled to conduct a speaking tour.

Here in America, though, the response was quite different. When asked whether he felt that white supremacy was a global threat, Donald Trump, who, it’w worth noting, the Christchurch killer had referred to as “a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose” in his manifesto, said that he did not… Here’s the video.

[Asked whether she agreed with Trump’s assessment that white nationalism is not a rising global threat, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern responded, “No“.]

But, really, what did we expect from our President, who, during the 2016 campaign called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” and once responded to a supporter at a town hall meeting who said, “We have a problem in this country, it’s called Muslims, (and) we know our current president is one,” by saying, “Right. We need this question!” [The Trump supporter then went on to say, “When can we get rid of ‘em?,” to which Trump responded, “We’re gonna be looking at a lot of different things. A lot of people are saying that.”]

I should add that Trump’s comment in response to the New Zealand mass murder about white supremacy not being a threat, was said within hours of his first veto, which he issued yesterday in response to Congress’s bipartisan condemnation of his racist, fake proclamation that we were facing a “national emergency” on our southern border from foreign invaders. [Trump, talking about our southern border, used the word “invasion” on Friday, just hours after the shooting in Christchurch, where the shooter used the same terminology.]

Clearly, regardless of what Donald Trump may say, white nationalist violence is on the rise globally, and we need to address it, just as we need to address other forms of terrorism. But, for what ever reason, our president refuses to acknowledge the threat. And I think it’s clear why that is. He knows that these are the people who support him the most fervently. That’s why, after the deadly “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, he noted that there were some “very fine people” among the Neo-Nazi’s marching. And it’s why he’s talking about there not being a threat right now. The truth is, however, there’s an enormous threat… Here, with some of the context, is an excerpt from today’s Guardian.

…There have been more than a dozen deadly white supremacist attacks across the globe in the last eight years. In Norway in 2011, 77 people were killed in a bomb attack and shooting that targeted a youth camp of the country’s Labor party. The shooter said he wanted to prevent an “invasion of Muslims”.

A shooter with anti-Muslim views killed six people during evening prayers at a Quebec City mosque in 2017. The gunman said he feared refugees would kill his family.

Later that year, in London’s Finsbury Park, a man shouting “I want to kill all Muslims” drove a van into worshippers outside a mosque, killing one and injuring twelve others.

In the US, violence by far-right attackers has surged since Trump took office. There has been a documented rise in anti-Muslim hate groups in the country in the last three years, and the FBI has reported a steady increase in reports of hate crimes. Last year, a shooter with far-right views killed 11 people at a Pittsburgh synagogue…

And here’s more from the New York Times.

…White supremacists and other far-right extremists have killed far more people since Sept. 11, 2001, than any other category of domestic extremist. The Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism has reported that 71 percent of the extremist-related fatalities in the United States between 2008 and 2017 were committed by members of the far right or white-supremacist movements. Islamic extremists were responsible for just 26 percent. Data compiled by the University of Maryland’s Global Terrorism Database shows that the number of terror-related incidents has more than tripled in the United States since 2013, and the number of those killed has quadrupled. In 2017, there were 65 incidents totaling 95 deaths. In a recent analysis of the data by the news site Quartz, roughly 60 percent of those incidents were driven by racist, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, antigovernment or other right-wing ideologies. Left-wing ideologies, like radical environmentalism, were responsible for 11 attacks. Muslim extremists committed just seven attacks.

These statistics belie the strident rhetoric around “foreign-born” terrorists that the Trump administration has used to drive its anti-immigration agenda. They also raise questions about the United States’ counterterrorism strategy, which for nearly two decades has been focused almost exclusively on American and foreign-born jihadists, overshadowing right-wing extremism as a legitimate national-security threat. According to a recent report by the nonpartisan Stimson Center, between 2002 and 2017, the United States spent $2.8 trillion — 15 percent of discretionary spending — on counterterrorism. Terrorist attacks by Muslim extremists killed 100 people in the United States during that time. Between 2008 and 2017, domestic extremists killed 387 in the United States, according to the 2018 Anti-Defamation League report.

“We’re actually seeing all the same phenomena of what was happening with groups like ISIS, same tactics, but no one talks about it because it’s far-right extremism,” says the national-security strategist P. W. Singer, a senior fellow at the New America think tank. During the first year of the Trump administration, Singer and a colleague met with a group of senior administration officials about building a counterterrorism strategy that encompassed a wider range of threats. “They only wanted to talk about Muslim extremism,” he says. But even before the Trump administration, he says, “we willingly turned the other way on white supremacy because there were real political costs to talking about white supremacy.”…

Oh, and it’s also worth noting that, shortly before this happened in New Zealand, Donald Trump suggested in an interview with Breitbart that his supporters may get “tough” against Democrats.

“You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. OK?”, Trump said in the interview. “I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump — I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.

And this is where things stand as of right now in America. The Republicans are fighting for an unnecessary and ineffective wall to placate the fact-resistant racists who now for them the base of their party, and, at the same time, we’re turning a bind eye to the very real, and very serious problems that do exist, like the ready availability of military-style assault weapons, the rampant spread of weaponized disinformation, and the growth of the white nationalist movement. And, if it’s not obvious to you already, we’re going to pay an enormous price for it.

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74 Comments

  1. Judd Legum by proxy
    Posted March 17, 2019 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    This could be a coincidence but one of Trump’s tweets this morning appears to contain a coded message of support to white nationalists.

    In defense of Jeanine Pirro, who said wearing a hijab was “antithetical” to the Constitution, Trump tweeted “be strong & prosper”

    The 1683 Battle of Vienna is extremely significant to white nationalists. It’s revered as a victory of Christians over the Ottoman Empire, which is viewed as a prelude to their current battle against Islam.

    The New Zealand shooter even wrote “Vienna” on one of his weapons

    There was a contemporaneous account of the Battle of Vienna.

    The first line ends: “Be strong and prosper in thy way on behalf of the Christian faith.”

    My guess is that Trump is not aware of this text but it is certainly something that Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon may be familiar with. Bannon has referenced Vienna in speeches.

    https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1107295902547537921

  2. Anonymous
    Posted March 17, 2019 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    He is a sick man.

  3. John Brown
    Posted March 17, 2019 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    You can hear those bikers for trump coming from literally a mile away. You just have to be ready…

    Bikers not for trump better park the Harley till this gets sorted out.

  4. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 17, 2019 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    What was he doing in Pakistan in October? North fucking Korea? How can you just believe this shit? Obvious ‘get Trump’ move.

    https://www.news18.com/news/world/from-pakistan-to-north-korea-gym-enthusiast-new-zealand-shooter-shared-pictures-of-his-world-tour-2068437.html

  5. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 17, 2019 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    “That’s why, after the deadly “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, he noted that there were some “very fine people” among the Neo-Nazi’s marching.”

    Wrong. Doesn’t it make you feel weak to lie? Like you have to do it try to stay in the game or you would be done?

    “You had people and i’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists. They should be condemned totally. You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. The press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group too.”

  6. Judd Legum by proxy
    Posted March 17, 2019 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Today, Trump retweeted:

    1. A Pizzagate conspiracy theorist

    2. A Qanon conspiracy theorist

    3. A conspiracy theorist who believes the New Zealand massacre was a plot to limit gun rights

    He’s elevating the most unhinged, deranged voices

    By tomorrow we’ll forget it even happened

  7. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 17, 2019 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Which is which? I am not as up on those things as Judd Legum I guess. President Trump is part of Q. After Q posts on eightchan the President tweets the same things. It is now down to ‘zero delta’ or simultaneous posts. Heavy duty backup for “conspiracy theorists” it’s true!

  8. Anonymous
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephaniesarkis/2019/03/17/nancy-pelosi-and-her-ultimate-insult-to-a-gaslighter/amp/

  9. wobblie
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    I have always thought you can tell just about everything you need to know about a person by the friends they have,
    The mail bomber was a Trump supporter
    The synagogue shooter was a Trump supporter
    The coast guard terrorist (wonder what is happening with that) is a Trump supporter
    The New Zealand terrorist is a Trump supporter

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Yeah, those are the President’s friends.

  11. Donald Trump weighs in
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    The Fake News Media is working overtime to blame me for the horrible attack in New Zealand. They will have to work very hard to prove that one. So Ridiculous!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1107637405010530305

  12. M
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    Mr. Trump, with all due respect, the killer referred to you as “a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose” in his manifesto. This connection between you and him is not an invention of the press. They are merely reporting on it.

  13. Meta
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Kellyanne Conway is encouraging people to read the manifesto.

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1107635149452296192

  14. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Unusual white supremacist to travel to Pakistan and North Korea. Couldn’t be a smear on Trump though. That would be INSANE to even consider. Intelligence agencies exist to tell people the truth.

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Not any kind of smear for sure. Sounds totally legit.

    “Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens,” Tarrant wrote in an answer to the question, “Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most?”

    “Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness,” he continued. “Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for me are too much, even for my tastes.”

  16. John Brown
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Steve King supports Agent Orange. And Nazis. And the white supremacists apocalyptic civil war fantasy. And he’s an elected official, not just some anonymous guy using some other guys blog to vent!

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/steve-king-civil-war-meme.html

  17. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    So if someone supports you then you take on their qualities. I see. Nice little smeary tool and so easy.

  18. wobblie
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    HW, thanks for pointing out Candace. No one ever said that Trumps friends were smart.

  19. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    You better not be shopping at the Co-op.

  20. Southern Poverty Law Center
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    The manifesto that the alleged New Zealand shooter posted is steeped in white supremacist propaganda and references to so-called “white genocide.”

    No, Kellyanne Conway — people shouldn’t “read it in its entirety.”

    New Zealand Terrorist Manifesto Influenced by Far-Right Online Ecosystem, Hatewatch Finds: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/03/15/new-zealand-terrorist-manifesto-influenced-far-right-online-ecosystem-hatewatch-finds

  21. Anonymous
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Conway just wants people to read it because it is the platform of the Trump administration. It represents all his core philosophies.

  22. Anonymous
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    I’m wondering what might happen if I shop at the co-op? Will I be handed a pamphlet?

  23. wobblie
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Which co-op do you suppose HW is talking about. A & F Wood Products in Howell, Michigan Electric Cooperatives, Ypsilanti Food Co-op, or maybe he means no more Land of Lake butter or perhaps he means one of these
    https://www.thenews.coop/122959/sector/usas-top-100-co-operatives-year-named-national-cooperative-bank/

  24. Anonymous
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    In any you better not go there, because he will be waiting for you.

  25. Kate Patrick by Proxi
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Kate Patrick
    Yesterday at 9:27 AM

    Tuesday, March 12th, The University of Michigan hosted conservative political pundit Ben Shapiro to speak at Rackham Auditorium, an event sponsored and organized by Young Americans for Freedom (YAF). Over 1,000 attendees lined up outside of the auditorium, many wearing MAGA hats and Trump shirts, some with shirts reading “Socialism is for F*ggots” and “Kill a Commie for your Mommy”. Attendees yelled “Trump 2020” and derogatory slurs at the group of protesters defending Trans rights outside of the auditorium, while Daily Wire host, Michael J. Knowles repeatedly harassed protestors and called trans women “confused men with tiny dicks.”

    More importantly, the event attracted a group of 13 Proud Boys to campus, who swarmed protestors to take photos in front of us while flashing white power signs before police sent them to the other side of the street where they stood for over an hour to intimidate us. They had no problem flashing the white power sign again when I asked for their photos, saying, “Dox me baby!”

    The Proud Boys are violent “Western chauvanists”, islamophobic and misogynistic neo-fascists. They are a designated hate group by the SPLC. Their founder, Gavin McInnes, openly advocates for violence. Here is one video with some examples of McInnes spewing his violent, transphobic, islamophobic hate speech while describing the Proud Boys: https://youtu.be/G95qjjQaNho

    Yesterday, there was an active shooter alert on the University of Michigan campus while the vigil for the victims of the ChristChurch mass shooting was happening right across the Diag. While it turned out to be a false alarm, I am still terrified. As a queer, trans AFAB person on this campus, I do not feel safe here. I fear for the safety of my Muslim and transgender peers.

    The University of Michigan and Young Americans for Freedom are complicit in facilitating white supremacist ideation and hate-speech. I call upon the University and YAF to condemn the presence of Proud Boys on campus and to assert the legitimacy and safety of Muslim, black and brown, queer and trans students. For a University that prides itself on “Diversity and Inclusion”, openly empowering hate-speech and attracting violent neo-fascists to campus is unacceptable.

    I am disappointed not only in the Univeristy, but also the lack of seriousness that student groups and leftists on campus have attributed to this event and the actions of YAF.

    Now is not the time for passivity or inaction out of fear or indifference. Now is not the time to capitulate to centrism and “hearing out both sides”. When your politics and beliefs involve the dehumanization of marginalized people, they are not worthy of the same consideration and respect as the demands of people who are fighting for their rights and their lives.

    Now is the time for vigilance, solidarity, and direct action. Now is the time to wholeheartedly denounce and deplatform racism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, and misogyny in all of its forms. Now is the time to take the dangerous, exclusionary, and marginalizing politics of right-wing conservatives seriously. Real lives are at stake.

    Ann Arbor is not the liberal “hippie-town” it used to be. Ben Shapiro was right when he said, “There is a market for conservatism at the University of Michigan.” This is a problem. I am all for diversity of thought, but when your thoughts are “Build the Wall!”, “Muslims are terrorists”, and “Trans people are mentally ill”, you are actively promoting terror and must be held accountable.

    Please share, tag, and repost.

  26. Kit
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    HW are you suggesting that the gunman in New Zealand wasn’t a white nationalist?

  27. Anonymous
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    What’s all of this about the Co-op? Please explain.

  28. CNN
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    New Zealand’s government has agreed to reform the country’s gun laws in the wake of last Friday’s massacre at two mosques, in which 50 people were killed, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed.

    Ardern said that the “worst act of terrorism on our shores” had exposed a range of weaknesses in New Zealand’s gun laws.

  29. Sad
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    HW is trying to make the Co-op into our version of Comet pizza.

    What’s really in those smoothies?

  30. Jean Henry
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Ann Arbor has never been a liberal hippie town.There used to be a lot of german conservatives here. They lived side by side with hippies. They actually grew thei city more than doubling it’s population after ww2 making room for the hippies. The hippies came in and moved into historically black neighborhoods and then took over the government and started to restrict growth. They made the town appealing to other liberals and made no effort to retain the displaced Black populations. In 1990 they were turning baptist churches into condo and shotgun shacks into McMansions. They call themselves liberal progressive and they will condemn all capitalism but will expend tremendous energy protecting single family home owner interests. And the housing costs keep rising. But it’s those greedy developers who are the problem. Outsiders. Wealthy students.
    And yes they get very worked up over overt white supremacy. Oh my they cry and cry and march.
    Meanwhile, they implement and defend white supremacist strategies that privilege them– namely the economic and racial segregation of our neighborhoods, housing, education, health care etc.

    Honestly, any white working class Trump supporter struggling to survive around here hears A2 and Ypsi liberals bitching about their fear of white supremacy and THEY can see through the inherent disconnect. So can many Black people, especially working class.

    I am not denying that violent White Supremacist groups create a threat; I think the threat created by systems of exclusion create a much broader but less sensationalist threat.

    Trump dog whistles and we bark. And meanwhile, the shittiest possible policies are being passed under our noses. Recently a Trump cabinet member said the greatest gift of Trump was his ability to distract all opposition.
    We don’t live in a safe world. The struggle, if it’s real, is never safe. Segregation is not the answer. And being against open white supremacy may be the lowest possible bar to ask of anyone. How much are we stretching ourselves when we condemn white supremacy. American racism is insidious more than open. We are looking in mostly the wrong places for the provblem.

    If we went about dismantling systemic racism and saw the great social benefits to all, then there would be no more threat from open white supremacists.

    It’s not just Trump that legitimizes them. It’s liberal progressive passivity that does too.

    PS A2 city council is about to vote down a bunch of affordable housing initiatives tonight.

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    You know what Co-op I am talking about. The one right in town that uses slave labor according to you, wobblie.

  32. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    “Kit
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Permalink
    HW are you suggesting that the gunman in New Zealand wasn’t a white nationalist?”

    A white nationalist who goes hanging around in Pakistan and North Korea? Candace Owens as their biggest influence? Do you think this adds up?

  33. Jean Henry
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    HW– Not sure of your angle visa vi the Ypsi food co-op. Please explain.

  34. Jean Henry
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    HW– I’m not sure if you know this, but, just like misogynists love to have women in their lives, especially if they are willingly complicit in their own subordination, so do white supremacists accept Black people in their lives so long as they are willing to say racism doesn;t exist except against whites– ie are complicit in their own subordination.

    You seem to have a cartoon idea of what a racist looks and sounds like. That explains a few things. You must not be able to recognize them in your midst.

  35. Jean Henry
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Anybody else read the shooters manifesto and think it sounded like HW?

    “Are you intolerant?
    ‘Sure. The last virtues of a dying nation are tolerance and apathy, and I want none of it.”

    PS a lot of the manifesto reads as sarcastic which makes it hard to give any of it any validity as a declaration of beliefs. His actions are testament enough to his bigotry. He shot people kneeling in prayer.

  36. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie said it is slave labor to use people who have to do community service but he won’t participate in a boycott. He probably shops there, that white male supremacist.

    It doesn’t matter how my thoughts seem to you. You lie every time you talk about me.

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Oh, yeah. I talk just like that. Stop with the toxic femininity, Jean.

  38. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    “HW– I’m not sure if you know this, but, just like misogynists love to have women in their lives, especially if they are willingly complicit in their own subordination, so do white supremacists accept Black people in their lives so long as they are willing to say racism doesn;t exist except against whites– ie are complicit in their own subordination.”

    Hahahaha. Give some examples.

  39. Jean Henry
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Clarence Thomas
    John James
    Ben Carson
    Paris Denard
    Diamond and Silk
    Harris Faulkner
    Kevin Jackson
    Ms Owens, etc etc

    Please note I did not list all famous Black Republicans or even all famous Black Trump supporters. I think that traditional conservativism could appeal to many Black citizens on several levels, just as it does to many Native Americans. (Small government could mean less oppression/interference. Also many are social conservatives)But the GOP fails to attract many Black supporters. The number has been somewhat constant. That’s because of racism in the party. Not in every member but in many members and in its policies.

    To support Trump, however, a Black person would either have to be super ambitious and willing to compromise all integrity for advancement or filled with resentment for other Black people. And internalized self-hatred allows one to be complicit like that in one’s own subordination. Nothing else.

  40. iRobert
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    I want to write my manifesto, but I don’t know how to structure it. Is there a free template available somewhere online? Can I get some help here please?

  41. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Those people say only anti-white racism exists?

  42. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    “To support Trump, however, a Black person would either have to be super ambitious and willing to compromise all integrity for advancement or filled with resentment for other Black people. And internalized self-hatred allows one to be complicit like that in one’s own subordination. Nothing else.”

    So an Uncle Tom. Why don’t you contact some black Trump supporters and tell them that? See what they say.

  43. Aruna
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think that hand sign is white supremacist. On some terrible meme stuff even black folks are doing it, maybe it started out that way but the rest of the internet has co-opted it as a dumb thing kids do.

  44. John Brown
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Prices in A2 are driven by the fact that it’s part of a global market. Poor local folks have to compete with rich carpet baggers coming here from New York and now China (and Pennsylvania). As a rural Michigan hayseed I was shocked how expensive it was already in the late 80s. You can tinker around the edges with city policy, by what we really need to do is destroy UMs global reputation as a top educational institution. That’ll fix it.

  45. Jean Henry
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    HW– I don’t have to tell them that. Plenty of other Black people handle that for me.

  46. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Oh, they handle it for you do they? Do you give them treats and pat them on the head? “Good Black people.”

  47. Jean Henry
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Nope. They have their own voices and don’t need me to speak for them. Nor would I speak for them where they have ample access. Amazing how you can turn respect for their agency into evidence of their lack thereof.

  48. wobblie
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    HW, yes I shop at the Ypsi Food Co-op. I find it to be a very convenient and friendly place to shop. Rather give my money to them than Kroger’s (I have a personal animus towards Kroger’s having been a vendor to them for many years, they pretty much treat their workers like slaves). I’ve not noticed that the Co-op even has a basement to run a pedophile ring out of. I do utilize many “public” services that rely upon “community service” prisoners.

    Coerced unpaid labor provided to private industry, what do you call it?
    How many sealed indictments are you waiting on now? I suspect they will be unsealed April 1st.

  49. John Brown
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    Chris Cantwell, the Crying Nazi from C-ville, explicitly calls for murdering 50 leftist leaders as being more effective than just gunning down Muslims or Jews. So yeah, we have a Nazi problem.

    https://twitter.com/AntiFashGordon/status/1107445288795557889?s=19

  50. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    “Jean Henry
    Posted March 18, 2019 at 10:23 pm | Permalink
    Nope. They have their own voices and don’t need me to speak for them. Nor would I speak for them where they have ample access. Amazing how you can turn respect for their agency into evidence of their lack thereof.”

    Show me the best Uncle Tom argument against black MAGA people that you can find then. And are you saying there is no access to this site for blacks or what?

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    “wobblie
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 6:42 am | Permalink
    HW, yes I shop at the Ypsi Food Co-op. I find it to be a very convenient and friendly place to shop. Rather give my money to them than Kroger’s (I have a personal animus towards Kroger’s having been a vendor to them for many years, they pretty much treat their workers like slaves). I’ve not noticed that the Co-op even has a basement to run a pedophile ring out of. I do utilize many “public” services that rely upon “community service” prisoners.
    Coerced unpaid labor provided to private industry, what do you call it?
    How many sealed indictments are you waiting on now? I suspect they will be unsealed April 1st.”

    So you would rather shop at a place where there is actual slave labor than one with simulated slave labor. M’kay. That’s neat how you throw in pedophile rings into it.

  52. wobblie
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    HW, glad you finally recognize that slavery still exist in this country. Small steps begin every journey. Glad you like the pedophile reference. I thought I was being funnier connecting April Fools Day to your sealed indictments.

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Very meaningful stuff there.

  54. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    You take advantage of slaves merely because it is convenient. Sounds like how slave owners probably felt back in the day.

  55. wobblie
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Yep, just trying to fit into our capitalist culture you know.

  56. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    I thought you enjoyed the convenience. What percent of GDP do you think is generated by community service slavery?

  57. iRobert
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    Are black people so repulsed by everything Mark Maynard that we can’t even get one to comment on this blog regularly? I mean, no offense, but I’d prefer to talk with actual black people rather than with a privileged white person who perports to speak for them.

    I’m so uncomfortable being surrounded with privileged white people that I have resorted to imagining diversity among the commenters here. But sadly, I know better.

    It’s nice of Mark to stay away for the most part. That helps.

  58. wobblie
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    At the end of 2013, roughly 6.9 million adults — 2.8 percent of the population — were under some kind of “correctional supervision,”according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). About 70 percent of these are on either parole or probation, with the remaining 2.3 million in local jails or state or federal prisons. “Community Service” sentences are a form of probation and failure to perform can result in incarceration. The “community service” sentence can be instead of incarceration, or in addition too. It can be as long as a prison sentence and is discretionary with the judge. Nearly 5 million folks performing compulsory labor times the number of hours performed. Since none of the labor is paid, it is not part of the GDP, but the economic benefit to those who get to use the unpaid compulsory labor is significant.

  59. iRobert
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Could we maybe develop a recruitment program so that we might enjoy some diversity here in the comment section? Let’s give Jean a break. We should probably be prepared to offer some considerable compensation.

  60. Jean Henry
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    iRobert– I agree and have said many times, that MM,com needs a larger representation of voices. But that’s unlikely to happen. So get on over to the Root or Black Twitter or just read Charles Blow. You have repeatedly invoked MLK to make your points re prescribing the best path to equity. I suggest you go on and search “white people referencing MLK” for a little dose of Black discourse.

    FAscinating that you dismiss what I say as not representative and pine for actual voices of color in discourse but can’t muster the energy to google and find some>

    Same for you HW. But here’s a little taste: https://www.theroot.com/black-trump-supporters-call-democrats-dressed-in-all-wh-1832407613

    “I wish I could say that Pierson was alone in her ridiculous thinking that a group of women from all kinds of racial backgrounds were similar to the klan but then that would be leaving out one of the conkiest conks to ever conk: the Rev. Darrell Scott aka Rev. BootLick.

    BootLick—who once “acted as a liaison between Trump and black pastors and served on his presidential transition team—also tweeted before the State of the Union” comparing the Democratic women in all white and the hate group that killed black men, women and children for the crime of being black.

    And because Pierson and Rev. BootLick will do anything for full white acceptance, the Post noted that right-wing figures couldn’t wait to pile on.”

    — and so it goes…

  61. Elena Herrada by Proxi
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Today in church, Fr. Norman said that he had not noted the beginning of this scripture as literally as he did in this reading. He is the pastor of Sacred Heart Catholic Church in Detroit and is 88 years old. When he said this i was reminded of how we constantly see the world with new eyes if we remain alive and dynamic.

    Fr. Norman talked about this scripture as it relates to NATIONS, Not to individuals. It matters what we do, but we are judged by The Son of Man as NATIONS.

    I am going to copy it here. I am not normally one to quote scripture, but this made me weep in church as we reflect upon the unprovoked attack on the sovreign nation of Venezuela, a raw grab at her oil and imposition of a lackey “interim president” by a rouge group of thieves.

    I am reminded of a sick man who killed Muslims as they worshipped and wrote that he was inspired by Donald Trump, whom no one is attempting to overthrow.

    I am reminded of a county treasurer who takes peoples’ only home and hoards dozens and doesn’t pay the taxes that caused Detroit residents to lose theirs. And they had only one.

    The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
    31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [a]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

    41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

    44 “Then they also will answer [b]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    So almost everyone in the system does community service. I didn’t know that.

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    I don’t know the Rev. Scott but that just sounds like one of your smears. Learn to separate opinion from fact. It sounds like he is decrying Democrats and KKK alike so how can you say he disbelieves in anti-black racism?

  64. iRobert
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Can I get a permalink set up which takes people to a giant sign saying “I’m kidding” also. That would be useful I think.

  65. iRobert
    Posted March 19, 2019 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Jean, I’m just joking around when I suggest everyone here would be happier without you. It’s a joke. We all got a taste of what this blog is like without you….tumbleweeds. Nobody knew what to say and didn’t have the energy to fight about anything. It was a sad scene. It was like everyone fell asleep at their keyboards.

  66. Posted March 20, 2019 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

  67. Jean Henry
    Posted March 21, 2019 at 3:34 am | Permalink

    IRobert— in order to make the humor defense, you have to be at least a little funny.
    If you are going to personally insult others or make light of movements for social justice at least be funny. If you can’t, it just makes you look like an ass.

  68. John Brown
    Posted March 21, 2019 at 5:49 am | Permalink

    I look forward to banning high capacity semi-autos here as well. But only if we have the political will to literally pry them from the cold dead hands of the hardened right wing gun nuts who will resist. And what about the millions or ARs that are now untraceable because of the private sale loophole? We’re going to have them surfacing for hundreds of years at this point.

  69. stupid hick
    Posted March 21, 2019 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    “Could we maybe develop a recruitment program so that we might enjoy some diversity here in the comment section? ”

    Good luck with that. It was once suggested by commenters that Mark desegregate his well-known seasonal Krampus parties. Instead he abruptly stopped holding them. It may be a pattern with Mark. I always wondered if racial animus is what caused Mark to shut down Shadow Art Fair.

  70. Anonymous
    Posted March 21, 2019 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/10/62-knowing-whats-best-for-poor-people/

  71. Ken
    Posted May 21, 2019 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    First white supremacy is needed because our race is threatened were 15 percent of the worlds population and weve allowed lower iq animals to overun this country thats why its falling apart ….the mosque shooter was knee deep in leftist beliefs he said the chinese communist system is the kind he believes is good ….anyone saying white supremacists did that shooting is lying …theres a war coming in this country its time whites took the country back were the only ones that have done anything of value in this country

  72. Posted May 21, 2019 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Ken, for being so honest and straightforward. People on this site usually attempt to obscure their racism. This is refreshing.Vile and disgusting, yes, but also refreshing.

  73. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 21, 2019 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    You and several of your fans have actually been fairly open about your racist views, Bark Baynard.

  74. John Brown
    Posted May 21, 2019 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Ken, move to Russia you POS.

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