Trump says he wants the story of Cesar Sayoc to “disappear rapidly.” We cannot allow that to happen.

Robert Bowers should take our mind of Cesar Sayoc. Amirite?

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/27/here-is-a-list-of-far-right-attackers-trump-inspired-cesar-sayoc-wasnt-the-first-and-wont-be-the-last/

These people are absolutely insane.

https://twitter.com/deplorablechoir/status/1055904998482210817?s=21

Bowers was a qanon guy like you HW. You’re in some despicable company. He only hated Agent Orange for not being more aggressively fascist. Hardly an exoneration of GOP for weaponizing hateful morons.

So you are aligned with Bowers against Q and the President. Nice.

So just punt? I just got a 99 yard return on you. You are ridiculous.

If you can’t accept the reality of the many threats to the USA that come with illegal entry then that’s okay. You aren’t ready to deal with reality yet so you have to try to make me look I am the one in your position. You are so simple. You can’t even admit to yourself “gee, the timing of all this shit is kinda suspicious…could it be…[what HW said?]”

Reflection? Ok. Let’s reflect together. Does Trump have anti-Semitic messaging despite having Jewish family members? Offer examples. Is Trump’s policy and messaging considered anti Israel? Offer examples. Trump is a critic of MSM. We all know this to be true. This isn’t a trick question: Do you think news organizations like CNN are doing a good job of giving us information in a truthful way, sad? Is Trump right or wrong to be critical of news organizations like CNN?

The inability to categorize in an honest way is indicative of a pretty big problem.

Why try to hide illegal activity associated with illegal immigrants? Drugs and human trafficking and terrorism coming through our borders isn’t real?

Sad,

I have honored your request that I take a “vacation” twice now. Both times I gave myself a self imposed ban of 2 weeks. Are you asking me to take another vacation because I asked you to answer a couple of basic questions? I have noticed people around here hate (!) to answers questions. Are you one of those people, who have placed themselves, on a permanent vacation from answering questions?

How is it demonization to say the truth? There are in fact rapists, human traffickers, murderers, terrorists and drug smugglers coming from South of the border. Is that too much in opposition to your “narrative” for you to even think about?

So equal opportunity for illegal immigrant criminals then. US citizens do it so non-US citizens should be able to do it too.

As I said before, I don’t think it’s right Trump to label the press “ enemies of the people” even if he doesn’t like CNN and even is CNN is slanted in their coverage.

I don’t think Trump is anti-Semitic per se. But when he goes on about George Soros and invading immigrants he others people and that might feed into some nut jobs actions, or not. It’s hard to prove causality but I can’t help but wonder about the correlation.

He’s just a despicable person. You like him, fine. I really worried about a week from a Tuesday but we’ll see.

HW, i’m just sure there’s lot of good people in that caravan, you can understand that, can’t you?

HW,
How about an over under on the caravan? IMO, the numbers that arrive via the caravan will be so low as to not matter. Lets say 1000? Everyone else will drop out once they get to central mexico (too far south, too hot, too far north, too dangerous, mexico city, juuust right!). 20? I only mean if they reach the US border, if Trump turns them around and its more than 1000, you win. I just think its time that you start putting some money behind some of your theories. We can do cash app or something that doesn’t require a name. Just let me know in the comments and we can keep track

Every time we prove you wrong and you just come back and spewthis dribble.

The things about derps is it takes one to know one.

I know you are but what am I?

I don’t care if Soros is Jewish. I don’t even care how Soros spends his money. It is his money and he can fund whatever causes he wants. However, I also don’t object to knowing where activist groups get their funding. Do you object to knowing who the big donors are to activist groups? You do know that Trump correctly identified a financial connection between the elevator screamer and Soros right. It is a non-controversial fact that Soros is one of the funding sources of her activist organization. Again, I don’t care. However, isn’t it a bit of a stretch on your part, to claim Trump, who pointed out a fact about one of his political opponents, is the same as feeding into a conspiracy type fantasy that “Jews seek world domination”? I mean, we are not, within the context of this discussion debating whether or not the “protocols of the elders of Zion” were or were not used to spread anti-semitism, because they were obviously, and it is not debatable.

Trump is anti-Soros and Soros is a Jew. Is that all you have for the purposes of this discussion? Because Sad and I are trying to find examples of Trump’s antisemitism…. Your example, I have to say, Wobblie, requires quite the leap of logic. I would even say bridging the gap required some magical thinking on your part. Do you have anything? I am open to examples of Trump’s antisemitism…

I don’t think I’ve proved anything HW. You’ve proved what your average Trump supporter is like and I’m eternally grateful. And, still, amused.

FF however really freaks me out.

You JUST said “Every time we prove you wrong..” Now you say you haven’t done that. Why don’t you people even know what you say from minute to minute? I smoked your boy AGAIN but to you somehow the opposite is true…but you didn’t say that…but…you did…

I’m in a good mood. I was so relieved to find out the anti-Democrat bomber wasn’t HW.

By the way, EOS is still king when it comes to refusing to answer questions. None of you can even come close to unseating him.

Radical comes from from the Latin meaning roughly ‘at the root.’

There really is no impulse more mundane (as in normal) than tribalism and nationalism. Solving humanitarian problems requires deep examination of root causes. Systemic correction is deep work without the use of force. And there’s really nothing more human/banal than the use of blunt force. It’s also uncontrollable in impact.

Are we playing the game of “only scripture is true” and “not in the scripture is false”? What are the rules of discourse? Is “all scripture is true” in effect? What about “historical findings outside of scripture”? What about “scripture is figurative, not literal” or “scripture is religious propaganda”?

immigrate – come to live permanently in a foreign country.

sojourner – a person who resides temporarily in a place.

So he wasn’t broke, or homeless, or an illegal immigrant. The truth is nothing like Jean’s propaganda. But if you are Biblically illiterate you might be fooled.

EOS, since you are stickler for the truth, explain this.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/28/politics/donald-trump-nyse-false-claim/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1zwItDbmEu3E4xQC0Rm4hssQeJrssz3qfrHLqDvtM1SwHk1TaMCG9yVPw

How do you rationalize your support for a man who when ever he opens his mouth he lies. Your man/God Jesus had the greatest disdain for the hypocrite.

JH – You really shouldn’t talk about a Bible that you clearly don’t understand.

He didn’t immigrate – he visited. It was not illegal – Egypt was a part of the Roman Empire, it was easy and legal for Joseph and Mary to travel there. However, Egypt was outside of Herod’s rule, so Jesus would be safe from Herod’s death squad. At the time, Egypt was an imperial province ruled by the Roman Emperor himself, Augustus.

Righteous anger is not sin. He never lusted. He was tempted but did not sin. https://biblehub.com/hebrews/4-15.htm

He remained at the temple to do his Father’s business, not to disobey his parents.

The Roman law did not pertain to activities inside the temple.

Matt 2:16

In which version does it say that Jesus was broke and homeless illegal immigrant seeking refuge from religious bias?

New International Version
When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi.

New Living Translation
Herod was furious when he realized that the wise men had outwitted him. He sent soldiers to kill all the boys in and around Bethlehem who were two years old and under, based on the wise men’s report of the star’s first appearance.

English Standard Version
Then Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, became furious, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time that he had ascertained from the wise men.

Berean Study Bible
When Herod saw that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was filled with rage. Sending orders, he put to death all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, according to the time he had learned from the Magi.

Berean Literal Bible
Then Herod, having seen that he had been outwitted by the Magi, was intensely enraged. And having sent forth, he put to death all the boys in Bethlehem and in all its vicinity from two years old and under, according to the time he had ascertained from the Magi.

New American Standard Bible
Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, and sent and slew all the male children who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi.

King James Bible
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

Christian Standard Bible
Then Herod, when he realized that he had been outwitted by the wise men, flew into a rage. He gave orders to massacre all the boys in and around Bethlehem who were two years old and under, in keeping with the time he had learned from the wise men.

Contemporary English Version
When Herod found out that the wise men from the east had tricked him, he was very angry. He gave orders for his men to kill all the boys who lived in or near Bethlehem and were two years old and younger. This was based on what he had learned from the wise men.

Good News Translation
When Herod realized that the visitors from the East had tricked him, he was furious. He gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its neighborhood who were two years old and younger–this was done in accordance with what he had learned from the visitors about the time when the star had appeared.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then Herod, when he saw that he had been outwitted by the wise men, flew into a rage. He gave orders to massacre all the male children in and around Bethlehem who were two years old and under, in keeping with the time he had learned from the wise men.

International Standard Version
Herod flew into a rage when he learned that he had been tricked by the wise men, so he ordered the execution of all the male children in Bethlehem and all its neighboring regions, who were two years old and younger, according to the time that he had determined from the wise men.

NET Bible
When Herod saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, he became enraged. He sent men to kill all the children in Bethlehem and throughout the surrounding region from the age of two and under, according to the time he had learned from the wise men.

New Heart English Bible
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men, was exceedingly angry, and sent out, and killed all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all the surrounding countryside, from two years old and under, according to the exact time which he had learned from the wise men.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And Herodus, when he saw that he was mocked by The Magi, was greatly enraged, and he sent and killed all the boys of Bethlehem and of all of its borders, from two years old and under, according to the time he had searched out from the Magi.

GOD’S WORD® Translation
When Herod saw that the wise men had tricked him, he became furious. He sent soldiers to kill all the boys two years old and younger in or near Bethlehem. This matched the exact time he had learned from the wise men.

New American Standard 1977
Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, and sent and slew all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its environs, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had ascertained from the magi.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Then Herod, seeing that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth and sent forth and killed all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the borders thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had understood of the wise men.

King James 2000 Bible
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men, was exceedingly angry, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the region thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

American King James Version
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

American Standard Version
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the Wise-men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the male children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the borders thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had exactly learned of the Wise-men.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Then Herod perceiving that he was deluded by the wise men, was exceeding angry; and sending killed all the men children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the borders thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

Darby Bible Translation
Then Herod, seeing that he had been mocked by the magi, was greatly enraged; and sent and slew all the boys which [were] in Bethlehem, and in all its borders, from two years and under, according to the time which he had accurately inquired from the magi.

English Revised Version
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the male children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the borders thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had carefully learned of the wise men.

Webster’s Bible Translation
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all its borders, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

Weymouth New Testament
Then Herod, finding that the Magi had trifled with him, was furious, and sent and massacred all the boys under two years of age, in Bethlehem and all its neighbourhood, according to the date he had so carefully ascertained from the Magi.

World English Bible
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men, was exceedingly angry, and sent out, and killed all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all the surrounding countryside, from two years old and under, according to the exact time which he had learned from the wise men.

Young’s Literal Translation
Then Herod, having seen that he was deceived by the mages, was very wroth, and having sent forth, he slew all the male children in Beth-Lehem, and in all its borders, from two years and under, according to the time that he inquired exactly from the mages.

Wobblie,

There is none righteous – no not one. Rom 3:10

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

“Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7b

Trump is a flawed human, just like every one of us.

For the record, my question is rhetorical. I know you have a policy against answering questions, EOS.

I’m referring to Jean, or course.

This is also a person who feel so she has a better grasp of racial issues than Martin Luther’s King did.

IRobert when dido say children should have free access pornography? There are laws against that. What I said is that children are not harmed by the presence of stri joints or sex shops in their city. I didn’t suggest they should be patrons. That’s absurd. Kids area by all that interested in sex beyond interest in it as something naughty and shameful. There are many cultures with more open and positive sexual morays which have lower eyes of sexual violence, teen pregnancy etc.

EOS— one doesn’t move to another country for three years as a visitor. If we had looser border rules for laborers as we had in the past’, then more undocumented workers would return home’. Even now many do.

Not sure why you felt a need to produce every single translation of that single verse I mentioned. What the hell is that supposed to prove? Your google skill? Jesus fled Herods kingdom and sought refuge in Egypt until it was safe to return. That’s a refugee. And an undocumented one as far as Herod was concerned. ‘Doing his fathers work’ is not an excuse for violence. I’m sure the many violent people believe they are doing God’s work— like the people who bomb abortion clinics.

@ anominal,

No, all the culture required was an invite from a resident. However, if a large group of people approached their borders, they would be treated as invaders and met with force.

@jean,
You said illegal immigrant, which is not the least bit true nor backed up by your scripture reference. It was a temporary stay and they returned HOME. There’s no parallel to anything happening today. It’s not OK to distort the truth.

EOS your response is Trump is a flawed human being—so lets be sure to put him in charge–evil drives your decision making. News today is your man is going to revoke birthright citizenship. Thought we were a nation of laws. Don’t need no stinking constitution. What I say goes. Only who he wants to be a citizen will get citizenship. Hypocrisy rules.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/30/trump-plans-to-terminate-birthright-citizenship.html

Wrong again EOS. I went to DC on a number of occasions to protest Clinton policies. But you are nothing but a tribalist. You support sinking our country into a maelstrom of hate. Give the leader the right to decide who is a citizen is quintessential fascist. Hey quick look over there more brown people coming to take —whatever.

EOS, what do you think? This guy is a “flawed” human. Should he only get 15 years?

“Pointing to Trump’s rhetoric, attorneys for Kansas militiaman convicted of mosque bomb plot ask for a more lenient sentence

Attorneys representing a Kansas man convicted of a 2016 plot to massacre Somali Muslim refugees by bombing a mosque and apartment complex in Garden City, Kan., have asked a federal judge to consider a more lenient sentence, arguing that President Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric should be taken into account as the “backdrop” for the case.

Patrick Eugene Stein faces life in prison for conspiring with two other men to carry out the attack, which was supposed to take place on the day after the 2016 presidential election. On Monday, his attorneys filed a memo in U.S. District Court in the District of Kansas, requesting that Stein receive a sentence of no more than 15 years. They note that Stein was an “early and avid supporter” of Trump, and argue that the climate in the months leading up to the 2016 election should be taken in account when evaluating the comments prosecutors used to build their case.

During the trial in the spring, prosecutors played back recordings in which Stein described Muslim immigrants as “cockroaches” that needed to be exterminated, and talked about killing Muslims with weapons dipped in pigs’ blood. Two months before the conversation took place, The Washington Post’s Abigail Hauslohner noted, Trump had referenced a questionable tale about Gen. John J. Pershing killing Muslims with bullets dipped in pigs’ blood.

“The court cannot ignore the circumstances of one of the most rhetorically mold-breaking, violent, awful, hateful and contentious presidential elections in modern history, driven in large measure by the rhetorical China shop bull who is now our president,” James Pratt and Michael Shultz, Stein’s defense attorneys, wrote in their sentencing memo, as HuffPost first reported.”

PS too bad the US is less inviting to immigrants now than ancient Egypt was. Hell we’re about to deny citizenship to people born here based on what criteria? Can’t wait to find out…

Just looking to see how elastic your believes are. No mercy for the deranged following through on the incitements of the President. But give the man who has normalized hate your vote because he is just “flawed”.

Have to admit – Satan made me laugh this morning.

Defending the country against refugees. Your mental gymnastics are worthy of the thought Olympics. You would be pathetic if you were not enabling a pathological liar and psychotic narcissist.

Ps to all concerned with Totalitarian Creep and the ‘immigration’ crackdown, this article is, unfortunately, coming to fruition as we speak. Trump is trying to play to racism to bolster his base and get them to the polls. This is just the latest example, but it’s fucking criminal. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/23/opinion/trump-birthright-citizenship-mccarthy.html

It doesn’t practically matter whether you accept it or not. If you act in a manner that makes me think you are a jerk, then it doesn’t matter that you don’t think that you’re a jerk. I’ll treat you like a jerk. If I’m the only one doing it, then it probably is me. If there are a lot of people doing it, then it’s probably you.

This habit of offering to support refugees is not new to the area. My parents sponsored 43 Southeast Asian refugees from 1972 until 1985. Most shared our home for a period of time. I benefitted from growing up in their company. It broadened my life. I’ve also had the opportunity to witness their families’ remarkable progress and contribution to our country. Someday maybe I’ll make a sponsored family tree for my parents. It’s a truly amazing thing to see what these new citizens and their children have brought to the table. Taking in refugees is a longstanding tradition in my home area. One does not have to be an asshole to be conservative or Christian. I’m bothered that EOS represents the Christian conservative perspective here. It plays to common liberal bias; She a poor example of living from faith.

“EOS
Posted October 30, 2018 at 9:14 am | Permalink
@ Jean,
The comment was to wobblie. It’s not all about you. You project a lot. And I don’t accept your projection of hate.”

–Fine example of a mind polluted by hate there, EOS

I was really shocked to see that a dedicated Trump supporter turned out to be a deranged lunatic. The Trump supporters who comment on this blog seem so mentally stable and intelligent. This one bad apple is so out of character compared to the ones we know here.

Castro came to power in 1959. The refugees from Cuba at that point were welcomed as anti-communist. Some of them proved to be viscous murdering terrorist. But I don’t think those are the Cubans you are remembering. Rather you are probably thinking of the Cuban boat people, who were primarily economic refugees in the mid 1970’s on. Most of those economic refugees were no more criminal than the political refugees of the 1960’s. The economic refugees were of course fleeing a country under a US led economic siege. Since we have normalized relations with Cuba the economic refugee’s have stopped.

Just like today, the Right wing in this country demonized brown Latin refugees. The primarily white anti-Castro Cubans of the 60’s are responsible for far more death and destruction than the brown Cuban refugees of a decade later.

My memory of the scare campaigns that are the stock and trade of Republicans is quit clear. That maybe why many of us on the left under estimated the evil that is Trump. He is was just more open about his bigotry, but the policies of the Republicans has hardly changed. Now of course they want to start stripping people of citizenship. Who is the Divider and Chief?

35,000 is a lot of criminals.

US Hopes to Return 35,000 Criminals to Cuba
https://havanatimes.org/?p=112729

Criminals ‘in exodus from Cuba’: US fears Castro emptying his jails – into Florida
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/criminals-in-exodus-from-cuba-us-fears-castro-emptying-his-jails-into-florida-1386288.html

Trump Was Right: Castro Did Send Criminals to U.S.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/philip-terzian/trump-was-right-castro-did-send-criminals-to-us

This happened just days after a failed assassination attempt against George Soros.

REPORTER: Do think somebody is funding the caravan?

TRUMP: “I wouldn’t be surprised, yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised.”

REPORTER: George Soros?

TRUMP: “I don’t know who, but I wouldn’t be surprised. A lot of people say yes.”

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1057742231937912833

He was a perfect patsy, with a paper trail. Because no way this has anything to do with Deutsche Bank; yeah right.