The insane Trump “fan fiction” of QAnon goes mainstream

If for nothing else, yesterday’s Trump rally in Tampa was noteworthy for it’s insanity. Not only did Trump fans surround CNN’s Jim Acosta, screaming “you’re a liar” and “traitor”, but, for the first time ever, it would seem, there was a significant contingent from the far right, conspiratorial fringe in the audience, brandishing their “We Are Q” merchandise, and thereby forcing the absolute insanity of QAnon into the mainstream.

Even though it’s something that’s been discussed here in the comments section quite bit, I’ve refrained from dedicating a post to the subject as it’s just so damned crazy. But, now that the New York Time, the Washington Post, and every other mainstream news source is scrambling to make sense of it, I thought that I’d better spend a little time on it, even though doing so makes me feel sick to my stomach… I don’t want to believe that there’s significant percentage of my fellow American citizens out there who believe, among other things, that the Mueller investigation is really targeting Hillary Clinton, and that Donald Trump was recruited to run for President by the military in order to keep international financiers (Jews) from taking over the country, but I don’t suppose there’s any hiding from it now.

Qanon, for those of you who haven’t heard of it before, is essentially the rat king of conspiracy theories, a diseased, multi-headed rodent monster, held together by shit. As NBC’s Ben Collin’s explains, it’s “like Pizzagate on steroids, but it’s really both emotionally and socioeconomically Pizzagate on bath salts.” It’s like fan faction for more delusional members of the far right, where every crazy idea they can possibly imagine can find a home. It’s a framework for making sense of an increasingly confusing world that allows for Tom Hanks being a pedophile, Hillary Clinton drinking the blood of babies, and JFK Jr. not only being alive, but directing the patriotic assault against the so-called “deep state.”

Here, to give you a sense of what we’re talking about here, is a bit of video from NBC News. [A longer version can be found at Mediate.]

And here’s a little something from today’s New York Times:

Those watching President Trump’s rally in Tampa on Tuesday couldn’t help but be exposed to a fringe movement that discusses several loosely connected and vaguely defined — and baseless — conspiracy theories.

In one shot on Fox News, the president was partially obscured by a sign in the crowd reading “We Are Q.” In another shot during the president’s speech, a sign promoting the debunked Seth Rich conspiracy theory, with the hashtag #Qanon, came into focus in the center of the screen. Some attendees wore T-shirts with a blocky Q. Others held up signs with the letter.

They were all self-described “followers of Q,” an anonymous person or group of people who claim to be privy to government secrets. That supposedly classified information has been revealed on the 4chan and 8chan message boards and spread around mainstream internet platforms like YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. Q has attracted people — the exact number is hard to know — eager to consume his “bread crumbs,” or new details in a sprawling web of conspiracy theories.

…Ben Decker, a research fellow at the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard, described followers of the QAnon narrative as “an interactive conspiracy community”…

The Daily Beast:

…It’s there, starting in October 2017, that an anonymous poster dubbed “Q” began leaving cryptic clues that Trump supporters used to construct an alternate interpretation of current events where Trump is constantly battling evil forces.

For QAnon believers, special counsel Robert Mueller isn’t really investigating the Trump campaign—he’s actually working with Trump to take down a cabal of deep-state plotters and pedophiles. Soon, QAnon fans believe, Trump will team up with the military to throw top Democrats like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama into Guantanamo Bay.

But what QAnon believers actually believe in constantly changing. After taking advantage of the murder of DNC staffer Seth Rich and promoting dangerous ideas like Pizzagate, QAnon supporters have found a new tragedy to exploit: the death of John F. Kennedy Jr., son of the late president.

Until July, QAnon supporters believed that “Q,” the anonymous online forum poster whose cryptic clues make up the conspiracy theory, was a high-ranking Trump administration official, or maybe even Trump himself. But now, a good portion of QAnon believers have become convinced that Q is none other than JFK Jr, even though he died in a plane crash nearly 20 years ago…

The Washington Post:

The prominence of the “Q” symbol turned parts of the audience into a tableau of delusion and paranoia — and offered evidence that QAnon, an outgrowth of the #Pizzagate conspiracy theory that led a gunman to open fire in a D.C. restaurant last year, has leaped from Internet message boards to the president’s “Make America Great Again” tour through America.

…But viewing their message boards, it’s clear that QAnon crosses a new frontier. In the black hole of conspiracy in which “Q” has plunged its followers, Trump only feigned collusion to create a pretense for the hiring of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who is actually working as a “white hat,” or hero, to expose the Democrats. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and George Soros are planning a coup — and traffic children in their spare time. J.P. Morgan, the American financier, sank the Titanic.

…In the world in which QAnon believers live, Trump’s detractors, such as Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin, wear ankle monitors that track their whereabouts. Press reports are dismissed as “Operation Mockingbird,” the name given to the alleged midcentury infiltration of the American media by the CIA. The Illuminati looms large in QAnon, as do the Rothschilds, a wealthy Jewish family vilified by the conspiracy theorists as the leaders of a satanic cult. Among the world leaders wise to satanic influences, the theory holds, is Russian President Vladimir Putin.

QAnon flirts with eschatology, fascist philosophy and the filmmaking of Francis Ford Coppola. Adherents believe a “Great Awakening” will precede the final storm foretold by Trump. Once they make sense of the information drip-fed to them by “Q,” they will usher in a Christian revival presaging total victory.

The implication is that resolving the clues left by “Q” would not just explain Trump’s planned countercoup. It would also explain the whole universe…

So, no, the craziest thing in Tampa yesterday wasn’t Donald Trump talking about how people need photo IDs to buy groceries in the United States. Not by a long shot…

This is what happens when madness goes unchecked… when Donald Trump goes on InfoWars with Alex Jones, who calls the child victims of Sandy Hook “crisis actors”… when Roseanne Barr, a Qanon devotee, gets a network television show… when the head of the FCC is making dancing videos with Pizzagate proponents… when we allow the administration to take us down the “alternative facts” rabbit hole… when we give airtime to race-baiters to discuss “birtherism“… when we put science aside in the discussion of global climate change… when we allow our President to shout down facts he doesn’t like as “fake news”… when social media channels refuse to step in and do something.

I don’t know what the solution is, but we need to do something, and we need to do something now, before irreparable harm is done to the fabric of our civil society, assuming, of course, we haven’t already passed the point of no return.

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113 Comments

  1. Eel
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    I thought QAnon was bullshit until I heard that JFK Jr. was behind it. Now I’m trying to keep an open mind about it. He seems pretty solid.

  2. Eel
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    The “”guy sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds” that Trump likes to talk about really does exist. He didn’t hack the election, though. He’s behind QAnon.

  3. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    This is a typical response. Call it “all” a conspiracy. Link what is true to a large amount of extraneous crap that can be easily refuted and then throw everything out. But, if you don’t comprehend that the Federal Reserve is designed to profit a very few number of International bankers then you can’t be helped.

    The Federal Reserve is not even a part of our government. After the appointment of a director, the government has no oversight. And all of it (the Fed) is unconstitutional. They call it the “Federal Reserve” to make it sound as if it is a part of our government. It’s all smoke and mirrors to mislead the gullible.

  4. Matt Roush
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Increasingly I fear that point of no return has been passed. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if there is an actual civil war between Trump supporters and the reality-based community.

  5. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    It’s not the Trump supporters who are denying reality. Take a good look in the mirror.

  6. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Q Anon is now # 4 on google trends. How long till it is #1? Even more Q signs and shirts at the televised rally tonight do you think?

  7. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    He sure seems to have no problem with it.

    http://qanonproofs.com/cameras-catch-trump-pointing-at-supporter-with-q-shirt/

  8. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    That sick feeling is just a lil preview of what is coming for you. I told you a long time ago now about Q. Now it’s getting big, huh? Proof I am a dangerous man as Jean Henry likes to say. Dangerous to the system you lie every day to protect. I know you think everything you believe is true so maybe you aren’t lying on purpose. You are just completely caught up in a lie so much bigger than you can imagine. It’s going to be okay I promise. Soon everyone will have a very different perspective on what Q is revealing.

    FISA is indeed the start. Certainly it is no nothingburger like people were chirping about here. FISA “brings down the house.”

    Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: c1bb83 No.2405745
    Aug 1 2018 23:36:07 (EST)
    FISA
    FISA
    FISA
    [20]
    Public disclosure.
    Impossible to defend.
    ILLEGAL.
    Re: MSM
    “Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself.”
    Q

  9. Matt Roush
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Congratulations, Mark! You’ve attracted some Qanon nutters! How’d that Pizzagate thing work out for you, fellas?

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    You think Pizzagate was debunked?

  11. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    EOS, you clearly have less of an idea of the purpose of the Federal Reserve than most people. It is true that it isn’t part of the government other than it was created by Congress and its directors are appointed by the President. And I get it that some of its activities, particularly the methods by which it controls interest rates, are pretty complex and hard to really understand. Still. it isn’t something nearly as shady as what people seem to think. It is a bank’s bank. Its purpose is to keep the money supply stable and also to help keep banks stable by ensuring they have adequate reserves. I think they have been doing a pretty good job with this in the 100 years or so that they have been in operation.

    I really dont think you are in a position to call anyone else gullible here, EOS since you seem to have started to believe some weird stuff simply because the fed isn’t part of the executive branch. But if that is really what worries you, your folks are in power. All it would take is an act of congress to bring it under more federal oversight if that is what you feel is needed.

  12. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Pizzagate was completely debunked.

  13. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Okay, Know-nothing Lynne. How do you figure?

  14. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Anyways, one of the problems with Freedom of Speech is that legally, people can talk whatever nonsense they want. I try to remember that one of the benefits of allowing people that freedom is that it keeps it public. So reasonable people can hear it and use their speech to call bullshit. If a fringe idea goes mainstream, it sucks and I have seen it happen but even when that happens, there is always the opportunity for reasonable people to speak up.

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Did you ever look at Jimmy Comet’s instagram? Nope, just like all the people who claim it is debunked you don’t even know what it is about. You read a lot of things saying it is debunked because “there isn’t even a basement!” That’s a red herring. It’s about the odd pictures and messages posted by certain people especially James Alefantis who owns the shop.

  16. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    HW, You mean the conspiracy that Clinton was running a sex ring in the basement of a pizza place that doesn’t even have a basement? The one where several morons believed that shit and called the DC police department enough that they actually went to investigate? There is nothing happening there.

    What is happening is some people hate the Clintons so much that they will believe ANYTHING even without any evidence at all. That would be you, HW. You have no evidence. Just a belief. And that is the thing about beliefs. They don’t require facts or evidence. I don’t believe in God, Unicorns, Pegasuses, Centaurs, Fairies, or Leprechaun but I can’t prove that they don’t exist somewhere in the universe. Similarly, I can’t prove that the Clinton’s or the Trumps or anyone really isn’t operating some evil sex ring but am content to accept things as debunked if a reasonable search for evidence has been undertaken and has failed to turn up anything.

  17. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    I don’t think I saw any evidence Clinton was running a ring. Many of the people of interest are associated with Hillary Clinton though: Alefantis, Podestas, Silsby, others.

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    You think you have done a reasonable search? Problem with people like you is you bend so easily to media influence you have no ability to analyze information on your own. You never even looked at the pics that so many found disturbing yet you think you know enough because you read some things that say it’s debunked.

  19. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Lynne,

    The purpose of the Fed is to generate a perpetual stream of interest to International bankers. Why do the American people pay a significant portion of their tax dollars towards interest on a “debt” when Congress has the authority to print money. And every dime that we supposedly owe to the Federal Reserve is credited as an asset to the Fed and they can loan 9 times that value to other entities, and each subsequent loan is also determined to be an “asset” to the Fed. The more they loan out, the greater their assets grow, and the more loans they can make. The Fed does not want any country to pay off their debt, merely to continue to make the interest payments. For the same reasons it is not a good idea to max out your credit cards and make the minimum payment each month, it is not wise for our country to be so indebted to the Fed to the Fed that we can’t reduce the debt.

    I doubt you will be able to comprehend what I wrote. But I will say that the only good choice is to end the Fed and refuse to pay another dime of interest on our own money. I’m not in power and I never will be nor would I ever desire to be.

  20. Demetrius
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    I recently read the book “Fantasyland,” by Kurt Anderson. In it, he describes how America, has always been a culture in which many people have felt particularly free to reject whatever happens to be the predominant reality in favor of adhering to and promoting all manner of “alternative” worldviews. Beginning with the Puritans who founded the early colonies, the U.S. has typically been home to two completely different, yet oddly complementary, tendencies – at once a deeply traditional, conformist nation; but also one that has witnessed wave after wave of “unorthodox” movements – doomsday prophets, Christian revivalists, utopian visionaries, religious cult leaders, patent medicine hucksters, conspiracy theorists of all sorts .. not to mention the “beats,” hippies, believers in UFOs, Bigfoot, etc.

    Anderson also suggests that many particularly American institutions – Hollywood, theme parks, etc. – and even more recent inventions – slash fiction, conspiracies theories, etc., owe their genesis to Americans’ particular fascination with fantasy, and with constructing their own alternate realities.

    I’d like to think that much of the nonsense we’re witnessing lately (“Fake News,” “Pizzagate,” “Crisis Actors,” “QAnon,” etc.) is just the latest manifestation of this long tradition … but I’m concerned that the difference *this time* is that many of the traditionally reality-based institutions that have typically served as a counter-balance to these more outlandish theories – i.e. education, journalism, science, the rule of law, etc. – are at the same time being weakened and undermined.

    I’m also concerned about the seemingly growing numbers of American adults who are no longer engaging in these fantastic ideas just for novelty or entertainment value … but who genuinely can no longer discern between what is fact vs. theory, fact vs. emotion, credible vs. conspiracy.

    If a nation is to survive, it must have civic institutions that enjoy a substantial degree of credibility, and a critical mass of people (citizens) who are capable of absorbing and understanding “real” information and using that information to come to logical conclusions, and thoughtful decisions.

    When every opinion is equally valid, all institutions are suspect, and every crazy conspiracy theory has a valid place in public discussion, our democracy (and culture) begins to die.

    [code]<a href= [code]”Fantasyland” by Kurt Anderson[/code]

  21. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    @ Demetrius,

    So you blame the people for discerning that the institutions have violated our sacred trust and ineffectively tried to manipulate public opinion to conform to their political ideology? A generation of Americans have been taught to hate their own country – to what purpose, but to prepare them to refuse to defend it from attack.

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Problem is what you think is real is fake. Didn’t you ever see where when the “Iraqi People” toppled Saddam Hussein’s statue the media made it look like there were throngs of ecstatic Iraqis but when you see the panned out shot it was a relative handful clearly directed by US military? The media is infiltrated by the CIA and has been for a long time. If they tell the truth once in a while it is remarkable.

  23. Demetrius
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    I’m not saying there’s no such thing as actual conspiracies, nor that certain institutions (including government, and the news media) haven’t, at times, misled the public, resulting in a weakening of trust and legitimacy.

    What I AM saying is that when legitimate claims of wrong-doing get tangled up with the craziest, most outlandish fantasies, it becomes hard to take anything, or anyone, seriously.

    Questions about the Federal Reserve and the role it plays in our monetary system and economy are worth exploring and debating. The fantasy that a secret cabal of Clinton loyalists held child sex slaves hostage in the basement of a Washington D.C. pizzeria is not.

    Considering how elements of the mainstream media have, at times, misled the public by misrepresenting key information, or acting as “stenographers” for government officials, is definitely worth exploring. Assuming that all major media are simply extensions of the CIA, or some kind of top-secret mind-control experiment is not.

    Do you understand the difference?

  24. Anonymous
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Thank you, Mark, for lifting up the rock and letting us see what lives beneath.

  25. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    What if it is not a fantasy, ‘Deem? Basement red herring notwithstanding. What if there is a cabal that is involved in child sex and even worse? Look at Jimmy Savile. He was best buddies with Prince Charles!!! Pret-ty high up there I would say. Look for yourself and give me a fucking break!

  26. Sad
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Does these mean you’re not going to go to Electablog?

  27. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    That site looks horrible. It has to be one of the ugliest looking sites around.

  28. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    EOS, I can comprehend what you wrote enough to see that someone has taken advantage of your ignorance to sell you a pack of lies. If you want to know the purpose of the FED, go read the The Federal Reserve Acts starting with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. I actually have a reasonable understanding of Economics that I picked up while getting a degree in the field. I know enough of how the fed works and what it does to pretty clearly see that you don’t really understand what is going on there. I get it though. They create money out of thin air and make it disappear too. It *IS* kind of nutty. I get it. Sure, it also is something put in place to help rich people but it actually helps everyone.

    I mean, seriously, did you just suggest that Congress print money to pay off the national debt rather than paying interest on the debt? Do you actually understand the implications of that? Yes, that is an option but it is a bad one. A *really* bad one. I don’t have time to go into all of the reasons why but the main ones are 1. The holders of the national debt are largely US Citizens who would be harmed directly if those interest payments were not made. 2. If congress printed money to pay the debt, it would result in inflation. Our debt is such that adding that much money into the money supply would likely result in serious hyperinflation and that would hurt EVERYONE.

  29. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Demetrius, that sounds like a good book! I think you are spot on but I like to keep hope that most people will continue to have faith in the institutions which keep us in check.

    HW, Re: “What if there is a cabal that is involved in child sex and even worse?”

    If there is, there is certainly evidence of it. I have trust too that the larger a group of people are who are keeping a secret, the less likely it is that the secret will be kept. Leaks will happen and they will result in investigations. Even ridiculous claims like Pizzagate resulted in an investigation. If there is an investigation, there will be evidence. I don’t think our government is competent enough to keep major secrets of the nature of a sex ring. I know government workers. I know government works with top secret clearances. I know they would be willing to whistle blow and risk losing their jobs if they uncovered a child sex ring. The more people who are in on a secret, the more likely that someone will spill the beans. That is just human nature.

  30. John Brown
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Agent Orange has weaponized insanity. Further proof he is an intentionally destabilizing foreign stooge. Up to this point in history humanity has largely recognized that insanity presents obvious perils to the individual and society. Now its being cultivated and directed against us. And like being cornered by a rabid racoon – beyond all hope of recovery – it must be immediately put down for the good of all.

  31. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    I did not suggest we print money to pay the debt. I suggested we stop all payments to the Fed and take back control of our money supply. The Fed has profited enough from our reckless spending. They buy our T-Bills and determine the size of our money supply. I suggest we let them hold their pieces of paper until hell freezes over. We could adopt a balanced budget requirement and only spend the money we have collected in taxes or tariffs. And the money that the government collects could once again pay for infrastructure needs. We don’t need the encouragement of the Fed to spend beyond our needs so that the rich can get richer.

  32. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Why don’t you read what Andrew Jackson thought about central banks?

  33. Anonymous
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    We looking be in a time of total lunacy. I fear for humanity.

  34. Anonymous
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    We looking be in a time of total lunacy. I fear for humanity.

  35. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Did Jimmy Savile not victimize all those many people the whole time he was appearing on the BBC and did he not have a relationship with Prince Charles? That alone ought to raise serious questions in anyone’s mind. If the British Royalty can keep a terrible secret why not US politicians? Charlie’s lil bro Prince Andrew was sued for making a sex slave out of a teenage girl on the infamous island that that Clinton’s loved so much they went there dozens of times. The C’s helped Laura Silsby out of being arrested for child trafficking out of post-earthquake Haiti…it starts to look bad quickly if you ACTUALLY LOOK and don’t use unreliable truisms to guide you.

  36. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    I think there is some valid argument for putting the Fed under more federal oversight but the Fed’s control of our money supply is largely the reason the United States has had such a stable currency for the past 100 years. Keeping them separate btw has benefits such as preventing politicians from using things like quantitative easing to pay for things. I am not opposed to a balanced budget requirement but wish we could stop voting for guys like Trump and our current congress who LOVE deficit spending such as the most recent tax scheme which has huge tax cuts for the rich and thus is increasing our deficit. We could use only the money collected in taxes and use it for things like infrastructure.

    I will read what Jackson thought about such things but as I think he was literally the worst American president, even worse than Trump, I am not sure how much weight I will give his opinions.

  37. Sad
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Oh no – now EOS is going to start talking about the evils of the 30 year mortgage.

    Did you hear about Electablog EOS? Don’t you want to expand your audience?

  38. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    By the way Q posted a link about Trump and the FED recently.

    !CbboFOtcZs ID: 142c4e No.2275151
    Jul 25 2018 00:43:52 (EST)

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/trump-poised-to-take-control-of-the-federal-reserve.html
    Q

  39. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Then another post that included that one and this one.

    !CbboFOtcZs ID: 6532f9 No.2279465
    Jul 25 2018 10:18:14 (EST)

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/23/strategist-mark-grant-trump-has-a-right-to-call-out-the-fed.html
    2+2 confirmations.
    Fast.
    We will never again be under their control.
    Q

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    “the most recent tax scheme which has huge tax cuts for the rich and thus is increasing our deficit.”

    Oops. What was it you were saying about fact checking what I say? Turns out you are the bullshitter, huh Lynne?

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/income-tax-revenues-trump-tax-cuts-economic-growth/

  41. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Yes HW, you don’t have a clue. Trump has large deficits and no matter how some people want to spin that for those like you who don’t have the aptitude to understand complex issues, the facts are the facts. Here is a good place to actually fact check

    https://www.cbo.gov/about/products/budget-economic-data#3

    Ultimately, because there is a bit of time between macroeconomic policy implementation and the effects of those policies being felt, we won’t really be able to judge Trump’s policies for some years after he leaves office. We can only make projections based on how similar policies have affected the economy in the past. Like it or not though, our current good economy is most likely a result of Obama era policies and we won’t really know the true effects of Trump’s for years.

  42. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    The good news btw is that if revenue is up, it might get congress to make the tax cuts for those on the lower end of the spectrum more permanent.

  43. wobblie
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    The right wing fascistationist have had to go underground. Folks like Alex Jones are being sued for the libels and misinformation they have shared. I love Jones defense in the latest lawsuits down in Texas. ( Jones has been spreading the lie that Sandy Hook was a “deep state” plot and that the “victims” were crises actors. ) Jones is being sued by some of the family members of Sandy Hook victims. His defense is “No reasonable reader or listener would interpret Mr. Jones’ statements regarding the possibility of a ‘blue-screen’ being used as a verifiably false statement of fact, and even if it is verifiable as false, the entire context in which it was made discloses that the statements are mere opinions ‘masquerading as a fact.’”

    Jones like HW and EOS simply spout opinions and pretend they are “facts”. Like Goring (might have been Goebels or even Adolf said, if you repeat a lie often enough it will be taken as truth.

    The other part of the Jones defense I also like, ie. people who believe what I say are not reasonable people.

    As my daddy used to tell me, “Some times the only way you can deal with a mule is with a 2×4 upside the head.”

  44. wobblie
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Article on Jones lawsuit
    https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/alex-joness-attorneys-defamation-suit-argue-no-reasonable-person-believe-says/

  45. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/19-reasons-why-the-federal-reserve-is-at-the-heart-of-our-economic-problems

  46. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know what the reality of Sandy Hook is but there are a lot of things that don’t seem to add up. Not that Q has talked about that.

    Alex Jones has been left behind for lying about meeting with Q and supposedly being told Q had been taken over. Q put the smackdown on him for it and now many long-time AJ listeners are now gone for good for trying to hijack Q.

  47. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    I’m telling you to actually read sources for yourself instead of posting some media outlet’s lame opinion about them so how am I the one not dealing in facts here? How can you try to make judgements about something you don’t know anything about?

  48. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/11-reasons-why-the-federal-reserve-should-be-abolished

  49. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Jeez EOS, that sure is a good example of an article designed to sound plausible while essentially being completely wrong. Well, I assume it is completely wrong. I have only read the first two of the 19 items and they are so wrong that I assume the rest is. Wow though. Talk about someone taking advantage of people’s economic ignorance!

  50. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    You think critiquing Jones should do something to Q but you have no idea AJ is hurting big time. The most intelligent, energized people he counted among his audience are gone for good and it is all because of a post in which Q did not even use his name. Ditto for AJ’s buddy Jerome Corsi.

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    “The Gilded Age saw the greatest period of economic growth in American history. After the short-lived panic of 1873, the economy recovered with the advent of hard money policies and industrialization. From 1869 to 1879, the US economy grew at a rate of 6.8% for real GDP and 4.5% for real GDP per capita, despite the panic of 1873. The economy repeated this period of growth in the 1880s, in which the wealth of the nation grew at an annual rate of 3.8%, while the GDP was also doubled.”

    Completely wrong how? Were the 20’s the fastest growth or the 50’s or what?

  52. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Evaporatin’ Lynne haha.

  53. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    https://mises.org/wire/how-fed-operates-—-and-why-its-problem

  54. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    https://mises.org/sites/default/files/The%20Case%20Against%20the%20Fed_2.pdf

  55. iRobert
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Mark: ”I don’t know what the solution is, but we need to do something, and we need to do something now, before irreparable harm is done to the fabric of our civil society, assuming, of course, we haven’t already passed the point of no return.”

    I agree, we need to do something. However, what I would mean in saying that would certainly not be what you’d think, I am sure.

    What you’re seeing isn’t something that’s going to cause harm. It’s just one very small expression of the harm which has already been done, and continues to be done. This is just the beginning, in that sense.

  56. Sad
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    I knew when I saw his name that iRobert would offer something reassuring.

    It’s so adorable that HW won’t post on Electablog because the visuals aren’t up to his standards.

  57. iRobert
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 5:07 am | Permalink

    Sad, I think it’s reassuring that life goes on regardless of how insane society as a whole gets. Sometimes it seems difficult for us to remember this. I know I personally have to periodically remind myself that most of what makes life meaningful and fulfilling has no reliance upon the sanity of society. Throughout history, regardless of what was going on politically and socially, people have been able to find genuine understanding and happiness in their personal lives.

    We might still have another brief period of relative thoughtfulness and calm, but it’s obvious our culture has been going very rotten for many years. Almost nobody seems at all aware of their own contribution to that. But we’ve all been a part of it. The damage that it’s done will inevitably express itself and play out.

    Consistent with the problem, everyone is way behind the curve – a curve of which they themselves are a part. It doesn’t bode well.

    But, like I said, hope and reassurance can always be found on the individual level, and in our personal and immediate environments. We can significantly impact our personal spheres and those of the people close to us.

    Genuine experiences and expressions of love and kindness are always our choice. We can always create a little bubble of authenticity, love, reason and decency.

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    Pretty sure it is called eclectablog, Sad. That’s the one I looked at. Why should I go there? Why don’t you post on 8chan? You want to talk about eating people for lunch…even I don’t fuck with the chans…

  59. anonimal
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    @EOS
    I think people might be discounting some of your arguments against the fed w/o actually understanding its problems. However, the Eurozone crisis underscores for me the best reason why we need a central bank (one per country).

    Each gov’t in Europe has lost the ability to manipulate its own currency. Greece (and others like it) bring down Germany’s currency, so German goods are cheaper than they should be given the relative strength of their economy. Germany increases the value of the currency relative to Greece’s economic strength, which means its really hard to pay down their debts (this is true with or without austerity). If each country had its own centralized bank, economic growth would probably spread out through Europe more evenly, and countries would be able to take the steps they need to address their own problems. Instead of waiting for others to impose something.

    Giving up the fed drops the ability to manipulate currency directly. I was more sympathetic to your argument during the recession, I bought into many of the concerns that the fed’s actions would create run-away inflation. But none of that has come true, and I’ve realized that those things are only true if you assume that the country will stop making money at some point in the future. A decent analogy is a mortgage. It’s a bad decision to take on a mortgage when you are 60. Its not so bad a decision if you will be 30 forever and never die. Nations are in the 2nd position.

    Acting as a buyer of its own bonds didn’t change the appetite for American money, t-bills, and bonds in the future. If it did, there would have been signals in the rates on those, and we would have had to constrain supply.

    Also, not sure what this has to do with a internet troll on a kiddie porn sharing site.

  60. Jean Henry
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    About time Mark. Thank you. But had you covered this back when we were all talking about this here in comments, you could have been breaking news. Now the intensity of the Q phenomenon has been validated by major news outlets. But you read it here first.

    Just to be clear, HW was here for almost a year without acknowledging that his ideas were cribbed from QAnon. I discovered it. IL did more research, uncovering the whole adrenochrome, child abuse and lizard hand facet as well as a directive from Q himself that his followers infiltrate liberal blogs and disseminate his ideas slowly and gently at first to draw them in. A directive HW tried to follow. He was provoked by the few of us who contested his bullshit into revealing his true abusive and delusional and megalomaniacal nature. And so those of us who confronted him called us bullies and part of the problem and over all questioned whether HW’s delusions mattered. I guess they do. HW is all yours now, folks. Have fun. Good luck with that whole civility and empathy thing.

  61. Jean Henry
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Well that sentence got fucked up. “And so those of us who confronted him were called bullies and part of the problem by other commenters here who questioned whether HW’s delusions mattered.’

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Jean, you have no idea what you are talking about. Someone chimed in with a comment about Q and I confirmed that I do read Q. You’ve never read Q and neither has Iron Derp. Q has never mentioned reptilians or aliens at all. The truth is you don’t understand Q and what people like you don’t understand you fear.

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    “his true abusive and delusional and megalomaniacal nature”

    You are sick. You try to pin your own mental illness on others. Why do you even try it? It’s not like it means anything.

  64. Anonymous
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    The Q virus spread from Tampa to Pennsylvania.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/politics/wp/2018/08/03/theres-a-virus-in-trumpland/

  65. Anonymous
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    WaPo: “There’s this theory out there that Trump’s real focus in the White House is uprooting a sex trafficking ring that involves the assistance of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III and targets prominent Democrats. The theory originates from random, cryptic posts from someone called “Q,” who shares his insights to anonymous websites.”

    So, what happens to the Q Heads when Mueller recommends images eachment? Do they say that too was part of the plan?

  66. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think anyone is expecting image eachment at all, no. That would be a surprise.

  67. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    I have tried to bet people their names versus my name on this blog, anonymous but no one has taken me up on it. If you lose you have to change your name to whatever I want and vice versa. Say for a year. Careful – wobblie almost did it and would have lost on whether McCabe would be fired. I’m not sure if it is Mueller’s job to make such a recommendation though. If recommending impeachment is within the scope of his duties I would take that bet.

  68. Sad
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    I ‘ll bet my name. I’m tired of being Sad.

    What’s the bet?

  69. Jean Henry
    Posted August 4, 2018 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    HW- that was me who ‘chimed in with a comment about Q.’ I did so several times (with links) before you acknowledged that the theories and ‘research’ you had presented as your own were not yours at all.

  70. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2018 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    No it wasn’t, dumbass. Someone asked me about it months before your slow ass thought you had figured something out on your own.

  71. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2018 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    “…theories and ‘research’ you presented as my own…”

    Did I do that where not appropriate? How? I don’t think so. If you had taken the time to actually discuss what I wrote instead of going psycho every day you would have learned a lot more. You had a window into Q EARLY on and squandered it. Now you are just as far behind as you ever were.

  72. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2018 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    Another thing: Q started posting 10/28/17. I was posting here for a full year before Q posted at all. I talked about the significance of Mueller investigating Tony Podesta and the dissolution of the Podesta Group before Q made their first post. Q talks about things I have understood broadly for many years. Now it is being fleshed out to the maximum.

  73. Jean Henry
    Posted August 4, 2018 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    HW— please go find that comment. I may have missed it but I’m pretty sure it was me. Oh wait. You were on hiatus when I found out about Q. I have read quite a bit of Q and QAnon posts now. And read a lot about them. I’m not sure I missed much. They simply illuminated what you’d been talking about in larger context.

    I did not think Q arose out of a vacuum. He simply consolidated a bunch of ongoing conspiracy theories into a giant multidimensional one. And he leaves it loose enough to be interpreted differently by different people. He leaves out bits and pieces which creates a vacuum which most followers will fill with their own imaginations. That creates but in for the followers. And limits conflict. It’s very smart, even diabolical. I wonder if he/she/they have monetized it yet.

    It’s really too bad you didn’t get there first HW. You’d be famous and properly glorified right now if you’d just tapped into the zeitgeist. Instead you spend your time on a local blog where most readers simply laugh at you.

  74. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2018 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Jean, you don’t even know what YOU say from day to day let alone other people. You think I give a shit if derps like you laugh at me? It only makes it sweeter when I am correct and you are wrong wrong wrong AS ALWAYS.

  75. iRobert
    Posted August 6, 2018 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    The suggestion by Qanon folks that Trump was installed by a group of high-ranking military officials doesn’t seem to me all that far off, if at all.

    Indications are that Trump and his campaign had no knowledge of the key aspects of the simple but clever strategy which made the difference in swinging Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin.

    The huge and absolutely crutial urban GOTV operations in those states were sabotaged, and from the inside. Information which would have alerted the Clinton campaign to what was going on was effectively suppressed. Misleading data was fed to the national campaign to cover what was going on. None of this was known to the Trump campaign either. It was effectively covered right up until the polls closed in the eastern time zone.

    This action was creatively simple, yet sophisticated in a sense. Democrats who understand what was done would consider it incredibly diobolical. But really, it was simply a strategy which took advantage of what is the Democrats’ most glaringly obvious vaulnerability in these few key, big electoral states.

    It was essentially an illusionist’s trick – removing a most prominent and necessary feature which is right out in plain view, center-stage so to speak, while creating and maintaining the illusion that the feature remains in tact an untouched.

  76. Claude Taylor by proxy
    Posted August 6, 2018 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    I’ve been trying to figure out this QAnon thing. If the theory goes that Trump is actually working with Mueller to indict Hillary and Obama shouldn’t the Cultists be supporting Mueller? Help me out here.

  77. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 6, 2018 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    It’s a mass movement, not a cult. If Mueller has been pressed into service of the country to distract from the real investigation headed by Huber then I think everyone is going to be extremely happy. Remember Mueller is a Marine. Was Mueller eligible for the FBI job? If not, for what other reason might DJT have met with him the day before the special counsel was empaneled?

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/13/politics/trump-robert-mueller-fbi-director-interview/index.html
    “President Donald Trump interviewed Robert Mueller as a potential replacement for fired FBI Director James Comey the day before the former FBI director was named special counsel, a White House official said Tuesday.”

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 6, 2018 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    iRobert, you think get out the vote initiatives were infiltrated and sabotaged by Trump’s white hats? Why?

  79. Even Michael Flynn Jr. thinks you’re crazy
    Posted August 6, 2018 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    This is going to sting. Yiu might want to sit down for a minute.

    Even Michael Flynn Jr. thinks you’re crazy.

    From his Twitter: I

    Folks, let me be clear.

    I have zero association w the whole “Q” conspiracy.

    While I’ve been mentioned alongside the #QAnon hashtag before, I’ve never taken it seriously.

    And you shouldn’t either.
    #MondayMorning

  80. iRobert
    Posted August 6, 2018 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I can only speculate on The Who and why.

  81. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 6, 2018 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Seems random, iRob. I don’t see how whatever you are referring to has to do with Q. Q indicated they disallowed election fraud in key areas. That is how Trump won.

  82. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 6, 2018 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    “Even Michael Flynn Jr. thinks you’re crazy.”

    Oh nooo! Mortal blow! This is the big one, Wheezy!!!

  83. Posted August 6, 2018 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    “This is the big one” was Fred Sanford.

    “Wheezy” was George Jefferson.

    How can we believe anything you say if you can’t even tell the difference between George Jefferson and Fred Sanford?

  84. Posted August 6, 2018 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    And, seriously, when a conspiracy theorist like Michael “Lock her up” Flynn Jr. decides to distance himself from you, it’s time for some serious introspection.

  85. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 6, 2018 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Oh, you finally got me! That’s probably a good sign that thirty years after ditching tee-vee I’m finally out of the media world. Flynn Jr.’s comment means nothing to me. Get ready. “FISA brings down the house.”

    Does 6 – 2 not = 4 around here or what?

  86. Little Nemo
    Posted August 7, 2018 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    This Qanon conspiracy in a lot of ways sounds like a rehash of the Elders of Zion… a conspiracy cooked up by the Russians over 100 years ago and heavily publicized by Henry Ford in the US.

    Buzzfeed has an article out yesterday suggesting that Qanon is modeling itself off an italian book published in 1999 called “Q”. The authors are a collective of anarchists that now call themselves the Wu Ming Foundation. They say the book was a prank through the Luther Blisset collective meant to cause cultural distruption.

    Well done, fellas, Well done.

  87. Lynne
    Posted August 7, 2018 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    I can’t respect anyone who mixes up Fred Sanford and George Jefferson.

  88. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 7, 2018 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Quite a reach there, lil neemer. It’s funny to see all the comments on Q by people who have never read a Q post in their life.

    Lynne, I would be worried if someone as backwards as you respected me. Surely that would be a bad sign.

  89. Eel
    Posted August 13, 2018 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    When you’re with Qanon, you’re with this guy.

    https://www.pluralist.com/posts/1787-pro-trump-conspiracy-theorist-accused-of-setting-california-on-fire/partners/43955

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 13, 2018 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, cuz that’s Q.

  91. Eel
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Qanon exposed as grifters.

    Sorry, HW, but they weren’t really White House insiders.

    https://twitter.com/RobertMaguire_/status/1029477599964213248

  92. Jean Henry
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Eel— nice. I figured someone had monetized it.
    HW will never admit he’s wrong though. He’ll start back peddling away from Q in 5,4,3, 2, 1…

  93. EOS
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    So how does that work? A person posts on 4chan and 8chan which are freely available. He drops hints and tells people to do their own research. If this guy is only known as numbers on an obscure website, how is he getting money from the people who read his posts for free? Sounds like you are promoting a conspiracy theory Eel.

  94. Jean Henry
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    This whole report on Catholic Priest abuse is unbelievably depressing and a solid reminder that moralism serves to cover more harmful dysfunction than it will ever remedy.

    Being gleeful for political reasons at the prospect of an imagined child sex ring take down is just bizarre. Of course accusations of human trafficking and other horrific behavior (vampirism etc) is used to energize the most insidious of conspiracy theories. What else could justify such obsessiveness, such blood lust for political revenge? It’s exactly why people paid so much more attention to the stormy Daniels, which was by all accounts consensual, than to the dozens of other sexual abuse charges against Truno.

    And somehow all this enpassioned moralism does not make any woman or child more safe ever. The greatest champions of women’s rights were also champions of free love doctrines. It’s no coincidence.

    God, the American puritanical streak is so tiresome and so persistent. It stands right alongside its propensity for violence. Especially sexual violence.

  95. Jean Henry
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Wrong page. Oh well. You all can figure out which post it belongs with.

  96. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    How can someone who never read Q think they can make me backpedal (not peddle lol)? I was looking at qanon.pub when Q accidentally revealed their trip code. Lots of people started posting random shit. How does that mean it is Pamphlet? It could turn out to be someone outside the Trump orbit but if that is the case then how does Q know when and what DJT is going to tweet before he does it?

  97. Jean Henry
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Ok more a scramble to explain rather than a back peddle. Figures.

  98. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Explain what? I do not see evidence Pamphlet exposed the trip.

  99. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Jean, you are so confused. People are happy to see evil stopped because they are good people , not republicans. Latest Q:

    Haiti
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvTqqYCb-e8

  100. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    …continued

    [Read very carefully]
    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/sunday-nights-matt-doran-goes-undercover-with-operation-underground-railroad-to-bring-down-haiti-child-sex-ring/news-story/dcecf5950ca5b6d501c48ed927127bc3
    “Child trafficking victims who’ve spent their formative years servicing the carnal desires of men, often foreigners, who are three, four, five or six times their age. Their madam tells me that many of their customers are western humanitarian workers who’ve come here to help rebuild Haiti after the recent run of natural disasters.”
    The more you know…
    Q

  101. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Now who was in charge of the relief effort? Who put 90% of the money into NGO hands, not the people or government of Haiti?

  102. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 15, 2018 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Who rescued poor Laura Silsby and friends there in the vid from the Haitian authorities when they were arrested for attempting to “take 33 children from Haiti without authorization” (child trafficking)?

  103. Anonymous
    Posted August 20, 2018 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    The Traveling Wilburys have a pizzagate song.

    https://twitter.com/NickLutsko/status/1031574178137296897

  104. Ben Collins by proxy
    Posted August 22, 2018 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    The Qanon narrative no longer makes sense after today's verdict and plea deal, and the community is trying to come to grips with it. pic.twitter.com/qlwoQaQBUn— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) August 21, 2018

  105. Eel
    Posted August 24, 2018 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Trump invited a QAnon conspiracy theorist to meet with him at the White House.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-in-oval-office-meets-promoter-of-qanon-conspiracy-theory-that-says-democrats-run-pedophile-cult

  106. Jean Henry
    Posted August 25, 2018 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    That explains HW’s recent disappearance. He certainly asserted until called on it that all these theories were the product of his own ‘independent research’ and his ‘independent thinking.’ If he is right in all things as he has also asserted, then he must be Q.

  107. iRobert
    Posted September 19, 2018 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    I think you’re right, Jean. I was worried about HW, having not heard from him in a while. Naturally, I had assumed he overdosed.

  108. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2018 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    What has Q said is behind this Cavanaugh situation?

    Now that we’ve lost HW, are there any other QAnon folks here that can step up and bring us up to speed?

  109. Jean Henry
    Posted September 24, 2018 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    HW is probably busy making death threats against Kavanaugh’s accusers if he’s still following his marching orders:
    “In the seediest corners of the internet, that meant a retaliation campaign that looked to discredit Ford’s entire family. On an 8chan board for QAnon, a sweeping right-wing conspiracy theory that claims all Donald Trump’s enemies are actually in a Satanic child trafficking ring, users posted Ford’s home address.

    Always eager to allege a vast, decades-long conspiracy, QAnoners pushed a theory that Ford was lashing out at Kavanaugh because his mother (also a judge) appears to have overseen a foreclosure case in the ’90s involving Ford’s parents. But the trolls’ own screenshots of court dockets revealed that the elder Kavanaugh had ruled in favor of Ford’s family, killing the conspiracy upon arrival.

    Nevertheless, the theory found its way to the pro-Trump blog America First Media (which is being sued for pushing wild conspiracies targeting the family of Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich). America First Media had previously paid for Facebook ads attacking Ford, and published this latest conspiracy about Ford’s family without noting its obvious flaws.

    “The list of coincidences continues, we’re sure this is just another one of those instances,” the blog wrote. “We’ll let you decide as we keep bringing you the truth America!””

  110. Jean Henry
    Posted September 24, 2018 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    HW is also probably in a deep mourning state because his ‘research’ has been stymied by multiple bans of conspiracy theory sites and threads on twitter and reddit. Where is a paranoid maniac supposed to go for fortification with vitamin rage these days? https://qz.com/1384432/reddit-banned-qanon/

  111. Jean Henry
    Posted September 24, 2018 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Apparently, the moment of truth is once again upon us. They are stoked about Rod Rosenstein and think Trump is about to show his hand… again.

    “And we are at attention. Awaiting orders. You have taught us discipline. You have reminded us to be patient. And now, we are at attention. Ready to mobilize in the thousands within minutes. The internet is not ready for this. Literally. Anywhere you send us, we are natural ddos.
    Within our ranks are some of the brightest minds, the kindest hearts, and the most ravenous of wolves,
    Everything you need to jumpstart the US and the world to the next frontier.
    Gives me goosebumps how much power we have.
    WWG1WGA”

    “What a truly incredible time in the History of the World to be alive and a part of the inner workings of the Great Awakening. The Patriotism and Bravery of all who have been on the front lines and the fringes, as Q has guided us into the wonderful time to see justice done and the world set right again. From the day Donald Trump Announced his run, I had hope like I have not had since they murdered JFK. Trust the Plan, Stay Together, WWG1WGA”

    WWG1WGA = Where we go one, we go all
    ddos= distributed denial of service cyber attack

    Twitter search of #Qanon is always amusing. I wish I had more time: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23QAnon&src=tyah

  112. Ben Collins by proxy
    Posted December 7, 2018 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Ben Collins from NBC News:

    We are a little lucky to have Qanon for academic purposes—a real-time, extremely public view into how people degrade themselves into buying into what has become an actual doomsday cult.

    Unprecedented documentary evidence into radicalization—and how platforms failed to stop them.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1071142151168368641

  113. Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Yup. Totally reasonable.

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