It Can Happen Here… The Q-virus spreads to Michigan

We’ve talked about the right wing Qanon conspiracy theory here before, and I’m not inclined to give any more of a platform to those among us who believe that an incredibly noble Donald Trump is valiantly fighting to free child sex slaves from a secret society of baby-eating globalists led by Hillary Clinton, but, when I saw this footage from the Trump rally yesterday in Grand Rapids, I felt obligated to share it… We live in truly terrifying times, folks. And I’m afraid that it’s not going to get better anytime soon. Even if we’re able to get Donald Trump out of office in 2020, we’re going to be dealing with the victims of Trumpism for the rest of our lives… For more background on the mental illness known as Qanon, I’d suggest episode 122 of the Reply All podcast.

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  1. Posted March 29, 2019 at 8:04 am | Permalink

  2. Sad
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    I’m surprised everyone isn’t Sad with this going on right here in our beautiful state…..

  3. EOS
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Michigan, the nation, and the world. The globalists are on the run. People are waking up. I think the Satanic cabal that eats children is a false flag intended to deter individuals from doing their own research. I feel bad for anyone who still believes mainstream media after the last two years of incessant lies. Indictments coming soon. You’ll see.

  4. Sad
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    I hope you’re right EOS. Time for a fresh start.

    https://www.peteforamerica.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiIyl8rqn4QIVhcDACh30qA3qEAAYASAAEgKgJvD_BwE

  5. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Are you shocked at how many Michiganders make noise for Q? I told you you have no idea what is going on. I find it incredibly stupid to call something insane that you have no understanding of.

  6. saramin
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    I’ve always wondered why these people are such sheep to a corporate shilling money laundering wannabe mob boss who was born into and inherited his wealth. Could it be just a reaction to having had a black president for 8 years?

  7. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Yeah, it’s just pure racism. That’s what it is, Sara. It has nothing to do with destroying the corrupt system.

  8. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Something to improve your annoying show

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvEIXfy_Ga8

  9. Sad
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Trump = American Taliban

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/436340-buttigieg-americans-are-being-radicalized-by-trump-administration

  10. EOS
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Here’s a deck of playing cards to make it easier for you all to keep track.

    https://qmap.pub/players

  11. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Damn, look at all those Q people in line. While you have obsessed on lies we have been growing every day. Is there any doubt we are in the many millions? I’m so proud of the people of Michigan. They are so nice too. Look.

  12. EOS
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    The Yellow Vests in France are Q people too. And the Brexit supporters in the UK.

  13. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Aloha, still wondering who calls the shots in this administration. First he reverses Devos on the Special Olympics, as if he his earlier budgets also didn’t ax funding. And now last night he says, “I support the Great Lakes, ALWAYS have. They’re big. They’re beautiful. Very deep. Record deepness. And I’m going to get, in honor of my friends, full funding of $300 million for the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative.” His last budget wanted to cut funding, and his proposed budget cuts $270 million of the $300 million. It is pretty clear Trump does not know what his budget includes. Inquiring minds want to know, who is in charge. Did we apply new sanctions to North Korea or not, the President wants to know.
    The weakest stupidest President in my life time. He only has entertainment value. Once the Q people see they are getting played, they will move on. They all used to follow Alex Jones, but his shtick ran out of steam as will Q.
    MM, stop playing into Republican talking points. Talking Russiagate, Q, and all the rest is a distraction from the facts–such as him being clueless about what his budget is. He is nothing but a tool of the swamp at this point.
    EOS, that must be why the CGT (comunist labor union in France) has been supporting the Yellow Vests. Q-folks are detached from reality, don’t enable them.

  14. John Brown
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    poor poor ignorant sheeple. This is how fascists make trouble and start civil wars. But don’t worry , the real Americans who aren’t suckers for carnival hucksters will finish it, if it come to that….

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    You are the fascist. You believe CIA lies. Q unites. You try to divide. You try to foment race and class war between Americans. You are losing. You already have lost but are too dumb to know it.

  16. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Aloha, watched about 10 min of the first video. Only person of color was the street cleaner at about the 3:30 mark. Grand Rapids is only about 65% white, so something on the order of 35% of the population totally ignored Trump. We know Trump is only going to get about 60% of the white vote at best.
    Does his administration know that he repudiated his own budget twice in the last two days? And will they even bother to listen to him? Said we were going to get out of Syria–nope. Said we would have the best health care every–nope. Do we have new sanctions on North Korea or not–the President wants to know.

  17. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    That’s okay. More people of all colors will come around. I’m sure many are as we speak. Trying to divide once again. That is what I call sad. Oh, the budget! Syria is getting wrapped up. Drug prices are going down. Oh no! Don’t know exactly what is happening in NK!!! Trump is the devil! Scattershot bullshit, dude.

  18. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Aloha, I wonder who is going to put together Trumps “best health care plan ever” since the Republican leader of the Senate is punting, ““I look forward to seeing what the president is proposing and what he can work out with the speaker,” McConnell said in a brief interview Thursday.
    Focus on the issues folks. The Republicans are clueless, they need the Q folks and the culture wars to excite his base. Trumps lies or incompetence on his budget -I let one of his supporters tell me which and his lack of control over his cabinet.–is becoming obvious to more people.
    Does anyone know if we applied new sanctions on North Korea–the President would really like to know.

  19. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Scattershotting even more nitpicky shit. Why don’t you talk about the real issue? There was a co-ordinated sustained coup attempt to illegally remove our President. They used fraudulent means to obtain the FISA warrants. You aren’t going to be able to ignore it because there will be prosecution.

  20. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Aloha, HW, what do you have to talk about beside crooked Hilary no-collusion and Q? Trump said out of Syria in December. Now April. Not even 30 days ago his Defense department was telling every one we were staying in Syria with at least 500 troops indefinitely. Do you think they let Trump know? Since all you care about is Hilary no-collusion and Q, you seem unwilling to address in substance anything of importance.
    Did we apply new sanctions on North Korea or not. How many troops have we withdrawn from Syria in the last 4 months? Is the Great Lakes Restoration going to get $300 million or $30 million? The President would like to know.
    The weakest President at least since G. Ford. His cabinet does what ever they want. How many cabinet members has he gone through in 2 years?
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/16/us/politics/all-the-major-firings-and-resignations-in-trump-administration.html
    HW would love to talk with you about the issues that matter to most of us lowly working folks.

  21. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Aloha, HW, since there are going to be prosecutions, it hardly seems important to talk about. Knowing who is actually running the government would be nice.

  22. Jean Henry
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Cesspool of MM.com comment section holds.

    It’s worth watching that Brexit movie to see an easily digestible run down of how so many people can be influenced by social media to vote against st their own self interest.

  23. John Brown
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    What a lying POS on the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative. Total disinformation for the totally uninformed. GLRI began in 2010 and has been funded every year since. Even last year when Agent Orange tried to cut it 90%, but due to bipartisan constituent outrage congress restored it. That these sheeple are so fucking stoopid as to let this conman reinvent reality is literally mass insanity on display. Agent Orange is going full Mussolini, but I think he skipped the end of the story where Il Douche ends up hanging upside down from a meat hook! Few in American history have deserved an upside down ride on a meat hook as much as Agent Orange.

  24. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    “what do you have to talk about beside crooked Hilary no-collusion and Q? ”

    I talk about just about everything. Q is the topic and no collusion is the big fuckin’ news right now you all have to deal with. Think of allll those offensive comments about me and everyone else who told the truth all along. How many individuals here have to eat everything they said about Trump and Russia? They better get started because it’s a massive amount to digest.

  25. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    How fucking dumb are you? Still saying Agent Orange? Oh, okay – that makes a lot of sense now that everyone knows it was one of the biggest fattest lies ever foisted onto the public.

  26. John Brown
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    “baaaahhhhh, baaahhhhhhhhhhhhh, fuck my sheep ass farmer trump, baaaaaaah!” – HW

    (with a special dedication to JH)

  27. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Yeah, creepy degenerates ftw.

  28. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    You are the sheep and Mueller’s failure to find collusion or conspiracy proves it. Go crazy all you want. Collusion is dead and so is your kind of thinking.

  29. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Aloha, I wonder why no one has pointed out that it was Trump’s FAA which certified the killer 737 MAX, and failed to follow-up on insuring that Boeing did what they said they were going to do -ie. provide necessary manuals and training for pilots. I suppose it is all part of that “privatization” that Republicans love. Thanks to the Republican/Trump administration not doing its job—wonder if the chaos and constant turnover of personnel has anything to do with it–hundreds of folks are dead.
    Has anybody found out what the story is on North Korean sanctions. The President would really like to know.

  30. EOS
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    It’s always in the self-interest of citizen’s to maintain autonomy of their own nation and control of their monetary supply.

  31. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW. You say you will talk about anything. I brought up censorship on the internet yesterday. You totally ignored it. I’ve brought up whether or not Trump actually controls what his administration does, you have totally ignored it. Since you want to talk about the successful coup against Trump, ok. When does Rosenstein, and Mueller go to jail? You do know that every investigation into Trump were led and organized by Republicans. The Democratic investigations into the Trump Administration are just getting started. The civil war in the Republican party seems to be over, and Trump has capitulated to the establishment Republicans on everything, as long as he gets his wall (weren’t the Mexicans supposed to pay for it) and gets to do his schtick, he seems to be happy.
    Do you think they will tell him that his budget basically defunded the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative, or do you think he might find out when he gets his Fox News fix.
    Any word on those North Korean sanctions?

  32. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t notice your censorship comment. Since social media companies shadowban a certain political orientation and things like that I’d say you have the problem with censorship. Rosenstein and Mueller going to jail? Dunno, you will have to fill me in on that. The President is in control of NK sanctions I am sure. He has been able to do what that your people couldn’t do again? You are randomly driveling about everything except what is most relevant right now.

  33. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    “Since you want to talk about the successful coup against Trump, ok.”

    Are you okay?

  34. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW and EOS, Any idea why the Republican Administration (until some one demonstrates other wise I do not believe Trump runs his administration) is opposed to the bi-partisan Securing American Elections Act. My main lady Tulsi is pushing ahead and wants to secure our elections.
    https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-re-introduces-securing-america-s-elections-act?fbclid=IwAR3RB3dSAx2D67r2XTnl9uPwpP9Bdc6S58Vpe5X4P3kWn-DOChOKwl-LAMI

  35. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, did we impose new sanctions on North Korea or not? The Republican Administration Treasury Department says we have. Trump says we have not. Can you point me to an article or link that supports the view that ” The President is in control of NK sanctions”. I’m glad you are sure. I am skeptical.

  36. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, you are the one who is saying there was an attempted coup. If there was then Rosenstein and Mueller would have been involved, they are the ones who have been doing all the heavy lifting. All the investigations so far have been Republican affairs. Please tell me how those who are not in a position of power, have no legal authority to subpoena or compel testimony are in charge of the coup? Besides Q who else knows?

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    No one has to demonstrate anything to you. I haven’t heard of this legislation. There will be a push for a National Voter I.D. backed by evidence of widespread fraud in recent elections.

  38. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    “Aloha HW, did we impose new sanctions on North Korea or not? The Republican Administration Treasury Department says we have. Trump says we have not. Can you point me to an article or link that supports the view that ” The President is in control of NK sanctions”. I’m glad you are sure. I am skeptical.”

    Show me the latest info from the Treasury.

  39. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, I don’t understand this comment at all, ” Since social media companies shadowban a certain political orientation and things like that I’d say you have the problem with censorship.” I’m opposed to censorship. I am in favor of free speech (I’m opposed to free speech zones and hate speech laws myself). It was liberals falling all over themselves about anti-abortion protestors which led to the creation of free speech zones and other restrictions on picketing etc. I am totally opposed to Facebook censorship, it will only buttress the power of the powerful. But given the sycophants of the rich and powerful who make up our SCOTUS I have no faith that Free Speech on the internet will survive much longer. The Republican Administration has already thrown out net neutrality, empowering its rich and powerful friends seems to be the modus operindi .

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    “But given the sycophants of the rich and powerful who make up our SCOTUS I have no faith that Free Speech on the internet will survive much longer. The Republican Administration has already thrown out net neutrality, empowering its rich and powerful friends seems to be the modus operindi .”

    Wobblie has no faith. No Faith! That really means something! Didn’t Obama give away the internet? I’m not particularly well versed on net neutrality but I have seen good arguments against it.

  41. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, Here is an article from Rolling Stones last August detailing the Republican Administrations opposition to the Securing American Elections Act. As I’ve been saying the whole Russiagate media orgy has been about us not looking at the Republican Administration policies.
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/election-security-2018-715204/

    The main take away from the article is, White House spokesperson Lindsay Walters said in a statement. “We cannot support legislation with inappropriate mandates or that moves power or funding from the states to Washington for the planning and operation of elections.”
    The “mandate” was requiring states to use a paper verification system, and the funding was for the Feds, instead of the states to pay for the paper verification system.

  42. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    What did Russia do to our votes again? Oh that’s right. Nothing. No votes changed. There will be superior legislation that will actually prevent fraud.

  43. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Fuckin’ wack-a-mole with Wobblie. Sheesh. Busting out every bitch-ass little gripe you can find.

  44. EOS
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Ok wobblie,

    I looked up the “bi-partisan Securing American Elections Act.” It has only 3 sponsors and they are all Democrats. It mandates that the paper ballot be used for the official recount in all Federal elections. Boxes of paper ballots from precincts tend to get lost while in transit to city hall. Not the best means for recounts, especially in precincts that are largely a single party. It brings up the hanging chad nightmare.

    The best way to secure elections is to limit voting to citizens who have a government issued photo ID. That’s how it works at my polling place. They scan my driver’s license and ensure that someone else doesn’t come in and claim to be me and vote.

  45. Sad
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Thank God. Finally a Christian veteran running to be president.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/03/29/evangelicals-helped-get-trump-into-white-house-pete-buttigieg-believes-religious-left-will-get-him-out/?utm_term=.ad7302f7b329

  46. EOS
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    If the Federal government mandates the same voting equipment at all polling places, it makes it much easier for widespread fraud.

  47. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, ” Didn’t Obama give away the internet?” NO, his FCC implemented net neutrality regulations ie. they codified what had been in existence all along. While you have been reading Q, the “coup” by the rich and powerful has been proceeding all along.

  48. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Aloha EOS, You are looking at the bill that was just RE-introduced. The same Bill that was introduced last year in the Senate was co-sponsored by Lindsey Graham, last I looked he was still a Republican. IF there is a voter verified paper copy of your ballot how does that make voter fraud easier? Also their was no mandate on”same voting equipment at all polling places” only that there be a voter verified paper copy.

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Wack-a Wob

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-internet-has-bigger-problems-than-facebook-and-its-obamas-fault

    ICANN’s gross mismanagement of behind-the-scenes technical operations threatens the security, interoperability, and openness of the entire Internet, industry experts warn. Unlike the Facebook situation, however, there may not be much lawmakers can do.

    That’s because 18 months ago, America surrendered oversight of ICANN. Despite earlier imposing network neutrality regulations to keep U.S. Internet service providers honest, then-President Barack Obama paradoxically decided ICANN was better off without any government intervention. ICANN now has absolute control of key Internet infrastructure and answers to no one.

  50. EOS
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    OK, I guess the link I read was dated earlier than the Rolling Stone article. But really, I don’t think anyone mistakes Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Susan Collins (R-ME) to be aligned with Republicans.

  51. EOS
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Mandatory funding by the Federal government would ensure uniformity.

  52. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Aloha EOS, how do you know that how you voted is how your vote will be counted? I know Republicans are all about voter fraud. That issue has been substantially addressed. 37 states now require IDs to vote. ” Boxes of paper ballots from precincts tend to get lost while in transit to city hall.” Please provide some substance to this assertion. It also seems like an issue that could easily be corrected. After the SCOTUS stole the 2000 election, there were dozens of people at my precinct who stayed after the polls closed. We would have gladly accompanied the precinct workers to city hall to ensure the safe transit of our ballots.

  53. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, agree with you about ICANN. What has the Republican Administration (total control of the government for two years) done about it? Any word on the North Korean sanctions?

  54. AOC Forever
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    HW: exactly which corrupt system are you referring to? Because if you think the current floater in the white house is not corrupt, than i should’ve listened to my initial instinct which was to ignore you.

  55. EOS
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    The precinct workers aren’t required to transport anyone. Additionally, poll watchers tend to be far more partisan than the electorate as a whole and would likely be the perpetrators of the “lost ballots”.

  56. EOS
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2017/12/15/experts-browards-elections-chief-broke-law-in-destroying-ballots-150258

  57. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know much at all about Q’s extensive theories.

    I do know that many here have participated and promoted a theory that seems to have been completely false.

    The 2 year promoters of the false theory want to now throw shade on the theory that, in at least one aspect, turned out to be true?

    You are fundamentally corrupt. Fix it.

  58. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Aloha EOS. Thanks for the link. Did you notice that the law that Brenda Snipes violated was,”Under longstanding federal law, ballots cast in a congressional race aren’t supposed to be destroyed until 22 months after the election.” You know one of those Federal mandates you seem to oppose. Brenda Snipes is corrupt and she helped the corrupt Wasserman-Schultes. It was only because her Democratic opponent challenged the results that we know just how corrupt Snipes is.
    I don’t understand this comment at all, “The precinct workers aren’t required to transport anyone. Additionally, poll watchers tend to be far more partisan than the electorate as a whole and would likely be the perpetrators of the “lost ballots”.
    Poll watchers are not the same as election precinct workers. Precinct workers are hired by the authority that runs the election, in Ypsi that is the city clerk. At my precinct it has been mostly the same people for years, usually retired folks picking up extra cash. Poll watchers are partisans, in my precinct it is usually students from Hillsdale College for the Republicans, the Democrats usually don’t have any (the precinct is overwhelmingly Democratic) and they can challenge individuals right to vote, but they have nothing to do with conducting the election.

  59. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Aloha FF, I’m waiting for HW to get back to us about when Q says the hammer is going to fall on Mueller and gang.

  60. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, At least HW addressed the lily whiteness of the Trump audience at his latest show. I wonder what his Republican producers are going to do to address that hole in his market. And can they get more people of color to come to the shows without driving away his core audience.

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Q never said anything about any hammers on those two. Why ask moronic questions?

  62. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, I know you want more outreach to the potential black audience for Trump. But I just don’t think that things like this are going to help your cause. This was written by the director of a homeless shelter in Grand Rapids.
    Dennis Van Kampen

    I am heartbroken, angry and ashamed. Yesterday the lines of people waiting to attend the Trump rally ran right in front of our mission. Red hats and white men as far as the eye could see.

    These people, countless of them, said very rude things to our staff. They shouted racial slurs at our guests trying to come for shelter and they refused to get out of the way for our women and CHILDREN trying to get in the mission

    Let me be clear. Most of these women are victims of severe domestic violence. Some with mental illness. And they had to fight their way through a crowd that did not have the common decency to step aside and let them through

    These were children who have done nothing wrong. Living in trauma and now experiencing this and hearing racial slurs

    Many of you will say, don’t blame everyone because of a few. That is a cop out. It began in the garden of eden with Adam “it was not me it was the woman”

    Is this great? Is it great when a young black man walks past the crowd and makes one statement about how feels about the president and a 50 year old white man with a MAGA hat just walks up to him and takes a swing at him? For exercising free speech

    Is it great when the crowds yell Trump slogans at the guests trying to find safety, Hope, refuge, help in the mission and then some proceed to add racial slurs? And no one in the line confronts them.

    Forget great. Is it is Godly, Grand Rapids? Does it match with scripture, with Jesus?

    I am heartbroken, angry, and ashamed

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    You sound so dim…Republican producers? Some kind of vague attempt to insinuate the President represents someone else in the party? The President only needs to keep going in the direction he is to pick up more voters of all colors. The economy is beating that ass. ISIS is all but gone. NK is chilling. The Dems and media wrecked theirselves telling lies and breaking the law to try to destroy Trump. Q is growing and growing. This shit is bad as hell for Patriots. What are you talking about?

  64. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, just so folks can know who Dennis Van Kampen is,
    Dennis came to Mel Trotter Ministries in early 2012. He served as the Vice President of Programs until being selected as the CEO in June of 2015. Dennis came to MTM with a wide range of professional and leadership experiences. He served in camp and retreat ministry for 17 years, as a church staff pastor for 6 years and even as a reserve and part-time deputy sheriff for 15 years. In addition to MTM, Dennis continues to teach as an adjunct faculty member at Cornerstone University, which he has done for over 12 years. He also serves as a Lay pastor for his church.

    “Although I did not know it at the time, I now can see God carefully orchestrating each step in preparation for my role with Mel Trotter. My job draws upon each of those past experiences.”

    “When I came to Mel Trotter I had no idea how it would shape me and change me. I was brought up to believe certain stereotypes about those experiencing severe poverty. They were lazy, had no faith, were choosing to live like this, they were all addicted and more. What I now know is that the vast majority of people experiencing homelessness are none of those things. Jesus said we must Love God and Love Others, period. Serving at MTM, I have not only learned more about loving God and others than I ever knew possible, but my life has been impacted far more by what our guests have given me than what I could ever give them.”

    “Life change happens here every single day. Guests find housing, jobs, freedom from addiction, healing, restoration, relationship and many choose to move forward on their faith journey. Just as often I find it is me, and the rest of the staff who have our lives transformed by serving and walking

  65. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Video or it didn’t happen. A video like that could be worth big bucks. Why didn’t he call the cops? You think in the Smollett era you can just make a claim with no evidence and hope it sticks?

  66. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, As I said earlier, until it can be demonstrated that Trump actually calls the shots in his administration I will treat him as what he is, an entertainer. “Why ask moronic questions?”, ” You sound so dim”. I just want to talk about the issues. If my questions seem moronic to you then don’t engage them. I readily admit that I can be slow some times. Sorry your intellect is so much faster than mine.

  67. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    If you want to talk why ask harrassing, dumb questions? It’s not an attempt to communicate is it? Ask me something about Q and I’ll answer. Try to insinuate something you don’t understand and I’ll just be like “derp.” Why try to trash something you don’t understand is my overall question I guess.

  68. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    But that’s your opinion that “it hasn’t been demonstrated blah blah…” It’s so immature to see the world that way like a subjective opinion is a fact. I mean it would be easy to just point to…all the things he has done. It’s pointless though. You would have to define what you consider proof of demonstration and I would probably be like that’s ridiculous. Different definitions, different opinions.

  69. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Till now it’s been rope-a-dope Trump. You know about that famous Ali/Foreman fight in Zaire? The Rumble In The Jungle? What happened? Ali weathered the storm and let George punch himself right out of gas. Then what? Hahahaha. I’m telling you this shit is going to be bad as hell. It already is with all you people having to eat everything you said about collusion. I’m the deluded one though.

  70. Anonymous
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    You may call it a zoo, but I appreciate this glimpse into the world of the Q. Thank you for the public service, Mark.

  71. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, ” I mean it would be easy to just point to…all the things he has done.” Just trying to do that. He stated last night that the Great Lakes Restoration Fund was going to be funded at $300 million. His budget calls for only $30 million. Which is it? He said no new sanctions on North Korea. His Treasury Department says new sanctions. Which is it? My slow motion mind just can’t figure this out. Please help.

  72. Bob
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    This is the dumbest comments thread ever associated with MM.com. That’s really saying something.

  73. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    I’m cool with him changing his mind on that based on sound information. He is a negotiator. No doubt the money can be spent better and appearing to withhold it would be a bargaining chip. He is obsessed with dealmaking. Give him his due. Does an outlook that completely disregards any non-negative information on something seem reasonable.

  74. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, loved your analogy. Loved Ali. One of my early memories was listening to the first Ali (Cassius at the time) Listen fight with my mom. Ali truely floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee in that fight. Just punched Listen senseless. Like Listen and Ali (probably because of the rumble in the jungle) Trump show obvious signs of dementia. Probably why the Republican Establishment continue to let him entertain the crowds. All he is good for at this point.

  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Bob here to bring the average IQ down even farther. Have you ever had anything the least bit interesting to say? Nope. It’s just “derp derp derp.” Didn’t you have something to say about collusion? What’s up now, bobby? Nuffin, huh?

  76. Jean Henry
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    “I’m telling you this wall is a boondoggle. It’s a joke. I’m telling you one day it’s going to be a kitschy tourist stop for ironic hipsters. It’s going to be spray painted. It’s going to look like Cadillac Ranch. And people are going to take selfies at it. But it’s not going to start a multibillion-dollar Great Wall of China project. I promise you.

    There’s no way to build it. People in Mexico make jokes about it. They say hilarious things. Somebody told me, you know, it’s OK. When they build it, they’re going to hire us to build it, you know? And once it’s up, then we will run the concessions. We’ll take pictures. We’ll make tacos. We’ll have tours. And then when it’s time to take it down, they’ll hire us to take it back down. But it won’t stop anything. People are like, you know, they invented this thing called airplanes. There’s a thing called ships, you know?” — Luis Alberto Urrea

    Life is better outside of MM.com world. Outside of the Betsy DeVos Kingdom of Grand Rapids even.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/29/707974018/mexican-american-author-finds-inspiration-in-family-tragedy-and-trump

    Anonymous– I too appreciate the view into the world of Q that has been exposed to us here, but I give Mark very little credit. He has understandably avoided further contaminating his blog with too many mentions. HW was here for months before the theories he put forward were linked to Q. And when a few of us took him seriously, because of the larger context of the conspiracy theory, we were dismissed.

    I personally have no more to learn from HW or EOS. And I can’t take Wobblie seriously since learning he is a 9-11 false flag believer. Then we have FF just being your average GOP white man feeling a need to dismiss any idea that disrupts his world view and threatens his primacy. And we have iRobert being the average Dem whit man feeling a need to dismiss any idea that disrupts his world view and threatens his primacy. JB is here for entertainment as activism only. Lynne is smart and informed if stubborn and righteous but has drifted away to warmer shores.

    Worse yet, the jokes are bad. Sigh.

  77. Jean Henry
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Oh I forgot SAD who has turned from being a reliable pot-stirrer if sometimes apologist for assholes to a premature promoter of a talented but under-qualified presidential candidate. He’s so besotted as to not see that Mayor Pete is just angling for a federal appointment so he can get the hell out of Indiana. Here’s a prediction: Mayor Pete won’t get a foreign policy appointment.

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    You have everything to learn. We all do. Intelligence is unlimited but we have been living in a very stupid world. Forget all your preconceived notions and get back to perceiving clearly as a child does. Q has 3,304 posts as of right now. They contain a massive quantity of open-source information pointers that anyone can research. Half-baked articles? Why? Read the real thing as a thought experiment at least. Do you avoid challenges to your way of thinking?

  79. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    So Mueller concluded months before the midterm election there was no evidence of collusion. Is that well and good, do you think: not to wrap it up in advance of a major election? No effect on election results? How can we ever know?

  80. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, good to hear from you. Since no one else wants to find out what is going on with who controls our government, I looked into these N. Korean sanctions. Trump had tweeted out about a week ago that new specific sanctions that the Treasury Department had announced were not going to be imposed on N. Korea. According to a report in FreightWaves
    https://www.freightwaves.com/news/maritime/us-strengthens-shipping-sanctions-on-north-korea-and-syria
    “We haven’t received confirmation from the State Department, but there’s no reason to believe that the advisory isn’t still valid” despite the President’s sanctions reversal, a Coast Guard source told FreightWaves “the number 1 source for navigating the freight market”.

    JH, just want to get to the truth. Your 9-11 Truthers ie. 3200 plus Architects & Engineers have filed two lawsuits this year. The first is to compel a grand jury investigation into the 9-11 Terrorist Attack. The second is against the Justice Department and the FBI for its failure to look into specific evidence they had but which was never presented to any investigation. They are demanding the same transparency which Democrats want with the Mueller report.

  81. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    The Clinton’s took money from NXIVM members and now some of them have plead guilty to some ill shit. Their leader has additionally been charged with even iller shit involving children. Q said Rachel “Ray” Chandler is Allison Mack (NXIVM co-operating witness) “x 100”. If that person is in the news remember Q said it would happen.

  82. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Hahaha! Funny shit. Q said the people you are retweeting are stupid. The Make Noise for Q responses extrapolated to the size of the rally proves how massive this movement is. Thousands of Q people in one place!

    Q
    !!mG7VJxZNCI
    29 Mar 2019 – 4:48:08 PM

    Why did we highlight the rally last night by showcasing volume of support?
    Define ‘Bait’.
    How many FAKE NEWS Twitter journalists are tweeting about ‘Q’ today re: rally attendance last night?
    These people are stupid.
    Q

  83. Sad
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Come on a boy can dream.

    It’s early, we should be able to throw in with however we want. Lighten up.

    Old people will always turn up their noses at the youth.

    Some people don’t like Pete because he’s a politician. Imagine that?

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete

  84. Jean Henry
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    For Wobblie:
    http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/00%20WTC%20Collapse%20-%20What%20Did%20%26%20Did%20Not%20Cause%20It.pdf

    All we have learned here is that thousands of people can be damned fools at the same time.

  85. Jean Henry
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    SAD– I like Mayor Pete a lot, and I’m glad he’s in the race. He has a lot of potential. My issue with him is the same as it would be regardless of his age: Being mayor of a city smaller than Ann Arbor does not qualify one to be president, whose primary and almost exclusive responsibility is to command our armed forces and provide for our self-defense.

    What would you think if Mayor Taylor ran for President? He has more responsibility.

  86. Sad
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    You might want to research the difference between the way Ann Arbor and South Bend have structured their city government.

    Pete is the only candidate with military experience.

    I’ll always go with the outsider. If he can’t handle the campaign he’ll fall away pretty quickly.

    I’m not worried about being wrong. Especially if Bernie or Biden are right.

  87. Jean Henry
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Agreed there, SAD.

  88. Jean Henry
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    But you forgot Tulsi Gabbard, despite all Wobblie’s efforts.

  89. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, that is a 2008 paper. Much has been learned since then. But I will read it.
    Thoughts on Mueller investigation.
    1) This has always been an investigation controlled by Republicans. In the case of Mueller he has been a government law enforcement attorney his whole carrier. His mob busting activates have been touted as his bona fids for carrying out the Russian Hacking Trump campaign conspiracy.
    2) If the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russian government to hack the DNC was a crime, then under RICO a conspiracy to conspire with the Russian Government to hack the DNC was a crime. An actual crime does not have to have been committed for a RICO crime to have been committed. Doesn’t anyone think Mueller knows this.
    3) Last thought, the Mueller investigation ends just as the Democratic controlled committees in the House are beginning their hearings.

  90. wobblie
    Posted March 29, 2019 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Sad,
    Tulis has two tours of duty in the Middle East. 1st. tour was an enlisted person. Served in Iraq. 2nd tour as a jr. officier in Kuwait. She is currently a Major in the Hawaii National Guard. I understand that Pete was in military intelligence. I will try not to let my knee jerk rejection of spy’s put me off.

  91. The B-17 Bombardier Ghost
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 6:11 am | Permalink

    You’ve been fooled (again).

    There is more evudence of DC/Hollywood child sex trafficking rings than there is for Russian collusion. (See: Franklin Scandal, Dennis Hastert, Corey Feldman, Jeffrey Epstein)

    Is this really a stretch? That people in positions of power systematically prey on young children for sexual gratification? It is beyond fathomable how any person with an iota of reasonable sense could leave their child inside a Catholic Church ever again, yet hundreds of millions do it every week. Now that’s brainwashing.

    If you want to get caught up, see:
    1) FBI pedophile symbols and code words
    2) James Alefantis Instagram posts
    3) John Podesta Wikileaks e-mails

    You have the right to be an ignorant dumbass and pretend this is not happening.

    Q and followers have the right to turn darkness to light. Enjoy the show!

  92. John Brown
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    JH, Mayor Taylor is no Mayor Pete. That guy can’t articulate an inspiring vision to save his life.

    Competent on administration, I suppose. But no leader.

  93. wobblie
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Aloha, the Q-virus was explained by Alex Jones in his testimony defending himself in the defamation lawsuit against him for being a Sandy Hook hoaxer.

    Jones: Well, I’m just saying that the trauma of the media and the corporations lying so much, then everything begins — you don’t trust anything anymore, kind of like a child whose parents lie to them over and over again, well, pretty soon they don’t know what reality is.

    Jones doesn’t know what reality is, Glenn Beck was obviously deranged, and eventually like all virulent stains of hate the Q-virus will dissipate in the face of reality.

  94. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    “The B-17 Bombardier Ghost”

    Exactly correct. I’ve been telling these fools what is going on for two and a half years now but they hate me for it. Dark to Light!

  95. Sad
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    Nobody hates you HW. In spite of your rude behavior I might say. I do think it’s fascinating that the fringe right wants to become a strange version of the Vivian Girls. But great, save the children. There’s nothing negative anyone can say about that.

    Mayor Pete is practically a child. Maybe you should help him?

  96. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Oh, MY rude behavior? You must skip over thousands of posts about me. I have been extremely nice in comparison. How is it not hate for people like Jean and Peter and “John Brown” and people like that to say what they say about me? Just look up their quotes about me over the past two and a half years.

  97. Sad
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Just because others engage in bad behavior doesn’t give us a free pass to do the same.

    People are rightly very upset about President Trump.

    Maybe with Mayor Pete coming on the scene they’ll see the light at the end of the tunnel and relax a bit.

  98. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    I don’t think self-defense is bad.

  99. Sad
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    You and John Brown.

  100. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Whoever it is that does John Brown is offensive against me personally so I don’t think so. Not to mention trying to foment race war. You can’t be serious.

  101. Bob
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Here’s a different opinion. Maybe it’s time to stop allowing EOS or Hyboreiest Wartlord to post here. I understand that censorship of any kind is erongy. Or at least it used to be. I’m not so sure anymore. Things change and maybe this is one of them. Allowing these mental midgets any platform to push the ideas of Qanon crazy should maybe be over. Mark, I think I understand your admirable intent for the site and giving people the freedom to say whatever they want, even if it’s nuts. But perhaps it’s time to rethink? There is nothing to be gained from their stupid words. Nothing. Cut their heads off. Let them start their own stupid blogs and fade away into the obscurity their mom’s basement lairs deserve. Seriously.

  102. Bob
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    That one word should be wrong. I was paying homage to Jean Henry and her ham hands of editing

  103. Jean Henry
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Bob– permission to quote you on ‘Ham Hands of editing?’ I need to brush up my resume.

    I already use ‘paid propagandist’ culled from this site.

    PS I edit my posts with all the seriousness this space warrants.

  104. Jean Henry
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    JB– Even Mayor Pete is no Mayor Pete.

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete

    “In April 2001, a student group called the Progressive Student Labor Movement took over the offices of the university’s president, demanding a living wage for Harvard janitors and food workers. That spring, a daily diversion on the way to class was to see which national figure—Cornel West or Ted Kennedy one day, John Kerry or Robert Reich another—had turned up in the Yard to encourage the protesters.

    Striding past the protesters and the politicians addressing them, on my way to a “Pizza and Politics” session with a journalist like Matt Bai or a governor like Howard Dean, I did not guess that the students poised to have the greatest near-term impact were not the social justice warriors at the protests […] but a few mostly apolitical geeks who were quietly at work in Kirkland House [Zuckerberg et al.]

    I find this short passage very weird. See the way Buttigieg thinks here. He dismisses student labor activists with the right-wing pejorative “social justice warriors.” But more importantly, to this day it hasn’t even entered his mind that he could have joined the PSLM in the fight for a living wage. Activists are an alien species, one he “strides past” to go to “Pizza & Politics” sessions with governors and New York Times journalists. He didn’t consider, and still hasn’t considered, the moral quandary that should come with being a student at an elite school that doesn’t pay its janitors a living wage. (In fact, years later Harvard was still refusing to pay its workers decently.)”

  105. Jean Henry
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    PS SAD– If Mayor Pete was proudly choosing ‘pizza and politics’ over student activism, then he should have some damn policy proposals. I fear he is another wildly gesticulating empty hand. And we all know wild gesticulations are more palatable to the public coming from white men, who will never, ever be confused with the dreaded SJW’s,

  106. Sad
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    That’s why I shared that article earlier.

    I’m not looking for Jesus Christ. I’m looking for a politician who can represent my interest and wants to win.

    Plus I admire anyone with his brains that goes into public service. He could have just gone from McKinsey to a hedge fund or private equity and be making a gazillion dollars. As president he will be able to help a lot more people in addition to the Harvard janitorial staff.

    On the the bright side , you’ll like this HW, I heard there is a new internet provider of secret info aiming to help Mayor Pete- Queer Anon.

  107. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Yiiihhh, jus git em outta heeerrre. Ahm Bob an Ah doan lahk this konda purrsen comin round here!!! Da trooof is danjurus.

  108. Sad
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    I think you have to wait for him to announce he’s running before you can expect him to have a detailed policy positions. He’s busy running a city.

    Plus I thought it was too early to attack democratic hopefuls?

  109. Sad
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    I like you here HW.

    You’re a good representative of Trumps supporters.

  110. Jean Henry
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    He hasn’t announced yet???
    I’m undecided and will remain so until right before the election. Pete has a chance to win me over. I was initially impressed but now am skeptical. That’s based on his own presentation of his ideas. He has dismissed policy planning as necessary. That sounds a lot like Bernie to me.
    PS critique on policy and experience or lack thereof is not a personal attack. That’s what we should be talking about. This is a long ass job interview. Mayor Pete needs to do more than be articulate and smart. Are Warren, Harris, Yang etc not articulate and smart? What is it about Mayor Pete that attracts your early allegiance, SAD? Have you thought about that?

  111. EOS
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Mark maynard is too much a pussy to turn off comments, so he won’t. He’s actively making our community worse at this point. He needs to shut this cesspool down, but can’t give up his local celebrity status

  112. EOS
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    That was not me.

  113. Jean Henry
    Posted March 30, 2019 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    In Mark’s defense, I think it’s safe to assume HW’s posts here have converted zero people over to Qanon beliefs. EOS is the only possibility and even that’s doubtful. FF and SAD like to stir the pot but even SAD grows weary. HW comes here for conflict. IF we ignored him, he’d fade away. We all have diminishing returns on indulging him at this point. I have said before that it’s difficult not to respond because it’s bit like swatting at an annoying fly. But sometimes you just have to let the fly be and it flies off eventually.

  114. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    I’m not trying to convert anyone. I’m just talking about what I have learned. I enjoy seeing you fall because of how you have behaved in response to what I say. Initially I wrongly assumed people here are mature enough to simply talk. What do you expect when you declare war on someone and your only weapon is lies of mindless hate?

  115. John Brown
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    JH, I’m not a mayor Pete supporter, or favoring anyone yet. But he’s a great addition to the conversation and by representing gay married Midwest Afghanistan vets, he should help grow the electorate. All good.

  116. Sad
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    Ruining our community. Hah – hah – it’s one of the only interesting things in our community.

    Back to important matters.

    Yes, Mayor Pete is still in the exploratory phase of his campaign. He needed to test the waters to see if there was any interest from the American people in a young person running. Well, I think he knows the answer to that. I’m sure he has some policy ideas but hopefully he’ll work with experts to draw up policies that he can support and move forward.

    As Mayor Pete has consistently stated all the democratic candidates will probably be in agreement on 80% of the issues, if not more.

    I find Pete appealing because he’s young which is good in terms of the youth vote and moving this country forward. He is smart. For one thing he could speak to leader of other countries in their native tongues. He’s showed a willingness to sacrifice in order to do public service and his experience as a midwestern Mayor and in the military provide him a unique perspective. I like the values that he has elucidated as motivating his run for the presidency. I pragmatically also think he could do better in the Midwest than any other democratic candidate.

    And Why not? Especially at this point in the .primary? But in my heart of heart I would love ❤️ to have him be my President.

    End of story.

  117. Bob
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    HW, the thing is that you offer nothing. Nobody buys your nonsense. You don’t make convincing arguments about anything. You have zero charm even by asshole standards. Worst of all, you aren’t the least bit funny. Seriously. It’s almost a miracle how you manage to say so much without ever, even by accident, being the least bit funny or clever. It’s like the old “a million monkeys typing on a million typewriters will eventually type the works of Shakespeare” thing. As much excrement as you throw against the MM wall in a given week, and you still never manage a decent laugh. That’s some sad fucking miracle. We aren’t laughing at your words, we are laughing at you.

  118. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    But you serve up the nonsense. Everything you ever said about Trump/Russia is now on your dinner plate. I tell the truth. It’s a fact.

  119. Jean Henry
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    The young are not a monolith SAD. I think Mayor Pete is more likely to appeal to the over 40 set than many in his demo. And most of the young are left-leaning; they just don;t vote a lot. I have a hard time thinking he’s going to engage them enough to drive them to the polls. We’ll see. I’m looking forward to the debates. I pray they aren’t petty.

  120. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    You might as well start eating it for breakfast and lunch too if you ever want to get through with it. The Bullshit Diet: it’s sweeping the nation.

  121. Sad
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    All the wonderful new young people that came into congress in 2018 were helped by the surge in youth turnout. Mayor Pete might be able to turn that up even more.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/youth-turnout-midterm-2018/575092/

  122. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Mayor Pete might be the only one left after Q and the President are done sorting out the rest.

  123. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Kneel before my Sword of Light

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19X-g5jHRzI

  124. Sad
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    I’m pretty sure he’ll be the only one even without the help of Q. But if Q can help set up the Buttigieg vs. Trump race I’m all for it!

  125. Bob
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Yes, the Russian bullshit. Full vindication for the Trumpturd. A 400 page report that was summarized by a corrupt official famous for his Iran-contra crimes, appointed by Donald purely for his promise to squash it. It will all come out. There are already dozens of convictions. Numerous investigations still active. The southern district of NY looming. The corrupt republican Congress fighting it’s release. But he’s cleared. You silly boob.

  126. Bob
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Apologies to boobs. I like boobs. You don’t deserve mention in the same sentence with boobs. You’ve probably only seen your mothers but trust me, they’re cool.

  127. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    You are the laughing stock of the whole world. You like to say things like that about me but I think if you wrongly accuse or ridicule someone then you have to take it all back and put it on yourself. Not only do you wrongly accuse and harass and mock and say horrible things about people who tell the truth but your people who you support MADE IT ALL UP. This is bad bad bad for people like you. All you have now is this psychotic rage. Where does it come from? You can’t sustain it. No one likes it. It can’t help you win anything. You are fucked just like I always said you would be.

    This is only the start of the AVALANCHE. Get your sorry artificial flavor microwave popcorn out and TRY to enjoy the show. I know you have plenty of salt so that won’t be a problem I’m sure.

  128. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Regarding Jared Kushner:

    “Bob
    Posted November 7, 2017 at 10:16 am | Permalink
    He’s going to be very popular at federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.”

    Wishing rape upon someone is pretty ill. Maybe whoever typed that ought to be evaluated for psychopathy. If someone were to list all the disgusting and hateful things written here from the anti-Trump perspective it would be shocking.

  129. Bob
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    It’s a quote from Office Space but you are too dumb and busy in your Q chatrooms to watch a movie. Lord knows you are humor impaired. And back to the point you keep missing. It ain’t over, dickweed.

  130. Bob
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Also, I don’t care if they rape Trump and his family in prison or anywhere else. Rape it up. Once for every border kid that got sexually abused under his watch. Melania, Ivanka, Jarod. Rape away.

  131. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Psycho guy on my case. There are some 4,000 children trafficked into the USA for sex per year. You are against measures to reduce that number. In fact you vilify the President for trying to stop the flood while fighting against his ability to do so. The completeness of your idiocy is absolutely incredible.

  132. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Actually the point right now is Mueller found no evidence of Trump/Russia bullshit. Trump wants it released. You better hope there isn’t a motherlode of damning information on your side. Why would there not be if it is an honest investigation? We know the Dems paid for bogus Russian intel and the FBI used it to defraud the court to start the witch hunt. You have to deal with that and stop projecting what an idiot you are.

  133. Jean Henry
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Any word on that IOG report that will supposedly bring down the whole Clinton house of cards, sex rings etc, HW?

  134. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    You mean OIG? Not sure if that is going into crimes against children. NXIVM, who is connected to the CGI is under prosecution. Plaintiffs in the Epstein case are trying to have it re-opened. Two unnamed individuals trying to keep it sealed to protect themselves? You have to wonder who considering the high profile guests at Little St. James.

  135. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 31, 2019 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    March 31 2019:

    “He knew where the bodies were buried.”

    https://twitter.com/filthy_liberals/status/1112541008229736449

    “Dec 5 2017 00:24:14 (EST)
    Who knows where the bodies are buried?
    FLYNN is safe.
    We protect our Patriots.
    Q”

  136. iRobert
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    HW: “Plaintiffs in the Epstein case are trying to have it re-opened. Two unnamed individuals trying to keep it sealed to protect themselves?”

    Who do you think the unnamed individuals are? Many are suggesting they are WJC and DJT.

  137. iRobert
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    JH, who are your favorites in this field of 2020 challengers?

    Who would you expect to have the best odds of winning the general? Who would you most like to see run?

  138. Sad
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    Thank God!

    Mayor Pete actually pulled in a little money.

    He’s not dead in the water.

    JH is in the Yang Gang. He’s all the rage with the old hipster techie crowd in Ann Arbor!

  139. Jean Henry
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    I never choose until the last minute, iRobert. I don’t throw my support to any candidate early on. In the beginning, it feels like online dating, with people choosing candidates based on the most superficial of characteristics and deriding others based on assumptions. I gave Bernie money early on because I wanted him in the race. I don’t regret that, even though I think he would have been a terrible president. I have similarly given Yang a few bucks because I want him in the debates, only because he centers UBI, runs deep in knowledge of other evidence-based progressive policy options, and emphasizes the math (ie workable solutions). I have no expectation he will win and doubt I would want him to win. I want to see a primary that’s about progressive policy options, not Trump or character attacks. I know that’s likely naive, but I also believe that’s our only chance of winning.

    My gut goes to Warren, but that may be in response to how she’s being dismissed. The media (mainstream, progressive and otherwise) is already lining up against her the way they did against HRC. They are dismissive for no reason. And they aren’t focusing on her policy chops, just her supposed lack of charisma. They seem to forget that she has rallied many crowds and moved popular opinion in the past. So I’m watching the undermining of the female front runner again with interest. If Warren falls back, I susppect the woman that rises to the top will receive similar treatment. And no I don’t think it’s intentional. I think it’s the kind of narrative people are inclined to believe, no matter its validity. (And there’s plenty of documentation of this kind of implicit bias re women in power and especially towards those seeking to rise up to higher levels of power.)

  140. Sad
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    America hates women.

    Even a gay man is more acceptable than a woman.

    It makes me Sad, but I think it’s true.

  141. Sad
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    But if we have to have a man I’d prefer a gay one.

    Plus he’s religious which is bonus points.

    I watched a speech online from a Notre Dame LGBTQ thing he did the other night. He’s quite something.

  142. Jean Henry
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/opinion/women-leadership-jacinda-ardern.html

    Misogyny is a terrible reason to not support women candidates. By that argument, we would not have supported Obama either– and some didn’t.

    I suggest you start watching candidates other than mayor Pete, SAD. They are all impressive. He doesn’t have a lock hold on charisma and intelligence. While he may appeal to white Midwesterners, Mayor Pete is so far tone deaf on the concerns of POC. And they are the base of Dem support that needs to be mobilized to beat Trump. We can’t just assume their support and then cowtow to the demographic that denies there’s any need for a social justice movement if we have an economic justice agenda. That’s not going to play. It’s why Bernie lost.

    It’s interesting SAD that you dismiss Yang as a technocrat when Mayor Pete stated that Facebook was more positively transformative for our country than student activists.

    No surprise he got the donations…

  143. wobblie
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    Happy Trump is the best President in History day. Hope you all celebrate.

  144. Sad
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    I haven’t dismissed anyone. Otter than Bernie and Biden.

    I only have limited time and funds.

    The demographics of South Bend are interesting. I was surprised when I saw a picture of the South Bend city council. It’s certainly not Ann Arbor.

    The Students for Pete group did in interesting look at that hack piece from Current Affair or whatever it was.

  145. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    “Who do you think the unnamed individuals are? Many are suggesting they are WJC and DJT.”

    Best guess is Bill and Hill or Bill and Prince Andrew. I haven’t heard of DJT going to the island.

  146. Sad
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    Is there any chance it was Bernie going to the island?

  147. EOS
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Sure – misogyny.

    Or maybe it’s because she fraudulently claimed racial preference and accepted employment on that basis, thereby denying the position to someone who actually was in an under-represented category. And then she lied about it. And finally she produced genetic testing that proved how wrong she was to claim the preference.

    Or maybe it’s because she is one of the few lunatics that actually thinks the green new deal is a viable option.

    But I would encourage you to nominate her to head the ticket, you know -let her lose just to prove that Dims aren’t misogynists.

  148. Jean Henry
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    EOS– I never suggested Dems weren’t misogynistic. If you had read more carefully, you would see I was talking about the primary and so misogyny among Dems. I don’t believe any party or political perspective is immune to racial, religious or gender bias.

    Warren screwed up big time when she both used her remote Native ancestry in a job application and when she doubled down and indulged genetic testing to demonstrate that claim. Tribal membership is much more complicated than biology, varying from group to group but always entailing cultural participation, engagement and education. Warren isn’t a tribal member, and it shows. On the other hand, she apologized. And hopefully has taken her lesson. Such is the nature of progressives, not to claim perfect understanding but be willing to admit error and to work towards it. Such is not the nature of the morally certain.

    My interest in Warren as a candidate has little to do with her being female (not that there’s anything wrong with that; everyone has their own criteria). It’s all about policy and so far she has the most progressive policy agenda, with the numbers worked out.

    My interest in Warren as a female candidate, like HRC, is separate. As a feminist, I use that lens to look for patterns of exclusion and bias. I will identify bias and defend any candidate against it when I see it. That’s how feminism works. It’s one way of seeing our society. It’s not the only way or the right way and never claims to be so.

  149. EOS
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Jean,

    Your response is not credible.

    You support Pocahontas because she is a woman, in spite of her deceit and in spite of her support for the green new deal that is impossible to provide adequate funds to implement and which would destroy our economy. The numbers don’t work out. Most of the Dims are moving as far away from this ridiculous agenda as possible.

    I’m identifying your bias against all BUT women and against all logic and reason. And don’t distract us with the red herring of tribal membership. She claimed Native American Indian ethnicity, not tribal membership.

    Logic is important, even for those women who prefer to make judgements based on emotions. Until feminists like you can think rationally and logically, you will continue to diminish the opportunities available to all women.

  150. Jean Henry
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    EOS– it seems your reading comprehension is seriously damaged by your ideology.

  151. Jean Henry
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    SAD– the whole division between action on economic equity and social justice is a false one. “Identity politics’ is really just representation. It’s no threat to the potential for economic justice. It’s been positioned as such to protect white male privilege. Period. We do not need to make that false choice now. We don’t need it to win (that was another self-serving narrative). Incorporating those efforts is, in fact, the only way to move beyond divisiveness in the party and the country. And at some point, the left needs to shed those who can’t get with BOTH agendas.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/20/sanders-elizabeth-warren-feminism-identity

  152. wobblie
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, I think it is great that EOS wants to engage in identity politics. Warren’s DNA test in fact demonstrates that she does have native american ancestry. Being native american is only tangentially associated with being an member of a Native American Tribe (different Tribes have different requirements). And of course we have multiple types of Native American Tribes. Many have Federal Recognition, but many do not. Some Federally Recognized Tribes have many members who have none, or very little indigenous american DNA, I’m thinking specifically of the Seminoles, but some of the other southern tribes have more mulato and black blood lines than indigenous american.
    I want a President for all Americans. That is why I am supporting Tulsi Gabbard. She has the courage to stand up to the Generals and Lobbyist, and end these senseless regime change wars. EOS, we end the wars and the new nuclear arms race and the peace dividend will pay for more than just the Green New Deal.

  153. EOS
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Well wobblie,

    If that’s your standard of ethnicity, then everyone should check any box they choose. That’s one way to end affirmative action. The boxes don’t ask if you are a member of any Native American Tribe. There are many tribes that have sold membership at a price, so that the new members can share in the casino revenue.

    If we stop paying for defense, then we won’t have to worry about any future elections at all. Better start learning Chinese. They certainly aren’t diverting defense spending.

    What’s up with all this aloha?

  154. Sad
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Ha ha – EOS is still backing the porn star presidency. He loves a leader who’s out cheating on his wife and using his wealth to gold plate everything in his house and bolster his ego! EOS loves a president who’s doing all he can to demonize poor immigrants! How much your Christian values shine through EOS.

    One of the nice things about Mayor Pete is he’s good at reading. Apparently he’s even been able to understand the message of the gospels. Imagine that? 2020 will be about values and EOS with his support of Trump has made clear what kind of leader “ Christians” value.

  155. Sad
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Tulsi is from Hawaii EOS. Those the alohas. Do you even read anything about the world beyond your born again pamphlets?

  156. EOS
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    @ Sad,

    If Mayor Pete understands the Gospels, why is he in the Democratic party? Why does he support abortion on demand and encourage women to kill any offspring they deem inconvenient or that are not genetically perfect? Why does he want a secular government to take money from other people who have earned it and give it to those who choose not to work, thereby preventing the earners from using it to further Kingdom goals? Why is he seeking the highest office in the country rather than remaining humble. Why doesn’t he collect money to feed the poor and heal the sick rather than to finance his political aspirations? Why does he support behaviors that God has called an abominable?

    The message of the Gospel is that God loves us, He sent His only Son to die for us, and freely gives eternal life to everyone who repents and believes the things He has revealed to us.

    Giving more money to the government so that it can be redistributed based on secular values is not in the Gospel at all.

    BTW, I’m not a Republican, I don’t support Trump, and you don’t define my religious values.

  157. Sad
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Matt.7. [1] Judge not, that ye be not judged. [2] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. [3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    And isn’t there something about if you want to follow him give all you have away and come?

    I think Mayor Pete has pursued a life of service. He sure could have done something a lot more lucrative than be the mayor of South Bend. Did you ever think that if there were more social supports available to women they might not pursue abortion? Oh, but that might require taxing Trump a bit more so he can’t live in such decadent splendor.

    You clearly express your religious values. You just might not be aware how it comes off to other people.

  158. wobblie
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Aloha EOS, I have never seen a form that ask, “Are you a member of a Federally Recognized Native American Tribe”. But I have seen plenty of forms that ask “race”. In Louisiana, you were classified as “negro” if you had 1/16th ancestry “black”. I have both Asian and Jewish ancestery, but my American Swiss and Polish ancestry is what I usually tell folks. It is illegal to give “preference” to one person over another based on race, so it made no difference what if anything Warren answered on a job application that ask a question that is only for statistical purposes and can not be used in determining her qualifications for the job. Now that we have gender reassignment, I don’t see anything wrong with promoting one element of your ancestry over another.
    Aloha is a Hawaiian term that as Tulis explains it means, love and respect to you.

  159. wobblie
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Here is an explanation of Aloha
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNApSdebfm8

  160. EOS
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Sad,

    Read the rest of the chapter, particularly Matt 7:13 – 29. Taking isolated scriptures out of context leads a person to false conclusions. There is a big difference between judging a person and inspecting the fruit of their actions.

  161. EOS
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Thanks for the video. If Warren was 1/16 Native American no one would have objected. Except it was determined to be Somewhere around 1/2000th, which probably the majority can claim.

    I haven’t read that anyone believes that she wasn’t qualified to be a professor. But there were a number of others who were qualified as well. It may be that because she could check two boxes, she was offered the position rather than another person who could only check one.

  162. Jean Henry
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    SAD– you are drinking the koolaid.
    1)every single candidate has pursued a life of service despite having the capacity for higher paying jobs
    2) They all know that a ‘life of service’ at a high level is a lower paying ladder leads directly to the highest paying jobs after said public service. Not too mention a lot of power.
    3) He’s running for president. Anyone who plays humble while running for president of the united states is full of shit.

    Cults of personality. Don’t fall for the hype.

    Seriously, we have to be smarter than buying into the narrative we like or hate the most.

  163. Jean Henry
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    1. I will have a child if I want one, and no moral pressure, institution or economic imperative will compel me to do so. This is my political power. As any kind of producer, I can, while waiting for improvement, put pressure on society through my production (child strike).
    2. I will have a child if I want one and if the society I will be bringing it into is suitable for me, if it will not make me a slave to that child, its nurse, its maid, its punchbag.
    3. I will have a child if I want one, if society is suitable for both me and it, I am responsible for it, no risk of war, no work subject to whims.

    https://343sluts.wordpress.com

    1971. Holds.

  164. iRobert
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m hoping a decent human being will challenge Trump in the GOP primaries. There must be at least one left out there somewhere. Maybe I can talk EOS or FF into running.

  165. Sad
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    I wasn’t comparing him to other candidates. I was replying to EOS.

    Good people deserve support. It’s important to champion individuals who promote your values. Everyone does it. If they don’t have support they can’t compete. If no one knows who they are they can’t compete. I would never tell Wobblie not to support Tulsi. If she represents values he supports he should promote her. It’s good for her, it’s good for him, it’s good for everyone.

    There’s a lot of great candidates out there and I look forward to seeing what they have to say.

    Except Bernie and Biden.

  166. EOS
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    iRobert,

    The Dims have a lot of people throwing their hat in the ring this time, just as the Republicans did last time. Multiple candidates split the vote, enabling an outsider like Trump to garner the largest share. Choosing one of many makes the majority disappointed that their candidate didn’t win. The Dims are so fractured they won’t coalesce behind a unifying candidate and will end up throwing the election to Trump again.

    Republicans should work on establishing a great candidate for 2024 after 4 more years of Trump. If Trump gets one or two more SC justices appointed we have an opportunity to make long lasting changes for the better for years to come. Conservatives will hold their noses and their breaths and vote for the lesser evil again.

  167. Sad
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Don’t worry.

    Everyone says Trump is going to win.

    Nobody knows who Mayor Pete is.

    And when informed that he’s gay shake their heads and say he’ll never be president.

    Oh well.

  168. Jean Henry
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Sad— I was challenging the early and forthright commitment to a candidate, not this particular candidate. No one running for president is self sacrificing and humble. Why are you leaning in on this bullshit? Policy matters. Vision matters. You keep talking about everything that shouldn’t matter in anyone’s decision about who to vote for.

    It’s odd and I still don’t believe you’ve clarified why mayor Pete over the others who share almost every characteristic you’ve held up as important so far.
    Why mayor Pete? why so soon? Is this some kind of popularity contest? Are we voting for prom queen?

  169. Anonymous
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    When did EOS start with the name calling? He never did that before.

  170. iRobert
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    EOS,

    Is that a “no” to my request that you run for president and challenge Trump in the primaries?

    By the way, the GOP was deliberately flooded in 2016 for the purpose of making Trump the candidate. The number of candidates is usually controlled by party officials. In 2016, party officials were blocked from managing the field of candidates, through deals and threats.

    Trump is being used, and not just as a diversion from what would otherwise be very unpopular changes. He’s also being used to cripple the GOP at other levels. It’s all a set up.

  171. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    I don’t want to say anything positive about Tulsi out of fear that it will sabotage your aloha project. But I did want to mention I find it pretty shocking to hear people on mm.com say that “all the progressive hopefuls seem great” without specifically mentioning Tulsi. I might be about it, but I sense a huge resistance, on the part of progressives/ democrats and MSM, to even mention Tulsi. Do you agree? Do you find it interesting? Do you have a theory why so many people seem to go out of their way to avoid talking about her?

  172. Posted April 1, 2019 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    So, EOS, why do you think the Trump campaign is so intent on shutting down a primary challenge? The reason isn’t of course is because Trump could easily be beat by a moral, intelligent, coherent, sane, Reaganesque challenger.

    From MSNBC yesterday:

    Could Bill Weld pose challenge to Trump in 2020 GOP primary?

    https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/could-bill-weld-pose-challenge-to-trump-in-2020-gop-primary-1468747843687

  173. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    oops, *I might be wrong about it, but…

  174. iRobert
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    FF, what are your feelings about a challenge to Trump in the GOP primaries, by a moral, intelligent, coherent, sane candidate?

  175. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    I am not a Republican, iRobert. I am not sure Weld would serve a function. He would get destroyed anyway. No pizzazz.

  176. iRobert
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Trump is extremely vaulnerable in early primaries. What do you think about a moral, intelligent, coherent, sane candidate? Would that challenger get your vote, or would you stick with Trump?

  177. iRobert
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    I’m not a Republican either. I’m an independent. I vote for some Republicans, and in some Republican primaries. I voted for Kasich in 2016 and will almost certainly be voting for whoever challenges Trump in the primaries.

  178. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 1, 2019 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    It’s hard to say.

  179. iRobert
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Really? What would make that a difficult choice?

  180. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    sketchy hypothetical + actual moving parts= difficult to say

  181. iRobert
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 3:41 am | Permalink

    For me, it’s hard to imagine a challenger I wouldn’t prefer. Having a guy in the highest office in the land behaving like Trump does is very unnerving to me.

  182. EOS
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    No. Choosing anyone except the incumbent is a strategy designed to aid Dems. The Reps or an independent party need to focus on a great candidate for 2024.

  183. EOS
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 4:52 am | Permalink

    I think most Dems who voted in the Rep primary chose Trump. It was a strategy that backfired.

  184. wobblie
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    Aloha FF, I think it is because the same folks that own the businesses that make up the military/security/industrial complex also own almost all the media. Anything that disrupts the notion that the US is the “exceptional nation” with the right to impose our will on the “mexicans” ( current term for those who are not doing things the way our elite want) are ostracized from the media or if talked about, only in negative ways.

  185. iRobert
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    For me, EOS, I’d rather have a moral, intelligent, knowledgable, coherent, sane, individual of either party replace Trump.

    I would like to see two such individuals challenging Trump – one in the Republican primaries, and one in the general. Two chances to get this character out of office in 2020 would be the ideal.

    If Weld announces, making it official he is running, I’ll definitely make a significant contribution to his campaign in the early primaries/caucus.

    There are too many risks involved, and the risks are too great, not to make as much of an attempt to replace Trump as possible.

  186. iRobert
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    The damage five and a half more years of Trump will do to the moral fiber of this country is simply too great. The risks of a serious crisis occurring, which requires an actual functioning adult in the Oval Office , is also too great.

    Ideally, for Republicans, a Reaganesque individual should stand up and make the case, similarly to the way Reagan himself did in the 1980 primaries to beat Bush to the nomination.

    We should not allow ourselves to be lulled into supporting this cynical symbol of immorality, ignorance, and chaos. Morality is always the priority. Everything else must be made to bend to it. It should not be put on hold for any excuse.

    If we set aside morality, security, stability, and the proper image we are supposed to be providing to our young people for another five and a half years, the consequences will far outweigh any partisan gain we may think we’ve gained. And I am sure there will just be another excuse in 2024 to put all of our highest values in hold again. That’s what this con is all about.

  187. EOS
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    I don’t care for him personally, but I think he has already accomplished more than the last few administrations, and he has been able to do this in spite of enormous resistance from the deep state. If his attorney general brings charges against those who lied to the FISA court and those whose actions have been treasonous, then he will be a lock for president during the next election. And I also hope he gets to appoint two more SC justices.

    Robert, you are too transparent. You will say or do anything to elect a Democrat, as will many other political hacks.

  188. EOS
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    And I think the Democratic agenda is far more harmful to the moral fabric of our society and to our children than any individual.

  189. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    “Aloha, FF I think it is because the same folks that own the businesses that make up the military/security/industrial complex also own almost all the media.”

    Yeah, I think it is her non-interventionist stance that is the problem. It is not just resulting in non-coverage either. Media have practically called her a Russian puppet.

    I think people should take note on how she is being discussed. People should take note of why she is being discussed the way she is being discussed

  190. wobblie
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Aloha FF, It sounds like you want to take over my Putin Puppet duties.

  191. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    We would have to ask Putin first. He already has me doing other things for him.

  192. iRobert
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    EOS: “Robert, you are too transparent. You will say or do anything to elect a Democrat, as will many other political hacks.”

    Apparently I’m not transparent enough for you though, because I genuinely would rather see a Republican beat Trump in 2020 than a Democrat. I’d prefer a Republican president with a Democratic congress. Divided government works best, and does the least damage.

    A viable Republican challenger will have to wait until the last moment possible to announce. Otherwise the Trump campaign will flood the field again with candidates to dilute the opposition.

    I might even take a month away from work to go campaign for the Republican challenger in Iowa and New Hampshire.

    It would also be a good thing if a genuine conservative runs in the general as an independent.

    Also, EOS, Trump’s attorney general will not be bringing charges against those who lied to the FISA court or anyone’s treasonous acts. Just as the thousands of sealed indictments HW talks about are never going to be unsealed. You are being conned.

  193. Satan
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Don’t listen to him. He’s a deceiver. Don’t think of it as selling your souls. It’s more like leasing them out for the short term. In 2024 you’ll have them back.

  194. Anonymous
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    FF,

    I see the weather is finally turning warmer. Isn’t it a better use of your time dusting off the roadster and taking it for a spin to get rid of the winter blues? A couple of more months and the club pool will be open as well.

  195. Jean Henry
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    I forget how incredibly stupid the US electorate are, even with my exposure to so much idiocy here among the Maytards. I guess it is a popularity contest. I guess we are THAT easily manipulated. I guess I give up. fuck politics. Trump is surely going to win again if we insist on dumbing down the process to the level of the electorate. We have a good slate of candidates who could talk about what pregressivism offers a broad swathe of the American people– most American people. Who could point out how much we have in common– how much the majority of Americans support progressive polocies even if they don;t call themselves progressives. We could do that, but instead we are going to skew to who has the best narrative/character– which will inevitably lead to attacks on character. And then we fucking lose and Trump wins. We have to offer the people something more than charm and downhome populism. We have to talk about the economy and higher values of fairness and equity and overcoming divisions. But we won’t.

    The left IS as stupid as the right. In that we refuse to be either smart about policy or smart about strategy and keep choosing narratives of limited appeal, we may be more stupid.

    https://twitter.com/PelosiForSF/status/1112854794228645888

  196. Jean Henry
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    You know who wins when we get petty and judgmental? Not the candidate with highest moral character but the one who plays dirtiest. The biggest asshole who doesn’t give a shit what others think. And that’s Trump any day of the week.

  197. iRobert
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    You should get more involved in politics, Jean. As much as you hate it, it’s still your responsibility as a citizen.

  198. Jean Henry
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    I do plenty in activism and organizing. And my business focuses on meaningful change/sustainability for mostly small independent businesses and non profits. I try to avoid politics. 90% of the real work on progress happens elsewhere. I’m interested in using my time wisely, which makes my presence here confounding to me…

    Also I believe most political strategists to be both corrupt and wrong. As much as the US electorate of all stripes pisses me off with their relentless and often bigoted shallowness, the politicos whose Work is to manipulate those flaws (at least if they take the easy path) are worse. So much worse.

    You have to be far to comfortable with mediocrity to work in politics today.

    I like being a thorn in the side—- time allowing.

  199. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    iRobert,

    Your questions about Bill Weld seemed a bit out of left field. Did you think I was kind of trying to promote Tulsi because I am hoping she could have a Jill Stein effect? I was not. I don’t play around like that. Tulsi seems smart and honest. By comparison, she makes the rest of the Democrat hopefuls look sort of dishonest and clownish, imo. Her distrust of Hillary and willingness to accept that Trump is actually our elected president earned my respect.

    Outside of Wobblie it does not seem like many people want to talk about Tulsi. I was wondering why.

  200. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Good one, Anonymous. You are full of whit.

  201. Jean Henry
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Aloha FF– It’s early in the race. We are all just brushing up on the candidates. I personally check out the candidates my friends recommend. Wobblie is a regular scolding and extremist presence here, as well as being a 9-11 truther. That doesn’t inspire confidence. Wobblie’s advocacy for Tulsi put her at the end of my list of the candidates to explore. So you may be looking at a microcosm effect rather than something representative of a larger phenomenon. What I know about Tulsi I have liked. But I don’t know much. I suspect most people here feel the same. There’s plenty of time before the primary.

  202. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    That makes sense. It is early… I voted for the downtown park primarily because I did know much about it other than the fact that you opposed it. I later regretted it after I gathered more info.

    Oops.

  203. iRobert
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    FF,

    It was Monday at 5:33pm that I posted this comment: “I’m hoping a decent human being will challenge Trump in the GOP primaries. There must be at least one left out there somewhere. Maybe I can talk EOS or FF into running.”

    It wasn’t until 10:47pm Monday that you made your comment regarding Tulsi, which was also your first comment on this thread.

    I’m good. But I’m not that good. I can’t see into the future. So, no, my comments were not in response to anything you said.

    Also, I was pro-Tulsi before Wobblie made it cool. Every time I’ve brought her up here over the past two years, everyone her just ignored me.

  204. iRobert
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    If the Michigan Democratic presidential primary were today, and I were voting in it, I would be voting for Tulsi.

  205. Jean Henry
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    FF there’s no excuse not to be informed when voting. Oh well. I will certainly be informed about all the candidates well before the MI primary. I’m surprised you would be so poorly informed. But then Pete voted for Ali, so it’s not just you.

    I used to trust the collective wisdom would overcome individual ignorance in voting. I’m no longer confident about that.

  206. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Sorry mom. Everybody is doing the best they can with the information they have.

  207. wobblie
    Posted April 2, 2019 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, Thank you for recognizing that I am an extremest in the pursuit of Truth, Justice and the American Way. I’m sorry that I’m a “scolding presence”, I think of myself as a crotchety old man, may not be any difference. IR, you maybe the reason that I am now 100% with Tulsi. I don’t comment on everything I read here and I have not read everything that appears on this site.

  208. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Did you and Jean have a discussion regarding the 9/11 attacks? There was disagreement between the two of you about some aspects of it?

  209. wobblie
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Aloha IR, I am in favor of the victims getting there day in court. There are two civil lawsuits that have been brought by “9-11 Truthers”, one is to compel the presentation of evidence that has been discovered over the last 18 years to a Federal Grand Jury. The second is a corollary lawsuit, that would compel the Federal Prosecutor to follow up with the result of that Grand Jury investigation. The only trials we have had of the perpetrators of that attack were secret military tribunals that relied upon evidence taken under torture. Check out Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth. If what the NIST report states is true, then every high rise building is a potential death trap. We had 3 high rises collapse into there own foot print at free fall speed, and yet not a single change in building codes to reflect our desire to make buildings safer. Seems odd to me.

  210. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Jean had a problem with that?

  211. Jean Henry
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth is a bullshit organization. I don’t care if they review the case, although it is a waste of time and money.

    I object to 9-11 false flag conspiracies on many grounds. The primary one being it makes no sense to kill thousands of our own citizens as justification for war. We invaded Iraq on much more easily constructed false justifications than that. It’s non-sensical and paranoid.

    I don’t take seriously people who take conspiracy theories seriously.

  212. Jean Henry
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    iRobert– It’s the nature of conspiracists to couch their paranoia in reasonableness. Climate denialists do the same thing. It’s all just logical– so long as you ignore any information that contradicts your narrative and overinflate/distort the validity of those that do.

  213. Jean Henry
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42195513

  214. Jean Henry
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/11/16/the-truthers-and/Y3RrUaEHaOakG60crFM9bK/story.html

  215. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    So, Jean, have you read the stuff Wobblie is talking about, or do you dismiss it out of hand?

    You don’t believe any “conspiracists” or “conspiracy theories?” Do you believe the attack in the Gulf of Tonkin was not a false flag event?

  216. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    You don’t see any harm in complete transparency regarding the 9/11 attacks do you?

  217. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Insulting the many crazy people who gravitate to every conspiracy theory isn’t an argument in either direction regarding the events the theories center around. You understand that, don’t you?

  218. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Interesting that 9-11 truth is gaining traction in the Trump era, Wob.

    Interview Sept. 11, 2001 “I think there were bombs that went off almost simultaneously.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8US9mgIYuC8

  219. wobblie
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW and IR, Why any one chooses to believe the professional liars who make up our “intelligence community” is quite simply beyond me. JH, dismisses “conspiracy theories” and yet the established 9-11 narrative is nothing but a conspiracy theory. The “intelligence community” has been lying to me my entire life. They lied to us about the Bay of Pigs, They lied to us about the repeated attempts to assassinate Castro. We know they lied to us about the Kennedy Assassination– both LBJ and Earl Warren talk about the conspiracy they engaged in with J. Edgar to ensure that the Warren Commission did not follow the evidence trail towards Russia or Cuba (likely suspects given our repeated attempts to kill Castro). Thanks to the Congressional Committee on Assassinations we know there was a conspiracy, we just don’t know who all it involved. Thanks to the Church Committee we know of a host of other illegalities the “intelligence community” engaged in. We know, thanks to the Iran Contra investigation, that political operatives for the Republican Party engaged in a conspiracy with Iran to keep our people hostage (many of those operatives were and are members of the “intelligence community”). We know they illegally sold weapons to Iran in order to finance their illegal wars in Nicaragua and El Salvador. We know they lied us into regime change wars, which we have now been fighting for 16 plus years.
    The absolute naivete and gullibility of most American is a very sad state of affairs.

    Most people are unaware that 3 buildings collapsed on the WTC site on 9-11. Only two were hit by jets. The 3rd. WTC 7 only had asymmetrical damage caused by falling debris, and normal office fires. It collapsed at free fall speed symmetrically. Everything we know about physics states that this could not happen.

  220. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Very intelligent post wobblie. I agree with all of that. I would name the primary operative as GHWB.

  221. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Jean says “it makes no sense to kill thousands of our own citizens as justification for war. We invaded Iraq on much more easily constructed false justifications than that. It’s non-sensical and paranoid.”

    The 9/11 attacks dramatically changed general opinion in the US and the rest of the world regarding much more than simply establishing justification to invade one country. It provided public support for the invasion of many countries, and military actions in so many more, all for the cause of fighting terrorists.

    Your statement is simply false on the face of it.

  222. Sad
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    It’s great you all are getting this information out to the public!

  223. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    All I did was ask some questions and then pointed out that Jean said something that simply wasn’t true.

    How do you feel about complete disclosure and transparency, Sad? Are you for it in some cases and against it in others?

  224. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    That was a question, Sad. I even kept it simple for you.

  225. Sad
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    What does that have to do with Mayor Pete?

    Hey HW, a lot of my fellow dems are attacking Mayor Pete because he’s a white man.

    Does that make you mad?

  226. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    I like Mayor Pete referring to the “porn-star President.” It makes Trump sound sexy.

  227. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    At first I thought your question about Mayor Pete was a joke, Sad, but then I glanced at a few online articles that tried to answer the questions “is mayor Pete gay enough” and “is Mayor Pete just another white guy”. Question: Do you meet people with these types of concerns in your real life? If so, how prevalent are those types of concerns, in your opinion?

  228. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry FF. I thought you knew. Maytards can’t answer questions. They’re afraid of catching the Q-virus.

  229. Sad
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    I’ve encountered a lot of people that are upset that Mayor Pete isn’t a woman. Or black. Or Asian.

    But most people don’t know who he is.

  230. Sad
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    And now they want to hang Mayor Pete up by his socks because he’s not for free college for everyone. Traitor!

  231. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Boy did you bet on the wrong horse, Sad.

    Sad.

  232. Jean Henry
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    First Iraq invasion (which I also opposed) was before 9-11 and Americans were geeked a/f for that one. Sure, Americans were more gung ho for war after 9-11 (duh) but it wasn;t necessary to go to war. The President has substantial War Powers. They don;t need our approval to invade. They would certainly not kill thousands of mostly wealthy people in the financial ditrict (of all places) of the most densely populous city in America to win a war popularity contest. It’s absurd to imagine anyone would think that’s necessary much less get the coordinated efforts of many US citizens to pull it off without a leak.

    Near as I can tell most of the regular commenters on MM.com believe there’s some validity to 9-11 truther theories. HW, Wobblie, iRobert, EOS, maybe SAD. FF– what do you think?

    What an embarrassment.

  233. Jean Henry
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    PS Prediction– the progressive vote will be split among many candidates (SAD will do his part) and the Dem primary will go to Biden– if he runs.

  234. Sad
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    I don’t believe in most conspiracy theories. Except the one about how the DNC conspired to keep Bernie out.

    Pete will win. He’s the only one who has a story and is telling a story. It will be fun to watch him go up against Trump. I love Harris but can’t see her pulling the Midwest. Beto seems like an empty suit. Castro has low charisma. Warren seems tired. Tulsi isn’t even trying. Bernie is Bernie. Biden is too problematic. The rest are marginal at best.

    Mayor Pete is going to have to work really really hard. But that’s the kinda thing an ambitious young person loves to do.

  235. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Jean: “First Iraq invasion (which I also opposed) was before 9-11 and Americans were geeked a/f for that one.”

    Actually, Hussein has to invade Kuwait for there to be justification in most peoples minds for an invasion of Iraq. Did you forget that detail. It’s odd that you didn’t mention it.

    Jean: “Sure, Americans were more gung ho for war after 9-11 (duh) but it wasn;t necessary to go to war.”

    It certainly was what turned public opinion dramatically in favor of attacking Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as for waging an ongoing global war against terrorist groups spread throughout several other countries. Without 9/11, the popular support for all of this would have certainly not existed.

    Jean: “The President has substantial War Powers. They don;t need our approval to invade.”

    Without substantial justification, the administration would have been met with extraordinary opposition in Congress, as well as with the general pubic and with our allies and major adversaries. Essentially all experts agree on that.

    Jean: “They would certainly not kill thousands of mostly wealthy people in the financial ditrict (of all places) of the most densely populous city in America to win a war popularity contest.”

    The people that died on 9/11 were mostly working class and relatively lower level employees. It was remarkable that the death toll was not much higher considering the number of people who were usually in the towers at that time in the morning.

    Jean: “It’s absurd to imagine anyone would think that’s necessary much less get the coordinated efforts of many US citizens to pull it off without a leak.”

    Only a very uninformed and disinterested individual would characterize what happened on 9/11 as having been pulled off “without a leak.” You should read more of the official records relating to the events of that day and of the weeks leading up to it.

    Jean: “Near as I can tell most of the regular commenters on MM.com believe there’s some validity to 9-11 truther theories. HW, Wobblie, iRobert, EOS, maybe SAD. FF– what do you think?”

    It has been fairly well established that the Saudi government was involved in some capacity. Any serious examination of the details reveals impossibilities in the official story. Many officials involved in the absurdly restricted investigation have acknowledged publicly that the commission report was a white-wash.

    The government has maintained an absurd degree of secrecy on every aspect of the official handling of the matter. Any suspicions anyone would have regarding the events of that day are entirely due to the utter lack of transparency and outright cover-up with which it has all been handled, and continues to be.

  236. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Jean, I have some respect for your opinions on issues which you’ve had enough interest in to actually read a bit about. I know you do your homework when you’re motivated. That is why it is very obvious to me you have zero motivation regarding this topic, because that is your level of knowledge.

  237. Sad
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get it iRobert, as you know i’m a little slow. The whole thing was staged just to go to war and spend a lot of money? What did the nefarious actors behind 9-11 gain from the whole endeavor?

  238. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Jean,

    I have not given much thought to alternate theories around the events of 9/11. 9/11 happened in a period of my life where I was not really engaged with that type of information. Nothing would surprise me though. I certainly don’t find it sad that Wobblie wants to know more or that Wobblie thinks some things around 9/11 are amiss…

    I have said it before and I will say it again. I once won the mega millions of insider information and when I compare what really happened to what we were told happened it makes me highly skeptical of anything the media tries to tell me…Even without hitting the “information jackpot” on that particular historical event I think it is normal to be skeptical. It is not debatable that we have been lied to a lot throughout history…There is a long history of lies we have been told…I find it odd that so many educated and politically engaged middle-aged people do not recognize that history of lies. The trust that the average liberal minded person seems to have in intelligence agencies is a twist I was not expecting.

  239. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Sad and Jean,

    Just as your suspicions that the Trump Campaign colluded with Russian intelligence agents was largely fed by the Trump Asministration’s resistance to transparency on the matter and resistance to investigation, most 9/11 suspicions are directly attributable to the absurd lack of proper investigation and transparancy with which every aspect of how those attacks have been handled. In a free society, openness and transparancy is the answer to these suspicions, and essential to maintaining public trust and support.

  240. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Sad,

    As slow as you clearly are, Sad, I still have confidence that with just a little bit more thought you could answer your own questions there. I’ll give you a chance before I embarrass you further.

  241. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Sad,

    I know you have great difficulty answering simple questions, but I can assure you that answering the right questions is the most effective means to learning.

    So I’ll ask you these somewhat obvious questions with no expectation that you’ll make any effort to answer them.

    In response to your question “The whole thing was staged just to go to war and spend a lot of money?”

    What do you think that money was spent on? Where do you think that money came from and where did it end up?

  242. Sad
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    I thought my support for Mayor Pete proved that I can’t be embarrassed.

    I don’t know. The money was spent on the military industrial omplex and the money came from the banks, the Chinese? I give. You know you’re smarter , why toy with me? Just lay it out. Or your interest in transparency only applies to others?

  243. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Your snarky obnoxiousness begs to be toyed with. The proper way for one to address their own ignorance is to seek knowledge and understanding. Attempting to shield oneself from exposure by being snarky and obnoxious only preserves your ignorance and provokes others to put you in your place.

    So, Sad, are you really so uninformed and uneducated that you don’t know where the trillions spent on the war on terror have come from? That’s an easy one. Explaining where it all went is a bit more involved. Maybe someone else can help you with this grade school stuff. Maybe read a paper once in a while.

  244. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    The expectation of transparency only applies to government and public institutions. I naturally have no interest in “transparency” from individuals. That was either just another one of your rediculous attenpts as snarkyness and avoidance, or you have much poorer comprehension than even I estimated. I expect pretty little.

  245. iRobert
    Posted April 4, 2019 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Frosted Flakes,

    I have gotten a lot of insider stories which ran very contrary to official stories. One I don’t mind sharing here cake from an attorney I met through the Edwards campaign in 2007 who made his living representing clients in cases which required extraordinary security measures. He would be called in as part of a team of attorneys which would be assembled for court proceedings where his clients lives would be under threat for their testifying.

    This attorney told me he was a college student in New York in 1971 and was part of a protest outside the Attica Prison during the uprising there. He said he witnessed first hand the execution of the instigators, and it wasn’t at all like it was said to have played out in the media. He said the guys he saw executed by police were restrained already, and then forced to the ground and shot in the head execution style. He was shocked and sure the media would find out and report it. But that never happened. He said it was a big part of why he went into criminal law.

  246. iRobert
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    Frosted Flakes,

    You’ve communicated back and forth with Sad at some length in the past. We’re you able to discern whether or not he is capable of any level of intelligent, serious conversation? I don’t want to have to go back through all his comments here hunting for one that shows he has moments of authenticity.

  247. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    “I don’t believe in most conspiracy theories. Except the one about how the DNC conspired to keep Bernie out.”

    I thought the conspiracy to keep Bernie out was a confirmed fact. Not a theory. Am I wrong?

  248. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    I don’t understand Sad, iRobert.

  249. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Thanks for the Attica story. I am glad your attorney friend was not paralyzed by the curse of knowing the truth amid the lies. Ignorance can be bliss.

  250. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Gillibrand’s father employed by NXIVM

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/court-docs-confirm-kirsten-gillibrands-father-worked-for-the-nxivm-sex-cult/?utm_content=buffer4998c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  251. Posted April 5, 2019 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    From the Washington Examiner:

    40 percent of Iowa Republicans want Trump to have primary challenger

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/40-percent-of-iowa-republicans-want-trump-to-have-primary-challenger

  252. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    60% read Q hahahaha!

  253. EOS
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    I don’t believe most conspiracy theories, but I believe many. Often, calling something a “conspiracy theory” is the first defense against the revelation of truth.

  254. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Convincing delivery? Stuttering…false information represented as fact…Very interesting to see the increasing media attacks though. “Those who scream the loudest….”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VJG91FQpJ4

  255. anonymous
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Interesting

    https://jezebel.com/pizzagate-satanic-panic-and-the-power-of-conspiracy-t-1833551416

  256. iRobert
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    It’s so unfortunate that critical thinking and logic classes are not taught in grade schools. People seem to have a lot of trouble with processing bits of information and categorizing them as to their possibility, probability, or certainty, based upon the same of all other potentially related bits of information they have obtained. Critical thinking skills seem nearly extinct in this culture. While some people seem to buy into every wild notion that appeals to them, others try to convince themselves they’re level-headed by rejecting everything that makes them uncomfortable without any genuine analysis. Critical thinking seems almost extinct in this culture these days.

  257. iRobert
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Sorry to have posted that without re-reading or editing it. I suppose those are another set of skills which are slipping away. I read so many poorly written things these days, and often they are written by me.

  258. Jean Henry
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    “Jean, I have some respect for your opinions on issues which you’ve had enough interest in to actually read a bit about. I know you do your homework when you’re motivated. That is why it is very obvious to me you have zero motivation regarding this topic, because that is your level of knowledge.”

    You have so far stated me nothing that I did not already know (or remember) about either 9-11 or the Gulf Wars and my opinion stands. Oh well.

  259. Jean Henry
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Ps the Attica story might be the least surprising story ever. Police brutality is not surprising. A coordinated effort to fell three towers full of rich people in a major city is not anything at all similar.

    Color me amused that police brutality came as a surprise to iRobert.

  260. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 5, 2019 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Clear thinking is not mandatory. It is Friday!
    https://youtu.be/8aShfolR6w8

  261. iRobert
    Posted April 6, 2019 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Jean: “Ps the Attica story might be the least surprising story ever. Police brutality is not surprising. A coordinated effort to fell three towers full of rich people in a major city is not anything at all similar.”

    This comment is a good illustration of how you can have difficulty even understanding what another person has said, and not said. It it pretty clear to everyone else here that I wasn’t comparing Attica to 9/11. I was simply bringing up the eyewitness story regarding Attica to share with FF, in response to his comments about having witnessed something that was not portrayed in the media as it actually occurred. The fact that you injected the bizarre assumption that I was comparing 9/11 to Attica in any way, shows how easily confused you are. Nobody else here, with the possible exception of Sad, would have made such a rediculous assunotuon. It’s a big reason why you are always going back and forth with HW and others pointlessly arguing something which is no more than your misinterpretation and misrepresentation of what HW or others have said.

    P.S.
    Like you, I also didn’t find the eyewitness story from this attorney about Attica surprising. However, it wasn’t just run if the mill police brutality, which I know is fairly common, and was even more so in the 70s. This story involves something people would find a bit more shocking, as it was a flat out execution of captured, restrained, individuals. You’d be right though about me not being terribly sensitive or outraged at the fact that instigators of a prison riot were executed outright.

    The story of what this attorney saw at Attica didn’t surprise me at all either. :

  262. iRobert
    Posted April 6, 2019 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Jean: “You have so far stated me nothing that I did not already know (or remember) about either 9-11 or the Gulf Wars and my opinion stands. Oh well.”

    The fact that you are either pretending that I have said one word of an argument to convince you of some 9/11 cover-up, shows you are either extremely confused or have incredibly poor reading comprehension of my very simple statements on this so far. I wouldn’t dare take on any more difficult subject with you, seeing how much trouble you have with something as simple as me telling you that you should inform yourself more. That was my only point. I think everyone else got that, with the possible exception of Sad.

  263. iRobert
    Posted April 6, 2019 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Jean,

    If you’d like, I could offer you some suggested reading (all of official public records) to get you started in beginning to understand the problems with the official story of what occurred on 9/11. But I assume you are not interested, as I’ve seen your knowledge on this is incredibly lacking, and that denonstrates you complete disinterest in the topic.

    People who have strong opinions on topics they have no interest in, and subsequently no knowledge about, are simply idiots. There is no two ways about that.

  264. iRobert
    Posted April 6, 2019 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    I could also repost spell-checked, grammar-corrected, edited, versions of my precious three comments if that would help.

  265. iRobert
    Posted April 6, 2019 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Correction: “previous” three comments…haha

    Ok, I’ll start reading my comments before I post. Please forgive me, maytard community.

  266. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 6, 2019 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Celebrating major victories in Cannabis legalization today with a few likeminded folks. Not only is it legal for adults in MI to possess and grow herb, but for the first time in eons hemp is now legal to grow in all states.

  267. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 6, 2019 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    I probably don’t need to say it but everything iRobert said rings true to my ears. Jean’s most recent batch of comments, were again, very weird.

    It was easier to just post a Kendrick video for Jean than to explain to her that what she said was said is not what was actually said.

    The advice I would give Jean: Slow down. Your chronic misrepresentations are not good for anybody but they are very bad for you, your reputation and also bad for any cause you might represent.

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