The rich and powerful Jeffrey Epstein is finally being brought to justice for the sex trafficking of minors. Will there be others?

Early yesterday evening, FBI agents took billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein into custody at his Manhattan townhouse. According to reports in the press, Epstein, who is an admitted sex offender, will be arraigned in federal court tomorrow on sex trafficking charges. This marks a dramatic reversal for the powerful and influential Epstein, who had no doubt thought that, with his 2008 plea deal, in which he agreed to serve 13 months in a work-release program in exchange for admitting that he had solicited an underage girl for prostitution, all of this was behind him. Well, it’s apparently far from over for Epstein, who is now going to face multiple federal charges for having molested, raped, trafficked, and otherwise taken advantage of numerous young women in both Florida and New York.

I won’t get too deep into the background here, but, if you’re interested in knowing more about how Epstein “for years lured teenage girls to his Palm Beach mansion as part of a cult-like sex pyramid scheme,” I’d encourage you to read the reporting of the Miami Herald, whose reporters have done a phenomenal job of talking with Epstein’s victims, explaining how it was that the well-connected investment banker was able, up until now, to get away with just a slap on his wrist, and keeping the story in front of people… allowing for pressure to build, so that these nearly 100 or more young women might finally see justice served.

I know I said I wouldn’t go too deep into Epstein’s crimes, but, just to give you an idea of how he operated, here’s a brief excerpt from a recent article at the Daily Beast.

…Another accuser, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, has long claimed that Epstein and [his partner partner Ghislaine] Maxwell abused minor girls across the country and abroad, and that Epstein loaned his victims out to his famous friends, including [Alan] Dershowitz and Prince Andrew.

Giuffre filed a declaration in 2015 as part of the Crime Victims’ Rights Act suit and detailed Epstein’s alleged sex ring. She said she met Epstein in 1999 after Maxwell approached her during her summer job at Mar-a-Lago. She was 15 years old.

Maxwell allegedly offered Giuffre professional training in massages. But when Giuffre arrived at Epstein’s Palm Beach home, she was allegedly forced into sexual activity with the billionaire and would become trapped in his web.

She said that when she began “working” for Epstein, he flew her to New York on his private jet and molested her at his Manhattan mansion. “I was trained to be ‘everything a man wanted me to be,’” Giuffre said in the declaration. “It wasn’t just sexual training—they wanted me to be able to cater to all the needs of the men they were going to send me to.”

Maxwell and Epstein allegedly ordered Giuffre to pay attention to what the men wanted, so she could report back to them. Giuffre said she traveled with Epstein from 1999 through the summer of 2002, to his homes in New York, New Mexico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Paris, France.

“I had sex with him often in these places and also with the various people he demanded that I have sex with,” Giuffre stated. “Epstein paid me for many of these sexual encounters. In fact, my only purpose for Epstein, Maxwell and their friends was to be used for sex.”

Giuffre added that “Epstein had sex with underage girls on a daily basis” and that his interest in minor girls was “obvious” to those in his orbit. His code word for this abuse was “massage,” and Maxwell would often have sex with the victims, too, Giuffre claimed…

Speaking of Epstein’s “loaning” of girls to his powerful friends, here’s a photo of Giuffre with Prince Andrew, whom she says Epstein directed her to have sex with. [That’s Maxwell smiling behind them.]

Given that Epstein was a friend of Donald Trump’s, and that Trump’s Labor Secretary, Alexander Acosta, was the man who, as U.S. Attorney in 2008, had arranged for the billionaire pedophile to stay out of prison instead of getting a life-sentence, you can be sure this case is going to have political ramifications. And, right now, everyone is speculating as to how many well-known individuals may go down with Epstein.

In addition to Prince Andrew, there are allegations that Epstein also provided girls for his friend and attorney, Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz. And, of course, there’s Donald Trump, who, in 2002, called Epstein a “terrific guy,” who he’s known for 15 years. Donald Trump went on to say of Epstein, “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It’s even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do. And many of them are on the younger side.” I’m not aware of any specific allegations concerning Trump relative to Epstein’s criminal sexual enterprise, but who knows what may come up as this case evolves, and we hear more about the powerful men Epstein sought to curry favor with… It’s common knowledge, for instance, that former president Bill Clinton has flown on Epstein’s private jet, nicknamed the “Lolita Express” by members of the press, several times.

I’d like to think that it would go without saying, but I don’t care whether or not this investigation takes down Clinton or any other prominent Democrats. I only care that the truth comes out. And my hope is that every single person who either participated in these activities, or aided Epstein in this sex trafficking enterprise of his, is brought to justice… And I do think that, by the time all of this is done, others will be facing charges. As former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer John Schindler just recently shared on Twitter, there’s every reason to believe that Epstein kept records.

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241 Comments

  1. Posted July 7, 2019 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

  2. Posted July 7, 2019 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    I’m hesitant to wade into these waters, as any talk of pedophilia tends to bring out the “Q”, and I really don’t want to hear any of their fantasy fan faction about how a heroic Donald Trump and his totally not-dead sidekick, JFK Jr., planned all of this to bring down Clinton and Epstein… But I figure it’s worth talking about. So, what the hell.

  3. Posted July 7, 2019 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    OK, it looks like I may have to update the part of the post were I said that I wasn’t aware of any allegations against Trump that tie him to this criminal enterprise of Epstein’s. It looks as though one of Trump’s accusers is a woman who claims to have been raped by the President when she was 13 years old, at Epstein’s Manhattan home, in 1994.

    https://twitter.com/iansmadrig/status/1068606178723270656

  4. Anonymous
    Posted July 7, 2019 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    You agree with David Simon: “If you’re still trying to handicap this thing on partisan lines, hoping that more Republican or Democratic leaders are implicated, you’re a lost ball in the tall grass of our political shitshow. For a change of pace, try hoping they catch and punish every last shitbird predator.”

  5. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 4:59 am | Permalink

    You’re about to see what billions of dollars and political power can do to derail justice. There’s no way Epstein didn’t have many powerful pedophile friends in business and politics. I’ll bet very few, if any, go to prison. I’m disappointed a psycho father or significant other didn’t take it upon himself years ago to execute Epstein and as many of his monsterois friends as possible. That’s the only way justice would ever come to billionaires and political power players.

  6. Bob
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    God I would love to see Dershowitz go to prison. What a dick that guy has been for decades.

  7. disinterested observer
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    In my unbiased opinion, iRobert is more regressive an idiot than Jean Henry.

  8. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    You think Trump was friends with Epstein??? Mkay, there. Donald Trump is the only one who came forward with information leading to his conviction. Now during the Trump era Epstein is going to fry. Did you somehow leave the Clinton’s out of this?! You are ill, dude.

  9. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    “It looks as though one of Trump’s accusers is a woman who claims to have been raped by the President when she was 13 years old, at Epstein’s Manhattan home, in 1994.”

    The evaporating “Katie Johnson”. It turned out Epstein did not have a New York apartment at that time. Dirty ‘wrap-up smear’ timed to hit just before the election.

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    You did mention the Clinton’s I see. That’s funny that what is “common knowledge” today is what your readers flatly denied yesterday. I put up the flight logs obtained by Fox showing Bill Clinton on the Lolita Express and you people actually denied they were real.

  11. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    To be fair, most people here didn’t deny they were real so much as they just made stupid snarky comments, so as to give the impression that the suggestion was resiculioisly absurd, while at the same time not saying anything of any substance. That’s the standard Maytard MO.

  12. John Brown
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    HW, Faux News is christian nationalist fake news. Collaborate those flight logs independently or they are not credible.

    I listened to the whole Katie Johnson interview and find it very credible.

    https://vimeo.com/176181706

    The argument that it can’t be real because a 13 year old victim of human trafficking incorrectly identified the ownership of the property where she was raped is a new level of inhumanity from the supposed party of values. Sick fucks all of you GOPers.

  13. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    I obviously meant “ridiculously” (not resiculioisly).

    Anyway, my point was that the know-nothing, zero-experience, snarky assholes on this blog are that way because they have a complex about being unable to sort through information and express anything intelligently about it.

  14. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Katie Johnson’s claims shouldn’t be dismissed, HW. They should be thoroughly investigated. I do think you’re right in that Bill Clinton is implicates. I am not as sure about Hillary being involved at all. What is being said is the evidence?

  15. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    I think Clinton was the best president we ha e had since Kennedy. I worked for the Clinton campaign in ‘92. But if it becomes apparent that he had sex with an underaged girl or an exploited adult, I think he should be inprosoned for life.

  16. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    How is it not strong evidence of a false story that critical details were fabricated? Epstein did not have a NYC apartment at the time so it’s flat lie.

  17. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Alright, I guess I’ll start proofreading and editing my comments from now on. By some slim chance there might be a worthy human being reading this blog.

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    “Anyway, my point was that the know-nothing, zero-experience, snarky assholes on this blog are that way because they have a complex about being unable to sort through information and express anything intelligently about it.”

    True. You have had a lot of good stuff lately.

  19. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    HW, victims in crimes are often mistaken about crucial details. It doesn’t dismiss the possibility that their general claims are true just because they are mistaken about a detail such as who owned an apartment.

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    She said it was Epstein’s place, his big apartment where he held lavish parties. How could someone get that wrong?

  21. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Whether Epstein had an apartment rented or purchased in his name or not is pretty insignificant information as far as it’s value in dismissing claims. A billionaire such as he could easily have access to apartments of friends, associates, or of others who allow him that access as a favor, a gift, or for cash, etc.

    It’s certainly possible that Trump is being falsely implicated by Katie Johnson, but it will take more than that one bit of detail about not owning an apartment at the time to dismiss the accusations.

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    If she didn’t know for sure her lawyer shouldn’t have put it in the lawsuit. You don’t believe in the concept of the alibi? If someone puts you somewhere in their story but the place did not exist at the time then it tends to belie the claim.

  23. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    If Katie Johnson’s story is a fabricated lie, you may still want it to live a bit longer, HW. Because it would keep a lot of anti-Trump folks pushing for this Epstein case to develop as well. Politics is a quite often a very strange game of that nature.

    If there doesn’t appear to be any chance Trump was involved, most Democrats will want to ignore it, especially the sort that most frequent this page.

  24. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    Katie Johnson evaporated when it came out that Epstein’s big fancy apartment in NYC did not exist. The story died days before the election.

    “If there doesn’t appear to be any chance Trump was involved, most Democrats will want to ignore it, especially the sort that most frequent this page.”

    Good thing that hasn’t happened. Funny to see Bark Baynard forced to try to get ahead of it now.

  25. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW, your latching onto details is similar to Clinton’s defense of “it depends on what ‘is’, means”. You actually think the Leader has morals? I know the Leader is above petty human foibles. If the Leader has sex with underage girls that is ok. He is god’s anointed and all of his actions are excused and forgiven. You should embrace his near divinity and stop pretending that the Leader does not have the right to do what ever makes himself feel good. Right and wrong to the Leader do not apply. I know I’m a dolt, but get on board HW, stop pretending the Leader can be judged by the same standards as mortals.

  26. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    You have to give Mark credit, HW. He isn’t afraid to post on topics like this one.

  27. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    No. Reality has forced Bark to say something about it. He was happy to try to portray it as conspiracy theory until now.

  28. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Dogmatic Dickhead: Do you actually think I am saying it is okay if Trump used thirteen year olds for sex? Are you dense as shit?

  29. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Pretty major UNSEALED INDICTMENT there wouldn’t you say, Dolty?

  30. iRobert
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    These are the Manhattan addresses I see associated with Jeffrey Epstein.
    9 E 71st Street
    55 Water Street #28
    34 E 69th Street
    265 E 66th Street
    301 E 66th Street Apt 8d
    301 E 66th Street Apt 10B
    301 E 66th Street Apt 10F
    575 Lexington Ave., Floor 4
    457 Madison Ave.
    14 Wall Street

    Epstein has had at least three different units in the building at 301 E 66th Street.

  31. Anonymous
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Will this Epstein case reduce costs for prescription medicines? Will it result in uninsured Americans having access to health care? Will tuition costs at universities be controlled as a result of this case? Will there be increased monitoring of police to reduce cases of police brutality? Will there be fewer dead Yemeni kids because of this case? Will this prevent nuclear proliferation? How will this solve the problem of economic inequality in the United States?

    Answer: It won’t do anything about any of those vastly more important issues. It will only occupy headlines for a while and distract us from discussing real issues that our government should be dealing with. But go ahead, distract yourselves for a while.

  32. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    I’d say child abuse ranks up there with those things, if not eclipses them in importance.

  33. fact check
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    HW: “You think Trump was friends with Epstein??? Mkay, there.”

    Donald Trump in 2002: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with.

  34. fact check
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    HW: “Did you somehow leave the Clinton’s out of this?! You are ill, dude.”

    Mark Maynard: “It’s common knowledge, for instance, that former president Bill Clinton has flown on Epstein’s private jet, nicknamed the “Lolita Express” but the press, several times. I’d like to think that it would go without saying, but I don’t care whether or not this investigation takes down Clinton or other prominent Democrats. I only care that the truth comes out. And my hope is that every single person who either participated in these activities, or aided Epstein in this sex trafficking enterprise of his, is brought to justice.”

  35. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    That was very obviously sarcastic. He outed Epstein as a pedo in the same breath.

  36. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    How pedantic.

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    “no result for Trump”

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6184408-U-S-v-Jeffrey-Epstein-Indictment.html

  38. Eel
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    You are hilarious, HW.

    No one in their right mind could possibly look at Donald Trump’s 2002 quote about Epstein and walk away thinking that it was his attempt to “out” Epstein as a pedophile and bring him to justice. No one.

    Let’s say that you’re right, though. What did Trump do after 2002 to see Epstein brought to justice? What other steps did he take? Or was the extent of his crusade on behalf of child sex slaves this one quote?

    Donald Trump: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

  39. John Brown
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    And “no result for Clinton” – who’s name is worth more now that Clintons a has been and Agent Orange is an ongoing national security risk?

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    It’s you that is out of your mind. Do pedos do that to their suppliers? Hell no. He was sending a message to people like the Clinton’s who went to Little St. James as often as possible. You haven’t learned how Trump operates at all. Slow

  41. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Not in this indictment, Johnny. Step by step events are aligning with what I have said all along. This is a major one. A “BOOM” you might say.

  42. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Eel
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    “Let’s say that you’re right, though. What did Trump do after 2002 to see Epstein brought to justice? What other steps did he take? Or was the extent of his crusade on behalf of child sex slaves this one quote?”

    Why don’t you research the prosecutor’s comments on Donald Trump’s assistance in the case? I’ve talked about it before. “…more than forthcoming”…”only one who came forward…”

  43. Q
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Trump wasn’t raping a 13 year old at Epsteain’s party. He was cultivating a source! It was all part of the plan to bring down Epstein. Brilliant!

  44. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    That’s a logical fallacy though. How can a false accusation be a given? That story evaporated when it was pointed out Epstein did not have an NYC apartment then.

    Presser on now
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvDoCkqwXow

  45. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Aloha loyal follower HW, all Grand Jury indictments are sealed. Is this one of the 6,000 the glorious Leader is using to cleanse our culture? Will you help the Leader with his one million deportations he is talking about for next week?

    ” You haven’t learned how Trump operates at all. Slow”

    I’m a dolt so of course I don’t have a clue how the Leader works, but I do know that he was right when he said he could shoot a person on 5th. Ave. and his followers would not care.

  46. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Durf

  47. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW, “Why don’t you research the prosecutor’s comments on Donald Trump’s assistance in the case? I’ve talked about it before. “…more than forthcoming”…”only one who came forward…”..Are you talking about Alex Accosta, the scumbag who put together the sweat heart deal for Epstein and was subsequently rewarded by The Leader with a position in the cabinet?

    I am so glad The Leader drained the swamp.

    As near as I can tell, the only person to thank Trump in the Epstein matter was Bradley Edwards, who represented several of the victims in private lawsuits against Epstein. He thanked Trump for his assistance in these private lawsuits. I cann’t find anything that says that Trump provided any assistance in the criminal investigations.

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Swamp-draining has only just begun. Watch and learn.

  49. Jean Henry
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Donald Trump as moral crusader and superhero is just so rich.

    I hope Bill Clinton and Truml goes down. Is declare a holiday.

    And anonymous, if you think the wealthy getting away with serial sexual abuse of minors is not related to those other abuses of power, you’ve lost your mind.

    Until rich ppl do jail time, we don’t have a chance in hell of getting any other kind of concessions from them or their corporations.

    Ice siwnt time around these folks. What they fear lost is being accountable. And avoiding accountability is the cultural norm in their realms. It starts in kindergarten. Earlier really. They don’t want to face the same realities everyone else does. It scares the crap out of them.

    I remember a conversation with a 17-year-old on Martha’s vineyard in which he expressed fear that he would not be rich enough as an adult to join a yacht club and own boats and spend a lot of time on the water. Now many ppl have such waterlogged ambitions; few believe that Tony yacht club memberships are required to achieve them.

  50. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, “Earlier really. They don’t want to face the same realities everyone else does.” We agree on some things.

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    You’ve siwnt time with billionaires and presidents and princes and people like that? Whoah

  52. BUCKLE UP
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    From Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro):

    Details from what FBI found inside Epstein’s $77 Million Manhattan mansion:
    Extraordinary volume of photographs of nude underage girls

    Hundreds perhaps thousands of sexually suggestive photographs of fully or partially nude females.

    Safe containing compact disks with labels.

  53. BUCKLE UP
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Let the mass suicides begin!

  54. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, I had a conversation with Reagan in 1976 (I admit he used me more as a prop). I talked to Bill in the late 90’s. I also attended a birthday party with and for Ted Kennedy one year. Don’t know if there were any billionaires around . Doubt it, they usually use their politicians to interact with the plebs. Spent my first working years working at a Country Club and interacted with the “better folks” as their “boy”(bus boy, kitchen boy, grounds boy, pool boy). They taught me that equality is the most important goal, the “better folks” are just more arrogant and dangerous in their stupidity. They regularly hosted the Birchers and loved Revilo P. Oliver, (a racist writer who is making a come back with the white nationalist) a regular speaker at their meetings.

  55. Anonymous
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    I suppose it goes without saying, but what kind of fool keeps that stuff around after serving jail time for it?

  56. John Brown
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Anon, The kind that need to blackmail others to avoid the rest of their life in jail?

    I’ve talked to 1%ers of a few occasions where everyone was several drinks in and being pretty honest I think. I could not believe how detached from reality they were in their assertion that their best interests were also the public’s best interest. A necessary coping mechanism I suppose, assuming they all aren’t psychopaths like Epstein and Agent Orange…..

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    “Aloha HW, I had a conversation with Reagan in 1976…”

    Neato. I was talking to Jean Derpy.

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    I hope for your sake that blackmail isn’t on Biliary Blinton. Hope it isn’t on those disks mentioned by BUCKLE UP.

  59. Anonymous
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    I hope there is a picture of Hillary Clinton wearing someone’s face.

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Q did not address that rumor. Most people thought it was disinfo. You guys don’t have enough knowledge to do this. It’s the straw man all the time.

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Q did have some very interesting posts on Little St. James that do reference occultism and worship of evil. Do you think the ‘temple’ on the island leads to anything underneath or is it just probably a meditation room or something? You have no idea what I am talking about so to you it’s a joke. I don’t think Trump’s law enforcement officials are joking around at all.

  62. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, the crimes of the plutocrats are of course worth following, but while everyone has been following the Epstein case, the Leaders NLRB just gave a present to the employing class. This decision, once employers understand the significance, will be the death blow to unionism in this country. “Anticipatory withdrawal” of union recognition before contract expires, means they never have to engage in “good faith” bargaining.
    Every Democratic candidate should be railing against this decision.
    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/trump-nlrb-eliminates-hurdle-to-employers-kicking-out-unions?fbclid=IwAR2sEe8_yf4w9IPBzDJsXG_XEQiqNdfGWgCBD6gwoixuctkMnHZcGRYRAZQ

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Accurate:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D–T0bIXYAIirl1.jpg

  64. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Aloha HW, I assume you are taking your red pills daily. Remember Lewis Carroll was in the throes of a drug induced delusional reality.

  65. Anonymous
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Katie J’s accusations are sounding more and more credible the more we learn about Epstein.

    https://vimeo.com/176181706

  66. Anonymous
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    It is looking more and more credible that Clinton wore a girl’s face for fun.

  67. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Of course “Katie Johnson” would look like that to you, Anonyderp.

  68. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Along with gutting union rights, The Leader and his minions are stumble fucking our way into WWIII. They don’t have a clue about how to conduct diplomacy. Looks like we are still on track for war some time this fall. August and Septembers are always bad months when it comes to world peace. But I admit it, sex crimes are so much more titillating.
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/07/08/to-think-outside-box-helps-first-understand-whats-box/

  69. Jean Henry
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    HW— as ive told everyone here, I want to a topmost tier East coast boarding school— so not princes and billionaires but their kids. I knew only one royal but a lot of Fords and Vanderbilts and Rockefeller’s and Kennedy’s and Dupont’s also the offspring of various exiled leaders —the Shah and the guy who ran Cuba pre Castro (ponce de Leon I think) , etc. And I learned I could make a lot of money living with them and waiting on them in Martha’s Vineyard during Summers.

    I left all of that behind and came to Michigan at 18 so I could engage with charmers like you.

    My sisters married rich dudes though.

    But even I wasn’t dumb enough to get used as a labor stooge by Ronald Reagan, Dogmatic Dolt.

  70. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Too bad all you could get was a drunk old ex. I remembered what it was about you that I noticed when I met you. Before you even barged through the door I heard something ill in your voice as you were talking to him in the kitchen. I picked up on your weirdness in that split second before I even saw your face. Incredible.

  71. kjc
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    you’re talking about “weirdness”, you fucking misogynist creep?

  72. John Brown
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Not found in Epstein’s safe; the DVD labeled “young (name)+Agent Orange”. That one’s been in Moscow for a while now.

  73. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, JH I was young and in a gorilla costume, how was I to know he was going to want a photo opt. One of the more interesting things I read today.

    https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2019/07/why-trump-will-win-in-2020-and-easily/?fbclid=IwAR1hVvfDqyrZsc7j9uRlkO3xooVf16tGshYwiHoFJzSmsz7jfMSD8wtV8Wg

  74. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    How am I misogynist? I love women.

  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    You are a joke, Johnny and you know it. You don’t believe that. You are merely trying to be as irritating as possible. It’s good because it is do dumb it has got to be contributing the dem exodus.

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    *sooo* dumb that is

  77. John Brown
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Bill Barr’s dad hired a young Epstein to work at the Dalton School in New York with no college degree. I wonder why he would’ve done that? Hmmm. There’s probably something here that helps explain why Barr would throw his entire legacy into this trumpster fire. So much inbreeding I can’t keep it straight.

    We’re going to need a bigger gas station awning….

  78. Anonymous
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Trump has so thoroughly polluted our institutions, that the idea that Justice has already destroyed photos of Republicans or Republican donors seems entirely plausible.

  79. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Bill Clinton claims to know nothing about it.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/8/bill-clinton-issues-jeffrey-epstein-statement/

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Part of the original group that conceived the Clinton Foundation. Cool!

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/billionaire-sex-offender-epstein-once-claimed-he-co-founded-clinton-foundation

  81. Sad
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    HW doesn’t care about the girls in this situation. He just wants to use them to get people in trouble.

    First they were a pawn of Epstein now HW wants to use them too.

  82. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    That’s not true, Sad. You can have that opinion but I don’t see why except to try to degrade me. My opinion of your opinion is it’s ill.

    Latest Q

    https://qanon.pub/data/media/eb788f84566b09c33256f57ac91bb015d025e95bc10de41bcb0125551a5f887f.jpg

  83. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Got my popcorn! Might as well get you some too.

  84. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Here is an update by one of the few reporters to get Russiagate right—I know facts don’t matter in politics, but it is good to grab hold of reality once in awhile.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html

  85. Kat
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    The difference between HW and everyone else here, at least as far as I can tell, is that every other than HW is saying “whomever harmed these girls should be held accountable.” Have I got that right?

  86. Jean Henry
    Posted July 8, 2019 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Kat — you’ve got that right.

    HW has a lot of bluster about how right he is and how eager he is to punish all the pedophikes and end corruption, but whenever he’s asked to commit to his positions via a wager or a commitment to disavow Trump if found guilty, he equivocates like the coward he is.

  87. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    You dumb fucks. I have repeatedly detailed how I almost did not vote for Trump because of the Katie Johnson story. I decided on the night before. Literally everything you say is a lie.

  88. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    Equivocate? Example please.

    I don’t “commit to my positions?” Are you insane? Pretty far fucking out on a limb here I’d say. Sitting pretty today though. You don’t seem to register anything logical. How could it be cowardly to not make a bet on…a position I never held? You can’t bully someone into making a bet. Not someone with a strong mind at least. You want me to bet they’ll never finally pin anything on the President but you don’t have a rationale for why you think I should take that position when I never did before. It’s moronic.

  89. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Odd summary, Kat.

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    WAAM’s Dr. Dave Janda on Epstein

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K88BOzrMI34

  91. Jean Henry
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    FF— what about Kat’s Summary was wrong or ‘odd?’ Please back up your criticisms of others.

  92. Jean Henry
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Curious HW— if Trump has been gunning for Epstein all along, why did he select Acosta to be one of the few people on his cabinet — someone who pretty much everyone agrees have the guy a pass?

  93. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Do you have kindergarten level intelligence, Jean? Kat is implying HW does not want child molestors to be held accountable for their actions.

  94. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Maybe it’s a hook to get people like you finally looking at this stuff. Hm?

    Regarding KAT’s statement since she failed to present any kind of rationale to support it why don’t you give it a shot? Quote me. Flat opinions mean shit.

  95. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Q said Rachel Chandler is Allison Mack (NXIVM slave-pimp and co-operating witness) times one hundred. She had pics on instagram of her and different major stars and Bill Clinton and people like that. Oh, she had pics from Epstein’s Little St. James Island also. Ray Chandler in the news soon? A lot of things are going to be in the news that will vindicate what I have said all along.

    It is an absolutely amazing time to be alive. There have been huge pedo ring busts in the USA and the world recently (Operation Safe Summer II, Operation Broken Heart…) with hundreds of children rescued and thousands of sick pieces of shit busted. Not just run of the mill abusers anymore but ELITE players such as the Bronfman’s and Epstein and all the others connected to them. This is all very very good for the world. I don’t understand the instinct to attack someone who told you a long time ago this would happen. I told you there would be a series of devastating hits on the elite and they will be going down for some heinous shit. Looks like it’s kind of trending in that direction, huh?

  96. CSPAN
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    President Trump on Jeffrey Epstein: “I had a falling out with him a long time ago, I don’t think I’ve spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn’t a fan…I was not a fan of his…I feel very badly actually for Secretary Acosta.”

    https://twitter.com/MarkAMaynard/status/1148636903651999745

  97. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    “Prosecutors also cited “credible allegations that the defendant engaged in witness tampering, harassment or other obstructive behaviors” in connection with the previous federal investigation of his alleged conduct in Florida…”

    It is said Epstein paid someone to run a witnesses father off the road. Acosta could easily have been offered a deal he couldn’t refuse.

  98. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Quoted from https://abcnews.go.com/US/wealthy-financier-jeffrey-epstein-charged-sex-trafficking-indictment/story?id=64190575

  99. John Brown
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Seth Rich, pizzagate, Newtown conspiracy; it’s getting hard to tell Republicans from Russians. They are both enemies of truth and the American way, that much is clear.

    https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-the-true-origins-of-the-seth-rich-conspiracy-a-yahoo-news-investigation-100000831.html

  100. Jean Henry
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    FF in fact I have a slightly higher than kindergarten level intelligence because I can read. How about you?

    I posed a simple question to HW early on: would he disavow Trump if he was shown to have raped underaged girls.

    HW equivocated. He denied the possibility. He could have just said, yes, especially if he believed it impossible, but squirmed to avoid it.

    ‘Kat is implying HW does not want child molestors to be held accountable for their actions.‘.— No, only Trump.

  101. Jean Henry
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    HW: please answer my question. To repeat: How you reconcile the Acosta appointment to the cabinet with Trump’s supposed long lived interest in nailing Epstein and all pedophiles?

  102. Jean Henry
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Ah it was on another thread. But I asked him three times then and once here:
    ‘Today’s a good day to find out from the Trump supporters in your life whether they’ll stop supporting him if it’s revealed in the Jeffrey Epstein case that Trump raped children. It’s important to get them to commit now so if and when that fact comes out you’ve got them on record.’
    https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/1147830073569026050?s=21
    So HW— can we get you on record? I’d have no problem seeing Bill Clinton be held accountable if you are wondering.‘

  103. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    I just re-read the thread, Jean.

    HW’s response seems reasonable to me. Your question/ Abramson’s question was obviously intentionally vague on the word “revealed”. HW rightly asked you for clarification on your question. Asking for a question to be made clearer, when that question is intentionally vague, is equivocation in Jean’s upside down world?

    If HW believes that Trump is a child molestor then he is not going to support Trump. Almost nobody will support someone they believe is a child molestor. Everyone knows this fact…Prisons are filled with wildly unethical people and even they hate child molestors. Everybody knows this…. Sorry to take the fun out of your bullshit question which really is just a vague insinuation, of the worst kind, but sometimes it is better to cut through the bullshit.

    My question is: What sort of person makes those kind of insinuations about other people while pretending they are asking a genuine question? Answer: Only scumbags.

    We give Jean lots of opportunities to use “stupidity” as an alibi but she insists she is not an idiot. I am not sure what to think.

  104. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    High quality stuff, Frosted Flakes. Good way to put it.

    It’s the same answer I gave you before, Jean. We do not agree on definitions for a lot of things. “Revealed?” I’m supposed to go with that? “Proven” would be a better word to use. It’s a dumb question. I told you I would not have voted for him if I thought the Katie Johnson story even might be true. I almost didn’t do it based on that lie. You would have been a little bit closer to not losing Michigan if I had bought into it.

  105. best quote of the day
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    ….comes from the NYT.

    “….other than the two dozen or so women flown in to provide the entertainment, the only guests were Mr. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/us/politics/trump-epstein.html

  106. Little Nobody
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Eyes Wide Shut

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/01/sin-aboundeth

    HW – The sex party in the movie takes place in the Rothschild Mansion. Curious on your take of that……

  107. Sad
    Posted July 9, 2019 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    HW what does it mean that Acosta says he went easy on Epstein because higher ups said he had some connection to “ intelligence “?

  108. Sad
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    I was up all night studying it. Apparently Epstein was able to carry on all these years due to his deep state – pedophile connections.

    Pretty soon it will all be exposed and everyone will admit that I’ve been 100% correct all along.

  109. anonymous
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Another girl recruited at 14 by Epstein.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-he-raped-me-when-i-was-n1028011

  110. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    Eyes Wide Shut was an exposé. I hear the director’s cut had much more to it. Curious timing on Kubrick’s death in light of that.

  111. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    In your mind would it be in the realm of possibility that the CIA, Mossad, etc. is heavily involved in child sex trafficking, Sad?

  112. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    “….other than the two dozen or so women flown in to provide the entertainment, the only guests were Mr. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.”

    Sounds like Mr. Epstein was trying his best to tempt DJT into doing something blackmail-able like the Clinton’s etc.

  113. John Brown
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Donald Barr, Bill Barrs father who hired an unqualified Epstein in 1973, began his career in the OSS during WW2. Be sure to fit that into your fantasy HW. I get the Mossad, because, Jew, duh.

  114. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    If you feel like throwing up take a gander at one of Ray Chandler’s “models”. Rachel “Ray” Chandler is the one who put pics of herself and various household names like Bill Clinton, Puff Daddy and Eminem on instagram. Was she one of Epstein’s suppliers as Q has heavily implied? Tell me what the fuck is up with this shit.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1104998436993187840.html

    God damn, the kitchen is getting hot. Kind of hard to ridicule satanic abuse after seeing something like that, huh? Chandler’s whole model portfolio is suspect as shit. She claims to specialize in a “streetcast” modeling niche but to many people looking at it now they just look abused.

  115. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    If you question the Mossad then you are anti-semitic. Just like if you don’t hate white people you are a racist and if you don’t hate men you are misogynist. Strange little whirlwind, your mind.

  116. Anonymous
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    “Satanic ritual abuse” in Instagram!! Call the police! So funny

  117. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Do you find the pics Ray’s model put up funny? On her own instagram Ray Chandler was pictured on a plane (Epstein’s?) with Bill Clinton. Ray Chandler posted pics of the complex under Little St. James.

    According to Q Ray Chandler = Allison Mack x100. As ill as NXIVM was (Mack was the #1 slave/slave handler) and as colossal as their downfall has been ponder the scale of something one hundred times bigger. If you weren’t immunized against reality you would be starting to get a sense of just how fucked up things really are. Conspiracy no more. NXIVM times one hundred…

  118. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    More X22 Report on Epstein to catch you up

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9rP7RWbcXc

  119. Anonymous
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    The pictures of her holding the goat were pretty hilarious.

  120. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Just a sick sense of humor you think? You seem to have made a blanket defense for people who are into some extremely sick shit. Your mind has been destroyed by incredulity. Remember it’s the big lie that is easier to maintain.

  121. Anonymous
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    This Qanon thing is so funny, it almost seems like parody.

  122. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    I don’t see how you can say that today. Everything Q has dropped is coming to pass. There is a terrible reality you personally and a certain number of others here cannot fathom so you hide behind a wall of contempt. Too bad for the old/current you the wall is crumbling.

  123. Anonymous
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Is someone going to be holding a baby goat that they supposedly kill off screen? Or play a harp made of dead animals?

  124. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    From my recollection (seen enough of those pics) that was a lamb she was holding. It’s interesting you would latch onto that one in particular out of all those.

  125. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Pretty uh…interesting individual I’d say to be connected to Ray Chandler who flew around with Bill Clinton and chilled with eminem in her teenage years. Nothing to worry about though. It doesn’t mean anything. The sketchy modeling company is nothing either. It’s just art!

  126. Anonymous
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Lamb, goat, all the same. So many funny pictures there. Qanon is some funny shit.

  127. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Like I said it is fascinating how you exclude all the pictures but that one from your reaction. It is evidence of what I say: you are in a deep, deep state of denial. What will you say when Rachel Chandler is in the news and all hell is breaking loose? Q told us about Allison Mack being in the news a year in advance. You think it’s luck or what? I told you it would get worse and worse. Let’s see who is tuned into reality and who is in lala land. Q: “Ray Chandler = Allison Mack x100.”

    Something to soothe that inner turmoil you can’t seem to stop from bubbling up to the surface in these troubled times

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Eed4Rfu6Ug

  128. Anonymous
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    The harp made of dead animals was just too funny to ignore. It is great that you got a picture of the caverns under that temple on Epstein’s island though. You guys are really funny.

  129. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Yeah haha. Your people are in a world of shit just like I predicted in 2017. It is funny actually.

  130. Anonymous
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Who are my people? You mean people who aren’t in a loony incel cult?

  131. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    The Clinton’s and so many more. Hollywood in general; lots of stars. Why was eminem hanging with Ray when she was sixteen or seventeen? What is it about her that big time pols and entertainers like so much do you think? Modeling agency a front? Naw, couldn’t be. Everything you’ve said is crazy turns out to be true. Every thing has gone my way. My position is ten times stronger at least than two weeks ago and that was after a major upgrade with the conclusion of the NXIVM trials. Every time I get stronger you get weaker as well. It’s good stuff! Hahahaha

  132. Anonymous
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    If only your incredible strength on this board translated to action in real life! Then you could be King of Ypsilanti without having to hide behind a nonsensical Conan the barbarian handle! Women would love you! Men would fear you! Much lamentation from your foes and enemies!

  133. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    I’m not doing too bad at easily wrecking you. Look at all you’ve invested in harassing me and trying to degrade me. It’s all coming back on you. Women do love me by the way and it seems not too many dudes want to fuck with me in real life. What did Dirty say? Smartest guy in Ypsi to figure all this shit out? Shucks

  134. Posted July 10, 2019 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Alex Acosta is holding a press conference now: https://abcnews.go.com/Live

  135. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous has always been obsessed with knowing the identity of the people who regularly wreck him. Why though? I am confident I know why but it is good to pose some questions even if we already know their answers.

  136. John Brown
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    FF, such as “has Agent Orange raped children, or just adult women?”

  137. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand your question.

  138. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Oh, I get what you are saying now after thinking about it. No. You are employing “complex question fallacy” when you employ that question. Anonymous has a long history of A) wanting to know the identity of his debate opponents who wreck him; or b) complaining that the people wrecking him are posting from pseudonymous handles. I think I know why. It would be great if Anonymous reflected on the pattern and gave us an explanation.

  139. Anonymous
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Jesus man, get a fucking job already.

  140. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 10, 2019 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Why would you think I am unemployed? Better yet why would you want to believe I am unemployed? Even better yet why would you want to insinuate to other people of this blog that I am unemployed? I believe I know the answers to these questions but I am wondering what your responses are Anonymous.

    You are unique blend of oddness and transparency. I think it would great for you to self-reflect and think about these questions a bit Anonymous.

  141. Anonymous
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    Part of the oddness might be because you’re not able to tell that there are many different people using anonymous.

  142. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    If what you say is true then it is odd that you have chosen to be perceived as odd by using a handle you know other people are using. Very odd. The pattern of predictable pivots to pointless discussions about the mysteries created around Anonymity are odd too.

    As it is, I detect a primary voice, narrow point of view, and narrow pattern of expression under the handle “Anonymous” and I find it to be very odd.

  143. Meta
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    The Observer: “It Sure Looks Like Jeffrey Epstein Was a Spy—But Whose?”

    It appears that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in intelligence work, of some kind, for someone—and it probably wasn’t American intelligence either. The U.S. Intelligence Community is lenient about the private habits of high-value agents or informants, but they won’t countenance running sex trafficking rings for minors on American soil, for years. While it’s plausible that Epstein was sharing some information with the FBI—many criminals do so to buy themselves some insurance—it’s implausible that he was mainly working for the Americans.

    Who are the suspects then? It seems awfully coincidental that Epstein’s best pal and business partner for decades has been Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and daughter of the late Robert Maxwell, the media mogul who died under mysterious circumstances in 1991. Something of a Bond villain turned real life, Maxwell loved the limelight, despite being a swindler and a spy. British counterintelligence assessed that Maxwell was working for the KGB, while pervasive allegations that he was working for Mossad too are equally plausible.

    Since the lines between Russian intelligence, Israeli intelligence and organized crime can get remarkably blurry in practice, as I’ve explained previously, assessing whom Epstein’s been working for may prove difficult to answer with any precision. But we have a suspect list to start asking questions.

    What’s not in doubt is that a sex trafficking ring centered on minors, which involved numerous global VIPs in compromising situations, would be of high interest to quite a few intelligence services. The Epstein saga seems certain to get even more unpleasant and interesting.

    Read more:
    https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligence-work/

  144. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    Antisemitic!!!

  145. Jean Henry
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    HW — to be clear no one disputed the necessity of shutting down NXiVM or Epstein. We disagreeed that either we lead to a collapse of a left liberal cabal that extracted the blood of tortured children to get high.

    Nothing like that has come up out of either convictions.

    Now are either sets of charges in any way associated with Trump, except to the degree that he was paps with the accused and his labor secretary made a back room deal to protect him 12 years ago. Both investigations were conducted by the FBI, which you call the deep state, beginning long before Trump took office.

    You have wrecked no one. You are just as weak and pathetic as ever.

  146. Jean Henry
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Ps did anyone else notice how Acosta resembles a lizard? Just saying….

  147. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    “We disagreeed that either we lead to a collapse of a left liberal cabal that extracted the blood of tortured children to get high.”

    Disagreed with who? My recollection is it is you and Dirty and whoever else it is who keeps harping about that. I don’t think I even said that.

  148. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Same with the lizard shit. Only you derps have said anything about that. That’s the only way you can keep your charade going; ridicule through misrepresentation. I think using lies to ridicule truth is one of the worst things a “regular person” (not the criminally ill) can do. Poetically speaking when you lie you murder a part of the world as Cliff Burton wrote.

  149. Anonymous
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    “Ps did anyone else notice how Acosta resembles a lizard? Just saying….”

    Have you seen his children, Jean?

  150. Anonymous
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    I agree with Anonymous. There are many things that are odd, the oddest of which is that Acosta is a lizard person and you all know it. Your whole world will be wrecked when he takes that human skin mask off.

  151. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Slippery Jean seems to enjoy murdering the truth.

  152. Anonymous
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Lizard people ARE the truth.

  153. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    I don’t know anything about lizard people theories. Could you explain the theory to us Anonymous?

  154. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Mitch McConnell COULD be a turtle person I’ll admit. Ascribing animal DNA to human beings could go south fast though. Probably best to assume we’re all human beings. I am agnostic on aliens/UFOs/unexplained phenomena/etc. as I try to be on everything. We know very little is all I know. I expect there are guarded (pre)historical secrets in this world and some of these will come to light.

  155. Jean Henry
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    HW you didn’t a lot of time defending the existence and origin of Adrenochrome after I demonstrated that the theory originated in a Hunter Thompson novel and they he himself said it was made up.

    You then went on to talk about the child torture going on in secret left wing cabals run by the Clintons.

    We brought it up; you responded.

    You didn’t even acknowledge that Q was the source of your theories until we discovered it and called you on it.

    You believe a lot, clearly, but aren’t willing to state the full extent of it. Naturally we would ask you about the various branches of the Qanon conspiracy theories.

    Q is the unifying theory that makes your obsessions and blind spots make sense. Like your obsession with justice re child sex trafficking and pedophilia (not rocket science there) but your refusal to take seriously any charges of same or similar against Trump.

  156. Anonymous
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted November 29, 2018 at 8:11 am | Permalink
    Using adrenochrome as a drug is real. You know that for a fact since I posted research about its’ effects on human beings. I never said that’s what they do underneath the temple on Little St. James but I would not be surprised if is true. It’s interesting you and your absent buddy both freak out on me about something I have never talked about here.

  157. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    I took care of your reckless claim about Hunter Thompson making up adrenochrome by posting research on it. That’s right.

    You idiots were acting like crack addicted monkeys about adrenochrome when I had never said anything about it as evidenced in the quote.

    Own goal

  158. Anonymous
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    I think it is perfectly plausible that Mark Maynard is running an adrenochrome extraction factory underneath Landline. Notice how he put it right in front of a bus stop.

  159. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    “You then went on to talk about the child torture going on in secret left wing cabals run by the Clintons.”

    What did I say? Use quotes only. I don’t care what you think I said.

    “You didn’t even acknowledge that Q was the source of your theories until we discovered it and called you on it.”

    So what if I didn’t mention Q until I felt like it (when someone asked, not you)? It was fun to see how many things I could say that you would completely freak out about but that I could see would probably end up being true. Many have and more are about to.

    I have been around for a while. I wouldn’t say I “get my theories” from Q or anyone. What theories anyway? I entertain possibilities and do my best to determine their likelihood.

    “You believe a lot, clearly, but aren’t willing to state the full extent of it. Naturally we would ask you about the various branches of the Qanon conspiracy theories.”

    I don’t think there is any way for you to understand my relationship to the concept of belief. I have explained it and you haven’t understood it at all. I try to avoid it as much as possible. See? You are so infected with the belief virus you think I say things I don’t.

    You refuse to find out what Q is. Various branches? I’ve told you a fair bit, more than you have learned elsewhere but you refuse to learn. Your questions are asinine and repetitive. I would have told you wayyy more a long time ago but you are stuck in the mud.

    “Q is the unifying theory that makes your obsessions and blind spots make sense. Like your obsession with justice re child sex trafficking and pedophilia (not rocket science there) but your refusal to take seriously any charges of same or similar against Trump.”

    Nice opinion. I wouldn’t say not turning a blind eye like you equals obsession. Again you are in deep, deep destructive denial.

  160. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    On a logical level you fail so bad it’s a shame. I took the Katie Johnson story extremely seriously. Far more than you I’m sure. I found out everything I could about it. You would know that if you weren’t immune to reality. It’s bizarre what you do.

  161. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    “I think it is perfectly plausible that Mark Maynard is running an adrenochrome extraction factory underneath Landline. Notice how he put it right in front of a bus stop.”

    This is hilarious. It is like pizzagate theory only you swapped out Mark’s business for the pizza parlor.

    #switcharoohumor
    #goingtheotherwaywithitisfunny
    #arfarf
    #bangbang
    #honkhonkhonk
    #dorknob

  162. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 11, 2019 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    I just re-read my harsh comment. Not my proudest moment. I apologize to Anonymous for being harsh about his joke.

  163. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 12, 2019 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Epstein had personal lodge at Interlochen

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-had-his-own-lodge-at-interlochens-prestigious-arts-camp-for-kids-in-michigan?source=twitter&via=desktop

  164. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 12, 2019 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Aloha All, While all eyes are glued on Epstein the war provocations against Iran by the US and its allies continue.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/

  165. iRobert
    Posted July 12, 2019 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Acosta has resigned.

  166. Anonymous
    Posted July 12, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    “Trump Labor Secretary Alex Acosta resigns amid pressure from Jeffrey Epstein sex traffic case”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/12/labor-secretary-alex-acosta-is-resigning-as-pressure-mounts-from-jeffrey-epstein-case.html

  167. Anonymous
    Posted July 12, 2019 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    “U.S. Prosecutors File New Charges, Including Child Pornography, Against R. Kelly”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/nyregion/rkelly-arrested.html

  168. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted July 12, 2019 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, With this weekends scheduled ICE sweeps (with the corresponding suspension of civil liberties in the border areas–like Detroit), my friend Elena Herrada has put forth some thing we can all do to show solidarity with those whom The Leader has chosen for ethnic cleansing.
    “Reflections on citizenship. I’m an American citizen. I did absolutely nothing to earn that status. My father was among those repatriated who are also American citizens. They were actually de patriated. This weekend is the concert of colors. Because of my citizenship status in my mixed blood which allows me to pass for white, I could freely attend without worries. How many of our neighbors will not be able to safely leave their homes this weekend. They will still be worrying even inside their homes. We were living in a moment of state-sponsored terrorism. Innocent people are being held in camps for trying to escape unspeakable conditions in their Homeland. We have a president who supports pedophilia, human trafficking, encourages hatred and now his set Homeland Security upon a defenseless community. We have now learned said if we answer questions on the census they can be used against us. In solidarity with those who are being hunted like animals, I will not attend public events this weekend or spend a penny in this economy.”

    https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

  169. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 12, 2019 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Why do you lie? The President is smashing pedos and human traffickers as is possible to know simply by reading the news. Mega busts are happening in the Trump era. That quote you put up doesn’t make sense at all. He has citizenship status in his mixed blood? How in the fuck did it get there?

  170. John Brown
    Posted July 12, 2019 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    agent orange has a strange affect for a triumphant crusher of pedos. He looks more scared than victorious. Tick tock.

    He knows this ends with him strung up, figuratively if not literally, but we can hope….

  171. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 12, 2019 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    You’ve been wrong on every single thing so far so what makes you think you’ll start being right at this time? The writing is on the wall for the criminals who you spew this propaganda on behalf of. Deep State Express to Gitmo – all expenses paid.

  172. Sad
    Posted July 12, 2019 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    HW are you ever wrong?

    So much winning……

  173. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 13, 2019 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Yep. Sometimes I am completely wrong. Definitely on a hot streak right now though. Wouldn’t you say?

  174. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 14, 2019 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    It’s either once in a while or all the time depending the frame of reference. I try to assume everything I I think I know has a better way to be understood Not very often on here though relative to the pugnacious prognosticators who laugh at true facts then get slapped in the face by their own comments when they turn out wrong. Most of what I have said has panned out already or still could. Every single thing the derp squad says turns out to be a lie.

    Trump Organization likely faces no charges in months long probe
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/12/politics/trump-organization-federal-prosecutors/index.html

  175. Sad
    Posted July 14, 2019 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    You should go back to the Hyborian age where you came from? Things are a mess back there. Why don’t you try to fix things there rather than mess up things in this age?

  176. iRobert
    Posted July 15, 2019 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    Epstein is trying to get released on bail today. He’s an obvious flight risk. He also likely has contracts out on his life, placed on him by customers of his child sex operation seeking to put an end to the case. If released, I’m betting they get him. They have a good chance of getting him even if he isn’t released from custody, but with proper precautions he could be kept alive through the trial.

  177. James Thomas
    Posted July 18, 2019 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    “Given that Epstein was a friend of Donald Trump’s…” And suddenly the entire narrative went off the rails and descended into dishonest, partisan rubbish.

  178. iRobert
    Posted July 25, 2019 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    From NBC NYC:

    Jeffrey Epstein Found Injured in NYC Jail Cell After Possible Suicide Attempt: Sources

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Jeffrey-Epstein-Found-Injured-in-NYC-Jail-Cell-After-Possible-Suicide-Attempt-or-Assault-Sources-513174311.html

  179. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 25, 2019 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 0e811b No.7039585
    Jul 14 2019 14:47:53 (EST)
    How do you eliminate a LIABILITY?
    Where is EPSTEIN being held?
    Reconcile.
    Do you believe in coincidences?
    POWERful people connected?
    PANIC.
    Q

  180. iRobert
    Posted July 25, 2019 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Epstein has had it explained to him that he takes himself out or one of his loved ones will be. I don’t think a sociopath predator like Epstein would ever be genuinely suicidal. Monsters are never suicidal. But they will kill themselves as part of a deal to save a loved one from a same or worse fate.

  181. iRobert
    Posted July 25, 2019 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Epstein said he didn’t remember what happened. It’s still possible that his injury wasn’t self inflicted.

  182. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 25, 2019 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: d63763 No.7177956
    Jul 25 2019 00:38:05 (EST)
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/07/23/jeffrey-epstein-appeal-no-bail-ruling-child-sex-trafficking-case/1803636001/
    Does a person who fights hard for bail, then appeals the original decision (attempt to overturn), attempt suicide prior to the ruling of the appeal?
    Logical thinking.
    Q

  183. iRobert
    Posted July 25, 2019 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if greater effort will be made to keep him alive. I also wonder if he can get adiquate personal protection for his loved ones.

    I wonder how much money has been placed on his life.

  184. iRobert
    Posted July 25, 2019 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    From Law Enforcement Today:

    Epstein injured in jail: suicide attempt or hit by former cop?

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/epstein-injured-in-jail-suicide-attempt-or-hit-by-former-cop/

  185. iRobert
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    From The NEw York Times:

    Jeffrey Epstein Hoped to Seed Human Race With His DNA

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/business/jeffrey-epstein-eugenics.amp.html

  186. iRobert
    Posted August 5, 2019 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    From the Business Insider:

    Inside the mysterious Manhattan apartment building on East 66th Street, where underage models, lawyers, and key players in Jeffrey Epstein’s sex-trafficking circle all live. Ex-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak is a frequent visitor.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/the-nyc-building-at-the-center-of-jeffrey-epsteins-web-2019-8

  187. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 6, 2019 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Trump has known for a long time. See how masterfully he trolled them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7jhPzH9LXM

  188. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 9, 2019 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Epstein document dump

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6250270-Sweet-Opinion-Unsealed.html

  189. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 9, 2019 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Epstein claimed to be friends with Donald Trump but victim never saw Trump with Epstein or at any of his properties.

    https://twitter.com/MrsPatriot3/status/1159846771104919553

  190. iRobert
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Epstein is dead.

  191. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    God fucking damn it.

  192. Sad
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    The MCC in New York is under the supervision of the DOJ .

    Bill Barr had Epstein killed to protect Trump.

    Scoundrels!

  193. iRobert
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    It’s almost impossible to keep a person alive in custody if he’s got a huge contract out on him. The only way to do it under that threat is by holding in a remote location known only to the few agents with him. If that’s not what’s done, the point is to get him killed.

  194. Sad
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    But Trump had to know he was a target.

    Why not have Barr take extreme measures to protect him?

    I thought Trump was going to use Epstein to expose the deep dark secrets?

  195. Meta
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    NBC News: “After Epstein’s suicide, conspiracy theories flourish online”

    Epstein’s death was quickly seized on by an editor for conservative news website The Blaze, conservative radio hosts, a Florida Republican party official and a Trump appointee, all of whom sought to connect the suicide to the Clinton family. Lynne Patton, a regional administrator for the Department of Housing and Urban Development appointed by President Donald Trump, referred to the Clinton-based conspiracy theory on her Instagram account.

    Read more:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/after-epstein-s-suicide-conspiracy-theories-flourish-online-n1041106

  196. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    How can you commit suicide when you are on…suicide watch?

  197. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    “I thought Trump was going to use Epstein to expose the deep dark secrets?”

    Evidence seized? Perhaps it will be part of discovery in Ghislane Maxwell’s trial or any of a number of people involved.

  198. iRobert
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Has anyone mentioned what item with which Epstein was found hung?

  199. iRobert
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    That’s quite a quick investigation that declares a death a suicide immediately. That’s some lightning-fast forensics. It’s funny all these brilliant reporters and police haven’t thought to describe any details of the hanging. I guess there is no point anyway. The public are mouth-breathing morons almost to the last.

  200. Vlad
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Privyet, my puppets have been neglecting their duties. This conspiracy between Trump and Clinton to cover up the world wide pedio ring will be exposed. My minions, puppets and willing dupes will not let the Clinton Trump (and house of Windsor) conspiracy to triumph. Remember to check Qanon and RT for the latest revelations.

  201. iRobert
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    From NBC:

    Prison experts are stunned and angry that Jeffrey Epstein was taken off suicide watch

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prison-experts-are-stunned-angry-jeffrey-epstein-was-taken-suicide-n1041121

    “…Epstein was taken off suicide watch in the days before he took his own life, officials told NBC News, a decision that baffled former wardens and veterans of the federal prison system.

    For them to pull him off suicide watch is shocking,” Cameron Lindsay, a former warden who worked at three federal facilities, told NBC News. “For someone this high-profile, with these allegations and this many victims, who has had a suicide attempt in the last few weeks, you can take absolutely no chances. You leave him on suicide watch until he’s out of there.”

  202. iRobert
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Anybody want to bet no camera was operating which would have captured any of the action? He will have had been put in a cell without cameras around, or the cameras will not be in operating condition. I’m clairvoyant like that.

    Still no specifics being reported on the item from which he was found hanging. But don’t read anything into that. There’s no reason to wonder about such things.

  203. Sad
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    I ask again.

    Why wasn’t Trump aware of any of these threats to Epstein? Why didn’t he make sure he was protected? Is the Clinton group so powerful that they can pressure Trump and the justice department to conspire in Epstein’s death?

    HW excuse me if I misunderstood but I thought all this time you had been telling us that Q was revealing that Trump was going to expose sex trafficking and slavery groups associated with powerful people and expose them and prosecute them. If Epstein was the start of that why would a Trump allow him to die?

  204. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Did the President order him off suicide watch? Kind of a dorky question. There was an official statement today the investigation continues.

  205. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Donald J. Trump retweeted:

    https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1160256105399967744

  206. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    I would say NXIVM was the start of elite trafficking being prosecuted, wouldn’t you? NXIVM parties were held by Richard Branson on his own private Virgin Island I think not far from Little St. James. I wonder if there is a connection.

  207. Sad
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    So Trump and Barr although aware of the peril Epstein was in we’re unable to protect him from rogue elements at a DOJ controlled facility?

    Got it.

    The only dorky question is a question that doesn’t get asked. And you weren’t even able to answer it.

  208. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think you can hold the President and Barr personally responsible for every thing. Epstein was charged with conspiracy so this will not go away no matter if some of those powerful interests murdered him or he did himself in. The evidence seized will to expose a whole bunch of shit. Ghislane Maxwell up next.

    Pretty sure they put him in there to protect against flight, murder, suicide, all that. There are a lot of possibilities as to what happened. I don’t think the President and AG Barr were negligent. There are a lot of rumors flying around about different scenarios but who knows exactly what occurred? Hopefully we all will.

  209. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Evidence *will be used* to expose

  210. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Gimme mah mufuh’n props manh. When was it I told you NXIVM was going down and Allison Mack was singing? Oh yeah, about a year before it went public. Props mufuh.

  211. Sad
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    You do without a doubt seem to have a plethora of knowledge about high level sexual abuse in certain social groups.

    Congratulations!

  212. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    What I find interesting is how the allegations contained in yesterdays release of court documents are believed in by the right wing or at least that the allegations have some merit, but allegations that substantially mirror these same allegations in the Jane Doe v. Donald Trump suit that was dropped in 2016 are not believable. The only differences I see between yesterday’s block buster allegations against Richardson, Mitchel Prince Andrew and Dershowitz are that Epstein settled his law suit, while Trump’s accuser (who says she was being threatened) withdrew her suit. The fact patterns contained in both are similar enough to have come from the same play book.

    Everybody split apart into your self defined tribes and go at it. Remember, show no mercy or understanding to your opponents.

  213. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Just so there is no misunderstanding. I believe all the accusers.

  214. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    In fact (coming out of my corner swinging) I think it is much more likely that the Qanon is a Trump misinformation campaign. He has known since Jane Doe v. D Trump that the Epstein scandal was a major threat to him. First intimidate the victim into dropping the suit. Second bribe Acosta with a cabinet post. Third wage a relentless war against “fake news” (only through the constant reporting of the Miami Herald has the scandal of Epstein been pushed to the front.) Nothing Trump has done has been in furtherance of the Epstein investigation, rather it has just been the professional staff of the DOJ which had moved it forward.

    We know they are all corrupt shits, if they weren’t pedo’s they all looked the other way.
    Trump’s Mara Largo just keeps coming up–guilty by association–I’m in favor of it.

    Just sayin. Will anybody believe any investigation?

  215. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Just so we’re clear, Trump is already rallying the base

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/trump-spreading-conspiracy-theory-suggesting-bill-clinton-murdered-jeffrey-epstein/

  216. iRobert
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    I too believe the accusers. I predict more ‘suicides’ are coming. Very timely accidents are another common occurance in these sorts of situations.

  217. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    After filing suit before the election Jane Doe vaporized when it came out that Epstein did not have a place in NYC in 1994. We’ve been through this. I already posted the witness/victim Virginia Giuffre never saw Trump with Epstein and never saw him at Epstein properties. Sure does not hurt what I have said but it does put a dent in what you say.

  218. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Just so we know who is currently in charge of pursuing the conspiracy part of the now dead Epstein investigation. (from wikipedia)
    ” Upon President Donald Trump’s firing Preet Bharara as U.S. Attorney, Trump reportedly interviewed Berman among other candidates for the position.[18] Berman had performed some part-time volunteer work for the Trump transition.[19] On January 3, 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced Berman’s appointment as U.S. Attorney, along with sixteen other former prosecutors, to serve in various offices around the country on an interim basis until the Senate can permanently confirm them.[20][21] The Trump Administration never nominated Berman or most of the other interim appointments. On April 25, 2018, the Chief Judge of the Southern District of New York entered an order formally on behalf of a unanimous court appointing Berman United States Attorney pursuant to its authority under 28 U.S.C Section 546(d). Berman has the appointment indefinitely, until an individual nominated by the President is confirmed by the Senate, or he is dismissed from the position by the President.[4]”

    He goes back to the Iran Contra investigation but left Government service and ultimately “Berman was a partner of Rudy Giuliani at Greenberg Traurig.[14”

    Like I said above, given the hyper partisanship that the Leader has chosen to invest the whole Epstein investigation with, WILL ANYONE BELIEVE THE RESULTS OF AN INVESTIGATION

  219. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Breman has never been vetted by a Senate committee to determine his qualifications to be the Prosecutor. Interesting I think

  220. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    HW , “Epstein did not have a place in NYC in 1994.” Yeah, he was using his mentors house who sold him the sex slave mansion for a buck a couple month later.

    https://www.curbed.com/2015/1/9/10004040/jeffrey-epstein-property-real-estate-holdings

  221. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Now we know the reason why it was so important for Trump to be made leader that CNN would give him hundreds of millions of free air time. Why Hillary thought he would be the best candidate to oppose, (regardless of who gets elected our crimes remain hidden). But like all venal criminals Trump has thrown his fellow plutocrat under the train.

  222. Sad
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Trump and Barr let Epstein be killed as part of secret sting to finally get the Clintons.

  223. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    HW, the man Epstein was mentored by is Leslie H. Wexner. “On January 23, 1993, Wexner, then 55 years of age, married Abigail S. Koppel, 31, an attorney, in a ceremony at their home in New Albany, Ohio.[24]”. Two things I would note about this 1) Wexner married a woman 24 years younger than himself, ( the common sexist, but anti-pedio rule of thumb since i was a kid was take your age divide by 2 and add 8 is the youngest woman you should marry–go ahead and play with the math). And that they were living in Ohio rather than in the slave mansion in New York.

    I believe the victims

  224. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    I’ve known about Wexner’s association with Epstein for a while now. You are way behind but trying to tell me: “HW, the man Epstein was mentored by…” He is the Victoria’s Secret guy. Oh yeah, household brand names getting fucked up now.

    If Epstein was abusing girls there then that would explain the timing of Katie Johnson’s complaint. Why does her interview seem so phony? The address in her lawsuit was abandoned. That is evidence it was never meant to go to trial. How much more obvious does it need to be for you to see it was a ploy to create a negative perception about Donald Trump to affect the election? Let’s see what the other people who were supposed to be there according to Katie say under oath about Trump being there or not.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpstc9r_esA

  225. Sad
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Why did Trimp allow Epstein to be killed when he was under DOJ control?

  226. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Obviously because the Clinton’s (despite being out of office for 18 years for Bill and 6 years for Hillary) wield far more power than the Leader. Clearly the prison officials who allowed this to happen wished to curry favor, or accept cash, with the all powerful Clinton’s after all they would be able to shield them from any potential investigation.

    I’m looking forward in finding out if iRobert calls this right, ” Anybody want to bet no camera was operating which would have captured any of the action? He will have had been put in a cell without cameras around, or the cameras will not be in operating condition. I’m clairvoyant like that.”

  227. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    This is an interesting fact about the investigation. Now that Epstein is dead, there is no one with legal standing to challenge the disclosure of the results of the various search warrants. More and more it is beginning to look like Breman is the man of the hour. The law firm he worked for was started in Miami in that same early 90’s period that Epstein was getting started. I wonder if the firm represented Epstein, or any of his johns. I wonder what Breman did while working for this law firm for over a decade. I wonder why the Leader did not nominate him for the position.

  228. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    I wonder why the Leader was hanging out with Ghislaine Maxwell

    https://www.revelist.com/politics/i-talked-with-katie-johnson/3573/default/6

  229. wobblie
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    I believe the victims

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/5556/7-things-you-need-know-about-trump-and-sex-slave-amanda-prestigiacomo

    People only engage in this type of activity openly when they have a circle of friends.

  230. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    “Obviously because the Clinton’s (despite being out of office for 18 years for Bill and 6 years for Hillary) wield far more power than the Leader.”

    They have the elite behind them so that is quite a lot of power at their disposal. Hillary had the power to hinder Trump before and after he became President with the bogus intel Mueller’s investigation was predicated on. I’d say that’s a fair bit of power right there. Imagine how much we could have accomplished if the first two years of Trump’s presidency was not wasted on Hillary’s crooked smear.

    People are going down for this Epstein shit and it won’t be Trump. In all the time Roberts/Giuffre was at Epstein’s places she never saw him there and never saw them together. Trump was stinging Epstein and pals like Clinton and Gore and Prince Andrew. Watch how it turns out.

  231. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2019 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    “Sad
    Posted August 10, 2019 at 8:03 pm | Permalink
    You do without a doubt seem to have a plethora of knowledge about high level sexual abuse in certain social groups.
    Congratulations!”

    It’s an important issue. It cuts to the heart of just about everything wrong. It’s all tied to the abuse through blackmail; war and poverty and everything. Many politicians in the USA and the world are selected for their particular blackmailable behavior and willingness to do whatever it takes to please their masters. Don’t forget Hillary groveling before Lyn De Rothschild begging to know what penance she owes for her transgression. That’s who you think would be a better President than Donald Trump, huh? I mean…why? She’s a chunk of pure concentrated evil. She was going to make war on Russia to cover for her phony Trump Russia scheme. Evil, dude!

    It’s all coming down anyway. When I do not know. The pattern of Q’s information being far ahead of public events is too strong to dismiss. With everything seeming to line up now I do sense The Storm is brewing.

  232. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2019 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpK_3e5E42o

  233. wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2019 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    HW, I think my conspiracy is far more likely than your conspiracy. “The pattern of Q’s information being far ahead of public events is too strong to dismiss. ” Undoubtedly another participant or some one who is being fed info by one of the pedophiles–I’m guessing Trump. Trump know he is sunk, next thing to do to save his presidency, EXPAND the WARS. These evil shits only have one play book. Trump, Clinton, take your pick of plutocratic sycophants they are all the same. They attend each others social events, go to each others family weddings and give each other tax breaks.

    There are so many pictures of Trump with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell that your denials of reality are simply pathetic. By the way Jane Doe (Katie Johnson) had two corroborating witnesses. Tina Doe, was replaced by Maxwell in Epstein service, a fact that is rather easy to determine. The first evidence of Maxwell being Epstein’s “madame” comes in 1996, after the events Jane Doe and Tina Doe describe.

    Trump’s pediphilic inclinations have been on display for all to see, from walking in on underage beauty pageant contestants to his incestuous comments about his own daughter.

  234. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2019 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    I never denied Trump socialized with Epstein. He even flew on the plane once long ago. If he was a pedo though why would he never pop over to Jeffie Jeff’s and get some kids? Bill Clinton denied knowing anything about Epstein’s illegal activities even though they were tiiiight.

  235. wobblie
    Posted August 11, 2019 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    https://www.facebook.com/367105936678679/photos/a.372249079497698/2325549144167672/?type=3&theater

  236. dogmatic dolt
    Posted August 11, 2019 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Aloha, My apologies to the MM community. I try to keep that crazy partisan conspiracy theorist Wobblie under lock and key, but he escaped last night, took me till this morning to get him back into lock down.

    As Tulsi says,” As President, I’ll lead with the unifying spirit of love of country & each other — we’re all connected, all children of God, no matter our race, religion, or where we come from. ”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFs6TQF69PY‬

  237. Jean Henry
    Posted August 11, 2019 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/trumps-conspiracy-theory-about-clintons-and-epstein/595915/

  238. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2019 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    https://www.facebook.com/367105936678679/photos/a.372249079497698/2325549144167672/?type=3&theater

    “Don’t worry honey, I will never, ever let these bad people touch you.”

    Donald Trump carried out the perfect sting on Epstein and pals. That’s what I think. Why did Epstein get busted during the Trump era but got off light during Obama? Did you know Mueller was head of the FBI when he got the wrist slap treatment? Donald Trump helped so much in the civil case against him they withdrew the subpoena for him to testify.

  239. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 11, 2019 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    “August 10, 1969: San Clemente, California—President Richard Nixon accused his predecessor Lyndon Baines Johnson of complicity in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Speaking with reporters on the first day of a 10-day stay at his Pacific Ocean vacation home …

    Of course, that never happened. Obviously. How could it; how dare it?”

    How dare something like that happen! Funny shit.

  240. dogmatic dolt
    Posted August 11, 2019 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Aloha MM Community,
    wobblie’s family wanted me to pass on the following

    Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers. Wobblie is doing much better now. It was touch and go for a while this morning. He just wouldn’t stop saying, “trust the victims” and “it all begins at Mar a Largo”. The Doctors are not sure if he stopped taking his medications or if there was some triggering event, something that he might have seen or heard. In any event his new meds finally kicked in and he drifted off to sleep, muttering some thing very cryptic. We have no idea what he might have been talking about but Dogamtic assures us that the MM community would understand, he whispered “listen to iRobert, he will know”
    Thank you again for the thoughts and prayers we know we couldn’t get through this without you.
    The Wobblie family

  241. Posted November 13, 2019 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Exposing Jeffrey Epstein’s international sex trafficking ring | 60 Minutes Australia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQOOxOl9l80

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