Killing gays in Uganda, stealing money at home, and negotiating healthcare in secret

Tonight, I wanted to write about how fucked up things are in Uganda, where they’re now considering the death penalty for homosexuality, about how Obama is going back on his promise to negotiate the details of the healthcare bill in the light of day, and how it looks as though Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner may have, when he was with the Federal Reserve, channeled bailout money through AIG to Goldman Sachs, where he had previously worked, urging all parties involved to keep their mouths shut, but I’ve decided to curl up with a glass of cheap scotch and an old Sherlock Holmes book instead, so you’re on your own… I feel terrible for doing it to you, but there’s only so much reading one can do about Christian missionaries demonizing gays, the crooked bullshit that went on around the bank bailout, and the depressing state of healthcare negotiations, before your head starts throbbing… Best of luck to those of you who attempt it.

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  1. dp in ypsi
    Posted January 7, 2010 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    I know how you feel… I still can’t read an issue of Mother Jones, the New Yorker or the Atlantic from cover to cover in one sitting.

  2. Ed
    Posted January 8, 2010 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    It’s bad enough that Geithner used tax-payer dollars to buy up bad debt from his friends, paying full price, when, on the open market, it would have cost pennies on the dollar. If, on top of that, he was using AIG to funnel money to his cronies, and encouraging them to keep it quiet, we should keep Gitmo open and throw him in.

  3. Kim
    Posted January 8, 2010 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Those so-called Christina missionaries that went to Uganda preaching their anti-gay bullshit should be held accountable for their actions.

  4. kingpin
    Posted January 8, 2010 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    All this junk has been going on for years & years. I’ve been thinking lately, how much happier I was 15 years ago…when I didn’t give a shit, or follow any politics.
    Hi…I’d like to order an ignorant sandwich with extra bliss, and a coke. Yes…I’d like fries with that too…and supersize it please.

  5. Walt Thorsson
    Posted January 8, 2010 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    All media reports are that the American fundamentalist Christians were there to promote programs to “re-educate” persons convicted of being homosexual. The Americans were promoting the equivalent of mandatory drug treatment for drug offenders while the Ugandans are promoting the mandatory execution of drug offenders.

    It goes without saying that homosexuality should be decriminalized in Uganda. But to draw the connection between the visit of a few Americans and a Ugandan policy promoting capital punishment (in direct, logical conflict with the policy they were promoting) is kneejerk and careless. We may feel the need to get angry and make someone accountable, but it just isn’t that easy. This policy is the result of Uganda’s complex social, political, religious, and economic conditions. Not the result of three white fellow who flew in for a weekend seminar.

  6. Sure
    Posted January 8, 2010 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Yes, it’s not strictly fault. I agree with you. These three certainly didn’t help, though. They poured gasoline on the fire.

  7. Peter Larson
    Posted January 8, 2010 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    I find African policies and attitudes against homosexuality deplorable. I also know that policies in African countries are often ineffectively enforced and implemented.

    I think that people on this end of the world would do better to focus on the deplorable way that homo/trans people are treated in this country before pointing fingers at other countries. As the wealthiest, one of the most educated and supposedly advanced country in the world, we have much to be embarrassed about.

  8. kjc
    Posted January 8, 2010 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    “We may feel the need to get angry and make someone accountable, but it just isn’t that easy. This policy is the result of Uganda’s complex social, political, religious, and economic conditions. Not the result of three white fellow who flew in for a weekend seminar.”

    it seems pretty clear to me that the people who failed to consider the complex social/religious/economic context were the three white fellows. i think it’s just that easy.

  9. Peter Larson
    Posted January 8, 2010 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    It seems pretty clear to me that those types of folks you mention would rejoice if there were a state policy of exterminating homosexuals, much as they may state publicly that they wouldn’t.

  10. Me
    Posted January 8, 2010 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t Uganda the home of Joseph Kony?

  11. EOS
    Posted January 9, 2010 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    According to the links provided, the 3 Americans were in Uganda to: “to provide counseling for those who experience unwanted same-sex attractions (SSA), including their family members, and to educate all people about the facts of homosexuality—1) no one is born this way, 2) no one chooses to have SSA, and 3) that changing from homosexual to heterosexual is possible.”

    They weren’t demonizing gays. They don’t rejoice at the thought of exterminating homosexuals. They try to help those who have unwanted same-sex attractions. They are spending their time, money, and efforts to help others.

    Everyone will be held accountable for their actions. Those who encourage others to engage in behaviors that forfeit their eternal souls will be held accountable.

    “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.”
    Matthew 10:28

  12. the injector
    Posted January 9, 2010 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    same sex attraction would not be unwanted if it were not for cultural and religious constructs that say it should be unwanted.

  13. Posted January 10, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    On this same subject, here’s some seriously fucked up shit from Malawi about how gays worship Satan.

  14. Peter Larson
    Posted January 10, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    The Malawi newspapers are an endless source of articles just too weird to be made up.

  15. Posted January 11, 2010 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    EOS – Let me be sure I understand your “facts” of homosexuality: no one is born having same-sex attraction and no one chooses to have same-sex attraction. So how do you explain people who are attracted to others of the same sex? Demonic possession?

  16. Peter Larson
    Posted January 11, 2010 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Or the people born with no sex attraction at all. One must assume that they choose not to be attracted and are really raging sex maniacs on the inside.

  17. EOS
    Posted January 12, 2010 at 8:07 am | Permalink


    There’s a ton of information in the medical literature that could educate you on this issue. In short – it’s not nature, it’s nurture/not genetic, but environmental. It’s certainly not an immutable trait as evidenced by the large number of persons who have successfully changed their sexual orientation.

    SSA would not be unwanted if it satisfied the needs of the individual.

  18. Curt Waugh
    Posted January 12, 2010 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Hey EOS, a;lafs; sdlhtoye jks;sdghng uyhas.sasd ashal;s fgpor;lsfg eoe ;klashk edoiahg g;lad g;aegeier0oaflf fg s;ld w aw;lhks d;lf;aj.

    And my argument makes as much sense as yours, you ignorant bigot.

  19. Posted January 12, 2010 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Some are saying that Geithner may do time.

  20. EOS
    Posted January 13, 2010 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Curt –
    I think you got it backwards there. Just because you can’t understand doesn’t make the other person ignorant.

  21. Edward
    Posted January 13, 2010 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    There was no evolution on 9/11!

  22. dude
    Posted January 13, 2010 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    EoS, you might like this article. It seems that you are on to something.

    Gay prisoners were also subjected to vile medical experiments. At Buchenwald, Nazi doctors claimed to have developed an artificial male sex hormone that would eradicate homosexuality. When it was implanted in gay inmates, however, two died and the rest showed no change in sexual orientation. The doctors nevertheless boasted to the SS chief, Heinrich Himmler, that “this implant, known as 3A, is proven to reverse homosexuality to a normal sex drive”. After the war, these medical abuses were never cited at the Nuremburg Trials and none of the Nazi doctors involved was ever prosecuted.

  23. julius
    Posted January 29, 2010 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    Homosexuality is a total disgrace. We in Uganda completely shun away from that uncouth sexual behaviour. Please note that, like poles do not attract each other. It’s so disgusting seeing men kissing each other in public and now, when it comes to … oh no! God bless this crazy world

  24. anonymous
    Posted October 30, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Thought that people would like to see where EOS stands on the murder of gays.

  25. Meta
    Posted November 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    New developments:

    Uganda will officially pass the ‘Kill The Gays’ bill at the end of this year despite international criticism.

    Speaker Rebecca Kadaga said the anti-gay bill will become law by December since most Ugandans ‘are demanding it’.

    Referring to the law as a ‘Christmas gift’ to the population, she spoke of ‘the serious threat’ posed by homosexuals.

    The law will broaden the criminalization of same-sex relationships by dividing homosexuality into two categories; aggravated homosexuality and the offense of homosexuality.

    ‘Aggravated homosexuality’ is defined as gay acts committed by parents or authority figures, HIV-positive people, pedophiles and repeat offenders. If convicted, they will face the death penalty.

    The ‘offense of homosexuality’ includes same-sex sexual acts or being in a gay relationship, and will be prosecuted by life imprisonment.

    Read more:

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