China, if you’re listening…

Remember how, back during the 2016 election, Donald Trump stood on a stage and encouraged the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails, saying, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing“? Well, something really similar happened this morning on the south lawn of the White House, where Donald Trump was being questioned by reporters about his efforts to persuade Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to initiate an investigation into Joe Biden. You might expect a president facing impeachment for encouraging a foreign government to interfere in a U.S. election to avoid such a question, but Trump jumped right in, not only confirming that, yes, he had wanted Zelensky to open an investigation into Joe Biden, but also that he wants for China to do the same thing. For all of you who said you needed to actually see a smoking gun during the Mueller investigation, here it is. The President of the United States, after a week of saying that he’d done no such thing, just admitted that he not only pushed Ukraine to open an investigation, but said very clearly that he wants the Chinese to do the same.

This, to quote Joe Biden, is a big fucking deal. Yes, those of us who can read already knew that Trump had attempted to coerce the Ukrainians into helping him in the campaign abasing Biden, as it’s spelled out pretty much word for word in the official White House memorandum of Trump’s July 25 call with Zelensky, but it’s one thing to read the transcript, and it’s another to hear the man, in his own words, say that his intention in calling Zelensky was to convince him to “start a major investigation.”

It’s worth noting that this public admission of Trump’s happened after Ellen Weintraub, the chair of the Federal Elections Commission, reminded the President and the Republicans that, “It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in commotion with a U.S. election.” You would think, having gone though the Russia investigation, that simple fact would have sunk in a bit, but maybe not.

Personally, I think Trump knows that he’s fucked, and he’s determined that the only path available to him so to essentially say, “Yeah, I did it, so fucking what?” I mean, he can’t, like before, just say that, unless we can demonstrate collusion, it’s a victory for him. We already have the evidence of collusion. We know that, without offering a reason, Donald Trump stepped in to stop a nearly $400 million foreign aid package for Ukraine passed by Congress. And we know, shortly afterward, he and Zelensky spoke. And we know, during that call, after Zelensky says that he’d like the money so that Ukraine might buy weapons to help protect them against the Russians, Donald Trump responds by saying, “I would like you to do us a favor, though,” before suggesting that they open an investigation into Joe Biden and his family. Given all of this, I think it’s pretty clear that Trump’s only path forward is to own up to all of it, and hope that the American people think, “Well, if he’s talking about it, it must not be that bad.”

I could go on. There’s a lot to say… But I’ve got some ElizabethThe CougarWarren t-shirts to make.

Oh, one last thing on the whole Ukraine deal… The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Marie Yovanovitch, the ambassador to Ukraine, was removed from her post after she opposed the idea of pushing the country to initiate a Biden probe. One hopes she’s called to testify soon.

Wait. One more thing. Above, I mentioned Donald Trump’s “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing” comment. I didn’t, however, mention the fact that, the day after he said it, the Russian’s launched their hacking campaign against Hillary Clinton and the DNC. Well, something similar happened today, and I think it’s worth note. Shortly after Donald Trump made his comment about how he wanted the Chinese to investigate Biden, it would seem that someone in Chairman Xi’s government reached out to the White House to ask if they were serious. And apparently they were encouraged to go ahead.

Oh, and Trump’s White House apparently went so far as to draft an announcement for the Ukrainians to put out, announcing that they’d opened an investigation into the Bidens. Thankfully, the Ukrainians held firm in their opposition to the plan.


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  1. Dave Morris
    Posted October 3, 2019 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

  2. Jean Henry
    Posted October 3, 2019 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Trump has a gift for normalizing the criminal.

    We are finding the bleeding edges of presidential powers.

    It’s up to congress to apply the check on that expansion of power. I doubt they have the moral courage. This is a time when patriotism asks more than a lapel pin or and waving flag.

  3. wobblie
    Posted October 3, 2019 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Chairmen Shiff and Engel statement on the progress of their investigations.

  4. From Fox News
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    Judge Andrew Napolitano: Trump held up aid “and instead asked for a favor, which arguably was for his political campaign. That was a violation of federal law. That is an impeachable offense.“

  5. Anonymous
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    “China will not interfere in the internal affairs of the US, and we trust that the American people will be able to sort out their own problems,” China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi said.

  6. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    It’s the Biden’s that got the fuckin’ money. Investigating corruption that occurred in previous administrations equals seeking help with 2020 exactly how? This is the same thing you have been doing for years and turning out to be wrong.

  7. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    HW— let me help you.
    “Investigating corruption that occurred in previous administrations equals seeking help with 2020,” when Person being investigated is your likely opponent and you are the President..

    Trump committed the same crime on air yesterday. The only question now is whether what Trump did was illegal. And amounts to a high crime or misdemeanor. And most people agree it was. Increasingly they are Republicans. We’ll see if they have moral courage.

    You are uniquely and selectively dense HW. Trump said he could shoot someone in Times Square and his base would still support him. He was talking about people like you. Cult of personality. Delusions. Righteous criminality.

  8. Anonymous
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    If you can’t hear it when Jean says it, here’s the same thing from your Vice President, Mike Pence.

    “This is basic stuff. Foreign donors — and certainly foreign governments — cannot participate in the American political process.”

    This, as Pence says, is basic stuff, HW.

  9. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    So what is the law that says if you are running for President you are immune to past crimes?

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    I guess Hunter Biden shouldn’t have taken all that money from foreign governments then, Anonymous. It is a fact that you would call for Trump’s head if he and Jr. had such an arrangement. You would say treason – off with his head. You would say it so much it would be obnoxious just hearing the sound of your voice talking about it.

  11. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    I think it is important when people are discussing and reading about this topic they resist the temptation to conflate an investigation into the Bidens, on the one hand; with an in investigation into the origins of Russiagate, on the other hand.

    Mueller report spent quite a bit of time trying to establish the hypothetical application of “thing of value” / Weintraub legal THEORY and it fell flat based upon legal opinions of others WITHIN THE REPORT.

  12. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    It’s like Jean uses these perceived little victories to call HW dumb.

    Newsflash: HW is 1000 steps ahead of you Jean.

  13. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    “Trump’s only path forward is to own up to all of it, and hope that the American people think, “Well, if he’s talking about it, it must not be that bad.””—Mark

    This is just my opinion: Mark is overestimating how well he understands things compared to the people who he probably thinks of as uneducated and deplorable. Mark is more articulate but he has almost no instinct for the truth. It sets him back a tad.

  14. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Eat The Babies campaigner at AOC town hall: “We have too many people, we only have a few months left, we have to start eating the babies!!!”

    AOC not batting an eyelid at this idea: “Fortunately we have more than a few months. We have to get to net zero within several years…”

  15. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    The Eat the Babies last was a Larouche plant HW.

    FF I never called HW dumb just selectively dense. He believes that Dems kill babies in elite pedophile rings and harvests their blood to make imaginary drugs. (And yes he has confirmed he believes all this just not the lizard people part)

    And you think he’s a thousand paces ahead of me.

    Go one digging that grave.

  16. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    He also reliably repeats the latest alt right Twitter nonsense. He is never transparent about the implications of those allegations. You would be reasonable to assume his AOC post was about climate hysteria. I suggest you get on Twitter to see what Qanon beliefs are coded therein.

  17. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    “Many a dispute among Divines may be this abridged– It is so: it is not so; It is so: It is not so.” — Benjamin Franklin

  18. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Just so you know FF, HW is following a Q directive here to infiltrate non right wing social media and soft peddle elements of Q conspiracy theories and then slowly ramp up to the more wild stuff. You are being cultivated. Kind of like how they rope in Scientologists with personalization tests or Steiner/anthroposoph folks in with Waldorf education. and you and EOS seem to be falling for it.

  19. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    ”So what is the law that says if you are running for President you are immune to past crimes?” there isn’t one. The biden accusations have been investigated and closed. And then revisited Under Trump and not opened due to lack of illegality (not evidence). So there us no criminality in what Biden did.

    What Trump did was illegal.

    I know you can’t quite fathom that. Sorry HW. Must be the deep state.

  20. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Just my opinion: Jean is so brainwashed she does not realize when HW has “snapped the neck” of her truth claims. He does it all the time. I don’t have time to do much more than throw out assertions right now.

    You and Mark seem very selectively dense to me—that is my opinion. You and Mark understand what you are told to understand.

    Hopefully, I have some free time soon so I can provide evidence for my opinions…Can’t now.

  21. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    “The Eat the Babies last was a Larouche plant HW.”

    Obviously it’s some kind of plant or troll. You think I think it is an evil satanic liberal! Funny shit. What’s actually bizarre is AOC wasn’t like “We don’t want to eat babies, now come on. I don’t know if you are serious or pulling our leg here but…”

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    It’s funny Jean can’t point to a single law against “what Trump did” but somehow it’s deficient to not fathom the fact that it’s illegal. I have hardly come across a more illogical individual on the web and that is saying a lot.

  23. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 1:02 pm | Permalink


    Let me break the news the news to EOS, ok? EOS is a very proud person and is going to feel horrible to discover HW has been slowly and cleverly indoctrinating EOS and FF into his cult all of this time. Like me, EOS probably we thought we were shining a light on the corrupt thinking happening here. Who knows what will happen when EOS finds out the two of us are the ones who have been corrupted.

    As part of my deprogramming program I am going to turn on some MSNBC. Can you recommend things to follow on Twitter? You are right. It is time for me to be get back to reality. Consider me on team twit as of now.

    Thank you!

  24. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    HW is a plant just like the baby eater plant. First they destroy Jean’s arguments. That’s how they rope you in. Next they make you sacrifice your children. Why do you think EOS is pro life? Because EOS is OPerating Thetan level III. EOS paid 2 babies and $8941 for that shit.

    How much is it going to cost me to stop thinking Rachel Maddow is full of shit Jean?

    Sounds expensive.

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    HW– I provided a link. It was a Larouche plant– that’s right wing. AOC was modulating her tone which is what you do with people who are in distress in public hearings. It’s called empathy. Look it up. The woman was removed from the room later.

    Please HW tell us what you think her calm response means? How did you interpret it.

    FF– There’s a sucker born every day.

  26. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    HW– Trump violated the constitution and so his oath of office. Impeachment is not about criminality, though Trump exhibits plenty. Impeachment is about whether or not Trump violated his oath of office. Legal charges would happen after he leaves office.

  27. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    “It should be practice for all public officials who are contacted by a foreign government with an offer of assistance … to inform the FBI and reject the offer.” — Lindsay Graham

  28. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Wow. HW just doesn’t get it. Learn to read! Read the links! It was a right wing plant which means conservative like you. And a plant like you. Legitimate news sources. Get it?

  29. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Lowborn Dorknerd,

    There are laws written down in books moron. We can provide links on the computer. They show up in blue on your screen.

    Don’t bother consulting us on analysis of the acts and the application of the laws. We have that under control.

    Read the links and don’t get back to us.

  30. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    It’s true I don’t pay close attention to what you all say. And even that is too much.

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    “Obviously it’s some kind of plant or troll.”

    “HW– I provided a link. It was a Larouche plant– that’s right wing.”

    No shit at all, Sherlock. What is your point? I’ll buy it’s a LaRoucheite. A troll by definition is trying to get a desired reaction out of a targeted group. It’s the absurdity of the performance and AOC’s “empathy” for her “distress” i.e. falling for the act that I think are the hilarious things. You do understand she was mocking the left, right?

  32. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Yes I got that. It’s easy to make fun of care and compassion of you are an asshole.

    PS turns out that Trump has not asked any foreign leaders with help cracking down in corruption of people who are not his presidential election opponents.

  33. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    In fact he hasn’t cracked down on any other vortiption of any kind.

  34. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

  35. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2019 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    No one “made fun of care and compassion” hahahaha!!! That is some funny fuckin’ shit right there. Having care and compassion for a troll means you got successfully trolled, right? She said even if we bomb Russia there will be too many people so we have to eat the babies! AOC decided to play it like she didn’t even hear that. She just talked about “all the positive things we can do” without acknowledging how crazy that was. If she thought she was being nice to someone “in distress” that means she thought it was a legit crazy person.

  36. iRobert
    Posted October 5, 2019 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    I had to look “vortiption” up in the dictionary to make sure it wasn’t a word. Seeing that it isn’t, and that autocorrect used it anyway, we should assign it a meaning now.

  37. Sad
    Posted October 5, 2019 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Two words.

    Mayor Pete.

    You’ll see.

  38. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 7, 2019 at 4:15 am | Permalink


    Keep campaigning. Keep educating. We are building a coalition. We are self-described intellectuals. But WE are also low IQ newsmen. We are Swalwellites!

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