Are these the best two political attack ads ever produced?

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  1. Anonymous
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    The only way to peal away votes from Trump is to focus on his supporters with young daughters. His supporters don’t care about the lies. They don’t care about the racism. They care about their own kids though.

  2. Jcp2
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/michigan_now_has_more_househol.html#incart_river_mobile_home

  3. John Galt
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    We’ve been telling young girls for decades that they can be whatever they want to be, and where has it gotten us? I for one applaud Trump’s efforts to get women out of the boardroom and back into the bedroom. God created women to please men and carry their babies, not to be astronauts and philosophers. And it’s about time that someone said so. We need to stop the madness and make America great again.

  4. M
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    They aren’t “attack ads” in the way we’re used to thinking about attack ads. These are different from what we’ve seen before. They aren’t like the Willie Horton ad that ran against Michael Dukakis in ’88 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io9KMSSEZ0Y) of the “swift boat” ads that ran against Kerry in ’04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngjUkPbGwAg). There’s no race-baiting, fear-mongering, or twisting of facts. These are Trump’s own words without hyperbole. These are incredibly powerful. I would love to hear a group of Trump supporters discussing these.

  5. Bob
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Ugh, Galt. Your bit is so tired.

  6. Lynne
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    The first one with the kids *might* be effective but my experience with many male Trump supporters as a fat woman is that they WANT women to feel bad about themselves if they deem them too fat to be attractive. As a fat woman who is fairly comfortable with her body, I can tell you these types sometimes lose their minds (sometimes to the point of escalating things to death threats) when they encounter a woman who won’t allow their judgement about her attractiveness affect her own judgement of her worth. That ad about the women will only encourage them to vote for Trump because the promise of raising a whole new generation of women who look to them for validation of their worth in society is actually something that they want.

  7. facebook stalker
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Mark on Facebook:

    “I’d be fascinated to know what Trump supporters make of these recent ads by the Clinton campaign. This is one of those instances where I wish I operated a real news organization. I’d love to have the resources to bring Trump supporters into a room with a trained moderator to watch these and discuss them… I should have staying on Poli Sci.”

  8. Kim
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Lynne, I suspect the “mirrors” ad isn’t directed at male Trump supporters but at female Trump supporters, of whom there are quite a lot. I think it’s also directed at women who are related to men that support Trump. But you are right when you say the typical male Trump supporter probably finds it completely acceptable that their candidate calls Rosie O’Donnell a fat pig while suggesting that it would be a “beautiful sight” to see an attractive blonde candidate on the The Apprentice “on her knees” in front of him.

  9. Andrew Clock
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Obviously nobody thinks much of these ads because Trump and Clinton moved into a dead heat as of today. And you’re still assuming that facts, statements, and the truth matter. It doesn’t. We live in a post fact society. Everyone has their own truth.

  10. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    They are both very well done ads. I don’t know how these ads won’t be effective… He is such an ass….

    Really, Lynne? Trump supporters sometimes give death threats to women who are deemed unattractive and yet still maintain high self worth? That sounds crazy….

  11. XXX
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Speaking of good ads, have you see this one from Elizabeth Warren about Trump’s taxes?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCg8hTqZnzU

  12. EOS
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    The ads are pretty lame. The Clintons should avoid any reference to being role models for children after Bill’s continuing problems with Bimbos. Hillary herself is no role model for women. All she has done is attach herself to Bill’s coattails. She has no significant accomplishment on her own and more ambition than self respect. Her attempt at health care reform was a colossal waste of money. Her name got her elected to the Senate, but she was worthless there. Her time at the State Department was a train wreck. Even her strongest supporters can’t honestly refer to a single significant accomplishment.

    It is amazing that her campaign brings up the honesty of Trump. With her track record, and decades of outrageous lies, she would be better off avoiding all references to integrity.

    It will be interesting to see if Hillary can stand for 90 minutes tonight without having any coughing fits or neurological spasms. There won’t be any neurologists standing by her side. She will probably dose up to avoid medical symptoms and could possibly end up with slurred speech and muddled thinking. She is not charismatic and if she tries to impress us with details of obscure policies she will lose the audience.

    Meanwhile, Trump will get in some good jabs about her emails. He will be entertaining. He could be a gentleman and offer her a seat for the long debate. Maybe even ask her to reveal the pseudonym Obama used and find out if there are any details about her time at the State department that she can still remember. Tonight could very well be the end of her run.

  13. kjc
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    “It will be interesting to see if Hillary can stand for 90 minutes tonight without having any coughing fits or neurological spasms. There won’t be any neurologists standing by her side. She will probably dose up to avoid medical symptoms and could possibly end up with slurred speech and muddled thinking. She is not charismatic and if she tries to impress us with details of obscure policies she will lose the audience.”

    it’s weird to say but i think this paragraph might be beneath you.

  14. Posted September 26, 2016 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Your resident turd in the punchbowl here to chime in! How is everyone?

    I hate to say this, but the kids are hearing this shit at home. How do I know this? Because they parrot it back at school. Is a kid born to say that he won’t do what a female teacher says because he doesn’t have to listen to women? Or is a kid born calling women a bitch/cunt/whore? Or does a kid just invent that his dad says he doesn’t have to do what a woman says? Or do kids just invent seeing their moms get “they ass beat” for (fill in the blank)? How about the “n” word?

    Maybe. Maybe kids ARE born saying that. I mean, I wasn’t, but whatever. So my point is that these things are being said at home, and I don’t know how many Trump supporters really give a shit. If you got a bunch of good ol’ boys in a room and had them watch this, what would happen, really? Would they smack themselves upside the head and say “DAMN!!! Yes! I SHOULD respect women! I’m a piece of shit. I’m with HER!”

    Maybe. But probably not.

    (and yes, I know I am stereotyping by saying good ol boys and that other folks beat their wives and OMG yes men get beaten too because holy fuck on a cracker gotta make sure we say that, etc.)

  15. EOS
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    It’s going to be great TV. History making! Maybe Trump will spend his time attacking Hillary’s policies or maybe just elaborate on his own agenda. Maybe he will continue to refer to “Crooked Hillary”. Maybe he will criticize Hillary for praising ObamaCare, which is now projected to once again raise premiums all across the country? Maybe he will call out Hillary for wanting to put coal miners out of business? Maybe he will criticize the Clinton Foundation’s corruption, and urge the Clintons to shut it down and return all foreign donations? Or call out Hillary’s reluctance to say “radical Islamic terrorism” and her underlying fear of being politically incorrect? Hopefully he will contrast his tell-it-like-it-is attitude with Hillary’s running list of lies, corruption, and deceit? Hopefully he will force Hillary to answer questions about her email scandal that the press still won’t ask? Maybe he will ask Hillary how it’s possible that she didn’t know how to identify confidential classified information? Maybe he will attack Hillary’s plan to grant citizenship to 11 million illegal immigrants and refusal to secure the border? Maybe he will call out Hillary’s massive spending programs while our country is suffering from a $19-trillion debt? Maybe he will quote Bernie Sanders who said that Hillary Clinton has “bad judgment”? Hopefully, he will call out Hillary for pretending to be against the trade failure of TPP, which she once called the “gold standard” of trade deals? Hopefully, he will point to Hillary’s foreign policy failures including Iraq, Libya, Syria, Benghazi, and the failed “Russian Reset”? He ought to contrast himself as a tough negotiator with Hillary’s history of waging endless wars that fail miserably? He should point out how Hillary and the Democrats have failed inner cities with big-government policies that create endless cycles of poverty and crime? He should focus on his own experience living the American Dream, and his desire to make it accessible for ALL Americans? He ought to show the American people he has actually created jobs and understands how to get stuff done? He should describe himself as an outsider ready to take on the gridlock, corruption, and waste of Washington — everything that Hillary represents? Maybe whatever he says will cause some people to wonder why the Bush’s like her so much and question whether it is finally time for someone outside the beltway to lead.

  16. Tony
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    I am saddened to say that my parents are voting for Trump. They’re well-educated, well-to-do minority immigrants. Granted, they’ve voted Republican their entire lives, but when my sister told me they were voting for Trump, I was in a state of shock given that my parents are easily offended by coarse, offensive people (like Trump). At the very least, I thought they would’ve decided to stay home. My sister seems to think they’ve already voted via absentee ballot, but at the very least, I’d like to understand their rationale. They’re Reagan Republicans and liked Bush Sr. They have Muslim friends. Many of my dad’s patients are Latinos. So, my best guess is they’ve been poisoned by the “Anyone but Hillary” and false equivalency that Hillary and Trump are “equally bad.”

    I want to figure out how to convince people like my folks not to vote for Trump. As far as Trump’s “basket of deplorables,” those people are irredeemable, at least for this election, but if you can convince people like my folks to turn away, then maybe you can move the needle.

  17. Lynne
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Yes, FF, that has been my experience with certain men. I have had conversations get out of hand when I have told some of those guys that their opinion of my looks didn’t really matter to me and that their views about fat women were straight up bigotry. i.e. sometimes when you stand up to a bully, they escalate things. Since this sort of man is often also the sort of coward who feels like he needs a gun in order to be a man, often there are threats of shooting but they also sometimes like to threaten rape or more frequently they like to say that they would rape me but I am too ugly. Uh,. ok. I am supposed to feel *bad* about that? We aren’t talking about the brightest guys here. That is why they are voting for Trump.

  18. Lynne
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    I was thinking about this and wonder if maybe the target of these ads are people who already don;t like Trump but might be thinking about voting third party or not voting at all. That is the thing. More people prefer Clinton to Trump but they still don’t like her and they would rather not vote for her. However, if it can be impressed upon them that this time, unless they want Trump to be president, they had better get off their asses and vote for Clinton. She is the anti-Trump and the polls are close.

  19. wobblie
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    These adds are not directed at Trump voters. They are to get democratic leaning voters excited.

  20. EOS
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, it’s main appeal would be to a group that thinks an intern giving the president a blow job is the moral high ground.

  21. Posted September 26, 2016 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    EOS, you’ve said here in the past that you would not be voting for Trump. Has that changed? If so, why?

  22. EOS
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    No. Still don’t think I will be voting for Trump. But I would hate it if Hillary won.

  23. anonymous
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Everyone is talking about Trump being on cocaine tonight? Did you notice it?

  24. anonymous
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Howard Dean is even talking about it.

    http://jezebel.com/howard-dean-just-accused-donald-trump-of-being-on-cocai-1787117523

  25. site admin
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    NPR has the transcript, complete with inserted fact-checks.

    http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate

  26. anonymous
    Posted September 26, 2016 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Sniffing montage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BJjUv_TD2E

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