Danny Fields… the man who signed the Stooges, discovered the Ramones, and changed the world

Almost a year ago now, I received an email from a reader of this site by the name of Bob Nolan, who, knowing of my love for the Ramones and Stooges, suggested that I talk with a friend of his named Brendan Toller. Brendan, he told me, had been working on a film about Danny Fields, the man who, among other things, got the Stooges signed to Elektra in 1968, and later went on to become the co-manager of the Ramones in 1975. “Brendan’s been spending a lot of time sleeping on Danny’s couch these last few years, just scanning memorabilia and going through tapes,” Bob told me. “And he’s got some amazing stuff that Danny had even forgotten about… a few bombshells.” He went on to say that he didn’t know how much Brendan would want to say before the movie came out, but he passed along his contact information, and a conversation was begun… And, now that the movie is officially out, here’s my discussion with Brendan Toller, the director of the new documentary Danny Says.

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MARK: That was some pretty great coverage in the New York Times a few weeks ago. Congratulations.

BRENDAN: Oh, thank you. Quite a nice Christmas miracle.

MARK: How did you first come to know Danny?

BRENDAN: I was working on my first feature documentary, “I Need That Record!”. The film chronicles the indie record store lull of the early 2000s, what made it so, and why these stores are so significant in keeping music culture alive. I interviewed Danny Fields for the film, but we barely graced the subject of record stores in our conversation. There was just too much to be awestruck by. Danny became a fan of “I Need That Record!,” a confidant, and out of that grew a friendship which eventually conceived “Danny Says.”

MARK: Assuming the idea was initially yours, was he immediately receptive to the idea of a documentary about his life, or did it take him some time to warm up to the idea?

BRENDAN: Warhol [seen at the top of the page with Lou Reed and Danny Fields] originally wanted to “tape his life story.” Andy talks about it in his diaries, but he would pass away just months later, in 1987. As for how I approached the idea, I was very calm about it – the ball was in Danny’s court – and, fortunately, he said yes.

MARK: What was it about Danny’s life, if you know, that resonated with Andy? And, when you say he wanted to “tape” Danny’s life story, do you know what he meant by that?

BRENDAN: I can only answer these type of questions with conjecture. I’m not Danny, I’m Danny’s Boswell. I think it may have been at a point where Andy’s life (late 80s) had been far removed from the excitement and whip-it-up Factory days of the mid-60s. Danny probably brought a lot back to him in that short instance of running into him late one night at a party for Dolly Parton.

MARK: I’ve yet to see the film, but Bob mentioned to me that you had unearthed a few “bombshells.” Did any of them make it into the finished film?

BRENDAN: Finding the tape of Lou Reed listening to the Ramones for the first time with Danny was a jaw-dropper. There are also a good number of phone conversations, from ‘between ‘68 and ’71, of Danny and Iggy, that are just mind-blowing. Same goes for Nico. Danny’s photography is also incredible. Of course, Danny’s recollections are so vivid, punctuated with humor and brilliant word-play. He holds nothing back. It’s a cliche, but “Danny Says” is a film that no one’s seen or heard before, truly. [Below: Iggy Pop and Danny Fields]

Iggy pop and Danny Fields, Danny Fields Archive

MARK: Can you give us a sense of one of these taped conversations with Iggy? Is there a specific exchange that comes to mind?

BRENDAN: There’s a full tape of Iggy playing the rough mixes of Funhouse over the phone to Danny. An edited version can be heard in the film.

MARK: Assuming all of these taped conversations between Danny and the likes of Iggy and Nico didn’t make it into the finished film, is it conceivable that you might be releasing them in some other format? I’m thinking, for instance, that it might help drive attention to the film if you started releasing them online, right?

BRENDAN: Yes, probably on the soundtrack, if one happens. And perhaps in short form online videos.

MARK: I’m just imagining how awesome they could be animated… I’m thinking of that piece that was done a few years back with audio of LBJ buying slacks over the phone.

BRENDAN: That’s hilarious!

MARK: What was the most difficult thing for you to cut from the film?

BRENDAN: Danny yelling at Bob Rudnick for talking about the potential of Elektra signing the MC5, Danny hearing an acetate of “A Day In The Life” with Eric Anderson and Brian Epstein at the Waldorf, Danny’s aunt Ruth, Cream, and rememberances of Monterey, Woodstock and Altamont. I could have made three films.

MARK: Damn. That all sounds incredible… Was Danny in the habit of recording all of his conversations?

BRENDAN: Yes, it was a Warhol practice – they are a treasure!

MARK: I knew that Warhol was in the habit of documenting conversations, but I wasn’t aware that others in the scene had taken it up as well. Just how long did Danny do this? How many tapes did you have to make your way through?

BRENDAN: Let’s just say it took me two years, on and off, of digitizing. The dates range from ’68 and beyond. [Below: Danny Fields]

Danny Fields Portrait, Danny Fields Archive

MARK: I know I should ask about the events surrounding Danny’s listening to “A Day In The Life” with Brian Epstein, but I’m intrigued by the fact that you’ve included “Danny’s aunt Ruth” in this long list of incredible, important moments in rock and roll history, and I have to ask… What’s so great about the “aunt Ruth” interview?

BRENDAN: We interviewed Danny’s aunt Ruth in New Jersey. A real deal yenta. She had very funny observations about Danny being an opinionated child from age three. “The only place to buy clothing for men is Brooks Brothers. And if you can’t afford it, you should arrange [your life] so you can afford it.” Proves that, like Danny says, “You’re only born with what you got” in a certain sense.

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MARK: Speaking of the Beatles, Danny claims to have been at least partially responsible for their breakup, given that it was his decision, as editor of the teen magazine Datebook, to play up John Lennon’s “(We’re) more popular than Jesus” quote in 1966, bringing it to the attention of folks in the Bible belt. Danny feels as though this act of his led to the protests and death threats against the Beatles, which ultimately led to their decision to stop touring, and their decision to break-up. Is that, in your opinion, the story of a life-long PR man looking to insert himself into rock and roll history, or do you think he really feels as though he brought about the downfall of the Beatles?

BRENDAN: To say Danny broke up the Beatles is, as Danny says, “to sell a candybar in twenty words or less.” He got the ball rolling, he got the conversation started. By ‘66, people in the public eye were starting to get in trouble for saying the right things. The 60s, as we now know them, were starting to emerge through the expression of artists like Bob Dylan and Lenny Bruce – provocateurs in a sense. Danny was publishing front-page headlines like, “It’s a country where anyone black is a dirty nigger” [Paul McCartney on the United States], or “Message songs are a drag” [Bob Dylan], to stoke the fire. Unfortunately, it was too much too soon, and, as with most situations in his life, Danny was way ahead of his time. Politically-revealing headlines are rarely seen on the newsstands, nevermind on the covers of a magazine geared toward 11-year-old girls in the 1960s. Danny’s spent his life defining a platform for the fringe. In ‘66, the Beatles were the biggest band in the world, but what about the Who? The Kinks? The Byrds? The Velvet Underground? Danny has always shined a light on the outre and obscure.

MARK: Regardless of his culpability in the breakup of the Beatles, it makes for a great story that the man who gave us the Ramones and Stooges also killed the Beatles… And, who knows, maybe we wouldn’t have had the Ramones or the Stooges had the Beatles kept making records. Maybe one thing had to happen to make room for the other.

BRENDAN: Danny always encouraged those that he admired and gave artists authority to tip the mainstream in an immensely influential way. The Beatles influenced a wave of kids to pick up guitars, but now it seems the Stooges, Ramones and Velvets are the template for contemporary music – a second wave. [Below: Danny Fields and the Ramones]

Danny Fields and the Ramones, Danny Fields Archives

MARK: Danny, by all accounts, was a brilliant young man. Assuming the historical record is correct, he was already at Harvard Law at 20, when he decided to drop out and return to New York. (Some sources give the year of birth his as ‘39, while others give it as ‘41.) Assuming you asked him, I’m curious as to why he dropped out and moved back to New York when he did. What was happening at that time, around 1960, that pulled him back? As he’s often credited with being one of the first publicly gay men in the music business, my guess is that it had something to do with the acceptability homosexuality within the New York arts scene, but I suspect there may have been other factors.

BRENDAN: Boys. Greenwich Village. Fabulous people versus monotonous work that would ultimately lead to a lucrative, but rather dull existence in all likelihood. As for Danny being out, he was never in. Sexuality never defined him as it defines so many today… The sooner we can get away from phrases like, “Oh, meet my friend Charlie, he’s gay,” the better. Independent thought, defiance, humor and (even on the shallow end) physical features are more interesting than sexual preference. There was a secret camaraderie amongst people who gravitated towards members of the same sex in New York for sure, but let’s also not forget it was illegal. People were arrested.

MARK: Is it upon returning to New York that he changed his name from Daniel Feinberg to Danny Fields? Did he talk with you at all about why he decided to make that change?

BRENDAN: Danny started work for a theater PR man and decided he was beginning a life in show biz. Gracie Fields. W.C. Fields. It was that, and to signify a break from the values of his parents, their morals and expectations. He was leaving the ivy life.

MARK: I’m not trying to make a comparison between the two, as Danny was clearly operating a much different level, but I recently watched the documentary Mayor of Sunset Strip about LA radio personality Rodney Bingenheimer, who seems to have had a knack for being at the right place at the right time and facilitating connections between people in the indusry, and I was wondering if there might be some commonality between the two men. Bingenheimer, as I suspect you know, was obsessed by celebrity, and was drawn to the music industry because, although he wasn’t a musician, he was compelled to be a part of it… And I’m just curious if there’s any of that motivating Danny. And, by saying that, I’m not suggesting that he was just a glorified groupie. He clearly wasn’t. But my sense has always been that that he was more a fan than just an industry guy who saw an opportunity to make money off of these people. Would I be wrong about that?

BRENDAN: “Mayor of the Sunset Strip” is a great doc! I think Danny was motivated to be in approximation of fabulous people that surprised and stunned with their talent or beauty. He has a knack for seeing someone’s potential. His medium is people really. There are many in his orbit who never blossom, but those who have, with his prodding and confidence, have made miracles. Iggy is a miracle a hundred times over.

MARK: What would have happened with Iggy, do you think, if not for Danny?

BRENDAN: I think he may have been the “forgotten boy.” I mean, literally Search and Destroy, one of the great rock ‘n’ roll songs of all time, would not exist if Danny had not insisted that Iggy meet Bowie.

MARK: I wasn’t aware that it was Danny that made that introduction.

BRENDAN: Paraphrasing the film… Iggy was watching Mr. Smith Goes to Washington at Danny’s apartment. Iggy was in town specifically to make career moves as the Stooges had been denied a recording option by Elektra records. The Stooges were sort of imploding. Danny was out, probably at Max’s, and called Ig three times. “David Bowie is here, he wants to meet you, you could do yourself some good.” The rest, as they say, is history…

MARK: In ‘68 or so, Danny became a DJ at WFMU, and it was there, according to legend, that he was told by another DJ that he had to check out the scene around Detroit, setting in motion a chain of events that would bring both the MC5 and The Stooges to the national stage. I’m curious as to what he may have told you about that first trip he took to Ann Arbor / Detroit.

BRENDAN: Danny had actually been out to Ann Arbor previously. He wrote a bad check to follow the Velvet Underground. Danny saw the Velvets play the Student Union Ballroom at the University of Michigan, where, just years later, he would see the Stooges for the first time. He was tipped off by Bob Rudnick and Dennis Frawley, who had a show called Kokaine Karma on WFMU, that the 5 were a hot band. I know Danny was taken aback by the energy and endless will of John Sinclair and the 5; barking orders off the toilet, women serving men food, pounding on the tables like Vikings, printing presses. It was its own self-contained focused, politically-driven, hype machine years before bands did all their copy and publicity. [Below: Danny Fields and the MC5]

Danny Fields and the MC5, Danny Fields Archive

MARK: I’d known that Danny and Warhol were acquintances, but I wasn’t aware that he’d made the trip to Ann Arbor with the Exploding Plastic Inevitable. When did Danny and Warhol become friends?

BRENDAN: Danny met Warhol at the San Remo bar. Every group of people had a name. Danny was in the YJS – the Younger Jewish Set.

MARK: That was Warhol’s designation?

BRENDAN: I’m not sure whose designation it was.

MARK: Speaking of the Warhol crew, do I also understand that Danny was roommates with Edie Sedgwick during some of this period?

BRENDAN: Yes, Edie came down from Cambridge with her best friend Tommy Goodwin. She crashed a few nights with Danny and just stayed for a few months. It was an interesting time… They were bringing down first batches of Timothy Leary’s acid – keeping bottles in Danny’s refrigerator to drop on sugarcubes.

MARK: Back to the Stooges, what, if anything, did Danny tell you about that first show that he saw in Ann Arbor?

BRENDAN: When the mode of the music changes, the walls of the city shake.

MARK: I’ve heard Danny say in other interviews that Iggy was pissed at him for listing him as “Iggy Stooge” on the first Stooges album.

BRENDAN: Danny claims that wasn’t his doing. But, yes, Iggy told us he was pissed for Iggy Stooge.

MARK: According to accepted Ramones history, it was Dee Dee’s idea to take the surname “Ramone.” The story goes that he did it first, and then convinced the others to follow suit. Given that Iggy thinks it was Danny who stuck “Stooge” on the end of his name, however, I wonder if he may have played a role in it. Do you know if the taking of the “Ramone” surname predated Danny’s tenure as their manager?

stoogeselektraBRENDAN: Danny denies that he had anything to do with giving them all the Ramones surname, but Iggy thinks he may have had something to do with it. The Ramones were very clear-cut, uniform, both in their music and the way they dressed. It made total sense for everyone to have the same last name, so who knows when and how it was instated… they were already headed down that road.

MARK: I’m curious as to how Danny approached the Ramones about becoming their manager, and how Linda Stein, the wife of Sire Records head Seymour Stein, came to be their co-manager. How, if you know, did that arrangement come about? I’m curious about their relationship as co-managers.

BRENDAN: Legend has it Danny saw them perform at CBGB’s to get them to stop calling him at 16 Magazine and Soho Weekly News, where Danny was stoking the fires at the time. With a name like the Ramones, he assumed they were a little south of the border. After the 20-minute set, he took them out onto the sidewalk and asked to be their manager. The Ramones needed new drums, so Danny flew to Florida and asked his mother for $3,000. Danny knew Linda Stein from chasing Elton John for 16 Magazine. Elton was a bit uncooperative with photos and material so he befriended Linda, who was Elton’s confidant. Danny knew Linda liked rock ‘n roll and Linda convinced Seymour to sign them to Sire. I never met Linda, but I hear Danny and her were like brother and sister; in touch almost everyday for 30 some odd years until her tragic death. Linda Stein did more for the Ramones than we’ll ever know.

MARK: Was it Danny’s idea to take the Ramones to England in ‘76, changing the course of history forever?

BRENDAN: I’m sure he was all for it, but I’m guessing the idea and insistence came from Seymour Stein’s international guise.

MARK: I don’t know what I’m basing this on, but my sense is that Danny perceives his biggest failure in life to be the fact that they Ramones never had a hit. Is that the case?

BRENDAN: I don’t know if Danny measures his life in greatest or worst anything. You wake up and deal with what greets you everyday. Danny certainly tried his best to get the Ramones in the best position possible. Hits are illusive and the first to march to war are always the first to get shot down.

MARK: At what point was the decision made for Danny to leave the Ramones, and how painful was it?

BRENDAN: The Ramones fired him. They wanted a radio hit and thought they had better options with another manager.

MARK: In addition to the Ramones’ song Danny Says, where else has Danny cropped up in pop culture? I’ve refused thus far to see it, but does he show up as a character in the recent film about CBGBs?

BRENDAN: I think Danny Says was probably the most public nod to Danny Fields. He did write the liner notes to the original Hedwig movie soundtrack. No cameos in the CBGB film. I thought the CBGB film was pretty funny.

MARK: I don’t want to spend too much time talking about the Doors, who Danny also worked for as a publicist, as I’d rather talk about the Stooges and the scene at CBGB, but I’ve heard on few occasions that Danny hated Jim Morrison. During your time with him, did you get to the heart of that? What was it that made them dislike Morrison? Or, if it’s not true, why is it that this idea continues?

BRENDAN: Again, more Boswell conjecture. I think Jim Morrison was an asshole in the presence of Danny Fields. There are many stories. Some detailed in the movie, some not. There’s one story where Jim pissed in a wine bottle at Max’s Kansas City and gave it to a waitress. “Oh, the wine tastes so good tonight, why don’t you take it home with you, from me?” I think Danny, as his press agent, didn’t appreciate Jim’s rather difficult persona. This was a star the public had never seen before. Weird, dark, twisted, sexy. Jim wanted to be known as a poet first, which is, er, a little hard to market when you have this incredibly sexy wild frontman in a rock ‘n’ roll band… I also think Danny thought his poetry was quite sophomoric and inane.

MARK: Having spent several years having gone through Danny’s archives, I’m curious as to what your favorite artifact was.

BRENDAN: A Ramones x-mas card to Danny. The enlarged pic of Fred Sonic Smith’s tush. The potential Lenny Bruce photograph/suicide note. There’s too many to name. There was a point where I was so stunned, I wasn’t shocked by anything anymore. [Below: Lenny Bruce’s note to 16 Magazine’s Gloria Stavers]

Lenny Bruce Note to 16 Magazine's Gloria Stavers, Danny Fields Archive

MARK: I hear that a lof of Danny’s collection is now moving to an archive somewhere.

BRENDAN: Yale University. What Danny calls “the sexiest of all American universities.”

MARK: I’ve heard that Danny has told reporters he has no desire to see the finished film. Why do you think that is, and does it bother you at all?

BRENDAN: Danny gave me complete access to interview anytime, obsessively comb the archives, talk to his friends– the entire film is carried by his voice. But not many people love seeing themselves on screen exactly. I’m sure he’ll see a completed version.

MARK: You launched a $20,000 online fundraising campaign to make Danny Says happen. What was that process like, and what did you learn, having gone through it?

BRENDAN: Crowd-funding is a 24/7 job. Proceed with caution. It was a rollercoaster. We had great support from Kickstarter, Village Voice, Flavorwire. Judy Collins put us over the goal. Serendipitous because the first time she met Danny she sort of saved him from a bad acid trip. So thank you Judy for saving our Kickstarter with just days left! [Below: The Ramones’ Christmas card]

Ramones Xmas Card to Danny Fields, Danny Fields Archive

MARK: So, what’s next for you and the film? Have you secured any kind of distribution?

BRENDAN: We’ll announce some official screenings very soon. It’s a thrill. And, in terms of distribution, we’re free agents at the moment.

[Note: With the exception of the Datebook cover, all images in this post come courtesy of the Danny Fields Archive, including the following, which is an image of Fred Sonic Smith’s butt]

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47 Comments

  1. Tim
    Posted January 27, 2015 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Awesome photos. I stared at the MC5 one for a good couple of minutes before I figured out what was going on.

  2. Posted January 27, 2015 at 5:15 am | Permalink

    Interesting diversion.

  3. Anonymous
    Posted January 27, 2015 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    Can anyone confirm that this is indeed Fred Sonic Smith’s butt? Patti Smith, are you out there?

  4. Mr. X
    Posted January 27, 2015 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    It’s fun, if you have the time, to imagine a world in which Fields didn’t exist. Would the Ramones have been “discovered”? Would CBGB have become the cauldron of cultural innovation that it became? Would “punk” have even become a thing, had the Ramones not gone to England? I know it’s something we’re all aware of, having grown up with “It’s a Wonderful Life”, but it really is amazing how much one person can effect history.

  5. Eel
    Posted January 27, 2015 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Thank for both confirming my opinion of Jim Morrison and my theory as to what was inside Fred Sonic Smith’s trousers.

  6. Kirk Paul
    Posted January 27, 2015 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Concerning pop culture references to Danny Fields, he also shows up in the boo book “Gabba Gabba Hey: The Graphic Story of the Ramones” by Jim McCarthy and Brian Williamson.

    http://imgur.com/ld2egii

  7. dot dot dash
    Posted January 27, 2015 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Something else you could have asked him about: “Iggy and Stooges drummer Scott Asheton recalled how Fields quit on them after Asheton drove a 14-foot U-Haul truck under a 13-foot underpass, shearing the top off the vehicle and ruining yet another drug-addled tour.”

  8. Bob
    Posted January 27, 2015 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Terrific interview, thanks for giving me credit. Brendan’s first film “I Need That Record!” is great. I’ve been looking forward to seeing this for years. I’ve already heard stories that I don’t think made the final cut. I really hope the DVD is loaded with all that great stuff.

  9. anonymous
    Posted January 27, 2015 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Did Fields have a particular companion during this period of his life, or did he play the field?

  10. Posted January 27, 2015 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Tragically Lenny Bruce is lying on the bathroom floor in those tasteless photos that circulate of the scene of his death.

  11. Ramones 101
    Posted January 27, 2015 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Linda Stein got a better song. “Danny Says” is OK, but “Sheena Is a Punk Rocker” is better in my opinion. I don’t know that the Ramones ever said officially that Linda was Sheena, but I’ve heard it enough times that I think it’s probably true. I’ve also heard that she and Dee Dee were lovers.

  12. Ramones 101
    Posted January 27, 2015 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Iggy Pop referring to the Ramones as “Danny’s Muppet band” in Hey Ho Let’s Go: The Story Of The Ramones”

    http://imgur.com/DuCbStF

  13. Posted January 27, 2015 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    “When the mode of the music changes, the walls of the city shake.”

    Danny’s quoting a song by The Fugs here. The photo and text of conversation make it seem like it is an original quote by Danny.

  14. Posted January 27, 2015 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    I did not recognize it as a Fugs reference, Matt. Thanks for pointing it out. Given the subject matter, I think it still works in the image up top. Maybe I can amend Brendan’s answer to make it clear that he was quoting the band.

  15. Posted January 27, 2015 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    I can’t tell whether Brendan recognizes the quote from the conversation here. If he doesn’t he’d probably want to know.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Tk5nDm0F4

  16. Posted January 27, 2015 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    As I didn’t want to edit his answer, I just made his response a link to the song. Thanks, Matt.

  17. Bob
    Posted January 28, 2015 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Brendan has sent me some rare fugs/Holy Modal Rounders related stuff. He definitely knows it.

  18. Posted January 28, 2015 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    “Changed the world”? Because he managed some entertainers?

    Speaking of the Holy Modal Rounders, Peter Stampfel is still around and doing great. I’ve done a couple of shows with him, and he’s a lot of fun. One of the best!

  19. Bob
    Posted January 28, 2015 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    The Stooges and Ramones didn’t change the world a lil’ bit?

  20. Posted January 28, 2015 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Well, sure, everything does, including the proverbial flapping butterfly. They didn’t affect my life; I never paid any attention to them.

  21. Posted January 28, 2015 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    I’d argue that he didn’t just manage some performers, Doug. He brought them to prominence. And he didn’t just do it once. Both the Ramones and the Stooges were pivotal groups. They impacted the world in ways that still reverberate today.

  22. Posted January 28, 2015 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Well, you like this music more than I do. I’m curious, though… As far as I can tell, you value education, intelligence, responsibility, and engagement; but the music you go for usually seems to champion amateurishness, anti-intellectualism, selfishness, and teen rebellion. You can like what you want, of course, but I don’t get it. What’s the connection?

  23. Posted January 28, 2015 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    I like visionary artists. I admire people who create new things, and do so without regard what their contemporaries think. I like folk art. It resonates with me. I see the Ramones in much the same way. They did something new and different. They weren’t just imitating what preceded them… With that said, I don’t just value the work of the untrained. When not listening to bands like those we’re discussing here, I listen to pre-war jazz, the players of which are incredibly proficient.

  24. Posted January 28, 2015 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    I was just talking with a friend who has given up Facebook. He and I were weighing the pros and cons of social networking. And, in suggesting that the good outweighed the bad, I referenced this post. After almost a full day, it only had about 20 “likes” on Facebook, then Chris Frantz from the Talking Heads shared it, and it started taking off. At last count, 25 of his friends had shared it, including Legs McNeil. It basically found its own audience. And I think that’s pretty cool. Thank you, Facebook.

  25. kittybkahn
    Posted January 29, 2015 at 1:04 am | Permalink

    Very interesting. Thanks.

  26. Posted January 29, 2015 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    “Well, you like this music more than I do. I’m curious, though… As far as I can tell, you value education, intelligence, responsibility, and engagement; but the music you go for usually seems to champion amateurishness, anti-intellectualism, selfishness, and teen rebellion. You can like what you want, of course, but I don’t get it. What’s the connection?”

    Mr. Skinner, I have known Mr. Maynard for quite some time and am familiar with his tastes. I find your assessment incorrect. The Ramones (and the Velvets and others) definitely did not champion amateurishness, anti-intellectualism or selfishness.

    I implore you to explore this music a bit more deeply. I think you would be pleasantly surprised.

  27. Posted January 29, 2015 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    I can think of many great writers, some of whom were trained and others of whom were not. What they share, however, is a dedication to their craft and a unique vision for it.

    Music is no different. Though the Ramones may seem “amateurish” they were extremely passionate about music and quite revolutionary in the simplicity and efficiency of their songs. At the time, rock music was rolling to more and more needlessly complex places. The Ramones pulled it back towards 60’s pop and showed people that it could be fun again.

    Don’t be deceived by simplicity. Ramones songs, given the paucity of components they worked with, are incredibly difficult to write.

    Joey Ramone was definitely no idiot. Despite his personal handicaps (autism), he showed that one should not be ashamed of one’s defects (if autism can be a defect) but should rather unashamedly embrace them. He was also dedicated to fairness and social justice and his liberal political views put him at odds with the very right wing Johnny Ramone. I Joey R had a lot of guts.

  28. Posted January 29, 2015 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    Personally, I am always surprised that Mr. Maynard never liked Motorhead. They have a lot in common with all of the bands that he enjoys.

  29. Bob
    Posted January 29, 2015 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    I don’t think the Ramones were in any way about, or at least designed to be about the things Mr. Skinner suggested. Amateurishness, teen rebellion. They just hated the boring, bloated, classic rock world that radio had become. They just wanted to restore some fun and make catchy, 2 and half minute pop songs. The Stooges were probably the polar opposite, really. They were much artier and obviously into deconstruction of the formulaic “blues-rock” of the times. It’s hard to imagine what indie rock would sound like today if either of them hadn’t been recorded. It would surely be different and even worse. I’d call that changing the world.

  30. Posted January 29, 2015 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    I don’t recall ever telling you my thoughts on Motorhead, Pete. I happen to like them quite a bit.

  31. Posted January 29, 2015 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    Interesting.

  32. K. Thompson
    Posted January 29, 2015 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Does the movie address Pete Townshend’s claim that Fields drugged and molested him?

    Pete Townshend: “I was deeply tired but couldn’t sleep, so Danny gave me a pill, probably a Mandrax, a sedative-hypnotic drug. I woke in the night, still in a trance, with Danny’s hands all over my body, but I didn’t fight him off. I enjoyed what he did, though I didn’t let him actually fuck me.”

  33. Posted January 29, 2015 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    I should have expected this… I don’t mean to derail a thread about what is probably a very nice movie. Well, when I hear the Ramones, I don’t hear something new and different, I hear the same tired rock & roll formula: guitars and drums, 4/4, three chords. When I think visionary, I think of musicians like Partch, Ives, Cage, Feldman, Sun Ra, Sorabji, Nancarrow… But I have a different musical background; I was teaching theory and writing for orchestra by the time I was 16, so I developed different tastes.

  34. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 29, 2015 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    We all have different tastes. I think it is important to try to figure out why we like the things we like. I think Doug’s question was a very good question. I have never understood the appeal of the Ramones for the reasons Doug brought up. I have always assumed that their fan club was mezmorized by their fashion….(not joking)….and that is ok, although I don’t think the members of their fan club want to go there.

  35. Eel
    Posted January 29, 2015 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Listen to what came before and what came after. The Ramones launched the DIY movement. The were a formal refutation of the slick, bloated, and overproduced music that we were being sold in the early 70s. They said, “We’re going to do it ourselves.” It was ballsy. The means of production had made their way to the street and there no turning back.

  36. Bob
    Posted January 29, 2015 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    I’m a Sun Ra fanatic and a fan of some of the outsider music mentioned, particularly John Cage. I’m going to flat out say I think it’s probably harder to come up with dozens of seemingly simple, short, perfect pop songs, as the Ramones did. Flat out classics.

    I have a hunch that Dee Dee, who grew up in poverty in Berlin, and NY, essentially homeless and without parents, might have done great work in Cages field. If he had the wealthy family, Ivy league education and academic support, I mean. But could Cage have ever written something a simply brilliant as Rockaway Beach or Blitzkrieg Bop?

  37. Posted January 29, 2015 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Well, all I can say is that I wasn’t buying the slick commercial music to begin with. I was listening to classical, experimental, jazz, Bulgarian vocal music, Chinese court music… Commercial American pop and rock seemed like junk food to me, and I wanted nutrition.

  38. kjc
    Posted January 29, 2015 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    in some cases there is actual accounting for taste and often it has to do with one’s experience. i guess if you were writing for orchestra by 16, the arc of your experience might not particularly include the ramones. where’s the mystery? where i come from they’d call you a snob. (you’re usually not so obvious about it.)

    i couldn’t care less about the ramones but snobbery is annoying as fuck. is there an amateurish punk song about that?

  39. Mr. Y
    Posted January 29, 2015 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Doug is one of the more thoughtful people on this site. Please let’s not run him off.

    For what it’s worth, I did not read his comment about writing orchestra at 16 as a sign of snobbery. I saw it as statement of fact. He could just as easily have said, I was in my first punk band at 12.

  40. Posted January 29, 2015 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    If it makes you feel better, kjc, the music I wrote at 16 wasn’t very good. I was 16 in 1971, and classical music was much less stigmatized then than it is now. I went to public school, there was a student orchestra, and I learned a lot about composition and orchestration by writing for it. My parents encouraged me, so you can blame them. I just meant that I grew up with different tastes.

    As for Cage, his family wasn’t wealthy, he was a college dropout, and was poor all his life. I don’t know if he could have written pop songs. He was wired to do what he did.

    By the way, none of the academics or classical musicians I know are rich. They’re not homeless, but they’re struggling.

  41. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 29, 2015 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Snobbery? What was more accessible across various parts of the country and for FREE? Classical music and Jazz or Ramones records/shows?

  42. anonymous
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    It was just announced that Danny Says will be at have its world premiere at SXSW 2015.

    http://schedule.sxsw.com/2015/events/event_FS17955

  43. Tom
    Posted March 11, 2015 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    You got Fred Smith’s butt, but Salon got 3 minutes of the movie to share, and it’s good.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/03/11/punk_pioneer_danny_fields_shares_the_history_of_john_lennons_more_popular_than_jesus_quote/

  44. Ramones 101
    Posted April 22, 2015 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Danny has now seen the film.

    “We met through his girlfriend’s grandmother, and she said to her granddaughter, “I know somebody in the music business,” blah, blah, blah. And her granddaughter told him, and Brendan said to them, “I would like to meet him.” So through Naomi Rosenbloom’s granddaughter, Ariel, we met. And I liked [his first film, I Need That Record] a lot. I liked the crafting of it, and it acknowledge with a wink that if you have smart people collaborating, contributing and talking, you really can’t fuck it up too much. I saw that he saw the smart, he was working with smart people. So I said okay, I’ll do the movie, but understand that I want to have no part in the making of it. But of course I’ll talk to you and answer your questions, and of course you can have access to everything in my apartment. There are the filing cabinets, there’s the scanner, there’s the computer. And he did just an encyclopedic job of organizing the artifacts of my life that I’d never done. It’s just amazing. I was so impressed when I saw [the film] for the first time this week. I didn’t see a single minute of it until I’d seen the whole finished film two days before the premiere out here. You know Brandon liked me because of my music association, but I hate music.”

    From an interview with MCJ: http://www.cmj.com/feature/danny-fields/

  45. Meta
    Posted June 2, 2015 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Toller is going to be in Ann Arbor for Cinetopia.

    “DANNY SAYS”
    Sunday, June 7 at 9:15 p.m.: Director Brendan Toller will join via Skype for a post-screening discussion at the Detroit Film Theatre at the DIA, alongside special guest John Sinclair of the legendary band MC5.

    Thursday, June 11 at 7:15 PM: Brendan Toller will be in person for a discussion alongside special guest Ivan Kral, the Grammy Award-winning musician and director of “BLANK GENERATION,” at the Michigan Theater.

  46. site admin
    Posted March 23, 2017 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Danny Says is now on Netflix.

  47. Bob
    Posted March 25, 2017 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    I hope a ton of people find this now that it’s on Netflix. It’s just great. You could spend a lot of time talking about the Nico/Stooges film that he Brendan located and restored. It was shot somewhere around here in a cornfield. It’s amazing.

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