James Carville says “fire, indict, fight”

    In an op-ed posted on the CNN website yesterday, Democratic strategist James Carville warned Barack Obama that, unless he makes drastic changes now, he’ll likely lose the White House in 2012. Boiled down to three words, his advice to the President is this – fire, indict, fight. I wasn’t a huge fan of Clinton administration, or, for that matter, Carville, but I think he’s right on the money with this. Here are the four things he thinks Obama has to do.

    1. Fire somebody. No — fire a lot of people. This may be news to you but this is not going well. For precedent, see Russian Army 64th division at Stalingrad. There were enough deaths at Stalingrad to make the entire tea party collectively orgasm.

    Mr. President, your hinge of fate must turn. Bill Clinton fired many people in 1994 and took a lot of heat for it. Reagan fired most of his campaign staff in 1980. Republicans historically fired their own speaker, Newt Gingrich. Bush fired Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. For God’s sake, why are we still looking at the same political and economic advisers that got us into this mess? It’s not working.

    Furthermore, it’s not going to work with the same team, the same strategy and the same excuses. I know economic analysts are smart — some work 17-hour days. It’s time to show them the exit. Wake up — show us you are doing something.

    2. Indict people. There are certain people in American finance who haven’t been held responsible for utterly ruining the economic fabric of our country. Demand from the attorney general a clear status of the state of investigation concerning these extraordinary injustices imposed upon the American people. I know Attorney General Eric Holder is a close friend of yours, but if his explanations aren’t good, fire him too. Demand answers to why no one has been indicted.

    Mr. President, people are livid. Tell people that you, too, are angry and sickened by the irresponsible actions on Wall Street that caused so much suffering. Do not accept excuses. Demand action now.

    3. Make a case like a Democrat. While we are going along with the Republican austerity garbage, who is making the case against it? It’s not the Democrats!

    We are allowing the over-educated, over-explanatory bureaucrat by the name of (Congresssional Budget Office director Douglas) Elmendorf do all the talking. Do not let him make your case. Let us make your case. Is it any wonder that we were doing better in the middle of the stimulus-spending period than we are doing with the austerity program?

    4. Hold fast to an explanation. Stick to your rationale for what has happened and what is going to happen under your leadership. You must carry this through until the election (never say that things are improving because evidently they are not).

    As I watch the Republican debates, I realize that we are on the brink of a crazy person running our nation. I sit in front of the television and shudder at the thought of one of these creationism-loving, global-warming-denying, immigration-bashing, Social-Security-cutting, clean-air-hating, mortality-fascinated, Wall-Street-protecting Republicans running my country…

    I know he’s trying to be funny with some of this, but he’s absolutely right. There’s too damned much riding on this. And Obama has to take decisive action now, before it’s too late. I know he got a shit-load of money from Wall Street the last time he ran, but it’s time to start cutting some investment bankers loose. We need indictments, and, more importantly, we need a President who isn’t afraid to be a Democrat. If we allow Rick Perry into the White House, we’re all doomed.

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      37 Comments

      1. Josh
        Posted September 15, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

        this is really great stuff.

        “you were dealt a bad hand but you keep playing the same hand over again”

        yes.

      2. Edward
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 5:52 am | Permalink

        I think it’s too late now. I don’t see Obam changing the path he’s on.

      3. Tommy
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 6:28 am | Permalink

        He doesn’t have it in him to fight like hell. He was and is beholden to his Wall Street masters (talk about a grand bargain) and if he tries to hold them to account he can kiss any chance he has goodbye. I think what Carville is suggesting are things that Obama is incapable of delivering. When he caves to Reublican demands on his jobs bill (he will, we all know it), this would be the time for someone to step in and challenge him for the nomination. That won’t happen either.

      4. dragon
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 7:43 am | Permalink

        When he caves to Republican demands on his jobs bill

        If only it were the republicans he had to compromise with.

        “Terrible,” Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) told POLITICO when asked about the president’s ideas for how to pay for the $450 billion price tag. “We shouldn’t increase taxes on ordinary income. … There are other ways to get there.”

        “I have said for months that I am not supporting a repeal of tax cuts for the oil industry unless there are other industries that contribute,” said Senator Mary L. Landrieu (D-La.) “That offset is not going to fly, and he should know that,”.

        “I think the best jobs bill that can be passed is a comprehensive long-term deficit-reduction plan,” said Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.)

        “Every dollar that is spent on the jobs bill … is not going to be available to Congress to deal with the debt,” said Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut

        “I think the American people are very skeptical of big pieces of legislation,” Senator Bob Casey, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, said in an interview Wednesday, joining a growing chorus of Democrats who prefer an à la carte version of the bill despite White House resistance to that approach. “For that reason alone I think we should break it up.”

        Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, has said he will put the bill on the legislative calendar but has declined to say when. Mr. Reid has set votes on disaster aid, extensions for the Federal Aviation Administration and a short-term spending plan ahead of the jobs bill.

        “I have been very unequivocal,” said Representative Peter A. DeFazio, a Democrat from Oregon. “No more tax cuts.”

      5. Mr. X
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 8:15 am | Permalink

        I’m disheartened. I heard tow days ago that something like 49% of Republicans now consider themselves Tea Party supporters. I was really hoping for a backlash against them, but, given how Huntsman is doing in the polls, I don’t see that happening. I suppose there’s still a chance that Romney amy take the nomination, but, if he does, he’ll probably end up taking a Vice Presidential candidate like Bachmann, the same way that McCain felt he had to take Palin. As a thinking adult, I find it incredibly depressing. And, toe make matters worse, I heard Boehner this morning talking about how there was no common ground with the President on the jobs bill. He said it was as though the two parties were “from different planets.” And that’s with Obama submitting a plan that was taken, for the most part, from previous Republican proposals. But we seem to be past reality now. The objective is to discredit Obama at every turn, the future of the nation be damned. I guess we’ve known that for a while. It was certainly evident in the Debt Ceiling debate, where the Republicans showed that they were willing to bring on a depression rather than come to the table and agree to a plan that, for all intents and purposes, was a moderate Republican in nature. I don’t see this changing. The President can come out and demand indictments, like Carville suggests, and like he should have done over a year ago, but I think we might be too far gone to set things right. I think that we made the mistake four years ago when we decided to treat the Tea Party like a legitimate organization. The contagion, I’m afraid, is spreading.

      6. Demetrius
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 10:03 am | Permalink

        Hillary Clinton was right.

        There really is a “vast, right-wing conspiracy.” And, over the past 30 years, it has been tremendously successful in convincing millions of poor, working- and middle-class people into routinely voting against their own best interests; the well-being of their friends, family and communities; and perhaps soon — democracy itself.

        During his first inaugural address in 1981, Ronald Reagan said this: “In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”

        With this basic motto as their creed, a very well-0rganized and extremely well-funded right-wing alliance has consistently outmaneuvered Democrats by using cleverly sophisticated and skillful political messaging (propaganda?) to push the political “Overton Window” farther and farther to the right.

        “Big Government,” “Welfare Queens,” “Trickle-down Economics,” “Right-t0-Work,” “School Choice,” “Peacekeeper Missiles,” “War on Terror,” “Homeland Security,” “Job Creators,” etc. … From Lee Atwater to Karl Rove, the right has used clever marketing (funded in large part by wealthy plutocrats, like the Koch brothers) to denigrate not only the very idea of government (and government employees), but the entire shared or “public” realm of life — basically, anything that isn’t profit-driven (multinational corporations) or part of the massive military-industrial-homeland security complex.

        Most people have become so conditioned by this steady drumbeat of messaging that, today, most who still believe in and buy into our “two-party” system will likely find themselves in 2012 making a “choice” between one candidate who is basically a moderate Republican (Obama); and another who represents what only a decade ago would have been considered the extreme “lunatic fringe” of the right wing (Perry, Bachmann, Paul .. pick your poison).

      7. kjc
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 10:30 am | Permalink

        I think I prefer Rachel Maddow’s interview with Jimmy Carter.

      8. TaterSalad
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

        What does “we’re doomed” mean? You mean that your entitlements are doomed and you will have to find a job or something? Perry just might get the nomination, along with Backmann or Romney, Cain or Santorum. Any of these people will restore this country back to the Free Market system we all evolved from. Get over it. It is going to happen.

      9. TaterSalad
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

        Operation “Fast & Furious” along with Operation “Gun Runner” and Operation Solyndra rip off are going to be Obama’s Watergate to unemployment.

      10. TaterSalad
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

        Move over Jimmy Carter, we have found your “replacement” as the worst of the worst. His name is Barack Hussein Obama!

      11. TaterSalad
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

        Barack Obama can’t get his own democrats who love every bit of their entitlements while others are paying for them and now he can only pander to high school kids to get someone to listen to his bullshit:

        http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/16/obama-now-asking-high-school-students-to-help-him-pass-jobs-bill/

      12. TaterSalad
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

        Seems that the one who needs to get fired is Barack Obama. Maybe this just happen before 2013. Question! Will the left wing moonbats “still” worship this socialist, crook to the end?

        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/new-solyndra-gate-emails-white-house-ignored-risk-to-taxpayers/

      13. TaterSalad
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

        “Fire – Indict and Fight” and these are the loons that will support you:

        http://www.zombietime.com/deconstructing_slutwalk/

      14. TaterSalad
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

        Badracko Obama and Solyndra = Jail time looming!

        http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=55742

      15. Elf
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

        I don’t think you ever told us where you worked, Tater. Or did you tell us once that you lived with your mother and collected disability? I can’t recall.

        As it’s somewhat relevant, I thought that I’d share this op-ed from Dingell that ran in the Freepress.

        This Partisan Viciousness Needs to Stop

        By John Dingell

        Detroit Free Press

        Thursday, September 16

        I am saddened by what I heard when I was home for the August congressional recess. The American people are fed up with finger-pointing, blame games and infighting by all of us in Washington — the president, Congress and the media.

        They are angry and frustrated, and they want Congress to do its constitutional duty. Only 12% think we are doing a proper job. It is easy to see why the public is losing confidence in the federal government.

        In our debates over the fiscal 2011 spending bill and the debt limit, Congress put off its duties until the eleventh hour in favor of partisan squabbling and stubborn political games. I am ashamed of our performance — of us all, on both sides of the aisle. As a member of Congress who takes pride in this institution and holds its history and procedures in high regard, I am deeply disappointed by the unwillingness of members of all parties to come together for the common good.

        Our Founding Fathers intended no parties when they created this institution. And until recently, members took the time to stay in Washington and learn the substance of issues, as well as the rules laid out by our forefathers in the Constitution and by previous generations in Congress.

        We learned how to draft good, bipartisan bills. Most members of Congress wouldn’t remember, and for many Americans this may seem hard to believe, but there was a time not so very long ago when Republicans and Democrats worked well together. We worked long hours, typically five days a week or more for months at a time. Members of both parties came to the table ready to work, debate and negotiate.

        For many years, legislation was drafted from the middle, and we passed bipartisan bills frequently. It wasn’t uncommon for an important bill to get 400-plus votes; we didn’t stop just because we had 218.

        Members didn’t engage in partisan misbehavior for the sake of a good Twitter hit or the opportunity to call out the other side on cable news. Rather, members had respect for one another and for the political spectrum. They managed to limit outside parties from disrupting the legislative process for political gain.

        We in Congress are tearing our country apart and weakening the foundation established by great leaders before us. Is anyone in Congress truly proud that we have not produced a budget? That we caused the downgrading of U.S. government securities, as well as appalling disorder and confusion in financial markets? Or that this situation caused the lack of job creation and economic growth that has contributed to the hopelessness and misfortune of millions of Americans?

        Wrangling by all parties, from the top down, cripples our work, and media that encourage confrontation instead of negotiation fuel the fire. Being locked into this system of starting from the far left or the far right and then doing just enough for passage may get a single bill done, but it’s not a system that produces the best law that does the most good for all Americans.

        This partisan viciousness needs to stop.

        I am ashamed of our recent record. I am disgusted with our performance, Republican and Democratic alike. There have been failed leadership and, worse, failed following within the ranks — and we owe the country far better.

        My daddy taught me that if God had wanted us to talk more and listen less he would have given us two mouths and one ear.

        In our most combative moments, we must remember that no cause is greater than this institution and the ideals on which it was founded; no single man or woman is greater than this body and the collective wisdom we are capable of exhibiting. If we hold on to that core principle, we can make changes that will be better for Congress as an institution and for the American people.

        We must all help this body improve and call on our colleagues to join in doing better. It is our duty. If we do not, the people, in their righteous and justified outrage, will get rid of us all — as well they should.

        I beg my friends in Congress and the administration to put the interests of this great nation before partisan political interests and not let the rivalries of the past prevent us from acting in ways that will better the future of our nation.

      16. Bob
        Posted September 16, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

        Do we know if Tater is even for real? He’s obviously working as a right-wing operative, probably under the table so as not to mess up his welfare check. He sits around all day in his yellowed briefs, getting 5 cents a post on various blog sites. You can probably get a lot of those in between whacks.

      17. another josh
        Posted September 17, 2011 at 10:11 am | Permalink

        “If we allow Rick Perry into the White House, we’re all doomed. ”

        I’m not sure that’s really true. Much of what Obama has been negotiating away would have been greeted with ‘fuck you, no way!’ by Dems if it was done by a republican president. I have no doubt Obama would bargain away parts of Social Security or Medicare and congressional dems would let him do it. Then they would wag their finger at what’s left of their base, “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good,” as if being fucked with a splintering telephone pole was only slightly less fun than not being fucked with a splintering telephone pole. Bush tried messing with Social Security and Medicare and ended up with his teeth kicked in.

      18. TaterSalad
        Posted September 17, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

        Barack Obama’s “New Jobs Bill” has a few “hidden items” of grave concern. Remember when he said that the bill is “All or Nothing”? Here is the reason behind that statement. You won’t believe this one. There is NO company who is even going to consider hiring, much less to have an employee vs. employer interview now. It is almost like Obama doesn’t want the the country to create jobs. Either Obama is dumb as a stump and set in his ideology or he is so deeply intrenched in Saul Alinsky’s radical views on how to bring a country to its knees inorder to usher in a new type of government……..socialism/New World Order.

        http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/13/obamas-job-bill-will-make-the-unemployed-a-protected-class-allows-job-seekers-to-sue-for-discrimination/

        …………..and then we have this written in the Jobs Bill:
        Stimulus II, Barack Obama’s “new” and improved (so he says) economic stimulus package (not yet presented to Congress) has a section 261 of the bill that grants portions of $15 Billion dollars to qualified non-profit organizations………ala……..Acorn. And we all thought “Slick Willy” had retired!

        http://vpatriotupdate.com/12253/obamas-jobs-bill-makes-acorn-eligible-for-15-billion-in-taxpayer-money

        This past week, Barack Obama gave $300,000.00 to Acorn affiliates: http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/16/report-acorn-affiliated-group-gets-300000-more-in-taxpayer-money/

        Deliberate Improverishment of the Western World. Agenda 21, BaracK Obama and the New World Order all come into play:
        http://www.rightsidenews.com/2011091414494/us/politics-and-economics/deliberate-impoverishment-of-the-western-world.html

      19. Posted September 17, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

        I’m tempted to suggest we put together a search party and head to Canton some afternoon in hopes of tracking down Taters for an in-person interview.

      20. Posted September 17, 2011 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

        We’ve already got his picture.

      21. TaterSalad
        Posted September 17, 2011 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

        Bring some heavy shit guys because Ole’ Tater spend 3 years in the Marines (grunt) and is able and willing to take you punks on!

      22. TaterSalad
        Posted September 17, 2011 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

        Your typical Barack Obama supporter

        The attached video provides some insight to America into a typical Barack Obama
        supporter who has completely NO concept of what a free market, free society and
        capitalist system is all about. This person is what the Democratic Party prays
        on for their support and votes by providing “entitlements” to them,
        paid for by someone else who is working. This is what the conservative people of
        America are “up against” ………….Free Loaders! How many do you
        know?

        1. http://www.therealrevo.com/blog/?p=54356#comment-73859

        2. http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/this-is-where-we-are-spending-our-tax-dollars/

      23. TaterSalad
        Posted September 17, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

        If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!

        If a Conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
        If a Liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

        If a Conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat..
        If a Liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

        If a Conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
        If a Liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

        If a Conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
        A Liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

        If a Conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
        Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

        If a Conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
        A Liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)

        If a Conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
        A Liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

        If a Conservative reads this, he’ll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
        A Liberal will delete it because he’s “offended”.

      24. TaterSalad
        Posted September 17, 2011 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

        Is this what you liberal whack0′s look up to these days?

        http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=55887

      25. TaterSalad
        Posted September 17, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

        Does the left wing support this type of government. The same type you all have been against?

        http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2011/09/16/richard-cordray-a-consumer-czar-for-trial-lawyers/

      26. Posted September 17, 2011 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

        Tater, I wasn’t suggesting that anyone fight you. I said that I thought you’d be an interesting interview subject.

      27. Rooter
        Posted September 17, 2011 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

        Tater is a beautiful man. I like that picture.

      28. Posted September 17, 2011 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

        I don’t know that it has even a remote shot of passing, but Obama will be calling for higher taxes on those making a million dollars or more a year. Here’s a clip from the NYT:

        President Obama on Monday will call for a new minimum tax rate for individuals making more than $1 million a year to ensure that they pay at least the same percentage of their earnings as middle-income taxpayers, according to administration officials.

        With a special joint Congressional committee starting work to reach a bipartisan budget deal by late November, the proposal adds a new and populist feature to Mr. Obama’s effort to raise the political pressure on Republicans to agree to higher revenues from the wealthy in return for Democrats’ support of future cuts from Medicare and Medicaid.

        Mr. Obama, in a bit of political salesmanship, will call his proposal the “Buffett Rule,” in a reference to Warren E. Buffett, the billionaire investor who has complained repeatedly that the richest Americans generally pay a smaller share of their income in federal taxes than do middle-income workers, because investment gains are taxed at a lower rate than wages…

        No details yet on the rate… I’d be surprised, though, if it’s any more than what they were paying before the Bush tax cuts were passed.

        I know I’ve asked it a million times here, but why not just let the Bush tax cuts expire? They were meant to be temporary. They were meant to sunset. And, more importantly, they didn’t work. It’s ridiculous to me that the Democrats are so completely inept that they can’t do at least that much.

      29. Rooter
        Posted September 18, 2011 at 12:12 am | Permalink

        Three years, Tater?
        Was it a back injury?

      30. TaterSalad
        Posted September 18, 2011 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

        Rooter……….guess we all know where that handle comes from!

        Actually, 2 yrs. 9 months and out. Machine gunners only had a 14 day stay in country rate.

      31. Rooter
        Posted September 19, 2011 at 2:22 am | Permalink

        That handle comes from the fact that I use my penis to find truffles and other fungi where french pigs dare not tread.
        Kind of like the forest floor.
        So it was a head injury and not a back problem?

      32. Edward
        Posted September 19, 2011 at 6:43 am | Permalink

        I imagine having killed people, and watched men your cared about die in battle, changes ones perspective on life, politics, and the like.

      33. Meta
        Posted September 21, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

        Speaking of people to fire.

        A new book by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Ron Suskind paints an unflattering picture of rivalries and dysfunction within President Obama’s first economic team — rivalries that Suskind says then slowed the administration’s response to the financial crisis.

        The book Confidence Men: Wall Street, Washington, and the Education of a President is based on interviews with more than 200 people, including the president, and quotes internal documents from the White House, which indicate that some of Obama’s decisions were either not enforced or redirected by members of his administration.

        Suskind joins Terry Gross for a discussion about Obama, whom he calls “a victim of very difficult and circumstances … by virtue of being a brilliant amateur,” as well as Obama’s first economic team, led by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council chief Larry Summers.

        Listen:
        http://www.npr.org/2011/09/20/140594464/confidence-men-ron-suskind-on-white-house-woes

      34. TaterSalad
        Posted September 21, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

        Your “boy wonder”, better known these days as Captain Bullshit, is taking a dive into the big shit tank it seems. Are you all going to follow like the good litte sheep you all are and have been with this dunce of a community orgainzer, socialist?

        http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/21/usa-todaygallup-poll-for-first-time-majority-of-americans-say-obama-to-blame-for-horrific-economy/

      35. Bob
        Posted September 21, 2011 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

        The thought of Tater’s pinhead exploding may be the single most important factor in getting me to revote for Obama.

      36. Posted September 21, 2011 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

        Instead of banning Tater, I thinking of just changing all of his comments so that they’re obscenely pro-Obama.

      37. Rooter
        Posted September 22, 2011 at 3:49 am | Permalink

        Tater is still a beautiful man.
        Edward. You know the saying, “Once a Moron, always a Moron.”
        Did I spell that right, Tater, you roly-poly, jacket draped over the arm, hot momma, you.

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