In order to raise awareness about the recent legislation passed in South Dakota outlawing abortion, and the very real possibility that Roe v. Wade could be overturned by the Supreme Court, I was thinking that perhaps I’d set up a few EBay auctions for “home abortion kits.” Here are a few of the bullet points that I was thinking of including in the marketing materials.
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Personally, I’ve started to believe that perhaps we need to let them overturn Roe for the greater good of the country. It may be the only thing that wakes middle America up. Too many working class people have convinced themselves that they are better off than they really are. Many of them have aligned themselves with the ever creepy & increasingly more religious Republican party. The steady loss of manufacturing jobs hasn’t woken them up. Nor has the steady erosion of real wages or loss of civil liberties. The demonizing of unions (even here on this site) by many autoworkers, teachers…is mind-blowing to me. The very people who have benifited most from these institutions have done so well they’ve convinced themselves they really are “the haves” who make up Bush’s political base. A radical change like overturning the abortion laws might be the only thing left to shake up the sleepy middle class.
Can I get a zombie abortion kit?
Bob
Sure, and if throw in a few extra bucks and I’ll toss in the deluxe zombie ball shaving contraption as well.
As for your point, I think that you’re right that maybe this might wake up what remains of the American middle, but once you start steering a ship this size in a particular direction it can take generations to turn around. I fear that some of the things we’re seeing take place now (especially as they involve the Supreme Court) will take decades and decades turn around.
As for the value and place of unions, I don’t disagree at all that they’re important. I just feel as though they’ve done a poor job staying relevant. Wrong or right, people don’t equate unions in America with safer workplaces and the 40-hour workweek – they equate them with corruption and hostilely lazy workers.
From the AM wasteland, I’ve gleaned a few things about this:
Doctors would only serve “up to 5 years” for “kiiling a human being”?
And the mother (“accomplice”) faces no charges?
Sweet!… That’s less than 5 for premeditated murder?
I’m gonna kills me some SD enemies.
Obviously, they put gradations on what the value of “murdered” “life” is. Not so black and white now?
I believe one’s value is to be calculated based upon the square footage of his or her home.
If I’m not mistaken, the algorithm also takes the shade of skin-color into consideration.
Not that I
If we allow for the banning of abortions, we can also allow them to close down all the theaters, ban music and reading (unless it’s Bible related), and ban alcohol. Once we have all this freedom taken away, then surely we will demand it back. . . too late. When a puritan gets a foot in your door, the rest of the body is coming through. I know–I’ve been dealing with Mormons lately.
Mark has proposed before that the conservatives don’t want Roe vs. Wade overturned because it is such a powerful political tool as it is. Maybe we just need to focus more on poverty and inequality, directing attention away from abortion. Inequality could be as powerful political tool as Roe vs. Wade. If only the liberal politicians weren’t all rich guys. Damn.
Hostiley lazy–that just sounds cool.
i think you all are morons. what if u were a pregnant 14 year old girl. who is still a virgin and just so happens to be anyway and what if she was going to be throw out?!? i say fuck you. you are small minded fools.
If I was a 14 year girl who was a virgin and just happened to be pregnant anyway, I’d be securing all future merchandising rights and trademarking my name and image cuz that kid and me would do it right this time and we’d get rich instead of the church.
Gee, shouldn’t women have the right to choose wire hangers if they want? Isn’t the method of killing her child a personal decision between her and her doctor? Who are we to impose our values on her? Too bad the kid doesn’t even have the choice to be anesthetized before the doctor pulls their limbs off and crushes their skull and removes them piece by piece.
Partial birth abortion at the time of birth? Sure – but why stop there? If it’s the parents who are liable for their children, shouldn’t they have a choice to kill their own kids up till the time they reach adulthood? Certainly a teenager can’t survive on their own and doesn’t every child have a right to be loved and wanted? Who doesn’t want the option of killing their teenagers? Better to kill them early than to make them suffer in this overpopulated world where everyone doesn’t get Nike gym shoes or designer clothes or all the free medicare they might desire.
ooo you managed to hit about 16 logical fallacies in one swell foop there. The most obvious being straw man and slippery slope. Keep up the good work!
As if there’s any logic in not considering an unborn baby human.
EOS, who said that fetuses arent human?
They are as human as any other tissue in my body. What they are not is a legal “person” although that is changing with certain fetal homicide laws. But even if a fetus were given all of the legal rights an already born person has, they still wouldnt have the legal right to become a parasite on another human person. Your legal right to life doesnt compel me or anyone else to attach our bodies to you to help you live. Certainly no one else would ever be expected to put their life and/or health at risk in order to protect your life and/or health. Even parents of born children can’t be compelled to do so. Why should the unborn have special rights?
EOS, what’s partial birth abortion?
Lynne,
All the tissues in your body have the same DNA makeup. A baby has it’s own DNA, unique and different from the mother’s. 50% of the time, a baby in the womb is of a different sex than the mother. A baby is not parasitic tissue nor he or she a part of the mother’s body. The unborn should have special rights because they are the most vulnerable and are innocent victims. The baby doesn’t attach itself to random persons. If the pregnancy is more than 20 weeks along, and the baby can survive apart from the mother, why shouldn’t the rights of the baby compel the mother to give birth?
Lynne Fremont wrote, “Certainly no one else would ever be expected to put their life and/or health at risk in order to protect your life and/or health.”
Okay. So, in a normal, healthy pregnancy, where the risk to health and life of the mother is minimal, there should be no legal abortion. I don’t think you thought through your argument before you typed. Also, I think most pro life people would be willing to make exceptions to anti-abortion laws in cases of risk to the mother’s life.
I have hardly ever heard a woman say that the risk to health and life from pregnancy is minimal. Even the most normal pregnancy in the world has lasting health effects and even more temporary health effects and discomforts.
The point is that there is no other situation where anyone would suggest that someone be compelled to use their body to save another. For example, I have O- blood. Even if I shot you myself and you were in the ER and were about to die without a transfusion and there was no blood available, I could not be compelled to donate blood to you. And trust me, donating blood involves much less risk and bother than pregnancy
But fwiw, even if pregnancy had NO effect on health or any risks, all people should be able to make medical decisions about their own bodies.
Lynne,
In your worldview, do individuals bear any responsibility for their actions, especially when they impact the lives of other human beings? Do you have any kids? Do they know you consider them parasites that have inflicted long-lasting detrimental effects on your health? Why would you not want to donate blood to save the life of another person in the ER? What a horrible world this would be if everyone shared your views.
No need to make it personal, EOS, but take heart, Lynne that it is not in the interest of a parasite to completely kill its host.
Kids are really a lot of fun, even if they suck away half your life in the process of getting out of your body and your hair.
It is more than occasional that a would be mother will regret an abortion, but I don’t know of a mother who regrets not aborting. I do know of a father who used to tell his daughter that her mother should have aborted her, but we have a word for that kind of person; asshole.
Here’s a note from Lynne that I accidentally just deleted from the thread while purging spam… Sorry for any confusion.
EoS would support abortion if it were limited to potential gays, poor people, hews, blacks and lesbian mothers.
Sorry, Jews, not hews.
Thanks for clearing that up, I thought you were talking about the Hugenoets.
BTW I am ever curious what those who contend they are committed to a pro-life agenda believe about capital punishment and waging war.
Except I’m a poor, gay, Jewish, black, lesbian myself. Why don’t you try discussing the topics occasionally rather than just calling me a racist, sexist, whatever? Aren’t you glad your mother didn’t abort you?
Stella,
I’m a strong supporter of capital punishment. Jesus’ crucifixion was the best thing that ever happened. Don’t like war, but who does? It’s always an atrocity, but no excuse to not defend against attacks. There is a difference between killing the innocent and killing persons who would otherwise kill the innocent.
Just as they are ever curious as to why pro-choicers are into killing babies yet against the death penalty and war.
We are all walking contradictions within our political worlds.
No, EoS, I actually wish my mother had aborted me. Unfortunately, it was illegal back then.
Having read what I just wrote, I think I’d better clarify it. I was thinking about capital punishment for serial killers or psychopaths. I definitely don’t think the lunatics that kill abortion doctors are justified.
To be clear, I intended to say that not all women are made to be mothers.
And, no, I will not cease in calling you out for what you are.
If I were really racist, I would support abortion. It’s been disproportionately killing off African Americans ever since Margret Sanger started her euthanasia campaign.
Or was it a eugenics campaign? My bad.
I think it was eucalyptus champagne that she was known for.
Lynne wrote, “The point is that there is no other situation where anyone would suggest that someone be compelled to use their body to save another.”
That is very subtle Sophistry. You see, it is not actually saving that you are talking about. What you are saying is the opposite of saving another. You are actually talking about killing another.
Orphans and other defenseless people become wards of the State once they are born or incapacitated, respectively. That is why nobody would ask you to feed and nurture the baby and all that after it is born. The state would take over from there. In some people’s view, though, it would not be unreasonable for the State to ask you to not actually kill the other with the help of a doctor who took an oath to “First, do no harm.”
As far as the lasting adverse effects of pregnancy, I would suggest you take a look at Heidi Klum. She must be the unwitting poster child for parasitosis now. Baby, I don’t know about you, but if that is what it looks like, give me a little of that pregnancy disease.
Laws are things that are there mostly for people who can’t think for themselves or are unwilling to accept consequences of choices. There must be a statute somewhere on the books for every person on the face of the earth. I think we have enough of them.
I am all for choices, but about a million abortions per year in the US shows that something is strange about our decision making process.
In the US, we have amassed an incredible amount of financial wealth, technological advancement, and enough military power to burn villages full of babies on the other side of the world right to the ground with the flip of a button. It might be time we look at what to do about how we are killing our own babies. If a million abortions is a sign of progress, then give me 20th century El Salvador instead.
Lynne, I don’t know you, but if you ever find yourself in a situation you can’t handle, you can leave the little thing on my doorstep. No questions asked.