06/19/08

Permalink 09:32:02 pm, by mark - Politics, Michigan

annexing the township

The following comment was just left in another thread by a reader calling himself Applejack. I thought that it might kickstart an interesting conversation.

I recently moved to Ypsilanti from Atlanta – with a year spent in Madison, WI between the two. And I have relatives in high places in Michigan politics. Living in these different cities, and talking to these politicians, (and reading this blog) has taught me one important thing about Michigan politics: charter townships are killing Michigan cities and keeping the state a suburban sprawled mess.

Michigan is the only state in the union with townships that cannot be annexed by growing cities. It creates extra levels of bureaucracy and red tape. It punishes successful cities by keeping tax revenues flowing to the suburbs. and those revenues go to the entrenched interests maintaining this status quo.

Why is this not campaign issue? Why aren’t smart people in government doing anything about this? Are there other people out there who see this the way I do?

Is it true that Michigan is the only state in the nation where cities can’t annex surrounding townships? In all the discussions we’ve had here about City/Township relations over the years, I don’t believe that’s ever come up. I know that we’ve talked about annexation, but I don’t recall anyone ever pointing out that doing so would be considerably easier in the other 49 states.

update: The comments so far have been great. If you have the time, go and check them out. Following are a few examples. The first comes from Murph:

“Is it true that Michigan is the only state in the nation where cities can’t annex surrounding townships?”

Many States don’t even have townships - just cities vs. unincorporated land. That’s the case where it’s easiest for a city to recapture development on the fringe and prevent metropolitan fragmentation. Any kind of local government through a Township structure makes annexation / regional governance more difficult. Some policymakers and historians have argued that younger cities, in non-township states and without a lot of incorporated suburbs, have been able to leverage this increased annexation power to provide better economies, lower poverty and crime rates, better school systems, and reduced racial segregation.

Yes, Charter Townships are (to my knowledge) unique to Michigan, but that institution is not necessarily responsible for fragmentation. Look at cities like Boston, Chicago, or Minneapolis/St. Paul. All of them are every bit as landlocked as Detroit (or Ypsi, if you like), even without Charter Townships - because in those States the areas around cities just incorporate as Cities themselves.

And a lack of Charter Townships in Michigan would have meant exactly that happened here. And, in fact, it did. Look at the Cities of Troy, Romulus, Livonia, Farmington Hills, Sterling Heights, Southfield. All of these look, geographically, a lot like Townships - because they are. They’re whole Townships, minus whatever part had already been incorporated as a City, that incorporated themselves in order to (generally) prevent further annexation or acquire better taxation powers, things that becoming a Charter Township now achieves. Not having Charter Townships wouldn’t have prevented the current Ypsi City/Township split - in that case, Ypsi Twp would likely now be “The City of Ypsilanti Heights” (can’t have two cities called “Ypsilanti").

And a Charter Township is not immune to annexation - it just requires that the property owners want to be annexed. If you’ll recall, there was some talk a few years ago by one of the homebuilders (maybe Pulte?) about lining up an annexation from Superior Charter Township into Ypsilanti - because they thought Ypsi’s zoning would be friendlier to their development than Superior’s. If I recall, that involved lining up some other property owner whose property would link the Pulte site to the City, providing the contiguity necessary to petition for annexation. (I believe this is how the Starkweather House became part of the City, in fact, in the 1960s - as part of a plan to develop an apartment complex on that land. The development fell through, but not until after the owner had the land annexed into the City.)

And this one comes from a reader in the Township calling himself Edge of the Sprawl, in response to the idea that we, the City folk, try to impose annexation by force:

…If your militia tries to cross 94, they’ll have to fight their way through more than 50,000 township residents who want no part of your failed economic policies. Turn your efforts to fixing your own city and keep your nose out other communities. You’re wrong about other communities wanting to merge with your police department. Every single one of them rejected the possibility. There will be no further talks. Your city officials just threw more money down the drain on the feasibility studies. The cost of your police services is outrageous - few persons would find that acceptable in their communities.

You can’t annex the township, we’ll never vote for it. Any township official who entangles our tax dollars with any further consolidation of services will be recalled. In 50 years, the City of Ypsilanti may be the porn capitol of Michigan, but the township will be the center of economic prosperity.

If you like the City of Ypsi … good. You can keep it. The majority of residents in the State prefer their Charter Townships.

I really have no idea what the answer is, but one of these days, just for fun, we should start putting yard signs up all over the City saying, “Annex the Township.” I’m sure all kinds of craziness would ensue.

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Comment from: mark [Member] Email
And I'm intrigued by the "relatives in high places" comment... Can I guess?

You aren't Carlita Kilpatrick, are you?

PermalinkPermalink 06/19/08 @ 21:34
Comment from: mark [Member] Email
I'm moving this response from a reader named Nameroo over from the other thread:

Why aren't charter townships an election issue? Because the smart politicians in Lansing know that the majority of the motivated voting population of their districts live in charter townships because the don't want to live in cities. Oh, yes, and also because of term limits - most of the current crop of Lansing politicians ARE FORMER CHARTER TOWNSHIP ELECTED OFFICIALS.
PermalinkPermalink 06/19/08 @ 21:39
Comment from: Dirtgrain [Visitor] Email
Are we going to join forces in the city, gather up arms, and march out to the township areas to claim what's ours? Man, that could make for a cool dystopic novel--or a really bad movie like Red Dawn.

Eh, too many people are voting for their own personal interests--instead of for the good of all.

Speaking of bad movies, I'm thinking of Diggstown, which involves a rich man who owns a whole town (whatever that means) betting it all on a series of fights between 20 (or more?) men he chooses and a character played by Louis Gosset, Jr--and it's all a giant con orchestrated by James Wood's fight-promoter character. Do you suppose we could lure the township into some kind of similar bet?

Mark, maybe back during the mayoral election, there was somebody who posted about the inevitability of Ypsi Township merging with city government--I think he worked for the city (or maybe it was Steve Pierce). Does that ring any bells?
PermalinkPermalink 06/19/08 @ 22:02
Comment from: Dirtgrain [Visitor] Email
Here's part of a post from Robert II that I found as I was trying to find that post about merging (from so, maybe the idea for the fake downtown ypsilanti isn't so dead after all):

"There's much to link Ypsilanti and Ypsilanti Township, beyond just a common name. But a history of power struggles between leaders of the two communities has kept them at odds. It's a shame - and, we might add, ancient history - that Ypsilanti Township was rebuffed decades ago when it sought to merge with the city. Now the power has shifted, and the township has no interest in its weaker cousin.

The township has a significantly larger population, tax base and land mass. They've had success in recruiting businesses, most notably in the sizable Washtenaw Business Park just south of I-94.

In contrast, the city has made cuts in staff and services for several years to balance its budget. Roughly 37 percent of its land is owned by tax-exempt groups, including Eastern Michigan University. Its once strong manufacturing base has withered away. Some storefronts along the main stretch of Michigan Avenue have been empty for years. Even the Depot Town area, a small but bustling retail/restaurant district, is struggling. Just recently, an anchor retail store there - Quinn's Essentials - announced plans to close next year.

City leaders see promise in a regional approach, though that promise doesn't seem to lie in Ypsilanti Township. The city, for example, has joined six other townships in Washtenaw County - but again, not Ypsilanti Township - in exploring the possibility of a regional police authority.

Meanwhile, its most potentially powerful partnership - one that could help build traffic to the city's businesses, or capitalize on existing infrastructure to attract more - lies dormant."
PermalinkPermalink 06/19/08 @ 22:21
Comment from: applejack [Visitor] Email
mark:
Sorry no I'm not a Kilpatrick. I'll say it's not quite that high of places. They are frustrated with small-minded township politicians, but being seen as anti-township is as damaging to politicians in this state as being seen as anti-union; two problems that don't exist in Atlanta.
I find both to be outdated systems that oppose real progress that threatens their power and influence.
I'm pretty sure Michigan townships are unique in being un-annexable, but I got my info from wikipedia, so I could be wrong.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 01:18
Comment from: Murph [Visitor] Email · http://blog.commonmonkeyflower.net
Is it true that Michigan is the only state in the nation where cities can't annex surrounding townships?

Many States don't even have townships - just cities vs. unincorporated land. That's the case where it's easiest for a city to recapture development on the fringe and prevent metropolitan fragmentation. Any kind of local government through a Township structure makes annexation / regional governance more difficult. Some policymakers and historians have argued that younger cities, in non-township states and without a lot of incorporated suburbs, have been able to leverage this increased annexation power to provide better economies, lower poverty and crime rates, better school systems, and reduced racial segregation.

Yes, Charter Townships are (to my knowledge) unique to Michigan, but that institution is not necessarily responsible for fragmentation. Look at cities like Boston, Chicago, or Minneapolis/St. Paul. All of them are every bit as landlocked as Detroit (or Ypsi, if you like), even without Charter Townships - because in those States the areas around cities just incorporate as Cities themselves.

And a lack of Charter Townships in Michigan would have meant exactly that happened here. And, in fact, it did. Look at the Cities of Troy, Romulus, Livonia, Farmington Hills, Sterling Heights, Southfield. All of these look, geographically, a lot like Townships - because they are. They're whole Townships, minus whatever part had already been incorporated as a City, that incorporated themselves in order to (generally) prevent further annexation or acquire better taxation powers, things that becoming a Charter Township now achieves. Not having Charter Townships wouldn't have prevented the current Ypsi City/Township split - in that case, Ypsi Twp would likely now be "The City of Ypsilanti Heights" (can't have two cities called "Ypsilanti").

And a Charter Township is not immune to annexation - it just requires that the property owners want to be annexed. If you'll recall, there was some talk a few years ago by one of the homebuilders (maybe Pulte?) about lining up an annexation from Superior Charter Township into Ypsilanti - because they thought Ypsi's zoning would be friendlier to their development than Superior's. If I recall, that involved lining up some other property owner whose property would link the Pulte site to the City, providing the contiguity necessary to petition for annexation. (I believe this is how the Starkweather House became part of the City, in fact, in the 1960s - as part of a plan to develop an apartment complex on that land. The development fell through, but not until after the owner had the land annexed into the City.)
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 08:25
Comment from: applejack [Visitor] Email
murph may be right about townships just turning into cities to prevent annexation. and I agree that having townships at all seems pretty silly to me. In Georgia we have state gov't, county gov't, and cities. Why have the extra layer of division at all?

I'll also mention that the one policy I've heard mentioned to do anything about this issue is to let the ten or so largest townships incorporate into cities and then the rest would become annexable; I think. It's an imperfect compromise, but it sounds like progress at least.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 09:42
Comment from: Edge of the Sprawl [Visitor]
Hey Dirtgrain,

If your militia tries to cross 94, they'll have to fight their way through more than 50,000 township residents who want no part of your failed economic policies. Turn your efforts to fixing your own city and keep your nose out other communities. You're wrong about other communities wanting to merge with your police department. Every single one of them rejected the possibility. There will be no further talks. Your city officials just threw more money down the drain on the feasibility studies. The cost of your police services is outrageous - few persons would find that acceptable in their communities.

You can't annex the township, we'll never vote for it. Any township official who entangles our tax dollars with any further consolidation of services will be recalled. In 50 years, the City of Ypsilanti may be the porn capitol of Michigan, but the township will be the center of economic prosperity.

If you like the City of Ypsi ... good. You can keep it. The majority of residents in the State prefer their Charter Townships.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 13:34
Comment from: Ol' E Cross [Visitor] Email
Since folks in the Township seem unaware that their boundaries also extend north of I-94, I suggest we quietly annex everything north of the expressway ... they might not even notice.

I'm only half joking. It seems like it would be more efficient for the Township not to have provides services for those odd lines that snake around Ypsi city. Although they wouldn't provide a tax goldmine for the city, I know many residents are frustrated that the Township doesn't do more to police and improve areas that impact the city greatly.

I live a few blocks from the Township. If it weren't for a little blue sign, no one would have a clue they'd left town.

What do you say EoS? We promise to stay out of your cornfields and strip malls and take responsibility for whatever happens in north of 94?
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 14:48
Comment from: Brackache [Visitor] Email
I think the only solution to this problem (and every other problem, if you talk to me long enough) is to turn our city parks into urban militia training grounds and encourage all local residents who fall under the State's definition of unorganized militia to purchase a battle rifle w/ammo and learn how to use it. We can reform the Ypsilanti Light Guard. Those township folks have a leg up on us when it comes to rifle ownership and marksmanship right now, in all probability.

This suggestion will be offered by me as a solution to various unrelated problems on an annoying basis.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 14:50
Comment from: Marion [Visitor] Email
Do you really want Edge of Sprawl showing up at council meetings and voting in your city elections?

I think she's better left right where she is.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 15:38
Comment from: Edge of the Sprawl [Visitor]
I just said north of 94 because I figured your militia would attack our headquarters. When the city goes under, we'll take it over, make our township borders more contiguous, and demolish all your historic structures and put up big box stores in their place. I'm not really worried about your militia though, the city can't afford any ammo with their budget. You can all move to Ann Arbor.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 19:04
Comment from: applejack [Visitor] Email
I realize that Edge of the Sprawl's sentiment is probably shared by most Michiganders, but why? How hard is it to understand: this isn't a zero-sum game. Strong cities create strong suburbs.
What sense does it make to wish for a feeble downtown? I guess it makes your township LOOK strong by comparison, but it's a lose-lose situation.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 19:27
Comment from: Brackache [Visitor] Email
Edge of the Sprawl: there's where your wrong about the ammo. The militia idea that we've all now accepted as a good policy to pursue would be based on historical legal precident for citizen militias: each member would have to buy his/her own equipment. That way, the city pays nothing and gets a body of civic-minded, volunteer, armed law enforcers for free. The budget would have a chance to recover, part of our training duty could be to maintain Riverside and Frog Island parks (again, for free in exchange for training there for free), and the city could save even more. Perhaps part of the training could include local, sustainable crop production in case of some unforseen State or National emergency. iTrust me -- it's really quite genius once you get past it seeming totally insane.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 19:27
Comment from: Edge of the Sprawl [Visitor]
Applejack,

The City of Ypsilanti is not a strong city and the township is not it's suburb. We are separate communities with completely different styles of government. It's not as if the city has jobs that we commute to from the township. We are strong by comparison, but so is almost every other community in the state.

Brackache,
You might be on to something. A good militia would eliminate the need for both police and fire departments. The engineer corp could maintain the roads. I think I'll suggest it at the next township board meeting. Once they hear of the threat looming from the city it would behoove us to have a well trained militia.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 20:41
Comment from: Dirtgrain [Visitor] Email
I'm not so sure about the townships sitting prettier right now. Property values have crashed in the subs that branch off of Whitaker Road. They've crashed here and everywhere, too, but I wonder what the future holds for Ypsi. Township.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 21:41
Comment from: nammeroo [Visitor] Email
As disfunctional as some township governments are (witness Augusta Township south of Bemis Road), township government remains the most responsive form of local government in Michigan. Because all township boards are elected at one time, it is far easier for residents to influence township policy than it can sometimes be in cities (Ypsilanti as an example - where it takes a minimum of two elections and two years time to even have the potential of turning over the entire city council).

Township government works because elected officials (supervisors, clerks, treasurers, and trustees) feel much more responsible to the residents of their community than their more insulated city council counterparts. If you want more responsive government in the City of Ypsilanti, the key would be two year terms for the City Council.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 23:23
Comment from: John on Forest [Visitor] Email · http://home.comcast.net/~marraeshuler
Historically, inner city decay has coincided with suburban sprawl. Then following the migration of peoples to the suburbs, economic development and jobs migrate as well to where the people have moved.

Ypsilanti's situation is different than that though. We don't have an inner city decay problem per se. We do have the same problem that is occurring everywhere in Michigan: Economic decay. Our large businesses and manufacturing are slowly decaying. In my time, living in Ypsilanti, I've seen Motor Wheel, Exemplar, and Ford/Visteon/ACH close.

At the same time I've seen Ypsilanti follow the rest of the country into a transformation from manufacturing to a service oriented economy. We are undergoing some painful times; but, the future is not necessarily bleak. Hopefully, the old Ave Maria site near EMU will be occupied again, soon, with a great business. With luck the Thompson block renovation will succeed. The possibilities at Water Street are still great.

In my opinion, annexation of township acreage will not help the City of Ypsilanti. As OEC pointed out, the regions of Ypsilanti Township, most likely to be annexed, are not high value neighborhoods anyway. Tax revenues from these areas would likely be less than the increased expense of providing services to those same area. I find it more likely that one or more of those neighborhoods will eventually desire annexation, than the other way around: The city desiring/initiating it.

Contrary to EoS's assertion, though, I think regional cooperation on some services would be good for everyone, both city and township. The point is not to "subsidize" the city, nor should the city pursue "subsidization." The point is to pursue efficiency. Some services can be more efficiently provided on a regional basis, with cost savings to all parties.

The city needs to approach regionalization projects with a view towards being a good partner in such projects. The recent AATA funding decision is a good example of this type of good neighbor attitude the city needs to foster. By fully paying the city's share of AATA service, the city is saying that it is interested in being a good partner, rather than being a strong arming bully, trying to coerce other potential partners.

Now, another issue, that truly bothers me, is the irresponsible patchwork of land use planning that results from a patchwork of independent governmental entities each devising their own policies. I don't think annexation of surrounding lands, to maintain city centered growth, is the answer. I think the answer lays at the higher levels of government. The state and county levels of government need to step up and exert some control.

We need urban and suburban land use planning decisions made from an altitude that is high enough to see the bigger picture. Frankly, I'd love to be able to live in a Michigan that was engineered for economic and transportation efficiency from the beginning. If someone in Michigan had decided, 100 years ago, where cities should be built, what transportation systems were needed between those city centers, and how to provide other infrastructure (power grids, water systems, etc.), Michigan would be an economic powerhouse.
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 23:48
Comment from: John on Forest [Visitor] Email · http://home.comcast.net/~marraeshuler
The City of Ypsilanti doesn't have a responsive government???!
PermalinkPermalink 06/20/08 @ 23:51
Comment from: egpenet [Visitor] Email
"The times ... thy are a'changin'" Dylan.

Where's Godfroy's Trading Post now? The Occidental? The underwear factory? The third floor of Hewitt Hall? The Opera House? Cleary College? The Bomber Plant? Kaiser-Fraser? The MCRR? Penn Central? NYCRR?

(Yawn)

Ypsilanti has seen it all in its short lifetime ... including bank collapses, prok barrel politics which began right here, to sprawl. Constitutions and ordinancesand policies change ... and what works now, may not work tomorrow. So, we change.

What's working now all over the planet is that in excess of 50% of the globe in now living in or near cities, and that figure is expected to grow quite rapidly over the next decade. If you can't walk, bike, take public transportation or afford the fuel to get to a decent size city and its services ... you are out too far.

In the meantime, if you live in or near a city and it is struggling, as most cities are in the world ... in one way or another ... stop bitching and start pitching in. The biggest issue everywhere in the world is that we have been hiring out every little program and paying big bucks and pensions and consulting fees, when a rake or a shovel or an hour of volunteer time from each person on the block would suffice.

I am unsatisfied with the campaign literature I have been reciving. None of the incumbents or other candidates has offered a plan or the steps, as they seee it, to getting Ypsilanti back on track. They all know the problems, but there are no creative visions or remedies or changes proposed. I get the feeling, however, that there are two camps forming among the candidates, whether they are opposed or unopposed ... one camp would make another try at an income tax ... and the other camp would propose continued retrenchment.

I'd like to hear new ideas from all of the candidates. Use the AATA Depot as an example. The YPD Community Policing team did their homework, built their database, I.D.'d the issues, negotiated with AATA and worked out a patrol policy for the Depot ... and bingo, bango. Not one trouble call this past week! Not ONE! The neighborhood has cleared out and it's once again a more secure area.

Thanks to the mayor and the chief and AATA for working that out. Public transportation is critical as are safe neighborhoods.

That's the kind of progress I'd like to hear proposed from our candidates.

Ypsilanti
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 00:19
Comment from: egpenet [Visitor] Email
It's not a matter of annexing anything.

The City of Ypsilanti is ALREADY "in" the Township. Look at the map.

The benefit of township government is adequate representation for township citizens. No township would deliberately opt to pay for duplication of services out of spite.

If there's a way to save, the townshippers will find it. As they should. As WE should!

I find some of the chit-chat amusing. But most of this is going nowhere. What it really intersting is that while all this ack-ack (WWII for flack) is going back and forth ... I am surrounded by real progress taking place between the city, townships and the county. The times have changed and the issues have changed and the efforts are now being directed at what needs to be done by our leadership.

At the same time, I'm surrounded by civic organizations that have revitalized downtown Ypsilanti with music, art and retail enthusiasm. (And as far as I know, the DDA is STILL collecting information on all of the new businesses in town. An audit walk is scheduled for next week.)

It's happening because individuals are making it happen. People are putting time and money and effort into Ypsilanti downtown, our neighborhoods, Depot Town, the parks, our community gardens, our Farmers' Markets ... and on.

What is happening is below the radar of the average guy or gal in this town. You gotta come downtown to see it and feel it. You goota be a part of your neighborhood association to taste it. You have to put a silly tee shirt on and march in the parade to enjoy it.

The commuter train is coming. The Ypsilanti Freighthouse WILL be open once again. The sun'll come up tomorrow, goes the song. There aree five or six pairs of Orioles nesting in Riverside Park or along the river. Change is happening.

I once said that they call it Depot Town because people come there to "get on" or "get off." There's real excitement there with the changes, anxieties, but real progress, I think. The Freighthouse renovation and the Thompson Block struggle is part or it as well. But it's worth it. What the CDC is attempting is fabulous.

So, city dwellers, stop the militia talk. Put down your weapons. We ain't goin' into the township to clean clocks. Pick up your plowshares and lets get to work!

G'night.
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 00:46
Comment from: applejack [Visitor] Email
EoS: maybe I'm wrong calling Ypsi township suburbs, but it isn't a city and it isn't rural either, so it must lie somewhere between.

nammeroo: I might agree that township gov't is more responsive to the people in the community, but I still have my doubts about the end result of too much local control. A hundred small gov'ts competing with each other for limited economic opportunities does not result in prosperity for all.
Cities are much more than the sum of their parts. You can't take the population of Chicago, spread it out in a hundred little townships all over Illinois and expect the economy to just hum along as before.
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 01:03
Comment from: applejack [Visitor] Email
egpenet: you mentioned campaign literature, and I was wondering where I can find more information online about elections and the candidates.
Thanks
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 01:25
Comment from: Pete Murdock [Visitor] Email
Applejack and any others -

I am a candidate for City Coumcil in Ward Three of the City of Ypsilanti. You can conact me at votemurdock@gmail.com or (734) 274-4602. Let's talk.

Pete Murdock
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 08:16
Comment from: Edge of the Sprawl [Visitor]
John,

The problem with regionalization or consolidation of services is that the city residents desire far greater amounts of government services than the township. Any joint effort would require compromise from both sides. The city may compromise and slightly reduce what level of services they desire. In return, the township would pay 2/3 to 3/4 of the costs.

On the township side, our costs increase because a joint effort would force us to acquiesce to higher levels of service than we need or desire. We would lose local control and have a diminished response from our elected officials. The bureaucracy of the joint ventures would add additional costs.

The infrastructure of the city is much older, in need of upgrades, and repairs and service in city locations are costlier than the same repairs and service performed in the brand new subdivisions of the township. Fighting fires in taller, older structures in the city is more costly and more dangerous than the smaller, newer buildings in the township.

Additionally, many in the city would want equal representation in a joint venture. However, the township is about seven times larger, more than double the population, and growing. It's not a good fit for either community.

Your example of Ypsi City stepping up and being a good partner with the recent AATA contract is not a strong argument in your favor. The mayor is currently working to strong arm and coerce both EMU and St. Joe's hospital into subsidizing the city bus service.

The District Library venture works much to the favor of the city. The land for the Whittaker road branch was donated by the township at no cost to the city and forever taken off the tax rolls. It was built only because of the promise of costly renovations to the small downtown historical structure with limited parking and keeping another small branch open. In addition, Superior Township has now joined the district and can freely use all branches even though they aren't paying any of the costs of the new building or the downtown renovations.

Regionalization in this area is code for making Ypsilanti Township carry more than their share of the burden.
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 11:51
Comment from: Glen S. [Visitor]
egpenet: You suggest there is a "camp" of City Council candidates who are in favor of bringing back the City income tax proposal -- and another who is opposed.

Given the overwhelmingly decisive "no" vote last November, the idea that any candidate for public office in Ypsilanti would propose bringing back the income tax issue is absurd.

Everyone I know, including those who were in favor of the proposal, agrees that the idea of a City income tax is dead -- and that we all now must focus our efforts on making City government more efficient, maintaining essential city services, working with our neighbors to develop better regional cooperation, and on encouraging beneficial economic development that will bring new businesses and residents to Ypsilanti.

This year's City Council elections are NOT about last year's income tax election, although some candidates will, undoubtedly, try to spin it that way.

Instead, this year's City Council elections will be about deciding who has the right combination of skills and experience to help lead Ypsilanti successfully through the lean budget years ahead.
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 13:10
Comment from: John on Forest [Visitor] Email · http://home.comcast.net/~marraeshuler
EoS,

Your generalizations are way to broad. Given how broad you've painted the picture, you are of course correct in some of what you say.

On the other hand, when one looks at specifics, there are some ideas on the table that seem (to me) to make sense and deserve at least a look:

1. Consolidated Fire and Police Dispatch. I'm not talking about combined forces, just a central dispatch office that takes 911 calls and non-emergency calls and then dispatches the right department. Probably a good deal of efficiency could be gained in this arrangement to the cost savings of all parties.

2. Mutual aid agreements. The purpose of these would be to give all participating groups some relief on the front of peak demand planning. Most (Fire, for example) departments can handle the average call and wouldn't need help from an adjacent town or city. Each government would cover it's own costs. But each could rely on the others to help when a peak demand situation arises, such as two simultaneous fires or other rare events.

The District Library IS a benefit to the township. It's residents have less distance to travel to use the most modern facility in the county. The township offered the site for that specific reason. They did not want the library district to build a new building in the city or on some other less favorable geographical location. By the way, when they did this, the township tried to strong arm the library district into using library district revenues to fund AATA service to the township, something the township should pay for themselves if they want it.

I would hardly characterize the city (mayor) as "strong arming" St Joes and EMU concerning AATA. Currently the city's payments to AATA in part fund bus service to those locations, specifically benefitting both without either paying anything in return. If EMU and St Joes (and WCC) paid taxes to the city, then it would be fair for the city to pay for AATA service to those locations. They don't pay taxes, so why shouldn't they pay, themselves, for bus service at their sites? The mayor wants to approach theses groups to point out these facts and ask them to put up the good faith money they should put up. The city can now go to them, given that they've fully funded AATA, with a good story to tell regarding the cities stepping up to it's own responsibility in funding AATA.

The city has new streets, new water mains, and new sewers. Nothing about the city's infrastructure is run down. A person can always tell exactly where the border between the City and the Township lies as they drive a street. One side is always maintained better than the other, wether it's pot holes or snow removal.
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 14:48
Comment from: egpenet [Visitor] Email
My own opinion, Glenn S., is that the best candidates in either camp will be the ones who really understand finances. That's the ONLY qualification that interests me at this point.

The circumstances are getting more dire, and the neeed for capital is reaching a critical point. I think some of the candidates, more than others, already lean to the present council's yearning for a YES vote on taxes. I am almost positive that if those candidates were elected, council would go for it one more time as the city stares into the brink. We'll see.

The odds are better in the immediate future that Bernacke will do what everyone thinks he will ... which he should NOT do ... raise rates this summer sometime. Also, if the predications for a world wide market meltdown issued by the researchers at the Royal Bank of Scotland last week happen at the same time this summer ... cold hard cash will be on everyone's wish list, not just the city's.
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 18:21
Comment from: Dirtgrain [Visitor] Email
A bit off topic, but somebody mentioned that anti-tax campaign. Our property taxes were just raised by city council. I'm not condemning it, but I was wondering where are all those anti-tax people who shouted victory from the rooftops only a short time ago? Or was this expected?
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 19:50
Comment from: Edge of the Sprawl [Visitor]
John - your post was more specific - specifically wrong on a number of issues.

1. 911 calls in the township currently go to a central dispatch at the county. Doesn't the city use this already? If not, why not?

2. Mutual aid for Fire was discussed. The city balked when it became apparent that the agreement would require full staffing of each department. The city has reduced their fire fighters by 3 full-time positions since the talks broke off. Mutual aid for police is already in effect. When the city needs backup, the deputy patrols in the township respond. We pay for dedicated patrols and the city uses them when the bars let out.

3. The District Library is a great benefit to the township. Since we pay 75% of the operating costs of all the libraries, it seems only fair that we should have a branch located in the township. What would have been fair is to have had the district library pay the township market price for the land. Your statement, "They did not want the library district to build a new building in the city..." is exactly right. Your thinking, that we should have a district library and all the surrounding communities will pay tax dollars for facilities located exclusively in the city, is the kind of reasoning by city residents that makes more intergovernmental cooperation an impossibilty.

4. St. Joe's hospital doesn't pay taxes to the city. That's because they are not located in the city. Their employees, for the most part, can't use AATA to get to work. The day shift starts at 7A, the afternoon shift ends at 11P. Neither shift can rely on a bus to get to and from work.

5. Streets, water mains, and sewers are a small part of the infrastructure. Your City hall, police and fire stations are all in need of major renovations. The DPW yard is an eyesore. Many of your building assets have been given to non-profit organizations to protect them from being sold should the city go into receivership. Those that haven't been given away, still rely on fundraising by non-profits for operating expenses.

6. Yes, in the older parts of the township, there are more potholes. Yes, we are slower at snow removal. Improving these services is not worth doubling the tax rates.



Dirtgrain,

The property tax hike to the maximum allowable was expected whether or not the citizens voted for the income tax. It may have taken a little longer with an income tax in place, but was still a necessity due to Water Street.
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 20:32
Comment from: John on Forest [Visitor] Email · http://home.comcast.net/~marraeshuler
Ed,

I'm not sure it's finance that the candidates need to understand. They need to understand economics. What will make businesses in Ypsilanti successful? What does the city need to do to foster new business development and nurture existing businesses? What is it that our citizens need in order to thrive?

Unless you know something I don't know regarding the mindset of our citizens, regarding a new income tax proposal, why would anyone think it was even worth trying again. A 2 to 1 vote against the tax proposal is a pretty large margin to think that suddenly the voters would change their minds. I hope all the candidates understand this and will not even talk about income taxes. I think it's a waste of time, at this point.

The Federal Reserve will likely not raise rates this summer. That seems to be the current writing on the wall. They probably will raise them before year's end, though. Inflation is a real threat. Although it's currently still low by historical standards, it's creeping up past that historic average pretty quickly. The weak dollar has contributed to the meteoric rise in oil prices this spring. Higher interest rates will strengthen the dollar and moderate oil prices, as well as other commodities.
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 20:56
Comment from: egpenet [Visitor] Email
Municipal finance will do, John.

And the real threat by the way is negative growth and the predicted deflation as world
currencies, not just the dollar, lose value.
PermalinkPermalink 06/21/08 @ 22:13
Comment from: Ol' E Cross [Visitor] Email
Dirtgrain,

I'm not sure it's worth stirring the old soup, but I'll go there. All I gather is what I read in media and council minutes.

It looks like the millage increase passed unanimously with Richardson abstaining (why?) and Swanson absent (does her pay get docked?) and all other members, including anti-income tax Robb, approving.

All I know is my taxes will increase double what it does for some neighbors earning double what I do. (Already, my family's city taxes are well over ten percent of our household income.)

I maintain that many of the folks most opposed to income tax are those with income. As old readers know, I don't mind paying my taxes. But, it does gall me a bit that I pay, in many cases, far more on my rotting revival than others pay on their immaculate victorians.

Without mentioning any names, some delightful folk I know, even readers of this blog, with beautiful brick homes backing up to rivers and parks, routinely rail against the high taxes while they pay more than a $1,000 less annually than I in city taxes...

But, as has been said, the issue is dead.

PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 00:31
Comment from: Ol' E Cross [Visitor] Email
Okay, EoS, you've sparked my curiosity. You mention that fixing potholes and plowing aren't worth the tax dollars. (I do wonder, if your street starts to crumble, if you'll call to complain.) And, you seem to have a grasp of the infrastructure and other municipal challenges facing older communities. Yet, you seem to think all of us willing to pay extra for living in said communities are a bit foolhardy.

Are you really not willing to pay to fix the streets in your own jurisdiction but instead build new ones in concentric circles of decay? Are you willing to let everything north of 94 decompose?

Should we all wise up and leave the old towns and plow under the historic structures? Should anybody live here or anywhere once the boards start to creak?

Even with the most idyllic city government it will cost more to redevelop old Ypsi city than plant in the greenfields of the township and beyond.

As you've said, old communities cost more. Is there anything in them you'd like to see saved or, when things start to cost more, should we all just save our money and move further out along the edge?

Should we all vote to let potholes stretch along any block but our own?

Or, would you like these things paid for, just by anyone but you.
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 01:26
Comment from: Dirtgrain [Visitor] Email
OEC, it's a dead issue in some ways. But it's good to let people know about the inequality based on the current system. Spread the word. It occurs to me that your main point could have been a stronger selling point of the income tax proposal. I can look up the property tax and assessed property value of any home in Ypsilanti, with the address. If only we had the resources to print out what everyone in a neighborhood is paying to bring home your point--I think that would have changed a lot of minds about the income tax.

I forget what Michigan law puts a restriction on raising the assessable value of homes from year to year. To me, that should not be a dead issue. It doesn't seem fair that people who more recently buy houses in Ypsilanti (and other Michigan cities and communities) bear a larger tax burden. And I have to wonder, if the current real estate crash will bring some equality to our property taxes. Will assessed values actually line up with actual market value, as that market value lowers and lowers?
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 08:42
Comment from: applejack [Visitor] Email
In the text of the law about annexing townships is this: "the state boundary commission may ... order a portion or portions of a charter township to be annexed as necessary to eliminate free standing islands of the township completely surrounded by an annexing city, or to straighten or align the exterior boundaries of the city or village in a manner that the charter township and city or village contain uniform straight boundaries wherever possible."
So looking at the map here http://www.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us/map/township/township-map.jpg (the gray part being the city of course)
it seems like the city could make a claim for the patches to the north up to clark rd. since they're islands, and maybe push west to hewitt rd, or why not golfside? so that we've got nice straight lines for borders.
What do you guys think? Is the boundary commission favorable to this kind of thing? Would it really be worth it?
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 09:13
Comment from: John on Forest [Visitor] Email · http://home.comcast.net/~marraeshuler
EoS:

1. Dispatch. The last I had heard there were talks going to to merge dispatch services. I'm glad you agree that some regional cooperation is a good thing.

2. I don't know the real details of those negotiations. Yes they broke down when the city had not filled an empty fire position. I don't think it was the city that pulled out though (re your "balked" comment). Wouldn't you be the first to argue that the city has too high of a level of services and should cut back? Wouldn't you continue to argue that the township shouldn't try to tell the city how many fire fighters it needs to maintain adequate service? Don't you contradict yourself here?

3. I didn't say the building should have been built in the city. I agree the township location better serves all patrons. The decisions made by the Ypsilanti District Library were not made by the city. The library district is an independent government body. I don't remember what the issues were specifically. I think the problem was that the library district owned land and had money through the new millage to renovate it's facilities and build a new one, but not enough money to buy land too. The township got a good deal by donating the land. It's a wonderful facility. I don't know what your gripe is; but whatever it is, it has nothing to do with City of Ypsilanti vs Township.

4. Well then AATA shouldn't even have a route to that location then.

5. Yes, the city is financially strapped. That's been well established, hasn't it? Are you proposing we should have raised taxes so we could fund all those renovations? I thought your point was the opposite.

6. By the way, does the township even have a road maintenance department? I thought that fell to the county road commission (I could be wrong.) Does that mean that City of Ypsilanti residents who pay county taxes are subsidizing the township, albeit not enough to fix all the potholes? What Exactly IS the township's plan for all those new roads, paid for by the subdivision developers, when they are no longer new?
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 09:20
Comment from: John on Forest [Visitor] Email · http://home.comcast.net/~marraeshuler
Applejack,

The city should not consider that proposal, except if it is initiated by the areas mentioned. In other words, if some areas of the township petitioned to be annexed, the city might consider and pursue it. But, the city should not initiate anything like that.

AND, I hope the city will not be foolish and jump to annex a territory. If the residents DO petition annexation, it'll probably be because they need their roads fixed or some other service. The city will likely take on added costs in excess of increased revenues.
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 09:31
Comment from: John on Forest [Visitor] Email · http://home.comcast.net/~marraeshuler
I was disappointed that the city had to raise the millage by one mill. I was not surprised by it though. It was done to fund a specific shortfall. I was surprised that we were able to do it because I thought we were already at the upper limit.

OEC, you make very good points about progressive taxation or lack thereof. Prop A favors older (higher wage earner) people who have been in their homestead longer. I think Prop A is one of the worst laws that was ever passed. Only the state constitutional ban on same sex marriage rivals it as being bad.

The real problem lies with our politicians: If property taxes increased with the real value of property, and state and local revenues increased accordingly, the offset to property values increasing above some real rate of inflation, should have been that our governments rolled back millage rates to levels needed to maintain government, not expand it.
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 09:48
Comment from: Rod Johnson [Visitor] Email
Let's get back to the income tax for just one small moment. I've read earlier where someone mentioned: "I get the feeling, however, that there are two camps forming among the candidates, whether they are opposed or unopposed ... one camp would make another try at an income tax ... and the other camp would propose continued retrenchment."

I, for one, am absolutely opposed to bringing back the income tax for another vote. Ypsilanti voted and convincingly turned it down. End of discussion. To bring it back up would be a colossal waste of time and resources when we all know what the result of another vote would be. Our time will be better spent figuring out where we go from her rather than retracing old paths.

Rod Johnson, Candidate - Ward 3, Ypsilanti City Council
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 10:45
Comment from: trusty getto [Visitor] Email · http://www.trustygetto.com
'Kay, let's get back to the income tax then.

Everyone wants to say the income tax issue is dead. I would like to agree, but you have to wonder about the sincerity of pro-tax people like Rod Johnson and Glen S.
 
I vividly recall that the literature the pro-tax camp fliered the neighborhoods with said a NO vote was a vote for no AATA busing, closing the Senior Center, closing Rutherford Pool, and reducing police and fire.
 
None of that happened. In fact, a NO vote apparently meant FULL bus funding. The Senior Center and pool are still operating. City Council even put money in the police budget for two part-time cops. The fire department was even reorganized from three shifts down to two in order to have the same coverage (5 firemen) that we've had for since this income tax talk started years ago.
 
So what happened? Were the pro-tax people so uninformed they didn't know what they were saying? Or were they simply saying what they thought needed to be said to get their way? The answer to that question is rather damning either way.
 
It's fine that people like Rod Johnson is now changing his view and saying he's against the income tax, but do you really believe it now that we are back into campaign mode? It will be interesting to see what they say next.
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 13:04
Comment from: Edge of the Sprawl [Visitor]
OEC -

The city roads used to look like hell. You've recently repaved most of them. Now, some of the roads in the township are in a worse state of repair. Our tax dollars do fix the township roads, just not as quickly as some might hope. My point was if we had to double our tax rate to fix the roads immediately (to match your rate of taxation) then it wouldn't be worth it.

What the city wants to preserve or not, how they want to spend their limited tax dollars, is not the concern of the township residents. However, when you start talking about annexing the township to grab their tax dollars to pay for city services, then I will speak up. The city is in a bleak financial crisis and needs to find a way to pay for their own essential services. So instead, you put an elevator in the RAC, put Solar Panels on City Hall, drive out profitable businesses to risk taxpayer money on a failed real estate venture and plan a costly rail service. Is there anyone left in the city who thinks rationally? JoF thinks the township should contract with the city for joint fire protection without stipulating that the city continue to employ firefighters???

The township could repave all the roads in the neighborhoods north of 94. We could even put in new sidewalks and sewers at the same time. It would be paid for through special assessments to the homeowners living on those roads. And we could then raise their property assessments because of the increased value to their homes and capture more revenue. However, these are tough economic times for everyone, and these neighborhoods are already under enough financial pressures. How many families facing foreclosure would it be worth? And now, a few of you think that these neighborhoods will want to leave the financial stability of the township and petition a struggling city to incorporate them just in time for them to be included in the court ordered receivership plans?
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 13:33
Comment from: egpenet [Visitor] Email
I raise this issue under the egis of "municipal finance." And I rasie it, because I want to know what will happen if things get truly dire. When and IF they do, I don't think theree will be any other choice but to raise an income tax. And in such a circumstance, I imagine there would be no more room for a property tax rollback. We'd need every penny.

The real question I was asking from all of the candidates, perhaps including township relations, is what are your plans, your visions, your recommendations, your programs you will bring to council. Qualifications and experiences aside ... Where will you take us? And how will we get there?

As I originally said ... the "impression" I get from the literature is "steady as you go" or "retrenchment" until it all blows over. In any case, my impressions may be wrong.

Two guys are hanging off from manacles on a wall ... their feet off the ground. They're in rags and have long beards. One turns to the other and says: "OK, now, here's my plan."

PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 13:45
Comment from: nammeroo [Visitor] Email
"I, for one, am absolutely opposed to bringing back the income tax for another vote. Ypsilanti voted and convincingly turned it down. End of discussion. To bring it back up would be a colossal waste of time and resources when we all know what the result of another vote would be. Our time will be better spent figuring out where we go from her rather than retracing old paths.

Rod Johnson, Candidate - Ward 3, Ypsilanti City Council"

WOW! I am impressed Rod. I had no idea that you had such ability to obfuscate! If I didn't know how strongly you pushed for the income tax last year, I would've thought from reading your post that you were a SCIT member. Rod, the income tax was bad public policy to begin with, and giving those that supported the idea another seat on Council would be even worse.
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 13:46
Comment from: egpenet [Visitor] Email
OK. The tax is dead ... long live the tax.

So, what are thee new ideas, alternatives, steps ... economic development ... city-center improvements to atract everyone whose last name isn't "sprawl" to live here ... initiatives with the county, state, EMU ... who is in the candidates' corners they can bring to the table ... same names ... new names ... are we encouraging the "Motor City" program ... historic tourism ... the creative class ... and who's driving?

Back to "finances" ... sorry JonF ... but it's simply we need the money, so where do we get it and how fast can we get it here and put it to work? No new ideas? New ideas?

Silence.
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 14:06
Comment from: Dirtgrain [Visitor] Email
Dammit! Just as I'm reading these latest comments (2:55 P.M.), the doorbell rings. It's a girl asking me to buy candy to support the Ypsi. Township recreation center. So, stealing the library wasn't enough for you all. You send your little spies into the city to take more. Not too good for us after all. I told the girl not to worry, that she didn't have to sell any more candy, as soon the township will be annexed and Mother Ypsi will take care of all. Viva la revolucion!
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 15:05
Comment from: Dirtgrain [Visitor] Email
New idea. Let's send our kids out to the township to sell candy to raise funds.
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 15:06
Comment from: John on Forest [Visitor] Email · http://home.comcast.net/~marraeshuler
Ed,

I am agreeing with you. I only quibbled about your use of the word finance and suggested economics might be a better word. But really I think we think the same thing. We (the city, it's leaders and it citizens) need to find real solutions to real problems of maintaining services under an atmosphere of slow growth in revenue and accelerating growth in the cost of those services.

I also agree with you. Let's hear some real solutions proposed by the candidates.
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 19:23
Comment from: John on Forest [Visitor] Email · http://home.comcast.net/~marraeshuler
trusty getto:

"Everyone wants to say the income tax issue is dead. I would like to agree, but you have to wonder about the sincerity of pro-tax people like Rod Johnson and Glen S."

TG, WHY? What have they done or said that makes you doubt their sincerity? I, too, was in favor of the income tax proposal. But now that the voters have so decisively said they don't what it, I concede to their will. Why would I even suggest to attempt it again, without some overwhelming change in the mind set of the voters. I have no problem accepting Rod Johnson's sincerity surrounding the income tax. As far as I know, no one has proposed making city income tax an issue for this election. Do you know of anyone who is proposing it be tried again, and is running on that as an issue???

In fact, Rod Johnson has gone on record, right here on MM, as being opposed to an income tax. He earns a point from me on that, currently putting him on my "vote for" list. None of the other candidates have so far said anything about their current stance on this [non]issue, or any real issue either.

"I vividly recall that the literature the pro-tax camp fliered the neighborhoods with said a NO vote was a vote for no AATA busing, closing the Senior Center, closing Rutherford Pool, and reducing police and fire.

None of that happened. In fact, a NO vote apparently meant FULL bus funding. The Senior Center and pool are still operating. City Council even put money in the police budget for two part-time cops. The fire department was even reorganized from three shifts down to two in order to have the same coverage (5 firemen) that we've had for since this income tax talk started years ago."


TG, why would you twist the facts like this. In the adopted 2008-2009/2009-2010 budget, Police was reduced by 6 positions. Fire was reduced by 3 positions, Rutherford Pool and Senior Center were funded at previous year levels, NOT restored to full funding. At the reduced funding the pool and senior center WOULD have to close if community groups were not pitching in to help with unfunded needs at those sites. While the city administration had proposed in the solvency plan that AATA be cut, the Mayor saw problems would arise if that took place, so he sought and gained support to fund AATA. That funding will come out of reserves. The result of not having additional revenues from a city income tax is that cuts have had to be made. This is what the citizens decided should happen. No one on the pro-tax side lied about what would happen. Everything they predicted about revenues vs expenditures is coming true and reductions in expenditures have become necessary.

What are the two part time police positions you are talking about???

"It's fine that people like Rod Johnson is now changing his view and saying he's against the income tax, but do you really believe it now that we are back into campaign mode? It will be interesting to see what they say next."

Yes I believe it. Not everyone in the world is narrow minded enough to take a position and then never change that position when new facts emerge. What they say next, I hope, will be to provide information on where they stand on the issues facing the city (Income tax isn't one of them.)

I'm 100% with egpenet, let's hear what the candidates think the issues are and let's hear those candidates propose real solutions.
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 20:04
Comment from: egpenet [Visitor] Email
For instance ...

1 - What are each candidate's top three City issues and how will they act on those issues?

2 - What are each candidates top three issues in their own Wards and how will they act on those issues?

3 - What is the candidates' vision for Ypsilanti in five years, and how do they propose to get the ball rolling?
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 20:53
Comment from: degutails [Visitor] Email
john, et al. - pete murdock is not only against the income tax, he was a founding member of scit. so i think if you haven't found another candidate against it, you possibly haven't looked very hard.

i believe the pool people thought last year that the city wouldn't fund anything, and were pessimistic about its continued operation. so any funding at all is better than what was broadcast as probable before the income tax vote.

if i seriously thought that a candidate's post in the comments section of a local blog meant that he or she was committed to that statement, i'd also be in negotiations to buy a particularly beautiful (and, may i say, walkable) bridge in brooklyn.

meredith
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 21:03
Comment from: John on Forest [Visitor] Email · http://home.comcast.net/~marraeshuler
Ed, EXACTLY!

meredith,

I know that Mr Murdock was against the CIT and involved in SCIT. But, I'm not going to endorse any candidates based on their history, only. What is his stance NOW, on any issue? And in asking that, I'd much rather hear from him on a real issue, not CIT. I've looked at every candidate's literature and no one has said a thing about it, including Mr Murdock.

I don't get your comment regarding statements on a blog. Is electronic communication not a valid tool? A challenge was put out on this very thread suggesting that some candidates are going to push CIT again. Mr Johnson is so far the only candidate that has responded, stating his position on the topic. I think his position is a sound well informed stance. Might it be that the other candidates ARE going to push a re-vote on CIT?

Yes any funding is better than none. Kudos to our city council and administration for being able to find some monies for the pool. I doubt they would have funded the pool even at the current level if a community group had not come forward to pick up the parts not funded. Why fund something half way if half the money would do no good?
PermalinkPermalink 06/22/08 @ 22:13
Comment from: trusty getto [Visitor] Email · http://www.trustygetto.com
Oh, John, I'm so sorry. I just made all that stuff up.

I most certainly didn't find it in any of the Council packets, and it was definitely not in the budget. So don't look there, or, God forbid, you might find some facts that aren't twisted.

Why don't I believe them? Because I'm not gullible. How does that saying go? Fool me once, shame on you -- fool me twice, shame on me . . .
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/08 @ 00:43
Comment from: applejack [Visitor] Email
Apropos to Mark's comment on the front page about printing up yard signs saying "Annex the Township!", I'd like to volunteer my time going door-to-door to see how many we can get up.
And I know the idea is pretty far-fetched at this point, but I think what we need is a grassroots effort to inform Michigan voters about this issue, and I don't just mean in Ypsilanti. I think most Michiganders would be surprised to find out that we're the only state in the union with cities that cannot annex townships (and lo and behold our cities are not looking so good right now).
The only realistic way this can be changed is with an amendment to the state constitution. A few yard signs might begin to get this on the radar of local politicians at least.
So should we keep it simple with "Annex the township!" or maybe, "Stop the Sprawl: Annex the Township!" ?
We could print up a couple hundred signs pretty cheap and maybe some pamphlets with more info about the issue.
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/08 @ 01:10
Comment from: Let's Get Together [Visitor]
You all are silly. Why don't the five of you get together at a local establishment and TALK?! All 54 posts could probably be discussed in 20 minutes, far less time than it takes to read and respond to them. Or would you all need to debate whether to meet in the Township or the City?! Ugh...
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/08 @ 02:26
Comment from: Edge of the Sprawl [Visitor]
Applejack,

Displaying signs like that would only show your ignorance of the State laws. Charter townships provide enormous benefits to the state. Here's a great link if your interested in increasing your knowledge:

http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/2/6/8/7/7/pages268779/p268779-1.php


Why are you so sure combining with the township would be good for the city? We outnumber you more than 2 to 1 and our views would prevail on every issue?