12/19/05

Permalink 11:52:00 pm, by mark - Civil Liberties

what kind of sick individual wouldn't want an attentive big brother?

With the President’s approval, the National Security Agency (NSA) has been spying on American citizens without oversight. They’ve been doing it since 2002, but Bush has just admitted it. (You know, I really didn’t believe the story that came out a few days ago about Bush saying to his advisors that the Constitution is “just a goddamned piece of paper,” but now I’m starting to wonder if there might be some truth to it.)

I guess from now on we should all just assume that we’re being watched all of the time… Did you see in today’s news that a student at U-Mass was visited at home by federal agents after requesting an inter-library loan of Chairman Mao’s little red book? That’s not really the kind of thing you’d expect from a free society, is it?

Of course Cheney says that if Clinton had allowed warrantless surveillance 9/11 never would have happened. As the folks at Think Progress point out, however, that’s absolute bullshit. Here’s a blurb from their post on the subject:

The NSA “already had the capacity to read your mail and your e-mail and listen to your telephone conversations. All it had to do was obtain a warrant from a special court created for this purpose. The burden of proof for obtaining a warrant was relaxed a bit after 9/11, but even before the attacks the court hardly ever rejected requests.” Indeed, from 1979 to 2002, the FISA court issued 15,264 surveillance warrants. Not a single warrant application was rejected.

But we needed to make it easier… eliminating any written documentation, as well as oversight.

I guess maybe we should just be happy that we aren’t being torturedat least not on U.S. soil.

(note: This post was brought to you courtesy of the brand new They Might Be Giants podcast.)

Comments, Pingbacks:

Comment from: Tony Buttons Esq. [Member] Email
See also "Echelon"

http://cryptome.org/echelon-60min.htm
PermalinkPermalink 12/20/05 @ 09:51
Comment from: Kathleen [Member] Email
I think it's sad that UMass had to Interlibrary Loan Mao's Little Red Book. Why on earth is it not in their stacks? Good thing I didn't buy mine, so I'm untraceable.
PermalinkPermalink 12/20/05 @ 09:53
Comment from: Dr Cherry [Member] Email · http://hamtramckstar.com
I posted a comment but the Ministry of Truth deleted it.
PermalinkPermalink 12/20/05 @ 11:32
Comment from: Stella Magdalen [Member] Email
Ok I have been trying SO hard for so long not to say this but I can't not.
To me, Dr. Cherry sounds like a great porn name.
PermalinkPermalink 12/20/05 @ 13:30
Comment from: Dr Cherry [Member] Email · http://hamtramckstar.com
"... been trying SO hard for so long ..."

It is a great porn name though I hope those video tapes never see the light of day, I don't need that kind of fame.
PermalinkPermalink 12/20/05 @ 14:25
Comment from: Tony Buttons Esq. [Member] Email
My porn name was always going to be Buster Hymen (sob, sob, sniffle...) but just wasn't in the cards for me.
PermalinkPermalink 12/20/05 @ 15:41
Comment from: It's Skinner Again [Member] Email
I thought you got your porn name by combining the name of your first pet with the first street you lived on.
PermalinkPermalink 12/20/05 @ 18:36
Comment from: Collin [Member] Email · http://fizzleandpop.blogspot.com/
Pudding Santiago. mmm...no. Not even in porn.
PermalinkPermalink 12/20/05 @ 19:27
Comment from: mark [Member] Email
It disgusts me to say this, but I love the taste of Pudding Santiago.
PermalinkPermalink 12/20/05 @ 20:34
Comment from: mark [Member] Email
Echelon under Clinton isn't a good analogy. Here's something from Think Progress:

...That’s flatly false. The Clinton administration program, code-named Echelon, complied with FISA. Before any conversations of U.S. persons were targeted, a FISA warrant was obtained. CIA director George Tenet testified to this before Congress on 4/12/00:

"I’m here today to discuss specific issues about and allegations regarding Signals Intelligence activities and the so-called Echelon Program of the National Security Agency…

There is a rigorous regime of checks and balances which we, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency and the FBI scrupulously adhere to whenever conversations of U.S. persons are involved, whether directly or indirectly. We do not collect against U.S. persons unless they are agents of a foreign power as that term is defined in the law. We do not target their conversations for collection in the United States unless a FISA warrant has been obtained from the FISA court by the Justice Department."



PermalinkPermalink 12/20/05 @ 22:50

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