I wasn’t going to post anything here about the recent news that R.E.M. was breaking up, until, at the gym this morning, I heard two network morning show talking heads going back and forth about how they’d only started appreciating the band in recent years. I suppose they could have meant that they were really into Poison and Starship in the mid 80’s, and they’re just now realizing how stupid they’d been. But, the sense that I got was that they didn’t start appreciating the band until the foursome from Athens, Georgia started churning out top 40 hits. Well, for whatever reason, it got to me. I can see people saying that R.E.M. became less relevant with time, but it really bothered me to hear people articulate the belief that the band found its creative voice with Losing My Religion. At any rate, that motivated me to come home and start typing.
R.E.M. was an incredibly important band for me in the early to mid-80’s. It not only gave me something to dance around and drink to while showering, but it pointed me in the direction of a lot of a lot of other things that would become hugely influential in my life. (For some reason, I showered a lot in the mid-80’s. At least, I have a lot of memories of drinking rum and Cokes in the shower, and screaming along with R.E.M. records. It was kind of a weekend ritual for me, like watching episodes of Degrassi Junior High wile eating tunafish on Ritz crackers, which would happen immediately beforehand. It’s still kind of amazing to me that I didn’t slip in the tub while dancing along to Murmur and kill myself.)
I know this will sound odd to a lot of you, but it was different back then, when you fell in love with a band. Before the internet, you had to actually talk with people in record stores, read zines, and do geeky stuff, like join fan clubs that would send you real, honest-to-goodness letters. I can’t remember when I first heard R.E.M.. It may have been in October 1983, when they appeared on Letterman. I don’t think, however, that I was watching Letterman every night until I was a little older. It’s more likely that my friend Andrew told me about them. I seem to recall him telling me that they visited his New Jersey college in ’83. (The early R.E.M., fueled by speed, toured like crazy.) Michael Stipe, if I remember correctly, had shaved his head like a monk prior to that show, and proceeded to lather up the remaining ring of hair with mustard and other condiments. At least that’s how I remember the story being related to me. And, at some point after that, Andrew made me a cassette with a bunch of bootlegs from their early days in Athens, back when they hosted parties in the church on Oconee Street. Or maybe I heard something about them at Country Pie, the local record store in Newton, New Jersey where I’d go to spend my hardware store money on cassettes. I can’t remember which came first. Whatever it was, though, it made a powerful imprint on my young mind.
Not only did I love those first records, and seek out every opportunity possible to see the band, but I also started digging into their roots, trying to find out everything I could about the scene in Athens around that same time. I’d already been into the B52s, but, thanks to R.E.M., I found out about Pylon, and, through Pylon, I found out about the label DB Recs. New doors kept opening up, and I kept running though them, happy to have something to feel passionate about at long last. Then, in 1987, the documentary Athens, GA. Inside/Out came to a tiny art theater not too far from where I lived at the time in Washington, D.C.. I’d go and see it, by myself, on three consecutive nights, in hopes of committing it all to memory. And the rest was history. Not too long after that, I’d decide to form my first band.
I’d taken similar journeys with the Velvet Underground and Warhol, and the CBGB’s scene that spawned the Ramones and their contemporaries in New York, but this exploration of Athens may have been the last real time that dove in and really tried to apply the techniques of historic archeology to a cultural scene in hopes of figuring out who was ultimately responsible, and what all the contributing factors were. As much as I loved the music, it was always more about the attitude with me – this idea that arose in Athens at the time that anyone could make art, regardless of whether or not they could play instruments. I know I’ve talked about it here before, but there’s great scene in Athens, Ga: Inside/Out in which Michael from Pylon, a painter by training, explains how he just decided to buy a cheap bass and start making music, irregardless of the fact that he had no idea how. It was incredibly liberating.
Linette just walked up behind me, saw what I was writing about, and said something like, “Every boy I knew went through a stage where they loved R.E.M., only to eventually turn their backs them.” And, as much as I’d like to think that I’m special, I guess that’s what happened with me. At some point, I just stopped buying records. The last one I bought was Green in 1988. I’m not sure what happened. When I’d hear their stuff on the radio, I’d like it, but it just didn’t grab me in the same way. Maybe it’s part of growing up. Maybe, sooner or later, you have to turn against those whom you most admire, in order to carve out some kind of identity of your own. Or, maybe, their music just wasn’t as compelling. Either way, I just wanted to put it down on the record that, a long time ago, they meant a hell of a lot to me. And, more importantly, they led the way to people like Howard Finster and Vanessa from Pylon who I’d actually become friends with in the real world…. It’s certainly weird how things unfold in life.
And, here, if you haven’t heard it in a while, is Radio Free Europe:
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Mark – I, like you, thought that REM was one of those bands that comes around once in a generation and you were damn glad you found them. I first heard them in the basement of a friend who was off to college and we joined up in the Summer to shoot the shit and talk and listen to records. I was up here at EMU and was into the first wave of British bands at the time. My contribution to the listening sessions were early Furs, Bunnnymen, Joy Division, XTC and U2. Something about that sound that just was right for me at the time. The music had a desperation that you could somehow feel – it is hard to describe. REM was like that too, and I would say that their first five albums compare to any bands five consecutive releases very favorably (the only thing I think is close is the Stones in the 70’s, where everything – minus perhaps Some Girls – was ballsy, bluesy, and drug induced mayhem).
Makes me think back and wonder if any other readers ever frequented a place in A2 called Make Waves on State Street. It was the place in town to get Punk and New Wave music and clothing. Fond memories indeed.
REM was the template for how college radio favorites became successful.
Degrassi! I loved that show! Had such a crush on Snake. Remember when we found out his brother was gay? Good times.
I loved this band until the Orange Crush-Stand-Shiny Happy People trifecta and then it kind of fell apart from me. They got me back though with Strange Currencies. I love that song for reasons I don’t think I can explain.
I have always hated REM. I never will understand what could possibly be good about them. I lived in the South in the 80’s and was subjected to their drivel and, worse yet, their fans , on a daily basis.
Good riddance.
Mind you, like all opinions on music, this is just my opinion.
Simple, straighforward, stripped down alterna-twang. That is what was good, and new, and refreshing about them Pete. I can see why many in the South could not comprehend their goodness as the messes were trying to find the replacement for Lynyrd Skynyrd at the time.
Starship Rules!
On the contrary, as a Southern band, they were wildly popular.
I really didn’t get it. I even had the misfortune of seeing them not once, but twice. The Athens scene just never clicked with me, though my opinion certainly matters not.
I have to say that Skynrd were infinitely worse all four times I’ve ever seen them.
I’m sorry, mark, I shouldn’t have even commented here. If one can’t say anything nice….
They were so important for pop music, and so good during the IRS years. I’m not sure I can think of another band who hurt their own legacy more by staying together. They were mostly awful for more than twenty years. Even the Stones manage at least one good Keith Richards song every release. They just became increasingly insufferable as individuals, even Mike Mills and Buck came off as jerks in recent years.
Didn’t Peter Buick get thrown off an airplane a few years ago for dumping a yogurt on someone’s head?
ahhh. I remember how I found out about REM. A friend in high school who was very into alternative music gave me a tape of Chronic Town sometime in the late spring of 1982. I loved it! Some of my fondest memories are of the huge arguments we had about the lyrics.
I’ve seen REM live dozens of times, all over the country, including in some pretty small venues. Some of my best memories are of singing REM songs with my friends in various situations. The best was having a friend sing “Everybody Hurts” to me while on a hiking trip. I had pulled a muscle in my leg and every step was agony. We were at the last big climb before the camp site and he scampered up the hill and stood at the top singing “Everybody Hurts” as I screamed at him that the only reason I was coming up the hill was to kick his butt. :) Ahhhh. REM is totally part of the sound track of my life :)
But like you, I abandoned them too. I stuck it out a little longer and Monster was the last album I bought from them. I still listen to those old albums but you know what, even though I’ve liked their newer stuff when I’ve heard it on the radio, I’ve found that I can meet my REM needs with the 10 albums I own so I don’t feel any real need to buy their new stuff (which to me, sounds a lot like their old stuff)
When I transferred all of my albums to my pod I realized how much REM I had. I didn’t love the later stuff like I loved the early stuff, but I kept buying it because I felt like they deserved me to take their entire oeuvre into account. Also, I was a DJ on WCBN in the early-mid 80s, and, you know. That stuff was way up on the request lists.
I like Howard Finster’s music better.
This is a nice post, even with the stuff from Pete. Pete, by the way, also hates the Beatles. But I think you probably could have guessed that. Thanks for sharing your memories as to how you were first exposed to REM, everyone.
Who are the Beatles? I have honestly never heard of them …
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/apr/06/world.jeevanvasagar
Obviously, the rise of sharia law in America is to blame.
Demetrius — the Beatles were a British band from several decades ago. They played rather saccharine pop music, appealing mostly to teenage girls.
Rebuttal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVf5Cr4M-F8
And watered-down imitations of pieces others had done earlier. As tape collages go, this one is more inventive, don’t you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckifQZuIxE&feature=related
Well played.
I still like the Beatles, though.
John Cage and Yoko were old friends, long before she met Lennon. John Lennon and Cage liked to cook macrobiotic meals together too.
Must be where he’d his ideas.
That Cage bio that came out earlier this year is a really good read too. He was an interesting cat. One of the countries leading experts on mushroom hunting.
My old classmate, Kyle Gann, wrote a nice book all about Cage’s silent piece, 4’33”: “There Is No Such Thing As Silence.” I recommend it. He and I once performed Cage’s two-piano piece, “Experiences 1.” Ah, memories.
Gosh I liked reading about those early (earlier) days–really got across a precious thing, a kind of love, and the very sweet magic of deep feeling it can spur/stir in your life, what it brings along and lets happen. I love hearing about the shower ritual too and feel a need to hear some old REM songs now and next time I shower (sometime soon, ha ha). (Will hear “Don’t Go Back to Rockville” and get a very mushy heart . . . )
I spent a few years hearing the early REM music (mostly by accident at friends’ dorm rooms). Not terribly impressed. Cute little ditties, I guess.
I just wonder what would make someone say they were “relevant.”
Folk-rock, country-rock, whatever. Straight forward. Not mind altering. Just background stuff.
And what would make them less relavant now? Their popularity? I must have missed something.
Put on your yogurt protective clothing. Peter Buck’s back is healed, and he’s going on tour.
http://www.remhq.com/news_story.php?id=1461
An interview with Stipe about the breakup is on Salon today.
http://www.salon.com/2011/11/14/michael_stipe_why_r_e_m_called_it_a_day/
Nice piece my friend.
Hey, Vanessa. I’m glad you found this. It’s nice to know that you’re visiting the site on occasion. One of these days, I need to post that interview I did with you and Michael on the site.
For folks who don’t recognize the name, this comment comes from one of my favorite musicians of all time, Vanessa Briscoe Hay, formerly of Pylon. I’ve written about Pylon a lot in the past. They’re responsible, among other things, for me starting my first band. They’re also some of the nicest, most genuine people you’ll ever meet… and wrote damned good songs.
Here’s Vanessa’s Wikipedia page.
My best lovemaking was done to REM.
no wonder she left you
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