Count the votes! Stop the count!

Supporters of Donald Trump, with his encouragement, have been protesting across the nation since the election. In some states, like Michigan, they’ve been demanding that the counting of votes be stopped. And, in others, like Arizona, they’ve been demanding that the counting of votes be continued. I don’t want to get into how stupid it is that Trump and his people are arguing one thing in states where he’s ahead, and the exact opposite in states where he’s behind. I think it’s probably obvious to most of you what’s going on. I just wanted to note it, though, as I think it speaks to the insanity of what we’re being confronted with at the moment, as America’s least informed citizens, having been fed a constant diet of lies by Fox News for decades, have now been unleashed upon our democratic institutions by a man who has nothing left to lose, and no concern at all for the long term damage being done.

The folks who descended on the TCF Center here in Detroit yesterday to bang on windows and demand that lawfully cast ballots not be counted were apparently called to action by way of a new Facebook group disseminating conspiracy theories about how Joe Biden was attempting to steal the election. Here’s an example of the kind of content this group has been sharing online. This post, made by Fox News personality Lou Dobbs, contends that boxes of fake, pro-Biden ballots have been delivered to Detroit’s TCF Center to be counted. [It’s worth pointing out that the President’s son Eric shared the same post. It’s also worth noting that Dobbs isn’t the only Fox News personality pushing out conspiracy theories for Trump. Maria Bartiromo is dong it too.]

This, of course, was bullshit. As WXYZ’s Ross Jones was quick to point out, the “ballot thief” seen in the above image was his photographer, who was loading camera equipment into the building so that they could cover the ballot counting. Here’s WXYZ telling the story last night.

According to CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan, the social media disinformation campaigns are coming fast and furious now. The group pro-Trump Facebook group “Stop The Steal,” he says is “gaining about 1,000 new members EVERY 10 SECONDS.” So this is likely only going to get worse. Thankfully, it looks like Biden’s lead here in Michigan is large enough that we can avoid the worst of it, as the attention of those looking to steal the election on Trump’s behalf has been turned to other states, where it may be easier for them to obfuscate the truth and sell a narrative of election fraud. The good news is, the Republicans, for the most part, don’t seem to be pitching in to help Trump in his attempt to hijack the election. As Matthew Gertz just pointed out, “Trump needing to trot out the Sekulow/Giuliani/Bondi team for the election lawsuits kinda suggests that the GOP legal establishment extracted everything it wanted from Trump and is now leaving him for dead.” Let’s hope that’s the case, and that we’re spared the civil war by those self-serving Republicans who would rather just focus on keeping their positions of power and holding onto the Senate. It should also be noted that, so far, at least as far as I can tell, no states have stopped counting their ballots in order to appease Donald Trump. As Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf just said, “Pennsylvania is going to count every vote and no amount of intimidation will stop our dedicated election officials in our municipalities… The planned attacks on our elections this morning are undemocratic and all elected officials must denounce them.”

update: Trump has put out an official statement, again claiming to have won, despite the popular vote.

update: In Nevada, former Trump Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell and right wing operative Matt Schlapp claim to have evidence of illegal ballots having been cast for Biden. They they refuse to share what that evidence is, when asked by reporters.

update: It seems likely, as of right now, that Biden will win Nevada, and maybe even Georgia. Here’s the latest.

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  1. Posted November 5, 2020 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    If your candidate is losing right now, it’s because you didn’t put enough flags on your truck.

  2. Trog
    Posted November 5, 2020 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Biden received 100% of the Troglodyte vote.

  3. Posted November 5, 2020 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    From a Detroit poll worker. I have removed the name for their safety.
    Read this illuminating account from a Democratic poll watcher at the TCF center in Detroit.
    Some general observations from spending a long day as a challenger for the Democratic Party in Detroit while poll workers completed the process of counting tens of thousands of absentee ballots cast during this election.
    First, the process of tabulating these AV ballots is both transparent and incredibly organized. In a huge conference room, 134 precincts were present with 6-7 poll workers stationed per precinct all with very specific and mostly mundane jobs. I watched one woman unfold and flatten thousands of ballots throughout the day. That was her job. All of this happened in plain view. Challengers had full access to observe this process.
    Second, GOP challengers fell into one of three categories: (1) agitators. These guys (they were all guys) would question every thing that poll workers were doing while shouting senseless things like “don’t count that vote!” When confronted, their immediate reaction was to escalate. (2) mask trolls. These people preferred the chin strap mask and took joy when told to cover their mouth and nose as if they were playing a game. Many had exaggerated coughs. (3) the serious idealogues. These were the majority. Many of them campaign staffers and GOP operatives.
    While all of these GOP challengers may have had different motives for being there, they all had one thing in common: a genuine belief that widespread fraud was being perpetrated before their eyes. I spoke with many of these people (admittedly most were kind and well-mannered) about what they were seeing. None were able to provide any cogent or consistent basis for their believe, but all were undeterred. None of them were able to cite any evidence of wrongdoing or fraudulent activity going on before our very eyes.
    Minutes prior to filing a lawsuit alleging lack of access to this process, hundreds of unmasked Republicans bum rushed the doors to the conference room. When officials refused to let them enter they began chanting “Stop the Vote!” “Stop the Count!” The huge presence of media surrounded them with cameras and microphones as a Jared Kushner doppelgänger announced the filing of the lawsuit. It was a pathetic and desperate stunt.
    After 8 months of cautiously living through this pandemic, this was clearly the riskiest activity of mine in terms of COVID exposure. None of this risk was my own doing.
    The poll workers I observed were impressively resilient and composed. They spent a full day focused on their job while challengers peered over their shoulder questioning their every move. Many were blatantly accused of wrongdoing and repeatedly bullied. I didn’t witness a single poll worker lose his/her composure or react to the obviously uncomfortable environment they were in. I kept telling myself that the presidency was being determined in that room by weary poll workers who had every right to lose their shit, but didn’t. It was impressive. They had a great moment of solidarity when they stood and cheered when one jerk was escorted out of the room by police after a nasty incident of intimidation.
    My final thoughts come after listening to Biden’s remarks from earlier this afternoon. He stated that our political opponents are not our enemies and that we must find a way to unite. I did my best today to accept this approach, but it was very hard. I spent the day with fellow Americans living in an entirely different reality. America is sadly broken. A Biden presidency gives me hope that we can repair these wounds. I just don’t know how we get there.

  4. Anonymous
    Posted November 5, 2020 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    John James is calling for an investigation, but won’t respond to media inquiries as to what is to be investigated.

    Maybe our resident expert on vote fraud, code name HW, can share the details here.

  5. Posted November 5, 2020 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Mueller investigation = hoax
    Impeachment = hoax
    Pandemic = hoax
    Election Results = hoax

  6. Posted November 6, 2020 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    Today there are three groups of Republicans…

    The silent, the critical, and the complicit.

  7. Posted November 6, 2020 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Chris Christie tells Trump to stop inflaming and show the evidence

    (From: Axios)

  8. Posted November 6, 2020 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    White voter turnout barely increased this election and more whites voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016. Thank you Latinx voters who increased from 12 million to 20 million. That’s +65%. And they voted overwhelmingly for Biden. Thank you to the movement builders who spent that last ten years building a grassroots progressive political movement in Arizona to get Latinx and others more engaged. Thank you UNITE-HERE, UFCW, and other unions for being a core part of this story in Phoenix. Shame on the Democratic establishment for thinking that mild centrist reformism was going to win back alienated white working class people angry that their standard of living has fallen for decades. The famous New Deal Coalition was built on big change that delivered in people’s lives. Sorry folks, but Bernie would have done far better.

  9. Posted November 6, 2020 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    “Sorry folks, but Bernie would have done far better.”

    Pure fantasy.

  10. Posted November 6, 2020 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    I’m hoping Trump barricades himself in the Oval Office and has to be taken out by a SWAT team.

  11. Bob
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    This election probably not. He definitely lost momentum. Bernie with a strong running mate would have been a bett candidate than Hillary. I firmly believe that. Anyone would have been better. We wouldn’t be in this Trump mess now with a nearly unstoppable right wing Supreme Court.

  12. Anonymous
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    We should have run Wobblie as our candidate. We would have won every state in a massive landslide.

  13. Posted November 6, 2020 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Given how dumb so many of the electorate vote, I would be the right candidate for them, a dolt for the dumb–kinda catchy don’t you think, or maybe a dolt for the most. Got to work on the slogans, but I am no more creative than I am smart–another potential voter base for me to attract. A no talent dolt for the masses–still dosn’t have the ring I need. Maybe JH can help out.

    the centerist failure to move republican/death cult voters to the Democrats is being blamed on Biden being stuck with the “socialist” label is as predictable as republicans accusing every Democrat of being a socialist. Was not that their mantra against Obama–he was a Kenyan Socialist, I remember being told that repeatedly–one of the main reasons I voted for him twice. Could not get any more centerist than Clinton and Biden–it took the mobilization of “left” voters to defeat Trump. It was the failure of Clinton to mobilize “left” voters that caused her defeat. But count on the Democrats to learn the wrong lessons once again.

  14. Posted November 6, 2020 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    so dumb I forget to look at what name I am using—an obvious winning candidate

  15. Posted November 6, 2020 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Despite the lack of a huge groundswell of support for my candidacy I am reminded of my last venture into electoral politics. I ran for state representative back in 1976. This election cycle was very much like the 76 election. An impeached president. Empire crumbling. Cost of endless war weighing down the economy. A growing awareness of the ecological crises. Actual talk from politicians of Economic Democracy . At that time the left was splintered between Harris, Udal and Brown among others. Like this year the moderates and pro-empire Democrats coalesced around a single candidate, Jimmy Carter and won the primaries. I ran as an independent on an Economic Democracy platform, this was down in south central Illinois (where I hail from). We didn’t get much traction and I went down to glorious defeat. Carter won. I will say he was the last decent human we have had as President, but he totally failed to deliver anything to the working class–which as now, was being hammered by an economy that was stripping them of any wealth they may have accumulated. Thus the creation of the Reagan Democrats in 1980.
    Biden was around when Jimmy was President. I hope he learned that he needs to deliver to his voters, or they may run away when a demagogue from the right sings a siren song.

  16. John Brown
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    “Trump Unity Bridge impounded and driver arrested on outstanding warrant” is the best metaphor for this shit show, at least for this latest 20 min news cycle.

  17. Posted November 6, 2020 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Some much smarter people than me (who isn’t) take on how Biden should govern.

  18. Posted November 6, 2020 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    and meanwhile our unseasonably warm weather is being driven by the spike in artic warming and the failure of ice to form.

  19. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Biden will not be president. Major election fraud will be exposed. There will be millions of fake ballots for Joe and destroyed ballots for Trump.

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Not only fake ballots but fake counts: Antrim County in Michigan had a “glitch in the software” that transposed 6.000 votes from Trump to Biden. 47 counties used the same software. How shitty of a programmer would one have to be for that to happen on accident?

  21. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

  22. Bob
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    How bad does your butt hurt right now, Denial Lord?

  23. Posted November 6, 2020 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    HW: “Biden will not be president. Major election fraud will be exposed. There will be millions of fake ballots for Joe and destroyed ballots for Trump.”

    You’ve watched the watermark video, haven’t you. lol

  24. Posted November 6, 2020 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    I have a few HW types going nuts on my feed about election fraud but my favorite is when they start complaining that their first amendment rights are being violated by Facebooks fact-checking feature.

    I still wonder how anyone can think that Bernie Sanders could have beaten Trump in 2016 when he lost that primary is such a landslide to Hillary Clinton. But ok. That is one of those nice fantasies because it can never be proved wrong.

  25. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think it could be called “butt hurt” (corny term; are you sure you and iRobert aren’t related?) to be furious about your party using massive fraud. ‘Pissed off’ would be better. Not that pissed though because I think your peeps are going to get caught for what they did. Multi-state massive fraud with millions of votes.

    You are in denial. I show my work. A glitch in one of the easiest type of software tasks imaginable? Oops, 6,000 votes just went to Biden in one little county! Oh well! Shit happens!!! Want a recount? Conspeericy Theerist!!!

  26. Posted November 6, 2020 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, Trump is running a giant sting operation. Right, HW?

    You’re such a sucker. Are you completely devoid of critical thinking skills? You couldn’t pick up on the glaring tells in that stupid video?

  27. Posted November 6, 2020 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Tens of thousands of indictments are about to be unsealed. Right?

  28. Posted November 6, 2020 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m establishing a Trump 2024 PAC.

    I’m also going to try to get Trump installed as RNC chair.

  29. Posted November 6, 2020 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Lynne, some day you need to spend some time reading the DNC and Podesta emails. It will give you a different view of the 2016 primary election (probably not, you are certain in your knowledge). I know you are much smarter than me, but even the smartest of folks can remain willfully ignorant for ideological reasons. Its kinda like that Tulsi is a Russian agent and going to run 3rd party certainty.

  30. Posted November 6, 2020 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Q-Anon crackpots planned on an assault of ballot counting center.


  31. Posted November 6, 2020 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    So far they have arrested gun totting and in one case explosive laden death cult members outside vote counting centers in Virginia, N. Carolina and now in Penn. FF, and HW has the Leader lifted the stand down and stand by order, or are these renegades?

  32. Bob
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    The process for tabulating votes has been exhaustingly explained, dumbo. There are large batches of mail in votes that get counted and credited. That they are going to Biden overwhelmingly is no surprise. It’s why Trump was laying the groundwork for this well in advance. Your dictator lost. What’s more, the emperor has no clothes. At the end of the day he has nothing up his sleeve but lies and a tiny, feeble little penis. It’s over.

    The really scary thing for you conservative pinheads is that while it’s slow and bumpy, the mail-in voting process has been incredibly successful. There was a huge uptick in voters who took advantage of the option. And It worked. And now states know how to do it. It will get smoother and smoother. The voter turnout will be bigger and bigger. This spells long-term doom for the GOP. The pandemic made their worst fear a reality. Sorry, bitch-boy.

  33. Posted November 6, 2020 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Bob, you just don’t know how devious the Democrats are. They rigged the election in multiple states, and then to disguise the theft, they made most of the fake ballots split ballots so that the Republicans would gain house seats and control the Senate. Talk about devious, almost Moriarty like.

  34. Posted November 6, 2020 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Q-crackpot HW: “You are in denial. I show my work. A glitch in one of the easiest type of software tasks imaginable? Oops, 6,000 votes just went to Biden in one little county! Oh well! Shit happens!!! Want a recount? Conspeericy Theerist!!!”

    The error was corrected without any problem. And you’re so stupid you don’t know this sort of error has happened in every big election over the past 20 years. You don’t know that because your an idiot that just fell of the turnip truck. Now every little bit of info you discover is a big eureka moment for you. So dumb.

  35. Bob
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Hey Wobblie, is there a good link for those DNC emails you referenced? Where do I see that?

  36. Posted November 6, 2020 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Control of the Senate will come down to the two Georgia run off elections that will occur in Jan. You have until early Dec. to register to vote in that election. For those who are able to establish legal residency by Dec. they can register. It took carpetbaggers post civil war to help with Reconstruction. 21st. century carpetbaggers could help bring about a Green New Deal.

  37. Posted November 6, 2020 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    wobblie. I have read those emails or at least I think I have. There were a ton and they were mostly boring so I didn’t read them all. I had a friend who seemed to think the emails were damning forward me a few of the ones he was sure made the DNC look like they cheated Bernie but when I read them, what I saw was strategizing for a Clinton win that was pretty much in the bag at the time. *shrug* But if you have specific emails that show that the Dems rigged things and then covered it up, by all means, share them!

    It probably IS very much like ‘Tulsi is Russian agent and is going to run third party certainty’, i.e. a disingenuous spin

  38. Posted November 6, 2020 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    “what I saw was strategizing for a Clinton win that was pretty much in the bag at the time”, the DNC was coordinating with the Clinton campaign before a single vote had been cast. Oh well.

    Some body else’s analysis who is much smarter than me.

  39. Posted November 6, 2020 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Lynne this is an article from July 2016. It talks about how the DNC funneled some thing like 82 million dollars that was supposed to go to state parties to the Clinton campaign. It also references a George Clooney fund raiser that occurred in March as some of the money that was funneled to Clinton. There is a reason why Democrats took it on the chin down ballot in 2016 and that is because the DNC gave there money to Clinton so she could beat Sanders. How much more do you want me to dig up for you.

  40. Bob
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Do you think some of that money would have helped local Dems get Clinton signs out? A woefully low number of her signs were dispensed and placed. It gave her the stench of loser even before election day. A few thousand votes would have tipped Michigan. This is a fact.

  41. Posted November 6, 2020 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    More crackpots plotted to break in and steal ballots.

    Were HW and/or EOS involved in that one?

  42. Posted November 6, 2020 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    wobblie, I hear your criticism about how the DNC chose to allocate money but that is hardly rigging.

    Bob, I wonder often about that. I chose not to display a lawn sign because so many Bernie supporters were being so threatening, I was worried that my house would be vandalized. Similarly, instead of a bumper sticker for my car, I got a magnet so I could remove it when I parked.

  43. Bob
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Michael Moore spoke at length about the HRC sign fiasco in Michigan. He questioned the campaign at the time. It was deliberate.

    Seriously, Lynne? The threatening Bernie bros made you scared to put up a sign? What a giant crock of shit.

    You can dislike Bernie all you want but he had ten times more enthusiasm and campaign attendance numbers. He would have taken a large number of votes that went to Trump. At some point people should just admit they were wrong. The Bernie Bros crap and populism is a dirty word is just fucking stupid at this point.

  44. Lynne
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Your comments might have hurt my feelings, Bob, if I weren’t already completely used to men mansplaining to me what my experiences have been.

    I stopped listening to Michael Moore years ago. He is just too much of an asshole for me. I can see why he appeals to YOU though.

  45. Bob
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Everything is anti women with you. Such a bore. That’s a shame because I thought we were just talking. Sorry you feel somebody calling out your stupid Bernie bros hysteria as mansplaining. What a stupid word. What exactly did Michael Moore do that was being such an asshole? Being right most of the time?

  46. Jean Henry
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    You are all a bunch of nut jobs. I love it how sexism is the conspiracy theory for you…

    Bob do you still think the Dems need to win back the white working class to win, because as far as I can tell it’s not white ppl that brought home this election for Biden. And those WWC dudes love them some racism and by and large always have. Snf so they love Trump. So that Michael Moore strategy actually would have cost the Dems the election. The history of racism in the labor movement is long and has Largely ignored and allowed to fester. Because of ppl like you and Wobblie.

    I can support labor and still acknowledge that racism is one of its greatest failings and the cause of its current hobbled state because Reagan was able to dog whistle enough WWC voters away from the Dem party.

    Or was that Hillary’s fault too?

    Sanders would have won, right?

  47. Lynne
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    You think Moore is right most of the time? LOL.

    And yes, I do think that your calling my very real fears, based on my actual lived experience, “stupid Bernie Bros hysteria” is dismissive of my actual lived experiences to a degree that it qualifies as mansplaining.

    Everything is not anti-woman to me fwiw. I am lucky to have a lot of wonderful men and women in my life who are feminists and are sensitive about sexism. I almost never need to call anyone out. I call you out because you often say very sexist things here. This comments section has some serious sexism issues which I suspect is why there are so few women here. My guess is that you have normalized sexism so much that it is easy for you to dismiss it when people, but especially women, point it out to you.

  48. Posted November 6, 2020 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    I am hearing (I need to verify) that Trump got a higher percentage of minority votes of any Republican since 1960. Some thing to think about if true.

  49. Anonymous
    Posted November 6, 2020 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    We’ll never know for sure, but some Republicans in key areas like Arizona likely split their tickets with Biden at the top.

  50. Posted November 7, 2020 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Like I said…had we run Wobblie as our candidate we would have won by a huge landslide, because he would bring in almost all the working class voters and would have inspired 100 million unregistered but eligible adults to register and vote. He would also probably inspire many millions of people around the world to immigrate and fast-track to citizenship just for the opportunity to vote for him.

  51. Posted November 7, 2020 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Wobblie would have been the greatest candidate in US history, then after he was elected by the largest numbers in US history, hw would prove to be the greatest president in US history…with the possible but very unlikely exception of Abraham Lincoln. Wobblie would make give America the greatest economy in world history, and he would save all the victims all over the world from their victimizers. It would have been so perfect – so beautiful.

  52. Posted November 7, 2020 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    I’m deeply concerned. We’re losing the misogynistic and mentally ill vote. We have to figure out what we’re doing wrong and bring them back into the fold.

  53. Posted November 7, 2020 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    You are absolutely right iRobert. From my time on this site I have learned that you must be as dismissive as possible of other folks concerns, and call them racist, misogynistic and mentally ill. As a slow learner it has taken me a long time to understand that that is the way to bring those folks around to my/our way of thinking. I would promise to do what ever the “intelligence community” tells me and the world would be a happy hunky dory place.
    I’m not sure that I am old enough yet, my declining memory and physical health of course makes me eminently qualified for the job and I am male white and fat, so it seems I have all the qualifications necessary. I also did a brief stint as a life performing artist, so I am not afraid of getting up in front of folks and making a fool of myself. All I lack is hair. So my first fund raising effort is to raise some bucks to buy me a good looking rug. Send cash to me care of the Bellflower, (Mark I’ll pick the moola up when I get my Thanksgiving meal).

  54. Posted November 7, 2020 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Being what you might call height challenged, I’m going to need one of these too–so first the rug, and then 5’8″ here I come.,as%20new%20bone%20grows%20in%20the%20spaces%20between.

  55. Posted November 7, 2020 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Your so right, Wobblie. I was assigned to get the Maynard vote. I didn’t do so well.

    BitvI agree, we do need to win back the fascists. How do we do that? Should we use more flags and arm bands? More camp?

  56. Posted November 7, 2020 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Do we need our own Q? Maybe that would bring me back into the fold.

  57. Jean Henry
    Posted November 7, 2020 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Anyone have any guesses what this is about?
    Nerve wracking.

  58. Posted November 7, 2020 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    I know you worked very hard to bring HW around, and that effort alone should win you some accolades in the campaigning hall of fame. My constant wooing of FF I am sure was equally successful. Once the money starts rolling in I’ll bring you and Lynne on as my campaign managers. No way can we loose in 2024, Harris will be a pushover for us.

  59. Posted November 7, 2020 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Have you considered putting a hamburger on the end of a fishing pole?

  60. Posted November 7, 2020 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    No ideas on how we bring fascists back into the party, Wobblie? What would we call our own Q? X seems like a cool letter.

  61. Jean Henry
    Posted November 7, 2020 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    There is nothing but good news of the Black vote is split a little (very little) between parties because that means the Dem party will have to work harder for their votes which can only be good for the entire country. The Dems have started that work. More to come.

    The lost potential embodied in oppression is astounding. Oppression is expensive and is actually not long term economically productive or sound.

    Two other points:
    1) The Cuban and Venezuelan American vote was heavily influenced by their fears of statism which they conflate with ‘socialism’. I drive down south this summer and conservative radio was all over the Biden is a socialist line. Way more so than ANTIFA is burning cities. And there was nothing about BLM which tells me their internal polls told them socialism is scarier to the right than ‘identity politics.’

    2) the increase in Trump POC votes is based on exit polls excluding mail In ballots which excludes mail in ballots that skew heavily Dem. the overall increase in voters also might skew that number. I’m going to wait for the Pew data after the election to make any conclusions.

    It stinks mr that the right has not been able to attract more voters of color given that so many are socially conservative, anti abortion and religiously dogmatic. It’s not like those Dem voters have a belief system or economic circumstance much like the average liberal white voter.

  62. Jean Henry
    Posted November 7, 2020 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    *surprised me

  63. Posted November 7, 2020 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    JH, will you be available for consulting over the next 4 years? Just got off the phone with my image consultant. Evan with elevator heels and the leg extension surgery it is going to be tough to get to 5’8″ which means that half of Amercians are still going to be looking down at me. She advised I go with hair plugs instead of a rug, ala Joe, it will look more natural to those who will still see nothing but my noggin.
    Plugs are more expensive than a rug, so dig deep Maytards, let’s put a good looking roof on our candidate.

  64. Posted November 7, 2020 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Eisenhower did fine. You could go for that look, Wobblie. He was warning us against the military industrial complex, so you’d be bringing that to mind.

    I am wondering about the administration’s recent firings too, Jean. I wonder if it’s just a tantrum.

  65. Posted November 7, 2020 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    JH, I agree 100% with ,”There is nothing but good news of the Black vote is split a little (very little) between parties because that means the Dem party will have to work harder for their votes which can only be good for the entire country. ” Now explain to me why that same logic can not apply to the working class? It seems like they have been crying out since the 1980 election that government should do something to advance their interests.

    I’m thinking I’ll keep the program simple. “The same Rights and Protections for All People. Corporations are not People.”

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