Trump refuses to pledge peaceful transfer of power if he loses

As of today 206,593 Americans have died as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, and the President of the United States, in spite of this, is still mocking those public health experts who are trying to slow the spread of the disease. Amazingly, however, this is not the most alarming news of the day. This afternoon, Donald Trump, when asked by Playboy’s Brian Karem if he would commit to a “peaceful transferal of power after the election,” again refused to promise that he would accept the will of the American people. Instead, he responded, “We’re going to have to see what happens.” Here’s the video.

This would be absolutely, fucking terrifying on its own — as we’ve never had a situation in this country where a presidential candidate has suggested that he may not accept the results of an election — but, as it happens, Donald Trump said this on the same day that The Atlantic went public with a story about how members of his administration were “laying the groundwork for postelection maneuvers that would circumvent the results of the vote count in battleground states.” Here’s an excerpt.

And, here, for those of you who aren’t already in a panic, is a little more.

…A lot of people, including Joe Biden, the Democratic Party nominee, have mis­conceived the nature of the threat. They frame it as a concern, unthinkable for presidents past, that Trump might refuse to vacate the Oval Office if he loses. They generally conclude, as Biden has, that in that event the proper authorities “will escort him from the White House with great dispatch.”

The worst case, however, is not that Trump rejects the election outcome. The worst case is that he uses his power to prevent a decisive outcome against him. If Trump sheds all restraint, and if his Republican allies play the parts he assigns them, he could obstruct the emergence of a legally unambiguous victory for Biden in the Electoral College and then in Congress. He could prevent the formation of consensus about whether there is any outcome at all. He could seize on that un­certainty to hold on to power.

Trump’s state and national legal teams are already laying the groundwork for postelection maneuvers that would circumvent the results of the vote count in battleground states. Ambiguities in the Constitution and logic bombs in the Electoral Count Act make it possible to extend the dispute all the way to Inauguration Day, which would bring the nation to a precipice. The Twentieth Amendment is crystal clear that the president’s term in office “shall end” at noon on January 20, but two men could show up to be sworn in. One of them would arrive with all the tools and power of the presidency already in hand…

I cannot express to you how dangerous this is. We are literally being put on a path toward civil war. Please, if you haven’t already, make sure that every person you know has a plan to cut a ballot against Donald Trump in the upcoming election. The only way we will avoid a crisis at this point is if we defeat Donald Trump decisively on Election Day, and he decides that it is in his best interest to step down, so that Pence can pardon him prior to Joe’s Biden’s inauguration. That, as I see it, is our only hope at this point. If the results in swing states are even remotely close, Donald Trump, having set the stage for years by lying about “rigged elections” and “voter fraud”, will seek to stay in power, bringing this ambitious democratic experiment of ours to an abrupt end. This could not be more fucking serious. Please do whatever you can to get the word out, and help the Biden-Harris campaign.

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  1. John Brown
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Well, duh. His absolute absence of respect for anything beyond his childlike ego made this situation a near certainty. But we have had 4 years to prepare for it, right?

  2. Jean Henry
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    “having set the stage for years by lying about “rigged elections” and “voter fraud,” — Anyone remember the Sanders campaign in 2016???

    Populism is a dangerous strategy. Maybe… maybe now people will start realizing when they are being manipulated even when the candidate says everything they want to hear. But probably not.

    Any candidate who says everything his followers want to hear should be even more strictly scrutinized. He’s likely a fraud.

    We are in trouble and my hope is waning, but I’m not letting up. What I won’t spend my energy doing anymore is engaging Trump supporters. We need to GOTV. That’s the winning strategy and MI is a swing state. And I finally have learned not to trust the polls.

    See? People do wake up.

  3. wobblie
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    It might be a good time for people to start studying things like the 1986 People Power Revolution in the Philippines. Non-violent defense of the right to vote, and have your vote counted got rid of one tin horn dictator, those same type of tactics could drive this wanabe and his sycophantic death cult from power.

  4. EOS
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    If the election is conducted fairly, Trump will win, and no one needs to be concerned over any transition of power.

    Why did HRC tell Biden not to concede the election no matter what and why does no one seem concerned about what that implies?

  5. Posted September 24, 2020 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    I am only focusing on GOTV right now. I will decide the next steps after the election.

    My thought though is that liberal America tends to have more wealth and income than more conservative areas. If Trump loses the election and uses shenanigans to stay in power, citizens can organize things like work strikes and mass protests.

    I was listening to a podcast recently about the effectiveness of protest and I think my challenge is going to be containing my rage because peaceful protests are more effective than violent ones. I am going to buy this book

  6. Posted September 24, 2020 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    EOS, that is probably why Republicans are closing so many urban polling places. To make things fair? Give me a break. The cheating is already happening!

    Early voting starts today in Michigan! Spread the word!

  7. EOS
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 9:00 am | Permalink


    What urban polling places are not controlled by Democrats? Stick to the truth – it would be a refreshing change.

  8. Posted September 24, 2020 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    EoS, elections tend to be controlled by states. So in Georgia you see the closing of polling places in black counties but not so much in white counties. In Kentucky they have also closed polling places due to COVID and they did it in a way to ensure that in black areas there are fewer polling places.

    EOS, I do stick to the truth. Too bad you can’t say the same!

  9. wobblie
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    it is things like this which necessitate stealing the election.

    I also saw yesterday that DeVoss is under investigation for shady financial dealings in her department. I suspect the corruption is so endemic now, that they have no way out.
    I love EOS’s logic. The election will be fair if Trump wins.
    The only campaign promises I have heard the Leader make is that he is going to eliminate funding for Social Security and get rid of the Affordable Care Act. I suspect he will eliminate Medicade and Medicare pretty quickly too. These make sense when you realize 1) We are in a depression, they have no way out–2)they have turned us into a plague state that more and more of the world will be barring us from. 3)It has taken nearly 3 trillion dollars to prop up stock prices for just six months.
    The elite know these things. They know there will be continuing civil unrest, probably growing much worse next winter when the real evections and movement of capital begins. We are hemmed in internationally by the China-Russia-soon to be EU axis that will no longer allow the US to engage in cost free aggression. The cost of these useless wars have to be paid–the Saudi’s will want their money.
    Since most privileged people are stupid having had things given to them without having to engage in critical thinking, they will agree to the simple solution that Trump offers. For , example, if Trump wins the election is fair.

  10. wobblie
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    For those who havn’t figured it out, war with Iran is the Saudi payment. War with Iran also dovetails nicely with US/Israeli policy. I figure we are running a better than one in two chances of the war being an October “surprise”. Pompus Pompey just announced sanctions against any country that does not support US sanctions (remember our policy in the WOT is “you are either with us or against us”.)
    For the first time in nearly a year we have an aircraft carrier battle group in the Persian Gulf. I expect either a US provocation of such magnitude that Iran must respond militarily, or more likely a false flag attack on this carrier group (a la Tonkin Gulf) justifying our attacking Iran. After all there is bi-partisan support for war with Iran, if I was Trump it is now or never.

  11. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    War with Iran in the midst of the biggest outbreak of peace in the Middle East in memory. Mkay.

  12. wobblie
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Sounds about right HW. All the Sunni autocracies are now lined up in the Saudi/Israeli/US combination against Iran. We have just imposed new sanctions and are threatening everyone who does not join us with sanctions. Usually just before wars begin the powers all get lined up in there coalitions. Hitler struck his deal with Stalin before launching his war. The Japanese lined up Hitler attacking Stalin before they began there war against the US.
    The other historic reality. Countries who’s power and authority are waning are most dangerous. Hitler launched his war in 1939 because France and Briton were starting to re-arm, and by 1941 would have achieved superior equipment to the Germans. The Japanese launched there war because our economic sanctions would have crippled them within another year.
    Our country has probably not been weaker since the route in Vietnam. Our military is spread all over the world frequently in totally indefensible positions. Russia has put us on notice that they will soon have numerous weapons to which we have no defense. China has put us on notice that the world will be a multi-polar world with more than one route to development. The EU is trying to decide if it is worth the price of staying with the US. It is looking more and more that only our vassel state the UK will stay in our economic zone. Even Canada is unsure about reopening our borders.
    And yet if you believe the exceptional propaganda, we are still the paramount power in the world. These different perception of reality are coming to a show down as assuredly as the one we face domestically. To not think the power players will not attempt to manipulate this is foolish.

  13. Posted September 24, 2020 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    You got to give it to Russia though. Their intervention in the 2016 election was MUCH cheaper than a war and while they could not have predicted it, their influence is one reason that Trump is in power and why we have had so many deaths due to COVID. If you were to assign a $ figure to each death, I think it would come out that Russia’s actions were highly efficient!

    The USA still has the largest and most powerful military in the world but the world has changed and that military will not protect us from modern tactics. I know we include things like hacking in our defense plans but alas, not election interference. Or at least not enough.

  14. wobblie
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Another reason they may choose war. I found this site had some very useful information and ideas. The best way to victory is always through divide and conquer. People need to make up their minds now. Will war or the threat of war simply be another way for Trump to stay in power, and will you enable it.

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    “Their intervention in the 2016 election”

    What a cheap and cheesy thought pattern. That claim is now proven to be trash. Documents prove they knew there was no evidence of a Russian hack for one thing. HRC is the one who paid for nonsense from Russians to frame the President. You don’t care though. It feels strong to believe what you always have no matter what happens.

  16. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    You have been wrong as shit about DJT and rampant military actions such as what all those deep state presidents did, wob. All you fools who said Trump is going to blow up the planet need to eat everything you said. Trump for Peace.

  17. Susan Collins by proxy
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    “One of the foundations of our democracy is a peaceful transition of power between administrations. That has been true throughout our history, and this year will be no different. The winner of the presidential election will be sworn in on January 20th.”

  18. Anonymous
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    FBI Director Wray: The FBI has “not seen, historically, any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether it’s by mail or otherwise.”

  19. Bob
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Jean idiotically manages to blame the dangers of populism once again. Try blaming HRC, the DNC and tone-deaf, one issue obsessives like yourself Jean. You are as much to blame for us having Trump as anyone. Only Clinton cultists didn’t see it coming.

  20. Wobblie
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    HW that explains why he just sent 100 more Americans into the Syrian trip wire—you dont have a clue being a yes man- no independent thinking allowed.

    The Choose Democracy website does have some helpful hints about preparing for Nov 4 and beyond.

  21. Wobblie
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    HW you might still be proven wrong

    JUST IN: A federal judge has *denied* AG Barr’s effort to dismiss Andrew McCABE’s lawsuit alleging he was fired as an act of political retaliation.

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Posted September 24, 2020 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    FBI Director Wray: The FBI has “not seen, historically, any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether it’s by mail or otherwise.”

    A federal investigation into irregularities with mail-in ballots at the Luzerne County Bureau of Elections has turned up discarded ballots that were cast for President Donald Trump, U.S. Attorney David J. Freed said Thursday.

    In a prepared statement issued by his office, Freed said FBI agents and Pennsylvania State Police who began investigating “potential issues” with a small number of ballots earlier this week determined a small number of military ballots for the November general election had been discarded.

    “Investigators have recovered nine ballots at this time,” Freed said. “Some of those ballots can be attributed to specific voters and some cannot.”

    Prosecutors initially said all nine ballots had been case for Trump. In a revised statement issued later Thursday, prosecutors said that of the nine ballots that were discarded, seven had been cast for Trump.

    The other two had been resealed inside their “appropriate envelopes” by elections bureau staff prior to the FBI arriving on scene and the contents of those ballots are unknown, prosecutors said.

  23. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Damn, that was quick.

  24. Posted September 24, 2020 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    HW, please go bananas on election night, to the degree where you’ll have to be put down by animal control.

  25. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    ‘Cause you know you are about to lose.

  26. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Total TDS meltdown with instant karma

  27. Posted September 24, 2020 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    You’re an idiot, HW. You understand about as much about politics as your emotionally stunted master does. It will be funny to watch you go bananas when reality hits you.

  28. Posted September 24, 2020 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Blame Hillary for what? Being a powerful woman who is threatening to weak men?

    Jean is right about Sanders. He is a populist. I got swept up in it in 2016 myself and voted for Sanders in the primary. It was only later when I took a much closer look at Clinton that I realized I had been wrong about her. She really was the best candidate. I didn’t make that mistake again in 2020 but alas, my candidate did not make the cut. I am not going to blame those who voted for Biden though if he loses. That would be stupid.

  29. Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Hey HW. Tell us again how there aren’t really 200,000+ deaths from COVID-19 in the US. I need you to convince EOS, so we Can get him about and about.

  30. Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    We need to get EOS out and about. He can’t live his life in fear. Liberate EOS!

  31. Herman Cain
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Where’d FF go?

    Did you hear Dr. Redfield say about 10% of the US population has been infected with the virus?

    So, what does that tell us?

  32. Herman Cain
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    The threat is exaggerated.

  33. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Why should I try to convince anyone of factual knowledge? Anyone can judge for their self if the tests are valid now that they know about the significance of the Cycle Threshold. It seems like when you have no answer to what I say it is you who gets a sudden case of rabies.

  34. Herman Cain
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    I have the answer, but have decided it’s not my responsibility to explain everything to you. Somebody else is going to have to waste their time trying to help you understand things. Maybe one of your juggalo pals will do it. FF? EOS?

  35. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Herman’s dead. So he can’t explain it to you.

  36. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    It does seem like EOS or FF should do it. Or maybe they don’t want you to get upset. They just want your vote. They don’t give a shit about what’s wrong with you, or helping you understand anything. They certainly don’t want to fix you.

  37. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Have you noticed the surges in cases recently, and in which states they’re occurring.

    Maybe FF has and that’s why he’s disappeared.

  38. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    I don’t want you to change your mind, HW. I want you to change EOS’s mind. Liberate EOS!

  39. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like you want to stir the shit which is what losers who haven’t gotten one thing right do.

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:41 pm | Permalink


    PCR tests that they keep cycling till a trace of virus is detected even though is it not possible to isolate the virus in such a sample.

    You see how this is going? I have shown that your (the) number of ‘cases’ relies on over-cycling viral RNA to get a positive result even though the disease can never manifest in the patient. You have no argument. You are just like “you crazy manh…you crazy…”

  41. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    I’ve taken time to explain a number of simple and obvious things to you. But it was clearly a waste of time. There is something broken in your brain. You’ll have to ask your juggalo pals to fix you. I’m sure they won’t bother to try though. They don’t care how crazy or stupid you are, as long as you vote the way they do.

  42. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    EOS, I hope you’re reading HW’s comments and come around to his way of thinking. We need you liberated!

  43. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Maybe EOS can help me get your brilliant realizations out to the all the health departments of the world. They all have it all wrong. They need your brilliant expertise.

  44. Herman Cain
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Surges in “cases” have always been followed by surges in “hospitalizations” and then surges in “deaths.”

    All exaggerated.

    I should know.

    I’m dead.

  45. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    “I’ve taken time to explain a number of simple and obvious things to you.”

    You haven’t said one thing about what a 40x cycle threshold represents. All you have been doing is chimping out about what you think I am.

    According to Mandavilli, many coronavirus tests have fairly high cycle thresholds, with most set at 40 and some set at 37. That means a number of patients who aren’t carrying much of the new coronavirus are still testing positive, even though they may not be contagious, Mandavilli reports.

    Mina explained that tests with high cycle thresholds could be detecting genetic fragments of the virus, or pieces of the virus that are leftover from a previous infection that don’t pose any current transmission risk.

    Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California-Riverside, said she believes any test with a cycle threshold over 35 is too sensitive. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said.

    And according to Mandavilli, a review conducted by the New York Times of three sets of coronavirus testing data from Massachusetts, Nevada, and New York found that up to 90% of patients in those data sets who tested positive for the coronavirus had very low viral loads.

    Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, said of the Times review’s results, “I’m really shocked that it could be that high—the proportion of people with high [cycle threshold] value results.” He added, “Boy, does it really change the way we need to be thinking about testing.”

  46. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,”

  47. Herman Cain
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    I explained obvious things before you got on this topic. I don’t want you to stop repeating this stuff. I am in favor of you doing it. I want you to convince EOS.

    You need to take this genius of yours and share it with the experts of the world. Set all these epidemiologists straight. Every public health department in the world is lacking your insight. We need to change that.

  48. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    How far off are the numbers, HW?

    What’s the US death toll up to in your universe?

  49. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    I feel so bad for the heads of the public health departments all over the world who lack your insight, HW.

  50. EOS
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    HW doesn’t need to explain. I understand the point he is making about PCR testing and agree with him. 40 cycles on a PCR machine are sufficient to amplify a sample that has only a few viral particles. You will not get sick if you are exposed to only a small number of viral particles. You need to be exposed to an “infectious dose”. This number differs depending on the organism. Not sure if they know yet what the infectious dose is for COVID. But 40 rounds of amplification on a thermal cycle can detect a quantity that is too small to infect an individual with an intact immune system.

    But you all say you believe in science except none of you seem to understand much. Have Wobblie ask his wife to explain it all to you.

  51. Wobblie
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    I agree with HW gar fewer than 10% of the population has become infected. The fatality rate is much higher than they want us to believe. They are padding the number of infected to minimize the number of deaths. Probably much much fewer than 10 % infection rate. What with an actual infection rate closer to 3 to 5% the 250000 excess deaths are much more in perspective. Thankyou HW for helping us understand just how dangerous the trumpvirus is. Thankyou HW for persisting in your attempts to demonstrate the true danger of the trumpvirus

  52. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    It’s not difficult to understand EOS. I wanted HW to convince you there haven’t been 200,000+ deaths in the US. We need to liberate you.

  53. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    HW doesn’t believe 200,000+ people have died of COVID-19 in the US. He believes it’s some fraction of that which has actually died. I want him to convince you of that, so you can have your freedom back.

  54. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Where did FF go, by the way? I hope reality didn’t hit him. He doesn’t deserve that.

  55. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    What HW keeps saying about PCR testing isn’t hard to understand. I’d assume everyone here understands it.

    But for some mysterious reason, HW won’t share his estimate as to what the actual death total is for the US. Do you have any ideas why he wouldn’t, EOS? The answer to that is also pretty obvious.

  56. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    By the way, EOS, did you hear Dr. Redfield said only about 10% of the US population has had the virus?

    What does that tell you? Can you think of anything that might suggest?

  57. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    From Newsweek:

    More Than 90 Percent of Americans Still Susceptible to Coronavirus, CDC Director Warns

  58. iRobert
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    What does that say for your chances, EOS?

  59. EOS
    Posted September 24, 2020 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    They are padding both the number of persons infected and the number of deaths. It was reported recently that a 2 month old died of COVID. That baby was born with his intestines outside the body. The intestines were nicked when they put them back inside the body which led to septicemia. But the coroner listed COVID as a cause of death. I think they could test just about anything in a hospital and with 40 cycles of PCR they could detect COVID.

    I’m not hiding in the bunker anymore.

  60. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    That’s the spirit.

  61. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 5:52 am | Permalink

    Have you seen all the padding they’ve been doing in South America?

  62. EOS
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 6:27 am | Permalink

    99.997% of all persons infected with COVID survive.

  63. Wobblie
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    EOS I think you should share the source for your above assertion. Frequently your sources turn out to be total rubbish. All those health care workers are in on the conspiracy. Pad those numbers. Do you think they are doubling the deaths? What are you going to argue caused all the other excess deaths? I mean are the nurses and orderlies killing patents?
    The good news is, you can now quarantine for one day in Nassua on your way to the family islands and then do the remaining 13 days of quarantine at your final destination. Time to use those American Airline vouchers. I figure my odds are better with hurricanes than with the death cult.

  64. Posted September 25, 2020 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Things are always better at the beach.

    I am still doing a lot of social distancing and mostly staying at home. I do occasionally meet up with a friend for some sort of socially distant and masked activity. Writing postcards is the political activity I like because I don’t have to leave the house or come into contact with anyone!

  65. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    EOS: “99.997% of all persons infected with COVID survive.”

    Your math skills are incredible, EOS. Share your work, so the rest of us may benefit.

  66. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    EOS, you are saying out of every 100,000 people that get COVID-19, only 3 die. I see your math and observation skills are as good as ever.

  67. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    But I don’t want to change your mind, and actually I’d like you to convince as many other juggalos of it as possible. You folks shouldn’t be living in fear.

  68. Jean Henry
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    I’m curious how it is that EOS ‘knows’ Trump will win if the election is not corrupted. How could anyone be certain of an outcome in a race this close? Or are they just setting up the narrative and accompanying specious logic that would justify denying the legitimacy of a Biden win.

    I don’t see any Dems who claim to know the outcome. What special insight do you have EOS? Or are you just a bullshitter?

  69. EOS
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    The number I posted was for persons under 19. Still if you’re younger than seventy you are likely to do OK.

    Age group 0 to 19 have a 99.997% chance of survival if they contract COVID-19, the age group of 20 to 49 a 99.98% chance, 50 to 69 years old 99.5% and 70 years old and above a 94.6% chance

  70. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    EOS can’t even do simple math, Jean.

    Did you see EOS just said of every 100,000 people who get the virus, only 3 die?

    That’s a mind-numbingly stupid assertion. Not that I don’t want him to keep believing it.

  71. EOS
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Clinton was a much stronger candidate than Biden, yet she lost. Trump was a political newcomer then with no track record, and now we have almost 4 years of a very effective administration. Biden is not even campaigning, can’t speak extemporaneously and can’t even read a Teleprompter effectively.

    He will be a disaster in the debates. If he leans toward the center, the radical wing won’t bother to vote. If he endorses socialism and mob violence, the rational wing will vote for Trump.

    The rank and file in the FBI were so concerned about the actions of former Obama administration officials they took out professional insurance to help protect them from prosecution. That speaks volumes.

    His son will soon be indicted and the Clinton Foundation has serious legal troubles as well. The only favorable information about Biden is that the MSM polls show him leading. Go ahead – keep believing.

  72. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    You can’t even do elementary level math, EOS. What makes you think you understand anything more complex than that?

  73. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Do you have big MAGA flags on your rascal?

  74. EOS
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    My link to recent CDC statistics is awaiting moderation.

  75. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    You live in a much better America, EOS, where only 990 people have died from COVID-19. Things are quite different in the universe where the rest of us are living.

  76. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Where has your caretaker gone? Have you been abandoned by them?

  77. EOS
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Don’t have a rascal but wish I had a Burgman. I want a scooter for highway driving.

    Caretaker? Ha. I’ll think about one when if I ever need to resort to personal attacks rather than discussing issues.

  78. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Things aren’t looking so good for the Teumpanzees. Maybe they could add another big flag or two to their pickup trucks. That should help. Do the math.

  79. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Let’s discuss your 99.997% statistic.

  80. EOS
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    It pertains to persons under 19, not everyone. I misspoke earlier.

    It is 99.98 for persons 20 – 49. And 99.5 for persons 50 -69.

  81. EOS
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    The new CDC revisions include estimates of the 30% of COVID victims who have no symptoms at all.

  82. EOS
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    If you are 70 or older Robert, your chances are 94.6

  83. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    I’m glad I’m not. I’m also glad I have no pre-existing conditions that would make me one of the vulnerable.

    I do feel bad for those hundreds of thousands who had their lives cut short, and the many hundreds of thousands who yet will.

  84. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    I knew someone personally who was in the 20-49 age range who died from the virus.

    I lost an elderly relative to the virus as well. He was in his 80s, but was a vibrant, active man for his age.

    I’ve wondered if anyone else here have had any relatives or friends die of the virus. Nobody other than Mark has mentioned anyone.

  85. EOS
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    I feel bad too. Quarantine the sick, isolate the vulnerable. And let all other individuals live free and make their own decisions about their daily lives.

  86. iRobert
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    I’d like to see a chain of euthanasia clinics open up like those in Soylent Green too. People should have a choice.

  87. Jean Henry
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    EOS expresses certainty about many unknowable things. It must be handy to be a person of faith.

    One point, there is no legal way to call a fetus a person and abortion murder and not prosecute both Doctors for performing them and women for having them. If an embryo is in fact a person, then abortion is murder. Common behaviors like drinking and using drugs During pregnancy would also be criminal neglect. What about jobs that require lifting heavy objects while pregnant or even potentially pregnant? These were actual gender discrimination cases in the past. The argument was state’s interest in future children. Calling an embryo a person leaves almost zero room for protection of female autonomy or equity. We would be second class citizens Like before Roe. If the embryo matters as much as the woman then the woman as the potential or actual life support vessel for embryos becomes a tool of the state, not fully human, at least while fertile.

    When EOS said only Doctors would be prosecuted and then only fined, that’s not legally possible. But the irreconcilable beliefs never bothered EOS much. Because… logic.

    The thing is we have legal precedent from a time when the right to just privacy for women was not established. The only possibility in declaring a fetus a person is that the law would be more strictly wielded and interpreted.

  88. Jean Henry
    Posted September 25, 2020 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    In anti-abortion El Salvador, woman faces second homicide trial after stillborn birth via nbcnews –

  89. Posted September 25, 2020 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    A message for EOS

    They Aren’t Nobodies

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