Donald Trump refers to Americans who died in war as “losers” and “suckers”

It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone, as we all heard Donald Trump say “I like people who weren’t captured” about former prisoner of war John McCain in 2015, but The Atlantic is reporting today that the President’s disdain for men and women in uniform goes far deeper. Here’s how the article, written by Jeffrey Goldberg, begins.

Former marine and Associated Press investigative reporter James LaPorta, when he first read the Atlantic article, didn’t believe it. He didn’t think it was conceivable that a President of the United States would call the more than 1,800 marines who died fighting the Nazis a Belleau Wood “suckers” for getting killed. LaPorta, however, as you can see here, then reached out to his sources and confirmed the story in its entirety. Donald Trump, he determined, had indeed cancelled a planned trip to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018 citing the fact that the dead U.S. marines buried their were “suckers” for fighting the Nazis and getting killed. [As you’ll recall, Donald Trump made up an injury to avoid service during the Vietnam War.]

For what it’s worth, Donald Trump, while refusing to attend the memorial at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery, did find the energy to show up for an event the next day to greet Russian dictator Vladimir Putin. Here’s a photo from that event.

Trump, defending himself from these charges earlier today, said that he respected the military, and never disparaged John McCain’s service. “I never called John McCain a loser,” he said. Here, however, is Donald Trump in 2015, himself retweeting an article entitled, “Donald Trump: John McCain is ‘A Loser'”.

Thankfully, it seems as some people are taking this seriously. Here, for instance, is retired Major General Paul Eaton announcing that he will be voting for Joe Biden come November. And it would appear as though he won’t be alone. According to recent polling, Trump’s support among active duty military seems to be slipping. According to a poll just conducted by the Military Times, 49.9% of the 1,018 active duty troops they surveyed in July and August had an unfavorable opinion of Donald Trump, compared with just 38% who had a favorable opinion.

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  1. John Brown
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 3:13 am | Permalink

    It’s super clear who the actual losers and suckers are. Que the ruskie stooge enablers….

    But on execution day all will cheer, nobody will admit to having supported him.

  2. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 5:40 am | Permalink

    Dear John Brown,

    We are deeply sorry for your loss.May you find comfort in knowing you are not alone, you are surrounded by those who care for you.Please remember that we love and care about you and will be here for you always.
    It was truly a pleasure to have gotten to know your brother in arms. He will be missed dearly.We hope this note finds you surrounded by love and compassion. May time help you heal and bring you peace.The loss of a loved one is never easy, but know we are with you through your grief. We are thankful to be a part of your life and hope we can offer comfort and strength during your time of need.We hold you close in our thoughts and hope you know you can lean on us for whatever you may need.Sending you lots of love and comfort, we are so sorry for your loss.

  3. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    SOME PEOPLE SAY the military indu$trial complex prefers Biden.

  4. Anonymous
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    It should have been enough in 1989, when Donald Trump called for the execution of the Central Park Five. It should have been enough in 2015, when Donald Trump said that McCain was “not a war hero.” It should have been enough in 2016, when Donald Trump said that he grabbed women “by the pussy” without their consent. We’ve always known who this man is. He’s told us repeatedly.

  5. Eel
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    The Daily Show compilation of Fox News reporting in response to President Obama saluting with a coffee cup in his hand.

  6. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    4 persons on the record have already rebutted your anonymously sourced fake news.

  7. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 8:26 am | Permalink

  8. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    What ever happens be sure you control the information that the troops have. Trump orders Stars and Stripes to. cease publication by end of month

  9. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Your ability to diminish the President quite weakened by lies you have told in the past. This one will have no effect.

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    has been/is quite weakened

  11. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Stars and Stripes has been in continues publication since the first civil war. They did that poll the other day that showed only a third or so of active duty troops support Trump

  12. Jim Monsoon
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    EOS – the epoch times is pure propaganda with zero credibility. Meanwhile the AP and Washington Post have confirmed the Atlantic reporting.
    And beyond that it’s consistent with his public comments about John McCain and gold star families and so on.
    But does it even matter to you? If he stood at a podium and said these things would it shake your faith in him?

  13. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Considering the magnitude of the Russian collusion lie I would think you and your outlets would be chastened by that failure to destroy our President. Nope. It’s on to the next lie.

  14. Jean Henry
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    It’s the nature of confirmation bias that, presented with information contradicting the preferred narrative, people will dig deeper into their belief system rather than reconsider their position.

    So HW is right but not for the reason stated.

    The only way to defeat Trump is to GOTV. Especially in tight states like Michigan. There are more of us, but there were 3 million more of us in 2016 and he still won.

    Anyone looking for ways to do more than just vote (Not enough) can call their county Democratic Party Or local Biden campaign office or look here.

    Yes many of these things entail risk. Not more risk than 4 more years of Trump.

  15. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    McCain was a RINO. Worked against conservatives at every opportunity. He was a conduit for the dossier, remember? Gang of eight traitor. Not my hero.

  16. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 9:51 am | Permalink


    Did anyone cite a source?

  17. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Just a quick fact check the American Marines who died at Belleau Woods did not die fighting Nazis. Rather they died defending France from good old fashion imperialism in 1918. Not really much difference between imperialism and fascism. Some would say fascism is always the face of imperialism it is just not always obvious in the homeland.

  18. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    I’m sure it sounds like propaganda to anyone who feeds on MSM and it’s fake news biases.

  19. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Apples and oranges. Any poll shows a majority of persons hold an unfavorable view of both Biden and Trump. Yet we will still vote for one of the two. It’s not as if we have another viable choice.

  20. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    It’s fascinating that the great critic of logic so often employs the logical form of syllogism without any concern for truth.

    People who have a strong impulse for confirmation bias dig their heels in; HW digs his heels in; therefore HW is a person who has a strong impulse for confirmation bias.

    A proper order would be to first prove that HW was wrong about Russian collusion and then from there you can speculate about the psychological reasons which account for his error. Good fucking luck with that Jean!

    To the extent that Jean does not trust logic she should distrust herself. Because she so often misuses it. It’s her instinct to misuse logic as far as I can tell.

    But what do I know? My parents did not meet at Harvard.

  21. Jean Henry
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    FF–The proper order would not be to first or in anyway address HW’s unrelated straw man argument meant to divert from the one at hand. Again you all abuse the logical chain of argument requirement by extending the chain endlessly into the past and asking us to disprove something unrelated.

    Your logic is flawed. Most logic is.

  22. BrianB
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Only trust small conservative media with limited resources because all MSM are united behind the same liberal agenda and use their unlimited resources to cover up the truth for political reasons. A small group of fanatics spending all their time on the internet, citing each other as resources have outwitted professional journalists in newsrooms across the globe working in concert against their profession’s stated purpose because they don’t like Trump. Sure, that makes perfect sense.

  23. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 10:47 am | Permalink


    All MSM sources are owned by corporations headed by only 6 individuals who all just happen to be CFR members.

  24. BrianB
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    FF is like a hypochondriac at the doctors office on these comment threads, “How can you know Dr? I know better than you how my own body works. I don’t believe those test results. Can you prove to me that I’m not sick? Other people have died from this sickness and you didn’t cure them.” Is there a word for illogical people who are obsessed with logic? I mean besides just batshit crazy?

  25. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 10:55 am | Permalink

  26. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Digging heels in /vs/ taking pause

    If you realize you are wrong a lot then you should take pause. Especially given the unconfirmed nature of this report. People with severe cases of confirmation bias do not take pause even when they are proven wrong a lot.

    You might consider that the reason HW is digging his heals in is, to use your phrase, is because NORMAL PEOPLE dig their heels in when they know they have been correct a lot… HW has been correct that MSM is willing to lie wherever it might benefit the Dems and hurt Trump. Your failure to notice that is not our problem. Newsflash: the mueller report and Horowitz report was not a huge win for you.

    God bless you though

  27. BrianB
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    EOS , so you think those 6 individuals have effectively turned their collective 10’s of thousands of employees against the core teachings of their college-level education to seek out the truth? They all agree to tell the same lies just to keep their jobs? It’s mind-boggling that they can keep this conspiracy hidden, but I suppose you also think that everyone in the MSM is a child rapist with dirt on them, so I shouldn’t be surprised.

  28. Kyle Griffin by proxy
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    NYT: People familiar say Trump has long scorned those who served in Vietnam as being too dumb to have gotten out of it, as he did through a diagnosis of bone spurs. At other times, Trump would marvel at people choosing military service over making money.

  29. BrianB
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Trump was impeached over the Mueller Report. How is that a victory to you dimwits? How does it prove that he hasn’t and isn’t doing hundreds of other illegal and unethical things beyond those reports?

  30. BrianB
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    I’m sorry to have engaged with the trolls. To get back on topic, it probably can’t be proven that Trump said that our military dead are losers and suckers, but it sure as hell sounds like something he would’ve said, and if you’re planning to vote for him, you should probably think again about why you still trust him as commander in chief in charge of defending our democracy against those who wish to destroy it.

  31. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    I must have forgotten that the findings of the mueller report were central to the articles of impeachment. LOL.

    Failure to show guilt in one case does not prove someone is not guilty of something else—obviously. That’s why I have always said pick the thing that Trump did that is most like a high crime or misdemeanor and use it as the basis of your impeachment. Do it!!!

  32. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Weakest impeachment of all time by severe TDS dem representatives. You think because they did it that it proves something in reality? Weird.

  33. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    “Trump was impeached over the Mueller Report. How is that a victory to you dimwits? How does it prove that he hasn’t and isn’t doing hundreds of other illegal and unethical things beyond those reports?”

    Funny you would say dimwits because what you just wrote is one of the stupider things I will read today I am sure. They used Mueller’s leftover dingleberries to try smearing the President. Did they not? Mueller tried but couldn’t find anything criminal in his ten possible cases of obstruction.

  34. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 11:53 am | Permalink


    Why would you think liberal indoctrination is against the core teachings of American Universities? Those with degrees have endured the propaganda for a longer duration and have parroted their professors beliefs for a grade. Employees are coerced into the lockstep as long as they are dependent on their paycheck.

    90% of active duty military will vote for Trump. He is withdrawing soldiers from senseless engagements. He is restoring budgets slashed by Obama. This recent lie is so blatantly false it’s laughable. That your side resorts to such blatant lies is indicative of a lost cause.

  35. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    There are good journalists.They just rarely get hired for the big jobs. Or they get hired and fired when they say something truthful about a war or something like that…Most in MSM are hired because they are dumb or activists for the preferred cause being pushed. The good journalists are not winning pulitzers.

    Basically what Maynard does is he parrots what a bunch of idiots say who have good JOBS. Having a good job in journalism does not mean you are a good journalist.

  36. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Don’t let HW gaslight you. I don’t care what anybody says. You are right. The basis for impeachment was the Mueller Report. People who think otherwise are reading the wrong things. They are reading things like the articles of impeachment and Mueller Report. Fuck that propaganda. We have Lemon, Maddow, Todd and Stelter. We have an army of truthful and hip Ruppar’s. We even have the NYT for when we are are fancy….

  37. Kyle Griffin
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Joe Biden on QAnon supporters: “I’ve been a big supporter of mental health. I’d recommend people who believe it should take advantage of it while it still exists under the Affordable Care Act.”

  38. Nobody
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    FF / EOS –

    Help me understand why Secretary of Defense Mark Esper is gutting the military publication Stars and Stripes. Is that publication part of the MSM that you keep disparaging?

  39. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    “Employees are coerced into the lockstep as long as they are dependent on their paycheck.”
    Thankyo so very much for finally repudiating that “quit if you dont like it” argument that you and other death cult members roll out for meat packers, teachers and others who are being forced to work regardless of the covid consequences.

  40. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    The closing of Stars and Stripes is clearly a matter of National Defense. We cant have the troops expressing their lack of support of the Commander in Chief.
    That could be tantamount to insubordination or mutiny.

  41. Nobody
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Be careful with the sarcasm, Wobblie. It muddies the water.

    I did see an article about Alexei Navalny’s poisoning on their site. No condemnation from Trump about that incident, or the buzzing of US convoys in Syria by Russians recently, or the Russian bounties for the killing of US soldiers in Afghanistan…..

  42. Nobody
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    …..but Putin is a winner in Trumplandia.

  43. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 1:01 pm | Permalink


    I don’t know. My understanding is it was in the works for awhile. I do not read Stars and Stripes…Maybe I should start? There were articles about defunding it 8 months ago so this is not exactly new. I suspect there are some very serious games going on regarding the military and the elections. November is going to get fucking weird! I am very worried about it. The Military Times has been odd for awhile—although it is something I barely look at once a month…I hope EOS is right about there not being an anti-Trump sentiment. There was the recent poll which suggests otherwise…

    I will make a general statement: I don’t think the military industrial complex likes Trump. They have a shit ton of power.

  44. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Everyone knows I am a Putin Puppet. But he has failed to send me any directions for this election. I think about the time I heard the Company was giving JB benefits and I said something about my lack of compensation the cheap bastard Putin cut me off. Or maybe it was the abysmal failure of his favorite Tulsi that soured him on US elections.

  45. Nobody
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    FF –

    Your statement that the “Military Industrial Complex” thinks and acts as one entity sounds sloppy. If we look at the enlisted and commissioned that are components of this “complex”, are they in it for the power? Or are they in it out of a sense of honor and duty to country?

    Perhaps you are really referring to another 6 or so fellas that are pulling the levers somewhere at undisclosed locations, plotting ways to sell more weapons to anyone willing to buy? If that is the case, I’d think they would be thrilled with Trump helping with contracts to sell billions worth to the Saudis.

    This storyline about Stars and Stripes is new to me. I don’t recall ever reading the magazine. The initiation of this 8 months ago falls within recent events and Trump’s supervision. They say the magazine has been around since the civil war. It’s budget is small relative to the Pentagon’s budget, so what gives?

  46. Nobody
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    EOS –

    Do you care to weigh in on this? In your opinion, is Stars and Stripes part of the MSM propaganda machine? Is it corrupting our troops?

  47. Nobody
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    …. or is it just redundant because it is aping the MSM, so why not save 15 million.

  48. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    I saw yesterday where China published some satellite photos of Russias one aircraft carrier. Evidently it is turning into a rusting hulk with the flight deck collapsing. Maritime experts cant imagine that it is possible to ever make it seaworthy. Those worthless Russian plutocrats stripping the country of natural resources, ruining its navy and defense infrastructure AND not offering a loyal puppet so much as a thank you.

  49. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    I just heard through the puppet line I need to shut up, evidently Uncle Vlad is trying to unload the Admiral off on Xing and the pictures are some body’s idea to scuttle the sale.

  50. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    I read Stars and Stripes in the 70s. It was nothing but a few pages of daily propaganda. I raced my Buddy to finish the crossword each day. It was of little value even for soldiers who were overseas before the age of the Internet. I can’t imagine anyone who has Internet access would bother to read it today.

    I don’t know anything about why Trump wants to shut it down now. Can’t imagine that anyone would miss it. I thought it was written by enlisted soldiers who wrote what their officers told them. Maybe some AP stories. I don’t know what it costs to publish but am sure the military can find better use for the money.

  51. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 2:49 pm | Permalink


    It is sloppy. I am speaking from mostly ignorance on this topic. I admit that. I have never read Stars and Stripes. I would like to start. There probably would be ways for me to test to see if it is a full of shit news source.

    Using the broad term MIC is sloppy too. Part of the reason I vote for one person or another hinges on whether or not I think they will cause more or less war. I agreed with Tulsi’s exaggerated claim that Hillary is the Queen of war mongers. Trump has show restraint. There were a couple of times I felt like Dems were trying to make him look soft if he was unwilling to use his military more. Strange times. In general, I think Trump wants to be less interventionist and that is a good thing, imo. These things are hard to know….Yet we still need to cast a vote….

    I am still trying to figure out why the Dems want 2 people destined to be puppets….For what purpose?

  52. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    I dont know if spreading that bit of (mis ?) information will be enough to get me back in Vlads good graces. Perhaps if I could explain the significance of the socialist Green 3rd party in Alaska (3 electoral votes, 45000 Trump margin) replacing their socialist Howie Hawkins on the ballot with Independent Jessie Ventura.
    Could Jessie win Alaska? Could he cause an otherwise solid red state to come into play? Any ideas?

  53. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Generally though I didn’t mean to say all the MIC interests are all aligned. Like everyone is not sitting around a table planning stuff. There are overlapping interests with many shared and unshared variables that, taken on the whole, added up and balanced against eachother, effectively favor one candidate or the other. Trump is unpredictable. Biden seems like a puppet. Large industries that manufacture want stability…

    Sloppy as hell. But that is what I think.

    The thing that I worry about is the military and the elections….I am very worried. It seems like there is a disconnect between what I believe about the military and their views on Trump (see EOS’ opinion) and what is being reported their views are. I noticed this months ago through lightly and sparingly reading Military Times. I am speaking at the level of feeling and intuition mostly because I don’t know enough and it is complex.

    Things are being set up so that the results are going to perceived as illegitimate either way. Scary scary stuff.

  54. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 3:02 pm | Permalink


    Not sure anybody understands what you have been writing about lately. Are you OK?

  55. Hyborian Pudlord
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 3:10 pm | Permalink


    Fighting sand traps at Mar-a-lago
    Uncle Sam called but he could not go
    Deadly bone-spurs kept him on his rump
    That cowardly shit named Donald trump

    Orange comb-over on his head
    These fucking loser marines are dead
    But millions still support this useless stump
    This pussy-grabbing turd named Donald Trump

    Declines to go and honor a dead vet
    His helicopter is broke
    His hair could get wet
    He calls them sucker, zero and chump
    That diaper wearing douchebag named Donald Trump

    He honors Putin
    Because he’s been bought
    John McCain’s no hero
    Because he got caught
    He’s worse than Stormy
    “That was an expensive hump”
    Make sure you vote twice for Donald J. Trump

    At home an illegal immigrant wife waits
    Her security guard lover is who she dates
    When asked why she kicked Donald from the nest
    Melania just say “guard be best”

    Put your mail-in ballot in a secure box
    Remember who to blame for the Covid pox
    Biden ain’t perfect but it’s time to dump
    The American traitor named Donald Trump

    Warlord’s despondent cuz he knows Trump is fucked
    His wife’s banging black dudes
    He’s a bitch-ass fuck
    His meatloaf is cold
    His sock can’t get a pump
    End of the road for his Donny Trump

  56. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    I have read exactly 1 article from Stars and Stripes. This is it:


  57. Nobody
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    HA! Well there you go. On to the next distraction….

  58. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Headline: “Donald Trump refers to Americans who died in war as “losers” and “suckers””

    Could someone, who is a skilled writer, offer a headline that is perhaps more responsibly written?

    Who? Anonymous Sources
    What? Accuse
    What? Trump calling dead military losers and suckers
    When? 2 years ago
    Where? in France
    Why? 1) Because people like to smear Trump; or 2) because Trump hates dead military personnel who died fighting.

    Maybe a fact free smear? Maybe?

  59. Nobody
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Some people are saying it would have some teeth to it if the sources were not anonymous.

    If the sources came forward, would you give the claims any credence FF? EOS? The individuals would likely risk some sort of exclusion for breaking the cone of silence, or worse these days… doxing and harassment, character assassination, acts of violence against them from agitated people…..

  60. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    EOS still wonder what you thought of the Leaders dictate stripping small landlords and owner occupied rentals of their legal rights. They are a pretty politically powerless group (kinda like meat packers).
    There are some of these folks who will loose everything because of Trumps actions, particularly if they have tenants who utilized the CARE Act eviction moratorium already.

  61. Nobody
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Did Trump call McCain a loser? Yes… in the context of a comment McCain made regarding Trump’s supporters at a rally being crazy.

    Did he suggest that he was not a war hero? Yes, immediately after the first comment… implying that the label of loser applied to him in a greater context than just the election… that he was a loser also as a US soldier “for getting caught”.

  62. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Here is something for the “paranoid” among us to consider
    This report from the Transition Integrity Project on “Preventing a Disrupted Presidential Election and Transition“
    Will soon be used by Trump et al to make “baseless” accusations.

    The DHS has reported that spreading this info is part of the Russian interference campaign.

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

  64. Wobblie
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    The project had this to say over a month ago,

    In addition, the exercises suggest that there is a significant possibility of simultaneous street mobilizations by both Trump and Biden supporters, in which case the possibility for violence will increase significantly, and the actions of law enforcement will become critical. Of note here: TIP’s scenario exercise suggest that President Trump and his more fervent supporters have every incentive to try to turn peaceful pro- Biden (or anti-Trump) protests violent in order to generate evidence that a Democratic victory is tanta- mount to “mob rule.” In the recent past, President Trump has on numerous occasions called on “Second Amendment people” to defend their rights and has called on his supporters to “liberate” states with re- strictive COVID-19-related rules. Trump can rely on surrogates to embed operatives inside protests to en- courage violent action, and he can mobilize a range of law enforcement actors (including National Guard troops, whether federalized or under the control of GOP governors) who might, without proper training or if led by politicized actors, escalate matters. In some scenarios examined by TIP, Team Trump succeeded in invoking the Insurrection Act and sending active duty military troops into US cities to “restore order,” “protect” voting places, or confiscate “fraudulent” ballots.

  65. Bob
    Posted September 4, 2020 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Even Fox news is confirming the story. Me thinks this one finally sticks to teflon Don. He’s toasted himself.

  66. Wobblie
    Posted September 5, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    We lost a pretty original thinker this past week.

  67. Wobblie
    Posted September 5, 2020 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Antifa Navy denies culpability in attack on Lake Travis, claims carnage caused by friendly fire

  68. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    Pants on FIRE

  69. Bob
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Good ol’ Scumlord. Defelct attention from the (literal) boat on fire with some random nonsense. Straight from the Trump playbook. This story is sticking like your underwear after three days in them. He will not be the first impeached President to get reelected. What happens when he loses and refuses to leave the White House? Will you finally snap and start shooting and looting in the streets with your Qderps?

  70. Bob
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Damn! I’m typing worse than JH! Deflection, dontcha know. You should just go kill yourself now. Save us all a lot of time.

  71. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Your unnamed sources’ story sucks major dong. Every time you post it further degrades everything you stand for. Just by being yourself you are a detriment to your party.

  72. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    How do you think you can beat Trump when everyone can now see you are communist pigs who are actively trying to destroy the USA?

  73. Wobblie
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    “Communist pigs who are actively trying to destroy the USA”

    Joe Biden (?). The Democrats (?).

    Thanks for that enlightening revaluation.

  74. Wobblie
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 3:04 pm | Permalink


  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Pfft. Obviously he and they are owned by China. I never added the final installment of the latest round of Q posts and the KICKER that puts it all in context. Remember how it began: “How is blackmail used?”

    Sep 2 2020 11:55:11 (EST)
    Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
    Democratic donor and billionaire, Jeffrey Epstein, ran an underage child sex brothel and was convicted of soliciting underage girls for prostitution.
    Democratic New York Congressman, Anthony Weiner, plead guilty to transferring obscene material to a minor as part of a plea agreement for sexted and sending Twitter DMs to underage girls as young as 15.
    Democratic donor, activist, and Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein is being criminally prosecuted and civilly sued for years of sexual abuse (that was well known “secret” in Hollywood) including underage sexual activities with aspiring female actresses.
    Democratic activist and #metoo proponent, Asia Argento, settled a lawsuit for sexual harassment stemming from sexual activities with an underage actor.
    Democratic Mayor of Racine, Wisconsin, Gary Becker, was convicted of attempted child seduction, child pornography, and other child sex crimes.
    Democratic Seattle Mayor Ed Murray resigned after multiple accusations of child sexual abuse were levied against him including by family members.
    Democratic activist and aid to NYC Mayor De Blasio, Jacob Schwartz was arrested on possession of 3,000+ child pornographic images.
    Democratic activist and actor, Russell Simmons, was sued based on an allegation of sexual assault where he coerced an underage model for sex.
    Democratic Governor of Oregon, Neil Goldschmidt, after being caught by a newspaper, publicly admitted to having a past sexual relationship with a 13-year-old girl after the statute of limitations on the rape charges had expired.
    Democratic Illinois Congressman, Mel Reynolds resigned from Congress after he was convicted of statutory rape of a 16-year-old campaign volunteer.
    Democratic New York Congressman, Fred Richmond, was arrested in Washington D.C. for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy.
    Democratic activist, donor, and director, Roman Polanski, fled the country after pleading guilty to statutory rape of a 13-year-old girl. Democrats and Hollywood actors still defend him to this day, including, Whoopi Goldberg, Martin Scorcese, Woody Allen, David Lynch, Wim Wenders, Pedro Almodovar, Tilda Swinton and Monica Bellucci.
    Democratic State Senator from Alaska, George Jacko, was found guilty of sexual harassment of an underage legislative page.
    Democratic State Representative candidate for Colorado, Andrew Myers, was convicted for possession of child pornography and enticing children.
    Democratic Illinois Congressman, Gus Savage was investigated by the Democrat-controlled House Committee on Ethics for attempting to rape an underage female Peace Corps volunteer in Zaire. The Committee concluded that while the events did occur his apology was sufficient and took no further action.
    Democratic activist, donor, and spokesperson for Subway, Jared Fogle, was convicted of distribution and receipt of child pornography and traveling to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor.
    Democratic State Department official, Carl Carey, under Hillary Clinton’s state department, was arrested on ten counts of child porn possession.
    Democratic Maine Assistant Attorney General, James Cameron, was sentenced to just over 15 years in federal prison for seven counts of child porn possession, receipt and transmission.
    Democratic State Department official, Daniel Rosen, under Hillary Clinton’s state department, was arrested and charged with allegedly soliciting sex from a minor over the internet.
    Democratic State Department official, James Cafferty, pleaded guilty to one count of transportation of child pornography.
    Democratic radio host, Bernie Ward, plead guilty to one count of sending child pornography over the Internet.Democratic deputy attorney general from California, Raymond Liddy, was arrested for possession of child pornography.

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Now for the kicker:

    Sep 2 2020 11:57:19 (EST)
    Why did it take a political outsider to [finally] confront China?

  77. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    OMG 19 Russians indicted for screwing with the 2016 election in swing state North Carolina!!!

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Holy fucking shit this is good

  79. Wobblie
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    In my attempt to escape the insanity of our plague state managed by a death cult, I fired up the old (60+) hallicrafter S 40B tonight. Have not turned the juice on to it for at least 15 years. The glow of the tubes was soothing in itself. I remembered it could take a while for the machine to warm up. Reception is always better once the sun sets anyway, so waiting was no big deal.
    I wondered as I waited would I find Radio Havana, Bejing, Sydney, Mumbai? I knew there would be plenty of holly rollers, and once I began tuning in I was not disappointed. I learned to watch out for Jesuit communist sndGlobalization is the work of satan. Ultimately I found The Bejing. Radio Hour-an English language broadcast. I learned who won the US Open tennis championship, some Grand Prix, the scores, winning pitchers and game highlights of Chinese Major League Baseball. The Bejing Film Festival begins this week. This first film festival since the covid outbreak.
    Found Radio Havana, maybe instructions will be forthcoming.

  80. Wobblie
    Posted September 6, 2020 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    First Canadian tourist have arrived since on the island. The first since March. I dont think I can enter Canada without a 14 day quarantine.

  81. John Brown
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Support the GEO at Umich as they vote to strike on Labor Day. Somebody has to lead to protect the community, thankfully for the labor movement gets it!

  82. iRobert
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    EOS beat you and Q to that story by about a week. But true to form, EOS chose to protect the Republican pedophiles. Thank you for not following suit.

    Those of us who’ve been tuned in all of our adult lives have been well aware of these monsters and have watched this growing list that entire time.

    The list is a many decades long accumulation, though the come-lately reposters don’t share dates to make it seem like a news alert. It makes me ask, “Where have you all been?”

    So it isn’t quite the earthshaking breaking news the dipshits who just crawled out from under their rocks would like to believe it to be. Many, many dedicated law-enforcement and child-protection advocates have been fighting this war for a very long time. They’ve been doing all the work, not just seeking some sort of political advantage from it. They’re the heroes.

    It is however very true that skeletons provide a very valuable leash for “special” interests in controlling their favorite officeholders. It’s a very common phenomenon about which the general public has only had a very limited awareness or understanding.

  83. Posted September 7, 2020 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    iRobert, come on! Men like HW and Bob know darn well that THEY don’t have child rapists as friends even though a full quarter of women have been molested before they turn 18. I guess HW thinks that this is because there are men who rape hundreds of girls but actually it turns out that most child molesters know their victims well. Usually, it is a father, grandfather, uncle, stepfather, or other relatives. It isn’t Democrats who are the problem. It is MEN who are the problem. Or mostly. I guess in the interest of fairness, I will say that 4% of child molesters are women. Naturally, Bob will think it feminist extremism for a woman to point out that 96% of child rapists are men. I wonder what the percentage is of men who are sexist assholes who minimize child rape? 100% of Bobs and HWs fall into that category. They are garbage who effectively condone child rape through denial.

  84. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Since we’re sharing statistics that disrupt common narratives:

    I’ve shared the source for this data before but it seems to make no dent in the rhetoric. It doesn’t;t even momentarily shut them up.

    I will say I’m mad as hell at the dumbs white snowboarder, new to revolutionary politics or any politics ,it seems for fucking shooting the Trump supporter. His solo action ended a 40+ year murder-free track record of leftist protests (by the protestors anyway). He probably handed Trump the election by single handedly validating the false narrative the campaign has been peddling about leftist violence. Idiot. Maybe he’s a hero to John Brown.

  85. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know what the number is but we almost all know a child molestor or rapist, imo. Everybody probably knows several, imo. However, I disagree with Lynne’s impulse to assign the blame almost entirely on men because: 1) I suspect the estimated 4% adult women molestors is very very off because adolescent boys/ girls, will tend to not report being victimized by women as often due to cultural reasons although the impact might be something they carry around for their lifetime; 2) I also think the victimizing of boys by adult men is also underreported for cultural reasons—that is I think there is cultural pressure for boys to stay silent or be in denial about it in a way that is not there for girls.

    I am not sure if I am expressing myself clearly. I just think there is a huge danger when someone like Lynne misplaces almost all the blame almost entirely on men. I actually think her overly simplified narrative could actually be detrimental toward breaking the raped/ raper cycle. Lynne’s overly simplified narrative is in my opinion just another example of unhelpful sexism from her. Sorry Lynne.

  86. Wobblie
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I dont have a clue what the statistics are, but almost all males are reared by woman. Almost all males spend the first decade of their lives almost exclusively under the control of mothers and teachers.
    I would not blame a whole gender for creating sexist, mysoginistic rapist. I might think our culture might have some serious issues, which relying on scapegoats and shaming are unlikely to be effective in changing that culture reality.

  87. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    You never answered what percentage of men you think do it. I think it stands to reason that most sex offenders don’t stop at one victim so to assume a 1 to 1 ratio of victims and perps or anything close to that doesn’t add up. Therefore to claim that you can guarantee that everyone is friends with a pedo perp is incredibly stupid.

    They are around. Some of them are people you would never suspect. Many are people who hold office, sit on boards, etc…

  88. Sad
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Men Suck

    I can vouch for that

    Do you want to wrestle HW?

  89. Posted September 7, 2020 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know the average number of victims of sex offenders but I know that it is often limited to the members of a single household. Sure there are some like those priests or boy scout leaders or Epstein who had hundreds but I suspect it is more likely to be one or two in most cases. Yet if even 10% of men account for that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys who are molested, a conservative guess mind you, odds are that you have a man in your social network who has molested children.

  90. Posted September 7, 2020 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie, yes it is a cultural issue. I have seen mothers absolutely defend their rapist sons. Although women hardly ever sexually molest children, regardless of what FF thinks, women absolutely get on board with rape culture.

  91. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Older women prey on post pubescent minor boys a lot, Lynne. It’s extremely common, imo. I think it is probably the least worrisome category of abuse—I will give you that, but I think you are underestimating how often statutory rape occurs in that category.

  92. Sad
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    FF will rescue all the teenage boys.

    He will take them under his wing.

    Sandman and Rittenhouse are just the beginning.

  93. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    FF– The CDC keeps records of self-reported sexual abuse. That’s the basis of Lynne’s statistics. What’s yours?

    It may be the case that men are less likely to report their abuse on surveys (many believe that’s the case) but my guess is they’d be even less likely to report abuse by men than women. Of course you and I are both speculating here, while Lynne is employing statistics derived from comprehensive and scientifically designed and vetted studies. .

  94. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2020 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Why you believe sexual abuse by women is less disturbing… well one must wonder.

  95. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 8, 2020 at 5:07 am | Permalink


    I know you are trying to be funny but given the seriousness of this topic I think it is a lousy of you to try to make a joke. It is true I think statutory rape is wrong. I also think it is lousy for adults to make up lies about children in an attempt to advance their political agenda.

  96. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 8, 2020 at 5:24 am | Permalink


    I thought I was making it clear that I *BELIEVE* statutory rape of young men by adult females is way underreported. Thus, in making that claim, I am also implying that I *BELIEVE* the stats are not a reflection of reality. I think there are reasons that category of statutory rape is underreported…In expressing that belief I am not trying to diminish or make light of the trauma or confusion that might enter the life of young person who was statutory raped by an older female predator. Jesus! Fuck off. I am saying the opposite. I think our culture downplays that category. I think that is a problem….I agree that men do the most raping and molesting….I just think the whole thing is a cycle that needs to be broken and I take the whole thing very seriously.

  97. Wobblie
    Posted September 8, 2020 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    Going through life with a mutated deformed X chromosome is hard, particularly for young bachelors (14 or so up mid 20’s or so). All cultures wrestle ( there you go Sad, life is just one big grappler event) with how to manage the testosterone poisoning that accompanies maturation.
    Testosterone Has a powerful effect. Perhaps if we inculcated positive attributes, like respect, love and understanding from the start society might have better outcomes.
    When you have a society that defines success as an individual contact sport, rather than a collective endeavor this is the outcome we create. After all the maternal instinct is perhaps the strongest of all. Mothers teach their children the attributes their society rewards the highest—look at our President.

  98. Wobblie
    Posted September 8, 2020 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    You all know Im pretty slow, not the dullest knife in the drawer, but.
    We have probably not evolved much in the last 10,000 years—that is not much time in the grand scheme of things.
    Our earliest stories all revolve around “conspiracies”. In the old days, before we knew better we explained what we now know are stochastic events, as the manipulations and conspiracies of the gods.
    Human conspiracies exist, we know this, many many of us been involved in one kind of conspiracies or another After all planning a surprise party for a loved one frequently involves subterfuge and dissembling the truth.
    HW is simply relying upon are old pantheon of tools to help explain his reality. EOS does the same without the 20th century flourishes.
    We have much to learn from the past, it is a shame I did not learn to read Sumerian, there are 10 of thousands of clay tablets to translate yet—real job security for the handful of folks who know the language.

    The earliest Discovered urban center in Syria is much different than those that came later. It seems as if several thousand of us lived together as one huge family. When excavating the gravesites (which was in the same corner of every habitat) multiple mitochondrial DNA lines are discovered among the remains. It seems as if everyone considered children to be everyones child—Hillary (who still has a sharp edge to her blade) was onto something with that “It takes a village” thing.

  99. Posted September 8, 2020 at 3:20 pm | Permalink


  100. Jean Henry
    Posted September 8, 2020 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    I think [abuse of boys by adult women] is probably the least worrisome category of abuse—I will give you that.” — FF

    What did I get wrong when I said, ‘ Why you believe sexual abuse by women is less disturbing… well one must wonder.’

  101. Posted September 8, 2020 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    From The Hill:

    Justice Department moves to assist Trump in E. Jean Carroll lawsuit

  102. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 8, 2020 at 8:29 pm | Permalink


    It would be better if you more specific. This is a serious topic of conversation. “Well one must wonder” is such a vague and juvenile thing to say given the subject matter.

    There are different legal categories of rape that bring with them different sentencing guidelines. Our legal system seems different categories as more and less deserving of harsh penalties but all categories of rape are all horrible—obviously. I said post pubescent boy/ adult female statutory rape is probably the least horrible but I still think it is horrible. Do you think molesting prepubescent children is less horrible or something? Exactly the same amount of horrible? WTF is your point other than trying to pretend I think there is a class of rape that is not horrible. Fuck off dipshit.

    The entire point of me talking about that specific class of rape is I think it is very prevalent but overlooked and that is a bad thing for the victims and for our society. Seriously. What is your point? All you are doing is demonstrating (again) that you are mean spirited bullshitter with no logic….Why would you try to twist my words here given the seriousness of the topic? It is indicative of something about you that you would rather score a point then to have an honest exchange about something that has victimized so many. What is that something? WELL ONE MUST WONDER…

  103. Wobblie
    Posted September 10, 2020 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Were they coming to arrest Reinoehi or kill him. Eye witnesses tell one story, was LE wearing body cams? Audio recording devices? Inquiring minds want to know.

  104. Wobblie
    Posted September 10, 2020 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Witness credibility is always an issue

    “ Dingess, an ordained minister of 19 years, fears for his and his family’s safety for speaking out in what has become a flashpoint in the political swirl around Portland’s ongoing protests, according to his lawyers.”

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