I told myself that I wasn’t going to post about the RNC, but then this happened…

When word came out a few days ago that the Republican Party had decided to go into their convention without any platform, instead just pledging their complete and total fealty to Donald Trump, I knew that the RNC was going to be weird. This feeling was further compounded upon reading that half of the speakers on the lineup were to be Trump family member. I had no idea just how strange, however, it was going to get.

For the most part, it would seem the Republican Party no longer a real political party. It’s just an extension of Donal Trump’s twisted ego. It stands for nothing but extending the rein of the Trump family by any means necessary. And, what we saw tonight, was how far they were willing to go in service of that goal. It was full-on race baiting, fear mongering and white grievance from start to finish. Here, to give you a taste, is Kimberly Guilfoyle screaming in an empty room about the dystopian hellscape that awaits us if Joe Biden is elected president. Ours, she tells us, will be a nation littered with heroin needles in which the citizens of America have been “enslaved.” “Don’t let the Democrats and their socialist comrades take you for granted,” Guilfoyle yelled with raised arms, as if summoning an army of the undead. “Don’t let them step on you. Don’t let them destroy your families, your lives and your future. Don’t let them suppress future generations, because they told you and brainwashed you and fed you lies that you weren’t good enough!”

By the way, if you’re ever in a group where you’re listening to someone talk like this, you should know that you’re in a cult.

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309 Comments

  1. Satan
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D97OxHZzBeQ

  2. Max
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Thank you, Satan! Perfect song for the times.

    “Take the only tree that’s left. And stuff it up the hole. In your culture” is a great line.

  3. Meta
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Washington Post:

    So, despite a pledge from his campaign that the Republican convention would offer a breath of optimism — and despite an email from the campaign in the middle of the first night describing the Democratic gathering as “the darkest, angriest, gloomiest convention in history” — speaker after speaker offered remarkably grim assessments of what might be, should Trump lose in November.

    “Don’t let the Democrats and their socialist comrades take you for granted,” Trump campaign adviser Kimberly Guilfoyle shouted. “Don’t let them step on you. Don’t let them destroy your families, your lives and your future. Don’t let them suppress future generations, because they told you and brainwashed you and fed you lies that you weren’t good enough!”

    Democrats “will disarm you, empty the prisons, lock you in your home and invite MS-13 to live next door,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said with a grin. “And the defunded police aren’t on their way.”

    The McCloskeys, a couple from St. Louis who earned national attention after confronting peaceful protesters with a rifle and a handgun, warned that Democrats wanted to destroy American suburbs.

    “Forced rezoning would bring crime, lawlessness and low-quality apartments into thriving suburban neighborhoods,” they said, presumably speaking from their large mansion.

    Read more:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/25/day-one-republican-convention-showed-that-trumps-takeover-gop-isnt-yet-complete/

  4. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Maynard sees a cult leader to be avoided. I see a strong woman of color. Interesting…..

  5. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Did I do that the right way Cassandra?

  6. Anonymous
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    I’d ask Mrs. FF first.

  7. Wobblie
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Typical death cult hypocrisy —do as I say not as I do

    https://news.yahoo.com/pompeo-shattering-precedent-sparking-fury-140405992.html

  8. EOS
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    “It was full-on race baiting, fear mongering and white grievance from start to finish.”

    What convention were you watching? I saw a brown woman speak, whose Dad wore a turban and whose Mother wore a sari, who talked about how this country gave her the opportunity to be elected governor of her state and appointed ambassador to the UN.

    I saw a black man whose grandfather left school after 3rd grade to pick cotton, but who was the first black man elected to both Congress and Senate from his state.

    I saw other persons of color highly respected for their abilities. I saw a Hispanic man from Cuba who loves this country and the opportunities it provides. In a tearful voice he pleaded not to let the Dems change us into a Socialist nation.

    I saw POC voicing their support for their local police and suggesting that the Democratic politicians who wanted to defund their police should have their own private security forces replaced by social workers.

    And on the other channels I saw buildings on fire, mobs in the street, and police with their hands tied by Democratic politicians who wouldn’t allow them to put an end to the “peaceful protests”.

    I saw a number of persons who expressed great appreciation for this country and its heritage and who wanted to forge ahead and continue to make it better.

    And I realized that MSM and the dark forces won’t prevail in this upcoming election. That millions of prayers will bring out the Christian vote in unprecedented numbers. A coalition of law abiding citizens, of mothers who want security, of Blacks who have succeeded and prove that systemic racism is a myth that can’t keep them down, and of young persons who dream of a brighter future, will all work together to help elect Trump and keep America great.

  9. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Can’t blame ColuMbo though. Rupar, Maddow, and Reid did not talk about that stuff.

  10. Eel
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    “Maynard sees a cult leader to be avoided. I see a strong woman of color.”

    I am fairly certain that Maynard’s analogy would have Trump being the cult leader, and her being a grifter looking to cash in.

  11. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    It does not surprise me that someone like Eel would see a strong woman of color and immediately think of her as a “grifter”.

    (How was that one Cassandra?)

  12. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Maybe Maynard are Eel just feel uncomfortable around strong women of color? Right Cassandra?

  13. Nobody
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Heather Cox Richardson’s post yesterday mentions something that I find deeply disturbing.

    – Jerry Falwell Jr. had an arrangement with his pool boy to have sex with his wife while he watched. ( not to the disturbing part yet. )

    – Apparently there were photos to prove this. ( still not there )

    – Michael Cohen, back in 2015, helped make the story go away… and saw the photos. ( still not there )

    – A year later, Jerry Falwell Jr. endorses Trump and helps him win over the evangelical vote. ( arrived )

    Does that not look like Trump blackmailed a key evangelical leader to get his endorsement?

    EOS – What is your take on this? I listen to conservative radio and have a few conservative / religious sites in my news rotation, and I can clearly see that THE issue that may make or break this election is “religious freedom”. It is being talked about constantly how much Trump has gone to the mat for them. The WSJ had an article about this yesterday. Joe Biden is gonna get hammered by Trump on this, and I am concerned he is going to falter. But is this current defender of your “religious freedoms” really worth the price of overlooking his clearly flawed character… to put it gently? How can anyone who is concerned about being able to act according to their faith and conscience act in favor of this man by supporting him? Are your acts of conscience informed by preservation of personal comfort? Are the hard decisions deferred as a result? Do you really need the mediating institutions of religious establishments if you are going to rely on the state to preserve your “acts of conscience” that stay in the domain of the comfortable? Or do you believe that self rule is primary, is supported ( historically ) by mediating institutions, requires tough and uncomfortable personal decisions to act “according to one’s conscience”?

    From which direction does Just governance flow? From the individual up? Or from the State down?

    https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/august-24-2020

  14. Posted August 25, 2020 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    The hardest thing for me was watching a strong woman of color (albeit with a history of whitewashing her heritage), whom I used to respect, succumb to the cult thinking. There was a time when I thought Nikki Haley could run for president and I would vote for her even though her values are more conservative than mine. I used to think of her as a decent person with some integrity. No longer.

  15. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Falwell endorses Trump in January 2016. (Still not there.)

    In January 2016, Trump was by far the Republican front runner. (Still not there.)

    The GOP front runner got the Evangelical leadership endorsement. (Still not there.)

    The GOP nominee got the Evangelical vote. (Still not there.)

    Conspiracy theorists speculate that the GOP nominee received the evangical vote as an indirect result of blackmail. (Arrived.)

    (The evangelicals tend to vote for the GOP nominee. )

  16. Nobody
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    ….or act on their faith and conscience….not vote because neither candidate is acceptable.

  17. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Cassandra will withdraw her support from POC and the children of immigrants who have not learned to hate America. Who do they think they are? Coming to our country with their positive opinions about our country and passing it on to their children!? Go back to India if you don’t hate it here….And take your whitewashed daughter with you….

    (How was that one Cassandra.)

  18. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    I have been saying for 2 years: Give us somebody good! You guys gave us Biden and Kamala. Empty vessels. Half dead. In terms of conscience—nobody home.

  19. EOS
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    I’ve never once in my life voted according to what any religious leader told me. All men sin. Falwell, Trump, and Biden are all morally flawed persons who have no hope of eternal life except through the mercy and grace of Jesus Christ. You could argue that there are degrees of sinful behavior, but it makes no difference. If you break any law, even once, you are condemned, unless you accept Jesus Christ as atonement for your sins.

    Religious freedom is a human right. The free exercise of religion is an inalienable right given to us by God. Governments do not grant us rights, but are formed to help protect our rights.

    The Christian faith is not about adhering to any set of rules given to us by a man made institution, or by following any religious leader other than Jesus Christ. It is a personal relationship with our Lord and Savior. It is an indwelling of the Holy Spirit that guides us. Just government flows from God, into the hearts of men who work for the betterment of all and not for personal gain. We have never experienced just government in this sin-riddled world.

    There are significant differences between the two major parties that impact the spread of the Gospel and the freedom to live according to Biblical principals. Democrats have been working to redefine the free exercise of religion into a “freedom to worship”. They want to confine religious activity within the walls of a temple, church, mosque, etc. Some on this blog have written that persons cannot advocate for laws that are consistent with Christian morals because of a fabricated “separation of church and state” that is not contained within our Constitution. Yet the foundation of our laws and our form of government is Biblical.

    The majority of Christians will vote for the platform that most closely follows the moral teachings of the Bible. Dems are pro-abortion, Reps are pro-life. Dems are pro-homosexual, Reps are for marriage between a man and a woman. Dems support crime and criminals, Reps are for law and order. Dems segregate people into identity groups, Reps see all people as children of God. Dems went to the Supreme Court twice to try to force Catholic nuns to pay for abortion, Rep groups defended them successfully twice. Dems want private businesses to support/endorse sinful behaviors, Reps support the right to live by Biblical values. Dems are intolerant of anyone who does not voice support for deviant sexual behaviors, communist organizations, etc. Dems perceive POC as unable to achieve without their benevolence, Reps acknowledge POC as unique and capable individuals. Dems want to enslave people to handouts, Reps want to give people a hand up so that they can freely choose their path. Dems support the person(s) who they think will give them the most benefits, Reps support the ideas that will most benefit society.

    Someone wrote earlier on this blog that Biden is getting a lot of evangelical support. I don’t see it happening.

  20. EOS
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Dems promise to give you free stuff in the hopes that they can buy your vote. Reps want to reduce your tax burden and other government constraints so that you can obtain the stuff of your own choosing.

  21. Wobblie
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    The Faceless Fascist making up friendly facts to justify his support for the Leader. The anti-Americans are the death cult who find the preventable deaths of what is hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens acceptable. The anti-americans are the fake christians who will distort their traditions so that can support a godless narcissistic con man for the money he has funneled to people like Farwell.

    Given the believes That EOS professes to believe, I can not trust he will ever say a truthful statement. He maintains he has no fear of consequences for the sins he commits. Like his Leader he will fearlessly commit evil.

  22. Nobody
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for laying this all out, EOS. Catholics make a distinction between venial and mortal sins, so for them it does make a difference…not sure how that works though.

    I don’t know what compels you to keep coming to this site, but your point of view that you share is a valuable proxy for the thinking of people outside my bubble… so thanks for that.

    I have other questions for you, but not the time to ask them. I’ll bookmark the page and return when I have more time.

  23. Nobody
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    I do want to point out the total cluster we have gotten ourselves into regarding absolutes ( Truth, Goodness, Beauty ) vs a relativistic approach. Trump certainly has shown himself to be a relativist- moral and otherwise, but no one supporting him seems to mind as long as he gives them what they want. The same goes for the left though. They have loosened themselves from the mooring of absolutes and are now getting a taste of their own medicine from Trump. You can’t accept Equality as an absolute, and then turn around and say absolutes don’t exist.

    The Greeks made a distinction between what is true by nature and what is true by convention. It is a distinction that is just as important today as it was 2300 years ago. We accept truths of convention to protect ourselves from the Truths of Nature…one being that the “strong” would be left unchecked to do whatever the hell they want.

  24. Bob
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    The alleged deep-state mastermind Q has been outed, allegedly. A guy named Jim Watkins. He looks exactly like the big fat, greasy, mutton-chopped white turd you imagined he was. Check it out. What a dumpster. He looks like the guy raising hell over his Groupon at Buffalo Wild Wings.

  25. EOS
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Nobody,

    https://www.gotquestions.org/sins-equal.html

    Evangelicals don’t believe all sins are equal either. But the penalty for any sin is the same – separation from God. If one does not repent and accept the atoning sacrifice, Jesus Christ, Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world – then the separation is eternal.

    It is impossible to stand before a righteous God and claim that you deserve redemption based on your works. It is only the covering of Jesus Christ that makes you appear righteous before God. He provides the sacrifice, and you accept the free gift.

  26. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Brilliant and true speech. She could stay up there all night as far as I’m concerned. I’m sure many many dems are finding it difficult to not think of her in desirous confusion.

  27. Wobblie
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Hey Faceless Fascist your bro’s in Charlottesville did accomplish some good on there way to prison.

    law

    By DENISE LAVOIE
    ASSOCIATED PRESS | AUG 24, 2020 AT 7:40 PM

    RICHMOND — A federal appeals court on Monday upheld the convictions of two members of a white supremacist group who admitted they punched and kicked counterdemonstrators during the 2017 “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, but found that part of an anti-riot law “treads too far upon constitutionally protected speech.”

    In its ruling, a three-judge panel of the Richmond-based 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals rejected a challenge to the constitutionality of the entire federal Anti-Riot Act on its face. But the court said the 1968 law violates the free speech clause of the First Amendment in some respects. The court invalidated parts of the law where it encompasses speech tending to “encourage” or “promote” a riot, as well as speech “urging” others to riot or involving mere advocacy of violence.

    The ruling came in an appeal by Benjamin Drake Daley of Redondo Beach, California, and Michael Paul Miselis of Lawndale, California, two members of the Rise Above Movement, a militant white supremacist group known for having members who train in mixed martial arts street-fighting techniques.

    Daley and Miselis pleaded guilty in 2019 to conspiracy to riot in connection with several 2017 rallies, including a torch-lit march at the University of Virginia and the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville; Virginia, and rallies in Huntington Beach and Berkeley, California

  28. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Disgusting display of gaslighting every day by wobblie

  29. Bob
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Hey Turdlord, looks like your personal Lord and savior is a failed pig farmer who now works for the Russians, disseminating lies as the the mysterious deep-state mastermind “Q.” You should probably go kill yourself in embarrassment. We’ll wait.

  30. Anonymous
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    https://mobile.twitter.com/cspanJeremy/status/1297919158680772608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1297919158680772608%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2F2020-presidential-election%2F2020%2F8%2F24%2F21399525%2Frnc-dnc-difference-one-tweet-roll-call

    Which vision of America is the reality?

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    You think Watkins is Q? Hahahahaha you moron. You don’t have any idea what Q is but you want to go psycho on me about it.

  32. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    “the mysterious deep-state mastermind “Q.”

    Jesus Christ. You can’t even comprehend what the term “deep state” means. Q is against the deep state, derpus. It’s shocking how ignorant and bellicose you are.

  33. Anonymous
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    “RNC Speaker Boosts QAnon Conspiracy Theory About Jewish Plot to Enslave the World”

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/rnc-speaker-boosts-qanon-conspiracy-theory-about-jewish-plot-to-enslave-the-world-1

  34. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Your inability to glean info from YouTube videos does not magically mean I am buddies with white supremacists. I am not buddies with white supremacists by the way. And you have proven, more than once, that you are incapable of gleaning info from YouTube videos—even when given a guided tour.

    Any updates on your buddy Vauhxx Booker? I wonder why his lone companion (Ian) apologized to the people accused of attempted lynching? I wonder why Ian did not make any public statements of support for Vauhxx whereas Steven Cox and Brennan Golightly did (but they were not witnesses of the whole thing) ?

    You have strong opinions but you have no rationale to back your opinions up—Because you are unusually slow.

    Sorry. Maybe you should reach out to Jussie Smollet? He might need someone in his life, like you, who is slow enough to be his buddy.

  35. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    How is talking about the Rothschild’s anti-semitic? Do you think that besmirches all the jews or something? Doesn’t make much sense from my perspective.

    Perhaps it is jewish supremacist to smear people who tell the truth about the Rothschild’s. It’s wild to think you promote their every desire and want to destroy those who shine a light on what they do.

  36. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Jussie is out of your league Wobblie? Maybe you should reach out to Nathan Phillips instead? I have a feeling Nathan is going to need someone slow enough to be his buddy— because Nick Sandmann has been chosen to speak at the RNC tonight—and we all need a friend.

  37. Wobblie
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    FF, HW and EOS dont worry. The plutocrats have decided they need the slaves to return to work. After Labor Day the trumpvirus will disappear from the news.
    Law and Order will be the story of the day and the Leader wins in a very close electoral college win and the loyal opposition under Biden coincides.
    Dont worry be happy. MAGA
    I hope the Bahamas opens there borders to Americans some day.

  38. Dirtgrain
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    https://i.imgur.com/2Jrz4DC_d.webp?maxwidth=728&fidelity=grand

  39. Wobblie
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Lynne who is so badly and evilly treated by her fellow tribalist on this site, Has demonstrated in a couple of tweets why Biden will loose. First she voter shames those on the left who vote third party and the underclass who sees no help from any politician for Trumps triumph. And then a few days later expounds on how she could have would have voted for that kripto fascist Hallie because she has two X chromosomes.
    please pray that the Bahamas starts letting us into their country.

  40. Wobblie
    Posted August 25, 2020 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Trump only needs to hold the states Republicans were projected to carry In 2016 and one of the three swing states he carried in 2016. The election is likely to hing on three states, Wis, Pa and Michigan. Expect more provocations like the murder in Kenosha to occur in those three states, most particularly in Wis Which will most likely be the state Trump holds.

  41. Posted August 25, 2020 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Yeah wobblie, I wouldn’t expect you to understand why representation in government matters. Yes, there was a time when I thought of Haley as a woman of integrity and some values I share such that I might have voted for her for President. Because it is important that we break that particular glass ceiling. I don’t at all expect someone like you to understand that. I don’t expect you to support women at all, not after you threw women under the bus in 2016. Come to think it of, how many Americans are dead of COVID so guys like you could virtue-signal with your vote?

    You know what too, Wobblie, if you choose to vote third party *again* you cannot blame me. I have no control over who you vote for. That is your choice. Do you want to know that you helped cause even more Covid deaths? That seems like something you might care about since you clearly don’t care about women losing the right to make medical decisions, or trans in the military, or brown kids in cages or any of the other outcomes any moron could have seen with a Trump presidency.

    I was wrong about Haley. Which for some reason FF thinks means that I no longer support any strong women of color or children of immigrants? Ok, whatever man. Why don’t you go have a beer with Wobblie so you can blame me for causing the Dems to lose elections by being a woman who is just too uppity? I mean men bond all the time over their sexist bullshit views of women, why should you two be any different?

  42. EOS
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Lynne,

    Persons of other the other sex and persons of other races can represent your interests. To vote for someone with a divergent belief system merely because of their sex is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard of. Vote for persons whose ideology is consistent with your beliefs. You accuse everybody of being sexist but are blind to your own sexism.

  43. John Brown
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    17 yr old Blue Lives Matter fan boy Kyle Rittenhouse from Antioch Illinois murders 2 last night in Kenosha after being received enthusiastically by local police despite open carrying an AR15 while underage. Expect more agent orange activated murders to turn up the riot propaganda to eleven going into the election. It seems like The Purge is going to be the GOPs October surprise.

    We all need to be like John Lewis in public people. They are so desperate to avoid a blood bath in the House and Senate that they are encouraging blood in the streets.

  44. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Faceless Fascist it looks like your bro in Kenosha was being pals with LE before heading out to kill some BLM protesters. It is amazing that our fellow citizens have video of him hanging out with the cops, but the cops cant seem to be able to track him down.

    Back to work slaves
    Expect more right wing violence. It is all the Magats have left.

  45. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    This fascist attack on peaceful protesters on Monday did not even make the news. This was in PA, no surprise.

    https://newsone.com/4002398/white-man-protesters-marching-milwaukee-to-d-c-video/

  46. Anonymous
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    FF, the problem with being unlikeable is that nobody really want to help you out. The problem with being older is that you’re going to need some help sooner rather than later. That generic young person protesting now that you dislike and disagree with so much is more likely to be the one that will be giving you that help. I really don’t see EOS or HW being in a position to contribute to your Medicare or Social Security. One is too old and the other unemployable.

  47. Sad
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    HW is making Hell-o-cash slinging weed down in the parklot dude.

    FF is so depressed he’ll probably kill himself eventually. I’m surprised he’s been able to live with himself this long.

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Oh yeah it’s right wing violence front and center every single night for months and months. That’s what’s going on in this country right now.

  49. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Vague Guy,

    Trust me. Print your words out and tape them to your bathroom mirror so you can read that shit every morning—in the hope that someday the meaning of your own words sink into your brain past your thick skull.

    For most of the “radical” youth this is a stage that is actively being enabled by mostly older people like the ones around here. Which are almost all older than I am for what it’s worth. You had better hope that the timing of your scams is on-time. Best case scenario you would become disabled in the next few years or so (and then die quickly after that). Otherwise, most of those youth you helped to radicalize indirectly; as they mostly will inevitably pass through this phase; are, a few years from now; going to resent the hell out of people exactly like you; who lacked the courage to speak up—a silence in service to a thinly veiled neoliberal agenda built on a mountain of lies and aimed toward evil.

    Your way might feel like the easy path to you now. But there is a strong chance, imo, it will, in the end, be a disaster to you personally. When a person abandons the Truth because they perceive it will be easier for them; they are insuring a world of shit will come down on them eventually. People thinkotherwise but people really don’t get away with even small lies, much less gigantic lies, done for bad reasons. And isn’t that the way it should be?

    You have misidentified THE PROBLEM in terms of practical steps which you perceive will maximize your own personal ease and comfort. But the problem is actually a problem which needs to be solved within the realm of the Spirit. My advice: Continue to avoid a spiritual orientation to the Truth at your own risk!

  50. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    What kind of life is it to feel the need to constantly disparage others in an ongoing attempt to just feel okay?

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    I don’t believe “boogaloos” are right wing. The guy with the paraplegic girlfriend that got shot posted boogaloo shit for example. There is a concerted effort by antifa to play patriot dress-up right now to try to make patriots look bad. They did it in Portland the other day and the footage has been featured over and over on the news.

  52. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    “I’m sure many many dems are finding it difficult to not think of her in desirous confusion”
    –HW

    Gross.

    PS no commentary here about Melania’s full on wife of a Totalitarian dictator garb? Accessorized nicely by a platformless RNC? We stand for nothing but fealty to the great leader. And yes Melania had things to say, some glaringly appropriate, but she is a former fashion model and her clothes are distinctly and intentionally styled to convey meaning. Her outfit for the speech was full Nazi uniform.The Donald seemed very pleased.

  53. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    I think the return of Sandmann is making them all feel triggered. They wanted to pretend they could try to destroy an innocent teenager, with lies, without ever suffering any consequences down the road. It doesn’t work like that. And when they are honest with themselves—they know it.

  54. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Jean,

    Full Nazi? It was military inspired, obviously. Intentional, obviously. She is announcing that we are at war, obviously. But what does that mean?

  55. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    I remember when Kimberley Guifoyle was the “hot chick with brains” future wife of San Francisco board of supervisor member (appointed by Willie Brown in what at the time was a confounding move) Gavin Newsom. We all thought that guy was a tool (of the Getty’s specifically). I’m glad he wizened up. But still it’s good to remember that political operatives rarely have more political conscience than ambition. She doesn’t believe her own spin and never has. Both conventions were efforts at emotional manipulation so transparent that none of us should fall for any of it. Only one party threatens our shared core liberal democratic (small l & d) values.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/25/kimberly-guilfoyle-speech-rnc-california/

  56. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    FF: yes Nazi. The tight wide belt made it reminiscent of the female Nazi uniform. Otherwise it was purely militaristic. And are we at war? With whom do you think? Do heads of democratic states and their spouses normally dress in military style when they aren’t autocratic, even at times of war? Even W just wore a flight suit…

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Pretty sure that was classic American military styling on the lovely First Lady.

  58. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Nathan has made out quit well for an upper middle class white kid. Remember distraction is key.

    My wife got her University approved ppe today. The face masks are worthless. Even wearing both reusable ones provided simultaneously, they fail to pass the flame test.
    The flame test is a simple way to determine the effectiveness of your mask. Light a candle and while wearing the mask try to blow the candle out. If you are able to blow the candle out more than a two or three inches away from your face, the mask will not be effective. These are the same masks being given to all students. Worthless. I guess it fits into the new Trumpian ethos, create the illusion of protection while getting as much money from the students as possible.

    Hey Faceless Fascist how is that school reopening going down in Florida? I see where the number of children hospitalized with the trumpvirus has increased by over 100, almost 600 kiddies as of yesterday. I wonder how many will require ventilators, coffins?

  59. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    As predicted, the CDC has come up with a way to make the trumpvirus go away before the election. As the Leader has pointed out, no testing no virus. MAGA

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/26/health/cdc-guidelines-coronavirus-testing/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-08-26T11%3A27%3A13&utm_term=link&__twitter_impression=true

    My wife was told weeks ago that they were going to test all students and staff before classes began. That has totally disappeared into the memory hole.

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Since you don’t appreciate all the testing (most of any country in the world) and want to use it against the President perhaps that is wise. Perhaps it is a signal that there is something wrong with the tests. When you get 50% false results is testing a good thing to do?

  61. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    It is mostly a battle of ideas at this point. We should take that battle very seriously because if it moves into a widespread violent battle/war it will be a very bad thing for everyone. In my opinion her outfit was symbolic. I doubt she intended to represent herself as being a Nazi as you suggest :)

    If you think otherwise you should try to lay your arguments out again. The mere accusation of “Full Nazi” feels so weak, imo. Maybe I am underestimating your interpretation of her dress :)

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    “And are we at war? With whom do you think?”

    The Invisible Enemy. The President has spoken of it many times. Ostensibly it is the virus. Could there be a subtext to it? Leftists have declared war on the USA but they do it openly.

  63. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    I don’t know about it Wobblie. Do you have a link you could share so I can learn more? It is not good if children are being hospitalized. I support our schools decision to do virtual learning for now. It is smart to play it safe where we can. I don’t see any good reason for kids 6-12 to go to school now given the probable risk to themselves and teachers. Much less do I think College kids should go in person…. Similarly, I thought it would have been wise for MI to play it safe with our elderly when we knew it was attacking the elderly at a very very high rate…Why do you insist on playing the insinuation game Wobblie? Always painting others in such broad strokes is not an effective communication style.

  64. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    HW– We are very clear that you indulge a fantasy of implemented Martial Law and a totalitarian utopia for true believers like you complete with revenge against liberals like me or any form of dissent.

    You are definitely her target audience. thankfully they have no plans nor capacity to implement the vision you imagine they subscribe to. The only thing the Trumps care about is the Trumps and ‘winning.’ That’s it. There’s no secret message to decode or guiding moral principles. Melania said so herself. He says what he means. It doesn’t go deeper than that. Pure ego. Unenlightened self interest. You’re a damn fool for imagining any other scenario.

  65. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    “Pretty sure that was classic American military styling on the lovely First Lady.” — HW
    Wrong. no wide belts in US military uniform, male or female. For a good fucking reason too.

  66. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    I think it’s okay for the First Lady to wear a stylish belt on her American military – themed ensemble. What would be the maximum width belt in your Big Brother world? Leftist terrorists are burning our cities down and hunting Americans in packs but your quixotic obsession with nazis takes center stage in your mind.

  67. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-9000-florida-children-diagnosed-coronavirus-two-weeks-schools-reopen-1527587

  68. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    “HW– We are very clear that you indulge a fantasy of implemented Martial Law and a totalitarian utopia for true believers like you complete with revenge against liberals like me or any form of dissent.”

    You might be “clear” whatever that means but you are incorrect. I just want to see you finally have to eat your words. You are going to have to eat what you just said. Your side is the one going around forcing people trying to eat a meal to submit by saying black lives matter or get assaulted by a mob and risk getting hurt.

  69. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Thicker belt than Nazi= worse than Hitler

    #simple

  70. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Relative to you I am extremely tolerant. I generally don’t attack people for their beliefs (when I do it is in self defense and backed up with reason) and I don’t go around calling regular people some of the worst things it is possible to be in this society. If I think the belief is stupid I just blow it away with knowledge. You can’t handle that so you wage war against me personally by any means necessary.

  71. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Wobblie. That is an important thing to track so we can figure out the best course of action moving forward. In my opinion, children above 6th grade should learn from home for now. All elderly/at risk teachers and staff should not go into schools for now. I am glad that is what our district decided to do. No brainer, imo.

  72. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    The CIA was formed by fascists who supported Hitler but you further every dirty lie they tell. Spygate, Obamagate, call it what you want; I think it will far eclipse Watergate… It’s CIA lies and illegal tricks like lying to enable spying. Obama knew, they all knew. I know James Corney is feeling the heat as are many others. Stop projecting and face reality for once.

  73. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/534943261973513509/

  74. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    HW The Central Intelligence Agency was created on July 26, 1947 when Harry S. Truman signed the National Security Act into law. The Act merged the Department of War (renamed as the Department of the Army) and the Department of the Navy into the National Military Establishment (NME), headed by the Secretary of Defense. It also created the Department of the Air Force and the United States Air Force, which separated the Army Air Forces into its own service. It also protected the Marine Corps as an independent service, under the Department of the Navy.

    Aside from the military reorganization, the act established the National Security Council and the Central Intelligence Agency, the U.S.’s first peacetime non-military intelligence agency.
    Please explain who the fascist were? Truman? The US Senate? And you accuse me of gaslighting, oy vey.

  75. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    HW since you think like the Leader, why has he done nothing to reign in the CIA. For two years he had the easy capacity to stop CIA lawlessness. Their would have been plenty of Democratic support for bi-partisanreform. Why does he not use his executive powers? Gaslighting.

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    You never researched the Dulles brothers? Wow.

  77. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Apparently this guy thinks there’s a war going on which is why he shot two peaceful protestors last night.

    Trump supporters have blood on their hands. Lots of it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/26/jacob-blake-shooting-gun-battle-in-kenosha-on-third-night-of-unrest

  78. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    HW– you have said in this forum that we will all be hauled off to jail. And you will be cheering.

  79. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Boogaloos are for waging war on the federal government. Does that sound like a Trump supporter? It is a fact antifa has been dressing up like “right-wingers” and causing violence. They did it the other day in Portland and fought each other!

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    “HW– you have said in this forum that we will all be hauled off to jail. And you will be cheering.”

    Prove it.

  81. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    One thing at a time, Jean. Have you compared the female WWI motor division belt thickness to Nazi belts yet?

  82. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Or maybe Melania was just Kremlin styled: https://www.123rf.com/photo_90643425_volgograd-russia-october-15-2017-women-in-a-military-uniform-and-garrison-caps-are-in-a-rank-on-the-.html

    PS Anyone who believes in deep state conspiracies but can’t acknowledge that the clothing of First Ladies is carefully chosen to convey meaning is really twisting in the wind.

  83. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    As perhaps you know, HW, this site is not easily searchable for statements by frequent posters. I don’t have time or will to even write this today, much less search endlessly for confirming posts of yours.

    I’m glad to hear you don’t look forward to seeing us liberals locked up.

  84. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    You can’t because I never said that. For what crime am I supposed to have said that about? Just being a piece of shit? I never said that’s illegal and I never said anyone who never committed a crime should go to jail. You never learn your lesson when you just make this shit up and get busted.

  85. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    There is a little something called google. If you can’t back it up don’t claim someone said something they didn’t say.

  86. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Hahahaha I have no problem finding quotes by you when I need to. I don’t go around just making bullshit up either.

  87. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    FF– I have a long family history of military service on both sides. Discussions of military uniforms and their meaning happened a fair amount growing up. You would be hard pressed to find any US military uniform post WW2 that is belted. It’s unusual to see men’s suits that are belted. Few wear formal hats anymore. Why do you think Western men’s sartorial standards literally slacked off after WW2?

    Exceptions must be made of course for places like Russia and North Korea:
    https://www.cheatsheet.com/health-fitness/report-reveals-north-korean-women-treated-under-kim-jong-uns-rule.html/

  88. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    I said it was obviously purposely chosen to be military style. I also said I think it was symbolic. I just don’t think Jean Henry is qualified to interpret the symbolism of her dress. Nor do I think Jean Henry is qualified to interpret much of anything, to be honest. Keep trying, I guess.

  89. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Many characters here have called for people like me to be locked up and worse. It’s been a non-stop harassment campaign of threats, (attempted) intimidation and gaslighting.

  90. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Jean:Wrong. no wide belts in US military uniform, male or female. For a good fucking reason too.
    FF:Have you compared the female WWI motor division belt thickness to Nazi belts yet?

    Did I speak in the past tense. I did not. My grandfathers WW1 (he lied to get in) uniform was belted. Not belted jackets in US military uniforms after WW2. At least that I’m aware of. I could be wrong. I am not however wrong that Melania self-styled herself as a totalitarian militarist. That’s really obvious, but keep googling to prove me wrong.

    Lunch is over. Back to work.

    You all can stay here all day spouting the same shit endlessly. What a fucking waste.

  91. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Bulshitter extraordinaire Jean Henry

  92. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Can’t come up with a reason why the Leader has not reformed the CIA can you. I know a great deal about the Dulles. Of course there has not been a Dulles around since the Warren Commission. But remember keep the distractions going. September on life is going to get real ugly as evictions and forclosures start picking up speed, police there supporters continue to murder fellow citizens— but at least the virus will be gone.

  93. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    “I have a long family history of military service on both sides. Discussions of military uniforms and their meaning happened a fair amount growing up.”

    Which is why you concluded “full nazi”. You sound very sophisticated and informed in such things.

    Because USA belts are always thin. Because only Nazi belts are thick. Except for all of those thick Russian and N Korean belts. Except of course—when the belts are thick and American.

    (Not to mention the growing evidence that some of the Nazi, Russian, and N Korean belts are also thin.)

  94. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    If you know about them then why did you ask who the fascists were who started the CIA? In an extremely annoying manner I might add. That’s the distraction. What Alan Dulles did in Project Paperclip has had a lasting effect on the CIA and the whole country.

  95. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Jean. My parents did not meet Harvard so I don’t have access to all of that great knowledge, passed down through genetics, like you. I am just an ignorant low class person with a computer. It is just me and google. It’s sad when you think about it. I am thinking about doing a gofundme for myself because my situation is so pathetic.

    Thank you for your grandfathers service!

  96. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    It does surprise me that Jean’s instinct would be to try to “other” a female immigrant. A lot of people are xenophobic like Jean. Luckily, as more people in our society speak-up loudly against the evils of zenophobia, sexism and racism, regressive voices, like Jean’s voice, are becoming more drowned-out and irrelevant.

    (How was that one Cassandra?)

  97. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Still no answer. Surely Qanon knows.
    If anything the CIA has only gotten stronger and more lawless under Trump and his goon Pompeo and the torturer Haspel.
    You said fascist created the CIA. All the Dulles were is managers, powerful yes, but clearly members of the US ruling elite. Like Hoover they served both Republicans and Democrats.

  98. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    What a headline. Americans are not taking this shit. You think the “average” dem citizen wants this? It’s political suicide for dem leaders to allow it. You have a relative handful of domestic terrorists (and let’s be real – this is terrorism) reeeeally really riled up. That’s about it. Many who marched in solidarity with you before will opt out now.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/seattle-black-lives-matter-rioters-tried-burn-officers-alive-using-concrete-seal-precinct-door-shut-starting-fire/

  99. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    How do you figure? Obama’s guy attempted and came very close to executing a coup and stealing the USA back from the people. Trump has been cleaning house. Lots and lots of housecleaning to do.

  100. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Faceless Fascist, you surely remember the last time that lucky immigrant girl was in the news over her clothes. You remember the “I don’t really care, do you” look for visiting locked up children.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/melania-trump-fashion-choices-sending-messages-photos%3famp

  101. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Nice little article for you

    https://ahrp.org/pivotal-role-of-allen-dulles-in-shielding-nazi-war-criminals/

  102. iRobert
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Trump should have bumped Melania and let Stormy Daniels make a speech. Stormy is the real First Lady.

  103. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    As I pointed out at the time it actually read: “really don’t care, do you”.

    Challenge: Show me a photo where her hood is up and it said what you say it said. You can’t. She was trolling in my opinion. What was the intent of her trolling though? What did she mean? Think about it.

  104. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    HW that was US policy. Still no answer. Putting your thugs in charge of a criminal organization just makes you the head of a criminal organization. Frank Church showed it was possible to reform. Trump is evidently to dumb, or more likely being a criminal he just wants to use it for his own purposes.—just like the ones you hate. So it is not the CIA being a fascist criminal organization you object too, it is just not enriching the right folks.

    Trump the reformer.

  105. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    FF, Dont have a photo. She was asked about the message. Show me where she denied that was what was on the back of her parka. Her statement was that it was not meant to be a message about the children, rather that it was just a comfortable travel coat.
    It was an off the shelf Zara jacket. They were manufactured with the expression on it.
    I would have thought you grabbed one up, they are available on ebay.
    https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&source=hp&ei=SbdGX_aDA87OtQa8jJT4Cw&q=zara+i+don%27t+care+jacket+&oq=zara+i+don%27t+care+jacket+&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBADMgIIADIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgIIKToFCAAQsQM6BQguELEDOggILhCxAxCTAjoICC4QsQMQgwE6CAgAELEDEIMBOgUIABCSAzoECAAQCjoICAAQFhAKEB46BAgAEB46BggAEAgQHlDcGVjiXWCpbWgAcAB4AIABuAGIAY8KkgEEMTIuMpgBAKABAaABBbABDw&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp

  106. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    FF I know how much you like video, here are some videos of the Kenosha murderer working with the police. They then let him flee. Much as the Austin police let that murderer go (he is still confined to barracks, an army euphemism).

    https://blacksportsonline.com/2020/08/video-white-supremacist-kyle-rittenhouse-murdered-two-protesters-in-kenosha-he-walked-right-passed-them-gun-in-hand-they-didnt-do-anything/3/

  107. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    I understand what the words are on that coat. If you lift the hood it reads one way. If you have the hood down it reads another way. I strongly believe the dual message of the coat was intended by the manufacturer. Melania chose one message. I have only seen her with the message reading “you really don’t care, do you?” You asserted that she broadcasted another message. You are wrong. We covered this already. Like two years ago. My god.

  108. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I already saw the Kenosha shooting video. It is true that several of the cop cars went past the young shooter—assuming he’s was not the shooter I guess. I found that interesting. I also found it interesting that he was chased, on the ground, and attacked before he fired a shot. He only shot people who were attacking him from what I could tell. It is possible he shot people before and that is why they were attacking. I have not had time to investigate it. Do check out the moments right before the shooting though—the moments when the shooter is attacked. Tell me what you see. I am going to try to take a closer look later.

  109. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Oops. It reads “really don’t care, do you ?”

    I am not arguing that the jacket was unrelated to the children. Caring about the children is the fucking point. Think about it.

    Anyway, we already had a very full conversation about this topic years ago. Maybe revisit the comments section of that topic?

  110. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    HW is wrong again. How many times do we have to school you? Meanwhile, FF is already reviewing video to excuse a violent murderer of his crimes. FF your double standard is STILL showing. Cover up! It’s gross. No one wants to see THAT.

    https://www.insider.com/kyle-rittenhouse-who-shot-kenosha-protesters-was-obsessed-with-cops-2020-8

  111. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    I have not had time to review much at all. I watched this video quickly. It gave a bit more context. I am not ready to pass judgment yet at all. And yes I strongly believe the shooter is Rittenhouse. I also know that Rittenhouse seemed to idolize the police. What is your point?

    I think you should stick to interpreting ladies belts, Jean. After you learn something about ladies belts of course. Just focusing in on something small might help you avoid demonstrating your supreme idiocy over and over again….

    https://youtu.be/4lRdMi4nUOA

    Again, I don’t have a strong opinion of what happened yet.

  112. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    FF the video of the shooter being chased is after he murdered one person. He was heading back to his handlers when protesters attempted to apprehend him. He shoots one and then he casually takes aim and shoots his third victim. You evidently did not see the heavily armed man police (?) officer he walks by, that officer was less than hundred feet from the shooting.
    You must have missed the one where two people are attempting to stop the bleeding from his first victim. He starts casually walking away talking on the phone about killing one of them. At that point protesters started chasing after him. You missed that part I guess. Did you see the videos from earlier where he is paling around with the cops? The cops say were going to drive the protesters towards you (the vigilante militia he was with) and you will know what to do.
    No body cams, and I suspect we will find out many of the cops turned off their audio recorders as well.
    Dont worry be happy were going to get the police state you want. MAGA

  113. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    I have not had time to check out many videos. The video I posted was the best one I could find. Most of the other videos just showed Rittenhouse firing. Can you walk me through the videos Wobblie? The ones that show greater context? I would appreciate it. I will view them later tonight….

  114. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Busy right now but counting on you Wobblie. Can you lay out exactly how the first Rittenhouse shooting happened? Please provide a video. Was he just shooting random protestors like a maniac? Was Rittenhouse under attack? Looking for context. You seem to know more about this than I do and I don’t have time to search around right now. Appreciate any info you can give. With attached videos.

  115. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    I guess witness reports are good too. Whatever you are basing your interpretation of events on would be great.

  116. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Interested in what you know about the nature of the first shooting prior to the chase, attack, and second cluster of shots.

  117. John Brown
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    The shooter was just imitating the behavior of the AR15 waving McCloskeys that was glorified at the RNC. And here he is at agent orange rally in January. He thinks he was being a good little GOP boy traveling to a neighboring state prepared to kill.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/kenosha-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-trump-rally

  118. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Pretty wild to berate someone for protecting their self from a mob in their own home.

  119. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    What do you think I am wrong about this time, Jean? You have never schooled me. You are the schoolee. I have proven that countless times.

  120. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    The Kenosha shooter is the face of your Trump revolution, HW, EOS and FF.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/kenosha-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-trump-rally

    And HW you implied that the Kenosha shooting was abroad posing as a far right militia member before any information was available. The mechanics of your confirmation bias was Once more in open display. Now you will walk it back but not acknowledge that you have denied and minimized all far right violence while describing left leaning violence in the most hyperbolic terms.

    You hold that in common with your fellow Trumpets here. Meanwhile the numbers don’t lie. Domestic terrorism is overwhelmingly dominated by far right extremists, increasingly Q believers as well.

    When Trump loses and civil unrest from the right fills the streets will you defend it?

  121. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    ANTIFA not abroad**

  122. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    No he is not but thousands of criminals are the face of yours.

    “HW you implied that the Kenosha shooting was abroad posing as a far right militia member before any information was available.”

    Quote me then. Off the top of my head all I said was boogaloos aren’t Trump supporters. It was one of you who said he was a boogaloo.

    I also said antifa is posing as right-wingers, which is true. They had the same larpy shields as the antifa side in Portland the other day and phony signs. It was obvious by the way they looked and dressed. That was covered widely by your fake news outlets. There was a weird Save the Children rally in Chicago also with an unusual demographic that was another obvious larp.

  123. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    I want to know more about the Kenosha shooter. This is a great opportunity to really put the mirror up to Trump supporters, Jean. Can you characterize tbe events that led up to the first and second shooting? The article you and JBro source suggests that he “prowled the protest with a gun.” So were the first and second shootings the result of him prowling protestors like they said in Buzzfeed? That is important right. Tell me about what happened.

  124. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Can you tell me more about the face of my Trump support? Was he “prowling protestors” right before he shot innocent protestors like they suggested in the article you guys shared?

  125. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    How did the actual shootings unfold? Wobblie, Jean, J Bro? Do you agree with the characterization in the article? Can you elaborate on the first shooting? What happened?

  126. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    J Bro, JH, and Wobblie:

    I found a website. Click on the first video. The guy who analyzed the video does not seem to agree with you guys. Can we go point by point and correct where his analysis is wrong? I will go first. When Rittenhouse was running away from the protestor the protestors did not throw a Molotov cocktail at him. That is wrong. It was a plastic bag. Ok. Your turn. Which part of the analysis do you guys disagree with?

  127. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61678

  128. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Mark Dice (@MarkDice) Tweeted:
    Here’s the video from earlier https://t.co/0euVaBhGE1

    All 3 of the peaceful protestors that were shot are in this video. 1) At :03 the guy in the question tang shirt and blue hat is the guy shot in the arm when he ran at Rittenhouser with a Glock. 2) At :22 the short guy in the Red shirt was the one who got shot while chasing a fleeing Rittenhouser in the parking lot. 3) Also at :22 is the taller white guy with a blue cap on, who got shot after trying to hit Rittenhouser in the head with a skateboard while Rittenhouser was on the ground.

    Correct me where I am wrong guys. I have been working on this for like 30 minutes, so I could be wrong. I am not a fancy journalist like the ones you guys listen to on MSNBC and Buzz feed.

  129. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Sorry. I don’t know how twitter works. The twitter video I was trying to link is the sixth post down.

  130. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Here is a website that seems to be anti-blue lives matter. They also do not seem to agree with Wobblie, JH, J Bro or their trusted sources. Can you guys point out where you think this website is wrong and why?

    https://copblaster.com/blast/25930/kenosha-protester-shot-in-self-defense-by-kyle-rittenhouse#

  131. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    “Kyle Rittenhouse has been charged with murder, but the basis for this charge is not clear. The videos clearly show that he was defending himself. On top of all the video, he was just 17 years old. This kid obviously grew up idolizing cops and before he lived long enough to know better tried to be one. We do not support blue backers, but we don’t support charging people with crimes they did not commit just to appease the public either.“

    That is an interesting quote from “copbusters.com”. Can you guys explain how they are wrong in their analysis?

  132. Jean Henry
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    For anyone who believes the country is erupting in riots c peaceful protests, some data:
    https://acleddata.com/special-projects/us-crisis-monitor/

  133. Wobblie
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Murdering first victim from about 30 ft away

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ytfigSO89go

  134. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Anthony Huber was not the person shot there. That aspect of the video is factually incorrect. Huber is the one who was shot later after attacking Kyle with the skateboard while he was on the ground right before the guy charging Kyle with the Glock was shot in the arm.

    There is zero indication that Kyle shot the short guy in the red shirt and bald head from 30 feet away. He was sprinting toward Kyle. A first shot went off when he was a car length away as he was sprinting toward him. The person who got shot was the same guy at :22 of the video I shared. He was the one who was acting threatening toward Kyle and his group minutes (?) before. There is no indication he was hit when the first shot came out. None as far as I can tell. It could have been a warning shot. I could not tell the direction of the barrel. Could you? It was fuzzy. There is no doubt that Kyle did in fact hit him with bullets when he was at 3 feet away. As he was being charged by him at extremely close range.

    I don’t think you are being honest when you simply say Kyle murdered him at 30 feet away. I will look closer on on a larger screen tomorrow.

  135. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    I am not an advocate of 17 year olds carrying a gun to a protest/riot. That is crazy. I am, however, wondering what the 36 year old was doing chasing-down a FLEEING AND ARMED 17 year old around at night during a riotous protest. I mean, wtf was the 36 year old planning to do when he caught up to him?

  136. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 26, 2020 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    And according to Fox News Blake admitted he was armed with a knife and it was in the area where he was shot. There were tons of innocent people and children around. He had a warrant out on him. He resisted arrest. He reached into a car that had a weapon inside. In doing so he put not only put his life in danger he put all of the lives around him in danger. If the recent report is true, the blood on whose hands Jean?

  137. Anonymous
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/functional-everyday-carry-edc-knives.htm

    There are a lot of people “armed” with knives out there.

  138. Anonymous
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/idaho-coronavirus-fight-brad-little/index.html

    Lots more here, disobeying police instructions. Strangely, no shots fired. Maybe better training on de-escalation?

  139. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    Faceless Fascist just like with your flawed analysis of Charlottesville and Austin you will find a way to justify murder. It is what fascist do. Thanks for not letting me down. I think I’ll stick to the Prosecution’s finding of pre-meditated murder.

  140. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    FF. Here is another one of your very fine folks in need of your analytical and forensic skills.

    https://atlantablackstar.com/2020/08/26/louisiana-white-man-who-gunned-down-61-year-old-black-panhandler-charged-with-murder-after-three-days-of-outcry-mayors-statement/?fbclid=IwAR3AxRi1eFR4IbIORN3HCo13kPLnABR5XknCj9YyiE35pLrP0jStjCw93KY

  141. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    Apparently after resisting arrest he went to his car where there was a knife on the floor board. He admitted it apparently. Saying he was “armed” was incorrect in my part. Big deal. He appears to be reaching toward the floorboard after resisting arrest. I am just stating facts. I think there things the cops could have done differently. I think there were a thousand things Blake could have done differently.

    Please correct me where my facts are wrong.

  142. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Can you name one thing I was incorrect about in the video analysis I did around the DeAndre Harris, Corey Long, Harold Crews interaction? Go back to the thread. I will gladly take a look at the spots where you think I made a mistake. Btw, you have still not told me what Deandre Harris was doing off camera at 5:33 of the “Durst the worst” video. What was Deandre Harris doing? Your characterization of the interaction was light on facts, imo.

    Can you characterize the 3 shootings by Rittenhouse? First shooting: What was the short guy witn the red shirt around his neck doing right before he was shot? Second shooting: What was Anthony Huber doing right before he was shot? Third shooting: What was the man with the Glock doing right before he was shot?

    These should be easy questions to answer.

  143. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    FF my understanding was there was not a warrant out on Blake. Rather there was a restraining order requiring him to keep his distance from an ex wife or girlfriend. The knife was in the vehicle, not in Blakes hand.
    Using your superior skills please explain how the officer was in fear for his life when he pumped 7 shots into Blakes back.

  144. EOS
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    There has been a lot of symbolism in this campaign. I thought women wore wide belts to accentuate their small waists. Melania is a great looking woman. The US military fatigue uniform can be worn with a 3 – 4 inch wide utility belt at times, but it is functional rather than aesthetic.

    However, the Democratic Party has a new logo that very closely resembles a satanic symbol. Death to America? You decide.

    https://youtu.be/-ZVCTTIbe4s

  145. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    It is possible there was no warrant on Blake. It was reported Blake had a warrant for his arrest but it might not be true. I was wrong to say he was armed with a knife as I already admitted, I misspoke. It is being reported Blake admitted to having a knife in the car though. It is being reported the knife was on the floorboard. It does appear Blake was reaching down low toward the floorboard to me. Do you see something different?

    You have seen the second video from behind the car right? What do you see in the video? I see a tussle with the police involving Blake. It appears they are wrestling with Blake. The video is fuzzy. I presume they are trying to arrest him although it is possible that is not true. It appears Blake and the cops are on the ground. Blake gets up. The cops follow him around the car. I presume they are ordering him to freeze but that could be untrue. I see Blake opening his car door. I see the cop very weakly try to pin Blake against the car with one hand. It is more of a shove at Blake’s shoulder. I then see Blake reaching down low quickly into the car. I then see Blake being shot. Can you correct me where you see something different?

    Do you think they were trying to arrest Blake? Yes or no?

  146. Sas
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    I’ll look more closely FF after I watch the basketball games.

  147. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    EOS,

    Implied “anarchy symbol” was the first thing I noticed.

  148. EOS
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    A list of pedophiles became unsealed and here’s what’s been happening while you all were distracted.

    Democratic Illinois State Representative, Keith Farnham, has resigned and was charged with possession of child pornography and has been accused of bragging at an online site about sexually molesting a 6-year-old girl.

    Democratic spokesperson for the Arkansas Democratic Party, Harold Moody, Jr, was charged with distribution and possession of child pornography.

    Democratic Radnor Township Board of Commissioners member, Philip Ahr, resigned from his position after being charged with possession of child pornography and abusing children between 2 and 6 years-old.

    Democratic activist and BLM organizer, Charles Wade, was arrested and charged with human trafficking and underage prostitution.

    Democratic Texas attorney and activist, Mark Benavides, was charged with having sex with a minor, inducing a child under 18 to have sex and compelling prostitution of at least nine legal clients and possession of child pornography. He was found guilty on six counts of sex trafficking.

    Democratic Virginia Delegate, Joe Morrissey, was indicted on charges connected to his relationship with a 17-year-old girl and was charged with supervisory indecent liberties with a minor, electronic solicitation of a minor, possession of child pornography and distribution of child pornography.

    Democratic Massachusetts Congressman, Gerry Studds, was censured by the House of Representatives after he admitted to an inappropriate relationship with a 17-year-old.

    Democratic Former Mayor of Stillwater, New York, Rick Nelson was plead guilty to five counts of possession of child pornography of children less than 16 years of age.

    Democratic Former Mayor of Clayton, New York, Dale Kenyon, was indicted for sexual acts against a teenager.

    Democratic Former Mayor of Hubbard, Ohio, Richard Keenan, was given a life sentence in jail for raping a 4-year-old girl.

    Democratic Former Mayor of Winston, Oregeon, Kenneth Barrett, was arrested for setting up a meeting to have sex with a 14-year-old girl who turned out to be a police officer.

    Democratic Former Mayor of Randolph, Nebraska, Dwayne L. Schutt, was arrested and charged with four counts of felony third-degree sexual assault of a child and one count of intentional child abuse.

    Democratic Former Mayor of Dawson, Georgia, Christopher Wright, was indicted on the charges of aggravated child molestation, aggravated sodomy, rape, child molestation and statutory rape of an 11-year-old boy and a 12-year-old girl.

    Democratic Former Mayor of Stockton, California, Anthony Silva, was charged with providing alcohol to young adults during a game of strip poker that included a 16-year-old boy at a camp for underprivileged children run by the mayor.

    Democratic Former Mayor of Millbrook, New York, Donald Briggs, was arrested and charged with inappropriate sexual contact with a person younger than 17.

    Democratic party leader for Victoria County, Texas, Stephen Jabbour, plead guilty to possession and receiving over half a million child pornographic images.

    Democratic activist and fundraiser, Terrence Bean, was arrested on charges of sodomy and sex abuse in a case involving a 15-year-old boy and when the alleged victim declined to testify, and the judge dismissed the case.

    Democratic Party Chairman for Davidson County, Tennessee, Rodney Mullin, resigned amid child pornography allegations.

    Democratic activist, Andrew Douglas Reed, pleaded guilty to a multiple counts of 2nd-degree sexual exploitation of a minor for producing child pornography.

    Democratic official from Terre Haute, Indiana, David Roberts was sentenced to federal prison for producing and possessing child pornography including placing hidden cameras in the bedrooms and bathrooms at a home he shared with two minor female victims.

    Democratic California Congressman, Tony Cárdenas, is being sued in LA County for allegedly sexually abused a 16-year-old girl.

    Democratic aide to Senator Barbara Boxer, Jeff Rosato, plead guilty to charges of trading in child pornography.

    Democratic Alaskan State Representative, Dean Westlake, resigned from his seat after the media published a report alleging he fathered a child with a 16-year-old girl when he was 28.

    Democratic New Jersey State Assemblyman, Neil Cohen, was convicted of possession and distribution of child pornography.

    Democratic donor and billionaire, Jeffrey Epstein, ran an underage child sex brothel and was convicted of soliciting underage girls for prostitution.

    Democratic New York Congressman, Anthony Weiner, plead guilty to transferring obscene material to a minor as part of a plea agreement for sexted and sending Twitter DMs to underage girls as young as 15.

    Democratic donor, activist, and Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein is being criminally prosecuted and civilly sued for years of sexual abuse (that was well known “secret” in Hollywood) including underage sexual activities with aspiring female actresses.

    Democratic activist and #metoo proponent, Asia Argento, settled a lawsuit for sexual harassment stemming from sexual activities with an underage actor.

    Democratic Mayor of Racine, Wisconsin, Gary Becker, was convicted of attempted child seduction, child pornography, and other child sex crimes.

    Democratic Seattle Mayor Ed Murray resigned after multiple accusations of child sexual abuse were levied against him including by family members.

    Democratic activist and aid to NYC Mayor De Blasio, Jacob Schwartz was arrested on possession of 3,000+ child pornographic images.

    Democratic activist and actor, Russell Simmons, was sued based on an allegation of sexual assault where he coerced an underage model for sex.

    Democratic Governor of Oregon, Neil Goldschmidt, after being caught by a newspaper, publicly admitted to having a past sexual relationship with a 13-year-old girl after the statute of limitations on the rape charges had expired.

    Democratic Illinois Congressman, Mel Reynolds resigned from Congress after he was convicted of statutory rape of a 16-year-old campaign volunteer.

    Democratic New York Congressman, Fred Richmond, was arrested in Washington D.C. for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy.

    Democratic activist, donor, and director, Roman Polanski, fled the country after pleading guilty to statutory rape of a 13-year-old girl. Democrats and Hollywood actors still defend him to this day, including, Whoopi Goldberg, Martin Scorcese, Woody Allen, David Lynch, Wim Wenders, Pedro Almodovar, Tilda Swinton and Monica Bellucci.

    Democratic State Senator from Alaska, George Jacko, was found guilty of sexual harassment of an underage legislative.

    Democratic State Representative candidate for Colorado, Andrew Myers, was convicted for possession of child pornography and enticing children.

    Democratic Illinois Congressman, Gus Savage was investigated by the Democrat-controlled House Committee on Ethics for attempting to rape an underage female Peace Corps volunteer in Zaire. The Committee concluded that while the events did occur his apology was sufficient and took no further action.

    Democratic activist, donor, and spokesperson for Subway, Jared Fogle, was convicted of distribution and receipt of child pornography and traveling to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor.

    Democratic State Department official, Carl Carey, under Hillary Clinton’s state department, was arrested on ten counts of child porn possession.

    Democratic Maine Assistant Attorney General, James Cameron, was sentenced to just over 15 years in federal prison for seven counts of child porn possession, receipt and transmission.

    Democratic State Department official, Daniel Rosen, under Hillary Clinton’s state department, was arrested and charged with allegedly soliciting sex from a minor over the internet.

    Democratic State Department official, James Cafferty, pleaded guilty to one count of transportation of child pornography.

    Democratic radio host, Bernie Ward, plead guilty to one count of sending child pornography over the Internet.

    Democratic deputy attorney general from California, Raymond Liddy, was arrested for possession of child pornography.

    And yet they say it takes some kind of conspiracy nut to think that the Democrats have a problem with pedophilia.

  149. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    I do agree with Anonymous. The training of some of these cops is horrible. They need to learn more grappling and de-escalation. They will be more confident in their abilities to de-escalate as they are more competent in grappling. If the cops can not field a competent force you will see more militias. More private citizens protecting private property…It is not good path to go down, imo.

  150. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    I also wonder if some of the responsibility for the failed relationship between cop/citizen might be rightly pinned on the citizens. What do you guys think? Is there anything citizens should do to improve the cop/citizen relations?

  151. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    EOS Thankyou for posting. Mel Reynolds was convicted in 1995. The one case I picked at random is 25 years old. Please explain how this is relevant.
    I know honesty is meaningless to you.
    HW do you think a 25 year old conviction is relevant how about you FF?

  152. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    “Using your superior skills please explain how the officer was in fear for his life when he pumped 7 shots into Blakes back.“

    The cops did a horrible job. So indecisive. And they put themselves in a very bad position that could have/ should have been avoided. ** The fact that there was so many people around complicated everything.** The cops decision to shoot may have been influenced by his belief that Blake was a threat to all of the people around the scene. The cops decision to shoot may have been influenced by his fear that a shootout might lead to an innocent life being hit by a stray bullet. Bottom line: the cop should not have shot him. The cop sucked at his job, it was a complicated situation.

    I will add however, if it is true that Blake decided to resist arrest then that too was a horrible decision. Bad things happen when people resist arrest, ignore commands, and reach quickly into cars. It is irresponsible x1000 to decide to do all of those things with innocent people and children around.

  153. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Second name I picked at Random was Rd Murray. Some allegations, no charges were filed. This was back in 2017.
    You said, “ A list of pedophiles became unsealed and here’s what’s been happening while you all were distracted.”
    So I will call a lie a lie.

  154. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    I know you want to express your opinions and slither off but the things we say have real world consequences, Wobblie. You are being irresponsible. I think tightening-up and clarifying your characterizations of the Rittenhouse shootings is the least you can do at this point.

    I ask again:

    Can you characterize the 3 shootings by Rittenhouse? First shooting: What was the short guy witn the red shirt around his neck doing right before he was shot? Second shooting: What was Anthony Huber doing right before he was shot? Third shooting: What was the man with the Glock doing right before he was shot?

    These should be easy questions to answer.

  155. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    FF I recommend you read Michael Foucoults “Discipline and Punish”.
    In the fascist world view so well expounded by FF the citizens are the servants of the police. Protection of property is critical, the lives of citizens are expendable.
    Obviously more terror is necessary to get the slaves back in line.

  156. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    You have no idea how much I love your last comment Wobblie!!!!!

    But why not answer my direct questions about your characterizations of specific shootings?

  157. EOS
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    And Roman Polanski was arrested in 1977 and convicted on 5 counts in 1979 but fled the country. Someone compiled the list and recently shared it on Facebook. Over 40 years of pedophilia on the Democratic side and no one wants to talk about it, much less do anything to stop it.

  158. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Here is a hint as to why I loved your Foucault comment, which functioned as a way of avoiding the examination of concrete particulars, Wobblie:

    From Wikipedia:
    “Another criticism leveled against Foucault’s approach is that he often studies the discourse of “prisons” rather than their concrete practice; this is taken up by Fred Alford:

    “Foucault has mistaken the idea of prison, as reflected in the discourse of criminologists, for its practice. More precisely put, Foucault presents the utopian ideals of eighteenth-century prison reformers, most of which were never realized, as though they were the actual reforms of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. One can see this even in the pictures in Discipline and Punish, many of which are drawings for ideal prisons that were never built. One photograph is of the panopticon prison buildings at Stateville, but it is evidently an old photograph, one in which no inmates are evident. Nor are the blankets and cardboard that now enclose the cells.””

  159. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    “HW do you think a 25 year old conviction is relevant how about you FF?”—Wobblie

    If I was trafficked as a child, 25 years ago, I am pretty sure that long lasting trauma would be relevant to just about everything about my life.

    Wobblie does not seem to think his words and actions have consequences that can span space and time. He does not consider how his speech acts might affect others. Quite a privileged fellow he is. Spouting opinions about events without showing any desire for accuracy in his statements. Without any care for his potential mischaracterization and the possible bad effects that might follow. No responsibility.

    Why though? How though?Because everything is subordinate to Wobblie’s agenda. Concrete particulars are subordinate to his ideas. He wants to make reality itself his little bitch. Unfortunately for Wobblie that sort of mode of being only works for the most charismatic and “talented” dictator types. I am afraid Wobblie is going to have to choose another mode of being.

    It’s simple, Wobblie. You characterized the Rittenhouser shootings through your comments and links. So I am asking the most basic questions regarding your characterization: First shooting: What was the short guy with the red shirt around his neck doing right before he was shot? Second shooting: What was Anthony Huber doing right before he was shot? Third shooting: What was the man with the Glock doing right before he was shot?

    These questions should be simple to answer. Especially for someone who has Foucault in his bookshelf!!!

  160. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    “The rioting has to stop. It is showing in the POLLS.” —Don Lemon

    Think!

  161. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    FF reading a Wikipedia critique is almost as good as reading cliff notes, is that how you got through college? So like EOS truth is irrelevant. He maintained that this was news. Like your constant believe in your “rightness” truth is what you want it to be.
    What I and evidently the Kenosha County prosecutor saw was an individual who earlier in the evening stated he was carrying lethal force and was prepared to use it. He was out in violation of the curfew had absolutely no legal right to be out. He murdered a man who was unarmed and was 20 to 30 feet away. He then fled the scene , at least his third felony, when citizens attempted to stop his flight he murdered a second person and attempted to murder a third.
    The fact that he was buddies with the cops, and given other actions of the cops, Im sure he believes his murders were lawful.
    He will have many years in prison to contemplate his folly.

  162. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    I wonder who he called right after his first murder. You can hear Kyle say over the phone “I killed one of them”. Was he calling his police handler who told him to flee? The Kenosha Police have a lot to answer for.

  163. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    “FF reading a Wikipedia critique is almost as good as reading cliff notes”

    Obviously true Wobblie. Sorry I don’t have time to discuss Foucault right now. Do you have time to describe what the short guy with the red shirt (1st shooting) was doing right before he was shot? You say he was shot at 30 feet away. What was he doing? Was he standing there? Was he running away? You say he fled after the first shooting. What did he do between the first shooting and running toward officers?

  164. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    FF I actually thought you might get something out of reading some of the history of public punishment. It might help you better understand the role of shooting people in front of their neighbors.

  165. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Stupid me, but you knew that.

  166. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Yes. It is likely he called the police, Wobblie. Yes, the Kenosha police needs to be investigated for this. Yes, the kid carrying is likely illegal. Yes, the kid carrying at a riot is fucking dumb.

    While we are discussing dumb and potentially illegal things what was the short 36 year old guy with a red shirt doing right before he was shot? Be brave Wobblie! Utter a truth that does not serve your agenda! You can do it buddy !

  167. Jean Henry
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    EOS do you really imagine the pedophilia is a phenomenon unique to liberals and Dems? Please check the history of rampant child sexual assault in the Catholic Church and Hasidic communities.

    People, especially on the left, have talked about the Polanski case for 40 years Straight. Woody Aileen too. These issues are not ignored on the left. How much do religious conservatives talk about it in their communities?

  168. Jean Henry
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    PS my (then) predominantly white hometown which is as conservative as A2 is liberal (enough to dominate local elections) had the highest rate of incest in all of PA when I was growing up. Young teen pregnancies from incest were relatively common in my middle school. Where’s the outrage on the right?

  169. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I dont know what the guy in the red shirt was doing. Some people say he threw a molotov cocktail. The video shows it was a bag with a paper cup in it.,. Litering now that is a death penalty offense.
    After he walked over and confirmed he had killed him he made a phone call and ran away. After shooting one pursuer in the arm he murdered a second person. He then fired multiple rounds indiscriminately at other people before walking to the police lines.

    I am truly tired of living in an exceptional nation. Unlike EOSs “facts” I only suspect that these are accurate statements.

    https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/american-exceptionalism/

  170. John Brown
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie, one thing Liberals need to work on is the killer instinct when these terrorist need putting down. That dude with the skate board had Rittenhouse down if he had just gone total berserk apeshit with the sharp edge of that board over and over “until the threat was eliminated”. The other side is excellent at eliminating threats, just extremely biased in their threat assessment.

  171. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    If you want to elucidate something about Foucault then offer a reasonably short section of text. I’m sorry if I did not have time to read a book during lunch break so I could catch you meaning.

    What was the short guy in the shirt doing right before Rittenhouser shot him?

  172. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    I agree it was a plastic bag not a Molotov cocktail. Between the time that the red shirt threw the plastic bag and got shot what was he doing? It is fine if you don’t know everything he was doing but you should be able to name something. Name something. It’s in multiple videos. It is an easy question to answer. The reason I ask is because you offered a characterization of what happened on the internet. I just want to double check that the characterization you offered up matches up with facts. When he throws the plastic bag. What does he do next?

  173. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    As I have said repeatedly I dont know. I dont spend hours slo mo videos. If it is important why not get it out.
    HW you are into this shit if you read Spanish you might find this article about MKULTRA and the Dulles interesting

    https://www.moonofshanghai.com/2020/08/pt-larry-romanoff-cia-projecto-mk-ultra.html?m=1

  174. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    You don’t have time to back up your statements which shapes a narrative, regardless of whether or not the narrative you are helping to shape matches up to the facts; But you are simultaneously surprised I did not read Foucault after lunch today at your suggestion?

    Mega fraud.

    If you don’t know then why do you pretend you do know? Why do you interpret events when you are oblivious to the fact pattern upon which an interpretation depends? You said he shot him from 30 feet away and you linked a video. In order to make such a statement you would need to identify the shooter, the shots and the person who got shot in the video. When you are identifying the person who you said got shot at 30 feet away what was he doing right before he got shot? Right after he got shot? As he was shot? You do not need to know all of these things. Logic dictates you know at least one of these things. Answer the questions or admit you are talking out your ass regardless of the consequences to others because your narrative and agenda are important to you than the Truth.

    Mega fraud.

  175. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    “The other side is excellent at eliminating threats, just extremely biased in their threat assessment.”-Fake John Brown

    Watch for the Dems threat assessment based upon recent and upcoming polls. The Dems values are about to shift dramatically. Sorry, Fake John Brown. As it turns out people, including all the real John Brown’s out there, don’t like their cities burned down. In fact the real John Brown’s consider you and your crew a big part of the problem. It will be back to be you and Maynard practicing your lightsaber skills in your backyard in no time.

  176. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    I spent a few more minutes looking at video. I see Kyle run into parking lot, he lets off a burst of three shots, almost looks like while on the run. He stops lets off another three shots. I dont ever really see the guy in the red shirt, but he is several car lengths away from Kyle. It seems like it was the second burst of three shots that hits him. As near as I can tell Joseph Rosenbaum was just standing there, but I cant tell from video. What is clear, Kyle ran into lot and started shooting. I dont even think he saw the litter that was thrown at him. It does nor seem connected to him shooting.

  177. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    I got a new name for you Fact Free. I think Kyle had seen some people breaking windows on cars in the parking lot which is why he ran over there. He killed Joseph Rosenbaum in the belief that he was shooting a looter. Premeditated murder is its name. Donald Trump incited the murders.
    You must be feeling pretty happy about how things are going.

  178. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Kyle walks at least 15 steps from where he shoots to where he stand over Josephs body. My gait is 2.5 ft a step. That would be in excess of 40 ft.
    Premeditated murder. No legal justification.
    Your fact free belief that he called the cops after shooting Joseph was pretty good. On what basis did you make that determination?

  179. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    The fascist have one basic play book. If you pay attention the folks they are murdering at these demonstrations Charlottesville, Austin and now Kenosha are the white supporters. This is not accidental.

  180. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Wobblie. Wow. I appreciate your effort. May I ask you a sincere question: Do you have severely fucked up vision? It is ok if you do. I am just wondering because that would be weird given the fact that you have berated me for my video analysis over the years. Seriously. I am at a loss. LOL.

    Big takeaway is that Wobblie thinks Joseph was just standing there. Ok. So did that inform your interpretation of events? Hypothetically would you change your interpretation of events if it turned out that Joseph was chasing Kyle and attacking him within 3 feet as Kyle backed up and finally shot him? Yes or no?

  181. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    “Kyle walks at least 15 steps from where he shoots to where he stand over Josephs body. My gait is 2.5 ft a step. That would be in excess of 40 ft.
    Premeditated murder. No legal justification.
    Your fact free belief that he called the cops after shooting Joseph was pretty good. On what basis did you make that determination?”

    I don’t think you are good at watching YouTube. LOL. You are fucking disaster. That is not the point though. The point is that facts are subordinate to your narrative which is in service to your agenda. Your new nickname is “Weiner Henry”. I’m sorry. It is true. It is true. It is true.

    God bless you though.

  182. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Saw an enhanced video where Kyle runs through lot. Joseph starts chasing him, Kyle turns and shoots him and then runs around car shoots some more and then walks over to body. The first shots killed Joseph.

    I see right wing folks are now going after the victims. They say Joseph was a sex offender, must have been some more of those secret indictments being served.

  183. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Given your correct view of the murder where was the self-defense? Kyle stops turns and shoots. He could/should have kept running. He stopped and turned to kill. He believed he was deputized by the police.
    Since you are a visual guy, and dont have time to read what admittedly is a heavy read, try watching Z a 1969 movie by Costa-Gravas.
    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0065234/

  184. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Can you share the enhanced video?

  185. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Weiner Henry? Got to help me with that. Are you implying that Im a male JH? She would take extreme offense.

  186. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    I think it was pulled down. It was an enhanced side by side of the two videos running simultaneously. Really helped me see the scene much better, but went back into my history and two vids I watched have been pulled Only having a smart phone makes for a small screen these days.

  187. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Form not content. It was trying to insult you (not her) for what it is worth. Sorry.

  188. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Im a doltish drunken worker, being compared to a scion of the ruling class is insulting after all.

  189. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

    The first shot did not kill Joseph. The first shot was from a 3rd party pistol in the air (Glock guy?). Study the photo in the NYT article and then watch the video from the same angle. The guy labeled “lunging guy” is Joseph. You still do not get it.

    1)Joseph is on camera threatening the the militia earlier. Skateboard guy was his friend. Glock guy was right there with them when Joseph was harassing the militia.

    2) For unknown reasons Kyle was fleeing from Joseph. Joseph continued to chase Kyle. Kyle stopped running away as he ran into sort of a dead end.

    3). Around the same moment Kyle stopped running he turned.l and the first shot from a 3rd party handgun was shot into the air.

    4) Joseph continued to run toward Kyle. Kyle has his gun pointed at Joseph. Joseph was charging Kyle within 3 feet when Kyle shot him. Head shot.

    That is what Joseph was doing before he got shot. Joseph was threatening militia members, chasing Kyle, attacking Kyle and not doing a very good job dodging a bullet.

  190. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Next question: What was skateboard guy doing right before he got shot?

  191. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Oh your forensic acoustic expertise at work. And how have you determined there was a second shooter?
    I think he called mom who was also one of the armed vigilante. We will probably see some aiding and abetting charges soon

  192. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Is Kyles dad a Kenosha County deputy sheriff inquiring minds want to know.

  193. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    It is always necessary to have eye witnesses to berify video evidence. Contained in article is only eye witness account I have see.n
    https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/rittenhouse-charged-with-multiple-counts-of-homicide/article_31db7e5b-3b1c-5a2f-97f7-30dca0d1b8e2.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

  194. stupid hick
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    EOS: “A list of pedophiles became unsealed and here’s what’s been happening while you all were distracted.”

    [ Democrat names x 45 ]

    “And yet they say it takes some kind of conspiracy nut to think that the Democrats have a problem with pedophilia.”

    EOS, I’m not at all here to defend Democrats, and definitely not pedophiles, but out of epistemological curiosity what is the exact source of the information you posted? I ask because I’ve seen the same meme, yet the list of names included an equal number of Democrats and Republicans.

    If you google any of the examples (any complete sentence, and put quotes around it to narrow the results to exact matches) you will find multiple references to the same meme. Is your conclusion about pedophilia being a Democrat problem based on a reading of a variant of the meme which excludes all the Republican names?

  195. Wobblie
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-supremacists-militias-infiltrate-us-police-report?fbclid=IwAR1SEPKcjw-dB_0RD1sunVRlDdmB6lu1T-Xcct-NfYOz4hXd6upv8OIQ_uQ

  196. EOS
    Posted August 27, 2020 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Stupid Hick,

    I copied the list from a Facebook post. I realized at the time that there were certainly Republican pedophiles, but was shocked by the long list of Democrat names. I did a Google search as you suggested and found a link to a list of both Dems and Reps. The enormity of this abuse sickens me.

    I was wrong to pass on the list of exclusively Democratic names. I am sorry for suggesting it is only a Democratic problem.

  197. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Saw a great sign,
    Judging demonstrations by its most violent participants but not judging a police force by its most violent cops is the language of oppressors.

  198. iRobert
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    So, EOS, are you going to paste the list of Republican pedophiles? Or have you joined the effort to conceal that half of the list?

    Republican pedophiles thank you for you cooperation.

  199. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    The medical examiner found that Rosenbaum was shot in the groin and back —
    Three separate gun shot wounds. The one to the head was non-fatal the one to the back killed him.
    Hard to know how shooting some one in the back can become self-defense.

  200. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Did Kyle shoot a standing Joseph from 30 feet away? Yes or no? In the video you were almost certainly confusing a journalist for Kyle. You were also confusing Kyle for Joseph! You have not gotten anything right yet. So pardon me but may I ask for the source/ link of the report that he was shot in the back?

    Also note: I am collecting facts and dispelling your non-facts. I am not making judgments even though I am the one with facts. You are the one making judgements with non-facts. What you are doing. What you always do is pure irresponsible stupidity!

  201. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Im just quoting the medical examiner’s finding about cause of death.
    Go read the Newspaper.
    No systemic racism in Kenosha

    https://www.google.com/am
    p/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/5645279002

  202. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    The link does not work.

    You have been caught repeating bs you saw on reddit (or who knows where) before. Remember your confusing a 2020 non existent Lansing Michigan Nazi for a 2017 Bernie supporter pretending to be a Nazi in Oregon? I apologize if my policy is to fact check everything you say.

    Is it still your story that Kyle shot Joseph from 30 feet away while Joseph was standing still. Yes or no?

  203. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    You call me irresponsible but I see no outrage only acquiescence, in LE condoning, or at worst collaborating with a “citizens militia” a paramilitary organization was given free reign to attack, intimidate and ultimately murder other folks.
    If this was a neighborhood fight in West Willow would you feel the same?

  204. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Rosenbaum literally asked to be shot. “Shoot me nigga!”

  205. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    HW you also good with private paramilitaries roaming the streets? Iran uses them , those evil Chinese used them in Hong Kong. MAGA

  206. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    When the police have their hands tied citizen militias and private armed citizens will fill the void to protect property from a mob and all the dangers that a mob entails. I am not saying it is the *preferable* thing. I am saying it is an inevitable fact.

    If someone in any neighborhood did NOT shoot a standing person from 30 yards away I would not go around saying it happened—like you did. . You and many others on ColuMbo.com are revolutionaries— Mr. Bean style.

    All the little clues HW, EOS and FF give you are actually against our own political self-interest. We try to correct you Mr Bean revolutionaries but you keep shooting yourselves in the foot despite the help we try to give you. Did you guys learn nothing from Sandmann? Do I need to call Sandmann’s attorneys requesting that they teach ColuMbo a lil’ lesson?

    You tools are being used as you enable the use of youth (Some of which have good intentions). It really does not get more moronic.

    Recap: You don’t know the difference between a journalist with camera and a shooter shooting a gun. You do not know the difference between a shooter and a person getting shot. You claim to know how a person got shot but you can’t identify the person getting shot in the video that your supposed knowledge rests upon.

    Mr. Fucking Bean.

  207. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    So your answer is yes, you approve LE working with unregulated, unaccountable paramilitaries. That is exactly what the Brown Shirts, and the White Citizens Councils were. Thanks for proving my point about provocations. We have seen numerous examples of folks like these instigating looting, intimidation and threatening people on the streets.

  208. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Kenosha County Sheriff’s Department is the 3rd largest law enforcement agency in the state of Wisconsin.
    The city. Of Kenosha has 180 officers (1 for every 500 citizens). Then there is the university cops. They were able to put 150 riot police in the street before they received 150 National Guardsman. In none of the videos of protestors has there ever been more than a few hundred protesters. They declared a riot and then enforced the law discriminatory manner— most likely by design.
    This maybe our Kristallnacht.

  209. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    You approve of domestic terrorism.

  210. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    I remember when the Ypsi city Housing Authority had its own private “security”. They would role into the projects armed to the teeth. regularly accused of extortion, and providing protection for “preferred” drug dealers by tenants. Finally the Housing Authority was reorganized. That was with some accountability. Like all members of death cults you desire arbitrary unaccountable actions For fellow cult members. Death to the rest of us.

  211. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Good thing I have nothing to do with that then.

  212. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    I think when you repeat something that much it loses any impact it possibly could have had.

    death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult death cult

  213. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    What do they say at Skull & Bones initiations? You like them, right? No? You didn’t vote for Kerry?

    “The Hangman equals death, The Devil equals death, Death equals death!”

    I’m afraid everyone is under the influence of a death cult. Some of us want to destroy it but you think it is great and call us what you are.

  214. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Fascist are never in favor of the rule of law, until they get to decide what the law is—all totalitarian regimes look to these kind of paramilitaries to enforce compliance with the regime.
    A police force with the resources of the state could not id looters? Yeah right. They are still arresting looters from a couple of weeks ago in Chicago. They just picked up 8 people in Kenosha for “suspected intent to engage in illegal acts”. This has nothing to do with law and order the cops feel under attack and they evidently dont care about the rule of law at this point.

  215. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    My herbs motto for over 700 years has been VITA VIVEt

  216. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    You are the equivalent of a fascist. You like forcing social and political changes through violence. I am a free-thinking American who you hate for being in the way.

  217. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    “My herbs motto for over 700 years has been VITA VIVEt”

    Have another stroke there?

  218. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Interesting story on another killing by Kenosha pice as back drop to current events.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2020/8/28/michael_bell?fbclid=IwAR0Zi-QXtEtR5K-h8sdTKdunROLy23a2srkVqQ88fSCKv2B09S1rvMtWJEk

  219. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Kyle will not be able to claim self defense. In Wisconsin you can not use self defense if you were committing a crime. Kyle was in illegal possession of the weapon he used. That is one of the many charges he faces.

  220. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Thats kinda what happens when unaccountable private paramilitaries take the streets, so many crimes get committed you cant keep up with them.

  221. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Since you guys are all on board for private paramilitaries running our streets, how do you feel about extra-judicial death squads. Historically they seem to be attached at the hip. MAGA

  222. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Oh was he paid? No? Hm.

    I don’t think he should have been out there without even being old enough to have his weapon. I think it is nutty to harp on Rittenhouse while lefty terrorists run rampant burning down dem cities.

  223. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    So what do you know the police cant come up with any reasons for arresting Blake. What does paid got to do with it. I m sure their all racist volunteers.

    Your a little confused those cities in Ukraine
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/508510-trump-campaign-ad-criticized-as-misleading-over-photo-of-protesters-taken

  224. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    You are the one saying wacky shit about private paramilitaries. You think terrorists should run the streets.

  225. Wobblie
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Another one of your buddies. I guess you are not watching. To busy being in your fantasy land.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1231187?__twitter_impression=true

  226. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    I have nothing to do with boogaloos and neither does any Trump supporter. They want civil war like lefties. They want to kill federal agents.

  227. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Your peeps have the blood all over them. All those murders during BLM protests but you think you can smear Trump supporters. None of your shit works anymore.

  228. Anonymous
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29752776/lebron-james-nneka-ogwumike-teach-racism-problem-country

  229. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 28, 2020 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Kyle Rittenhouse put out a dumpster fire. That’s why the crowd led by Rosenbaum was after him. Anyone who says he was hunting people is a liar. Rosenbaum tried to grab his gun and got ventilated. Then they chased him and attacked him with weapons and some more of them got wasted.

  230. Jean Henry
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    “I think it is nutty to harp on Rittenhouse while lefty terrorists run rampant burning down dem cities.”– HW

    I think it’s nutty to equate property destruction to murder.

    Also the property destruction has been minimal despite the desperation of the Republican Party to spin it is worse than it is.

    Peaceful protest is legal; murder is not. We are focused on the murder of and violence towards Black Americans because that’s what the protests are addressing. And because it matters.

    The effort made to excuse this young man make the double standard clear.

  231. Jean Henry
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    HW describes the actual murders of actual human beings like it’s a video game.

  232. Wobblie
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    EOS you left this fine person out of your list child rapist

    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/ex-boston-police-union-pres-charged-with-raping-4-more-children/2183771/?fbclid=IwAR3_MM1Q_IVO3-DGgBGveLNJxKbcloP7tHE211nNrswFwHkKae7Ph70meG4

    Sensible people understand the need for police reform and civilian control.

  233. Wobblie
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    JH, you got to know I had nothing to do with the Faceless Fascist fact-less fantasy of me being a male version of you. We all know we have very different positions on most things. I would have thought we all would agree that lawless paramilitaries roaming our streets would be bad. To the Faceless Fascist it is just not his “preferred” method.

  234. Wobblie
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    The sheriff said he had been approached by members of a militia to deputize citizens with guns to patrol Kenosha, and he pointed to what happened on Tuesday as “probably the perfect reason why I wouldn’t” do so.

    Kyle had no more legal right to be on the street than the rioters. Under Wisconsin law you can not claim self defense while you are committing a crime. Just ask any gang banger in prison for shooting another gang banger in “self-defense”. Kyle was Guilty of at least three crimes when he killed his fellow rioters. He may have bee their ideological enemy but he was as much a rioter as any of the arsonist. You are either in favor of the same law and order for everyone or your just another Faceless Fascist.

  235. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Was Joseph standing 30 feet away when he got shot by Kyle? Yes or no?

    You ridiculed me about my assertion that there were multiple shooters and that the first shot did not come from Kyle’s gun. I did not provide more evidence at the time because it would have been way too difficult for you to track. This video is consistent with my video analysis, using different videos, and should be easy for you and your fellow MMr Bean revolutionary types to digest: Suck on this:

    https://youtu.be/3PjObeJ3ggs

  236. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    “I think it’s nutty to equate property destruction to murder.”

    Somehow you try to deny numerous BLM murders. It’s garbage.

  237. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    “HW describes the actual murders of actual human beings like it’s a video game.”

    It’s BLM and antifa that plays with human lives as if there are no consequences like in a game.

  238. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    The witness said shots were fired as Rittenhouse was evading them before ever fired. Angry mob after you and firing shots while trying to take your weapon; I think that is grounds for self-defense.

  239. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    “I think it’s nutty to equate property destruction to murder.”

    Somehow you try to deny numerous BLM murders. It’s garbage.

    We have already been through this. How is it possible you are still that far behind? It’s been murder and mayhem for months.

  240. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    “I think it’s nutty to equate property destruction to murder.”

    Although I believe in an individuals right to protect their property, it is not just property damage and theft. Assaults and murders are happening as well. Why are you trying to pretend otherwise?

  241. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    “The effort made to excuse this young man make the double standard clear.”

    I am collecting facts and challenging statements that are clearly not consistent with the evidence. I only care about the truth.

  242. Anonymous
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    If you only cared about the truth, then you wouldn’t be in this board at all. It’s more accurate to say that you care about the truth and about something else, whatever that something else might be. Maybe it’s to show the group of less than 10 regular posters that you are right, maybe it’s something else, I can’t say. MM.com is essentially Mark’s online diary open to public view. It’s a small editorial column with a limited local following.
    If you really wanted to stand up for the truth, locally, and reach a bigger audience, you might want to check out Reddit and r/AnnArbor or r/Ypsilanti, although most activity happens on r/AnnArbor. Who knows, maybe frostedflakes is still available as a handle.

  243. Wobblie
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    They do not care about the rule of law. If you go to a rumble and kill some one before they kill you your still guilty of murder. You guys like white boys playing Rambo under the cover of a riot better than white boys playing Che under the cover of a riot. No defense to either criminality. The death cult has no use for laws. You can analyze the videos to your hearts content it does not change anyones criminal behavior. That is why participating in riots is illegal, people use them to cloak illegal behavior.

  244. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    This board is particularly full of lies. Because of that it is a good place for truth exposure.

  245. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    “They do not care about the rule of law. If you go to a rumble and kill some one before they kill you your still guilty of murder. You guys like white boys playing Rambo under the cover of a riot better than white boys playing Che under the cover of a riot. No defense to either criminality. The death cult has no use for laws. You can analyze the videos to your hearts content it does not change anyones criminal behavior. That is why participating in riots is illegal, people use them to cloak illegal behavior.”

    You are talking about BLM right? That’s the only thing that makes sense. Rittenhouse can be heard asking protestors if anyone needs a medic before they turned on him. If you go around trying to kill people in a mob then people are going to protect themselves from you; instant karma.

  246. Wobblie
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    The first charge of reckless homicide is clearly related to the gang fight aspect of the first murder. The intentional homicide of the second murder was clear in that people had stepped back from him before he shot them. What was the justification for the subsequent shots fired at others on the street?

  247. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    What makes you people think it is okay to form into a MOB and try to kill people and sometimes succeed? Pretty fuckin’ wild shit I would say for all you self-proclaimed voices of reason.

  248. Wobblie
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    And then of course he was engaged in illegal activity the whole time he was there. He was illegally carrying in violation of curfew. That makes him a rioter. You either support the rule of law or not.

  249. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    He had to shoot them point blank so what are you talking about? They were right on him.

  250. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Cops can be heard thanking him and offering him water. Minor with a gun is a relatively minor charge. I would think it would be hard for you to call it a crime when you call destructive rioters peaceful protestors!

  251. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    One of the attackers had a drawn handgun by the way: Grosskreutz. If this isn’t self-defense there is no such thing.

  252. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Vague Guy,

    It is true that I am not ONLY interested in truth. I also like sandwiches and walks along the beach.

    You bring up an interesting notion about speaking the truth and audience size. Maybe I should not have tried to speak the truth this morning because it is was only with one person as we ate breakfast? Maybe I should not have tried to speak the truth on this blog with only 10 readers? Maybe I should not try to speak the truth on Ann Arbor reddit because there are only a hundred readers? Maybe I should not try to discover the Truth for myself because it is pointless to try to speak the discovered truth to such small numbers of people. For myself, for 1, for 10, for 100. What is the point of trying to discover the truth when in conversation with such a small number of people, right?

    Generally though, I think you are underestimating the value of this blog. It is a treasure trove of falsehoods and distilled propaganda. I am eternally grateful for its existence. Like HW, I want the content of this blog to live forever. I hope that HW is continuing to document the pages.

  253. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Kid just about shot the arm clean off an attacker with a handgun! That is amazing.

  254. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Shot the arm clean off *with a rifle* of an attacker with a handgun for those who are hazy on the details and easily confused.

  255. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    1) “The first charge of reckless homicide is clearly related to the gang fight aspect of the first murder.”

    Can you clarify what you mean by the “gang style” fight? What was Rosenbaum doing immediately before he got shot?

    2)” The intentional homicide of the second murder was clear in that people had stepped back from him before he shot them.”

    Skateboard guy and Glock guy were fleeing? That’s counterfactial and interesting considering you fail to take into account that Kyle was performing his legal “duty to flee” in each of the 3 shootings.

    3) “What was the justification for the subsequent shots fired at others on the street?”

    a) There is very strong evidence to suggest that Kyle did not shoot his gun at anyone after he killed Joseph and circled the car. You are making a foolish assumption.

    b) After Kyle shot skateboard guy and Glock guy he did not shoot his gun at the crowd. You are wrong. Another example that you are a proud member of the MMr Bean community of fact collectors.

  256. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Wobblie is in bizarro world with the rest of these psychos around here. They are always wrong in the end. Usually it takes no time at all.

  257. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    I think if you are like “What was the justification for the subsequent shots fired at others on the street?” and someone takes the time to inform you then you should thank the person in earnest and probably apologize for wasting everyone’s time with something you should have found out on your own. Instead you try to ignore it. Time-Wastin’, Misinfo-Sharin’ Wobblie.

  258. Jean Henry
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    https://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2020/08/did-you-see-photos-of-officers-supposedly-injured-last-weekend-in-nw-cities-the-facts-dont-check-out.html

  259. Wobblie
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Listen to what the police are saying over the loudspeaker. Tell me they say. We know from the affidavit that Rittenhouse and the journalist violated that police order and went out in to the riot zone. We also know from that affidavit that the journalist criticized the manner Rittenhouse was handling his weapon, two hypotheticals 1) he had the weapon safety off 2) he had the weapon in semi-auto fire mode.
    When Rittenhouse violated the police order he was heading out to RUUMBLE.
    You fascist will make as much propaganda and money off him as you can, the lawyers will strike a plea deal and Rittenhouse will get out of prison in time to collect SS.

  260. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    The title of the article: “Did you see pictures of cops supposedly injured?”

    No I did not and I seriously doubt Jean did either. From the article the photos were viewed 56k times on social media and shared 1.2k times. In contrast the article about the fake photos has 8 hours later been shared over 8k times.

    False information is bad. I am glad you caught this one Jean. Thank you . Did you have an overarching point you were trying to make?

  261. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    It’s amazing to think someone actually believes I am a fascist, let alone a whole cadre of dorks pushing it in concert.

  262. John Brown
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Wobbs, I’ll point out that on ARs there is only semi-auto fire. No other options. Safety on or off, yes, but to be even safer around civilians you would be carrying Isreali style without a round chambered. Unless you felt you’re going to want to shoot faster than you can rack a round. Which doesn’t take that much longer than flipping the safety down. But the inflammatory nature of his excursion in a charged environment was obviously looking for a reason to shoot. Therefore his weapon condition. Semi auto is great for rapid fire, especially with a smooth short reset trigger. How fast can you cycle your finger 0.5″? Pretty fast I’ll bet.

    I’m starting to think the unavailability of guns and ammo is more than market forces and actual collusion with the NRA and the industry to keep the our side from further gunning up now that some of us are finally realizing what we’re dealing with here.

  263. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    There was video just two days ago of a cop getting bricked in the head. To highlight disinformation in an attempt to obscure the reality is…fucked up. Sometimes disinfo is put out there so people like Jean who don’t understand logic can point to it and say “Look officers have not been injured!”

  264. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie! You are quite the character. Wow.

    WTF are you talking about man? Are you saying the first murder ought to be characterized as “gang style” because it was “ruuumble style”. Am I supposed to take that as some sort of clarification?

    He did not shoot his weapon into the crowd after he shot Glock Guys arm. Period. Are you still sticking to the idea that he did shoot his weapon into the crowd at that point? If you are that is clearly false. The more you comment the more you prove how confused you are as a person. It’s honestly amazing.

    God bless you though.

  265. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Why did he try to evade the group if he was the one looking for trouble. Pretty sure he was there to protect property and lives if need be.

  266. Jean Henry
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Did you have an overarching point you were trying to make?FF

    Not to you.

  267. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    “All Cops Are Bastards is not a prejudicial statement”—Jean Henry

    The article which identifies misinformation on social media, regarding photos of injured Australian officers has, within 8 hours, 15x more shares than the original social media post had in 4 days, which only had 1.2k shares. Great work Jean! We are in this war against lies together! The ColuMbo.com community is proud of your truth seeking and sleuthing. Violence against cops is a myth.

  268. Wobblie
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Have any of you bothered to look at the law. The legal presumption is clear. None of the rebuttals of those presumptions apply to Rittenhouse. His actions are no different than a gang banger. He will legally not be allowed to argue self defense you legal eagles. Once he headed down Sheridan he became an outlaw.

  269. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    So many myths but only one ColuMbo.com

    https://youtu.be/Yy5viFQ67-E

  270. Wobblie
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    For you legal beagles. Keep looking at the video

    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/III/48

  271. Jean Henry
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    FF– The ORIGINAL post was not the only way in which the images were shared. See, Copy/Paste) It had indeed gone viral on multiple platforms. If the rebuttal received more traction than the original that just means the truth wins the day.

    Now please go back to your defense of a racist murderer.You are winning so many points for conservatives! Just keep digging yourself deeper into that pit. It’s not a waste of your energy to spend hours here arguing with half interested liberals. Really. That’s a great use of your political energy. Keep making the chang man.

  272. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 29, 2020 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    How disgusting to accuse someone else of being racist with no evidence. And to call someone a murderer who was protecting his life against a mob – it’s horrible. Trying to smear him, trying to smear us, the President…You are a smear artist. That is all you do. That’s all any of you people do. I love destroying your ugly smear art.

  273. Wobblie
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    HW is very comfortable in his fantasy bubble where laws dont matter only his imagination. First they support a lawless President, now they support gang bangers roaming the streets engaging in fire fights and rummbling with gangs.
    We have laws for these kinds of creeps. They think Wisconsin is like Florida or Texas. Prior to that Fascist Walker trying to wreck the state Wisconsin was civilized. They still have laws to protect them from psychotic who think violence is the solution
    Whinny ass little white boys cant grasp how Rittenhouse’s actions disgust most Americans.

  274. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    Stop trying to GASLIGHT, fool. It’s not working. It’s not ever going to work.

  275. Jean Henry
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    You are being PLAYED HW. All Trump cares about is re-election. He doesn’t;t even have a platform or agenda. And making you believe those protests are violent and unlawful (when in fact they by and large are not) improves his chances for re-election. KellyAnne Conway says so:
    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/social-unrest-white-house-s-kellyanne-conway-gives-away-game-n1238663

  276. Jean Henry
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    “From this country’s founding history; its economic base, its social standard, its penal system, its protection of property…⁣

    White Supremacy and Racial Prejudice are its Pre-existing Conditions.⁣

    Change is here. #BlackLivesMatter”

    Chadwick Bozeman

  277. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Fuckin’ gaslighter. I think you are so brainwashed you don’t even know you are doing it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws-ttX7Ksoo

  278. Jean Henry
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    You offer a pasted to gather video montage as evidence? Data exists HW. There are NLG legal observers out at every major protest and at any protest where conflict is expected. When is conflict expected? When police in that area have a history of violently shutting down protests. Or when the protestors plan to illegally occupy a public space. You, like the president seem to confuse winning with being right and offer suffer the delusion of believing you are winning when you ar not. I truly feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with you in every day life.

  279. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    What the fuck are you trying to say? People are dying and getting their bodies broken out there. It’s reality. Where you stick your head all the time?

  280. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    They shot a Trump supporter in cold blood last night in Chicago for no apparent reason. You are mentally ill I promise.

  281. Jean Henry
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    A protestor ws also shot and killed in Portland last night.

    HW you are seeing only one side of the story. Things are escalating for sure. Due largely to increasing federal and local police crack downs.

    As Kellanne told us, Trump benefits from increasing violence. Somehow he has you all convinced that he will be able to mainatain order that he’s not maintaining now if he gets a second term… The only way he can do that is to get his supporters to believe in a good guys and bad guys narrative which you and other Trumpers here parrot every day.

    Pathetic.

  282. Jean Henry
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Here’s some actual data on violent protests for you and your cronies HW.: https://acleddata.com/special-projects/us-crisis-monitor/

  283. Nobody
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    I was out for a walk with my aussie a few months back and a fella slows down in his car. His window is down and he shouts at me “That’s an ugly ass dog!” and then after a breif pause to cogitate he looks at me and blurts out “Bitch!” to make sure he knew the insult was directed at me. My inner pollack was looking for a rock to smash his fucking back window out, but years of practice kicked in and I took a deep breath. I managed to not even shout back. I was pissed off though…. my lid was flipped.

    I had been reading about Sinead O’Conner’s struggles earlier that week and listening to her music. There is a video of her performing on a british late night show a few months after she ripped up the picture of the Pope on SNL. It is the Prayer of Saint Francis, my confirmation saint.

    So, I started to sing the prayer of st francis in my head at first. And then I started singing it out loud… even as people passed me. I’d exchange smiles and hellos and just keep singing. It is a powerful prayer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJVeXC2JmDU

    and here is another link on the subject of the difference in decisions made when your lid is flipped… and ways to prep so that you can navigate stiuations when your lid flips….

    https://www.npr.org/2019/11/27/783495595/in-the-heat-of-the-moment-how-intense-emotions-transform-us

  284. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Portland is the one I meant. He was a counter-protestor that was shot by one of your mostly peaceful protestors. Watch the video. They go “We got a Trumper right here!” Then a man walks up and shoots him down and walks away.

  285. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    So you lie and you should admit it.

  286. Posted August 30, 2020 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    HW, when someone points out that you are bat-shit crazy, it is NOT gaslighting if it is true and boy is it TRUE! Shew-we!

    What is disturbing though is how widespread this cult mentality is. Worse is the realization that Trump is not the cause but is the symptom and the disease is ultimately white and male supremacy.

  287. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    But talking about me being batshit crazy as if it is a fact is a fine example of gaslighting. I put up video evidence and you flat deny it. That is what is crazy.

  288. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    An accurate synopsis/ overview of the larger pattern requires a familiarity with the individual cases. My method is to wait for the MMr Bean revolutionaries to highlight individual examples which they think fit into the greater pattern. The problem for you is it usually never seems to work out for you—because you guys are extraordinarily biased half of the time. The other half of the time you are ignorant. You are well versed and faithful to your narrative though. The truth of individual concrete particulars events is subordinated to your narrative.

    Compare the logic on display here with the “logic of bigotry” I have caught you guys employing many times. It’s the same.

    Luckily people are evolving to recognize that the bigot-logic-mode of being is not smart or sustainable. Members of the MMr Bean Revolutionary team are dying off or flipping sides as they pass into more evolved ways of thinking.

    God bless an evolving America

  289. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Sorry,

    I did a bad job being consistent with my pronouns.

    You=MMr Bean revolutionaries

  290. wobblie
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Faceless Fascist, have you bothered to educate yourself about the laws governing self-defense in Wisconsin?
    We know you are in favor of testosterone driven children roaming our streets with semi-automatic weapons. Should they be given immunity for the mayhem they cause?

  291. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Why do you like bloodthirsty fuckin’ mobs, dude? You try to protect them and demonize someone defending their life against them.

  292. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    BLM celebrating the execution

    https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/1299962034675765252

  293. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    1) “have you bothered to educate yourself about the laws governing self-defense in Wisconsin?”

    Yes, a bit.

    2)” We know you are in favor of testosterone driven children roaming our streets with semi-automatic weapons. Should they be given immunity for the mayhem they cause?”

    You can’t know what is not true. You act like you are making a point. It is very strange. I have made zero assertions about Kyle’s legal culpability or innocense beyond me saying that he was seen performing a general “duty to flee”. Feel free to attack that assertion with evidence of you want.

    Do you really think I am going to enter into a conversation about the APPLICATION of laws to the specific acts Kyle committed with you? What would be the point? You have proven that you have no sense of what took place. You have proven that you are incapable of correctly distinguishing 1) the shooter from a cameraman; 2) the shooter from the person shot; 3) not shooting into the crowd versus shooting into a crowd; 4) attacking someone versus fleeing from someone; 5) 3feet versus 30 feet; 6) Running toward versus standing still; 7) performing a duty to flee versus aggressively stalking.

    I think you might be dumb. So no. I will not be discussing the APPLICATION of Wisconsin law with you. Sorry. I might change my mind if you showed even a basic understanding of what happened.

  294. wobblie
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    I do not rely upon my personal observations. I will rely upon the District Attorney to do his/her duty.

  295. Jean Henry
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    HW— we are in the high point of an
    Election year with an incumbant president at risk of losing his seat and desperate to win re-election who benefits (according to his own advisor and former campaign manager) from escalating violence and tension in the streets.

    And you do not believe your perception of supposed
    ‘Terror and destruction’ in cities is being manipulated.

    God you are really gullible. Any reasonable person would at least be able to acknowledge that their outrage and fear is being stoked by Trump and his media supporters.

    Even FF with his ‘reasoned’ analytic approach spending hours reviewing video footage only serves to prove how confirmation bias dogs in its heels on false narratives when they are questioned. Logic that is one sided is inherently flawed and can produce well reasoned conclusions that are simply wrong. This has been well demonstrated by social scientists.

    And yes it’s true on both sides of the political divide. I just have yet to hear you all concede any vulnerability to Compelling but false political narratives, while we on the left here openly critique one another at length. Or we used to until this forum became dominated by the corrupted thinking of Trump cult members. I know you all don’t agree on everything but I have rarely heard you question one another. The entire thing is shallow and self-reemfircing.

    Pathetic.

  296. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    What are you talking about? There is video evidence for everything I have said. You are just barreling ahead without looking where you are going.

  297. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    For example you just said a protestor got shot and killed in Portland. I would say counter-protestor: It was a BLM peaceful protestor who killed the man just for being a Trumper. Your movement is executing Americans over political beliefs. This is not the only one and if you include all acts of violence it becomes a mountain of violent crime.

  298. wobblie
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Force the slaves back to work and this is the results.
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-29/foster-farms-to-temporarily-close-poultry-plant-where-eight-workers-have-died

    the death cult at work MAGA

  299. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    “Logic that is one sided is inherently flawed and can produce well reasoned conclusions that are simply wrong.”

    Attack the truth claims that you think are/ or might lead to wrong conclusions then. Your arguments are conclusion heavy with little to no supporting evidence. Your critique of logic is laughable because you almost always employ logical forms without any sort of vetting of investigative CONTENT. Your logic mostly consists of an empty framework. All skeleton. No meat. You share links that undermine the very conclusions you cling to all the time. Yet you are oblivious to it.

    The ironic thing is that, if you re-read, what I wrote here, I am not drawing conclusions in this discussion. I am attempting to establish the facts , that occurred, within a concrete and particular event. And then I am attempting to compare those facts to the specific narrative that is being spun. Wobblie is giving me his narrative of the specific event and he is also giving his evidence for his narrative. I am performing the role of collector. The problem for Wobblie is the facts do not at all lineup with his narrative about this specific event. Likewise your critique of logic being employed ought to be suspect because I am not attempting to draw conclusions about Kyle’s culpability or innocense. I am pointing out that many in the MMr Bean community are deeply confused/ ignorant people. Yet they are faithful to their narrative. And that is a dangerous combo.

    Within this conversation showing I am reaching wrong conclusions would involve you showing Wobblie is not totally full of shit here. Good luck with that.

  300. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Whenever I hear you talk about “logic” I always imagine you passing a bong around in a circle of spaced out friends. Critique of logic dude! Yeah! [gurgle gurgle] That’s deep man! [exhale]

    God bless you though.

  301. Jean Henry
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    I have smoked pot less than 10x in my life. My friends do indulge quite often but then everyone does these days. Pot is not a partisan issue. Try again,

    Meanwhile your compatriot here, whom you never criticize, is always stoned and talks about murderous violence like it’s a video game. #logic

  302. Jean Henry
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    FF– I really cannot be bothered to engage you more deeply. I know that just confirms your bias further but I simply can’t afford the time. There are just not enough miserable lonely and under-engaged people out there to satisfy your need for online engagement.
    You and HW should just talk amongst yourselves.
    I have a chronic illness and if it leaves me on the couch for days/weeks in a row again maybe I’ll circle back around with you on one of your ridiculous takes.
    Feel free to cross your fingers and wish.

  303. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Chronically full of shit right, Jean?

  304. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    You try to say other people are deluded for talking about REAL violence.

  305. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    I am not accusing you of being a pot smoker though.

    I am accusing you of over the years demonstrating a pattern of employment of a very low level logic that is the same kind of logic dumb bigots use. I am accusing you of being oblivious to your use of bigot logic whereas it is crystal clear to me and others here.

    I find it humorous when you take it a step further and actually give others lectures on the proper use of logic given your obvious impairment. You simply do not know what you are talking about.

  306. Jean Henry
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    B-b-b=but my parents went to Harvard….

    Wahhhh!

    You and your friends HW and EOS are friggin; geniuses! I concede. You win.

  307. Wobblie
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Those who have seen the video of the Kenosha Police interactions with Rittenhouse, can see the obvious corruption of that force. Baby face Kyle ( it does not look like there is even fuss on that chin) was never asked by LE , “Hey Kid, can I see your Wisconsin fire arms ID. I’m sure your legal, but you look young and this could become a volatile situation “. If LE had done its job, 2 would not be dead and how many now ruined—
    Now imagine Kyle was from the south side of chicago strutting around with a high powered weapon. White privilege? Corrupt police?

  308. Wobblie
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wisconsin-lawmaker-says-he-saw-white-supremacists-come-to-kenosha-vandalizing-and-to-hurt-protesters/ar-BB18oU7k?fbclid=IwAR3zGzXVs7UERnitzDTnGrdMY0o8HtFHUgv2kG-tgo8-rNPTo43F0OhMeaE

  309. Wobblie
    Posted August 30, 2020 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    JH maybe you will share.

    https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1vEKQJswOZqbQicGgv2n0Ay-NtNCZB5xBz2qce5i4ef8/mobilebasic

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