I thought we could discuss Trump’s new health plan today — the one he promised to have signed into law yesterday — but apparently it doesn’t exist yet… In Trump’s defense, he’s only had 3.5 years.

Before the election in 2016, Donald Trump promised the American people “something terrific” to replace the Affordable Care Act. “You’re going to have such great health care, at a tiny fraction of the cost — and it’s going to be so easy,” he said. Of course, it never came to fruition.

Now in office for three-and-a-half years, Donald Tump has still to offer an alternative to Obamacare, let alone one that would provide “insurance for everybody,” like he repeatedly promised. Instead, his administration has done the opposite, seeking repeatedly to strike down the protections for preexisting conditions afforded under Obama’s signature legislation.

Now, with a new election around the corner, it looks as though Donald Trump is back at it, telling people that a great new health care system is right around the corner. Two weeks ago, in an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News, Donald Trump promised that, by August 2nd, he’d have signed a “full and complete” health care plan into law. August 2nd, as you my know, was yesterday. And, guess what? There’s still no “phenomenal” new plan. The man who promised back in 2016 to give us a plan that would “take care of everybody,” and promised us two weeks ago that we’d have signed legislation today, has still yet to even offer even a the draft of a plan.

Well, as I’d blocked this evening to discuss Trump’s beautiful new plan, I’m not sure what to do… I guess, if we wanted, we could discuss this new video titled “Dear Michigan” instead… Or I’m open to other ideas.

Oh, I know, what about discussing Donald Trump’s absolute train wreck of an interview with Axios on how the U.S. COVID-19 death totals aren’t really as bad as they look?

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32 Comments

  1. Wobblie
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Here is a list of the billionaires that are financing the RNC voter suppression efforts.

    https://readsludge.com/2020/07/31/here-are-the-billionaires-funding-trumps-voter-suppression-lawsuits/?fbclid=IwAR0pslry1TaN_90wWbumBRp_Zf1p38o9eHf9ouNFYeuduDVrim_T8NJBKuE

  2. Anonymous
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-08-03/pandemic-trump-cruelty-covid19-coronavirus

    The record wouldn’t be complete without noting Trump’s assault on the Affordable Care Act, including his support of a federal lawsuit filed by Texas and other red states aimed at getting the ACA declared unconstitutional. Trump promised two weeks ago that he would have a replacement healthcare reform act ready to sign within two weeks — that is, Monday.

    Needless to say, no such venture exists. But millions of Americans face the loss of their health coverage, and uncertainty about what lies ahead, as long as the Trump administration works to undermine the coverage they have. Here, for sure, the cruelty is the point.

  3. Posted August 4, 2020 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    That Axios video is incredible.

  4. Anonymous
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    I mean, I think I know what happened in that interview, but I really want FF to do a tape analysis to explain to me what important point I missed because I didn’t see what really happened, and I really need HW to help me decode the hidden messages because I didn’t understand what was really being said.

  5. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    He can’t say the US number is fake, which it is or be will be destroyed as a conspiracy theorist.

  6. Anonymous
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump

    But is he or isn’t he? Help me out here. Which one of these are correct and which ones are incorrect?

  7. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    My takeaway was the Jonathan Swan is difficult to talk to. Always interrupting with quick quips. When Trump started talking about going to war in the Middle East was a mistake— he changed the subject entirely though:)

    7500 hundred people die in the US daily on average. The notion that testing a lot of people is going to have an effect on the number of deaths attributed to Covid seems pretty obvious. It is difficult to be certain how other countries are reporting/ attributing cause of death. That it is murky and not clear cut seems Soooo obvious. Not obvious to a young, rude, know it all punk, though, I guess.

    It’s sad if you think that interview was incredible iRobert.

  8. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Trump is incredibly stupid. The idiocy is stunning.

  9. Anonymous
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Are you claiming that Trump, the best reality television star ever, the stable genius, who has just replaced his advisory staff, made up of the best people, with another group of only the best, was duped into an interview with a second tier interviewer on a third tier news network? Or did he purposefully choose Mr. Swan to make a specific point? The whole segment comes off like an Alec Baldwin SNL skit. Not only does he dig a hole, he’s digging the bestest hole ever. It’s almost as he’s deciding to shrink his base to a core of true believers.

  10. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    The numbers are fake, HW? What would you estimate the actual numbers to be?

  11. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Here are the dozen counties with the most deaths per capita. The numbers are deaths per million population.

    1,238 San Marino
    850 Belgium
    680 UK
    673 Andorra
    609 Spain
    600 Peru
    582 Italy
    569 Sweden
    509 Chile
    481 USA
    464 France
    446 Brazil

  12. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    No Vague Guy. I do not think it was wise strategically for Trump to take the interview with Swan. Swan is clever and hostile so you don’t take the interview until you are 100% ready to convey the subject matter. The problem is Trump is never going to be ready because he is not very good at playing the expert about health stuf—because he is not.

    Trump is what he is. Biden is what he is. The truth is what it is . It seems so strange to me that adults would celebrate gotcha tactics and tactics designed to fluster rather than to get at a truth. We need interviews where we get to the truth of what the other person is trying to say. Trump is slippery for sure. It’s ok for an interviewer to try to keep him on topic and answer questions but Swan seemed to just want to fluster. Know it all prick who probably still does not want to admit that covid death attribution inevitably differs amongst different countries (partially because of testing differences) and therefore statistical comparisons can be murky.

    Have you read the Shawn Henry testimony yet? It’s old news to several of us here.

  13. Wobblie
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    7500 deaths a day whats another 1000 or two. These people are psychotic in the way they dismiss preventable deaths. But we have seen the death cult at work for years. Totally oblivious to the pain and suffering their short sighted profit driven policies are creating. The horrendous way in which Trump has handled the pandemic has wrecked the economy without stopping the spread of the virus. The worst of all outcomes. Look at the debacle MLB is, and they think it is a good idea to force in-person schooling.
    October is likely to be the month from hell.

  14. Anonymous
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-tour-centers-disease-control-prevention-atlanta-ga/

    Trump on coronavirus:

    I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, “How do you know so much about this?” Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for President.

  15. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Vague Guy,

    The thing I can’t figure out is how someone (you)could be so obtuse and/ or evasive about the details in a field they claim to be in. Trump is an old man. Maybe he had a capacity for health studies when he was young? He did not go that route. What is your excuse?

  16. Anonymous
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/transcript-fox-news-sunday-interview-with-president-trump

    Trump on the importance of the death rate in a different interview:

    WALLACE: I’m, I’m going to do you a favor, because I’m sure a lot of people listening right now are going to say, “Trump, he tries to play it down, he tries to make it not being as serious as it is.”

    TRUMP: I don’t play it — I’m not playing — no, this is very serious.

    WALLACE: 75,000 cases a day.

    TRUMP: Show me the death chart.

    WALLACE: Well, I don’t have the death chart.

    TRUMP: Well, the death chart is much more important.

  17. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    How far off do you estimate the numbers are, HW?

  18. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Vague Guy,

    The thing about true experts in a field is they, insofar as they value forwarding truth and understanding , take the statements of people out of their field of expertise and they help make sense of the statements of the less informed person. You know for increasing understanding all around. What do you reckon the “death chart” might be referring to there? I ask because it seems like you are trying to imply that Trump wanted to focus on “the death chart”as a part of the general population with Wallace but not with Swan.

  19. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    It would have been more appropriate for Trump to do an interview with Steve Swan.

  20. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    What I found incredible about the interview was that Trump doesn’t seem to be able to grasp even the simplest things.

    I do think many in the media try to make it seem as though the US is all by itself in pandemic disaster, when it certainly is not. That’s why I posted the list of the worst dozen countries when it comes to reported deaths.

    The US is in a similar situation as a number of other countries. Speaking about the US statistics as though we are way out there beyond anything anyone else is experiencing is very misleading.

  21. Wobblie
    Posted August 6, 2020 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    IRobert that is an interesting list. What the list does not tell you, is the trend pattern. For example despite San Marino being number one, they have mot had a new infection in over a month. Other than Brazil the other countries have had spikes which they brought under control, snd their trend lines are heading towards containment.
    The three countriestrending towards uncontrollable spread are the US, Brazil India and Russia—information from places like Peru and South Africa (As well as other African counties) is not particularly reliable.
    Objectively no country has done worse at this point to contain the spread than the US. MAGA

  22. Wobblie
    Posted August 6, 2020 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    The Bahamas tried reopening. They began letting US citizens in and Cases have sky rocketed. They are now reimposing the lockdown and curfews that brought the virus under control in April ( only essential workers working we are talking no leaving your immediate property, no carryout food service, reduced hours of operations for essential services and a 12 hour daily curfew’, no inter-island travel). Death and destruction where ever Americans go.
    I think travelers from the US are currently banned from 115 countries. Many of those that allow us require 14 Day quarantine upon arrival.

  23. EOS
    Posted August 8, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Did you listen to the Health Care initiatives that Trump will implement? We will no longer pay jacked up prices for pharmaceuticals, but only the lowest amount paid by other countries. Currently we often pay upwards of $10.00 a pill for some medications that persons in other countries get for a dime. We will manufacture all our necessary pharmaceuticals in our own country. He is reducing the red tape that prevents businesses from building factories. He will mandate that all insurance companies pay for pre-existing conditions. Is anybody opposed to those needed changes?

  24. Anonymous
    Posted August 8, 2020 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Sounds like a communist plot where insurance companies are driven out of business to make way for a government health plan.

  25. Lynne
    Posted August 8, 2020 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    EOS, I will believe it when I see it. It isn’t a terrible plan but I can’t imagine that Trump’s friends in the pharmaceutical business are going to go along with it.

  26. EOS
    Posted August 8, 2020 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Lynne,

    That’s the beauty of capitalism. Where there is a demand someone will step forward with a supply of goods. If the pharmaceutical companies don’t want to give up their excessive profits, Trump will lower the barriers that impede other businesses from competing.

  27. Posted August 8, 2020 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    The pharmaceutical industry will not allow any changes that would decrease their profits. Trump would have done it three years ago if it were possible.

  28. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 8, 2020 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Trump be giving out dat free money.

  29. Anonymous
    Posted August 8, 2020 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    https://www.npr.org/2020/08/07/899937565/all-bark-and-no-bite-trump-holds-prescription-drug-pricing-order-in-search-of-de

    Multiple sources said some quiet conversations are happening now, but it’s not clear how serious they are. In an earnings call, the CEO of Pfizer said if implemented the executive order would lead to American job losses and said he didn’t see much need for a White House meeting.

    The lack of urgency may come from experience. Trump has been talking about variations on this idea for nearly two years. He rolled out something called an “international pricing index” with much fanfare right before the midterm elections in 2018.

    “This is a revolutionary change,” Trump said at the time. “Nobody’s had the courage to do it, or they just didn’t want to do it.”

    But then it languished. Nine months later, it still hadn’t gone into effect, and Trump said he would be “announcing something very shortly, a ‘favored-nations’ clause.”

    Now, another year later, Trump signed that executive order, but he’s telegraphing that he’s open to alternatives.

  30. Wobblie
    Posted August 8, 2020 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Like EOS, (whose growing catalogue of already forgiven sins just keeps growing) Trump is a shameless liar. Only other charlatans, liars and tribalist believe, or say, they believe what he says.

  31. Posted August 9, 2020 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    Here are the dozen counties with the most deaths per capita. The numbers are deaths per million population. Brazil has now overtaken France, and the USA is about to cross the 500 deaths per million mark.

    1,238 San Marino
    851 Belgium
    686 UK
    673 Andorra
    631 Spain
    610 Peru
    582 Italy
    570 Sweden
    523 Chile
    498 USA
    473 Brazil
    464 France

  32. EOS
    Posted August 9, 2020 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Anyone who denies that they sin is a liar. Before I became a Christian, I thought that the people in the church didn’t sin and thought that they were better than others because of it. But I’ve come to find out that it is the people outside of the church that take great offense that any of their behaviors might be considered sinful. Christians are those who acknowledge that they are sinners.

    Somehow you seem to think that believing one’s sins are forgiven is a negative trait.

    The forgiveness of sins is a promise of God. If you have the faith to believe the promise you are saved. There’s nothing in the Bible that says if you walked down a church aisle at an invitation as a child, then you are saved. Or if you are confirmed by the right denomination, you are saved. I don’t usually quote scripture, but will make an exception for you.

    Jesus came to heal sinners. Jesus saves. You cannot save yourself, you cannot be good enough, you cannot do anything to merit God’s favor.

    “For by grace you have been saved, through FAITH, and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.” Eph 2:8-10

    “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever BELIEVES in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” John 3:16

    “Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who BELIEVES in me will live even if he dies.” John 11:25

    For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 6:23

    That if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and BELIEVE in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Rom 10:9 – 10

    There are a lot more scriptures that also speak to this issue. You are saved by faith, not by going to confession and having a priest tell you to say 3 Hail Marys or whatever, and making sure you receive the last rites before you draw your last breath. Sadly, many people reject the church as an institution with too many rules and too much guilt. This is a distortion of the truth. Christ’s death on the cross gave us freedom and joy. That’s why it’s a Good Friday.

    Open the Bible and read it daily. Ask God to reveal the truth to you.

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