I have not died. I have, however, moved on to a better place… at least temporarily. The internet at our house has been down for the past several days, so I’ve been staying away from the news, and going to bed early. And, after 18 years of obsessive nighttime workaholism and OCD-driven blogging, I’m finding it really nice to just lay around and read from my long-neglected Agatha Christie library. Still, tough, I can’t stop thinking about you. And, with that in mind, I wet out early this morning to find enough wifi to put up an open thread, so that you can start discussing whatever it is that’s happening in the world right now, as I’m at home listening to old time radio programs with my son, imaging that the world isn’t really coming to an end.
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The Media continues to misinform people about the trumpvirus. We have known since March (thanks to The Chinese sharing everything they know about the virus) that the virus can survive on surfaces including cardboard for hours, and in the right environment foe days. Despite growing evidence that the virus survives on frozen food packaging, the media keeps repeating that you cant get the virus from eating contaminated food. The class bias of the news is obvious. Rich people dont handle packaging as packing, warehouse, distribution , or food prep workers—the very folks who get exposed.
The death cult does not care about working folks. Sanitize your frozen packaging before handling.
Lynne. Viruses do not have cell membranes so cold does not really effect them. Read something the other day that they discovered some 6000 year old virus in ice cores.
Side by side comparison of Trump made in China hats vs. US union made Biden hats.
https://m.investorshangout.com/post/view?id=5860464
Wobblie obviously wants a Chinese made “Joe” hat. Shouldn’t be a problem. Then we can do a side by side comparison with Wobblies’ hat and a Trump hat that is made in the USA—and it will prove absolutely nothing.
#fakebook
Yes wobblie, had I stopped to think about it, I would have realized that since I do know that it is possible to freeze viruses. The good news is that you can’t catch COVID from *eating* contaminated food but you can catch it by handling the packaging. This is, of course, why it is important to not only make PPE available to workers who handle packages but also it is important to require them to use it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0rS1LtpUA
I just wear a Che beret (or an Ypsi Braves baseball cap) but thanks for the offer.
The beret of course is regulation People’s Liberation Army Navy, so it has the little sizing tassel in the back. The baseball cap is custom fitted. Given to me by the last of the Braves.
Lynne,
Why do you think it is not possible to get COVID if you put it in your mouth? Because if you handle contaminated packaging, you wouldn’t be infected through the skin on your hands, but by touching your mouth or eyes.
And if we give workers gloves to wear while handling packages, it won’t be of any use if they use their gloved hands to adjust their mask or scratch their eyes.
The PPE used just gives the wearer a false sense of security. I have family members who actually think they are safe when they wear a bandana or cloth mask over their mouth and nose and stay 6 feet away from others. The people who work with lethal viruses in the lab use a glove box to keep it contained and still wear biohazard suits with bubbles over their heads supplying purified air.
Because too lazy to cook for herself.
Because likes to sit at sidetrack and drink alcohol.
Because her world is ordered/organized/rationalized in relation to how it makes her feel.
Because Princess Cassandra.
You are going to have a lot of catching up to do when you get back, Mark. The Harris birtherism alone is going to take you days to work through.
Suggestion that our Trumpers save their righteousness re virus protection and safety for their own kind as their wisdom may be better received there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaqTCj44Wvg
JH,
Unlike yourself, Trump supporters are not collectivists who categorize people into “kinds”. One race – the human race – created in God’s image. My “kind” is all of mankind.
EOS. You are absolutely right. That is why the utter failure of Trump and his death cult to work to contain and crush the virus so contemptible. You see the results and support the death cult//you are the contemptible ones—Biden and Harris can use that one— they could use all sorts of modifiers for different occasions
Contemptible granny killers
Contemptible virus spreaders
You get the idea, feel free to use.
Wobblie,
It is not possible for humans to contain and crush the virus. It will eventually run its course. Individuals are free to take whatever means they deem necessary to avoid infection or to prepare for the afterlife. Do you think Biden will be able to protect you from his basement? Why would anyone stake their life on a politician?
EOS, do you think your kind will be able to disrupt the USPS sufficiently enough to proclaim the election a disaster?
EOS: “It is not possible for humans to contain and crush the virus. It will eventually run its course.”
“Eventually” is the key word in your statement. The time the virus takes to run through the population is extremely variable depending upon how the situation is handled.
The spread of the virus can be slowed significantly and without shutting down the economy. Slowing the virus’ spread through the population keeps medical personnel and facilities from being overwhelmed. When they are overwhelmed, more people die than would otherwise.
Why would they need to do anything? Has the USPS been efficient in the last 25 years? Who here feels comforted when told the check is in the mail?
The vast majority of Americans want a fair election without any fraud or cheating.
You can slow the spread of virus for a time, but when people leave their isolation to get food or otherwise live their lives, it spreads again. And the isolation itself is harmful.
I have read that China slowed the spread of the virus by locking exposed persons in their homes and by incinerating infected persons alive. It’s a lot harder to contain in a free society.
EOS: “Why would they need to do anything?”
The USPS was apparently still functioning too effectively for your kind, Trump.
EOS: “Has the USPS been efficient in the last 25 years? Who here feels comforted when told the check is in the mail?”
It has been operating sufficiently and the only reason to disrupt it now is to sabotage the election.
Do you think Trump’s sabotage of the USPS will be sufficient to sabotage the election?
In years only had one problem with Post Office losing mail. Since the trumpvirus, how long the mail takes to be processed and delivered has clearly become more erratic. As with all Government provided services under the death cult service has declined.
This is part of the privatization playbook. The contemptible granny killers have always wanted to steal as much from granny before killing her as possible
Who was Uncle Sam married too? I think I could work her in.
EOS: “You can slow the spread of virus for a time, but when people leave their isolation to get food or otherwise live their lives, it spreads again. And the isolation itself is harmful.”
False. Other countries have successfully been keeping their economies functioning for the most part while also flattening the curve enough to prevent their health care systems from being overwhelmed.
Isolation is not necessary for anyone but the vulnerable populations, as you have correctly pointed out.
EOS: “I have read that China slowed the spread of the virus by locking exposed persons in their homes and by incinerating infected persons alive. It’s a lot harder to contain in a free society.
Suggesting the choice is between no strategy and a police state is a straw man argument, and a very obvious one at that.
China obviously goes way beyond what any free society would want to do in order to flatten the curve. The only reason to talk about China is to present a straw-man argument. Nobody wants to be like China. That’s a given.
But it does appear your kind wouldn’t mind being like Belarus.
If your kind is successful in rigging an election by limiting access to voting, you will get the Armageddon you’re hoping for.
I am so stupid some times. Of course it is Lady Liberty who is the grandmother of Freedom. It is obvious that the contemptible death cult is waiting to pick over the carcass of Lady Liberty.
The contemptible death cult are like the grand children who argue about what their share of the inheritance will be while granny is still fit and fiddle.
Slowing the spread of the virus also buys time for significant advances to be made in treatments. That is why ignoring the threat and suggesting the warnings were a “hoax” in the first few months did so much damage.
Here are the updated numbers from the 7-Day moving averages of daily US deaths.
July 28th: 987
July 29th: 1,020
July 30th: 1,059
July 31st: 1,100
August 1st: 1,129
August 2nd: 1,130
August 3rd: 1,124
August 4th: 1,129
August 5th: 1,108
August 6th: 1,071
August 7th: 1,046
August 8th: 1,027
August 9th: 1,037
August 10th: 1,038
August 11th: 1,058
August 12th: 1,067
August 13th: 1,080
Wobblie,
Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty? She was a gift from the godless French.
http://yahushua.net/babylon/liberty/pagan_statue.htm
It’s so interesting: my world doesn’t seem to be ending; just beginning, rather.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1294323902966005760
Jamie Dupree
@jamiedupree
Here’s the indictment of the ex-FBI lawyer who falsified documents in the Russia probe. He is pleading guilty today in federal court.
What was that about me not ever winning arguments again? According to you derps, everything I said about FALSIFIED DOCUMENTS is deluded, conspeericy theery, bullshit, lies, etc. Hard to talk when you have to eat all those words! Here we go. Alright.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/how-to-test-every-american-for-covid-19-every-day/615217/
Interesting.
I like that incinerating people in there house lie EOS. Your open racism is contemptible. You just can’t fathom that a culture built on respect for the elderly might care more about grandma than your contemptible death cult.
My cult indoctrination taught me
http://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/MATT+23.html
Try to read carefully. They locked people in their homes if it was thought they had been exposed. Chained and padlocked their front door with no concern whether or not they had sufficient food to survive.
But the elderly, who tested positive and had a poor prognosis, were thrown into the incinerator along with anyone else who protested their treatment.
Mao killed more persons than the number of persons who died in all the wars in the history of the world. And those who survived paid homage to their Great Leader. My contempt for these practices has nothing to do with their race. As I said before, not everybody classified people according to their “kind”. Communism is a horrific form of government. Violence against innocent people is necessary to implement this type of government that few would accept without the threat of death.
Americans have been looting liquor stores and high priced retail establishments. Just wait and see how easy it’s going to be to contain the virus when the bread riots start and the mobs start attacking private residences to obtain the means for their families to survive.
Good news! Used Maynard’s amazon link to purchase a 3rd party “Biden” cap for Wobblie and it was made in China, with love, by a revered and respected Chinese great grandmother.
EOS – Re: food safety = It is my understanding that our digestive systems kill the COVID virus. Yes, you can still get it by touching surfaces and then touching your eyes. I think the bigger issue with touching your mouth is if you have the virus, then you contaminate your hands.
I did go out to a restaurant a couple of times several weeks ago when it looked like our cases had dropped enough for that activity to be safe as long as masks were required and I was seated outside. Cases have risen since then so I am just doing delivery now. I have the driver drop the food off on my porch so I am never in contact with them. My routine is to bring the food inside and then remove it from the bag/packaging. Then I throw the packaging away and wash my hands before I start to eat. I don’t go to the grocery store either and have a similar routine with putting away my groceries.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/food-and-COVID-19.html
https://health.ucdavis.edu/good-food/blog/eating-takeout-amid-covid-19.html
FF, hahahaha. Rally YOU of all people are going to say “Because her world is ordered/organized/rationalized in relation to how it makes her feel.” as if you don’t do that ALL OF THE TIME. hahahahaha. Wooo Ok. whatevs!
EOS, so you do know that Trump is failing! If there are bread riots, it will be due to a failure of our government to keep people fed. I mean, I can’t argue that it won’t happen considering who is in charge but my hope is that the Senate will get their act together to approve whatever programs are necessary to keep people fed.
I’m still betting animal (pet) reservoir.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/08/14/902675290/new-zealand-investigates-a-mystery-where-did-its-new-cases-come-from
I wonder what happens the 2nd time you become infected. EOS you know everything, what happens?
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/512090-cdc-gives-three-month-window-of-immunity-after-covid-infection
The President was asked if he agreed with Marjorie Greene’s opinion that Qanon is worth looking into. After saying she did a great job he said “Absolutely. I did congratulate her.” Don’t take it to mean the President of the USA thinks Qanon is absolutely worth looking into if it fucks you up too bad.
FF, HW and EOS have to pretend this isn’t happening.
From Intelligencer:
Trump Admits He’s Starving the Postal Service to Sabotage Voting by Mail
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/trump-admits-starving-usps-sabotage-voting-by-mail.html
From Law & Crime:
‘These Are Felonies’: Lawyers React with Horror to Reports of Post Office Removing Mail Sorting Machines
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/these-are-felonies-lawyers-react-with-horror-to-reports-of-post-office-removing-mail-sorting-machines/
OH I don’t think HW or EOS are the types to have a problem with cheating in elections as long as the end result is that their guy wins. So now anyone who votes for Trump supports racism, sexism and white men cheating their way into power. Deplorable!
The eviction moratorium is coming to an end. I guess there are something like 10000 evictions coming in the next 4 months in Washtenaw County.
Some are organizing to stop/delay them.
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1T425NRDDPQ7yleoSumC4GailyPaQ8Ulh-ES_Klyn6HM/mobilebasic
As a point of reference the 2010 census stated there were 125,327 households, 10000 is 8% becoming homeless over the next 4 months.
Vote by mail sucks. You want to just completely change how voting is done in the USA this year because you believe people will get covid from voting. It has nothing to do with fucking the election up and trying to just declare Biden prez or some shit like that I’m sure.
Dems have been busted throwing votes in the trash so what makes you think they should be given the ability to change it all of a sudden? That’s some wack ass shit yo.
Trump’s commission found there was no problem with voter fraud.
What Trump is doing, Lynne, is a lot more serious than just “cheating.” He’s undermining one of the most fundamental aspects of the US’s democratic system.
Even the most delusional Republican knows it. That’s why they all avoid even talking about it. Only HW is so far out there to parrot Trump’s totally unsupported cover story.
Spouting an empty justification for actions which sole purpose is to destroy one of the most fundamental aspects of the US system of democracy is sociopathic.
I do hope seeing this disturbing action and nonsensical rationalization will shock a lot of people into waking up to the threat these lunatics pose. It will be interesting to see if the Democratic strategists alert the public to this specifically in their media campaign.
Some Ypsi folks are working on some solutions
https://m.facebook.com/events/777054336370945?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%223%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D&aref=3
It’s not voter fraud. It’s election fraud.
“Spouting an empty justification for actions which sole purpose is to destroy one of the most fundamental aspects of the US system of democracy is sociopathic.”
I agree with that. You can’t change our voting system on a whim, you psycho nutjobs.
You’ve seen news articles about dems and mail carriers trashing votes. I know you have because I posted some. Don’t lie.
Are you out of your mind? Another one I found in two seconds.
https://whyy.org/articles/philly-judge-of-elections-pleads-guilty-to-election-fraud-accepting-bribes/
A former Philadelphia Judge of Elections has been charged with election fraud for allegedly stuffing ballot boxes on behalf of certain Democratic candidates in three separate primaries, and for accepting bribes.
William McSwain, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, announced the charges Thursday. He said the judge, Domenick J. DeMuro, had already pleaded guilty.
Not much you can say now is there, asshole? Look how easy it is for me. I can’t believe you didn’t learn from those other derps.
The incidents are extremely rare. The individuals involved have been caught and prosecuted.
Trump’s impulses are all out in the open. He doesn’t hide his ignorance, corruption, and recklessness. What he’s doing is very apparent on the face of it. Only a moron or a deranged lunatic would pretend otherwise.
Your personality is very similar to his, asshole. That’s why you parrot every detail of his delusional and idiotic conduct.
Look how easy it is for me, HW.
Destroyed again.
How can you say it’s rare, let alone extremely rare? When you have multiple individuals caught red-handed it becomes a pattern. For each one caught it is reasonable that there are others who got away with it so there is no way to know yet just how bad it is. You have nothing.
HW: “How can you say it’s rare, let alone extremely rare?”
Are you not aware id the massive number of people who vote legally in elections and the niniscule numbers of fraud? Compare those numbers. That’s where you’ll see why it is extremely rare.
HW: “When you have multiple individuals caught red-handed it becomes a pattern.”
The solution for rare incident seems of criminal behavior is enforcement, investigation and prosecution. Creating a much bigger problem is only something a corrupt and incompetent leader would try.
HW: “For each one caught it is reasonable that there are others who got away with it so there is no way to know yet just how bad it is. You have nothing.”
Oh, so you’re basing this on your imagination. Naturally. High as a kite.
So prove your claim all officials engaging in election fraud have been caught. Oh it’s not possible is it? Must not make a lot of sense to say then, right?
A competent leader would tighten procedures and institute safeguards against fraud, making it nearly impossible to commit and always punished to the full extent of the law. But of corse that wouldn’t save your degenerate role-model. So that would be the plan even if he were competent enough to do it.
Destroyed again.
You lose every time and then go to some insinuating opinion that doesn’t matter.
HW: “So prove your claim all officials engaging in election fraud have been caught. Oh it’s not possible is it? Must not make a lot of sense to say then, right?”
Because of the nature of partisan politics, it is almost impossible for impropriety to go unnoticed and unchecked. Partisans provide a powerful check on one another. Crimes are spotted and exposed by the opposition. It is because of this that there are not the vast imaginary incidents you are concocting.
Destroyed yet again.
HW: “You lose every time and then go to some insinuating opinion that doesn’t matter.”
I keep beating your ass over and over and you keep claiming victory. It’s pathetic. You should up your dose, because I know quitting is out of the question.
You have never beat my ass. When? I just crammed your argument down your throat with facts. I can keep going if I want to. I already did it a long time ago regarding Detroit and you just kept mumbling about some nebulous voter suppression conspiracy. You said you didn’t know how it was done and had no evidence. You just knew!
I just beat your ass and you didn’t realize it. I guess it helps to be super high.
The good news is that your role-model undermining voters’ rights will stir up more opposition to him. You dipshits don’t comprehend that for some reason. That’s good I guess.
You don’t even have a coherent rationale. You went overboard on the Michigan fraudster trying to pin all the blame on an “evil” individual. I’m afraid it is systematic. This bribery case was in three different primaries so there must have been at least three dems on whose behalf bribes were made. Even this one case alone proves systematic fraud in Philadelphia.
Allllll those Detroit ballot boxes with wrong numbers is plain evidence of fraud. Jean tried to say the volunteers are old black women trying their best with outdated equipment so they can’t be blamed!
Your argument that it is a miniscule number of votes affected out of the total is garbage. In a competitive race it only takes the number of votes needed to decide the election. That could be any number down to 1.
I’ll take this open thread opportunity to remind Hyborian Warlord that he’s a complete cunt and I hope he gets the worst Covid ever but doesn’t die, just has to spend the rest of his evil life apologizing for being such a cunt.
I remember when I met you one time. My first impression was you were drunk and stupid and seemed like a real asshole.
Until you provide numbers, you’re just talking shit, HW. How many races were flipped by fraud? How many individuals deliberately engaged in fraud and how many total voters didn’t? Compare the numbers and share them here. Until then, you’re just a no-substance high-on.
The death cult is grasping at straws. The Durham investigation is a big yawn, AGs around the country are organizing to protect mail in voting. The Don himself is voting by mail in Florida, anything to distract from the utter incompetence.
https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/whitecollarcrime_blog/2020/08/what-a-durham-report-may-look-like-hasnt-anyone-heard-of-speaking-indictments.html
HW: “You don’t even have a coherent rationale. You went overboard on the Michigan fraudster trying to pin all the blame on an “evil” individual.”
How many people were found guilty of illegal activity in that case? One, right? Did federal investigators get involved? Dumbass.
“How many individuals deliberately engaged in fraud and how many total voters didn’t? Compare the numbers and share them here.”
That’s a stupid comparison. You have to deal with the fact of dem election fraud. I’ve already put up several examples of dems caught red-handed. As I said and you ignored the lastest Philly case involves three different primary races. Flipped or not it’s criminal just like in the other cases.
“How many people were found guilty of illegal activity in that case? One, right?”
Too bad there are OTHER CASES of the same thing you have to deal with. If it keeps happening it’s not isolated. It’s a pattern.
No numbers. No substance. Just shit-talking.
The way to deal with rare crimes is to have in place effective security measures and aggressive forensic accounting. Your clownish role-model isn’t doing any of that, mainly because it isn’t his motive. His motive is criminal.
You’re a dumbass who has no ground to stand on, and your idiot role-model is bringing more attention to his criminal intent. Removing mail sorting machines so as to disrupt delivery is already pushing more people away from supporting him. He’s an idiot, and you are his mindless parrot.
How many races were flipped by fraud? Zero?
How many votes were fraudulent? Divide that by the number of total votes. Give us the percentage.
Your mentally and emotionally stunted role-model’s commission tasked with investigating voter fraud produced nothing. You’re really high right now.
Trump Disbands Commission on Voter Fraud
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-commission.html
Pro-corruption dumbass destroyed.
That’s kind of an arbitrary complaint. To know the numbers?
Even if races were unaffected it would still be just as bad of a crime for those who committed it.
Of course the crime is very bad and should be punished severely. That’s one of the reasons an astronomically small number of people have ever attempted it.
The effective way to reduce those already very small numbers to zero, or as close to zero as possible, is to institute even more safeguards.
Having additional safeguards put into place isn’t what your role-model is doing. The reason he isn’t is because doing so would not serve his intent. In fact it may work counter to his intent. His intent is obviously to undermine the entire system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM8gI-0IL94&feature=emb_share
“an astronomically small number of people have ever attempted it.”
Prove it.
On second thought define “astronomically small” first.
57,600,000+ votes in 2016 primaries
138,000,000+ votes in 2016 general
118,000,000+ votes in 2018 general
313,600,000+ Total of these three presidential votes
If there were 1,000 votes fraudulently cast in those three elections combined, we’d divide that 1,000 by 313,600,000 and get a product of 0.00000319
That’s astronomically small.
How many votes were fraudulently cast in those three elections? Trump’s Commission on Voter Fraud didn’t find enough to even issue a report for propaganda purposes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-commission.html
For you EOS
Well, I was feelin’ sad and feelin’ blue
I didn’t know what in the world I was gonna do
Them Communists they was comin’ around
They was in the air
They was on the ground
They wouldn’t gimme no peace
So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin’ down the road
Yee-hoo, I’m a real John Bircher now
Look out you Commies
Now we all agree with Hitlers’ views
Although he killed six million Jews
It don’t matter too much that he was a Fascist
At least you can’t say he was a Communist
That’s to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria
Well, I was lookin’ everywhere for them gol-darned Reds
I got up in the mornin’ ‘n’ looked under my bed
Looked in the sink, behind the door
Looked in the glove compartment of my car
Couldn’t find ’em
I was lookin’ high an’ low for them Reds everywhere
I was lookin’ in the sink an’ underneath the chair
I looked way up my chimney hole
I even looked deep inside my toilet bowl
They got away
Well, I was sittin’ home alone an’ started to sweat
Figured they was in my T.V. set
Peeked behind the picture frame
Got a shock from my feet, hittin’ right up in the brain
Them Reds caused it
I know they did, them hard-core ones
Well, I quit my job so I could work alone
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they was red stripes on the American flag
That ol’ Betty Ross
Well, I investigated all the books in the library
Ninety percent of ’em gotta be bur
ned away
I investigated all the people that I knowed
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go
The other two percent are fellow Birchers, just like me
Now Eisenhower, he’s a Russian spy
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy
To my knowledge there’s just one man
That’s really a true American, George Lincoln Rockwell
I know for a fact he hates Commies ’cause he picketed the movie Exodus
Well, I fin’ly started thinkin’ straight
When I run outta things to investigate
Couldn’t imagine doin’ anything else
So now I’m sittin’ home investigatin’ myself
Hope I don’t find out anything, hm, great God
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Bob Dylan
Talkin’ John Birch Paranoid Blues lyrics © Bob Dylan Music Co.
Leaked documents expose plans to “slow mail processing” ahead of Election Day
https://www.salon.com/2020/08/15/leaked-documents-expose-plans-to-slow-mail-processing-ahead-of-election-day_partner/
(From Salon)
For those who are just not into attending demonstrations in the age of the trumpvirus, there are other ways you can help fight the coming eviction crises.
https://m.facebook.com/donate/369948380638367/?fundraiser_source=group_post_attachment
Wobblie,
I would join JBS far more readily than I would become a communist. McCarthy was right.
You’ve never met me Warlord and I haven’t had more than two consecutive beers since my brother in law’s wedding, maybe twenty five years ago. You do love to lie though.
Usually it’s “infinitesimally small” or “astronomically large”. Somewhat of an oxymoron there.
You have to reckon with what I said. A RACE could be DECIDED by ANY NUMBER OF VOTES. You can characterize the number however you want but if you can’t admit they cheat to win races you are just pushing garbage around.
Why do you hang out in bars then? Maybe you weren’t drunk at the Tap Room that night. Maybe you are just a stupid asshole.
HW: “You have to reckon with what I said. A RACE could be DECIDED by ANY NUMBER OF VOTES. You can characterize the number however you want but if you can’t admit they cheat to win races you are just pushing garbage around.”
Hey stupid, races that are won by very small margins are recounted and closely examined for irregularities. You’re just showing what an uninformed idiot you are, HW.
These arguments you come up with are so dumb . Michigan has a law that there COULD NOT BE an recount BECAUSE the box numbers were fucked.
Youre ignorance on the topic is glaring. You are embarrassing yourself. But like your role-model, you’re too stupid to realize it.
You deny there is such a law? It was in the news when the fraud occurred. I couldn’t believe it.
Yeah, shut the fuck up, asshole. You cannot fuck with me. Now you are ignorant by your own standard plus you are an asshole for calling someone else that when you are the problem.
https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/RecountFAQs_544577_7.pdf
Under state law, the precinct may not be recounted if the container isn’t sealed properly and the number on the seal doesn’t match the one recorded in the poll book. Also, the number of ballots in the container must match the recorded total. If the container isn’t sealed or the numbers don’t match, the precinct may not be recounted.
Duh, moron. When did you find that out? Just now?
How recently was it that you crawled out from under a rock, maggot. asshole.
Just conducting a normal conversation fucks with you. You’re as dumb as your role-model. Everything is as unfamiliar or new to you as it is for him. You should stop embarrassing yourself. You’re a pathetic freak.
The law you just discovered is a safeguard against someone rigging the recount. You’re really very brain-damaged.
What a little bitch you are. You just got done saying there is always a recount if there is a problem! I posted about this problem at the time. You are a remedial student trying to somehow boost your self-esteem with mindless putdowns of the advanced ones.
‘How recently was it that you crawled out from under a rock, maggot. asshole.”
If you fuckin’ HATE someone that much it must feel awful to know there is nothing you can do to them; online, in real life…nothing. You are just burning yourself up in hate.
Oh, there is plenty I can do…and will.
I’m not like you, HW. I function in the real world.
What do you think you can do to me then?
You are delusional, HW. That works dramatically in my favor. I’ll be happy to continue to prove it.
The stupid shit you say, and the simple things you don’t know reveal you recently crawled out from under a rock. I’m the sort of person that will smash a maggot like you with that rock.
HW: “What do you think you can do to me then?”
It’s funny that you are so stupid you’d actually ask such a question. Do you really think anyone would answer?
Te best you’ll get is an explanation after the fact.
So I found out about the Michigan recount law in 2016. You are saying that makes me a (hahahaha) “maggot”? I’m going to bet the vast majority of human beings have never heard or thought about that. “Bunch o’ MAGGOTS living on this INFESTED SHITWORLD!!! AHHHH!!!” That’s how you sound.
You are pretty old for just finding that out. That says a lot about you. You are very similar to your role-model, mentally and emotionally.
I refer to you as a maggot because you’ve recently crawled out from under a rock. It’s kind of sad that had to be explained to you.
So I was the last to know about that according to you. You actually think that is something everyone knows and if you don’t you are a fucking maggot. Shockingly stupid and wacky as shit. How fucked you are if you need to just make up such things to try to punish Trump supporters?
Does it ever occur to you to observe your own behavior objectively? Do you recognize that your behavior and feelings are considerably stunted for a guy your age?
“I refer to you as a maggot because you’ve recently crawled out from under a rock. It’s kind of sad that had to be explained to you.”
High level stuff. You’re really knocking it out of the park there! Waow.
Every bit of information you have is obviously only recently picked up. Your information is extremely spotty. You can observe the same thing demonstrated by Trump, and he’s an old man. He knows so little, and the little he does know appears recently learned. It may even be immaculate to use the word “learned” because it is more like he just parrots. He appeals to you because you are the same way, and in a similar situation.
“Does it ever occur to you to observe your own behavior objectively? Do you recognize that your behavior and feelings are considerably stunted for a guy your age?”
That’s funny because I consider people like you who can’t think outside their tiiiiny little box to be humans in larval form. Reason is our number one defining trait in my opinion and you have abandoned it.
It may be inaccurate to use the word “learned” because it is more like he just parrots.
You don’t spend much time around well informed people or well educated people. You make that very apparent.
You haven’t been using reason all that much, and In sure you didn’t for most of your life. You’d be much further along if you had.
You haven’t suffered some sort of brain injury, have you?
“Every bit of information you have is obviously only recently picked up.”
Not true but so what if it was? You don’t like I am far more facile with knowledge in general than you. I can support what I say and do. You can’t so you don’t. You constantly say things that cannot be verified.
Tell me, are you finding it easy to put the tens of thousands of sealed indictments out of your mind?
I’m guessing that, with the way your brain works, you just sort of drift away from the evidence that you are way off on your understanding of things.
A healthy brain doesn’t drift like that. It addresses those contradictions and develops a more sophisticated framework of understanding.
HW: “Not true but so what if it was?”
It is obviously true. And it matters for the reasons to which I’ve made reference. It’s not my job to explain the obvious to you. It’s your problem that you stunted yourself.
“You don’t spend much time around well informed people or well educated people. You make that very apparent.”
I understand YOU feel that way. Other jerks do too: Bob, jean, lynne, barky, dirty, etc. So what? You people actually think that your little reality tunnel is THE fucking reality? You don’t even know you are in a fucking tunnel! Everyone’s got one but not all of us are so crustily STUCK in just one.
Has anyone watched the video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM8gI-0IL94&feature=emb_share
Has anyone watched the video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM8gI-0IL94&feature=emb_share
Or will you keep on believing that D’s and R’s are important?
HW: “ You don’t like I am far more facile with knowledge in general than you.”
I don’t bother to put any effort into discussing anything with you, for obvious reasons.
HW: “I can support what I say and do. You can’t so you don’t. You constantly say things that cannot be verified.”
I just don’t bother to conduct a comprehensive masterclass for the sake of a lunatic. Why would I? Why would anybody?
There was a major indictment regarding Obama spying just the other day. Kevin Clinesmith is pleading guilty to altering documents used to get FISA approval to spy on Donald Trump’s team. I already posted that. You don’t think one thing leads to another?
HW: “I understand YOU feel that way. Other jerks do too: Bob, jean, lynne, barky, dirty, etc. So what? You people actually think that your little reality tunnel is THE fucking reality? You don’t even know you are in a fucking tunnel! Everyone’s got one but not all of us are so crustily STUCK in just one.”
You think I’m talking about people of a particular political leaning. I’m not.
I’m saying you aren’t around people that challenge you intellectually or with regard to accumulation of knowledge. It is apparent in the way you communicate and the spotty knowledge you have.
“I don’t bother to put any effort into discussing anything with you, for obvious reasons.”
That’s what jean and lynne say. You sure spend significant time every day trying to “cut me down”. I am shocked a man would spend his time doing that but that’s how the baynardites roll.
“You think I’m talking about people of a particular political leaning. I’m not.
I’m saying you aren’t around people that challenge you intellectually or with regard to accumulation of knowledge. It is apparent in the way you communicate and the spotty knowledge you have.”
Nice opinion. It’s garbage but most opinions are. Why would something real need to be propped up?
The term reality tunnel could be expanded to political thoughtstreams but that’s not what I mean. Everyone has their own little individual tunnel and if you haven’t gotten out of your own you are a larval human.
You can’t stand up to any actual challenge. That’s why you hide here. If you were around people who challenged you intellectually and informationally, you’d have to evolve or just crawl back under your rock.
I have more than stood up to what you have said with factual information and reason. Now you are just trying to irritate me.
It’s only in your mind that you are doing well. If you observe Trump honestly, you’ll see how he’s the same way.
The First Beast
13 And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. 2 And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. 4 And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”
5 And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling,[a] that is, those who dwell in heaven. 7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them.[b] And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. 9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear:
10 If anyone is to be taken captive,
to captivity he goes;
if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
with the sword must he be slain.
Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
MAGA hats = Mark of the Beast
Beware False Prophets/False Profits
All religion aside. This USPS thing must be stopped. It’s more than time to mount a serious resistance to Trump tyranny and corruption on all fronts.
“It’s only in your mind that you are doing well. If you observe Trump honestly, you’ll see how he’s the same way.”
Obviously I think the opposite and my record in this thread and many others of using factual knowledge to successfully counter your claims tends to support that.
This one is for Wobblie
https://youtu.be/QtsJ7ZUUpQo
The problem Trump has are very clear and observable. He is challenged emotionally and intellectually. You should be able to see that if you just look at it honestly. It’s not about a matter of opinion. His behavior is entirely recognizable. I guess it only seems invisible to those who have similar issues.
American spirit; I love things like this. To me this is emblematic of our people, not the universal hate tarred by a relative handful of fascistic anarcho-communists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHIErVkGkQA
The President has been toying with you. He is in fact the master of trolling and I think that is great. You have fallen for every false leak, every feigned weakness, every major narrative that spun out for years and went nowhere because it was nothing.
Behind the scenes major work has been going on all this time. You said yourself they “wouldn’t” have taken this long if there was anything to it. Well, here it is. The first indictment by Durham and the implications are major. Obama knew, all the suspects I named long ago knew. It’s going up the ladder, watch. You are already catching up to the other derps in the amount of egg on your face.
HW: “The President has been toying with you. He is in fact the master of trolling and I think that is great. You have fallen for every false leak, every feigned weakness, every major narrative that spun out for years and went nowhere because it was nothing.”
It really doesn’t make any sense that you can’t tell how limited Trump is emotionally and intellectually. He demonstrates it almost constantly, and in extraordinary ways.
I thought before that maybe you were pretending you couldn’t tell. Just because it really doesn’t seem possible. But you’ve made it clear that you are somehow unable to discern what is actually very obvious in his behavior and words.
You don’t seem able to process what you observe and learn which is contrary to your perspective. It is just dismissed out of hand in your mind. It’s very odd.
To consider Trump capable of toying with anyone effectively is beyond basic observable reality. He’s a terrible mess. He makes it all very apparent. He can’t seem to control simple impulses.
He clearly was installed in the office by people with a plan to have him take the fall. He seems to have been tricked into everything every step of the way.
To imagine him as some sort of mastermind is beyond bizarre. He’s probably one of the least mysterious personalities anyone would ever observe.
There is a world of shit happening above your level of awareness. It is illustrated by your recent posts on Durham versus the reality of this indictment coming out so soon after.
It looks like it does to you because you never activated any higher mental circuits or got out of the mass trance that so many are waking up from today. Lots and lots more good things to come for me and for everyone. Even you. Perhaps one day we will meet under very different circumstances and you will apologize for turning into a piece of shit there for a while and we will laugh.
You were just talking about that a few days ago, droning on and on about what “would happen” if there was anything to it. You said it has been too long for it to be anything. I said they have been building a massive case on a bunch of people, many of whom I have named for years.
Now Kevin Clinesmith of the FBI is to plead guilty to altering data used to get a FISA authorization to spy on Carter Page, which was used to spy on everyone he had contact with. I think he is the first of many to fall in the Durham criminal investigation and that numerous Obama appointees are on deck.
If I turn out to be correct then you are fucked, right? Kinda seeming to be going that way with a guilty plea in my favor or no? Maybe that’s fake news and he will plead not guilty and there will be discovery and you be even more fucked. Either way it kicks ass for me.
Carter Page turns out to be a CIA agent or asset working to spy on Russia. FBI lawyer Clinesmith changed the 302 to omit that fact. BOOM!!! There was a shit ton of shit talk to the contrary by a number of people here. I got it right. EOS got it right. Frosted Flakes got it right.
All you corrosive idiots got it wrong, wrong, wrong as ALWAYS. How can you deny the unerring pattern now? Get ready for a lot more and bigger booms. Get ready to go on the ‘your own words’ diet exclusively because you are not going to have room for much else.
I wonder if the alternative to pleading guilty and probably co-operating with the investigation was to be tried for treason? I’d say treason is correct given that the altered Page 302 was done to enable the effort to frame a candidate and a President with unreliable at best and realistically known to be false foreign (Russian-sourced) information.
False information known by the FBI to be paid for by…derp der derrrr: Hillary Clinton!
It’s exactly what I said over three years ago. How many metric tons of bullshit do you think was flung in my direction for saying exactly the reality way back then? They said every thing they could think of to try to tear me down. Obviously it didn’t fucking work and now they have to EAT all of it. This shit is so BAD ASS!
Let me style on you some more: “Not exhaustive” list with voluminous examples of vote/election fraud.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf
As I said, HW, 1,000 examples of fraudulent votes among the 313,000,000+ total votes in just the three elections (2016 Primaries, 2016 General, and 2018 General) would give you a fraud rate of 0.00000319
The list of incidents of fraud on the White House site goes back through decades of elections. So imagine the total number we’d come up with by adding every ballot cast in every election (of every level) going back decades. That number would be in the billions.
I see the list also includes many election fraud cases which didn’t involve ballots. They include incidents involving petition forgeries and such.
It’s good to see the punishments for committing any sort of fraud associated with elections tend to be tough.
But as I pointed out already more than once the rate doesn’t matter. The races affected are what matters.
It stands to reason that the fraud that has been caught is only the tip of the iceberg anyway. Kind of hard to detect a lot of election fraud, let alone prosecute I am sure. Your calculation is not the real rate just like the different mortality rates aren’t the real rates. Those are all stupid things to verbally attack someone over. You wanted numbers. Now you have a crapload of numbers to mull over for a while. It’s not like that’s all there is though. The document itself explains that.
You are blurring the cases of official misconduct and voters to the point of meaninglessness also. All the different behaviors do not belong in your equation. Election fraud by officials is worse than individuals pulling a fast one I think. I thought you agreed with that based on your rather extreme and punitive reaction (I thought) to the Michigan case. So if you do agree then don’t try to smush it all into a stupid equation like that.
I was just pointing out that the list of fraud cases was from a period going back decades. I even saw that one case was from 1948. And going back decades would dramatically increase the total number of ballots cast. Just for the three elections I added up there were over 313,000,000 ballots cast. That was the combined total for the 2016 Presidential Primary and General, and the 2018 General. Those numbers suggest the total number of ballots cast over the past few decades is a few billion. This is why fraud can be said to be a very rare occurrence.
It should also be mentioned that the President’s actions in slowing the postal service down for the purpose of limiting mail-in voting would fall within the definition of illegal interference in an election. The proper response to concerns about security would be to institute addition safeguards.
If the outcome of many elections are affected by fraud then your little number doesn’t mean much does it? I don’t think the number of votes that have been verified to be fraudulent is an adequate metric for reasons I have already given.
New gardens at Gitmo called ‘Emohwen Setatspeed Gardens’. Haha, wow. Ereht si ohw ees ot ekil dluow i!
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Guantanamo+Bay+Detention+Camp/@19.9075259,-75.1013293,1546m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8ecece313c28264d:0xea5ddb2a3e52e6b1!8m2!3d19.9030921!4d-75.0966509
Zooming in the WW1WGA Gardens appear next to it.
The virus spreads exponentially and that process of press is natural.
Incidents of fraud in elections is a very different sort of phenomenon. It isn’t a natural phenomenon which multiplies itself organically. It’s a spasm which runs counter to many strong discouraging factors. Ethics and the threat of punishment being the two most obvious ones.
Tests for COVID-19 only reveal a portion of the likely cases. Suggesting that dynamic is akin to what we can extrapolate regarding voter fraud is a complete mismatch. There’s no similarity between the two systems.
HW: “If the outcome of many elections are affected by fraud then your little number doesn’t mean much does it?”
Only in those extremely rare cases where it has happened. You’d need to provide a comprehensive statistic showing incidents where the fraud potentially flipped the outcome of races. Otherwise what you’re saying is purely conjecture.
You are hiding behind the covert nature of fraud. Very very very fucking obviously only a small portion of election and voter fraud will be caught. As prevalent as we know for a fact it is by convictions is enough to know it is a serious problem. I have put up plenty enough evidence of that.
WWG1WGA!
The death cult is all about throwing smoke. For all HW’s whining and crying, ☠️McConnell and the other sycophants in the Senate have done nothing in three years to address election integrity. It is not about solving problems and governing. It is all about greed and power.
The US under the death cult has ceased to be the land of opportunity. US finding it harder to attract individuals with the skills the business world wants.
https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/h1b_second_lottery/
How am I whining or crying? “Ur just whining about my party’s election fraud!”
Another BLM killing as victim dies. The suspect, caught on video delivering the fatal blow complains all he did was fight the man.
No. He came up from behind someone he had already forced to sit down on the street and kicked him in the head. Leg hits face, head hits pavement; pretty good chance of death. I can think of more than one instance of that happening in the Ypsi-Arbor area.
People need to think about that before literally fighting in the street. You might get erased if they fight back or you might erase someone when you meant to just fuck them up. Then you have to pay. Should be some degree of murder. Obviously it was deadly force.
HW, if you kill someone even if you just meant to fuck them up, it is generally considered murder or at the very least manslaughter.
I don’t know what incident to which you are referring but I have found that usually if I fact check you, I find that you are spouting bullshit so I guess it doesn’t matter that you are just making vague allegations without bringing any receipts.
As I said it should be. How could you agree with me and call what I said bullshit? You are so fuckin’ WACKY, Lynne. You hate me so much you can’t even think a coherent thought. He could be charged with manslaughter by the way. Are you alright?
You have never once “fact-checked” me, Lynne. Not successfully. As usual you cannot come up with one example after nearly four years and thousands of posts. All of a sudden when you have to do it it’s not worth your time!
Looks like he is still alive! Nice. Only aggravated assault or some shit though I suppose. I think it is attempted murder.
The arguments Cassandra claims to supposedly win with facts are always in a vague and distance past. Always elsewhere. Never in the here and now.
#convenient
That sounds bad
Probably why I prefer wrestling
Unlike our hero FF who runs away from inconvenient facts. As the saying goes better to run away and live to fight another day than take a lickin from Lynne. Wait I just made up that saying, feel free to use. Or maybe, FF Can take a licken from Lynne and keep on ticken.
In the Trump era we are recycling old political dog whistles why not old add jingles.
Mr. Wrestling II passed recently. President Carter invited him to the White House but II was so loathe to appear without the mask he demurred. No masks allowed at the White House so no Wrestling II.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM9HKd7gHXw
Testimonial ad from Trump’s Former DHS Chief of Staff @MilesTaylorUSA, declaring his support for Joe Biden and describing Trump’s presidency as “terrifying” and “actively doing damage to our security.”
https://twitter.com/RVAT2020/status/1295428130170195968
Well if that guy thinks that then I am definitely going to think the same thing.
Like what?
Senate intelligence committee report. Russia, Russia, Russia. Treason monkeys gonna screech “like what?”
iRobert,
Take a look at your video at 0:56. Have you ever before seen a fire that levels all the houses to the ground (flat – gone) yet leaves the trees standing and some even still green? How do you think that happens?
Nothing but white ash where houses once stood, and the adjacent trees untouched.
HW: “Well if that guy thinks that then I am definitely going to think the same thing.”
Miles Taylor was pretty close to the action for two years, and his assessment is not far off what a number of others have said.
By your reasoning, the number of people we’ve seen and heard giving these accounts is only the tip of the iceberg, right? There must be ten fold who we haven’t heard from who’d give similar accounts.
EOS, are you now buying into an internet theory that houses destroyed in the Paradise Fire were actually set afire intentionally?
No. I see pictures on the internet of the after effects of a forest fire in a coniferous forest, and all you see is blackened charred branches and stumps with no needles left on them. Why would trees burn to a crisp in a forest fire, yet remain green and standing next to a house that burned to the ground along with everything in it.
If Miles Taylor is such a good Republican, how did he get a job with Google? They must give him his own table in the lunchroom, that is, if they even let him in the lunchroom. Must be a lonely job.
“By your reasoning, the number of people we’ve seen and heard giving these accounts is only the tip of the iceberg, right? There must be ten fold who we haven’t heard from who’d give similar accounts.”
The swamp is deep. Lots of people say a lot of things about Donald Trump. Lots of people have already been exposed as incredible liars. Your officials didn’t claim to have proof of Russian collusion and then collapse like an accordion when it turned out it was nothing? Not only was it nothing it was crass fiction! Trying to frame the President with lies and take control of the country. Sounds like treason to me.
EOS, you don’t know how to google then?
Here is how you can get an explanation for why trees were still standing even though the houses were burned down.
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=paradise+california+why+are+some+trees+untouched+after+fire
LOL. I don’t usually get on twitter but when I was looking at the video iRobert linked to, I noticed that Brock Turner was trending. I guess someone said as a joke that he would be speaking at the Republican Convention and a whole lot of people believed it! Because that is how Republicans are these days. They are so ok with bad behavior from white men that it is believable that they would invite a rapist to speak. I mean they elected a self-proclaimed pussy-grabber as president after all.
HAHAHAHA!!! That is SO FUNNY!!! I CANT STOP LAAAAUGHIIING!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!! OHOHOHOHO!!!
Lynne,
I followed your link and couldn’t find any explanation. Why do houses turn to dust while trees are still green and standing? Because the fire moves too fast and misses the trees? But not fast enough that nothing in the house is left standing? Can you explain it to me?
I don’t know about anyone else but I wake up every day and think “I can’t wait to find examples of some of the worst behavior in society perpetrated by white men and promote it!”
Most telling were the trees. Most of the pines that sheltered this community still had their canopies intact. The needles, yellowed from the intense heat, were not burned — evidence that the winds that morning had pushed the fire along so fast it never had a chance to rise into the trees. But as a surface fire, it lit up the homes that lay in its path.
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-camp-fire-lessons-20181120-story.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/photos-from-california-wildfires-reveal-lessons-for-b-c-1.4905324
“Our perception is that this wall of fire comes through and destroys everything, and yet what I’m seeing is that there couldn’t have been a wall of fire,” Cohen told Stephen Quinn, the host of CBC’s The Early Edition.
“The thing that would have carried the wall of fire is still there: The trees are still there and the structures are destroyed.”
Instead of a wall of flames descending, burning embers blow downwind and ignite many spot fires over a wide area.
“That’s how the whole area can be burning at the same time,” Cohen explained.
That’s also why, from the photos coming out of the damaged communities, it looks almost as though there were hundreds of individual house fires rather than one fire sweeping through the entire town.
It must have taken time for the entire house to burn to nothing but ashes. This could not have swept through in an instant, but the dried wood frames of the houses were the tinder that would have burned the trees. The fire was hot enough and lingered long enough to melt metal, but only yellowed pine needles? Does that seem credible?
Thank you, Anonymous!
That google search resulted in many articles written by reporters who quoted experts explaining as best as they could in lay terms why the fire burned the way it did. I find those experts to be credible.
Years ago, there was a chemical spill at the factory near my house. When I went outside in the morning all of the plants, including the trees, looked dead. I was pretty upset about it. When the fire department came to talk to me about it, and when I expressed my sadness about the trees, the firefighter told me that trees were remarkably resilient. He said he had seen a lot of trees that looked dead after being close to a house fire that bounced back. He said I should wait and see and they might be fine. He was right! All but one of the trees survived! Unfortunately, the one that died was a really beautiful maple that turned bright red in the fall. Also unfortunately it was on an abandoned lot so I couldn’t sue the factory to replace it. I suppose I could have written them a letter asking them to replace it out of the goodness of their hearts but I didn’t.
At any rate, I don’t think trees burn in the same way as houses.
EOS, your ideas intrigue me. May I subscribe to your newsletter?