A communal response to a local conspiracy theorist

As I don’t have very much time today, I thought that perhaps I could count you to help in drafting a response to the following comment, which was left on the site earlier this morning by one of our resident conspiracy theorists.

If you want, we can take them sentence by sentence.

As I’ve got a little time, I can take the first one — “I have no doubt that COVID kills nor do I doubt that the Dems are exaggerating the threat to keep us isolated and fearful until after the election.”

Are the Democrats exaggerating the threat? No.

As of yesterday, 157,924 Americans have died as a result of COVID-19. As for where that put’s COVID-19 in the context of other diseases, I’d like to offer the following quote from a July 10 interview with Virginia Tech biostatistician Ron Fricker.

…Today, COVID-19 ranks as the sixth leading cause of death in the United States, following heart disease, cancer, accidents, lower chronic respiratory diseases and stroke. Heart disease is the leading cause, with just over 647,000 Americans dying from it each year. Alzheimer’s disease, formerly the sixth largest cause of death, kills just over 121,000 people per year. If the University of Washington IHME model’s current prediction of COVID-19-related deaths comes to pass, COVID-19 will be the third leading cause of death in the United States by the end of the year.

The American Cancer Society estimates that in 2020 there will be an estimated 1.8 million new cancer cases diagnosed and 606,520 cancer deaths in the United States. Lung cancer is estimated to kill about 135,000 people in the US in 2020, so the number of COVID-19 deaths is currently equivalent and will exceed it soon. Of course, it is important to note that the COVID-19 deaths have occurred in about the past four months while the number of lung cancer deaths is for a year. So, COVID-19 deaths are occurring at roughly three times the rate of lung cancer deaths…

So, not only are we back to losing over 1,000 people a day from COVID-19, but it’s poised to be the third leading cause of death in America by the end of the year. I know the President has said that COVID-19 is not as bad as the seasonal flu, and that, one day, “It’s just going to disappear… like a miracle,” but that’s simply not true. It continues to grow and thrive in the United States under his watch, and people who were absolutely up-in-arms over the fact that we lost two people to Ebola under Obama, are now praising Trump’s response.

One more thing… I find it laughable that anyone would spend his or her time considering Barack Obama’s imagined role in “exaggerating the threat” of COVID-19 for his own political gain, when we have actual, real evidence that Donald Trump did the exact opposite for political gain. As Vanity Fair just recently reported, a former member of Jared Kushner’s COVID-19 task force has said, and I quote, “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy.” In other words, they knew how deadly this was, but, as it was hitting blue states the hardest, they decided to let it unfold, thinking that they could use it to attack Democratic governors. [I cannot wait for the class action suits against the federal government.] One really doesn’t have to look all that hard for conspiracy theories. They’re all right there, out in the open. All you have to do is open your eyes.

Speaking of which, remember in mid-July, when we’d heard that the Trump administration had stepped in to stop the CDC from collecting COVID-19 hospitalization data? Well it looks as though the CEO of the company that got the contract to take over the data collection, TeleTracking Technologies, is run by “a longtime Republican donor with ties to Trump Organization financiers.” So, again, why spend one’s time theorizing about a complicated plot involving Michelle Obama wresting power from a dementia-addled Joe Biden, when we can see what’s unfolding right in front of us, and it’s much, much worse.

I shouldn’t have to say this every day, but there is an infectious disease that is spreading across America, killing people — like my friend Monica Echeverri Casarez. And we have an administration that is not only neglecting to protect us, but actively lying about the situation, politicizing every aspect, and pushing us toward chaos and civil war. The idea of spending even one minute talking about how Obama might be trying to get back into the White House, when we have Donald Trump, who is actually in the White House, telling us that he’s considering the possibility of postponing the election, is in-fucking-sane. This is absolutely madness. We don’t need imagined threats. We have very real ones.

[Oh, and with almost 158,000 Americans dead, Trump is back on the golf course.]

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179 Comments

  1. Demetrius
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    I have no doubt that COVID kills … (True)

    Nor do I doubt that the Dems are exaggerating the threat to keep us isolated and fearful until after the election. (False)

    Over a year ago, there were reports in the news that Trump would not leave office and that he would put us under martial law. (Unfortunately true)

    It does seem coincidental that the virus, absentee voting for everyone, and violent demonstrations all seem to be leading to martial law and a fraudulent election result. (False)

    Biden might pick Michelle as his running mate. (Very False)

    Barack has been orchestrating the shadow government for the past 3 years … (If so, he’s been doing a really shitty job.)

    Regardless of outcome, 50% of the population will not accept the election results. (Probably true, give or take 10%)

    China might decide it is a good time to knock out our power grid. There could be mass starvation. And those who remain will be subject to a authoritarian government, because Progressives have had their plans at the ready for years, and won’t waste this crisis. (Batshit crazy.)

    However, they won’t be able to fight off the numbers of Chinese who would overflow the fledgling government and subject us all to their brutality. (It seems somebody’s been reading too many prepper/doomer handbooks … )

    Well this could happen but it may not. (Yes – but couldn’t that be said of nearly anything?)

    We could open our eyes to the forces trying to divide us. (Agree)

    If we want to maintain our freedoms and a limited ethical government, it has to change, and it needs to start with us. (Very true)

    We don’t have much time left to turn the course of history to avoid destruction. (Yes – I’m increasingly concerned about this myself.)

    How am I doing so far?

  2. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Time will tell if EOS’ theories have truth in them. I really don’t know.

    What I do know is that Maynard pushed conspiracy theories hard for 3 years. Does Maynard want to face any of his “Russia Russia Russia” bullshit or does he want to continue to pretend like that never happened? If you know anything about Mueller, steele, fisa abuses, page, papadopoulos, Horowitz….—then you know that Maynard was clueless and remains clueless. Maynard’s stupidity on these subjects is actually quite staggering.

  3. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Barky Bark and the Bunky Bunch

  4. Anonymous
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    “Russia Russia Russia”

    We know that Donald Trump’s administration tried to stop or otherwise slow the Mueller investigation into Russian campaign interference 10 times. It’s documented, as is the far that the Russians hacked the DNC servers to give Trump the 2016 advantage. (It wasn’t a 400 pound hacker, the Chinese, or a disgruntled DNC employee, it was Putin’s intelligence service.) These aren’t theories. These are facts. The “Russia ting” isn’t a “hoax”. It’s a fact. While Mueller did not establish a conversation between Trump and Putin, he very clearly showed that Putin worked to help him, and he not only gladly accepted the help, but worked to stop the investigation.

  5. Anonymous
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    While we’re on the subject of Russia, Trump still hasn’t criticized their offering bounties for murdered American soldiers in Afghanistan.

    The Washington Post’s “Trump’s Four-Pinocchio interview on Russian bounties” includes the this exchange from Axios.

    Jonathan Swan, Axios: “It’s been widely reported that the U.S. has intelligence indicating that Russia paid bounties, or offered to pay bounties, to Taliban fighters to kill American soldiers. You had a phone call with Vladimir Putin on July 23rd. Did you bring up this issue?”

    President Trump: “No, that was a phone call to discuss other things, and frankly, that’s an issue that many people said was fake news.”

    It was not “fake news”. The details are here.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/30/trumps-four-pinocchio-interview-russian-bounties/

  6. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Based upon what Anonymous just said I think it is safe to say that is a fact that Anonymous has a very low level understanding of the Mueller report.

  7. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    If Afghanistan troops were uninvited guests (combatants) in USA would we need Russia to pay us a bounty to initiate our killing of Afghan troops. Like a naive little child you fail to think through anything. It’s remarkable.

  8. Anonymous
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Google makes these things easy.

    The Associated Press: “The 10 instances of possible obstruction in Mueller report”

    https://apnews.com/e0d125d737be4a21a81bec3d9f1dffd8

  9. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Don’t worry Anonymous. Pretty much everyone here knows FF doesn’t have a clue about what he is talking about.

  10. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    We already attempted to think our way through the POSSIBLE obstruction. It’s in another thread. Lynne tried to defend it—presumably when she was off work. She failed. It’s like talking to children. I don’t have time to take you by your baby hand right now. There was a 3 year long conversation about this. You guys failed to pay attention sufficiently to pull yourselves out of ignorance.

    #babybots

  11. Anonymous
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Latching onto a conspiracy theory is not pulling oneself out of ignorance. It’s an imbalance between paranoid thinking and reality testing.

  12. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Maynard is a conspiracy theorist was my point—duh.

  13. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    For one thing how could there be obstruction of justice when the entire edifice of the Russia Investigation was UNJUST? Documents are out now proving Steele’s source was bunk and it was known to be bunk by the FBI. Clinton paid for Steele. It’s a slam dunk case against a bunch of people; many of the ones I predicted would fall. It’s amazing to see these people here who think the momentum is on their side.

  14. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    If I am such an idiot why is everything I said still possible? A lot of it has happened already but the maynardites are batting a big fat .000. For one thing everything you said about everything related to the Mueller Probe, which adds up to a metric fuck-ton of bullshit turned out completely wrong.

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    The worst part of your behavior isn’t lying. It’s attacking people who tell the truth with lies and straight abuse. It’s a way of life for you.

  16. Wobblie
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, this is off the subject of conspiracies. This is an interesting article on two of Trumps main virus advisors. I do not know anything about Redfield or Brix, but this is enlightening. People who get ahead utilizing fraudulent science seem just like the kind of people Trump would have advising him.
    Would help explain much about Trumps failure.

    https://degraw.substack.com/p/us-national-security-alert-military?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0e0f3Yp-zNA8safkz8V9RpsEOumZagKr2uOwm2MMeXkpnLpcuWt2RrsdE

  17. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Vague Guy,

    Have you bothered to take a look at the recently released congressional testimony of Shawn Henry? Not “Sean” Henry. Not “Jean” Henry. I really don’t have time to take another baby by the hand and offer you a free education. This stuff is old news and Cassandra already owes me $10k in student debt at least.

  18. Wobblie
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    The more I find out about Redfield the more I understand how Trump has screwed us so bad. Redfield is a scientist who has been bought and paid for by the christian right. If you look at the above memo which discusses Redfield’s fraud back in the 90’s, Shepherd Smith is mentioned as a frequent visitor to Redfield. Smith is a long time sex abstinence advocate. Looking back at Redfields 2018 appointment is enlightening as well.

  19. Anonymous
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    “Most physicians and prescribers are evidence-based, and they’re not influenced by whatever is on Twitter or anything else. And the evidence just does not show hydroxychloroquine is effective right now,”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nation-s-testing-czar-it-s-time-move-talk-about-n1235600

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    One good point among many in this informative article.

    https://yated.com/public-trust-shaken-by-fraudulent-covid-19-studies/

    HCQ Must Be Administered Early

    One major problem with the clinical trials described in the Lancet study is the complete blurring of an essential point: all patients in the clinical trials were already in the ‘inflammatory’ stage of the illness, when hydroxychloroquine is not expected to be effective.

  21. Posted August 2, 2020 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    The suggestion that many people will be going down for pushing the collusion investigation is absurd. It’s a narrative that is pushed to manipulate people. It’s serving it’s function, and will ultimately fizzle.

    Three and a half years is plenty of time to have investigated and prosecuted any cases against individuals who pushed the collusion investigation on false evidence. It isn’t a coincidence this is supposedly coming about just now as we approach the 2020 election.

    Suckering masses of people into support is common in politics. It’s a bit strange to see it work so well over and over, and over again.

    There are not going to be mass arrests. A few people may end up being found guilty of some relatively minor crimes. Pushing an investigation toward a conclusion with false evidence, and failing, is never punished like EOS, FF and HW are acting like it will be in this case.

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Nice opinion. I don’t think it will age well. Plenty of time? So what? I agree it’s no coincidence this drip drip drip of information right now. Soon it turns into a flood. That’s why it is being released on a measured basis. Each new drop prepares the public a little more for what is to come.

    It’s far from absurd. I am confident Durham has criminal charges in his criminal probe. I was not surprised to hear that a US Attorney named Bash has been tasked to investigate unmaskings in a spin-off of Durhams criminal investigation. Q mentioned not long ago Durham isn’t the only game in town. I knew about the Durham investigation from Q long before anyone here heard about it (from me). Now his criminal investigation of your crowd is imminent. So how is it an insane guy who believes insane shit is always telling you what is going to happen and then…after a while…it happens…

  23. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    “Pushing an investigation toward a conclusion with false evidence, and failing, is never punished like EOS, FF and HW are acting like it will be in this case.”

    So you rely on historical inertia. Nothing will happen because nothing ever happens. I don’t know if you notice it but in the Trump era I perceive an extreme increase in novelty. In the Obama time it seemed like every day was the same. Now it’s like “Damn that is old news, that’s from yesterday and shit…”

    I don’t think the nothing ever happens thing still applies. Why else would the deep staters (mostly dems, some repubs) be soooo desperate to Get Trump? They are going all out with this unrest and communist revolution shit not to mention the inflated covid death count and bogus investigations and on and on. It’s pretty fuckin’ wild I’d say.

  24. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Your people were protected before. That’s why nothing ever happened. They’ve been doing it for a long time. No more. Their protection is gone.

  25. Posted August 3, 2020 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    Yeah, right. It’s imminent. Everything is just about to happen. That’s the noise we’ve been hearing from you for a long time.

    It’s not just that “nothing will happen because nothing ever happens.” It’s that what is happening, has happened many times in many similar ways, and for the same reasons. This is a common manipulation. It happens over and over in a similar way.

    There has been nothing new about this Administration but the new extremes in incompetence, recklessness and absurdity.

  26. Posted August 3, 2020 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    HW: “Plenty of time? So what?”

    If it were genuinely what it is portrayed as being, it would have been done early on in this Administration’s occupation of the executive branch.

    You’re being suckered…corralled for your votes. That’s all. Cases against people who push false evidence are never strong. They never amount to much. A failed attempt to misdirect an investigation never does.

    This is all going to end up where the Obama birth certificate silliness disappeared to.

  27. Wobblie
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    Poor Oshkosh. 100 days into the pandemic 100 cases 1 death. Since being liberated by the death cult in Mid May. 1000+ new cases. 16 deaths. No end in sight. MAGA

  28. Anonymous
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fallout-insight/long-term-complications-of-covid-19-signals-billions-in-healthcare-costs-ahead-idUSKBN24Z1CM

    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink
    This one is different though. It can’t kill the young at all really. Why is that? Other infectious diseases do.

    It’s a plot of doctors! And hospitals! And insurance companies! Cui Bono?!

  29. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    “If it were genuinely what it is portrayed as being, it would have been done early on in this Administration’s occupation of the executive branch.”

    I don’t see the point of making random pronouncements such as this for which there is not even a discernible rationale.

  30. Posted August 3, 2020 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    When a new justice department takes over, they don’t wait around for three years to start pushing a prosecution. They begin right away, because they realize they may only have four years to complete it.

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    What are you talking about? It’s already well established Durham’s investigation was started by Sessions in 2017. I’m pretty sure Q said it was the same day as the first Q post.

  32. Posted August 3, 2020 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    When do you expect trials to commence?

  33. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    After the President is re-elected. It can’t be before the election or they will say it’s politically motivated. Indictments could come first though. Don’t know.

  34. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Quick prosecution of unlawful spying would have been construed by the media as obstruction of the 2 years long Mueller investigation . Why did the Mueller investigation take so long? 1)We now know because of the congressional testimony that all of the major players knew that there was no evidence of collusion in 2017–because they said so under oath in 2017. 2)We now know that we are unwilling to actually prosecute the supposed Russian actors behind the $10k social media campaign—because those Russian’s said they were willing to show up in court to defend themselves!. 3) we now know that Crowdstrike admitted in 2017 that they do not have evidence of Russia exfiltrating DNC documents. 1,2,3! That is everything!

    Why the fuck did it take so long? Is that not a red flag to you iRobert?

  35. EOS
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    It is a sad day when speaking truth gets one labeled as a conspiracist. But soon, a light will shine to reveal what has been done in darkness, and there will no longer be any excuses.

  36. Wobblie
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    And it has been a year and longer and nothing but propaganda FF and HW.
    One thing is glaringly apparent to anyone who is dealing with the Federal Government now, nothing works. In the last three weeks Ive had to deal with the USDOL, IRS and SS. Decisions and action on petitions, responses to simple info request, and even acknowledgments of my responses to their inquiries Are not occurring. Ive worked with these agencies for decades. The only parallel for this type of paralysis in the Federal government was during Nixons last year. Everything broke down then as well. It is a product of Senior decision makers all being “acting” newly appointed and functionally incompetent.

  37. Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Be sure to keep us all up to date on any and all developments in the investigation and associated cases. I’m confident I’ll be copying and pasting this discussion later.

  38. Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    EOS, much of what you say isn’t “speaking truth.” It’s speaking your perceptions or expectations. Your perceptions and expectations have often proven to be far from the truth.

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    It’s very weird to try to hinge so much on actual prosecution or lack thereof. I would rather intelligent people like iRobert to recognize something is smelling extremely fishy. The least people like iRobert could do is to not attack people that are hoping for Justice.

  40. Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Suggesting Trump and his appointees haven’t been in charge for the past three and a half years is insane. But I think it’s clear why you would grasp for such a fantasy. You have to blame the mess on someone, and you’re incapable of being critical of yourself or your own perspectives. You’ve always been that way.

  41. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    I think it would be a good first step for all of us to communally agree that Maynard is a conspiracy theorist. I have been worried about him for awhile.

  42. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    iRobert,

    The DNC, CIA, FBI and MSM are very powerful. Why did the Mueller report take so long in your opinion?

  43. Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    FF, politics is always fishy. Much of what the Trump Administration has been doing is just as fishy as the people who were trying to falsely establish a collusion connection. You simply choose to ignore the equally serious misconduct of Trump and his appointees.

    You’ve had nothing to say about attempts by the president to use his position for purposes of directing business to his own companies, to just name one example of the ongoing “fishy” business of this administration.

  44. Posted August 3, 2020 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    What did it take, about two years? That is a bit long, but I think Mueller was hoping the investigation would produce something more conclusive one way or the other. I think Mueller didn’t want to be responsible for what direction the investigation took, so he kept looking for testimony or evidence which would take the heat off of him in determining where it went.

  45. Posted August 3, 2020 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    We’ll all be watching how the Justice department’s investigations into spying and pushing false documents goes. I don’t expect any of you to report any details that don’t go the way you expect. The rest of us are going to have to bring those things up, and then will certainly be met with silence or shallow, dismissive comments. That’s the pattern here.

  46. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    You need to get out of this projection bubble. That’s for larvals like Jean and Dirty. You do exactly what you accuse us of. I answer just about everything. You gloss over hard facts with no substance pronouncements.

  47. Posted August 3, 2020 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    I usually don’t disagree with much of what you state about the hard facts, HW. My disagreements with you stem much more from interpretations of what the larger landscape involves. That’s not as easy to convey, and not easy to challenge others’ interpretations.

  48. Anonymous
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/01/schools-reopening-coronavirus-arizona-superintendent/?arc404=true

    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 6:48 pm | Permalink
    Barely anyone who gets it dies so it seems you are the fucking moron. Trying your best to degrade someone who has wasted you over and over online? What a bitch-ass way to live.

  49. Posted August 3, 2020 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    I agree individuals sought to fake evidence to establish at least the impression there was direct collusion. I don’t believe it was ordered from the top however. It may have been ordered through intelligence agents who had nefarious intent. And they may have been representing an interest which operates outside of official channels. I don’t think most of the people who were convinced there was likely collusion were consciously promoting falsehoods.

    You see our disagreements aren’t on the facts you point out, usually. It’s usually that I think there is additional information that is being ignored or discounted.

  50. Posted August 3, 2020 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Anonymous. I don’t think I’ve been wasted over and over by anyone, HW, as you said in the repost from Anonymous. I’d be interested in hearing examples though.

  51. Anonymous
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    https://theweek.com/articles/928403/most-damning-inside-portrait-trump-administration

    It’s either this or the umbrella academy.

  52. Posted August 3, 2020 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    EOS, HW, FF,

    What do you think about what is being said regarding the White House’s strategy to leave it to the Democratic governors to deal with the virus back when it was only those states which were having the big problems with spread?

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    I easily destroyed your claim that I am a moron or whatever the fuck you said because I referred to the case fatality rate as the covid death rate. You are the moron. I’m sure. Spewing bile at someone online for talking about that? Why?

    Your rationale didn’t even make sense. I said the true number will be far lower if the absolute ly-correct-in-physical-reality numbers were known. It turns out that concept of the true numbers is referred to as the Infection Mortality Rate and as you yourself pointed out like you were getting something over on me it is WAY LOWER than the case fatality rate. Still you spewed fuckin’ bile, dude. I don’t know what is wrong with you but just fuck off if you can’t be reasonable.

  54. Posted August 3, 2020 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    I do have an idea of what it wrong with you, HW. But we an talk about that at another time.

    With regard to the “death rate” back and forth we had weeks back, I was making the point that using current and somewhat inaccurate positive case counts and death totals which are many weeks lagging behind their corresponding case totals, was pointless. I still say any numbers you come up with by dividing a death total which hasn’t yet played out with bad test total numbers is just to push some BS narrative. Nothing meaningful comes from using absolutely flawed data.

  55. Posted August 3, 2020 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    I was just trying to establish what numbers you were actually referring to when you used the term @death rate.” You went bananas when all I was trying to do was clarify terms.

  56. Posted August 3, 2020 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Again, HW, what do you think about the White House deferring to the states on COVID-19 as a political strategy. It’s being reported that within the White House the thought was that as long as the virus was mostly a problem in states run by Democrats, it would be politically advantageous not to mobilize the usual federal response to national emergencies.

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    You said only a moron would use the case fatality rate! It’s…moronic…

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    So is denying it now. That starts to fall under gaslighting also.

  59. Posted August 3, 2020 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Yes, because you said it was derived from the positive test total which you yourself have been saying is wildly inaccurate.

  60. Wobblie
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Persistent and protracted criminal activity by thr Trump Organization , says the prosecutor

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5f284da7c5b6a34284be0eb8?fbclid=IwAR1xa7sewthcOivL3roFRMblkm9yjtNIG5lATa9pI9XoHfxO2MrCn_mxu4E&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9tLmZhY2Vib29rLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE8xA1T9_53IZbZa8KBXC_qzH-ZB29qGexy2fj1kiiZzhhk-RtCjSqLr0NjtDcfBlLS7izxuqChg0QVmUFlDIkeYFd-X49Sx_eOl33d44qPub3akJNht-OjCeNbybPplyqqT3ywTPiG6I1sE-4b2s0w6Oz1n6tBkEM5-Cu5sw2TZ

  61. Wobblie
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    If Cyrus Vance Jr. is anything like his dad Trump will spend his last days in orange.

  62. Posted August 3, 2020 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    You were using the term “death rate” and I asked you to clarify what numbers you were using to get it. I figured it would clarify what you were referring to exactly. Then you felt attacked and started going bananas and dodging my questions, not realizing I was just trying to get you to give details.

    I was saying using the rapidly exploding and immaculate positive case totals was pointless. I am still saying that. I’m also saying any comparison between current exponentially exploding test cases and death totals which lag many weeks behind produces meaningless results, which only people trying push nonsensical narratives would push.

  63. Posted August 3, 2020 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    I of course meant “inaccurate positive case totals”

    I’m still saying what I was saying then. Data derived from comparing the latest totals on positive tests which are exploding exponentially and wildly inaccurate in nature, and death totals which are lagging by many weeks, is utterly meaningless and is of no use except as bullshit propaganda.

  64. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    “Yes, because you said it was derived from the positive test total which you yourself have been saying is wildly inaccurate.”

    So where is the problem for me? The numbers I used are the ones you use and that you see in the news media. When you use them don’t be mad when someone else says well using those same numbers the rate is 3.6 or whatever it is. Don’t be mad the case fatality rate is in fact going down like I said. Don’t be mad if you try hurling abuse at me about some bullshit and someone fucks you up.

  65. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Don’t be mad if you do that and *I* fuck you up. Don’t cry like a little bitch when you try to ridicule someone and they are not having it and easily prove you are an idiot.

  66. Posted August 3, 2020 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    I was just trying to get you to clarify what numbers you were referring to. That’s all. You responded like I was attacking you.

    You apparently haven’t noticed that I don’t talk much about the positive test totals. That is because I don’t think those numbers are very useful.

    It’s the percent of positive tests to negative tests that is a more significant and helpful number.

    You don’t have to be such a dick all the time, HW. People aren’t always trying to attack you. Sometimes people might just be trying to clarify details.

  67. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    “Data derived from comparing the latest totals on positive tests which are exploding exponentially and wildly inaccurate in nature, and death totals which are lagging by many weeks, is utterly meaningless and is of no use except as bullshit propaganda.”

    And data from just…the best guess using an arbitrary model…is superior? It’s accurate to extrapolate how many people have it based on a shoddy test but to merely refer to official numbers that you use yourself is propaganda. Okay there.

  68. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Do you deny you have spewed bile in my direction constantly for a while now? You abuse reason to do it too which I hate. Go back and read your own posts, dick. I have no problem calling you anything I feel like now that you are showing your stripes. Notice I was at least neutral if not kind to you when you spoke to me respectfully. Now it’s like muthafuck you.

  69. Lynne
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    iRobert, why do you bother? It seems clear to me that HW has little grasp on reality, dismisses any facts that don’t match his world view, declares himself the winner of arguments he has clearly lost by any sane person’s standards, bullies people and calls it kindness, etc. I think he is hopeless and thus, best ignored. The less voice he has the better. (which is of course why it is important that other people vote!)

  70. Posted August 3, 2020 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    You’re probably right, Lynne.

  71. Posted August 3, 2020 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    I tried to explain how studies have been done to estimate the actual percentage of people in general populations which are infected. It was like trying to tell a dog about space travel.

  72. Sad
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    EOS made it big time. Congratulations.

    You all will take some time off in August?

    Right?

  73. Wobblie
    Posted August 3, 2020 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    New study on the cardiovascular damage the trumpvirus causes in survivors. People’s preoccupation with fatalities is extremely short sighted. Millions of people may have permanent cardiovascular impairment. Making them much more vulnerable to, sat the flu?

    “this cohort study including 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 identified from a COVID-19 test center, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis“

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916?fbclid=IwAR0MQr9m5W7iZ3Xm-StRrJ21BOuFeMhtlmAqNPBd4q5Yz2zUWQ9A9svFEM8

  74. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    “I tried to explain how studies have been done to estimate the actual percentage of people in general populations which are infected.”

    So what?

    “It was like trying to tell a dog about space travel.”

    You actually think that is superior information; something I can’t comprehend? That is bizarre.

  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    You are a lot like Jean I am coming to understand. You are so far behind you think you are ahead..

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    You tried to degrade me for saying something correct that you somehow couldn’t understand and then acted like I am the one with the comprehension problem. How ill.

  77. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    You essentially were doing the same thing Trump was in that Axios interview. You’re a lot like him intellectually and emotionally. I assume that’s why you respond to him like Pavlov’s dog.

    I gave up trying to explain to you why using exploding positive test totals and lagging death numbers gives you a meaningless result. Some things just won’t sink into that bong skull of yours.

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    How is it meaningless? You didn’t show how at all. You just keep repeating a vague statement about lag that hasn’t held up. In May you said the lag would show the true scale in a couple of weeks and that didn’t happen.

    I explained it simply in the beginning and somehow you still don’t understand. The more that confirmed cases increase compared to covid related deaths, the less deadly we know for a fact the disease is. That makes a difference. In fact pandemics are defined by the CDC in part by the disease mortality rate.

    Just admit you are fucked.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/12/outbreaks-vs-epidemics.html

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been careful to characterize the sharp uptick in flu cases as an outbreak, rather than an epidemic. What’s the difference between an outbreak and an epidemic, and where do pandemics fit into the nomenclature of disease?

    In terms of the flu, the difference between an outbreak and an epidemic is the percenatge of overall deaths caused by the disease. Every week, the CDC gathers morbidity data from hospitals in 122 cities nationwide and figures out what percentage of the decedents died of pneumonia, cancer, and other prolific killers. If the number of flu-caused deaths exceeds 7.7 percent of the total, then the United States officially has an epidemic on its hands. According to the latest survey, only 7.2 percent of last week’s deaths were due to influenza, so there’s no epidemic yet.

  79. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    You saw Trump in the Axios interview. He was doing essentially the same thing you were a week before.

    You don’t grasp that today’s total positive test numbers do not correspond to the number of deaths reported up to this point. That is the significance of the lag of many weeks between initial infection of a given population and the ultimate outcome for that given population.

    You’re an idiot, HW. You’re an idiot in the same way Trump demonstrates he is in that Axios video. Neither of you are capable of grasping why the graphs he had printed out are of meaningless information. Nobody could ever explain it to either of you.

  80. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Actual research is done to estimate the deadlines of the virus. It’s done by testing a random sample of the entire population. I assume you don’t understand how that would give you a meaningful result.

  81. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Very obviously it’s you who is the idiot. What are you trying to say I don’t understand about a lag between initial infection of a population and the ultimate outcome”? As much as that is a factor it’s part and parcel of the metric. How long is the lag exactly and specifically how does it affect the covid mortality rate and by how much? When did I ever deny true information on that or anything else? You are tripping on random nonsense again that you just made up out of thin air.

  82. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Deadlines?

    Why are you implying I don’t understand the concept of extrapolation of data? You don’t understand I take it for granted that it’s understood that will be done. A lot of different ways to analyze something like this will be used. If you are intelligent you can consider all of them and not feel the need to make some crazy attack on someone who makes a point you don’t like with the data. If the mortality rate is so stupid and false why is it used by the CDC?

  83. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    HW: “How is it meaningless?”

    It’s a number which is the result of comparing two values which do not correspond to one another. Also, the positive test number is known to be very inaccurate.

    HW: “You didn’t show how at all.”

    I’ve said this several times.

    HW: “You just keep repeating a vague statement about lag that hasn’t held up.”

    The lag between positive test totals and corresponding death totals is known to be several weeks. How is that a vague statement?

    HW: “In May you said the lag would show the true scale in a couple of weeks and that didn’t happen.”

    Maybe you didn’t see, I discussed that a few times. The additional lag that occurred with states in the south half of the US is believed to be at least in part a result of the virus spreading through the young people.

  84. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Trump demonstrated the misunderstanding he has regarding death rate. He was entirely focused on the same meaningless comparison you have been.

  85. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    The reason positive test totals exploded further ahead of surges in hospitalizations and deaths in the southern states than they did in northern states, is due to the more vulnerable populations taking measures to stay safer while young people were still spreading the virus wildly among themselves.

  86. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    You don’t understand why the graphs Trump was trying to share during the Axios interview were meaningless. I don’t expect you ever will. Your thinking is very much like Trump’s.

  87. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    There are so many problems with your argument it’s hard to keep up. You have to specifically state how they don’t correspond. If it’s the lag you are talking about then they do correspond. They are off by a certain decreasing amount until the lag is over. Over time as there are more cases and fatalities the lag becomes less of a factor in the total numbers anyway.

    You dumb fuck. All I said is the mortality rate is going down, which it is, but somehow that triggered the fuck out of you. You want to say only a moron would use the case fatality rate. I’m afraid that puts you in your own little quacky bubble. It’s commonly used by the CDC and everyone else who collects data on it.

  88. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    No, you can’t accept reason with good evidence. Whether it is considered a pandemic is determined by the case fatality rate. I showed the evidence. You can’t answer it therefore you are fucked. I make it look easy because it is. Your ego can’t take your attitudes getting destroyed so you are mad at the one who did it.

  89. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    You did what Trump was doing in the Axios video essentially. He doesn’t understand why the graphs he printed out are based on meaningless information, and I assume you don’t either.

    Nobody is here to fix you, HW. We’re all here to make fun of you. You’re here to troll Mark, and we’re here to troll you.

  90. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    The Axios video of Trump was hilarious, but also very sad. It’s sad for Trump that his mind is so stunted. But it’s far more sad for the country that this is what we’ve had in place of a president during a national emergency.

  91. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Did you go to vote in the primary yet today?

  92. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Your problem is you can’t wrap your mind around the elementary concept that it is possible to talk about a thing in context using a set of data and not be endorsing the data or espousing belief in it. The case fatality rate is down according to the official numbers. You say the cfr is meaningless with the merest shred of a rationale you refuse to articulate with facts, not half-ass pronouncements.

  93. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    For the record you are saying the CDC and the WHO and the rest are morons for using the case fatality rate and that it is propaganda, correct?

  94. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    I am saying they all know it is not meaningful information and it varies depending on a number of arbitrary factors. The only people who reference it are those who are seeking to push an inaccurate narrative.

    The Axios video of Trump demonstrates very vividly what the product is of one of these inaccurate narratives. Trump doesn’t even have the slightest clue why the information he’s had graphed is meaningless.

  95. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    They still use it though! My reference to that makes me a moron how? You are the moron. Any lag becomes less of a problem over the course of the pandemic as total numbers mount and the leading edge becomes less of a percentage of the whole. It’s a vanishing problem if a problem at all.

    You use the same death number they use. We know for a fact that’s not correct because of false results in the PCR test. It necessarily affects the number of covid-related deaths. Even the covid-related death number can’t be the correct if you are trying to find the number actually killed by the virus. So the number you use is moronic. It’s still the official number being used so I’m not trying to make YOU responsible. See the difference?

  96. Anonymous
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-interview-transcript-with-axios-on-hbo

    Jonathan Swan: (13:46)
    Oh, you’re doing death as a proportion of cases. I’m talking about death as a proportion of population. That’s where the U.S. is really bad, much worse than South Korea, Germany, et cetera.
    President Donald J. Trump: (13:55)
    You can’t do that.
    Jonathan Swan: (13:56)
    Why can’t I do that?
    President Donald J. Trump: (13:58)
    You have to go by where… look. Here is the United States. You have to go by the cases. The cases are there.
    Jonathan Swan: (14:04)
    Why not as a proportion of population?
    President Donald J. Trump: (14:07)
    What it says is, when you have somebody where there’s a case-
    Jonathan Swan: (14:11)
    Oh, okay.
    President Donald J. Trump: (14:11)
    The people that live from those cases.
    Jonathan Swan: (14:14)
    Oh. It’s surely a relevant statistic to say, if the U.S. has X population and X percentage of death of that population versus South Korea-
    President Donald J. Trump: (14:22)
    No. Because you have to go by the cases.
    Jonathan Swan: (14:22)
    Well, look at South Korea, for example. 51 million population, 300 deaths. It’s like, it’s crazy compared to-
    President Donald J. Trump: (14:28)
    You don’t know that.
    Jonathan Swan: (14:29)
    I do.
    President Donald J. Trump: (14:30)
    You don’t know that.
    Jonathan Swan: (14:31)
    You think they’re faking their statistics, South Korea? An advanced country?
    President Donald J. Trump: (14:33)
    I won’t get into that because I have a very good relationship with the country.

  97. iRobert
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    The death totals are certainly understated. Some research suggests it may be as much as 25% higher than the totals being reported. So, yes, the death totals are not a full accounting. I try to make that clear in the wording I use when posting the numbers. I’ve referred to the death totals as “total reported deaths.”

  98. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    That’s 10% more false positives than false negatives according to this research I already posted…yawn…That automatically bumps up the total deaths. With accuracy such as this how can the person’s covid status be truly known, let alone everyone?

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200717005397/en/CDC-Coronavirus-Test-Kits-Generate-30-False
    CDC Coronavirus Test Kits Generate 30% False Positive and 20% False Negative Results – Connecticut Pathologist’s Newly Published Findings Confirm

  99. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Vague Guy,

    You really are not doing a good job proving you are not obtuse. It’s similar to the other day when you cited an article about possible obstruction brought up in the Mueller Report—as if you thought you scored a point based upon the shockingly strange assumption that I was not aware of list of possible obstructions in the report. Your “arguments” are highly odd. Maybe they are not arguments? I really don’t know.

  100. Posted August 4, 2020 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

    (From The Economist)

  101. Anonymous
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/8/4/21354055/trump-axios-interview-jonathan-swan

    There are no arguments. I’m presenting the president’s positions, many times in his own words. As you said, he’s an old man who is not an expert who claims more knowledge than he has and is easily confused when questioned.

  102. Sad
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    It never gets old HW.

    And your stamina is impressive.

  103. Anonymous
    Posted August 4, 2020 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/is-trump-greeting-jews-or-trying-to-say-yosemite/

    Maybe he was thinking of a Beatles tune.

  104. Sad
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    How do you keep it up HW?

    Most men can’t keep going and going like you do.

  105. Eel
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    “CDC Coronavirus Test Kits Generate 30% False Positive and 20% False Negative Results – Connecticut Pathologist’s Newly Published Findings Confirm”

    OMG! We should start digging up some coffins! Just think of all the false positives down there, scratching at their coffin lids.

  106. Anonymous
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    The appropriate epidemiological terms for test performance in a non business related promotional press release would be test sensitivity and specificity, and then when put into a patient population with a certain disease prevalence, can then be translated into the more useful terms of positive predictive value and negative predictive value. Of course, that is also placed in context of clinical judgement of each particular patient’s presentation.

    I’ll let doubters do some independent research themselves to disprove this statement, and if they can’t, then they’ve been owned.

  107. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    This is the research in question. http://www.int-soc-clin-geriat.com/info/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Dr.-Lees-paper-on-testing-for-SARS-CoV-2.pdf

  108. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    “OMG! We should start digging up some coffins! Just think of all the false positives down there, scratching at their coffin lids.”

    You never noticed people die every single day?

  109. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Vague Guy,

    What you just did is the opposite of what people with competency in a field do, insofar as they care about expanding the understanding of people with less competency in that given field. Think about how you living up to your nickname even when you are trying to do the opposite.

  110. wobblie
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Isn’t it amazing how the NHL bubble (both in Canada) can test everyone daily and not one, I repeat not one, positive test. I wonder where the NHL gets its test. Of course the NHL has lots of Canadian and European players, and I suspect there are only a few death cult members among the US players.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/03/us/nhl-coronavirus-spt-trnd/index.html
    Meanwhile all the death cult has to say is, We have not killed as many as you think.

  111. wobblie
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW, I have been looking at your scribbles for years. Thanks for once contributing something worthwhile. The study you linked was quit informative. I assume you are going to work to ensure the Federal Government makes the resources available so the results of this study can be implemented.
    As the author states, “. Routine nucleotide sequencing of
    all detected 398-bp N gene amplicons guarantees no-false positive results in SARS-CoV-2 assays.”
    This secondary test to eliminate false positives will require additional lab resources as well as testing resources. I assume you are in favor of Trump issuing executive orders to ensure we get these resources in place in an expeditious manner

  112. wobblie
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    As the author of the study states, ” Molecular diagnosis of SARSCoV-2 infection will become a serious matter and a positive test result must be substantiated by a DNA
    sequencing electropherogram showing the genomic fingerprints of the virus. ”

    In the rest of the “1st” world where the virus has been successfully contained, a positive pcr test is always followed up by confirmatory testing. This is how China was able to engage in mass testing millions in just days, by testing a hundred samples simultaneously, and among those groups who tested positive then retesting the individuals. Our CDC only authorized this type of testing recently, and then only groups of 10 individuals I believe v the 100 that are used in China. Of course charging for testing each individual brings a higher profit margin. MAGA

  113. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    So if it is possible to guarantee no false positives why does the CDC not do it? I thought they were trustworthy.

  114. Anonymous
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    FF

    I’m pretty sure you are the only one who finds me vague. It would be if you called me Tall Guy. It doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m tall. Maybe you are just short.

  115. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    “It doesn’t necessarily mean that”—Vague Guy

    I am pretty sure I am not the only one who finds you vague. Even if everyone thought you were vague “it doesn’t necessarily mean that” you are actually vague. Even if I am the only one who finds you vague “it doesn’t necessarily mean that” you are not vague.

  116. Anonymous
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Space travel. Dogs. Short guy.

  117. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Not Necessarily Vague Guy,

    I have no reason to believe that you are not fabulously tall.

  118. Wobblie
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    HW you just don’t pay attention to what the Leader has done to the CDC. The current Director (who amazingly is not as bad as the first guy Trump appointed) is a hack. You Are so enthralled by your hero worship that you are blind to the numerous ways he has undermined good government. Privatization and The need to reward cronies and sycophants are more important.
    Check points to enter NY city. Mandatory quarantine for those coming from plague states. MAGA
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/new-york-city-sets-up-quarantine-checkpoints-as-it-toughens-state-travel-restrictions.html

  119. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Cuomo is doing it the right way. It’s too bad we all didn’t do it like Cuomo.

  120. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    It is xenophobic (even racist) for other countries to ban us from entering their country right now. Right?

  121. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    It’s people you support who put the ones in there who fucked us over. Playing with people’s lives is nothing new. CDC using crappy zika tests in 2016…Huh!

    https://www.pogo.org/investigation/2020/06/cdc-whistleblower-identified-the-fatal-flaw-in-testing-years-ago/

  122. Wobblie
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Yep, and Trump has only made things so very much worse. When every decision is made through the matrix of what do I get out of it, you end up with a lot of short sighted stupid decisions that impact badly for most of us.

  123. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    You say that like it’s a fact. That’s one of those larval traits.

  124. Wobblie
    Posted August 5, 2020 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    1265 dead yesterday pretty much proves my point.

    A novel testing method for a novel virus

    https://theconversation.com/amp/these-dogs-are-trained-to-sniff-out-the-coronavirus-most-have-a-100-success-rate-143756?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1WE0ZV9XruiLCF0WWUJd0FZjxEBAIqKpwNPTeoeUVJTWSmnVp_7zGpVDM

  125. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 9, 2020 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    “1265 dead yesterday pretty much proves my point.”

    In your mind only. There is no way to know that. If Clinton was prez we might have a million dead already. It might not have had to happen at all. No way to compare to what “would” have happened if Trump was not in there. Notice we are still in the minimum projected range of 100 to 200 thousand deaths and many of those recorded did not even die of covid. Don’t be a communist propaganda rooting pig.

  126. Posted August 9, 2020 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    No other previous president would have dismissed the spreading virus as a hoax. No other previous president would believe and say the virus would infect 15 people and then go away. It is absolutely stupid.

  127. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 9, 2020 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Only he wasn’t talking about the virus’ existence. He was talking about dems politicizing it. There were no known US deaths at that time. Why is it so easy to waste you whenever I want?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721

    “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus,” Trump said. “They have no clue, they can’t even count their votes in Iowa.”

    “This is their new hoax,” Trump continued, adding that attacking the White House’s response to the coronavirus had become the Democratic Party’s “single talking point.”

    “Democrats will always say horrible things,” Trump said. “Democrats want us to fail so badly.”

    Trump — who has been criticized for painting an overly rosy picture of the outbreak, often contradicting his own health officials — insisted on Friday that his administration was “magnificently organized” and “totally prepared” to address the virus.

    “My administration has taken the most aggressive acts in history to prevent the spread in the United States,” Trump said, touting his decision to ban foreign nationals recently in China from entering the U.S.

    “So far we have lost nobody to coronavirus,” Trump said, suggesting the growing global panic was due to the press being in a “hysteria mode.”

  128. Posted August 9, 2020 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done,”

  129. Posted August 9, 2020 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Only an absolute moron would not understand a virus which is 2 to 3 times more contagious than the common cold is going to spread through the majority of the population.

  130. Posted August 9, 2020 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    HW: “Why is it so easy to waste you whenever I want?”

    You’re delusional. You’re not “wasting” anyone. You just ignore every detail that demonstrates the reality is not consistent with your claims.

  131. Wobblie
    Posted August 9, 2020 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    The death cult lives in a Totally different reality. The only thing that matters to these psychotic people is “wasting” their enemies. Facts and reality are of no importance. Like all anti-social “supermen,”, they are geeking themselves up to the task of physical intimidation and ultimately annihilation of any who resist. They are anti-equality and anti-democratic to the core. Worthwhile studying what the popular resistance is doing In Bolivia.
    https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/bolivia-social-movements-maintain-blockades-despite-threats-20200808-0004.html?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork&fbclid=IwAR1Cm45lUiAr9t2iv8l8JjCAVAvxo7sIKsiSUScji0Giq6X4ubwSGX9qRBQ

  132. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 9, 2020 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    You are the ignorant one. That is obvious. I answer everything and prove you wrong with evidence as I did in my last post. You don’t answer shit. You just say “only a moron blah blah blah.” It’s garbage. In a debate you would lose. That’s what I consider wasting someone in this blog comments format and you have been getting it at will.

  133. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 9, 2020 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    So everyone who criticized the President’s life-saving decision to cut off travel is a moron, right? To invoke the unholy specter of racism and xenophobia to tar him for doing it would be even worse than a moron. What is worse than a moron? A potato? Only a potato would call such a prescient move racist. Evil potatoes, man. They are real. I’m tellin’ ya.

  134. Posted August 10, 2020 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    HW: “So everyone who criticized the President’s life-saving decision to cut off travel is a moron, right?”

    Yes, I’ve said so multiple times.

  135. Posted August 10, 2020 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    Trump said ““And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done,”

    That’s shows that he thought it wasn’t going to spread here. That is why he said it was a “hoax.” You got destroyed and don’t realize it.

  136. Posted August 10, 2020 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    Trump’s comments demonstrated he didn’t understand the threat. People, including many Democratic Party leaders were imploring Trump to act in preparation to the threat. That is what he dismissed as a “hoax.”

    Destroyed you with ease.

  137. Posted August 10, 2020 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    Qanon is a ploy to corral Internet crackpots. Promises of mass arrests are a ploy. Years have played out showing this to be the case.

    Destroyed you on that too.

  138. Posted August 10, 2020 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    I predicted a bunch of Trumpanzees would injure themselves setting off fireworks over July 4th weekend.

    Destroyed you on that.

  139. Posted August 10, 2020 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1292595011348041729

    Destroyed again.

  140. Posted August 10, 2020 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    When you posted a link to IHME’s projection that COVID-19 would kill around 60,000 in the US, I said there was no chance the deaths would magically stop there. You responded by suggesting I would be ”iRobert the Anazing” to know that.

    Destroyed you.

  141. Posted August 10, 2020 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    When Trumpanzees here were suggesting Governor Whitmer was killing residents of long term care facilities, I simply posted a link showing most other states have much higher percentages of their deaths occurring in their long-term care facilities.

    Destroyed.

  142. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    So since the President is sooo far ahead of the morons why are you trying to blame him? Your little arguments you claim to destroy me with are so dumb. I bring the real shit; knowledge. You are just yapping about nothing.

  143. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    “Trump’s comments demonstrated he didn’t understand the threat. People, including many Democratic Party leaders were imploring Trump to act in preparation to the threat. That is what he dismissed as a “hoax.”

    DEMS were imploring Americans to NOT change anything and rather GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to go to Chinatown so you are fucked.

  144. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    We’ve already been through this. It’s remedial education time with iDerp.

  145. Posted August 10, 2020 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    I see you’re thinking you’re going to dodge being mocked for all the ways you’ve been owned over and over by me here. I’ll keep reminding you. And the ways you’ve been wrong are going to keep piling up. You’re a sucker and you’re going to keep getting suckered by your mentally and emotionally stunted role model.

  146. Posted August 10, 2020 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Our little exchange on the “death rate” played out days later between your stunted role-model and Jonathan Swan in the Axios interview. Trump put on full display the idiocy of using the numbers you were using to try to make a failed point.

    You got destroyed, and I didn’t have to even do it myself. That was funny.

  147. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    “Qanon is a ploy to corral Internet crackpots. Promises of mass arrests are a ploy. Years have played out showing this to be the case.
    Destroyed you on that too.”

    If you turn out to be wrong what will you do? You will have hassled me and everyone else for no reason other than you are a major dickhead. I have understood for a long time now that this operation will take years.

    Where are the indictments? They haven’t been unsealed. Any inkling of why that tends to support what Q says? They are still racking up according to pacer.gov screenshots. I would think anti-Q people would seize on it right away if the pacer.gov information is false.

  148. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    “Our little exchange on the “death rate” played out days later between your stunted role-model and Jonathan Swan in the Axios interview. Trump put on full display the idiocy of using the numbers you were using to try to make a failed point.
    You got destroyed, and I didn’t have to even do it myself. That was funny.”

    The only way you can pretend this is to IGNORE the fact that case mortality rate determine whether there is even a ‘pandemic’ or not. Oh, that doesn’t exist! Derp.

  149. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    The ‘secret’ to never being destroyed in your weed-addled mind is never acknowledging the details of when you were. Just pretend to ignore it. I know you don’t though. At least subconsciously, you know you’ve been suckered. You’ll have increasing difficulty kidding yourself about that over the next several months.

    I’ll remind you and everyone else here. You can count on it.

  150. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Trump put on full display your moronic thinking in that Axios interview. You can’t erase that, megaderp.

  151. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Regarding fireworks how you you “destroy me” on something I didn’t talk about or care about? This is getting bizarre. You are an admitted troll and all you are trying to do is troll me by saying ‘trumpanzee’. You’re really doing something there. Waow.

  152. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    HW: “If you turn out to be wrong what will you do? You will have hassled me and everyone else for no reason other than you are a major dickhead. I have understood for a long time now that this operation will take years.”

    I always do the same thing when I’m wrong. Unlike you, I have no problem admitting when I am. You hide from the issues you got suckered on. You make lame excuses.

    You’ve long since passed the moment when most suckers realize they’ve been suckered on the mass arrests bullshit. You’re a joke, dickhead, and o your own making.

  153. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    The President is correct. You do have to look at the case fatality rate and it is going down which is what I said in the beginning. To attack people as ‘morons’ for that is moronic in the extreme.

  154. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    I guarantee it is you who is fucked, troll. It’s all going that way now and no amount of shit that you add to this world can stop it.

  155. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    HW: “Regarding fireworks how you you “destroy me” on something I didn’t talk about or care about? This is getting bizarre. You are an admitted troll and all you are trying to do is troll me by saying ‘trumpanzee’. You’re really doing something there. Waow.”

    That was a joke, stupid. I was making fun of how you think you’re making predictions about things anyone would know is going to happen. Trunpanzees are going to blow their hands off with fireworks. That’s a given. That’s the joke in acting like I predicted it. You’re a dumbass predicting Barr is going to pursue phony investigations to keep internet crackpots like you and EOS tagging along.

  156. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    What do you always do when you wage a psychological attack campaign against someone for years but then find that everything you said turned out to be a lie?

  157. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    HW: “I guarantee it is you who is fucked, troll. It’s all going that way now and no amount of shit that you add to this world can stop it.”

    It will all fizzle after the election, dumbass sucker.

  158. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    All kinds of people blow their fucking hands off every year. Shut up. Antifa derp blew his face off with one trying to throw it at cops. You are so fuckin’ DUMB, dude.

  159. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    HW: “What do you always do when you wage a psychological attack campaign against someone for years but then find that everything you said turned out to be a lie?”

    I’ve been very actively involved in electoral politics for 35 years, and that’s never happened. I’ve watched suckers like you crawl out and then disappear for years.

  160. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    HW: “All kinds of people blow their fucking hands off every year. Shut up. Antifa derp blew his face off with one trying to throw it at cops. You are so fuckin’ DUMB, dude.”

    That was the point of the joke, you simpleton.

  161. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    You have real trouble following some pretty simple rhetoric. A person of modest intelligence would understand from this that the dosing has done them harm.

  162. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    It’s different now in case you haven’t noticed. I’m still here and the Q plan is rolling on. Durham is batting next. Grand Slam or a big whiff you think?

  163. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    “That was the point of the joke, you simpleton.”

    Your humor sucks. Same as wobblie.

  164. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    You do realize I’m trolling a troll, right?

  165. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Where’d FF go?

    He doesn’t have as much time for us anymore it seems.

  166. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Wobblie sometimes gets a good joke in. Mark mocks you guys much better, and I am now starting to suspect you don’t realize it.

  167. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    I don’t fit the definition of a troll though. A troll is putting on an act to get a rise out of people like what you do. I am sincere. All I came here to do is talk in a mature manner among what I thought were other adults. Turned out it is one big grade school recess. Tried to give you people time to get your ya yas out and get down to serious discussion but obviously that couldn’t happen. Very sincere here; not a troll. You are an admitted one though.

  168. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    You’re simply trolling “Bark Baynard.”

    Destroyed.

  169. Posted August 10, 2020 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Stop kidding yourself, HW. You’re here because you can’t have intelligent discussions in the real world. I’ve never seen you around town putting your two cents in on issues.

    At least Jean is capable of that much.

  170. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Barky encouraged everyone to mock me with “creative” (childish) names. It took a long time and a mountain of bullshit directed at me to begin to refer to him as that. The real difference is whenever I say something like that it there is something behind it. It’s not based on mockery. That is just a bit of icing. People who think they are doing something by merely saying ‘pud’ or ‘trumpanzee’ are out of their minds.

  171. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    How do you think you would know if you ever saw or heard anything from me before? I’ve been around for a while and I always speak my mind, sometimes in very public venues.

  172. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    By the way, wobblederp and the rest of you: how do you like JA being subpoenaed re: SR??? Sounds good to me. How come everything seems to go my way in the end?

  173. Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    HW: “How do you think you would know if you ever saw or heard anything from me before?”

    From the details you’ve shared and from the ideas you’ve expressed, I am sure I’d remember you if I’d witnessed you sharing your opinions in public.

    HW: “I’ve been around for a while and I always speak my mind, sometimes in very public venues.”

    It is likely we have crossed paths, but have not heard one another’s opinions. For a while, I thought you might be Paul Jensen. But now I’m sure you’re not.

    You should get very active in the Trump campaign. They need all the help they can get here in Michigan.

  174. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Sure, sure.

  175. Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    I’m on the lookout now. I’m sure Mark, Jean and Wobblie are as well. We’ll all meet eventually. This is a pretty small community.

  176. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Fauci 1/26: “The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It’s a very, very low risk to the United States, it isn’t something that the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about.”

    I’ve already posted quotes by dems they said way after comments by the President you are harping on where they are saying don’t be racist and listen to Trump, get out in large groups in public like never before.

  177. Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    I’ve seen Jean countless times. Mark many as well. I’m guessing I’ve met Wobblie but haven’t pinpointed which one of a few suspects he is.

  178. disinterested observer
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    In my unbiased opinion, iRobert’s arguments are more credible than Hyborian Warlord’s.

  179. disinterested observer
    Posted August 10, 2020 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    In my unbiased opinion, Paul Jensen is as credible as Hyborian Warlord.

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