Today in Stupid America: Republican Congressman Louie Gohmert gets diagnosed with COVID-19, says he probably got it because he was wearing a mask

During our present pandemic, Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert, a diehard supporter of Donald Trump, has prided himself on not following public health guidance. And, not just that, but he’s known to have berated members of his staff for wearing masks in his office. Well, news broke today that Gohmert has COVID-19. And word has it that the Congressman, after finding out that he had the disease, returned to his D.C. office to inform his staff in person, putting them all at risk. And that itself would probably warrant a conversation here. But Gohmert, as he’s known to do, went one step further, telling a Texas reporter today that he likely contracted the disease not because of his time spent flaunting public health guideline, but because of the fact that he has, on occasion, worn a mask. That’s right, the Congressman is suggesting that mask wearing is likely responsible for his condition. Oh, and to cap it all off, he’s now saying that he’s going to take Trump’s advice and start taking hydroxychloroquine, the antimalarial drug that the FDA says is “unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19,” to treat the disease.

[“I can’t help but wonder if by keeping a mask on and keeping it in place, if I might have put some… of the virus on the mask and breathed it in,” Gohmert said.]

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, apparently intent on killing everyone in Congress, has responded by making mask-wearing mandatory, saying, “Any person not wearing a face cover will be asked to put on a face cover or leave the building.”

Oh, here’s one more thing to keep in mind. Back in February of this year, Donald Trump said the following of COVID-19. “You have 15 people,” he said, “and the 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero.” Well, as of today, over 150,000 Americans have lost their lives to the disease. And the Republicans, who assailed Barack Obama for the two lives that we lost during the Ebola crisis, are still quiet.

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195 Comments

  1. Nobody
    Posted July 29, 2020 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Below is a link to an interview with a professor of infectious disease talking about covid 19. Specific to hydroxycloroquine is the segment starting at roughly minute mark 25:20.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHFkrs19e3k&feature=emb_title

  2. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    I urge all Trump supporters to get all their medical advice from Trump. He’s a stable genius and dabbles in medical issues and research. He gets this stuff. A lot of the epidemiologists are surprised at how well he understands this stuff. If you get COVID-19, get on hydroxycloroquine immediately, and “hit the body” with bright light and disinfectant of some sort.

  3. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    The mask is only effective if worn and handled properly. If worn while speaking or coughing, it reduces the number of and velocity of viral particles being spread and in that way protects others. But look at the Speaker in the video. She is wearing the mask as a fashion accessory around her neck. And instead of asking members to wear the mask when speaking, she says it’s ok to remove the mask when speaking.

    She probably adjusted the microphone before she started speaking, her hands are touching the surface of the podium, and someone even hands her a piece of paper. Will she clean her hands before she touches her mask to put it back in place?

    Once she puts it back on and wears it for awhile, it’s likely to become damp from her breath. The next time she takes it off to hang around her neck, it acts like a sponge to trap and catch any particles floating in the air. Good thing is that she probably can afford to use a new mask each day.

    Not so with the people shopping at your local grocery store. They may be using the same mask for weeks. They might pick up a dozen items to put in their basket. Next, they are pulling down their mask to ask the clerk where some item is located. Then when they put the mask back in place, they touch it several times to adjust it. They use cash to pay for their purchases and put the change in their pocket. As soon as they step out of the store, they remove the mask and keep it hanging on their ear. When they get to their car, they throw it on the seat, or put it in their purse which is full of items that have been handled and contaminated.

    I’m sorry, but the way most people wear and store their masks does make it more likely that it increases their chances of exposure.
    Don’t touch your mask once you put it on unless you sanitize your hands first. Keep it in a plastic bag when you take it off. Wear a new mask daily. When you put it on, make sure it is fitted properly, with no gaps around the nose or chin. For even better protection, wear wrap around safety glasses in addition to a mask. Stay away from anyone not wearing a mask in public -6 feet is not enough – 20 feet is better. If you go to a restaurant or indoor office, stay closest to the air conditioning vents. Don’t eat a meal or work for long periods of time downwind from a group of people.

    Would you want your surgeon to wear a mask during your operation that he had hanging on his neck while he visited other patients?

  4. Posted July 30, 2020 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Sometimes I want to say to people like this, “How many of your own relatives have to die before you take this seriously?” I lost two relatives in April.
    I also heard today that Gohmert mused that it may be possible that he got infected as a result of wearing a mask.

  5. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    EOS wouldnt it have been nice if The Leader had bothered to educate us the way you do ? That of course would run counter to The Leaders reelection plans. Voter suppression is the key. Any thing to keep the people from voting. In my weekly discussion with my hoosier family I was told how Marion County (Indianapolis) has reduced the number of polling places from 240 down to 28. In addition being in line to vote at the time the polls close will just be too bad so sad for those who didn’t get a ballot.

  6. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    Aloha tonight begins Eid-al-Adha the holiest day in the Islamic world. Thought it would be good to acknowledge and wish my muslim sisters and brothers a happy and safe Eid-al-Adha.

  7. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    If I thought I was exposed to the virus, I would gargle with a viricidal mouthwash every hour or two. This might reduce the number of virus particles reaching the lungs, and might help reduce the severity of the disease. I would isolate my use of a toilet if possible. Make sure the seat was down before I flushed and taking extra care to wash my hands thoroughly. The fecal-oral route is a major source of spread.

    It is not a smart idea to follow the advice of any politician – neither Trump nor Pelosi. Take the initiative to find out for yourself how to protect you and your family. It won’t help as you are suffering to point out that you were following his or her advice. But there is no need to panic. If you are under 60, and don’t have any existing conditions that make you more susceptible, you have more than a 99% chance of surviving.

  8. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    Muslims have a heightened awareness of spiritual matters on holy days. I always pray that the Creator of the Universe reveals Himself through dreams or visions on these days. More Muslims have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior in the last 10 years than in the entire history of Islam. In these last days, people of all tribes and nations will come to know Jesus.

  9. John Brown
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    EOS makes accidentally profound statement that tribalism is what’s tearing down our country. Tribe identity is so strong in these traitors that they blindly accept total fealty to pootin from their chief. Our tribe is bigger, and not fucking delusional. Watch out if you insist on this path.

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    You are living in your illusions of the past. It has no bearing on reality. You say fealty to Putin even as charges are being drawn up on your pols for making that up 100%.

  11. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    How can you stand to be so crusty and stale?

  12. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    JB,

    Tribes and nations is the terminology used in the Bible. Identity politics is a function of the Democrats: black/white, rich/poor, heterosexual/homo, owners/workers, religious/atheist, etc. It is a strategy co-opted from the Marxists.

    In contrast, conservatism believes in the individual and the God given rights of each individual. Government is formed to protect the rights of the individual. The constitution limits the powers of government so that the individual maintains their freedom. Government do not grant rights to the individual and should not be able to abolish individual rights. You are free to pursue happiness in any manner you deem appropriate so long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others.

  13. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    Revelation 14:6

  14. Jean Henry
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    How will our Trump supporting commenters justify this?: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975

    Maybe the Book of Revelations will come in handy some more.

  15. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    EOS just doesn’t get it. The rapture already happened and he got left behind with us sinners. The good news is we’ve entered the age of Aquarius and peace and understanding will soon rule the world.

    I love mythology.

    The best voter suppression tactic of all, lets cancel the election. MAGA

  16. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    I get it.

    https://ifapray.org/blog/four-steps-of-a-coup-detat-will-america-learn-from-history/

  17. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Trumps most famous murder so far. Wonder how many others who went to The Leaders Tulsa virus party are in the hospital. Of course like a cancer it spreads.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/former-presidential-candidate-wsb-radio-host-herman-cain-dies-74/IEWHFSNJXNCBPJEHNZSZNHZGRI/%3foutputType=amp

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    You say “trumpvirus” as if you are personally threatened that he calls it the China virus. You align with CCP propaganda at every turn. It’s amazing to see. Do you subscribe to MIM Notes?

  19. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    EOS thanks for sharing. Like I mentioned I love mythology. So you are a follower of David Kabal. Did you join the intercessors in casting out demons snd witches?

    https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/dave-kubal-prays-against-the-witches-and-diabolical-power-operating-in-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-district/

  20. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Trump needs to reinstate the plans for a full Tepiblican National Convention in Jacksonville.

    Liberate Florida!!

    Right?

  21. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Over 200 deaths reported today in Florida. brings the roiling 7 day average up to 150 +. FF you do the math. At this rate Fla. will surpass Michigan per capita deaths on—-? It seems of critical importance to you so please share your results.

  22. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    I don’t follow any man. I am a follower of Jesus and Jesus cast out demons.

  23. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    I’m not a Christian, but I play one on the Internet.

  24. Jean Henry
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    And yet Trump is still President.

    Which means possibly millions will die needlessly, not just from COVID but from all his policies, especially regarding refugees.

    Fail, Jesus. And not your first.

  25. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Again, for the tenth time, for a more apples to apples comparison you have to account for raw size differences AND differences in age demographics which make Florida more vulnerable. It is my contention that Florida will out perform Michigan because they did a better job protecting the most at risk elderly. Their cases are turning flattening out obviously. More death to come for FL. You guys act like you are genius for understanding that there is a lag between cases and future deaths. No shit Sherlocks.

  26. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    FF,

    Does your model take into account that Florida has months more to prepare?

  27. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    I’m not acting like I’m a genius for anticipating the obvious. I’m acting like you’re idiots for failing to do so.

  28. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    So what is the date FF, you control the parameters you want to utilize. You have your a prioria results, so lets see you quantify your answer.
    No shit sherlock.

  29. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    When Florida has had months more to anticipate and prepare for what’s happening now, how is any comparison “apples to apples?”

    Florida is now #1 in daily death totals.
    It is #7 among states with most total deaths.
    It is #20 among states for deaths per capita.

  30. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    iRobert,

    Why do I promote Christian beliefs if I am not a follower of Jesus? And to continue to do so for over 10 years. I don’t understand your accusation, which you have repeated on numerous occasions. Is it because I don’t fit your definition of Christianity? And why would a Christian let Non-Christians determine their beliefs and actions?

    Neither you or Jean has a clue. But I’ll keep praying for you both.

  31. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Pretending to be a Christian on the Internet doesn’t qualify you as a Christian, EOS.

  32. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Just to help you out. Michigan is about 6.5% younger than Florida using median age. Of course our 1-2% infection rate of school age children versus Floridas 25-35 % infection rate in that age group is going to create additionally lag time between children spreading it and its ultimate spread into vulnerable populations. Not sure how you plan on modeling that.
    I use a simpler methodology, but fascist like precision in their death calculus.

  33. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    By the way, EOS, HW isn’t really a warlord either.

  34. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Why am I pretending? For what purpose?

  35. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Where are your calls for the liberation of Florida and Texas, guys?

  36. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    They don’t need to be liberated. They are free.

  37. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    For a person who finds the challenge of being a Christian in real life too daunting, pretending on the Internet seems to suit.

  38. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    What makes you think it is too daunting?

  39. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    That’s Ultimate Warlord to you, maynardite leper. With my euro-disco dj army and masses of supplicants laying the groundwork for my imminent domination there is little hope for the likes of you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si-h8Qyxb64

  40. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    People are being ticketed for not wearing masks. You call that free? Or are you just choosing to remain uninformed about the restrictions being imposed in Florida. I have observed that is your strategy…ignore things that don’t alight with your bullshit world view.

  41. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    EOS, it’s clearly a challenge for you to simply pretend to be a Christian on the Internet. Being one in real life is much more challenging.

  42. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    So HW thinks he’s really a warlord too, EOS.

  43. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    It’s not challenging at at all. It’s not about what I do, it’s about what Christ has done for me.

  44. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    The Internet is where people pretend to do and be the things they find too challenging in real life.

  45. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Exactly, EOS. You are not a follower of his teachings. You are saved. That’s that.

  46. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    You’re projecting. That’s not what I do.

  47. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    I am The Slayer of Unreason and have slaughtered many a foe. Who among you has not died the liar’s death a thousand times by my mere finger taps?

  48. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Because I am saved, I follow His teachings. You’ve got the order reversed.

  49. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Pretending on the Internet is sufficient from the point of view of a fraud. A follower of the teachings of Christ lives that belief. Jesus taught a lot more than just to accept him as savior.

  50. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    The Internet is a great place to pretend. Most people don’t see the clues, so they’ll treat the false claims a person makes about themself as though they may be true. In real life, most would see the fraud.

  51. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie:

    I have already admitted my estimates are very crude and up for debate. But if you think quickly glancing at median age differences is less crude than glancing at the differences in the sizes of most vulnerable populations then “god bless you”.

    I have seen the heat map which indicates younger Floridians are passing it on to older Floridians. That could be a problem for Florida. It is a valid thing to bring up. I do think that is an important thing to track. Lots of moving parts.

  52. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Why is it important to you to say I am a fraud? It’s obvious you can’t possibly determine that without knowing me in person.

  53. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    What numbers are best to use to differentiate Michigan and Florida in terms of vaulnerable populations? I’m not sure what would be the best way to account for that. What percentage of the population in each state is over 60?

    What accounting to you make for forewarning and preparation time, FF? Florida has months more forewarning than Michigan did.

  54. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    EOS: “Why is it important to you to say I am a fraud? It’s obvious you can’t possibly determine that without knowing me in person.”

    Not everyone is clueless.

  55. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    EOS: “Why is it important to you to say I am a fraud?”

    What makes you think it’s important to me? I’m just not going to pretend along with you. That’s all.

    EOS: “It’s obvious you can’t possibly determine that without knowing me in person.”

    That’s actually not true. Much can be deduced.

  56. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    So you think you know who I am? Did someone collect the bounty?

  57. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    iRobert:

    I have shown before that Florida was about 3 weeks behind MI in terms of cases, adjusted for pop, at some point. I think it was Late April (?). Do you see the problem with continuing to beat the drum that covid hit MI 2+ months earlier? Why? Because any success Florida may have had in successfully putting their numbers further behind MI is counted against them when assessed with your particular mindset—which fails to account for intelligent INTERVENTION. You know. Intervention. The very thing that Governor’s relative success/ failure ought to be judged upon.

    It gets complicated. I don’t have deep answers. I do know enough to think that the analysis you and Wobblie provide is silly. Sorry. You are normally pretty smart. I think you are reacting with your emotions because Covid hit you personally. It is understandable.

  58. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    I play the same game you do, EOS. There are many things I never mention, and would never answer questions regarding.

  59. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Whatever. I’m tired of this. I don’t care who you are, I just like discussing ideas without the personal attacks.

  60. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    FF: “I have shown before that Florida was about 3 weeks behind MI in terms of cases, adjusted for pop, at some point. I think it was Late April (?).”

    That is negated by the obvious seasonal, weather replayed, factors we’ve seen playing out. The entire southern half of the country is experiencing similar trends to what Florida is experiencing. There was a lag of a couple months between the surge in spread in the northern parts of the country and what we’re seeing now in the southern areas. This counters any suggestion that there was any equivalency between numbers in the north and numbers in the south.

    Potential spread was not anywhere near as severe in southern states as it was in northern areas, generally. This is clearly a result of seasonal weather and it’s impact on human behavior.

  61. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    FF: “It gets complicated. I don’t have deep answers. I do know enough to think that the analysis you and Wobblie provide is silly. Sorry.”

    I don’t offer much analysis. I usually just post numbers.

    FF: “You are normally pretty smart. I think you are reacting with your emotions because Covid hit you personally. It is understandable.”

    You’re right that I’m very angry about the incompetence and stupidity we’ve all been watching helplessly for many months, and I have lost a couple people personally. But the deaths of 150,000 strangers is enough to get me pretty mad too.

  62. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    EOS: “Whatever. I’m tired of this. I don’t care who you are, I just like discussing ideas without the personal attacks.”

    Maybe you should get serious about being a Christian and study the teachings and follow them. If you are going to just spout and name-drop here to make yourself feel like you’re a Christian, you deserve the personal attacks.

  63. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Aloha FF there is not a person who frequents this Site who would confuse me with the smart folks. But I know BS and that is all you drivel about. The math is easy at the macro level. 10000 cases a day equals 100 plus deaths a few weeks later. 80000 some confirmed cases in Michigan, they are up to like 500000 or so in Florida and growing by 10000 everyday. FF when do you project Florida gets it infection rate under some semblance of control?

  64. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    FF, I haven’t praised Whitmer greatly for her leadership, though I think she’s done a better than average job of trying to do what she perceived as best.

    I’ve agreed it was really stupid to put COVID-19 patients in convalescent homes where uninfected vulnerable populations are also living. I blame that on the unfounded confidence many on the left have in the health care system. I doubt there was any intentional recklessness.

    I do attack DeSantis for being a pompous, stupid, unprepared asshole. He’s proving me right every day.

  65. EOS
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    No one deserves personal attacks. However, that you and Jean try so hard to drive me away is confirmation that you think my ideas are persuasive.

  66. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    We can try to compare different states and how they handled the pandemic, but it’s a very sloppy business.

  67. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    EOS: “No one deserves personal attacks. However, that you and Jean try so hard to drive me away is confirmation that you think my ideas are persuasive.”

    I’m not trying to drive you away, EOS. The fact that you drive Jean crazy is enough in itself for me to want you to stick around.

  68. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Seasons seem to be a factor for sure. To what extent is it the all exhaling factor though? You seem to want to jump to conclusions. All of the most hard hit areas are Dem run. Why? Should I draw a conclusion? New York was losing 600+ a day! Florida was a tourist hub in the spring. We had one of 13 international airport hubs. Florida and MI are not big with public transport. FL has more black people. Sweden, Norway and Finland were using masks at similar rates. Lots of moving parts..

    The foundational assumption you seem to lean on is that given a bit more time a state can sidestep the virus. What if that is not true? We can count on both hands the number of countries which have relatively great numbers with this.

    Other people are not stupid just because you have strong opinions which you cling to: Remember the ventilators. Remember the ventilators. Remember the ventilators.

  69. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    “We can try to compare different states and how they handled the pandemic, but it’s a very sloppy business.“

    Read this after I wrote my last comment. I agree.

  70. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Are you saying MI and FL case levels are yielding a similar death rate? It is easy to test that theory. You should do it. God bless you.

    Consult Florida’s test positive case curve. They have turned the corner. It is flattening like it did in every other hard place. If it follows everybody else’s curve case rate will peak soon then case rate will drop on the other side of the slope soon.

  71. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    FF: “ All of the most hard hit areas are Dem run. Why?”

    Because all the large metropolitan areas in the north are in states governed by the Democrats.

    The large and densely populated urban areas in the north are always where viruses spread fastest and earliest.

  72. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    FF: “The foundational assumption you seem to lean on is that given a bit more time a state can sidestep the virus. What if that is not true? We can count on both hands the number of countries which have relatively great numbers with this.”

    Given a bit more time, a state can take steps to mitigate rapid and massive spread before it happens. There is no doubt it is slowed by early mitigation efforts. That’s evident in every place in the world where there was forewarning and mitigation action was taken before things got crazy.

  73. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Per capita deaths (per million population)

    Sweden: 568
    Norway: 47

    Norway instituted mitigation action early with some forewarning. Sweden took what mitigation action they could while keeping businesses open.

    Norway’s forewarning certainly helped them.

  74. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Miami Dade ICU at 146% capacity. They will be triaging many of the old and infirm to the mortuary to make room for the mew cases. With a little bit of planning maybe they would have set up emergency ICU units and called up Nat Guard units to get them setup, but hey we all thought that was an over reaction

    https://news.yahoo.com/miami-dade-ic-us-at-146-percent-capacity-with-coronavirus-patients-151222876.html

  75. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Forewarning is only as valuable as leadership makes it. Brazil’s leadership obviously did nothing with their considerable forewarning.

    The MSM tries to portray the US as being in the worst condition. But we are still in somewhat better shape than a number of European and South American countries.

    1,238 San Marino
    848 Belgium
    677 UK
    673 Andorra
    608 Spain
    581 Italy
    570 Peru
    568 Sweden
    490 Chile
    467 USA

    These are all per capita death (per million pop)

  76. Bob
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Howza bout that genius Herman Cain?

  77. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    FF,

    I’m not sure what the specific criticism is that you are making regarding ventilators. Was I suggesting anything more than we should quickly mobilize to manufacture as many as we could as fast as possible?

  78. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Bob,

    Was Herman Cain a COVID-19 hoaxer?

  79. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    iRobert
    Posted March 16, 2020 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    Here’s the moronic meme which is one of so many idiots are circulating on social media.

    “President Trump:
    COVID-19 Coronavirus
    U.S. Cases: 1,329
    U.S. Deaths: 38
    Panic level: Mass hysteria

    President Obama:
    H1N1 Virus
    U.S. Cases: 60.8 MILLION
    U.S. Deaths: 12,469
    Panic level: Totally chill

    Do you all see how the media can manipulate your life?”

    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 16, 2020 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    Why do you think that is moronic? Seems to be self-evident. Mass hysteria for Trump’s relatively benign disease and totally chill for Obama’s deadly one…

  80. Bob
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Cain was a proud anti-masker. Tweeted about it a number of times. Made jokes.

  81. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    I’m attributing that Quote to another Hyborian Warlord.

  82. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Here’s the moronic meme with the updated numbers.

    President Trump:
    COVID-19 Coronavirus
    U.S. Cases: 4,604,738
    U.S. Deaths: 154,591
    Panic level: Mass hysteria

    President Obama:
    H1N1 Virus
    U.S. Cases: 60.8 MILLION
    U.S. Deaths: 12,469
    Panic level: Totally chill

    Note for all the stupid people:
    The numbers for COVID-19 are incomplete. These are the totals for FOUR MONTHS of what will be a two year run or more.

  83. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Bob,

    I didn’t know that. I see now he attended Trump’s Tulsa rally. I guess that’s what Wobblie was referring to earlier. I’m glad Cain didn’t bow down to the hoax.

    Live free AND die!

  84. Wobblie
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    I understand the preoccupation with the body count, but many survivors seem to have permanent disabilities AND we still do not know if you are cured, or if the virus hides. They are finding the virus in stools months after “recovery”. We still do not know if exposure gives you any protection from reinfection. Good article on what we do know.

    https://www.ucsf.edu/magazine/covid-body

  85. Bob
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    The assumption is that Cain caught it at the OKC rally as he got sick 14 days later. I guess it’s hard to say for sure. My sympathies are with innocent people he probably infected.

  86. Anonymous
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    President Bush

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/george-bush-eulogy-transcript-at-john-lewis-funeral-july-30

  87. Anonymous
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    President Clinton

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/bill-clinton-eulogy-transcript-at-john-lewis-funeral-july-30

  88. Anonymous
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    President Obama

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/barack-obama-eulogy-transcript-at-john-lewis-funeral-july-30

  89. Anonymous
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    President Trump

  90. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 2:43 pm | Permalink
    iRobert
    Posted March 16, 2020 at 4:22 am | Permalink
    Here’s the moronic meme which is one of so many idiots are circulating on social media.
    “President Trump:
    COVID-19 Coronavirus
    U.S. Cases: 1,329
    U.S. Deaths: 38
    Panic level: Mass hysteria
    President Obama:
    H1N1 Virus
    U.S. Cases: 60.8 MILLION
    U.S. Deaths: 12,469
    Panic level: Totally chill
    Do you all see how the media can manipulate your life?”
    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 16, 2020 at 7:09 am | Permalink
    Why do you think that is moronic? Seems to be self-evident. Mass hysteria for Trump’s relatively benign disease and totally chill for Obama’s deadly one…

    Yeah, it was mass hysteria as soon as possible for this hoaxy epidemic even when it was first “breaking out”. That’s right. You don’t seem to think things through very well, iDerp.

  91. Bob
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Trump is reportedly giving up on Michigan, Hyborian Twatlord. Cutting his ad buys. You’re gonna have to masturbate to something else I’m afraid.

  92. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Which Hyborian Warlord made that last comment?

    How many do we have commenting here?

    The one that called the virus a “relatively benign disease” is a complete dumbass, obviously.

  93. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Do you have doppelgänger problems again, HW?

  94. Bob
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    I did it.

  95. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Barely anyone who gets it dies so it seems you are the fucking moron. Trying your best to degrade someone who has wasted you over and over online? What a bitch-ass way to live.

  96. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Bob is thinking about me playing with my dong again and he’s not afraid to talk about it.

  97. Posted July 30, 2020 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

  98. Bob
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 16, 2020 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    Why do you think that is moronic? Seems to be self-evident. Mass hysteria for Trump’s relatively benign disease and totally chill for Obama’s deadly one…

  99. iRobert
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    HW: “Bob is thinking about me playing with my dong again and he’s not afraid to talk about it.”

    WTF?

  100. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Right?

  101. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    “bullet”

  102. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Derp

  103. Bob
    Posted July 30, 2020 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Someone is posting under my name. I love that you think you’ve ever bested me at anything. You. Are. My. Bitch. Warlord. Don’t make me bust rhymes on you again.

  104. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    How could you make me your bitch when you made yourself my bitch already? All I had to do was call your bluff and you turned into a quivering pussy. You are too old to be a threat to just about anyone and I doubt you ever were. Weeeak old alcoholic pussy who lives in a fantasy world where he is bad enough to manhandle someone.

    You have said extremely offensive things about my loved ones and me. I think there should be a law that you are obligated to fight the person you are talking about if they wish. Since that isn’t happening you can hide behind the law and not get your ass beat and keep up your little pussy attack campaign. You need to be realistic though and don’t do anything that would get you fucked up like attack me like you said you would.

  105. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 5:24 am | Permalink

    HW: “Yeah, it was mass hysteria as soon as possible for this hoaxy epidemic even when it was first “breaking out”. That’s right. You don’t seem to think things through very well, iDerp.”

    The reason there was “mass hysteria” was because it was clear this virus was going to kill far more than H1N1 did. That was apparent from the beginning. The highly contagious nature the virus showed right away, coupled with the unusually high infection fatality rate, caused alarm in anyone who understood te obvious implications. But we had an idiot oresident and his slow followers calling it a hoax.

    That is why the meme was moronic. Now even you should be able to see that.

  106. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    What’s clear is your claimed numbers are garbage. That’s funny you have to post in my name to try to mitigate your verbal ass-beating.

  107. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    It’s absolute garbage. Positive test + death = died of covid? Why does it only seem to kill people who are probably going to die anyway? Herman Cain for example has battled cancer for years.

  108. Anonymous
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    I think there are at least four warlords, maybe more. Which one would fight which one?

  109. Wobblie
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Aloha new research demonstrates just how little we know about the trumpvirus, first we learn that children under 10 can spread the virus a symptomatic just as effectively as an adult. 2nd we learn we dont know shit about its effects on pregnant woman. Once again the US. Health care system demonstrates just how bad it is.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/agonizing-lag-in-coronavirus-research-puts-pregnant-women-and-babies-at-risk?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0P-hyhHka-4vapmQ52DYmW6_Tzr9eCjzbiv7oyjWFqiqaxsYa6KGgyhzg

    almost forgot MAGA

  110. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Huh!

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200717005397/en/CDC-Coronavirus-Test-Kits-Generate-30-False

    July 17, 2020 11:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time
    MILFORD, Conn.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–The current CDC nucleic acid test kits for SARS-CoV-2 generate 30% false-positive and 20% false-negative results in the best state public health laboratory, Dr. Sin Hang Lee reported in a peer-reviewed article published in the International Journal of Geriatrics and Rehabilitation, an online journal based in Japan (http://www.int-soc-clin-geriat.com/info/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Dr.-Lees-paper-on-testing-for-SARS-CoV-2.pdf), on July 17, 2020.

  111. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Huh!

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200717005397/en/CDC-Coronavirus-Test-Kits-Generate-30-False

    July 17, 2020 11:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time
    MILFORD, Conn.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–The current CDC nucleic acid test kits for SARS-CoV-2 generate 30% false-positive and 20% false-negative results in the best state public health laboratory, Dr. Sin Hang Lee reported in a peer-reviewed article published in the International Journal of Geriatrics and Rehabilitation, an online journal based in Japan (http://www . int-soc-clin-geriat.com/info/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Dr.-Lees-paper-on-testing-for-SARS-CoV-2.pdf), on July 17, 2020.

  112. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    Huh!

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200717005397/en/CDC-Coronavirus-Test-Kits-Generate-30-False

    July 17, 2020 11:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time
    MILFORD, Conn.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–The current CDC nucleic acid test kits for SARS-CoV-2 generate 30% false-positive and 20% false-negative results in the best state public health laboratory, Dr. Sin Hang Lee reported in a peer-reviewed article published in the International Journal of Geriatrics and Rehabilitation, an online journal based in Japan, on July 17, 2020.

  113. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    Latest Q lays it all out re: covid.

    Jul 31 2020 00:03:40 (EST) NEW
    [infiltration]
    Only those who could[can] be controlled [via blackmail or like-beliefs] were installed in critical leadership positions across all political and non-political Control and Command Positions [CCP].
    CCP [necessary] to ensure protective blanket [insurance].
    Traitors everywhere.
    [D] leadership in joint ops w/ China [CCP] in effort to regain power?
    It was never about the virus.
    Sequence of events.
    Flynn 1st strike designed to 1. cripple 2. prevent exposure of illegal acts [Hussein WH CoC] through NAT SEC [intel] discovery 3. Install ‘controlled’ replacement [rogue1_McMaster].
    McMaster removal of ‘loyalist’ intel community_NAT SEC
    Install ‘controlled’ [rogue2_Coats_DNI] prevent DECLAS [House-Senate blockade].
    Pre_Install [rogue3-6] > referral(s) to POTUS re: McMaster_Coats_Wray_Bolton_+++
    Install ‘controlled’ [rogue7_Bolton]
    Bolton removal of ‘loyalists’ intel community_NAT SEC
    Intel community [NAT SEC_WH] essential to control [infiltration] to prevent DECLAS_public exposure of true events [illegal surv [R] candidates 1&2, House members 1-x , Senate members 1-x , Journalists 1-x , Amb 1-x] + CLAS 1-99 events.
    Mueller installed [Comey termination_loss of power][POTUS inside of a box][prevent counter-attack].
    Impeachment installed [Mueller termination _loss of power][POTUS inside of box][prevent counter-attack].
    C19 insurance plan _above fail
    C19 installed [Impeachment termination _loss of power][POTUS inside of box][prevent counter-attack].
    C19 _stage 1: Inform POTUS [intel + CDC + WHO + S_advisor(s)] _nothing to fear _do not close travel _do nothing [the political ‘set up’]
    C19 _stage 2: Inform POTUS of Dooms Day ‘inaccurate’ scenarios [models] predicting death count 1mm+ [the political ‘force’] _lock down [wipe economic and unemployment gains]
    C19 _stage 3: Activate ‘controlled’ [D] GOVS to ‘spike’ death count + project statewide fear by presenting ‘alarming’ on-ground conditions [hospital [care-supplies] projections].
    C19 _stage 4: Push testing, testing, testing to spike ‘infected’ rate incline due to daily testing inc [the political ‘set up’] _controlled MSDNC failure to report death count [rates] proportional to ‘infected’ rate _deliberate miscounting of infected numbers [%] _change non_positive to positive _label death of non_C19 as C19 _etc.
    C19 _stage 5: Eliminate / censor any opposing views [anti-narrative]
    [Ready when needed] Activate 4-year BLM narrative 4x power [use as division + [2020] C19 infect rates to justify close-limit until Nov 3].
    C19 calculated [D] political gain:
    1. Eliminate record economic gains
    2. Eliminate record unemployment gains
    3. Shelter Biden from public appearances _limit public exposure of mental condition
    4. Shelter Biden from Ukraine exposure _narrative change _media focus C19
    5. Shelter Biden from P_debates [requested demands due to C19]
    6. Delay [D] convention _strategic take-over of nominee post conf
    7. Eliminate_delay POTUS rallies _term energy
    8. Eliminate ability for people to gather _ divide
    9. Eliminate ability to find peace – strength in time of need [strict Church closures]
    10. Promote mail-in-voting as only ‘safe’ method _bypass NSA election security [installed midterms +1].
    11. Push state-bailout stimulus [CA][NY] + wish list items
    12. Increase national debt [place China into controlling debt position _regain leverage]
    13. Test conditional limits of public acceptance [obey]
    14. Test conditional limits of public non_acceptance
    15. Test conditional limits of State authority [Gov-mayor]
    16. Test conditional limits of Media [social] censorship
    Who benefits the most?
    [D]?
    China [CCP]?
    Russia is the enemy.
    China is our friend.
    [MSDNC [social media] programming]
    All assets deployed.
    Everything seen yesterday, today, and tomorrow = calculated political moves/events designed and launched by [D] party in coordination with other domestic and foreign entities in an attempt to regain power over you.
    Prevent accountability.
    SHADOW PRESIDENCY [HUSSEIN]
    SHADOW GOVERNMENT
    INFORMATION WARFARE
    INSURGENCY
    Your voice and your vote matters.
    Patriots stand united.
    Welcome to the Revolution.
    Q

  114. iRobert
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    That’s ridiculous, HW…if that is in fact the real you. If not, it’s funny.

  115. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    You say things like that as if they have substance.

  116. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    50% false results on that latest CDC test tends to back up what Q says. This is just another Get Trump farce you bought with all your money.

  117. iRobert
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    Q just posted a cumulative list of a bunch of their bullshit claims. That’s all that is.

  118. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    You better hope.

  119. iRobert
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    How many of the inaccurate tests Dr. Lee is referencing have been used so far? I see no mention of that detail from you, not surprisingly.

  120. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    You mean the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel? I think about a shit ton.

  121. iRobert
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    HW: “You better hope.”

    Why would I need to hope? It doesn’t negatively impact me one way or the other.

  122. iRobert
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    These tests that Dr. Lee showed to be so immaculate…how many of them have been used to arrive at the numbers the public is getting?

  123. iRobert
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    “inaccurate,” not “immaculate”

  124. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    You are talking a lot of shit so I would think you wouldn’t want to be wrong about everything. That would make you everything you said about me and millions of others.

  125. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    It’s the PCR test, dick. God damn it, shut the fuck up. You sound so dumb.

  126. iRobert
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    So, dick, how many of the tests given have been the type of test Dr. Lee found to be inaccurate?

  127. iRobert
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Being called dumb by a guy who is suckered by the Q manipulation psych-op is pretty funny.

    Has Q mentioned those tens of thousands of seals indictments lately?

  128. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    I gave you my answer about how many tests. You fuckin’ look up the number if you want.

    You are so dumb. Trying to get in as much ridicule as you can before the hammer drops? Durham is coming with indictments and we found out the other day a fellow named Bash has been given the task of investigating unmasking. That could be many many many charges right there. There were hundreds of unmaskings of the Trump team and they were all based on a bogus dossier. Not illegal?

  129. Posted July 31, 2020 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Here are the updates 7-Day moving averages of daily US deaths.

    July
    4th: 523
    5th: 520
    6th: 522
    7th: 562
    8th: 593
    9th: 633
    10th: 667
    11th: 724
    12th: 751
    13th: 764
    14th: 757
    15th: 772
    16th: 774
    17th: 789
    18th: 800
    19th: 804
    20th: 814
    21st: 847
    22nd: 862
    23rd: 908
    24th: 935
    25th: 950
    26th: 957
    27th: 964
    28th: 985
    29th: 1,019
    30th: 1,058

    See the upward trend yet?

    You can see this data here:
    http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

  130. Posted July 31, 2020 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    No hammer is dripping, sucker.

  131. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing
    “Currently, we aim to include only these PCR tests in our testing dataset.”

    So pretty much all of them. Have you not read anything about PCR? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

  132. Posted July 31, 2020 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    You were claiming that tens of thousands of sealed indictments were going to be unsealed. I assume you got that bullshit from Q. It hasn’t happened. So now you just avoid addressing the glaring example of you being full of shit, as well as your source is on that.

    You keep calling names, but won’t acknowledge the facts of your bullshit claims from the past. That’s moronic.

  133. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Can’t even talk shit right…dripping…

  134. Posted July 31, 2020 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    No hammer is dropping, dumbfuck.

    You’ve been making these claims for years. No hammer has dropped. You’ve been suckered all this time, and are too dumb and arrogant to admit it.

  135. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    If something hasn’t happened is it reliable to assume based on that that it won’t happen? Durham’s got indictments. Presumably Bash does too. Do you understand that or do you think it is bullshit?

  136. Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    We’re almost a month into the upward trend in US COVID-19 deaths. Do you see the trend yet? Or would you like to continue to vaguely suggest there is something fake about it?

  137. Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    I don’t doubt the Administration is going to do everything they can to pursue the individuals who were involved in pushing the collusion story. That night send a few people to prison, but likely will amount to very little in the scheme of things.

    It’s a distraction designed to manipulate dipshit Internet trolls. They don’t really care about it otherwise. The people who were hung-ho in pushing the notion that there was collusion, failed. They’re insignificant mostly because they were unsuccessful.

  138. Wobblie
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Aloha iRobert, were you able to get through all the gibberish? I got as far as the 5 stage covid conspiracy. The death cult lives in an alternative reality. The Leader knows this and pulls these deluded folks along. It is the fascist mind set. Once youve conditioned yourself to blindly follow some one (in EOS’s case its a mythological godhead, in HW’s its a mythological conspiracy finder, and in FF it is the mythology of objectivity) or idea blindly you are setup to engage in great moral evil. All I can say is I’m glad I’m a dolt and all that Q stuff goes right through, kinda like a high fiber diet.

  139. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    How does a little bitch-ass shit-talker who uses demeaning language every single day towards people such as myself cry about being “called names”? Fuck you.

    Obamagate goes to the top…obviously.

  140. Anonymous
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Conspiracy theories are essentially irrefutable: logical contradictions, evidence showing the opposite, even the complete absence of proof have no bearing on the conspiratorial explanation because they can always be accounted for in terms of the conspiracy. The lack of proof about a plot, or any positive proof against its existence, is turned around and taken as evidence of the craftiness of the secret cabal behind the conspiracy. It is seen as confirmation of the conspirators’ ability to conceal their machinations.

    https://theconversation.com/how-to-spot-a-conspiracy-theory-when-you-see-one-133574

  141. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    “vaguely suggest”

    Pretty heavy-duty study I put up in black and white showing the tests are fucked. Don’t know what you are on.

  142. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    If something is labeled a conspiracy theory then that makes it one. Conspiracy theories are not reality therefore applying the label actually gives you control of reality; neat.

  143. Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    HW: “How does a little bitch-ass shit-talker who uses demeaning language every single day towards people such as myself cry about being “called names”? Fuck you.”

    I’m not crying about being called names. It’s what I expect from a personality like yours.

    I just don’t want you to cry about it when I make fun of how fucking stupid you prove yourself to be over and over. You’re a sucker and I’ll keep pointing it out.

  144. Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    The fact that you perceive Trump as anything but what he obviously is, tells anyone all they need to know about you. There is hardly a more transparent ploy than Trump. Believing he is even of average intelligence or emotional maturity is ridiculously laughable.

  145. Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    You vaguely suggest there is something fake about the death numbers.

    You’re too dumb to know how many of the exact tests Dr. Lee was talking about were actually used in the determination of the death numbers. To a moron like you, that detail isn’t obviously critical.

  146. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    What do you mean by “actually know”? Actually know the exact number? It’s the PCR test commonly used to diagnose covid. It’s ubiquitous. You tend to spazz out on some weird shit when you get rattled.

  147. Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    HW: “You tend to spazz out on some weird shit when you get rattled.”

    I’m not rattled. You’re imagining that.

    The details I focus upon are te details which you miss. Those are the details which are key, and why you can go on believing unfounded notions.

    It’s very likely that the particular type of test Dr.Lee studied, is not the most used type of test.

    That isn’t to say all the tests are likely somewhat inaccurate. I doubt most are anywhere near as off as the tests Dr. Lee examined.

  148. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    It breaks you ability to reason. Same as that tortured and pointless argument you had about the definition and significance of a “death rate”. Only a moron would use the cv-19 mortality rate as defined by science you say. Now you are making another pointless argument. I think it’s moronic to not be familiar with the primary mode of cv-19 diagnosis but to be spewing garbage about people who have done at least some degree of due diligence. Like Jean and others here you seem to have a shoot first ask questions later approach and all it does it get you in trouble.

  149. Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    How Accurate Is Coronavirus Testing? It Depends On The Test You Take

    https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/07/30/shira-doron-covid-19-testing-types-accuracy

    (From WBUR)

    This article, for example, points out that there are three types of tests which were being used in Massachusetts.

    So my question to you was; How many of the particular sort of test Dr. Lee studied were used in determining public death totals?

  150. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    breaks your ability

  151. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Why don’t you look and see what the link you just put up says? To me “most” means over 50%. I’m sure it’s much more than that:

    “In Massachusetts, PCR tests are most often used. The state Department of Public Health lists all positive antigen tests as “probable” until the positive result is confirmed with a PCR test.”

  152. Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    When you are shown to be full of shit on any particular detail, you dismiss the issue and move on to some other bullshit.

    The tests are obviously not terribly accurate. The case totals are obviously somewhat inaccurate for that reason and for many other reasons.

    But just because one study of some particular tests showed results which suggested pretty dramatic inaccuracy, doesn’t mean there is a massive hoax being perpetrated.

    The 155,000 deaths in the US is very real. Your desire to flee from that reality is tiresome.

  153. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    So what is your obnoxious, stalling, incoherent point? Obviously it’s a BIG chunk of data; most if not virtually all of it.

  154. Wobblie
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    All pcr test give a percentage of false positives. That is fine because you do confirmation test when you test positive. For most rational people it is better to be safe rather than sorry. It is having false negative test that mean your systems, protocols etc make the test useless.

    The testing cluster fuck in the US is a direct result of 1) our for profit health care system 2)lack of leadership that put testing and tracing as the first priority back in January.

  155. Wobblie
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    That failed to put testing and tracking as priority one

  156. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    I don’t dispute people die. We know for a fact people die from other illnesses but because they have a positive result it is labeled a “covid death”. That is documented. Couple that with as fucked of a test as the research shows it is and it all falls apart.

  157. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    “When you are shown to be full of shit on any particular detail, you dismiss the issue and move on to some other bullshit.”

    You think you can just claim that and it makes it real? What is your rationale? Full of shit about what? If I easily destroy what you “show” then I guess it’s not doing what it’s supposed to.

  158. Anonymous
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    HW you are referencing a press release from a company that Dr. Lee has economic interests in promoting stating that their test is better than the CDC test. It has already been acknowledged by many sources, including the CDC, that the initial test kits from the CDC were flawed. Furthermore, the CDC test kits that were reissued are one of the last kits that labs that have access to multiple different testing kits choose to use because they are relatively inefficient by design because they have to be operable for state public health departments with limited investment in specialized higher volume testing resources. We have five to six different COVID-19 nucleic acid amplification testing pathways in our system alone, with the CDC issued kit being the one of last resort. A smaller hospital a rural area would have none of these, and would be sending their testing to either a commercial lab, which would not be using this test, or to their state health department which only has this test in house, unless they too send it out to a commercial lab through a contracting agreement.

  159. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    If the tests are flawed then don’t treat the results as correct. Furthermore acknowledge the data compilation methodology includes all deaths of individuals with a positive result whether covid is the actual cause or not, inflating the number by design.

  160. Anonymous
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 7:20 am | Permalink
    It’s absolute garbage. Positive test + death = died of covid? Why does it only seem to kill people who are probably going to die anyway? Herman Cain for example has battled cancer for years.

    We are all going to die anyway. By your criteria nobody has died of anything, except that they died of living.

  161. Dirtgrain
    Posted July 31, 2020 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    It’s like those people who don’t wear seatbelts because they think getting thrown from a car might save them.

  162. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Neither of those comments answer the question. Do you think you can drown out reality with nonsense? Why is everyone who dies from covid at risk of imminent death from something else? Old age, cancer, pneumonia, etc.

  163. Posted August 1, 2020 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    HW: “Why is everyone who dies from covid at risk of imminent death from something else?”

    False statement.

    However this virus, like all of them, kills far more people who are in a weakened condition. This shouldn’t require a explaining to an adult.

  164. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    It’s true enough. I’m afraid you are the child. It’s official policy to count all covid-positive deaths as covid whether that is the cause or not.

    Putting that fact together with children not dying or even showing symptoms for the most part starts to make a picture. The picture is still incomplete but it is starting to look like a bunch of bullshit. There aren’t enough children who die of all causes to inflate the number so they claim the disease miraculously spares children. It’s a kindly, sympathetic disease that takes only those who are already about to go.

  165. Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    These deaths are occurring globally. Your suggestion that there is a global conspiracy to overstate the deaths is absurd. You are absurd.

  166. Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    The friend of mine who died from COVID-19 was 49. She was not at all in bad health. There are countless examples of this. You are so desperate to come up with some alternative reality to the one we’re actually living in, where your mentally and emotionally stunted hero has failed utterly, is a waste of time to anybody who bothers with you.

  167. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Yes the idea of global conspiracies is absolutely ridiculous. Only a nincompoop would allow such thoughts into their head! There. That’s that.

  168. Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Even EOS knows better. That’s saying a lot.

  169. Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    You must have spent most of your life living under a rock. The sort of conspiracy you are suggesting is an impossibility. The logistics are an impossibility. It is absurd that any adult would not understand this.

  170. Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    The virus is genuinely spreading at 2 to 3 times the rate most colds do. The virus is genuinely killing 0.5% to 3% of the people it infects, depending on many other factors. Obviously vulnerable populations are most likely to be symptomatic and die, as is the case with every killer virus. Nothing about this is all that difficult to grasp. You have a problem.

  171. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    If you have puppets in every single country that go along with international bullshit I can’t see how it could be properly judged to be impossible. You are way overextended on this anti-conspiracy theory limb you are on.

  172. Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Its very likely that most individuals who die within a few weeks of contracting COVID-19, untimely die from pneumonia or organ failure. You do understand that don’t you?

  173. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Do most of them have a problem before covid or not?

  174. Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    You know I’m not a conspiracy denier. I know massive conspiracies exist. The evidence is apparent.

    COVID-19 death reporting is sloppy and incomplete, but there is very little manipulation of the data. There are some possible exceptions with China and some other countries which engage in suppression of information. China’s numbers are almost certainly much higher. The Chinese government lies about nearly everything.

    But there is no conspiracy evident or necessary regarding COVID-19 in the west and most of the world. It is genuinely killing a considerable number of people everywhere. Nothing has to be faked.

  175. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    No Substance iRobert.

  176. Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    People with weak immune systems are very vulnerable, obviously. When this virus spreads through their bodies, it does all sorts of damage and enables any other heath issues to worsen dramatically.

    By the reasoning you are using, AIDS never killed anyone, because the cause of death is ultimately always something other than AIDS itself. AIDS simply destroys a person’s immune system and turns it against itself, opening up the stricken to death by any and all other ailments.

  177. Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    What about all this is so difficult for you to grasp?

    Like I said, even the likes of EOS gets it.

  178. Posted August 1, 2020 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Maybe your fellow Trumpanzee EOS can take the time to get through to you. Then again, maybe he knows better than to waste his time trying.

  179. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    This one is different though. It can’t kill the young at all really. Why is that? Other infectious diseases do.

  180. Posted August 1, 2020 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    It does kill a few young people. The worst cases among the young, though only rarely taking their lives, does appear to do some long-term damage.

    It’s my understanding that the flu rarely kills young people either, but is a contributing factor in the deaths of many senior citizens.

  181. wobblie
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    iRobert, simple minds need simple explanations. A world wide conspiracy is much easier to understand than the science needed to understand the complexities of this virus. I hope you have checked out the weekly webinar that the UCSF has been posting. I provided the link in a couple of postings, You can find them on youtube a couple hours after they have ended. Real scientist sharing information with each other on the complexity of this virus.
    Asymptomatic transmission by children into their households will be the primary rout of infections as we force children into schools. Saw where Greenfield IN, had an outbreak in its middle school on the very first day students returned to in person schooling last Thursday. Given that these are Trump loving hoosier, I expect an uncontrolled outbreak throughout the county now, with a consequent increase in deaths.

  182. EOS
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Our governor vetoed the bill to keep COVID patients out of nursing homes unless the home was dedicated to only COVID patients. The legislature passed it and she vetoed it. It’s not a conspiracy theory – she is deliberately endangering their lives. Why?

    Well, most people live for only a year or two once they are put in a nursing home. If she can get COVID into the homes, then every subsequent death is attributed to COVID, whether or not they died from other causes. She is doubling the number of deaths attributed to COVID in our state. Her actions cause some to die prematurely – what does she care? Deliberately jacking up the numbers and the state gets money from the Federal government for each death.

    She has to go. I signed a petition today to remove her power to arbitrarily issue decrees without allowing any input from others. There’s another petition to impeach her, but we’ll probably get to vote her out of office before either the petitions get through the courts.

  183. Wobblie
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Anything to distract from the catastrophe Trump has created. “Staggering level of depravity”.

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/31/demands-kushner-resign-over-staggering-level-depravity-put-politics-public-health?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3W3AYe4IqFFmD5LQ7oKldeR9OoSKWRcZV1aUTdhwJKad8V43tZMaJBXFo

  184. EOS
    Posted August 1, 2020 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Did you even read the link you posted? “…While the veracity of such claims cannot be verified…”

    Once again an accusation for which there is no evidence. Of course, the accusation will be repeated in a number of slanted media outlets, maybe even get a congressional hearing, the outrage will be histrionic, and in the end the story will die because it’s total bullshit. How many times will you play this reel over and over with the hopes someone might believe it. You’ve cried wolf too many times.

    Now, sit back and watch the indictments for actual crimes. August will be a scorcher.

  185. Posted August 1, 2020 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    EOS,

    What percentage of Michigan COVID-19 deaths are occurring in long-term care facilities? Is it around 33%?

    What then should we make of this?…

    For Many States and Countries, Long Term Care Facilities Are Where Most COVID-19 Deaths Occur

    http://www.bumc.bu.edu/busm/2020/06/05/for-many-states-and-countries-long-term-care-facilities-are-where-most-covid-19-deaths-occur/

  186. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    Does Michigan report the number of nursing home deaths? Your link says it doesn’t. How many are actual and how many are probable? Why isn’t this data being released? The Washtenaw County Health Department told me that they were collecting the numbers but not reporting them. But they did tell me that nursing homes and group homes are the vast majority of COVID deaths in the county.

    I have no doubt that COVID kills nor do I doubt that the Dems are exaggerating the threat to keep us isolated and fearful until after the election. Over a year ago, there were reports in the news that Trump would not leave office and that he would put us under martial law. It does seem coincidental that the virus, absentee voting for everyone, and violent demonstrations all seem to be leading to martial law and a fraudulent election result.

    Maybe it’s Obama who hasn’t left office. Biden might pick Michelle as his running mate. Barack has been orchestrating the shadow government for the past 3 years and would be back in office via his wife once Biden admits to his dementia.

    Mass indictments of Obama’s administration may occur but MSM will claim its political and not criminal.

    Regardless of outcome, 50% of the population will not accept the election results. The Federal Reserve will allow the dollar to plummet. There will be civil unrest and widespread unemployment and homelessness. China might decide it is a good time to knock out our power grid. There could be mass starvation. And those who remain will be subject to a authoritarian government, because Progressives have had their plans at the ready for years, and won’t waste this crisis. However, they won’t be able to fight off the numbers of Chinese who would overflow the fledgling government and subject us all to their brutality.

    Well this could happen but it may not. We could open our eyes to the forces trying to divide us. We could recognize the humanity of everybody and reject identity groups. We could refuse to play along with the cancel culture and instead develop a society that promotes the success of every individual. We could once again tolerate differences of opinion and maintain civil discourse. We could reject politicians who lie repeatedly and instead elect honest citizens who work for the betterment of everyone for a period of time and then return to their communities and allow other good-hearted persons to take their place.

    If we want to maintain our freedoms and a limited ethical government, it has to change, and it needs to start with us. We don’t have much time left to turn the course of history to avoid destruction.

  187. Wobblie
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    EOS some times I think you might have some compassion and then I see you just another lying sack of shit. One google search entry michigan nursing home covid deaths
    first sight

    https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98163_98173-526911–,00.html

    The answer to your question is 2001 residents of nursing facilities have died through July 30.

  188. Wobblie
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    58 yrumpvirus deaths at Washtenaw county nursing facilities through July 30. Total trumpvirus deaths in Washtenaw County 122. EOS please explain your math. Mine tells me how that constitutes “vast majority” of deaths in the county.
    I challenge you or your buddies to find the statistics for Florida or Texas. The best I can do are two week old news articles Which maintained that half of the deaths in Florida were at nursing facilities. MAGA lies are the beat lies.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article244352327.html

  189. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Do you read your links before you post? Your link reports incomplete reporting and partial counts. And how many dead in group homes? When you resort to name calling you detract from discourse.

  190. Wobblie
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    When I go to DeSantis web site where nirsing home numbers are allegedly maintained

    http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/action/report_archive/ltcf_death/ltcf_deaths_latest.pdf

  191. EOS
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    What’s up with the link to Florida numbers?

  192. Wobblie
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Group homes ? Group homes are not nursing facilities are they. You are dishonest. People who lie and disemble the truth- and do it purposefully deserve no respect or consideration. Go back to your bunker.

    I have the honesty to admit when I am wrong or stupid. You are a true believer willing to inflict any evil to satisfy your personal believes.

  193. Posted August 2, 2020 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    You’re Obama conspiracy theories are insane, EOS. You really have lost your mind.

    If anyone here has ever taken you seriously, they should read you post above. That should put that to test.

    To get back to reality, Michigan is reporting all the deaths. One minute you’re suggesting Michigan is over-reporting numbers, and the next minute you’re suggesting they are underreporting deaths.

    The 33% if deaths being from long-term care facilities appears to be a pretty accurate number. It is also accurate to say other states have a considerably higher percentage of long-term care facility deaths. That detail destroys your insane conspiracy theory regarding Michigan deliberately killing seniors. You are a paranoid lunatic. That’s the most logical conclusion from all this. Get a grip on yourself.

  194. Lynne
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    It really is very scary to me that so many people in our country are bat-shit crazy.

  195. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 2, 2020 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    NYT says more than 40% of deaths are nursing home residents or workers. In 20 states at least half of deaths are such people. It’s the Nursing Home Virus.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html

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