Donald Trump, claiming to have “total authority,” says the American economy will reopen when he decides

Today was fucked up. I found out that a friend of mine, a nurse in Detroit, died from COVID-19. We hadn’t seen each other in quite a long time, but I thought about her often. About a week ago, I found myself logging into Facebook, just to see if she was OK. Knowing that she was a nurse in Detroit, I was concerned. I found a photo of her in protective gear, accompanied by a few lines about her coworkers, and how impressed she was by them. And now she’s gone. I suspect, once I have time to process what’s happened, I’ll say more here. Right now, though, I’m just overwhelmingly sad and angry. I’m angry that this driven, talented, selfless woman, who had dedicated her life to helping others, is now dead. And I’m mad at myself for not being a better friend, and not fighting harder against the forces in our society that brought us to this point. Because, as we’ve discussed here on many occasions, none of this had to happen.

I’m not sure how the passing of my friend is going to influence my work, but I can tell you that it certainly influenced my perspective on the news this evening. As I was sitting here, reading about conservatives and their plans to descend upon the capitol in Lansing this Wednesday in order to protest Governor Whitmer’s recent public health directives, I didn’t have a lot of sympathy for the position of those coming out to demand that, in spite of all the scientific evidence to the contrary, we reopen society, and let the chips fall where they may. I can certainly see why those behind the protest, like DeVos-funded Michigan Freedom Fund, are taking the position that they are. I can see why they’d issue statements calling the Governor’s attempts to enforce social distancing, “erratic, unilateral orders that threaten Michiganders’ economic existence.” They’re successful business owners. And they’re losing money. But when they call for the reopening of the economy, they do so knowing that they’ll be relatively insulated. They can afford to stay home with their families. They aren’t working customer service jobs. They aren’t working in health care. When the economy reopens, the life-expectancy of their loved ones isn’t going to drop. And I’m ready to channel all of the anger I’m feeling into one hell of a fight, if anyone tries to open things back up before we have “widespread, easily available and prompt testing” in place. That, by they way, is a quote from Joe Biden, who released his Plan to Reopen America today. [His plan is heavy on diagnostic and serology tests, as it should be.]

The problem, of course, is bigger than just Michigan. Donald Trump, clearly fearful that he’ll lose in November if the economy isn’t showing signs of recovery by then, has started to push the idea of reopening the economy hard. First, as you may recall, he was talking about reopening things by Easter. Now, the target is apparently May 1. And he’s assembled the group that he says will make the final decision. Here they are. [He also wants to get the NFL going again, but we’ll have to save that discussion for another time.]

That’s right. Not a single public health professional. Not even a doctor. Just his most trusted family members and loyal sycophants. These are the people who, according to Donald Trump, will be making the decision as to when it’s safe for us to return to business-as-usual. [Just imagine Obama launching a “death panel” like this one, consisting of people like Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett, and either Sasha or Malia.]

But we know that this group won’t actually be making a decision. Their job is strictly to rubber stamp whatever it is that Donald Trump decides to do. And he told us last week that he won’t be relying on scientific evidence to make that decision. As he told members of the press, all the metrics he’ll need to make the decision as to when it’s safe to reopen society are in his head.

Thankfully, a lot of our governors aren’t seeing this as process they want to follow. They know the president doesn’t have the power to supersede their stay-home orders, and, from what it would seem, they have no intention of putting their citizens in danger in order to appease the administration. Here, for instance, is Governor Phil Murphy of my old home state of New Jersey, standing up and saying that his state will will make the decision, when the time comes, with its regional neighbors.

And Gavin Newsom is saying essentially the same thing in California, declaring, “The West Coast is guided by science. We issued stay at home orders early to keep the public healthy. We’ll open our economies with that same guiding principle.” [For what it’s worth — and I would have thought this would be evident — it’s a fool’s errand to try to bring back the economy without first getting a handle on COVID-19. Before we have confidence in our path forward, there’s no amount of stimulus that will return things to the way they were.]

And these governors are 100% correct when they say it’s their decision. Lest anyone be confused, the President, to quote Republican Representative Justin Amash, “has no authority to ‘close down’ or ‘open up the states.” Amash went on to say that the president should, “Put down the authoritarianism and read the Constitution.”

Donald Trump, not exactly a constitutional scholar, had a different perspective on this issue this afternoon, when he addressed the press at the White House. When asked if the states could remained closed even after he gave the word to reopen, he said, “They can’t do anything without the approval of the president of the United States.” He went on to say, “When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total.” This, of course, is completely, 100% wrong. And Donald Trump, as you might imagine, didn’t much appreciate being told this. Here he is as the White House today, quarreling with reporters on his interpretation of presidential authority.

One last thing… I’m old enough to remember when the Republican Party used to think that “states rights” were good, and “death panels,” like the one shown above, were bad.

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106 Comments

  1. Posted April 13, 2020 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    From Trump’s Twitter feed.

  2. iRobert
    Posted April 13, 2020 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    That’ll be a neat trick. I wonder how he imagines he’d be able to do it.

  3. Anonymous
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    Please don’t pick brown. Please don’t pick brown. I’m more of a winter color palette. I have a lot of blue shirts for work. Can somebody call into Fox and Friends to promote blue?

  4. iRobert
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 6:27 am | Permalink

    So, a guy who couldn’t figure out the federal government’s role in coordinating distribution of medical equipment, now thinks he’s going to be able to force states to do what he says. What a moron.

  5. John Brown
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    “I have absolute authority” + “I take no responsibility” = String him up!

    This presidency is criminal and needs to end with a public execution.

  6. iRobert
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    I think there might be laws against executing mentally retarded people.

    JB, how do you like the label, Mango Mussolini?

  7. Demetrius
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    It makes sense that governors in Northeast and Pacific-coast states are banding together to coordinate and implement plans to wind down the restrictions and determine if/when it may be possible to re-start parts of the economy.

    Our Great Lakes/Midwest governors should do the same – since it is becoming increasingly clear that if we want thoughtful, rational approaches, they’re going to have to come from folks at the local/regional level.

    In past national crises (the Great Depression, World War II), the Federal government was rightfully seen as a powerful ally, and the only entity that had the power and resources necessary to marshal an effective national response – but those days are over – we’re now on our own.

    At this point, every second spent thinking about, reacting to what’s going on each day in the Washington D.C. circus is just wasted time and effort.

    We need to focus on what we can do here, and now, to make things better for our families,neighborhoods, and communities.

  8. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    Aloha, the states are on there own. Trump and the Republicans play hardball, while Pelosie and Schumer continue to play whiffle ball.

    https://www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2020/04/11/coronavirus-economy-stimulus-democrats-leverage-trump-176783?fbclid=IwAR1Itq6JtpgBN5HUhshSuMgUKTun1Gkk_kK4dzzrUtVD_vySBdg3otyBuGQ

  9. Jean Henry
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    I have never been much of a states’ rights person having been focused on issues of social justice an fair treatment, but Trump has made clear the need for a dynamic balance of powers. Of course if we didn’t privilege state’s rights we also wouldn’t have a bunch of states with giant gaps in Medicare coverage and those same states choosing to re-open to early or never really close putting us all at risk for going through this again this Summer and Fall.

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    “Donald Trump, claiming to have “total authority,” says the American economy will reopen when he decides”

    Barky’s writing pattern sucks. It’s like he has a bag of commas he flings at the screen. So repetitive too. “Bugs Bunny, believing he is a beloved classic cartoon character, calls Scooby Doo “second rate animation”.

  11. Demetrius
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    No question. Having a smart, coordinated, national strategy would be ideal – but that ain’t gonna happen.

    All one has to do is look at the seven people representing the so-called “Council to Re-Open America” (in the photo above) to know that these people aren’t your friends. And they sure as hell aren’t looking out for YOUR best interests. Washington D.C. is not the solution …

    Having said that … one of the things I’ve been thinking about lately is how much this crisis – as awful and scary as it is – may also be an opportunity to take a pause, and perhaps think differently about what kind of economy and society we’d actually LIKE to have.

    So much of the discussion (and actions taken) so far has been about how quickly we can get back to “normal,” i.e. the way things were before this crisis. But was what we had before actually so great? Is returning full-bore to an economy that features obscene income inequality, personal insecurity, social dislocation, often punishing working conditions – and which, at its heart, depends on unsustainable “growth” and endless environmental destruction – really what we all desire?

    Or, is this once-in-a-lifetime “pause” an opportunity to consider whether there may be other, better, ways to structure our economy, and society?

  12. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Did the Treasury take control of the Federal Reserve? Bloomberg article said so. “Meet your new Fed Chairman: Donald Trump. How come there are trillions falling from the sky all of a sudden? Don’t forget to give 100% of your evil white supremacist stim away to the less fortunate.

  13. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FHrSoxPtY

  14. Posted April 14, 2020 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    I am very sorry about your friend, Mark. Somehow knowing someone who has died just makes it all so very real. I have lost a friend to this too and it is fucking heartbreaking. He was so active in his community and really did a lot of good that it feels especially tragic.

  15. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Demetrius I like how you think. Did you spend time at Democratic Underground in the past?
    I for one am enjoying the slower velocity of life. Trying to find silver lining.

  16. iRobert
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    The air is cleaner than it’s been in well over a century, Wobblie. I’m enjoying that.

  17. iRobert
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Trump is now trying to divert blame to the WHO. He’s cut US funding to the organization now.

  18. Anonymous
    Posted April 14, 2020 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Demetrius, I agree with what you’re saying here:

    “Having said that … one of the things I’ve been thinking about lately is how much this crisis – as awful and scary as it is – may also be an opportunity to take a pause, and perhaps think differently about what kind of economy and society we’d actually LIKE to have.
    So much of the discussion (and actions taken) so far has been about how quickly we can get back to “normal,” i.e. the way things were before this crisis. But was what we had before actually so great? Is returning full-bore to an economy that features obscene income inequality, personal insecurity, social dislocation, often punishing working conditions – and which, at its heart, depends on unsustainable “growth” and endless environmental destruction – really what we all desire?
    Or, is this once-in-a-lifetime “pause” an opportunity to consider whether there may be other, better, ways to structure our economy, and society?”

  19. Jean Henry
    Posted April 15, 2020 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Have no fear the WWE is back in business.
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/apr/14/wwe-raw-florida-tv-shows-ron-desantis-wrestling-coronavirus

  20. Jean Henry
    Posted April 15, 2020 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Demetrius– In line with what you are saying–

    “From one citizen to another, I beg of you: take a deep breath, ignore the deafening noise, and think deeply about what you want to put back into your life. This is our chance to define a new version of normal, a rare and truly sacred (yes, sacred) opportunity to get rid of the bullshit and to only bring back what works for us, what makes our lives richer, what makes our kids happier, what makes us truly proud. We get to Marie Kondo the shit out of it all. We care deeply about one another. That is clear. That can be seen in every supportive Facebook post, in every meal dropped off for a neighbor, in every Zoom birthday party. We are a good people. And as a good people, we want to define — on our own terms — what this country looks like in five, ten, fifty years. This is our chance to do that, the biggest one we have ever gotten. And the best one we’ll ever get. ”

    https://forge.medium.com/prepare-for-the-ultimate-gaslighting-6a8ce3f0a0e0

  21. iRobert
    Posted April 17, 2020 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    So, apparently, someone explained to the imbecile-in-chief that he can’t order anyone to do anything. This idiot couldn’t organize a bake sale.

    Right about now, a real leader would have mobilized the top levels of the business community in an all out effort to produce and distribute all the equipment needed to minimize this viruses devastation.

  22. iRobert
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    It was funny watching Trump trying to get disease control scientists to say the virus might not return in autumn. Yesterday’s briefing was a shit show.

    Today, Trump said the total deaths may max out at 50,000. It will hit that number this weekend. It’s astonishing how dumb this freak is

  23. iRobert
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Where’s HW? Did his head finally explode?

  24. Posted April 23, 2020 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    I heard that Trump was talking about drinking bleach today. Please tell me that’s not true.

  25. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    I get tired of taking apart everything you anti-Trump zealots say sooo easily. It’s so predictable. If Maynard says it it’s bullshit 100% of the time. I think it’s tremendously damaging to your cause so it’s a net positive and I don’t have to do anything.

  26. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Case in point. Yeah, Trumps sez drink da bleach and you won’t get the covid everybody!

  27. Nobody
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Holy Fuck. I have been avoiding posting due to limited time lately, but Holy FUCK. He suggested injecting disinfectant at minute mark 26:55 ( the two disinfectants mentioned by Bill Bryant prior were isopropyl and bleach ) into our bodies! HOLY FUCK!

    I have not seen this level of jackassery since my pollack grandfather’s pollack “doctor’ Kapitoche was “prescribing” he drink bleach for fucking ailments he did not have.

    This is the fucking president fo the United States suggesting injecting isopropyl alcohol and bleach into our bodies! WHAT THE FUCK!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLW_NKYUXEs

    There is no fucking spinning this. No fucking way.

  28. Jean Henry
    Posted April 23, 2020 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    https://hillreporter.com/trump-seems-to-think-injection-of-disinfectant-might-help-against-coronavirus-dont-do-this-65420

  29. iRobert
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 4:13 am | Permalink

    You don’t have to be anti-Trump to appreciate the fun that was had at the briefing Wednesday when the President was trying to get scientist to join him in suggesting the virus may disappear before autumn. That was good television. I hope Trump got his highest ratings in that one.

  30. Jean Henry
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    I think that presser may have been the dumbest he’s ever sounded. Tough call though.

    FF and HW think he’s done kind of genius and then want us to take them seriously.

    Haven’t heard anything about the FISA investigations lately.

    When is the big reveal, HW?
    When’s it all going to come down?
    Does Q think this virus is a hoax or a plant?

  31. Jean Henry
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    Oops! Not looking good for political conspiracists. Looks like, upon deeper review by IG Horowitz, most FISA applications are fucked up. No evidence that the Page application issued were unique. It’s a systemic failure not a political coup attempt.

    What do you have to say about the late March findings, FF?
    You guys didn’t mention them.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/inspector-generals-disturbing-fisa-memo

  32. Jean Henry
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Damn.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/news/ig-horowitz-found-apparent-errors-or-inadequately-supported-facts-in-every-single-fbi-fisa-application-he-reviewed/amp/

  33. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    I don’t know about FF but I laugh every day about the dumb shit going on here as real life unfolds just as I said. I’d say it’s you who needs to start talking about that, Jean. You have attempted to gaslight me about this matter quite a lot.

  34. Sad
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    HW do you have any Tide pods you could spare?

  35. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    “Quick, he’s making sense! Say something dumb!”

  36. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Yes. I laugh at how they follow the media stories daily. We already knew “systemic failure” narrative was coming months ago—Comey announced it to Chris Wallace, while he squinted his eyes and tried to look earnest.

    I have not actually take at look at it yet but finding widespread corruption should not be considered a victory. Generally speaking, people who want to perpetrate their corrupt acts find channels that are corrupted.

  37. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Trump said some weird things to follow up the FEMA rep. iRobert is right. I chuckled when Trump was talking about cleaning out the inside of bodies while giving a wiping motion with an imaginary rag. But the FEMA rep was saying some very hopeful things. Is he a scientist? He was saying sun and alcohol destroy the virus fast. A lot faster than I ever imagined.

    It seemed to me that Trump was confusing “treatment” and “prevention”. I don’t know though. I am dumb about this stuff.

    Support your president! He is doing a good job.

  38. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    He is referring to experimental therapies and trolling hard by saying it in a way that makes TDS heads explode. Trump told America to shoot up bleach!!! AAAAHHHH!!!!!!

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Whitmer is yielding to the racist gridlock protestors! She said: “We need to be nimble”.

    I think you guys need to stop her. You guys need to protest the enactment of this racist agenda. Her sign language interpreter just gave 3 “ok signs” in a row. You are all Triple Nazi collaborators if you do not March on Lansing Now! People sitting at home is how Hitler rose to power. Go!

  40. Jean Henry
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1253474772702429189?s=21

  41. Jean Henry
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    So what HW is saying is that Trump is so smart he just pretends to be stupid to upset his opponents by spouting made up treatments (not ‘experimental’ if no one is conducting experiments re them) in the middle of a pandemic.

    Yeah he’s a fucking genius.

    Even by your best measure, he’s pathologically corrupt and amoral. No wonder you like him.

  42. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    It’s not stupid if there is something to it. To get you riled up and then make YOU wear the egg on your face is quite a sport and the President is the top player. I think he likes it better than golf. He does it every day.

  43. Posted April 24, 2020 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Jean, I don’t think anyone here takes either HW or FF seriously. They are clearly ok with corruption. They are ok with the way the President bullies people too and even emulate this style. It is hard to accept but the USA has a lot of mean and ugly people for whom Trump’s bullying is seen as a plus and not a minus! HW and FF are great examples of that! Can you imagine their reaction though if we had a woman of color as a president who treated white men the way Trump treats anyone who isn’t a white man? Hahaha. I just have this image of a video leaking where a black female presidential candidate talks about how she likes to grab men’s dicks because if you are powerful they cant’ stop you! LOL. After the way FF reacted when I told a joke about going to Trump rallies with COVID-19, I suspect that the exact same behavior he tolerates in Trump would not fly! Jokes told by women = bad Worse “jokes” told by Trump = A-OK! I would go so far as to say that both HW and FF enjoy Trump’s cruelty to others so much that they routinely overlook his flaws.

  44. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    You are the bully. You have attacked me incessantly from the beginning when my approach was pacifistic. Too bad it doesn’t do anything to me in reality.

  45. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    “I would go so far as to say that both HW and FF enjoy Trump’s cruelty to others so much that they routinely overlook his flaws.”

    This is dumb on multiple levels. For one it tends to imply that cruelty is not a flaw.

  46. Sad
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Whitmer rocks! ❤️

    Get your face mask HW.

  47. Posted April 24, 2020 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Do you consider Trump’s cruelty towards others to be a flaw, HW? You don’t seem to.

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Rocking so hard there

  49. Posted April 24, 2020 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Whitmer is doing a great job!

    I have some really nice masks that a laid-off employee of one of my company’s customers made me. I am ready for my return to Michigan. I am so grateful to have Whitmer in charge. She is doing a good job, unlike our President who frankly is not doing a good job at all. Luckily he hasn’t fired all of the people who are handling things well on the federal level although he does seem to be trying.

  50. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    You say that as if it is a fact. You’ll never get anywhere with this thinking stuff if you refuse to understand the difference between opinion and fact. You are entirely beholden to how you see it. To me that is the seed of bigotry; the intolerance of exogenous reality tunnels if you will.

  51. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    The extent of the cruelty is relative to the status of what he is responding to. It is the same as here. You guys think I am being cruel when I am mocking (sometimes mirroring exactly) what the Lynne’s of the world say—first.

  52. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Lynne hearts theories.

  53. Sad
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Mom

    She did it first!

    Waaaaa……

  54. Posted April 24, 2020 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    HW, who is expressing an opinion as if it were a fact? I don’t see anyone doing that.

    FF, yeah. That is a very common attitude among abusers. They blame their victims for making them do it. I am not at all surprised to see you doing the same. You are a bully but not an especially imaginative one.

  55. Bob
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    HW been smoking too much Lysol

  56. Jean Henry
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Subtle and nimble: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/lysol-manufacturer-warns-against-internal-use-after-trump-comments-n1191586

    I mean I guess this could be part of the corporate/deep state campaign to make Donald Trump look like a fucking moron.
    Sure.

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Lynne: “Trump’s cruelty towards others”

    Baby shit

  58. Posted April 24, 2020 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    HW, I am so sorry that I gave you credit for being smart enough to know that a word like ‘cruelty’ is always subjective and thus the statement could not be a fact at all. If you don’t think the president’s actions are cruel though, I am confused as you seem to find similar actions cruel when they come from someone else. I acknowledge that we may have different standards about what constitutes cruelty.

  59. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Princess Cassandra thinks when others identify her abusive behavior it is a form of abuse? Princess Cassandra thinks she is victimized when her abusive behavior is mocked by others?

    (I don’t feel victimized by Cassandra at all but I am sure The Truth feels pain every time Cassandra opens her mouth.)

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    But you state it as a given i.e. a fact. What “similar actions” (to what?) do you think I seem to find cruel and by who?

  61. Sad
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Waaaaaa…..

    Waaaaaa….

    Waaaaa….

    Take the weekend off

    Do something pleasant with yourself

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    You are the baby. You haven’t even figured out how to make an effective argument.

    This covid shit isn’t going to take Trump out now or at any time. Sorry, I know it would be a lot better for you if millions of Americans died and the economy was completely destroyed and meany-head was TAKEN OUT!

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Oops. Promising experimental treatment for coronavirus using (“injecting”) UV light inside the lungs.

    https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b

    I have spelled out the pattern for you even in this thread. Now is another confirmation. He’s not going to just blurt out some shit that is actually crazy. He knows it sounds crazy to YOU so you will trip out and then look like a jerk.

  64. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Healight video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQaRLkViXNA

  65. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Damn it feel good to be a gangsta.

  66. Sad
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    HW OG

  67. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 24, 2020 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    What up doe

  68. iRobert
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 5:24 am | Permalink

    Trump’s advisors are now trying hard to talk him out of attending and speaking at the pandemic briefings. I wish them luck in talking a egomaniacal, mentally retarded guy into giving up his daily circus.

    I personally am enjoying the entertainment provided by the President, and I think everyone should be reminded on a daily basis what they have in the Oval Office. Fire all dissenters! Fire all never-Trumpers!

  69. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    Aloha, It sounds like this UV technology is used in conjunction with ventilators.
    Wouldnt it be nice if we had enough testing that you did not need to wait till your going on a ventilator to know you have the virus.

    I wonder how they are going to clean your blood with this device. Reading today about the uncontainable blood clotting causing the rapid increase in undiagnosed strokes.

  70. Jean Henry
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    IRobert— it’s an election season. You know as well as a anyone that’s Trump is not going to step back from the daily update spotlight.

    Like Trump, his followers are deranged and have no capacity to criticize him. They just know they love the attention. This is the kind of stuff that gets people elected.

  71. Jean Henry
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    HW– In fact, Trump did blurt out “some shit that was crazy.” He does so daily. And now he’s saying he was being sarcastic, which is simply an impossible thing to read from his delivery. Setting aside that a President using sarcasm in a public health crisis is grossly irresponsible. His base takes him seriously.

    None of this matters because apparently you think its great to have a ‘gangsta’ president.

    Everyone knows what happened to stupid gangsters.

  72. Jean Henry
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/24/politics/fact-check-trump-disinfectant-sarcastic/index.html

  73. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Look at your insubstantial complaints compared to what I dig up. You can hold on as long as you want but the time will come when you can no longer do it.

  74. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Look how wrong you are and how unable admit it.

    “So what HW is saying is that Trump is so smart he just pretends to be stupid to upset his opponents by spouting made up treatments (not ‘experimental’ if no one is conducting experiments re them) in the middle of a pandemic.”

  75. Jean Henry
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Hey look! They found the source if Trump’s genius disinfectant idea:
    “Grenon styles himself as “archbishop” of Genesis II – a Florida-based outfit that claims to be a church but which in fact is the largest producer and distributor of chlorine dioxide bleach as a “miracle cure” in the US. He brands the chemical as MMS, “miracle mineral solution”, and claims fraudulently that it can cure 99% of all illnesses including cancer, malaria, HIV/Aids as well as autism.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    I spelled it out for you 100% but you still charge ahead with your misinformed viewpoint. Listen to what he said. We know light and heat kills it so can we do something like that inside the body to clean it. The message is light is the best disinfectant, which has a certain resonance in another sense as well.

  77. bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Aloha, Here is an example of how American Exceptionalist propaganda has set us up for failure—-Because. After all America knows best

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/01/27/the-countries-best-and-worst-prepared-for-an-epidemic-infographic/#7b29692a5799/2020/01/27/the-countries-best-and-worst-prepared-for-an-epidemic-infographic/#7b29692a5799

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    So if your parents get covid or pneumonia and need the new intra-trachial UV-A LED light technology to save them don’t let them get it. Tell them it’s insane DJT nonsense. Only ventilators allowed. If you do let them get it without a fight you must capitulate here first or you are a fraud.

  79. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    None of you use it unless you admit you have spewed the most misinformed propaganda. He was talking about light and heat disinfecting the virus outside the body so can we do something like that inside? He’s so good at trolling you can’t even hear what he actually said. It’s basic psychology. Most people when they hear ‘disinfectant’ will think of lysol or some shit so he throws that term in and speaks vaguely enough to let them run with it. So just like I said it’s you with egg on your face.

    Wrapped with a fuckin’ bow! My present to you.

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    ‘Inject’ was the other trigger word. Most people think hypodermic needle. It’s quite obviously a masterful manipulation of TDS sufferers. The proof is the Aytu Healight which injects UV-A light into the lungs, announced in the 4-20-20 press release.

  81. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    I think HW is making a good point. If you go back and listen to what Trump said he was probably talking about a potential UV light treatment.

    But keep laughing it up, guys.

  82. Jean Henry
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Ff— and the disinfectant comments?
    And if so why did he say he was being sarcastic?

    Do you see the degree of your own Trump derangement syndrome? The one that refuses to criticize him?

    When has that kind of kid glove treatment ever served a leader?

    What kind of personality demands total fealty against all evidence?

    Every day you undermine your own credibility with your Trump defenses.

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Wouldn’t it be funny if it turned out that Trump is actually smart and you guys constantly thinking he dumb is just an expression of your own classism.

    He speaks very roughly. He sounds like someone who is not college educated. I am even willing to entertain the idea that he has a learning disability that might make it difficult for him to do well in college…He is not stupid though… He is actually very intelligent.

    Support your president!

  84. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Jean,

    I don’t know. I wish I had time to go back and look at itZ. It is not my job to disentangle every idiotic take you and Inspector ColoMbeau read about on the internet. It is amazing you guys even show your faces on the internet. Wrong for 3 years.

  85. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    “…and the disinfectant comments?”

    Read my posts. Or just watch the “tape”. He was talking about light and heat, light and heat; how they kill the virus outside the body. You hear disinfectant and you think bleach. Are light and heat (what he was talking about in the same breath) not a disinfectant then? Face reality, Jean. You’ve been trolled hardcore by the master troll. Millions have. It’s amazing to watch. You know how much popcorn I’ve been popping up over here?

  86. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Jean,

    Read what HW wrote. Re-watch what Trump said. I actually was laughing at Trump for a minute. Part of the reason it was funny is because I am admittedly highly ignorant about this health stuff.

  87. Posted April 25, 2020 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    OH please. The mental gymnastics you guys engage in to justify Trump’s shittiest behavior is pretty amazing. It would indeed be pretty funny if it turned out that Trump is smart and is fooling us with some kind of dumb act but in my mind, that would make him an even worse human being than he currently appears to be. It would make him even more of a fraud than he already is. The guy is a bully straight up and very irresponsible. If he was talking about some science, he should say that rather than suggesting that ingesting disinfectant would help.

  88. Jean Henry
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    “The fact that there are warnings like ‘do not drink’ on bottles of Bleach makes me realize that Donald Trump can be president.”
    —your hero Ricky Gervais, 2016

    Ps I saw the presser and have seen/heard that clip about 20x since. Like most Americans. We come to different conclusions.

    Mine is that Donald Trump is a reckless, delusional, idiot and the people who support him are doubly so.

    Yours is that ‘reason’ tells you Trump can do no wrong and doesn’t lie but only ‘exaggerates.’ (We should all use nuance in interpreting his exaggerations.) But everyone who criticizes him, even when it’s the whole fucking world, is just being played by the media.

    Congratulations on your independence of thought, FF.

  89. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    You came to the wrong conclusion…again. How do you get around it? The Aytu Healight was announced on the 20th and that fits what he said exactly. It’s an advanced application of what has been known for a long time: UV light kills viruses. It’s you who has to do the gymnastics.

  90. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Did he say “ingest disinfectant”? I really don’t know. Too busy to find out. I am willing to follow the facts.

    I will say though—I am becoming increasingly fond of the theory that it is 1) bias against people with learning and disabilities added to 2) bias against speech patterns found amongst the non-college-educated- working class —which is the primary reason the Princess Cassandra’s of the world feel confident thinking Trump is dumb.

    Meet you all the way
    Cassandra
    Meet you all the way
    Cassandra

  91. Posted April 25, 2020 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    FF, do you think that Donald Trump is part of the non-college educated working class?

  92. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Cassandra,

    Prove to me that you know how to read and I will teach you how to use Wikipedia—so you can answer your own dumb questions.

  93. Sad
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    The only dumb question is one that isn’t asked.

  94. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 25, 2020 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    My bad, Sad. I think the President of the United States is a dishwasher at McDonald’s by trade, speaks like a cultured graduate of U Penn, although he never graduAted from college. This might sound like a dumb question but I will ask it anyway: Am I wrong?

    I think Sad is starting to catch on to the fact that his buddy is extremely full of shit and maybe not that great of a person. Not willing to admit it yet but I think Sad knows.

  95. Jean Henry
    Posted April 26, 2020 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    FF– Your writing sounds more and more like how Trump talks. This must be a symptom of Trump derangement syndrome.

  96. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 26, 2020 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    I have been trying to be more concise after all of the complaints. I will worry about the form of my writing and you should worry about the content of yours.

  97. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 26, 2020 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Concisely*

  98. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 26, 2020 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    write more concisely*

  99. Jean Henry
    Posted April 26, 2020 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    First pass was grammatically correct, FF.

    It turns out when you are more concise in your writing, you sound just like Trump.

    That’s telling.

    All that obfuscation can’t cover up the inherently flawed thinking.

  100. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 26, 2020 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    You are Fake News

  101. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 26, 2020 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Well read woman. Parents met at Harvard. Fake news though.

  102. Jean Henry
    Posted April 26, 2020 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    How can a human being be fake news?
    And, even more so, how can a human being be reasonable or true?

  103. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 26, 2020 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Somehow Jean finds a way to be fake news. Sad!

  104. Sad
    Posted April 26, 2020 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Did you need me for something?

    Or just name dropping?

  105. Posted April 26, 2020 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    JH, such is the power of women. Your opinion = news.

  106. Posted August 8, 2020 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    More than 100,000 small businesses have closed since March.

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