Is Donald Trump really demanding to be praised before sending Michigan COVID-19 aid? It sure looks that way.

I like our “woman governor” here in Michigan. I think that, given the hand she’s been dealt, she’s been doing a good job for the citizens of the state. I do wonder, however, how much better things might be for us right now if she’d spent a little more of her time over the course of this crisis stroking Donald Trump’s fragile ego, instead of focusing on frivolous things like the health and wellbeing of her constituents. As Trump said yesterday, he encouraged Vice President Mike Pence, the head of the White House coronavirus task force, not to engage with Governor Whitmer, who he referred to as “the woman in Michigan,” as she didn’t appropriately praise his effective and masterful leadership over the course of the pandemic. “If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call,” Donald Trump told reporters. Here, for the unbelieving, is the video.

According to Whitmer, this outrageous behavior on the part of the President is having a very real impact on our ability as a state to respond to the exponentially growing needs of those suffering from COVID-19. Following is an excerpt from news radio WJR.

…”What I’ve gotten back is that vendors with whom we’ve procured contracts — They’re being told not to send stuff to Michigan,” Whitmer said live on air. “It’s really concerning, I reached out to the White House last night and asked for a phone call with the president, ironically at the time this stuff was going on.”

The other stuff was Trump speaking with Sean Hannity on FOX News about Whitmer, a Democrat who has said very pointed things about the federal government’s lack of coordinated response to the coronavirus crisis. Trump said of Whitmer, “She is a new governor, and it’s not been pleasant… “We’ve had a big problem with the young — a woman governor. You know who I’m talking about — from Michigan. We don’t like to see the complaints.”

Michigan’s request for disaster assistance has not yet been approved by the White House, and Trump told Hannity he’s still weighing it.

“She doesn’t get it done, and we send her a lot. Now, she wants a declaration of emergency, and, you know, we’ll have to make a decision on that. But Michigan is a very important state. I love the people of Michigan”…

“I’ve been uniquely singled out,” Whitmer went on to say. “I don’t go into personal attacks, I don’t have time for that, I don’t have energy for that, frankly. All of our focus has to be on COVID-19.”

She, of course, is right. No one, during a time of unimaginable crisis like this, should be forced to publicly lavish praise upon an elected official. It’s not surprising that this is happening, though. As you may recall, this was predicted. Stanford Law Professor Pamela Karlan warned us during Trump’s impeachment trial that, if we didn’t remove him from office for attempting to coerce the Ukrainian government into opening a bogus investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, we could well see something like this happen. Remember how she said that an emboldened Donald Trump might attempt to use a domestic disaster to elicit statements of support from our governors? Well, here we are.

As for why Donald Trump has it in for Whitmer, I suspect it’s largely due to the fact that, last weekend, she said on national television that “lives will be lost because we weren’t prepared.” She was merely speaking the truth. We were unprepared for this. And people are dying. But Donald Trump clearly took it as a personal attack. Whitmer, for what it’s worth, was respectful in her comments at the time. She even said that she’d be grateful if he helped us acquire the ventilators we so desperately needed. Whitmer said, “I feel like we are making some progress, but if the federal government is able to procure some ventilators, and ship them to Michigan, we will be incredibly grateful.” But, of course, those ventilators from the federal stockpile never came. And, according to Whitmer, as you just read above, private companies have been instructed not to ship ventilators to Michigan. [If it turns out that the Trump administration did indeed intercede to stop shipments to Michigan, one hopes that it comes up in his criminal trial after the all of this is over.]

But, yeah, Whitmer wasn’t happy with the federal government, and she said so. That, by the way, is her job. She’s supposed to advocate for us, and that means calling out the federal government when they refuse to offer any significant help in the face of a pandemic… It’s kind of what we pay taxes for.

And this is federal problem. I know I’ve said it before, but Whitmer, and her fellow governors, were not privy to the the classified intelligence briefings that Donald Trump was receiving on the coronavirus outbreak back in January and February. They didn’t know the extent to which our medical infrastructure would be effected. They weren’t the ones receiving tactical advice concerning the necessity to stockpile things like medical masks and ventilators. They just knew, from our President, that everything was “very much under control.” [That, by they way, is an exact a quote from Donald Trump. On February 24, he said, “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”]

Donald Trump may not like to hear it, but it’s true — had he acted quickly when he first got word in January, we would not be in the fix we’re now in, where we’re talking about the possibility that doctors in Michigan might have to deny care to the elderly because of we don’t have enough ventilators to go around. With two months lead time, Michigan hospitals could have met this massive public health crisis properly outfitted, but Donald Trump chose to downplay the severity of coronavirus for months, instead of treating it like the legitimate public health crisis that it is. And now our hospitals in Michigan are trying to do the best they can with the 1,000 ventilators they have.

So, how does Donald Trump respond to this massive failure on the part of his administration? He looks for scapegoats, and apparently he’s decided to attack everyone from the Obama administration, which left office over three years ago, to the entire country of China, while also talking glowingly of his own accomplishments. And the governors of America figure prominently is this ‘it’s everyone’s fault but mine‘ narrative. When they offer statements of fact, saying, for instance, that they’re not receiving federal assistance, they’re met with comments like those above, and quotes like this one from Trump — “(They) shouldn’t be blaming the Federal Government for their own shortcomings.”

Here’s another example of Trump coming after Whitmer yesterday.

So, yeah, Trump is taking the opportunity during this crisis, with 112,468 Americans now infected, and 1,895 already dead, to shit on the Governor of Michigan, and blame us for not being better prepared, in spite of the fact that we’d received no warnings from the federal government to do so. One just hopes the people of Michigan keep this in mind come November, when it comes time to vote for the next president of the United States. As former Obama staffer Ben Rhodes just said on Twitter, “It will be GREAT when Michigan ends the Trump presidency.” We put him in the White House, and it’s on us to take him back out.

One last thing. Maybe Whitmer played this right after all. She’s reporting this morning that we just today received our first “112,800 N95 masks… from the strategic national stockpile.” And Donald Trump just approved our disaster declaration. Maybe more people should try standing up to our trifling, orange despot.

update: The Biden campaign just released an absolutely devastating ad about Donald Trump’s reluctance to work with states that don’t “treat (him) well.”

update: When asked about Trump’s comments, Dr. Fauci assures the American people that the “people who need things will get what they need” regardless of the President’s rhetoric.

update: Whitmer on Meet the Press Sunday morning, demonstrating leadership, and reiterating that now isn’t the time for us to be fighting one another.

update: Rudy Giuliani spells it out on Fox. “When you play with your boss, sometimes it’s better when you don’t win the golf game,” he says. “He’s the boss, he’s got all the resources.”

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66 Comments

  1. Posted March 28, 2020 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Rudy is getting in on the Whitmer-hating action.

  2. Kaivan Shroff by proxy
    Posted March 28, 2020 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Trump will give Michigan the life-saving ventilators they need if @GovWhitmer promises to announce an investigation into Hunter Biden.

    https://twitter.com/KaivanShroff/status/1243903420081340417?s=20

  3. Posted March 28, 2020 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

  4. Anonymous
    Posted March 28, 2020 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    It’s amazing how big of of a fucking dick Donald Trump is. It’s truly staggering.

  5. J.R.
    Posted March 28, 2020 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad she didn’t back down to that misogynistic pos. To your point though, I really hope his supporters see it for what it is & this bites him in the ass like he so richly deserves.

  6. Posted March 28, 2020 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Apparently the 170 ventilators that CA got from the federal stockpile weren’t working. It doesn’t look as though the fix was too difficult, but that’s pretty disconcerting. Also, does anyone know how many ventilators we’re getting from that federal stockpile?

  7. Jean Henry
    Posted March 28, 2020 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nY1Sz6PU18

  8. Anonymous
    Posted March 28, 2020 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Florida is getting everything they asked for from the federal government. Michigan isn’t. Why’s that?

    https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1244075229464481792?s=20

  9. iRobert
    Posted March 28, 2020 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Michigan is getting wished into the cornfield. The Trump supports here are silent. It’s disgusting.

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 28, 2020 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    We had no warning??? For decades we have been assured of a global pandemic. It was not a matter of if but when. You don’t remember that shit? H1N1 ought to have been a pretty fucking good wake up call I guess!

    I know the health system is awful but this is ridiculous. We are the United States of America not the Federal Behemoth of America. To be a healthy nation each state needs to be much more responsible than this lame shit. Gretchen Waahmer…

  11. DAN
    Posted March 28, 2020 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    If only…

    This morning in a forum meeting on the current crisis I was invited to attend (on-line) I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears a mature adult male say (what follows is the best paraphrasing I can do) that he’d like to hear anyone in the media, just once, “Thank the President for the job he’s doing. Thank him for BUSTING his tail, working for the American people.”

    I’ve been unpacking that all day…

  12. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 4:31 am | Permalink

    So you don’t see Trumps’s behavior as childish and inappropriate, HW?…not to mention extraordinarily counterproductive.

  13. John Brown
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 4:50 am | Permalink

    Stop hoping agent orange supporting traitors are going to see the light. They are fully invested in treason and will never self realize. They must be treated as enemies of America and marginalized and minimized.

  14. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    I’ll admit, JB, I have given up hope.

    I will never see them as traitors or enemies of America though.

    I see a lot of good people of all political leanings doing and saying things which astound me in the degree of avoidance, denial and ignorance expressed. I see it from Trump supporters and anti-Trump folks alike. Many people who hate Trump and see him as nothing but a problem still aren’t understanding the situation we have developing here. I’ve had to be way more sensitive to people’s apparent fear and denial than I usually am. It’s been a challenge for me.

  15. Anonymous
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-ventilator-shortage.html

  16. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    “So you don’t see Trumps’s behavior as childish and inappropriate, HW?…not to mention extraordinarily counterproductive.”

    He said they helped Michigan a lot. Whittmer made it sound like Trump has done nothing. That’s a character assassination attempt.

  17. Anonymous
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Mitch Albom is on this now.

    “Let’s be honest. We have come to tolerate an infantile person in a grown man’s job, a baby in a suit.”

    https://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/mitch-albom/2020/03/29/mitch-albom-president-donald-trump-gretchen-whitmer/2933518001/

  18. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    So that’s a “no” then, HW, to my question?

    Maybe it works better if I break of my three questions. And maybe FF and EOS can also offer their answers.

    First, do you see Trumps’s behavior as childish?

    Do you see it as at all inappropriate?

    Do you see it as counterproductive at all?

  19. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Why would it be those things for the President to comment that Whittmer needs to be doing a better job before trying to attack the President?

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    “I don’t want them to say things that aren’t true.”

    Seems pretty reasonable. You don’t think?

  21. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Are you incapable or unwilling to answer my simple questions, HW?

    Are EOS or FF able to answer them?

    Instead of answering my very simple question, you asked a question, HW. I’ll be happy to answer it if I can be sure I understand it fully. Maybe rephrase it so I know exactly what you’re asking. But please also consider answering my questions.

    As I think everyone here knows, I have no problem answering questions. I may have not been much help with FF’s question about the discrepancy between the estimates on how many ventilators the US has. I’m willing to keep looking at it though. I’d like to know the answer to FF’s question as well.

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    I see these complaints as childish and counterproductive. I’m not the biggest fan of the term inappropriate. I think the President has handled this situation extraordinarily well.

  23. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    So are those three “no”s?

    You do not believe Trump’s behavior is childish at all?

    You do not believe Trump’s behavior is at all inappropriate?

    You do not see Trump’s behavior as inappropriate?

    I’d also like to ad another question if I could…

    What is the reason for not being able or willing to just say “no” to my questions?

    Maybe FF it EOS can help here.

  24. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    …and to answer your question, yes, HW, it’s reasonable to state “I don’t want them to say things that aren’t true.”

    I don’t think it’s an unreasonable request for Trump to make. However, did Trump specify what it was that was said that wasn’t true, when he made that statement? If he did, what was it? If he didn’t, why wouldn’t he have?

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    “You call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus. You know, you can call it many different names. I’m not sure anybody even knows what it is…” — President Trump, two days ago.

  26. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Obviously my answer is no. I don’t understand your point in demanding a yes or no to dumb questions like that.

  27. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    The point is that I think there might be a different reason why you wouldn’t just answer “no” outright. I think you do on some level understand that Trump’s behavior is childish, inappropriate and counterproductive. That’s why I’d like to see if EOS and FF would answer no outright. I think there’s a reason you there so avoid talking about Trump’s behavior and comments openly, freely and objectively.

    There is no topic I avoid like that. Thee is no question I would feel so compelled to dodge.

  28. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    My next set of questions would regard whether youeelf handle situations as Trump does.

    Do you say and do some similar things to those that we see Trump say and do? And when I say “things” I am referring to the things he says and does that folks like myself say are childish, inappropriate and counterproductive.

  29. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    I think Trump is doing a good job. I think Whitmer is using innuendo to try to score political points against Trump during a crisis.

  30. Sad
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    FF shouldn’t you be out plating your garden?

  31. Jean Henry
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Robert has morphed into FF, demanding yes and know answers to a series of questions. The political position is different and so are the targets, for the most part. I manage to inspire the wrath of both, which is something I’m pleased about. Judge me by my enemies…

    You guys are like poster children for annoying white boomer dudes.

  32. Bob
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Yes and know. You are so woke though. Such a dumb fuck.

  33. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    You are a nut, Jean. You seek to fight with everyone around you. You have a problem. It’s obvious it is not just limited to your behavior here on this blog.

    Everyone here has watched you misrepresent every other person here, including the one who refers to you as his “friend.” It’s really disgusting.

  34. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Jean hates questions but loves her opinions which, at an alarming rate, are not based on anything. When you ask her questions in search of some kind of substantiation she gets very protective of her opinions— as if she was protecting a baby from exposure to an existential threat.

    Your opinions are not your babies, Jean. They are your turds.

  35. dirtgrain
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell Trump that he may take our lives, but Michigan will never kiss his ass.

  36. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    “Judge me by my enemies?” Dude! You don’t even know who your “enemies” are. Firstly, I don’t hate you; and secondly there are objectively false statements “about me” in your commentary—just look at your last comment. Objectively false! I would know. Do you not see how stupid your stance is? You think you ought to be judged by your enemies but your enemies are not your enemies and “they”, so to speak, are not even who you have tried to misrepresent them to be.

    It’s just like I have always said. Your self identity relies on your misrepresentations of others. That is so crazy. It is intellectual , spiritual, and emotional insanity!

    It seems like you would want to takes steps to fix it.

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    “Robert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 10:38 am | Permalink
    The point is that I think there might be a different reason why you wouldn’t just answer “no” outright. I think you do on some level understand that Trump’s behavior is childish, inappropriate and counterproductive. That’s why I’d like to see if EOS and FF would answer no outright. I think there’s a reason you there so avoid talking about Trump’s behavior and comments openly, freely and objectively.
    There is no topic I avoid like that. Thee is no question I would feel so compelled to dodge.”

    I thought Whitmer was childish at her conference. I think the media is childish. I think people like Schumer and Pelosi are childish with their little impeachment and investigation games. I think you are childish when you say things like “wish you into a cornfield.” I don’t know or care what that references. It’s meaningless and dumb.

    If Michigan’s governor wants to use this as an opportunity to try to make the President look bad when he has done everything pretty fucking well if not absolutely knocking it out of the park then why is it a problem to tell her to get her shit together? 2.2 trillion smackeroonies (delayed by dems) and a disaster declaration tells me there is plenty of assistance coming to the hapless governor and the people of our state.

  38. Sad
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    You do realize how Trump is going to go down in history right? It probably won’t be as hitting it out of the park with the response to this virus.

    Are you OK? Does someone need to bring you food?

    Eat some of your stew.

  39. Posted March 29, 2020 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

  40. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    HW: “I thought Whitmer was childish at her conference. I think the media is childish. I think people like Schumer and Pelosi are childish with their little impeachment and investigation games.”

    Well, HW, that does at least suggest you believe some behavior is childish. Do you feel Trump has ever said or done anything which you’d put in that catagory?

    HW: “I think you are childish when you say things like “wish you into a cornfield.” I don’t know or care what that references. It’s meaningless and dumb.”

    It certainly is childish. I freely admit that. I wouldn’t say it if I were president. That is for sure. Do you realize that there are childish things many people like myself say, but would not say if we were president?

    I don’t think it’s completely meaningless though. I’m spoofing the way you, FF and EOS act about Trump. It is strangely reminiscent of a famous Twilight Zone episode titled “It’s a Good Life” in which a town lives in fear of a child who can wish things in to or outvof existence. I think my referencing it is a humors way of criticizing Trump supporters appearance of living in fear of being, speaking or even thinking in an honest and critical way about anything Trump does or says.

    You see, I don’t fear speaking or thinking critically about anything or anyone. And it’s difficult for me to imagine what others might fear so much about it themselves. It’s especially perplexing to see that fear in a person posting anonymously on a blog, because it seems there are no consequences at all for any degree of honesty in that sort of situation.

  41. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Pence does talk with Whitmer though. He talked with her Yesterday. What does that tell you?

    Context ColuMbo.

  42. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    I’d recite a list of all the childish, inappropriate and counterproductive things Trump has done and said, but there’s really no need to. Mark has posted many very good examples over the last four years.

    I’m just interested in the thinking and motivation behind this thing in Trump supporters that to me appears as a bizarre and seemingly unexplainable fear. It really does amaze me. I’m not kidding. I can’t emphasize enough how odd it looks from my perspective.

  43. iRobert
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    FF: “Pence does talk with Whitmer though. He talked with her Yesterday. What does that tell you?”

    I’m assuming Trump changes his mind and position from one moment to the next. I also assume some people speak to him and persuade him to change his tone on things. Is that what you make of it too, FF?

  44. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    iRobert,

    Try thinking of Trump/ Pense dealing with Whitmer as a good cop/ bad cop routine. God bless Trump for not letting Whitmer see any profit from her little games. He busts erases all that phony shit with a few lines. Trump is not perfect but he might be the best person for what we need right now. Kismet! :)

    Transcending Trump will require a transformation of how we act on the individual level toward one another as part of groups toward other groups.

    Make fun of these statements all you want. I don’t care.

  45. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Forbidding Pence to speak with Whitmer was never even a thing. It was just a silly fake media narrative. So, I don’t think Trump had his mind changed at all.

    https://youtu.be/Sov6nQhqwis

  46. Sad
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    No Easter. Lockdown through April.

    It’s all your fault FF for going out with that funny cold last winter.

    You always ruin everything.

    How’s your garden going. Ha-ha

  47. Lynne
    Posted March 29, 2020 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Trump is a criminal and there is blood on his hands. He could have stopped this and didn’t. And the worst part is that as long as it is liberals in cities who are dying, shitty Trump supporters give him good ratings. The brother of a close friend just died of this. He was in his 40s.

  48. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/03/andrew-cuomo-medicaid-coronavirus

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    iRob, I think your heart not a bad person but your brain is busted. You think there are people who are…afraid to criticize the President??? It’s just moronic. If you were in the habit of getting outside the reality tunnel and learning to understand other perspectives you would start to get it.

    I remember that episode. It didn’t click because what your point doesn’t add up. Yeah, I’m afraid of being done away with by the President…

  50. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    iRob, I think your heart not a bad person but your brain is busted. You think there are people who are…afraid to criticize the President??? It’s just moronic. If you were in the habit of getting outside the reality tunnel and learning to understand other perspectives you would start to get it.

    I remember that episode. It didn’t click because your point doesn’t make a lot of sense. Yeah, I’m afraid of being done away with by the President…

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    …heart is okay/you are not a bad person…

  52. I bet HW that McCabe wouldn’t be fired and all I got was this stupid name
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Aloha HW when is the leader going to use those secret indictments to stop the virus. There must be as many secret indictments as virus infections by now.
    Oh yeah when is Barr going to arrest Epsteins co-conspirators? When is Trump going to pardon Assange ?
    I know you are right about everything, why is the leader waiting? Inquiring minds want to know.

  53. Jean Henry
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    FF– One has to wonder how you treat your enemies if I’m not one of them.

  54. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    I’m sorry you feel that way, Jean.

    If you feel like I am treating you unfairly then point it out when it happens.

    QuestionS: Do you think it Is possible that your last comment was just another attempt to paint a little smear—insinuating I am the type of person who has enemies IRL and that I cruel toward my enemies? Do you see how your comment might fit in with your M.O. which I have identified many times? That is, you have a habit of making things up in order to misrepresent others to your own perceived benefit.

  55. Lynne
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    FF, You are such a sexist dick to JH all of the time! And me. It isn’t an accident that few women are here. It seems to be the norm here. Lots of sexist men and two uppity women who speak their minds anyways.

  56. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps the reasons I disagree with you has absolutely nothing to do with your sex?

  57. Lynne
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    FF, maybe. Probably not but it doesn’t matter. I am only speaking up because sexism is so common that it is pretty easy for women to take men like you seriously and I just wanted JH to know that I see the sexist bullshit here too.

  58. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get it. Why not just show all the supposedly easily-duped-by-sexist-bullshit-type-women why they shouldn’t take me seriously by attacking my arguments? It’s almost always just name calling from you two ladies. Why?

  59. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    I doubt Lynne can come up with a single example of a sexist comment by Frosted Flakes. She has the time to say things like that but no time to substantiate them at all. It’s wild to see such behavior especially from someone who openly hates white men.

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    “sexism is so common that it is pretty easy for women to take men like you seriously”

    Derpous Derpopolous

  61. Bob
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Stupidity is more common than sexism and it’s not gender specific. How many places have you visited in the last few months again, Lynne?

  62. Lynne
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Yeah. that whole ganging up bullying thing is part of how you guys punish women who dare have opinions around here. I can only stay here because I find you guys ridiculous and an excellent source of entertainment. You are kind of like my Tiger Kings LOL

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    You brazenly attacked me for months in concert with others until I finally responded. That’s the truth. Look it up and show me I am wrong or you are a ridiculous fool, right?

  64. Jean Henry
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    FF– It was an earnest question.

    There’s not much I can do if you see a “smear” in everything.

  65. Jean Henry
    Posted March 30, 2020 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Bob– stupidity is best expressed by those incapable of making an argument that is not pugilistic and/or a personal attack. Actually you are incapable of making an argument. You commented twice on this thread so let’s do a quick. replay:

    “Yes and know[sic]. You are so woke though. Such a dumb fuck.”

    “Stupidity is more common than sexism and it’s not gender-specific. How many places have you visited in the last few months again, Lynne?”

    You’re a real fucking genius, Bob. And not sexist at all. Your women friends who ALL work at PP supposedly, tell you so when they are trashing me, right? Last I checked, trashing clients was not acceptable behavior at PP or any health care facility. And no one I know who works there knows who you were talking about btw and suggested you made the story up. Care to name names? They sound like AMAZING feminists– The uppity women trashing kind.

  66. Bob
    Posted March 31, 2020 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    You are probably the most self loathing person I’ve ever encountered in my life Jean. I’m sorry nobody loves you. Real women laugh at you.

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