Donald Trump says on Fox News that he’ll be cutting Medicare and Social Security

At a Fox News town hall this evening, Donald Trump, who announce during the last State of the Union that he would “always protect” the Medicare and Social Security of Americans, once again admitted publicly that his administration would be “cutting” social safety net programs like Medicare and Social Security. Please do me a favor and tie a string around your finger so that you remember this when you’re voting on Election Day, OK?

Speaking of Donald Trump, he also said on Fox News yesterday that some people with COVID-19 feel good enough to go to work, improve quickly, etc. After the fact, when people expressed outrage that the president was suggesting that infected people might be OK in the workplace, he responded by calling it “fake news” and “disinformation put out by the Democrats”. It wasn’t. Here’s the audio.

I’d like to say more, but I hear there’s a new show about killing Nazis on TV.

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51 Comments

  1. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 5, 2020 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    ColuMbo!

  2. Posted March 5, 2020 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Cleanup on aisle 45.

  3. EOS
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 4:30 am | Permalink

    Another false headline. Pathetic.

  4. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Tenuous defined

  5. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Anyway there is a ton of Medicare fraud you ought to acknowledge, Barky. It’s not just more Medicare good, less Medicare bad.

  6. Anonymous
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    There is a ton of theft from retail establishments. To reduce that, we should close more stores.

    There is a ton of cheating on the SAT. To reduce that, we should close more schools.

    There is a ton of embezzling occurring through the mail. To reduce that, we should close more post offices.

  7. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    But I’m not saying shut the store down. I’m saying stop the theft. Install security features. Protect against fraud.

  8. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Identifying and stopping fraudulent claims a bad thing you think?

  9. Sad
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    I think Covid-19 will be the end of Trump.

  10. Anonymous
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    There are a lot of nonsensical comments on this board. To reduce these, we should restrict the number of posters.

  11. Jean Henry
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    HW and EOS see minor problems as major and don’t see major problems at all.
    It’s like they are looking for molehills while a mudslide advances upon us all.

  12. Kit
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Mark literally included the videos with in the post. Like, they’re actually embedded. You can hear Trump say both of those things very clearly.

  13. Jean Henry
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    I think if a few right-wing domineering people dropped out and many of us who go up against them as we can just stopped, maybe this space would repopulate with sincere interesting and informed opinions from a variety of perspectives. I’ve been thinking a lot about how trolls main power derives from being domineering. And that the rest of us key into that when we respond in any way. And of course any response is not enough for them They crave negative attention. I admit I am the worst at this. But I think it’s a waste of time. I wish this place could return to a space where one or two people weren;t sucking all the air out of the room.

    There’s a lot of work to be done and we have two very flawed and mediocre candidates to support and bolster. Maybe we could to start our path to ending the national nightmare by ending the MM comments section nightmare.

  14. Anonymous
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Trump cancelled a CDC visit today. He’s still doing a fundraiser.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-abruptly-cancels-trip-to-cdc-as-coronavirus-death-toll-in-us-rises

  15. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    No kit.

    Trump did not say he was going to cut Medicare or Social Security. Watch the video.

    Trump did not say it is “ok to go to work” if you are infected. The context of his statement was tbat many people will not be counted as having Coronavirus because they experience mild symptoms, do not get tested, and go about their lives without knowing they have the virus. I have heard experts say the same thing in terms of the difficulty of calculating fatality rates…Watch the video.

  16. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    I am most worried about the kind of posters who are incapable of properly applying analogies.

  17. Lynne
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    I think it is interesting that so many on the right have trouble with abstractions. They will not believe that there could be cuts until there are actually cuts to things like Social Security.

  18. EOS
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    I think it would be far better if those who constantly go against other posters would be the ones who dropped out and left others who wish to discuss the concepts and issues to continue.

    JH – most of us really don’t care who you like or dislike.

  19. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Lynne,

    Thinking in abstractions untethered from the concrete is not something to be proud of. It is taking the amazingly easy route and it rarely leads toward truth.

  20. Jean Henry
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    FF– you make clear every day, several times a day, that a firm belief in logic and reason but selective use of facts rarely leads towards truth either.

  21. Jean Henry
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    EOS– I quite obviously was not directing my comment towards you.

    FWIW, the feeling is mutual.

    Why Mark allows you and your friends to run rampant here is beyond me. You used to be a sideshow, now you and friends are the main act. And it has corrupted the whole space.

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Most likely we won’t need as much medicare when revenue from the trade deals greatly improves the already good economy as he mentioned. If the fraud was eliminated that would amount to a massive cut I’m sure.

  23. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Jean,

    Cool. Challenge my specific truth claims as they come up. We will see how that works out for you.

  24. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Jean,

    Don’t you have a lot of “bolstering”work you need to do for your “mediocre and flawed” candidates?

    As bad as things feel now, know that this is the best it is going to feel for a long time. As far as you can see into the future, right now, is as good as it gets. Search your feelings. You know it is true.

    Sane people in your position might want to consider whether or not they should abandon their flawed approach TO ALMOST EVERYTHING.

  25. Anonymous
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    FF,

    I am most worried about how to get my kids through college, what impact the COVID-19 scare will have on my job, and how to avoid getting into an accident on my daily commute down M14.

  26. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    But you don’t get any reward for all of your attempts at being cute. The phrase “most worried” was used in relation to the forum posting policies. But you knew that. What you don’t know is: You don’t look cute or clever when you say stuff like that.

  27. Anonymous
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    It’s not my intention to appear cute or clever to you.

  28. EOS
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Yes Jean, challenge the truth claims and show why you think they are in error. Don’t announce reason and logic are flawed and then criticize other people. That’s what discourages other people from sharing on Mark’s blog.

  29. iRobert
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Jean apparently feels itself to be the ultimate troll here, with the right to banish others. I’m pretty sure that’s not how it works.

  30. John Brown
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Traitor Republicans embrace doublespeak. Truth is dead.

  31. iRobert
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    I like all this “We’re gonna…” the Republicans day all the time. You’ve been in for 3 years and 2 months. When is all this great shit gonna happen? What have you been doing all this time?

    The suggestion that this is the greatest economy we’ve ever had is so beyond ridiculous. You only have to go back to the 90s to see a way better economy. So pathetic.

  32. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    May I ask what has been your intent in this thread?

    Start at the beginning: To me it appeared that you tried to use analogy to mock HW in a “cute” way, The only problem is your “analogy” was actually a disanalogy because you mis-interpreted HW. HW quickly pointed it out to you but you but you failed to answer his clear and valid objection. What was the intent there? Come on. We will hold hands and I will walk you through your very odd contribution to this thread.

    When your “cute” little arguments rely on your own misinterpretations and misassumptions your arguments really aren’t cute are they?

  33. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    J Bro,

    I know you are a grand elucidator so I am curious: Why announce “truth is dead” in such vague terms? You should identify the example(s) of double speak. We are not all experts at abstract thinking like you and Lynne, after all.

  34. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    “Don’t announce reason and logic are flawed and then criticize other people.”

    Nailed it.

  35. iRobert
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Is also be interested in hearing what each of Jean’s multiple personalities think of one another.

  36. iRobert
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    I’d also be interested in hearing what each of Jean’s multiple personalities think of one another.

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    How is it not treason to break laws to try to overthrow the President? Russia collusion was complete bullshit. What it turned out to be based on is hilarious: some Russian talking in a bar (for financial reward perhaps?) about things he did not even think would be taken seriously. You better hope it was not in coordination with a foreign interest. Then it’s textbook constitutional treason.

  38. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    I will admit I have been too harsh and combative. Sorry Anonymous. I will try to do better but can we all agree that this was one of Mark’s worst posts of all time?

  39. iRobert
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    We’re all patiently waiting for this brilliant administration to put one person in prison for all these treasonous acts, HW. Are they going to do it before Trump is out of office?

    3 Years, 2 Months and counting.

  40. iRobert
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Trump is waiting til the last possible moment for purposes of building the anticipation, like they did on the apprentice before he’d say “you’re fired.”

  41. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    HW,

    Do you mean Steele’s source,who the fbi described as credible to the FISA courts; but left out the fact that their assessment of him as credibile as a person was based upon not the credibility of the dossier; rather his credibility was based upon his honest and truthful explanations, to the FBI, that the **dossier itself was not credible** because he truthfully admitted that the info he gave Steele was not credible and/or it was distorted by Steele in his opinion? That guy?

  42. Sad
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Don’t worry HW, once sleepy Joe gets elected you’ll be able to jump on stupid things he says.

    FF though will have to find a conservative blog to defend sleepy Joe.

    Everything will be topsy turvy.

  43. iRobert
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Do you participate in any sports, FF?

    You might benefit from boxing, bull riding or ice hockey.

  44. Sad
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Wrestling?

  45. iRobert
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Professional wrestling is too fake, and genuine wrestling has too many rules. So, no, Sad.

  46. iRoberr
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry, Sad. I forgot about your quest to get these guys to wrestle you in little shorts. I can’t stand in te way of your dreams. I take back my rejection. But maybe FF should chose two or more sports of the four mentioned then.

  47. iRoberr
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    It’s cold outside, so now I’m iRoberrrrrrr.

  48. Anonymous
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    I used to play ice hockey in a men’s league, but it got too serious to risk injury for competitive purposes. Then I played for fun with a group of friends on a regular ice time, but then I got too old to risk injury. Now I run, swim, and do resistance training on my own schedule. I wonder what everybody else does to try to maintain their health? Maybe Mark could open a post about personal health and self-care? At least it would be free without a monthly premium, copay, or deductible.

  49. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    I was thinking about joining the bar arm-wrestling league Jean is always talking about. It sounds like healthy and wholesome fun.

  50. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    “Buy my beer you stupid- sexist-old-patriarchy-supporting -motherfucker”.

  51. Posted March 7, 2020 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    Sad, would you be willing to wrestle Congressman Jim Jordan.

    https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/03/ohio-gop-candidate-says-she-was-thrown-out-of-fundraiser-keynoted-by-jim-jordan-for-bringing-former-osu-wrestlers.html

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