Donald Trump, never one to pass up an opportunity to demonstrate his depth of his smallness, chooses to mark his historic impeachment by coming to Michigan and speculating as to whether or not John Dingell may be burning in hell

It took impeachment, but Donald Trump has finally won his first popular vote!

Members of the U.S. House of Representatives voted to impeach the President of the United States this evening, making Donald J. Trump not just the third person in the entire history of our great nation to earn such a devastating rebuke, but the fastest by far to reach the ignoble distinction. In pure Trump fashion, the President chose to mark the occasion not by apologizing for his well-documented affronts to the Constitution, but by lashing out wildly at those who, unlike him, have chosen to put country before personal self-interest, and actually honor their sworn constitutional obligation. And, unfortunately, he decided to do this here, in my beloved home state of Michigan. Here, to give you a sense of just how low he went during his Battle Creek rally this evening, is a post from Jordan Fabian of Bloomberg Business.

For what it’s worth, Donald Trump, who, by the way, was chosen for office by God himself, wasn’t clear as to why Dingell, a World War II vet and the longest serving Representative to serve in the House in U.S. history, may be burning in hell. One wonders if it was because of his work on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, his tireless work to expand heath care to the American people, or the historic legislation he drafted to ensure that we have clean water to drink and clean air to breathe.

Given that Trump won Michigan in 2016 by just 10,704 votes, I’d have thought that he might take a slightly different approach, and maybe not attempt to shit on the legacy of one of Michigan’s most beloved leaders of all time, but what do I know. Maybe, as Dingell has been dead for almost a year now, people are ready for the President to start theorizing about how he might be burning in hell, and publicly beating up on his grieving window for not giving him anything of value – like a vote against impeachment – in return for doing his job and agreeing to lower the White House flag in recognition of the Congressman’s passing. [Ironically, at the same time this was transpiring, Republican members of Congress were on television declaring that Donald Trump would never look for any kind of personal return on something he’d done as President.] It has, after all, been a few years since Dingell last won a race. When he did, though, he earned almost 70% of the vote… Enough about Trump, though. How about, instead of talking about how he responded to news of his impeachment, we focus on the inspiring and patriotic words delivered today by the likes of Adam Schiff, John Lewis, Maxine Waters and Steny Hoyer? That, I think, might be better for our collective mental health.

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  1. Posted December 18, 2019 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    OK, someone sent me video from the Trump rally, and it’s even worse than I imagined.

  2. Anonymous
    Posted December 18, 2019 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Debbie Dingell has responded:

    Mr. President, let’s set politics aside. My husband earned all his accolades after a lifetime of service. I’m preparing for the first holiday season without the man I love. You brought me down in a way you can never imagine and your hurtful words just made my healing much harder.

  3. John Brown
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    The third Article of Impeachment will be Treason. Bring on Lev Parnas. Investigation continues.

  4. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    Not a smart move in Michigan, Trump. You don’t want Michiganders to remember what real statesmanship and commitment to public health care options looked like.

  5. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Meanwhile, the upper echelons of the Departments of Defense are emptying out. The Pentagon is hush about why.

  6. Eel
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    He broke another record last night.

    More House members voted to impeach Donald Trump than any President in history.

  7. ABC News
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Russian Pres. Vladimir Putin has dismissed the impeachment case against Pres. Trump, accusing the Democratic Party of using “absolutely invented reasons” to try to remove him from office.

  8. Morning Joe
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    “Mean, cruel, disgusting” — Senator Stabenow reacts to the president’s remarks about the late Rep. John Dingell.

  9. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Trump is among other things like a live improv performer. He is good at it. It was inaudible but it sounded like he was responding to someone in the crowd. The first rule of improv is to say “yes” first. After you say “yes” can say “yes, but”…. It is a rule for incorporating all of the random things that spontaneously arise.

    Trump said: “Let’s assume he is looking down.”

  10. Sad
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est

  11. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Yes, Sad.

  12. Lynne
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    He is just a bully who LOVES kicking people when they are down.

  13. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    I think it is more complicated, Lynne. I don’t think Trump’s story was that great but I think he was trying to say something like: “I did not like Dingell but when he died I did the right thing; Debbie does not like me but she is willing to go along with a fraudulent attempt to delegitimization my presidency and she is willing to act holier than thou while doing it.”

    It is the sanctimonious moment that Republican’s find so over the top repulsive. The carving out of a higher ground for themselves is hilarious and disturbing to many…These are just my opinions and interpretations.

  14. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    …and not just Republicans find the holier than thou attitude repulsive.

  15. John Brown
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 10:17 am | Permalink


    Please also translate for us the rambling rant about dishwashers requiring 12 button pushes and the new crowd favorite, call and return – “sinks, showers, …toilet!”

  16. Sad
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    On the bright side it gives Mayor Pete plenty of time to campaign in Iowa without Sanders and Warren. And it keeps Biden and his son in the spotlight which can’t be good for him.

  17. Lynne
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Republicans only have issues with holier-than-thou attitudes when they perceive those they see as undeserving as adopting it. Often though, what they see as holier-than-thou is really just someone saying that they are equal. They are fine when other republicans adopt such an attitude in case you haven’t noticed. They are OK with being hypocrites too!

  18. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    J Bro,

    Maybe Laura still reads this blog and give you some insights into “unintended consequences” as they might apply to high efficiency appliances and water savers? Mark was having problems with his HE washer a few years ago. I think some of the consequences are intended and some are unintended. The key is to avoid being a sucker, imo.

    Posted March 22, 2015 at 9:13 pm | Permalink
    Please do start that washing machine company! EVERYTHING out there SUCKS right now. We are cajoled and pushed into being environmentally friendly–whether we want to or not–but in the end, how much more are these terrible appliances costing the environment? The resources to manufacture them, consumers wasting water and electricity to do the same damn load 3 times TO GET THEM SOMEWHAT CLEAN, then disposal in 6 years. It’s unconscionable that this is being allowed. Folks need to contribute to their retirement plans, pay for kids to go to college, take care of aging parents–NOT BUY A NEW DAMN APPLIANCE EVERY TIME THEY TURN AROUND. Washer, dryer, refrigerator, stove, microwave, dishwasher. It never ends. I bet some bean counter in Washington’s done the math and this is the only thing keeping our economy afloat. It appears I’m having a rant of my own. Beating the damn clothes with a rock at the creek is sounding pretty good…

  19. John Brown
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Fashy, automatic dishwashers are for the elite, so I have no knowledge of those. But my high efficiency toilet and clothes washer are awesome. Gonest shit and cleanest clothes ever. Apparently agent orange and Laura don’t understand the iterative improvement process of engineering and science.

    And of course Pooty has immediately come out against impeachment. But thats no surprise since any good boss stands behind his employees, right?

  20. Anonymous
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Steve Pierce has a robotic toilet. I read about it here.

  21. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    When you and Mark are in the foxhole together you can debate the “elite” question regarding particular appliances and you can also explain to him why his HE appliance is not crappy but “awesome”. You guys are going to have so much fun in your foxhole together. I don’t think you guys are going to annoy each other at all. Composting toilets will not be needed in your foxhole but my personal opinion is that “nature’s head composting toilet” will be the best option for the rest of civilized society. Seriously, the amount of water that is wasted is gross…

    Posted November 20, 2013 at 8:28 pm | Permalink
    I know I shouldn’t respond to taunting. I can’t help myself, though. I feel as though I need to defend the claim of elitism. Which is ridiculous, I know. But, nonetheless, I feel like I need to explain to you all why I have a front load washer, like I’m some kind of ivy league professor or something… First off, it only cost a few hundred dollars more than a traditional washing machine, and simple math demonstrated to me that I’d more than make up the difference over a few years thanks to the energy and water savings. Second, I felt as though it was the right thing to do environmentally. And, third, and most importantly, a traditional washing machine wouldn’t work in the space. You see, our old washing machine died at at a point when we were dealing with a great many poop-filled diapers diapers, and, as it was in the basement, and somewhat of a pain in the ass to get to, we weren’t attending to laundry as much as we should have been, resulting in some pretty disgusting situations. At any rate, when the washer died, we decided that we’d take the opportunity to move our laundry upstairs, where we could keep more on top of it. And we decided to put the new washer and drier into a closet. And the only way it would work was to stack them. So that’s the whole story. I’m not sure if it makes me an elitist or someone who only had room upstairs for a stackable washer and drier. Regardless, I still maintain that the damn thing shouldn’t have stopped working after 7 years. Elitist or not, that’s not right.

  22. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    I used one of those Japanese toilets once. They are kind of awesome. Who knew the experience could anything other than mundane. Years ago contractor friend built a bathroom with two of them with a knee wall between for married clients. They divorced soon after. We joked for years about the $20,000 two-holer (that’s country for a double outhouse). And then I tried one. Still wouldn’t spend 10 grand on it.

  23. Bob
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Well that certainly took an unexpected turn. Thanks Jean.

  24. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    A year ago in MM memories…
    “Everyone knows about the Dunning-Kruger effect. I knew about it before I ever heard of it years ago because it is so obvious. I’ve never taken an IQ test but my IQ is probably in the 140’s. High intelligence tends to run in families and I don’t think it usually skips a generation like color-blindness.” —Hyborian Warlord

    Oh man, it’s still funny.

  25. John Brown
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Here’s another example of things probably being exactly what they seem. Too bad The Dolt isn’t around to spew some dismissive ruskie propaganda about Tulsi voting “present”.

  26. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Trump would be making a fatal error if he tossed Pence and so his conservative Christian base for Tulsi and her populist isolationist wacko base. They really don’t agree on much.

    My guess is she’s angling for a 3rd party run on the presidency. She wants to be a disruptive political force. She’s not giving up any time soon. I think she would pull more from Trump that any Dem so that’s good. She obviously is powerfully ambitious, so I wouldn’t put a Senate run past her too. But VP. Nope.

    I actually kind of hope I’m wrong on this one.

  27. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Would DD vote for Trump if Tulsi was on the ticket?

  28. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    “Trump said: “Let’s assume he is looking down.” — FF
    FF lied about Trump’s comments. I even googled that quote he shared. It shows up in only one place. His comment here.

    What Trump really said:
    “John would be so thrilled,” Trump quoted Dingell’s widow as saying. “He’s looking down.”
    Trump quipped to his audience in Battle Creek: “Maybe he’s looking up. I don’t know.”

    Pretending a quote from Debbie Dingell was Trump’s statement shows what a lying, lying, liar, liar pants on fire FF is. We have heard call Schiff’s parodic summation of Trump’s words criminal. I don’t know how FF lives with the cognitive dissonance. Trump’s and FF’s duplicity and smugness are enough to repulse and ‘disgust’ even members of Trump’s loyal base.

  29. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Oh, I see Trump backtracked after hearing boos and said that. Does that somehow make it ok? Most of the internet does not think so. Are you implying he didn’t mean what he said? He didn’t even apologize.
    I’m going to assume your standard for backtracks is consistently applied, FF.

  30. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    “Oh man, it’s still funny.”

    What’s funny is you of all people trying to educate me about the Duning-Kruger effect. You are on the extreme left of it on so many things. You actually berate people over assumptions you make about things you don’t understand.

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Pretty sure those are not boos. How do you people get by in the world not understanding one damn thing? Obviously it was like “Ooooohhh” as in “I heeeeaaaard that!” You think it makes sense that they would be like “Booo! We like John Dingell, Mr. President!”

  32. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Nice display of your investigative skills, Jean.


  33. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    “Does that somehow make it ok? Most of the internet does not think so.”—Jean

    Most of the what? Thinks what? About what?

  34. John Brown
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Christianity Today calls for impeachment. What say EOS?

  35. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    A balanced perspective on Trump:

  36. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Most of the what? The internet
    Thinks what? that it’s not ok
    About what? that Trump assailed Dingell and then backtracked after hearing boos

    Also, HW demonstrates resistance to reality even in the face of video evidence.

    You love video evidence FF and rely on it for many of your arguments. Do you agree with HW that those were not boos?

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    How is Trump the sociopath when it is your side that engages in the most crooked behavior of all time? Illegal spying on candidates by a sitting President! For starters!!! Time to pay for all your lies. They are in the crosshairs now. Criminal investigation, baby.

  38. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    You seriously think they were booing? And on behalf of Dingell?! Ahahaa, oh shit. Then you want to tell me I am the one who is outside of the bounds of reality.

  39. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Oh! It’s not just the internet now FF. It’s GOP senators. Apparently Dingell matter more to them than foreign influence on elections… or it could be that this was a political misstep on Trump’s part from which they feel a need to distance themselves.

    HW you are really doing such a good job of demonstrating the Dunning Kruger effect for us today,

  40. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    FF– What do you think of HW’s commentary here today? Are you in his posse or not?

  41. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    “Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. … None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.”

  42. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Jean, you have no rationale. What can you say besides HW is this and that? You don’t answer the most damning questions. I answer just about everything and do it properly, with reason not unfounded assumptions.

  43. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    For example someone in the crowd is shown doing a ‘whoooo’ or an ‘oooh’ and clearly nodding in agreement with the President. This is hilarious to see. The attacks are getting more pathetic as the crooks panic in desperation. You don’t like to think about criminal investigations into things I have been talking about for years, do you? Ahahahaha! I love it.

  44. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Jean now thinks she is the official spokesperson for what the internet thinks?

    Just look at the video! The crowd is not booing. Trump refines his statement within seconds. It was a crass joke that seemed to be a response to something somebody yelled from the audience. I’m glad Trump refined his statement in the moment. If he also apologized that would be ok too.

  45. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Lou Whitaker was in the crowd… Lou! Lou! Lou!

  46. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2019 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

  47. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 5:06 am | Permalink


    I want to like your Lou Whitaker joke. It would be funny and clever if it wasn’t misapplied. You are a very confused person, Jean.

    I was trying to say, that it seemed to me, Trump was repeating the line “maybe he is looking up” after he heard somebody yell something in the crowd. Trump delivered the line “maybe he is looking up” while pointing and staring at somebody in the crowd. It was as if Trump was responding to whatever was yelled by an audience member….Trump immediately switched back to “let’s assume he was looking down” which we have established after clearing up your confusion on that different point. Does that make sense?

    It is so weird that you fail to understand such basic things after investing so much time reading about, thinking about, and writing about a 15 second section of Trump’s speech. It is hilarious to me that you think you can take the pulse of “the internet’s” feelings about 15 seconds of a speech while you simultaneously demonstrate your failure to understand what is happening during the actual 15 seconds of the same speech. The fact that you are also bringing up the Dunning Krueger effect, while doing your Mr Bean act is just over the top insanely hilarious.

    Good God.

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Detroit sued over 2016 election problems.

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Don’t forget what Ivanka said: There is a special place in hell for people who hurt children. Being familiar with the President’s communication style I think “looking up” was a reference to that. He wouldn’t go out of his way to mention Dingell in hell for no reason.

  50. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    You’re so obtuse HW.

    Are you saying Dingell hurt children?

  51. Jean Henry
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Please note the lawsuit does not allege any of the deceased registered voters actually voted in 2016. (Yes I know there were more votes tabulated that registered voters checked in properly, which is why the absence of any larger fraud accusation in the lawsuit is interesting.) This is not even a 2016 exclusive problem but a longstanding problem with voter registration and tabulation dysfunction in Detroit. People have talked about it for ages; the Stein recount confirmed it. A state audit showed no fraudulent pattern, just dysfunction. A lawsuit means nothing when filed. Let’s wait for the outcome. I know that’s hard for you HW.

  52. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    That’s the excuse they use.

    Regarding Dingell I think he was referring to that comment by Ivanka. I do not think he would demolish a senator’s mausoleum for no reason.

    How can you of all people call me everything you do when I am proven more correct all the time now? With Durham’s criminal investigation now roaring it’s going to get much worse. Everything I have said will prove true and you will be forced to seriously upgrade your understanding and shut the fuck up about me and people like me forever. It happens every day but you with your good old pal ignorance pretend it does not.

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Detroit has thousands more registered voters than voting age residents. Ignorance, Jean. You ignore reality in favor of something you call a narrative. You know what I call that: lies you tell yourself.

  54. Anonymous
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    It’s time to have a serious talk about banning HW from this site.

    Don’t forget what Ivanka said: There is a special place in hell for people who hurt children. Being familiar with the President’s communication style I think “looking up” was a reference to that. He wouldn’t go out of his way to mention Dingell in hell for no reason. -HW

  55. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Because you hate the truth. I have been the target of extreme verbal abuse including threats of violence and rape because I tell the truth. The Clinton’s for example are surrounded by and take money from elite organized child traffickers. You hate me for saying it but it is true. Dems can’t beat Trump so they have to try to remove him. Same thing with you and me.

  56. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Right Anonymous? What did you think that statement meant?

    HW who threatened to rape you?

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    That piece of shit disgruntled dishwasher.

  58. Eel
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Speaking of dishwashers.

    I think Trump must be beaming things directly into your mind, HW.

  59. Lynne
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    I wonder if the reason HW likes Trump so much is that Trump also declares himself correct and in the right even when he is very obviously not?

    FWIW, I also did not like Jean’s Lou joke. Mostly because the very same joke came to my mind as I was reading the comments here but she beat me to it! LOL

  60. Jean Henry
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Trump’s bloviating and his apologists’ mental gymnastics and his cheerleaders’ batshit enthusiasm no matter what he does often feel like parodies. It’s really funny.
    And then we remember it’s all too real.
    Today it turned my mind to:

    Happy Holidays; We’re all going to hell.

  61. Jean Henry
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    “Oh, it ain’t no mystery, if it’s politics or history, all you’ve gotta know is:
    Everything is showbiz.”

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    I told you a long time ago you are burnt toast. No one buys this impeachment shit. The first partisan impeachment and the first without a crime. Yay! We impeached the motherfucker! Over looking into our party’s corruption in Ukraine! It’s a hail mary to try to stop what is coming.

    Only relatively few people like you buy into it like your life depends on it. In a way I think it does. No one is going to be quite the same when everything I have said is proven true. Unfortunately for you the transition to reality is going to be more difficult than for most.

  63. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Mental gymnastics? You are asserting that Trump is getting “boo’d” at a Trump rally, filled with Trump supporters, when the supposed “boos” don’t sound like “boos”. It is one of dumbest thing I have ever heard someone argue. To top it off you seem proud of your argument.

    Crazy town.

  64. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Many news sources described boos and groans when Trump insulted the late congressman.

  65. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 12:39 pm | Permalink


  66. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Dingell told Trump to go to hell defending McCain. That might be enough right there to put him in The Bad Place for eternity.

  67. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Why don’t you run that by EOS HW ?

  68. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    “The News” says lots of stuff.

    We have awesome access to primary sources now. Why people still rely slavishly on other people for interpretations is beyond me. Think for yourself!

  69. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Go to Hell!

  70. Jean Henry
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    HW knows who is naughty and who is nice, who is going to hell and heaven.

    FF “think for yourself” In other words ignore any facts contrary to your world view. I think everyone here on all sides does a pretty good job of that already.

  71. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    “Think for yourself” is more like not giving control to the people who are lying inorder to gain control of you. Many people are brainwashed here. Jean is one of them. Jean can’t even just watch a 15 seconds of a video and know who said what. She consults what other people are saying about that 15 seconds—like a slave.

  72. Jean Henry
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    FF– I was in a public place without headphones and so could not listen to the video in question. I did search your transcription. I have listened to it since and still don’t understand how Trump’s backtrack makes it all somehow ok. And yes many people agree with me. Given your own assessment of Trump as playing to his audience, I think it quite obviously matters what others think. He fell on his face and I think you have spent enough of everyone’s time trying to explain that away.

  73. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    So, Jean felt comfortable calling me a duplitous-smug-liar based upon my summary of 15 seconds
    of a speech that she had not yet listened to? That seems irresponsible to me.

  74. Bob
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Nobody wants to rape you HW. You really have a high opinion of yourself. If I ever do beat your ass I will definitely wear latex gloves and one of those bird flu masks.

  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Big if for an internet pussy. You’ll do nothing.

    USMCA, Space Force, sky-high market, record unemployment, pedos and human slavers going down…This President is beating that ass just like I said he would and just like you screamed about when I said it. Bunch o’ crybabies around here!

  76. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Oh yeah baby. I know I am having fun in life. Too bad crybabies never have any hahaha!

  77. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Well I must admit that was pretty good HW.

    Thanks for sharing.

    Don’t forget paid family leave for all federal employees.

  78. Bob
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    You are lame enough to think that’s amusing. You probably actually like Queen records too.

  79. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Go to Hell!!

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2019 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, what he said. I got a posse.

  81. Jean Henry
    Posted December 21, 2019 at 4:45 am | Permalink

    Turn around is fair play FF. I used your exact words against you. And, for the record, your accusations were just about as plausible as my admittedly flawed ones. It’s called parody. Look it up.

  82. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 21, 2019 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    I don’t think Jean has done what she thinks she has done. I also don’t think I have done what she thinks I have done.

    I get the sense Jean thinks of my arguments as arguments put forth in some sort of trickster way. My only trick for destroying her arguments every time is trying to be honest about facts all the to time. Truth is a powerful force.

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 21, 2019 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    I have thought before you were trying to offer a parody of me. The problem is you are actually offering a parody of your own misrepresentation of me. You have done the same thing to others. It makes you look very clownish. In order to pull off a parody you need to have a firm understanding of thing you are mocking. You have very little understanding, Jean.

  84. Jean Henry
    Posted December 21, 2019 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Looks like HW and the Q crazies will be waiting a long time for that Durham report.

  85. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 21, 2019 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    “These things take time”—Barr

    I have never read anything by Q. The Horowitz report was a peak into the future. Many people are clueless.

  86. Jean Henry
    Posted December 21, 2019 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Last night I watched the movie “Thr Report” about the Senate Intelligence inquiry into Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (aka torture) utilized by the CIA during the Bush administration. I noted that mention was made of a DOJ investigation run by “Durham” that decided not to prosecute CIA officials involved in EIT and, more critically, to not release the Senate Report. (It was later read into the record at the Senate Intelligence Committee). Same guy.

    “The Department of Justice had launched two investigations overseen by John Durham in 2009 that also did not result in charges.[80] The rationale for the absence of charges has not been disclosed, but Mr. Durham did say that the full record of the possible evidence of criminal conduct and possible defenses that might be offered by any of those accused were contained in the pages of the Senate committee report that he was not going to release. Thus, it remains impossible for anyone to offer an independent evaluation of whether anyone involved was or was not guilty of criminal conduct.”

    So Mr Durham has worked as a shill for political purposes in the past– this time at the behest of the Bush and Obama administrations and the CIA.

    Notably, a recent NYT bio of Durham did not mention his work on that investigation at all.

    It should be noted that his failure to prosecute protected not just CIA members following orders (and not all did; some quit) but also the private contractors who developed the technique based on psychological conjecture rather than evidence. And so the CIA continued to assert that torture worked to extract critical intel until the Senate Report was read.

    I can see why Barr chose him to lead this new investigation. Durham btw has already asserted publicly that he differs with Horowitz’ conclusions– which was a major breach of protocol and also pleased Barr to no end.

  87. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 21, 2019 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Horowitz does not agree with Horowitz’s conclusions.

    Most media latched onto specific conclusions that were worded favorably for the “no bias” narrative. When questioned about his findings Horowitz painted a very different picture than media interpretations.

  88. Jean Henry
    Posted December 21, 2019 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    FF– I said Durham disagreed with Horowitz’ conclusions, not the media coverage of them… At least Horowitz is not a political shill like Durham has been in the past.

    PS– Impeachment evidence is still rolling in too :

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