What’s all this I hear about Tulsi Gabbard?

As I don’t think I’ve ever said as much here, it’s probably about time that I come out and say publicly that I’m not a fan of Tulsi Gabbard’s. If she were to somehow be the last Democrat standing, I’d vote for her in a general election against Trump, but that’s the only scenario I can think of in which I’d ever support her for anything. I’m sure she’s got her good points, but, generally speaking, I prefer my representatives not to be gay-hating Assad apologists who poll well among members of the far right like former KKK leader David Duke.

I know there are some who will interject here that I’ve fallen prey to a sophisticated campaign against Gabbard launched by the military industrial complex, the members of whom are deathly afraid of her “peace” agenda. To that, I’d say, “Bullshit.” My dislike for Gabbard stems exclusively from what she herself says and does. I didn’t like that she was one of the last Democratic members of Congress to come out in favor of impeachment once it became known that Donald Trump had put his own personal interests over those of the United States in Ukraine. [When the evidence first came out about Trump withholding foreign aid in exchange for the initiation of a fake investigation against Joe Biden, Gabbard had said that impeachment was too “divisive” to put the country through. She eventually changed her tune, though, when it became clear that refusing to do so would essentially eliminate her from the 2020 race.] And then there was that time, after the Mueller report came out, when she took the opportunity to state incorrectly that Donald Trump had been exonerated. [You can see the video below.] And, while I’m not exactly what you’d call a hawk, I don’t think that we should just disengage from the rest of the world, leaving tyrants to do as they wish in places like Syria, where a relatively small American force of 2,000 was keeping a lot of bad things from happening. And, for what it’s worth, I really didn’t like that she apparently talked early on with Donald Trump about joining his administration.

So, I’d already made up my mind about the 2020 candidate when I heard yesterday that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, after referring to Jill Stein “a Russian asset” during a podcast interview, seemed to imply that Putin’s forces might be grooming Gabbard to be a third party spoiler in 2020, in hopes of dividing the left and returning Trump the the White House.

Before we get to that, though, I’d like to share an excerpt from a recent Washington Post article about the alt-right’s fondness for Gabbard.

Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump’s former chief strategist, is impressed with her political talent. Richard B. Spencer, the white nationalist leader, says he could vote for her. Former Representative Ron Paul praises her “libertarian instincts,” while Franklin Graham, the influential evangelist, finds her “refreshing.”

And far-right conspiracy theorists like Mike Cernovich see a certain MAGA sais quoi.

“She’s got a good energy, a good vibe. You feel like this is just a serious person,” Mr. Cernovich said. “She seems very Trumpian.”

Among her fellow Democrats, Representative Tulsi Gabbard has struggled to make headway as a presidential candidate, barely cracking the 2 percent mark in the polls needed to qualify for Tuesday night’s debate. She is now injecting a bit of chaos into her own party’s primary race, threatening to boycott that debate to protest what she sees as a “rigging” of the 2020 election. That’s left some Democrats wondering what, exactly, she is up to in the race, while others worry about supportive signs from online bot activity and the Russian news media.

Perhaps strangest of all is the unusual array of Americans who cannot seem to get enough of her.

On podcasts and online videos, in interviews and Twitter feeds, alt-right internet stars, white nationalists, libertarian activists and some of the biggest boosters of Mr. Trump heap praise on Ms. Gabbard. They like the Hawaiian congresswoman’s isolationist foreign policy views. They like her support for drug decriminalization. They like what she sees as censorship by big technology platforms.

Then there is 4chan, the notoriously toxic online message board, where some right-wing trolls and anti-Semites fawn over Ms. Gabbard, calling her “Mommy” and praising her willingness to criticize Israel. In April, the Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi website, took credit for Ms. Gabbard’s qualification for the first two Democratic primary debates.

Brian Levin, the head of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino, said Ms. Gabbard had “the seal of approval” within white nationalist circles. “If people have that isolationist worldview, there is one candidate that could best express them on each side: Gabbard on the Democratic side and Trump on the Republican side,” Mr. Levin said.

Ms. Gabbard has disavowed some of her most hateful supporters, castigating the news media for giving “any oxygen at all” to the endorsement she won from the white nationalist leader David Duke. But her frequent appearances on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show have buoyed her support in right-wing circles….

Speaking of Tucker Carlson she joined him on his nightly Fox News white power hour last night, where she went on at length about how, as President, she wouldn’t be controlled by the corrupt Democratic Party. And, this, of course, was after she referred to Hillary Clinton as a the “Queen of Warmongers,” again echoing a familiar rallying cry from the far right.

Here, for those of you who just can’t get enough of Democrats reciting Trump talking points, is one of Gabbard’s tweets from last night, after it became know that Clinton had inferred that the Russians might like her. [note: Some are suggesting that Clinton referred to Gabbard as a Russian asset. She did not. She did, however, say that the Russians were very fond of one particular candidate. And, when asked if she was talking about Gabbard, responded by saying, “If the nesting doll fits.”]

I don’t know how useful it is to have a conversation about whether Gabbard is a Russian asset, or just someone who the Russians like a great deal because of the positions that she’s taken. In the end, I’d argue, that it doesn’t really matter. What matters is that the Russians appear to be mobilizing bots behind her, and that the Russian propaganda channel, RT, is amplifying her voice as she goes to war with the Democratic Party. [Gabbard just referred to the primary as being “rigged.”] Again, I don’t think her motivations matter. I do think, however, that we need to be aware that forces who want to see Trump stay in the White House will do whatever they can to see to it that the Democratic base is divided going into this election. As Clinton spokesperson Nick Merrill said yesterday about the Russians, “They know they can’t win without a third-party candidate. So I don’t know who it’s going to be, but I will guarantee you they will have a vigorous third-party challenge in the key states that they most needed.” And, putting aside what Clinton said, I think that’s a completely reasonable take on this. Whether or not it’s Gabbard, the autocrats who want to see Trump remain in power have everything to gain from running a Democratic Party challenger in states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, where Jill Stein did so much damage in 2016.

Oh, and here’s that video of Gabbard talking about how the Mueller Report had proven that Trump and the Russians hadn’t conspired to influence the outcome of the 2016 election.

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271 Comments

  1. Donald Trump weighs in
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Trump tweeted to defend Stein:

    “Crooked Hillary Clinton just called the respected environmentalist and Green Party candidate, Jill Stein, a “Russian Asset.” They need a Green Party more than ever after looking at the Democrats disastrous environmental program!”

  2. Lynne
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    It is hardly surprising that Trump would have fond feelings for Stein. She did help get him elected after all.

    All I know is that I like “no more fucks to give” HRC a LOT. She is right a lot

  3. Jean Henry
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    “She’s got a good energy, a good vibe. You feel like this is just a serious person,” Mr. Cernovich said. “She seems very Trumpian.”

    How does one even begin to understand people who think like this?

    Its important to remember that Russia’s goal is to upset our democracy by sowing division. They dont care who wins; they want us rendered politically paralyzed. I do not believe this is so thet can sow peace love and harmony throughout the land. I don’t even believe it is because the US wields too much influence over their interests. I think they want to restore the soviet empire to its former glory.

    No one should be surprised when US isolationists are pawns to that end.

    Being manipulated by Russia or just handy to them doesnt mean one’s political perspective has no legitimacy; indeed there has to be some core legitimacy. It just means one has to believe strongly that one is right- so strongly that appeal can be made to one’s righteous outrage.

    We are all but the most apolitical vulnerable lately. I dont think we spend nearly enough time thinking about how we can avoid being politically manipulated ourselves. It’s always easier to see others being made a fool than oneself.

  4. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    A True patriot would have stuck harder “Russia, Russia, Russia, now that we have a narrative we can’t let go”. I am highly disappointed that Mark is so unpatriotic that he let Trump off the hook so easily. He barely talks about Trump-Russia anymore. Mark is soft on Trump Russia collusion now it is almost like Mark is working for the people who are working for the Russians. Very unpatriotic.

    On the other hand, Mark’s “does it really matter if Tulsi is a Russia asset” stance , after his fave called her a Russian asset, is very open minded of him. He earns 10 patriot points for supporting those people who are brave enough to call a current major in the military. a combat veteran, and a current congresswoman of color, a “Russian asset”. Great work Mark!

  5. Sad
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    This whole thing is just an attempt by Clinton and Gabbard to draw attention away from Mayor Pete.

    I can’t believe you all got sucked into this drama.

  6. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, One of the few who would break with Trump, “The thing we know for sure is that Hillary Clinton is a Donald Trump asset,” Amash, a vocal Trump critic, tweeted late Friday. “Hillary does — and did — drive many people into the arms of Donald Trump. Her attack on Tulsi does likewise.”

    Democrats are so stupid. It has nothing to do with beating Trump and everything to make sure the forever wars go on—so much for any domestic agenda, so much for confronting climate change. Don’t worry be happy.

  7. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, the reason for the smears and the need to stop her.

    https://occupypeace.com/rep-tulsi-gabbard-reveals-the-us-armed-terrorists-in-syria-and-no-one-disputes-her/?fbclid=IwAR0kEeWIm9j-qe4iDQQPAdX06QuSyw8SuxnFj1nSwwhGtvIFMOr1RvisHyk

  8. Oliva
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    “When the evidence first came out about Trump withholding foreign aid in exchange for the initiation of a fake investigation against Joe Biden, Gabbard had said that impeachment was too ‘divisive’ to put the country through.”

    This “thinking” by people on the right is awful enough—given that the scandal directly impacts the chances for a fair(er) election. But distressing from someone who purports to be a progressive. Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee and journalists have provided ample evidence that Sanders and Stein got played—and so we all did—in the last election. Stein seems reckless, irresponsible, and not very bright. Sanders lately seems to have reckoned a bit with reality—was a comfort to see his show of humility at the debate following his ordeal. (May it last.) But we’re vulnerable as hell in part because prideful candidates who won’t acknowledge they’re at great risk of being used for sinister purposes are unable to inform and warn their supporters that it might be so.

  9. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Hillary knows Gabbard is considering a third party run so when that occurs she can be like “See, I was right! The Russians were grooming her for a third party run.” Problem for Hillary is there will be no evidence just like there is no evidence about Trump conspiring with Russia. The other problem is now Gabbard has all the license she needs to defend against the Hilldebeast’s lies.

  10. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    “And, while I’m not exactly what you’d call a hawk, I don’t think that we should just disengage from the rest of the world, leaving tyrants to do as they wish in places like Syria, where a relatively small American force of 2,000 was keeping a lot of bad things from happening.”—Mark

    I hope I am speaking for everyone in the MM.com community when I say: I am so proud to hear that Mark “not a war hawk” Maynard has decided to do the brave thing. The selfless thing. The right thing. We will miss you but we respect your decision to “engage the world” protecting us from the tyrants of by joining the armed forces! You have it all figured out now. Thank you!

    Thank you NYT! Thank you CNN! Thank you MSNBC! He wouldn’t have been able to do it without you guys. Go get em tiger!

    Peace!

  11. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Don’t know if this was put together by russian bots, but I found it quit informative.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN2Ztn0id3E

  12. Rat
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Video of Tulsi Gabbard with her father equating marriage equality to marrying your dog.

    https://twitter.com/dilemmv/status/1185573525085708293?s=20

  13. Jean Henry
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Holy shit. That’s beyond awful. ^^

  14. Jean Henry
    Posted October 19, 2019 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    SAD will like this
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/18/opinion/old-age-president-2020.html

  15. Lynne
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 1:42 am | Permalink

    Interesting that there dont seem to be any Buttigieg Bros.

  16. Jean Henry
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    True, Lynne.

  17. Jean Henry
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3gIYgSa4qw

  18. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Aloha, What ever you do, don’t let facts get in the way of your biases.

    Tulsi is anti LGBTQ and Hillary is who we should look up to?

    Tulsi came out for gay marriage in 2012 before Obama or Hillary Clinton and signed a 2013 amicus brief supporting Edith Windsor’s challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act. DOMA was a Bill Clinton law that was against gay marriage and Tulsi was a part of the challenge against it.

    https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=f4a6eb02-edf8-4385-9de1-94227d15a57e&fbclid=IwAR0R6ZaNZgRQEhWn_cYPhXwhINyexHQ0tg0zUzrrP9ubOlUMDq-TOTGegI0

  19. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Surely they already knew this about Gabbard vs. Hillary. I just don’t understand why they pretend like certain facts don’t exist.

  20. Bill Browser by proxy
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Tulsi Gabbard say that she doesn’t control the Russian bots that support her, but she did control the hiring of Chris Cooper, the smear campaigner who was paid by Natalia Veselnitskaya and her Russian backed sponsors to smear me and try to repeal the Magnitsky Act in DC

  21. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    The truly interesting to see, will be, what kind of smears the Lynnes of the word come up with, against Pete and his supporters, if they begin to perceive him as a threat to what they want.

    Hey, I have said nice things about Pete and I am an obvious sexist and racist. Maybe you can someday use those facts against Pete?

  22. iRobert
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Tulsi didn’t have a good advisor to prepare her for this inevitable moment. She responded absolutely the wrong way. Her campaign is going to go nowhere now.

    Hillary was right to bring up the rigging-by-third-party danger that is looming. However, she knows Tulsi wouldn’t not be that third party candidate. She only chose to single Tulsi out for purposes of winning points with the right interests. It was a savvy move.

    A third-party spoiler would be a much more recognizable name than Tulsi Gabbard.

  23. iRobert
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Tulsi blew it in her response. She apparently has no seasoned strategists advising her.

    If Tulsi were being actively assisted by any powerful and savvy players, such as are the Russians, she would be doing far better in the polls. She’s be at least up in the double digits in support among Democrats. The attention Tulsi is getting is not strategically designed at all. It’s not helping her much at all.

  24. iRobert
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Hillary is either considering another run, or she’s been assigned an important point-person role in the 2020 strategy. She has a high profile and everything she says gets disseminated far and wide. There’s great value to that.

    But don’t kid yourself that Hillary actually thinks the Russians are putting any hopes in Tulsi. Also don’t kid yourself that Hillary is worried about Tulsi actually making a third-party run.

    Hillary is giving a very public nod to all those interests that don’t want anyone out there saying the stuff Tulsi does. Nobody is actually worried about Tulsi.

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Hillary is free and can say and do what she wants now.

    Tulsi wants to run against Hillary. No. She wants to position herself as not Hillary. And the Hillary of whom she speaks is not HRC, she’s a mythological demon spirit invented by the right, propagated by Putin & co to the left, and replicated by candidates trying to broaden and energize their support by drumming up so good old fashioned political outrage.

    Everytime you all resurrect HRC as some kind if she-demon scapegoat you help Re-elect Donald Trump. This primary needs to be about policy plans that serve everyday American voters of all stripes. The rest diverts from important work.

  26. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    iRobert,

    I think it is obvious you know a lot more about this campaign strategy stuff than I do. So I will just give you my anectodotal impressions: Last night I was around people that are independents and who don’t really know much about Tulsi and they were literally high fiving eachother as we read Tulsi’s response together. They loved it!

    Even CNN seems to be rejecting what Hillary is saying. People seem to be seeing through Hillary’s smear. It puts a huge cloud over the candidates who will not call out Hillary on her smear attempt without evidence.

    Just my impressions…

    You don’t want people in the debates challenging Tulsi on her statement that we armed people.

  27. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Oops. Ignore the last sentence. That was part of a different comment I was going to write.

  28. Jean Henry
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    IRobert– the intelligence reports on 2016 made clear that the Russian objective was to divide the country and disrupt democratic elections, not elect Trump. They, like most of us, didn’t think that was possible. They pushed support for Trump because he is a divisive figure. Thats why they would be attracted to a candidate like Tulsi. Bannon has bern clear about his disruptive intentions with Breitbart which also loves Tulsi. She has not been blocked from winning. She has no chance to. She learned her populist lessons from Bernie that. Running against democratic institutions is effective politically and you can blame them for your electoral failures and the insufficient popularity of your message.

  29. Jean Henry
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    IRobert– intelligence reports showed the intebtion of Russian meddling was not to elect Trump (which they fidnt think was possible) but to promote him in order to divide out country and destabilize our democracy. He’s a divisive figure so they promoted him as they did Sanders and white Supremacy and Black Lives Matter. That also make Tulsi useful to them. Which is not the same as saying they want her to win. Thry want to divide us and fuck us up so we cant make the needed policy shifts to have a functional government that the citizens trust.

    She’s perfect for that purpose. She is unelectable.howecer.

    Blaming her unelectability on the DNC or the press serves Putin well and her base will love it– just like Bernie’s did.

  30. Posted October 20, 2019 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    I’ve said what I have to say about Gabbard. I would like to add, however, that anyone on the left who decides to run as a third party candidate in 202o isn’t really on the left. If Gabbard, or anyone else in the Democratic field, decides to run as a third party candidate, they are doing it for one reason — to aid the campaign of Donald Trump.

  31. Jean Henry
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    None of that means some people of good faith don’t support her because she represents their political will. It’s just really few. And she is doing nothing to prevent herself and them from being used as tools for Putin and the expansion of his global empire and power. Much less the nationalist isolationist far right.

  32. Jean Henry
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Sorry for double comment. I thought it was lost. At least im consistent in intent.

  33. iRobert
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    There are a lot of people that are just hostile toward Hillary. It’s been like that for a long time, but 2016 really grew that situation dramatically. So I’m assuming she is taking a lighting rod role for the 2020 campaign. If the Dems are properly strategizing, that’s the sort of role Hillary has volunteered to play.

  34. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Such self control Mark. Now is not the time for a bunch of writing and reading a bunch of words. That time has passed. Now is the time to get yourself ready for bootcamp so you best defend the world against tyrants alongside American soldiers and alongside the occasional Russian asset commanding officer.

  35. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Wow. When I read Mark’s comment I have to say maybe iRobert knows exactly what he is talking about. It’s fucking crazy. I hope to god Mark is at least receiving a paycheck to say this stuff.

  36. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    You guys don’t think Amash’s statement applies to you? That’s cute.

  37. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Aloha, some of the better reality based political commentary I have heard in a while

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRp7iEVZD6c

  38. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    When Mark volunteers to get shipped overseas maybe Mark could fight tyrants during the day and continue writing his blog at night? He could courageously publish articles defending the rich white politicians who label his commanding officers as “Russian assets“. We believe in you Mark! We need your unique blend of physicality, bravery, fighting skills, writing skills, intellect, and moral conviction. You might be our hero?!

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    With Mark’s ability to spot lies 6000 miles away just imagine what his built-in-lie-o-meter is going detect on the ground with an assault rifle in one hand and his MacBook in the other!

  40. iRobert
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Mark: “I would like to add, however, that anyone on the left who decides to run as a third party candidate in 202o isn’t really on the left. If Gabbard, or anyone else in the Democratic field, decides to run as a third party candidate, they are doing it for one reason — to aid the campaign of Donald Trump.”

    Agreed (basically).

  41. iRobert
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Interesting stuff, DD.

  42. iRobert
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    I thought Tulsi gathered herself and made a better statement here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNjzBJWUyWI

  43. iRobert
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Mark, Jean,

    Did you see what Van Jones said about Clinton’s comments? Check it out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph_7hN_1fKM

  44. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    The flip side of Mark’s “the third party candidate is necessarily an agent of Trump” is that every MM out there who fails to “soldier up” and at least question corrupt Dems —is an agent for Trump. People are not as idiotic as Mark believes them to be.

    The reporter in that clip seemed to be trying to carry out a directive to put “the 3rd party candidate would be an agent for Trump narrative” into the spotlight.

    Keep defending Hillary though. Keep declaring blind allegiance to whatever ball of shit the Dems might choose to prop up. Because Trump?

  45. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Don’t bother watching the video DD posted. Aaron Mate has no credibility. He does not work for a credible news source like the NYT so he can’t be trusted. He was just one of a few journalists who was right about Russiagate every, fucking, step, of the way.

  46. iRobert
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    I disagree with Mark, so I guess that makes me a Russian asset as well.

  47. Bob
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    She is not worthy of the nomination but she isn’t wrong about Clinton. The Clinton family has done enough damage and need to go. But the Hillary ladies here are still hammering their Bernie Bro propaganda.

  48. Lynne
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    I disagree that the Clintons have to go. I dont want them to retire from the public sphere. Not Hillary and Chelsea anyways. I think they are inspiring women who have done far more good than harm.

    Really Bob? You are going to mansplain my lived experiences and those of MANY women I know to me? You do get that this is somewhat proving my point, right?

    IRobert, I have to admit that when I saw how Gabbard is using this to fund raise, I found myself wondering if Clinton was playing a lightning rod role. Heh. I am not sure the Dems are that organized though ;)

  49. charlie romeo
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles.

    Eugene V. Debs

  50. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, I’m still waiting for the resistance to direct to which Republican Senators could be switched to impeachment. I am also still waiting for the strategy that will win the 3 out of 4 states that will change who is president. For all the Hillary lovers out there. Face reality. Yes she won the general election by 3 million votes. Absent California she lost the remaining 49 by 1.5 million votes. Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida. These are the states that we need to turn.

  51. Sad
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Ha-ha-ha . She is really going all out!

    https://youtu.be/NJ9ofm5y-pQ

  52. Jean Henry
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Some information on Tulsi’s religious beliefs:
    https://medium.com/@lalitamann/an-insiders-perspective-on-tulsi-gabbard-and-her-guru-e2650f0d09

  53. Jean Henry
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Re Van Jones: He doesn’t;t mention that HRc was Secretary of State and may know things we don’t. She was right during the campaign about Trump being supported by Putin and doing his bidding. You don’t have to be on the payroll to be a Russian asset.

    She did Tulsi a service. And the US public. Everyone is much more on alert about Tulsi.

  54. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    “I disagree with Mark, so I guess that makes me a Russian asset as well.”

    I don’t know. According to my calculations that makes you a pediatrician.

  55. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 20, 2019 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Remember when smearing some one, do not let facts get in the way.

    “One can simply visit the numerous websites logging The Representative from Hawaii’s 2nd Congressional District Tulsi Gabbard’s congressional record to know she is a powerful force for progress — the corporatist Dems revile her for reminding them of what they are no longer: relevant to working Americans!
    Tulsi’s Ratings from Advocacy Organizations ( Progressive Groups have rated her high, Corporatist groups have rated her low):
    Human Rights Campaign: 100%
    Planned Parenthood Action Fund: 100%
    League of Conservation Voters: 94%
    NIAC Action: A American Civil Liberties Union: 88%
    The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws: B+
    United States Chamber of Commerce: 73%
    NumbersUSA: 17%
    The Club for Growth: 16%
    FreedomWorks: 16%
    Americans for Prosperity: 14%

    The USA Gov’t vetted Tulsi Gabbard not only for her membership to numerous Congressional Committees, but also for her access to the related classified materials:
    – House Committee on Armed Services MEMBER
    – Subcommittee on Intelligence and Emerging Threats and Capabilities MEMBER
    – Subcommittee on Readiness House Committee on Financial Services MEMBER
    – Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion MEMBER
    – Subcommittee on National Security, International Development, and Monetary Policy MEMBER “

  56. Sad
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 3:25 am | Permalink

    What’s all this I hear about Mayor Pete?

    Surging into number 1 in Iowa amongst debate watchers!

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/10/21/iowa-caucuses-pete-buttigieg-elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-top-poll/4025797002/

    Bye-bye Congress person Gabbard

  57. John Brown
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 5:31 am | Permalink

    Dolt, and I read once that Hitler liked puppies. Tulsi is over.

  58. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 5:45 am | Permalink

    DD suggests we are all lying about Tulsi and backs that up with some campaign materials about her endorsements, none of which contradict anything we have said?

    oh politics… No one is immune to the endless pivots and diversions and general bullshit.

  59. Anonymous
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    Rep. Gabbard when asked if she disavows the support she receives online from Russian state channels: “I don’t control them. I don’t control what anyone else says or does. All I can do is focus on the message that I am bringing to this campaign.”

  60. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 5:49 am | Permalink

    I read once that Trump assets love puppies and Hillary Clinton.

  61. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 5:52 am | Permalink

    Tulsi should stop Russian interference like Obama did. Come on!!!! Walk and chew gum at the same time congresswoman.

  62. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 5:55 am | Permalink

    “none of which contradict anything we have said?”

    Jean is looking for a direct and explicit contradiction like “nuh uh”.

  63. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    I am offering this article to everyone in our MM family. I hope this article helps make the transition easier for you guys as we witness our brave little hero do the right thing. Is it just me? More than ever I am regretting that Hillary is not our president. She could have sent Mark “not a war hawk” Maynard to all the right places for all the right reasons. Maybe next time?

    https://soapboxie.com/military/A-Parents-Guide-to-Surviving-Air-Force-Basic-Training-Air-Force-BMTS

  64. Sad
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Pete is already starting to work the battleground states.

    Soon he’ll be here in Michigan all the time.

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/pete-buttigieg-rally-philadelphia-pa-reading-terminal-market-first-stop-democratic-primary-20191021.html

  65. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Aloha JH, When are you going to stop beating your kid. You know it is wrong to beat your kid.

  66. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Aloha Sad, Love how Mayor Pete demonstrates his leadership with his unequivocal statements on ??? I love puppies?

  67. Sad
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Aloha DD

    He seemed pretty straightforward on this –

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/20/pete-buttigieg-hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard

    Or don’t you like that stance either?

  68. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Aloha Sad, Just read the article you posted. It says, “A more moderate Democrat in the crowd of candidates, he stresses the need to appeal to Trump voters.” I guess that might explain how he handled the South Bend police issue? Other than latent racism, what other things is he doing to appeal to Trump voters? (Not that I believe that for a moment, but you need to start prepping your guy for the DNC smears)—oh wait, he has signaled he is going to be their guy.

    Again how is he going to appeal to Trump voters?

  69. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    Aloha Sad, that is what I meant about his leadership qualities. That was totally unequivocal and demonstrates his mental and moral fortitude. I’m sure folks will follow him into the breach.

  70. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    SAD– I wonder if Mayor Pete’s surge has anything to do with Mark Zuckerberg supporting him…
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-21/zuckerberg-offered-advice-in-hiring-to-buttigieg-in-rare-move

  71. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Hillary’s statements were pretty ugly, but the concern regarding a dummy third party candidate being promoted is very real, and almost certain to happen. The only question will be how potent of a spoiler will be ‘encouraged’ into the race.

    Putin will certainly be looking to boost any center-to-left third party candidate to get in the race, and may attempt to influence one to do so. That influence would be done through domestic channels which would not know they were receiving Putin promotion. I’m not at all confident our intelligence agencies will do anything to block such interference.

    RT and Fox “News” are giving Tulsi airtime because they like any spoiler in the Democratic field. That doesn’t mean she is to be the spoiler. She’s a genuine patriot and would not do anything to sabotage her own values. It’s pretty offensive to suggest she would.

    A spoiler from the right may get in as well, as Perot did in ‘92 and ‘96. I’m sure lots of individuals are currently being ‘warned’ to stay out, and in no in certain terms.

  72. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    “Aloha JH, When are you going to stop beating your kid. You know it is wrong to beat your kid.”
    Huh? What am I supposed to read into this? Is it some kind of metaphor? I support all courses of action that reduce human suffering. Tell me how Trump’s withdrawal did that please?

  73. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Aloha JH, you said, “… we are all lying about Tulsi and backs that up with some campaign materials about her endorsements, none of which contradict anything we have said?”

    Obviously you are a child abuser. No denial, just attempts by you to dissemble. Absent an unequivocal statement that you have stopped beating your child, what are we to think?

  74. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    It is far-fetched Jean regularly abuses children. In order to be a parent you need to go through a battery of background checks. It is more intense of a security clearance process than is required to land a spot on a Subcommittee on Intelligence and Emerging Threats and Capabilities, I’m sure. It is one thing for the DNC to let a Russian asset infiltrate it’s intelligence committees. It happens all the time, I’m sure. Jean on the other hand probably rarely abuses her children.

  75. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Ooops, DD. Shooting randomly into the air, you may have hit a pigeon.

  76. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    I see Sad is really happy now.

    I haven’t seen him this happy since that bus of senior citizens drove off a highway and cliff into a canyon.

  77. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Ya see, Jean, Sad hates old people.

  78. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Aloha, just wanted to share some one else’s thoughts.

    Victor Shiva
    Victor Shiva
    14 hours ago
    As a vet who never voted for or donated for a woman before, Tulsi is the best candidate of my lifetime. I know a lot of other vets who feel the same way…and would run through fire for her. I have seen old veterans wipe tears from their eyes when they hear her speak. Why? It takes incredible bravery to oppose the forever wars. She has both parties, the DNC, and every war mongering media outfit…NBC, CNN, NYTimes, Wash Post, and others, smearing her and doing everything they can to silence her. Amazing how brave this woman is, and what an extraordinary thing she is doing…going against the trillion dollar war machine, and our wars-for-profit foreign policy that General Eisenhower had warned us about. God bless you Tulsi, and hopefully protect you as well. You are a wise and brave warrior for peace. And there are many veterans like me who love you and will support you in any way we can. The perpetual wars must end.

    written last night after listening to her.

  79. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    So you all are assuming that to be an asset to Russia one must be an on the take, cultivated counter-intelligence spy?

    Fascinating.

    I guess, using that kind of logic then, if I’m a parent, it is likely that I’m beating my kids.

  80. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    There is documentation that Russian bots are posting on Tusli’s behalf, just as they did for Trump and Bernie and Stein.

    Tulsi’s political positions make here appealing to Russia as does her ‘spoiler’ potential in the Dom race if she runs third party. So she’s an asset to them clearly. That doesn’t mean she is working with them, but, like Trump, she’s not doing anything to piss them off.

    Same could be said of Buttigieg being bought by FB and Zuckerberg.

    You guys are so concerned about political corruption but seem to imagine that it only comes in the form of big dollar campaign contributions.

    That’s inane. And anti-historical.

  81. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Meh. Victor has a right to his opinions but he has never had the privilege to serve overseas alongside Mark “not a war hawk” Maynard so he has a distorted point of view.

  82. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    For the record I still agree with Jean that dictionaries and logic are for dummies.

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Jean and I are actually writing one of those yellow books together. The book is called “dictionaries and logic are for dummies, for dummies”.

  84. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Which candidates have yet to call Hillary’s comments into question? Has Harris? Has Warren?

    Mayor Pete has.

  85. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    In the interest of transparency I should admit I’ve been grooming Jean as an asset for years.

    She doesn’t know it, of course, and it’s better that she doesn’t.

  86. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    I’m watching The View on ABC. Whoopi isn’t just talking like George Washington. Now she’s even looking like him.

  87. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Aloha, we don’t count these as casualties of war—but our forever wars and repeated deployments—I guess we can do like all imperialist and staff our wars with mercenaries–after all the whole purpose of these wars is to make money.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/suicide-rate-active-duty-us-military-hits-5-year-high-2019-9?fbclid=IwAR3e7MTvGy5XO-ie81vZS_Npba6NwiuQGun4hpWj0cPsEYjfMQHP8yW-JKs

    Tulsi has the courage to confront the elephant in the room.

  88. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    I count them as casualties of war, DD.

    But I do not think the only reason war happens is because we will profit. We may have idiotically entered the gulf wars with that idea in mind but it clearly didn’t work out that way. What moneyed interests would be served by us staying there post Bush? (beside the Military industrial complex, because duh– but they make money even in peace lately.) If there were money to be made by the US in these areas of engagement, I’m pretty sure Trump would want us to stay in.

  89. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Do we have your permission to include “Groomed to be an asset by iRobert” in the co-author biography section of our book? She knows the valuelessness of dictionaries and logic as good as anybody but she seems to lack the bonafides a lot publishers are looking for.

  90. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    I said logic and dictionaries were unreliable not without value, FF.

    I know the concept of well-rounded and equally applied skepticism/critique is unfamiliar to you. Logic and dictionaries and FF can not bear ambiguity.

  91. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Yes, FF. You have my permission.

    I’d also like to pre-order a copy for myself. I see how freeing it is for Jean, and I’m envious.

  92. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Luckily we have iRobert watching the view and remarking on the appearance of an older Black woman as masculine, so we are all covered on multiple perspectives in his case.

  93. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Thank you, Jean. I needed that.

    My grooming of you as an asset seems to be going well.

  94. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Thanks iRobert.

    I know. Sometimes it doesn’t seem fair. Why does Jean get to bathe in so much ambiguity all the time? I guess she is just the chosen one?

  95. Sad
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    I don’t hate old people.

    I just don’t think they should be in charge.

    And it looks like they won’t be much longer.

    Mayor Pete is ascending! Everywhere he goes the crowds are turning out and being won over. It’s like Obama all over again.

    Luckily for Pete America hates women even more than they hate gays.

  96. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Aloha JH, ” What moneyed interests would be served by us staying there post Bush?” Jean you just now demonstrated your total ignorance of how the US wages occupations. There is a ton of money to be made supplying and providing for every base. You should actually listen to Tulsi talk about the contract workers who do all the non-fighting (though we do have plenty of mercenaries too) support work.

  97. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    I don’t know, Sad. They seem to like Warren quite a bit.

  98. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Thank you, DD. Jean seems to be under the impression that “we” aren’t the ones just stuck with the bill, while private corporations run off with the dough. I assumed everyone here understood that.

  99. Sad
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Luckily for Pete his views align with the real power in Washington.

    Nancy Pelosi. She also is skeptical of Warrens health care plan.

    Pelosi is smart. I heard her on the New Yorker. Wowsa!

  100. Sad
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Warren has around 20%.

    Good. But…..

    HW is a loser. He kept promising that this Ukraine stuff would take out Biden but it hasn’t.

    Shows what he knows.

  101. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. The jury is still out. I am waiting to hear the straight dope from Mark after he collects first hand intel during his overseas deployment.

  102. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know if it’s such a great idea for Mark to serve. What’s he going to do in combat? Bore the enemy to death?

  103. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Jean, George Washington seemed masculine to you?

    What was he like when you met him?

  104. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    I thought he looked kinda feminine in that wig…and hot!

  105. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Was Hillary drunk on that podcast. It just now occurred to me that it could be as simple as that. Thank you, Jean.

  106. charlie romeo
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    https://youtu.be/NJ9ofm5y-pQ

  107. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    I am imagining Mark’s combat will look something a lot more like the scene where Yoda fought Count Dooku, but with a lot less moral ambiguity.

  108. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    SAD– you still have not commented on the Zuckerberg Buttigieg bromance…

  109. Lynne
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Sad, I heard part of that Pelosi interview too! She *is* smart!!! Still, my favorite part was when she said she is a Deadhead. LOVE!!

  110. John Brown
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Zuck and Mayor Pete bromance is additional reason to break up Facebook and make it a public utility. Warren will do that.

    Over at Faux Newsless, Tulsi is getting the anti-Hillary red carpet treatment from Tucker “White Power Hour” Carlson. Wow they are all over her, like she’s mini agent orange.

  111. Sad
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Some people that worked at Facebook asked for intros to Buttigieg. Big deal.

    They were friends at Harvard. Who cares?

    Anyone who wants to spend their time as president breaking up companies instead of figuring out how to get them to pay taxes won’t get my vote.

    https://nypost.com/2019/10/21/mark-zuckerberg-recommended-hires-to-pete-buttigieg-campaign-report/

  112. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Jean uses the word “bromance” as code for her homophobia about Mayor Pete.

  113. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    nice, iRobert.

  114. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, wonder why Liz is not catching on with establishment Dems.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-arent-more-democrats-endorsing-warren/

  115. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    I was hoping you’d recognize yourself in that mirror, Jean.

  116. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    I would like to help with Mark’s war effort. I have some hasboro light sabers featuring SoundFX. I could donate them to Mark and maybe J Bro (and his ninja friend) could show Mark how to incorporate the sabres into Mark’s bootcamp training?

  117. Jean Henry
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    “They were friends at Harvard. Who cares?”

    SAD– that’s exactly how cronyism works– friends at Harvard. It matters.

    Mayor Pete should distance himself as Zuckerberg is running a pretty politically fucked up enterprise.

    Breaking up monopolies ensures competition and so better service to the citizenry at better prices. It’s even better for the companies. It’s a longstanding US political tradition to do this and is not in any way related to much less in opposition to taxing the companies. That’s a false parallel. They failed to manage the car companies in the 70’s. They squashed competition and so innovation. Japan stepped in and the car companies faltered as a result. Giant companies with sector monopolies are bad for the public and bad for the country.

    Pete’s a rube.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_antitrust_law

  118. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Oops, I forgot Mark has kids. Does the Maynard household already have Star Wars light sabres laying around? If the answer is “no” then may I ask: Why not?

  119. John Brown
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    But seriously catch the latest Tulsi ruskie stoogin’ going on over at Faux. Disgusting. Talk about a company that needs breaking up, and torching into oblivion…

    And equating “bromance” with homophobia is not a good take…. example; Mrs Brown isn’t crazy about my bromance with our new IT guy, which is based on me gleaning from his expertise with extreme long range shooting.

  120. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    I was doing a character, JB. I’m not the accomplished thespian you are, but I thought I hit my mark.

  121. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    JB, if Fox would just fully transition to the all-bimbo network they’ve been half-committed to for years, I’d say they’re worth rescuing. I just don’t know what purpose those weird male freaks on Fox serve.

  122. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, I know most of the folks here are pretty dismissive of climate change, but Mark has seemingly understood the importance and urgency of this challenge. Tulsi is the only one who will directly confront some of the most important contributing factors.

    http://theconversation.com/us-military-is-a-bigger-polluter-than-as-many-as-140-countries-shrinking-this-war-machine-is-a-must-119269?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=facebookbutton&fbclid=IwAR0DyosVTKNRW3aemRM-ksES7mE4QfOcAjx3qBbvAVMHD4HSEC5qaS2swE8

    By the way September was the hottest September on record. October is shaping up to being the hottest October on record. Today the entire Arctic region is 2.2 C above the 1979-2000 base line.

    Don’t worry be happy, incremental change is all we need.

  123. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    She isn’t crazy about a bromance based upon a third guy’s superior long range shooting ability? I wonder why? I wonder what she will think when she catches a glimpse of J Bro schooling Maynard on light sabre combat in the back yard?

  124. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, of course it is the huge carbon footprint of our overseas empire that makes it so profitable for the war profiteers. Profit before people and the planet. It is the American Way.

  125. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    It sounds like DD is feeling guilty for not driving a Honda Hybrid to offset the footprint created by sending other people’s kids overseas to fight tyranny.

    It’s ok DD. Doing the right thing is not for everyone.

  126. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Aloha FF, back when I was alive I felt guilty about many things. Now that I’m just a rotting corpse, I just feel bad about the carbon I am emitting through decomposition. The formaldehyde helps, but it also has a pretty big carbon footprint. I knew I should have put composting and ultimately conversion to bio-char in my will.

  127. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, I found this to be some what inspirational–I think it was Emma who said, If I can’t dance I don’t want to be part of the revolution.

    https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEastEye/videos/406924093327769/?v=406924093327769

  128. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure Mark will “compost” so many of our overseas enemies to democracy nobody will even notice you let us down with your burial-arrangements, DD. No worries!

  129. Sad
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Mayor Pete punching above his weight!

    Gabbard and Clinton exchanging low blows!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/21/buttigieg-punching-above-his-weight/

  130. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Sad, you really need to find a way to rephrase that–it sounds like Mayor Pete is a light weight, rather than the heavy hitter you want him to be.

  131. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, another reality based commentator, commenting

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/?fbclid=IwAR0dvx6X68QTwJw9X8WxThObndf3OQzJoO5LDHNSHhgMwNDOtO2-4BypUGE

  132. iRobert
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    What’s with this phony constitution? Why does everyone keep bringing up this bullshit piece of old paper?

  133. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Somebody at the Washington Post is trying to figure out how the Democrats are going to put together a winning coalition.

    “To begin with, 33 percent of voters say their vote in 2020 depends on whom the Democrats nominate. Of these, 61 percent are moderate and 54 percent identify as independent, while the rest are more inclined to identify as Democrats (21 percent vs. 15 percent) than Republicans. They are also younger, more likely to be Hispanic and more likely to have an education of high school or less. Thirty percent voted for Hillary Clinton, 18 percent voted for President Trump. We also know candidates’ position on issues is the most important factor (43 percent) as opposed to leadership experience or style.

    Depending on which states, these “it depends on who the Democrats pick” voters could be critical. Moderate candidates (e.g., former vice president Joe Biden, Sen. Amy Klobuchar) might appeal to these voters, but a younger candidate (South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg) might excite them. One thing we know: These are not the college-educated white, super-progressive Democrats attracted to Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).

    In addition, there is a whole lot of soft Republican support. Fifty percent say they approve of Trump’s performance but that Trump could lose their support. This is quite different than the portrait of an immovable GOP base that one hears about. By contrast, only 15 percent of Democrats say they disapprove of Trump but that he could win them over. Weak Trump supporters include many college-educated voters (Trump draws only 36 percent of these) and female voters. In short, the right Democratic candidate could peel off some, albeit not a lot, of Republican support.

    Finally, 54 percent put terrorism in their top three issues, including 51 percent of independents. While Democrats have chosen to focus on the international repercussions of the pullout of troops from Syria, freeing thousands of Islamic State fighters should be of major concern to a majority of voters.”

  134. Posted October 21, 2019 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Tonight, I’m watching the results come in from the Canadian elections.

    https://election.ctvnews.ca/

  135. Sad
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Justin Trudeau became prime minister without much experience.

    Mayor Pete never dressed in black face. That I know of.

  136. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 21, 2019 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, time for some putin puppet work (yes again). Who would have thought Rotarians and AA were useful idiots.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjNc8GMfMag&fbclid=IwAR0K7aCRBh4Nz0VCSm4S5kkIE2ZFyILCFs6THo22juHwUjssXdAyOZ-InSw

  137. Jean Henry
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 6:27 am | Permalink

    Is a foreign asset necessarily a foreign agent?
    Does every foreign asset know they are one?
    I suspect not.
    https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/1186597917760643073?s=20

  138. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    Good job pointing that out Jean and Mr Simon! This is an example of why we have no faith in dictionaries. Bernie has had access to dictionaries for decades and yet he still misspells the word “agent”. It’s not spelled a-s-s-e-t, Bernie. It is spelled a-g-e-n-t. Bernie confuses the meaning of words and misspells them too. SMH.

  139. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    As of now Pete, Yang, Bernie, and Williamson have defended Tulsi. Apparently Kamala, Warren, and Biden have still not questioned Hillary on her accusation.

  140. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Aloha, I never thought about the potential of being a lawn ornament, but

    https://bunnyears.com/real-corpses-halloween-decoration/?fbclid=IwAR3ZF1S4eFxBYJsxbWdu5Y2xkCVmaEIcuRx5lOU_SfDhnqvRb6pc7wiRzX4

  141. Jean Henry
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    FF– That is in fact a perfect example of why we should not put ALL faith in dictionary definitions. Or the definitions of people with a string ideological bent. Anyone at any time should be prepared to defend their political point of view and adjust it as corrected or, better, balanced.

  142. Jean Henry
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    DD– you internet links explain a lot but your political point of view.

  143. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Aloha JH, Being dead, all I can do is look up. I love how non-ideological you are while you cheer lead for every neo-con war and neo-liberal economic policy while living in your white suburban bubble. Must be nice to be able to go through life without worrying about the effects of one’s believes on the rest of the world.

    This guy here is still alive I think

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2019/10/21/by-calling-out-democrats-tulsi-gabbard-has-altered-the-political-landscape/?fbclid=IwAR0QQd6cPZAiJaICqsV6IF7nbxSUMSeWiif5_gJh6vTY2Vbk-5hS2acVY2s

    I wonder which “internet links” you think explain my political point of view?

  144. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    DD’s real bones as eco-friendly Halloween lawn ornaments would make DD a real asset to many people in our community. I’m sure there are some agents from burial-regulatory agencies which might oppose the idea, however. I find it spooky that our local community might find DD’s lawn bones an asset, whereas some government agents might see lawn bones as a practice that has the potential to hurt our community. It’s almost like there is a disagreement on the value that ought to be placed on spook-iness.

    #plasticbones
    #dicktionaries
    #bonerbones
    #wellgroomedskeletons
    #spooksupport

  145. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Aloha JH, and everyone else who goes on country roads–this is harvest season. My cousin just posted this,

    Last night I was in the kitchen and I looked up and saw the boys headed home from the field. I was excited because for once this week Jarett was going to be home early enough to actually eat supper with us. After a few minutes, I wasn’t hearing the tractor pulling in, so I looked back at the highway. He wasn’t moving. I kept watching thinking maybe he just hasn’t had a chance to turn, but he wasn’t. Traffic was piling up on both sides, then I heard the siren. My heart dropped. I knew it was for them.

    A car didn’t stop or slow down and ran into the cart. To make matters worse, Eli was in the tractor, too. Both Jarett and Eli are ok. The driver is somehow doing well, too. He was incredibly lucky with where he hit the cart and flew off.

    I am begging people to slow down for farm equipment. I realize they move slow. I realize you’re in a hurry. But those boys in that tractor are my whole world. It could have been so much worse. All the what if’s keep playing through my head of what could have happened if a car or semi was behind them, or coming the other direction. It’s terrifying. Eli was crying last night, scared, trying to piece together in his 4 year old mind what just happened to him.

    All I ask is to slow down. Get off your phones. Look up. And watch out for my boys, and all the other farmers out there. They want to come home safe to the family that loves them.

    *****************************************************

    I would like to clarify a few things. This post has blown up beyond anything I ever thought. And I’m so thankful to everyone who shared it and their kind words. But there have been people commenting some things, and I have a few thoughts.

    1- it was not dark when this accident happened. They still had lights on and flashers. They are always on when we move equipment. Whether it’s 9 am or midnight. We want you to see us. This picture was taken well after they got hit.

    2- it is not illegal to move farm equipment in the dark. It should not be illegal ever. Farmers work when farmers need to work. Period. The window to get the crop out is small.

    3- it is not illegal for farm equipment to be on a highway. The majority of our fields are right off of the highway. We don’t have a choice but to be there. Believe me, if we didn’t have to be there, we wouldn’t be. Instead of telling us we can’t be there, can’t you just slow down and not cause an accident?

    4- regardless that it’s farm equipment, cars still need to follow laws regarding passing. You cannot legally pass in a no passing zone. Please come up on them slow, wait until it’s legal and clear, then go. We move over as far as we can. We try to get out of your way as fast as we can.

    5- our machinery has a camera on the back. Not everyone does, but we do. We can see you. We know you’re there. We are going as fast as we can. Sometimes, we have to swing wide to turn. So don’t just blow around us, you could t-bone us.

    6- we have blinkers people!!!! Pay attention to the blinking lights. We are tying to communicate with you what we are doing! Open your eyes and give us the chance!

    7- oversize does not matter with farm equipment. They have to move from field to field to feed you, just smile and wave. Sometimes we simply can’t pull over far enough for you to go around. We try as much as we can, but the ditch can be too steep or there are signs in the way. We are going as fast as we can. And if we can get over, we will.

    8- last. And most important. Please don’t criticize me for having our son in the tractor. I will go ahead and assume, if you’re criticizing me, you don’t understand how family farms function. I spent my childhood in a buddy seat. My husband spent his childhood in a buddy seat. My kids want to be in the field more then they want to be in the house. The kids in those buddy seats are the next generation learning how to feed you. I won’t tell you how to parent your children, please don’t tell me how to parent mine.

    Thanks for sharing everyone. I hope it makes some people stop and think. Remember, as much as you don’t want us to be slow in front of you, we don’t want to be there that much more. Give us a second, take a breath. We’ll be out of your way in a short time.

  146. Sad
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Very Midwest.

    It would be nice to have a president from the mid west.

    Just sayin.

    Ps- I was reading about congressperson Gabbards upbringing. Wild

  147. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    No tears for Jarrett and Eli. Their mom sounds like a conspiracy theorist on par with HW.

    If they don’t like farming they should join the military to fight tyrants for wealthy white people like Mark “not a war hawk” Maynard.

  148. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    John Galt,

    Please let me know if I am stepping into your turf, ok?

  149. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Aloha Sad, she is from the wild west.
    For anyone who is interested in knowing how our good buddies HRC, and Obama initiated the regime change war in Syria, and how utilizing jihadi head choppers was part of the strategy from the beginning.

    https://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012-defense-intelligence-agency-document-west-will-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/?fbclid=IwAR2l6uI2C8vBGtVUit34lAH4qKEpEdniyyw-WHQwYC9d3ZzzDyb6YXswkco

    but remember if you don’t like the messenger, don’t believe it, fairy tells and comfort food are so much better than reality.

  150. iRobert
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Don’t mind Jean, DD. I’m grooming her as an asset. I’ve got a lot of work to do yet.

  151. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    It’s funny to think of Baynard with hoarse and shaky voice bawling:

    “If you didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton then FUCK YOU!”

    Tulsi Gabbard beating some more of that ass.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=67&v=cGBbaYeEUik

  152. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 22, 2019 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, To the Resistance—
    The impeachment process now has a witness, Taylor. I don’t know who this Morrison guy is from the NSC. Presumably they will take down Sondland, (he seems like he married money- will Pelosie cite him for perjury?) but I still need to know what Republican Senators we should be pressuring.

  153. Jean Henry
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 5:40 am | Permalink

    https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-being-used-russians-former-us-double-agent-evidence-clear-opinion-1466750
    ” Russian support of Gabbard does not mean that she is a Russian-directed operative, or that she has ties with or is in contact with Moscow. As I learned during my operational time working against Russian intelligence, the targeting of U.S. persons for recruitment by a foreign intelligence service does not make that person guilty of a crime. The same holds true if Russia seeks to independently aid the Gabbard campaign. Russia may choose to covertly amplify her message by building what may look like organic and grass roots online support for her. They may take some of her talking points—such as, Assad “is not the enemy of the U.S.” or that the U.S. is in “a new nuclear arms race”—and work to increase their reach across social media.

    While the amplification of controversial viewpoints is a method by which Russia creates division and chaos in our political process, the solution is not to remove Gabbard, silence her, or stop the vigorous debate of far-ranging ideas. Rather, the solution is to recognize these threats and stop Russia from unnaturally amplifying any one message.”

  154. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    Thanks Jean. You are so open minded just like Mark!

    I just made a couple of calls to pass on this information . First, I called 911: I told them to not arrest Tulsi. Second, I called my priest: On Sunday he is going to explain to the congregation that we are all behaving like Russian assets when we pretend like Hillary was saying something controversial,

    We are

  155. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    We are all explicit. (Except Hillary and her supporters.)

  156. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    *complicit

  157. John Brown
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    Tulsi has failed to denounce and daylight the ruskie bots amplifying her on social media. That makes her complicit. She missed her chance to get out of the ruskie slime by putting out a press release disavowing it. Or show she consulted with the FBI, or something other than go on White Power Hour to drag Hillary.

    I said a while ago that you dont have to be in on the joke to be pootys bitch, but you better publicly reject that foreign or alt right help if its not who you are. Which is all the more worrying that Bernie defended her. I dont get that.

  158. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    There is evidence that Hillary used her media connections to promote Trump during the race. So Hillary boosted the signal of another supposed Russian asset— that guy who you think ought to be murdered, by hanging, from a citgo station.

    You are the dumb lyncher type, J Bro.

    Now is your chance to disavow so you can mitigate your real complicity.

  159. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    Speaking of bots. Is Hillary still basing her Russian bot intel on that cyber security firm, we have talked about before, named New Knowedge? You don’t remember us talking about them before? I don’t have a ton of faith in J Bro’s ability to pay attention.

  160. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    I wonder if our local-non-lyncher-logic-expert in detecting sexist statements could do us the favor and comment on the use of the terms “pussy” and “bitch” by J Bro? I don’t remember you ever giving evidence that backs up the repeated accusation that FF “says sexist things”. On the other hand, I don’t remember Lynne commenting on J Bro’s colorful use of words.

    It is strange. Maybe I just find it strange because Lynne is female?

  161. Anonymous
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1193770/Trump-news-US-President-NASA-news-female-astronauts-space-news-ISS

    Let me guess. FF thinks this is “fake news”.

  162. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    *strong outspoken female

  163. Jean Henry
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Feminism is not about language policing, FF. I know it serves you to imagine it is. I have no problem with either the words pussy or bitch in and of themselves. Sexism and bigotry is all about context. I know that’;s way to subtle for you to parse…

    (see what I did there? no probably not.)

  164. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    I really think Trump hates being corrected. He might have been flipping her off, actually.

    On the flip side, I don’t remember Lynne ever correcting me with evidence on anything. As I have said before, I am grateful that Lynne expresses her “argument”. Finding Lynne is like finding a treasure trove.

    Kismet

  165. Jean Henry
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    FWIW, I doubt Trump was intentionally flipping off the female astronauts; I think he is incredibly stupid and tactless and has no idea how these things resonate. No matter, a whole bunch of ‘mens’ rights’ Incels are cheering it and leftists are decrying. Between that and the lynching comment and all the arguing about fake news etc that will ensue, maybe no one will pay attention to the actual testimony given yesterday or the revelations about Rudi and his Ukranian and his ‘shadow foreign policy agenda.’

    To be clear, I don’t think Trump diverts intentionally. I don’t think he does much intentionally. I think his handlers have learned how to harness his impulsivity to their ends by, for instance., just handing him his phone when they need him to create a distraction.

    I also think his narcissism leads him to evade responsibility and pin anything thrown his way on his opponents. This makes for excellent media moments and many clicks, while the fate of the Kurds does not.

  166. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Involuntarily celibates are happy to believe Trump is flipping off the astronaut? This news story is moving fast! I just heard about it.

  167. Lynne
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Uh…what Jean said I guess about context. I use those words fwiw and yes context matters. For instance, I might mean one thing if I am talking about my roommate’s cat or my female dog and I might mean another thing if I were using those words to describe FF (which I am not)

  168. Jean Henry
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    FF– THERE’S THIS THING CALLED TWITTER.

  169. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    You are a godsend Lynne!

    I find it interesting that Lynne offered examples of shifting context which exclusively involve the identity of the speakers/ ones spoken too. I can’t help but wonder if their is some interesting truth behind your choice to express your stance that way…. Hmmmm.

  170. iRobert
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    I feel like Mark is neglecting us as of late. That hurts.

  171. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    He will re-join us in a few days. He is in Whitmore Lake this week attending a Jedi mind trick workshop. It’s called:

    “THE POWER OF CALMLY SPEAKING MISTRUTHS AS IF THEY ARE TRUE”

    I’ve heard he is one of Jean’s best students ever.

    After completing his training, I have faith, Mark will successfully pass by the weak minded storm troopers and deliver the bots, so that he can protect the interests of our Queen.

  172. iRobert
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Whitnore Lake is sort of the Dagobah of Washtenaw County. It’s true.

  173. iRobert
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    I’ve mastered the Lodi mind trick. But it only works in the Saline are and Southwest Ann Arbor. Also, a person has to have had a few drinks for it to work on them.

  174. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Not to change the subject but I was wondering if you would be able to recommend a local twitter incel community for me, iRobert? I feel strong urges to express my opinions about Trump insulting our space babes. It was the last straw for me personally. Just thought my thoughts, as a member of that sort of community, should be expressed, catalogued, and analyzed while it is still a hot button topic.

  175. iRobert
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    I’m not on Twitter and I consider all celibacy voluntary. So I can’t be much help.

  176. iRobert
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Crazy people can’t claim to be incel just because no sane person will have sex with them. They’re the ones who are refusing to have sex with their own kind…other crazy people.

    Also, there’s a loophole any crazy person can use to have sex with a more sane person…just don’t talk. If crazy people don’t talk, they get all kinds of action. It’s that crazy shit they say that blocks it from happening.

  177. iRobert
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    FF, if you find some incel communities in the area, please tell them about the seminars I’m hosting where I teach crazy fuckers how to shut the fuck up so they can get laid.

  178. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure your strategy works. I feel like I already ruined my chances with sad, who appreciates small amounts of words.

  179. Jean Henry
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Ok iRobert, you finally made me laugh. Kudos. Also, on point, so double bonus points!

    FF– you can find incense in various men’s rights groups on line. If you are a feminist and local online about your beliefs, you don’t have to go looking for them. They will come to you.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way

  180. Jean Henry
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Incels use the term for themselves. It’s a self-description not a term of derision. They have subreddits etc. I’m not casting aspersions on anyone’s loneliness. I try not to do that. This particular group is just really angry at and resentful of women– not just feminists, all women. They tend to talk about how unfair domestic violence and stalking prosecutions are. It’s really no surprise at all that they have a hard time attracting partners.

  181. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Kamala did not have anything to say about Hillary calling Tulsi a Russian asset and she gets laid a lot.

  182. iRobert
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    I’ve got a great reality game show I want to pitch to Fox now. I don’t want to reveal too many details, but I’m using the working title of “Incel Island.”

    I’m even thinking of having an actual “cock carousel” built.

  183. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 23, 2019 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261

    Key excerpt:

    Experts who track inauthentic social media accounts, however, have already found some extolling Gabbard’s positions since she declared.

    Within a few days of Gabbard announcing her presidential bid, DisInfo 2018, part of the cybersecurity firm New Knowledge, found that three of the top 15 URLs shared by the 800 social media accounts affiliated with known and suspected Russian propaganda operations directed at U.S. citizens were about Gabbard.

    Analysts at New Knowledge, the company the Senate Intelligence Committee used to track Russian activities in the 2016 election, told NBC News they’ve spotted “chatter” related to Gabbard in anonymous online message boards, including those known for fomenting right-wing troll campaigns. The chatter discussed Gabbard’s usefulness.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/alabama-senate-roy-jones-russia.html

    Key excerpt:

    One participant in the Alabama project, Jonathon Morgan, is the chief executive of New Knowledge, a small cyber security firm that wrote a scathing account of Russia’s social media operations in the 2016 election that was released this week by the Senate Intelligence Committee.

    An internal report on the Alabama effort, obtained by The New York Times, says explicitly that it “experimented with many of the tactics now understood to have influenced the 2016 elections.”

    The project’s operators created a Facebook page on which they posed as conservative Alabamians, using it to try to divide Republicans and even to endorse a write-in candidate to draw votes from Mr. Moore. It involved a scheme to link the Moore campaign to thousands of Russian accounts that suddenly began following the Republican candidate on Twitter, a development that drew national media attention.

    “We orchestrated an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet,” the report says.

  184. Posted November 10, 2019 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    From the Tulsi Gabbard campaign:

    “Recently on your show here some of you have accused me of being a traitor to my country, a Russian asset, a Trojan horse or a useful idiot, I think is the term that you used… I want to set the record straight, I am a patriot. A strong and intelligent woman of color and I have dedicated almost my entire adult life to protecting the safety, security and the freedom of all Americans in this country.” — Tulsi calls out The View hosts for their outrageous smears. Do you have her back? Watch Tulsi prove exactly why she has what it takes to win.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m5os-jOLrMU&feature=emb_title

  185. dogmatic dolt
    Posted November 11, 2019 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Aloha, Another bi-partisan victory yesterday for regime change. Don’t worry, be happy its all happening on another continent to poor brown folks far away.

  186. Posted November 11, 2019 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    From The Hill:

    Gabbard lawyers demand retraction of Clinton’s ‘defamation’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/469843-gabbard-lawyers-demand-retraction-of-clintons-defamation

  187. Posted November 20, 2019 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

  188. Jean Henry
    Posted November 20, 2019 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    populism is dangerous.

  189. dogmatic dolt
    Posted November 20, 2019 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, no one since Bush has been elected President who supported the Iraq war. Why does the Democratic Party v the people continue to support regime change wars? Why do corp. Dems wheel out the putin puppet, useful idiot charge ( every smear you can come up with to attack Tulsi) instead of debating the reality of our warmongering foreign policy?

  190. iRobert
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    If someone were so motivated, they could take clips of you out of context and do something similar with them, Mark.

    Tulsi should be mindful of how her comments will be used in edited form in attempts to damage the image of the Democratic Party. Still, she isn’t making anything up, and she’s genuinely upset at what she has been encountering in the process.

    If I were advising her, I’d suggest she tone it down and be very careful about giving the Republicans soundbite opportunities.

  191. Jean Henry
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    DD– I opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan all of them. As I’m sure did most of the people here, despite how you frame their positions. BUT once we made a disastrous mess of the place we were obligated to Clean it up. We failed miserably, but I listen intently to veterans (not running for president) and foreign policy specialists and especially lifelong non partisan diplomats about what we could and should be doing at any given time. Very few have recommended we abandon the Middle East for the sake of the people there. Your view DD is simplistic and dogmatic and not conducive to anyone’s well being anywhere. I find it both morally and ethically suspect and I’m surprised you don’t have more fond things to say about Trump with his isolationism, his border management and his tariff programs. He is an isolationist ;populist like Tulsi and it seems most Dems have finally figured out that fighting the failures of globalism with isolationism is a really bad idea.

    Are you planning to vote for Trump if the Dem candidate is a moderate?

  192. dogmatic dolt
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, just like Tulsi, I have repeatedly said “Blue no matter who” . Trump or any Republican will never get a vote (or ever have) from me.
    My question is why do people support politicians who support our bi-partisan regime change war policies. Your,, ” we were obligated to Clean it up” fails to understand our obligations under the Nuremberg standard for countries that engage in unprovoked wars of aggression.
    You constantly engage in liberal sophism. Wanting to re-frame my thoughts into straw dogs that you can knock down. Other than Gabbard and Sanders has any of the other candidates even questioned our policy of regime change. Warren supports our intervention in Venezuela, Buttigege was given a perfect opportunity to diverintiate himself , but like Harris, what ever the militarist want they get. How is that any different than Trump’s foreign policy?
    The invasion of Iraq was illegal under the Nuremberg standard, all the evil resulting from that illegal act is considered yet another war crime. You cannot atone for a crime by committing more crimes. The invasion of Libya is yet another criminal act, I don’t see any of the war mongering politicians advocating for our occupation of that country, but by your logic we should. Our current occupation of parts of Syria is illegal, again I don’t see you or anyone else saying we need to fight the Turks who have also illegally invaded Syria.
    If you are interested in the legal standards that the US with its allies created after WWII here is some original language. The UN has codified this in its various charters and resolutions which are allegedly under our constitution part of the laws of the US.
    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/09-30-46.asp

  193. Jean Henry
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    I understand the invasion of Iraq was illegal. I knew so at the time. Stop pretending that justified the rest of your bullshit.

  194. dogmatic dolt
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, Who are you going to vote for if Sanders, Yang or Gabbard gets the nomination?

  195. dogmatic dolt
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, as if your shit don’t stink. Thanks for your succinct and powerful arguments.

  196. Jean Henry
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    I would happily vote for Yang or Sanders– who has learned a few things since 2016. Luckily I won’t have to worry about Gabbard. I have held my nose while voting in every presidential general election except the last three. It’s something I accept because I understand how democracy works.

  197. Jean Henry
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    DD– Oh man, I wish. I don’t think I can wash my hands of US foreign policy failures. I don’t imagine there are easy answers. I try to be informed. The more I learn about foreign policy the more I see how complex and unwieldy it is. And necessary. Have you been following the uprisings in South America against socialists and conservative governments? Against people who cling to power, no matter their politics. People want representation and a voice. That is the path to greater equity and opportunity. I would like the US to live up to its own best idea of itself. We hold responsibility in global politics but not all the responsibility. Your dogmatism prevents any kind of reasoned discussion about complex matters. you assume that if people know the facts as you do, they would all come to the same conclusion or they are evil. It’s an absurdity. And a conversation ender.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/a-government-chased-from-its-capital-a-president-forced-into-exile-a-storm-of-protest-rages-in-south-america/2019/11/14/897f85ba-0651-11ea-9118-25d6bd37dfb1_story.html

  198. dogmatic dolt
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, have you been watching the millions of indigenous people mobilize in defense of Maduro and Moreles against the racist fascist coup regimes? Are you aware of the people of Chile who just forced its neo-liberal Government to announce reforms of its constitution? Maduro elected. Moreles elected. But I see once again all you can do is wheel out the CIA/Washington Post. Moreles left because he did not want to be killed by the coup plotters. I suspect your CIA news outlets did not tell you how the new coup President of Bolivia called the indigenous people satanic and need to be driven back into the mountains–by the way the indigenous folks of Bolivia make up over 2/3rds of the country. In the week he has been gone dozens and dozens of indigenous people have been murdered by the coup regime, many thousands have been arrested.
    “We hold responsibility”–the people throughout the rest of the world would like us to mind our own fucking business. What gives us the right?
    “people who cling to power, no matter their politics. ” sounds like our military congressional industrial complex to me.

  199. dogmatic dolt
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, I try to get my news from independent sources.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/14/oas-us-coup-bolivia-evo-morales/

  200. Jean Henry
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    DD– you are showing you ideological bent again. I have a friend from Chile and am following events closely. It’s amazing. Chile has higher income inequality than the US. I can’t get behind your defense of Maduro, I can not get behind. Sorry. He was not freely elected.

  201. Jean Henry
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    DD tha article I posted acknowledges the coup in Bolivia. Morales was inspiring but his last re-election was past his constitutional terms limits. He stayed too long in power. He should have found someone else to run instead. It’s a terrible situation there. Despite Morales claims of Us involvement, I’ve seen no proof. It would not surprise me, but I have yet to see proof. Whatever the cause of the coup, democracy needs to be restored and then respected in Bolivia.

  202. dogmatic dolt
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, the Bolivian Supreme Court ok’d Morales running for another term. Obviously the legitimate Government of Bolivia has no right to decide on Bolivian law.
    Here is another independent analysis demonstrating that fraud in the election was insignificant. The Center for Economic and Policy Research had issued a report on its study showing no significant fraud last week. If you want proof of US involvement you are going to have to go outside of your comfort zone. If you can read Spanish, there are numerous articles in Latin America about audio taps of the coup plotters working with Senators Cruz, Menendez and Rubio. Morales knew the coup was coming. The Generals and the head of the National Police were US trained and educated (both white guys by the way).
    Glad you have Chilean friends.
    This report was put together by a local guy at U of M.
    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wmebane/Bolivia2019.pdf
    Understand why you don’t want to “get behind” Maduro, but what gives us the right to engage in economic warfare against the country. Do you deny we are behind/supporters of that attempted coup, or the other ones against Chavez?

  203. dogmatic dolt
    Posted November 21, 2019 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, here is a pretty good place to see real time video of what is happening in Bolivia, Chile, Columbia as well as more in depth documentaries–the one on promoting homophobia in Africa looks interesting but I’ve not had time to watch.
    Just today the coup regime attacked what looked like a very peaceful funeral of some of the protesters that were killed in a massacre the other day.

    https://www.facebook.com/Redfishstream/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARCZuIgnhEaX-lU-QNXEAaoaqz1pYpVhUgISZhNVddWgH6-wsALYmGj7eDFUSm2Uur2a7DQgFsdymchw&hc_ref=ARS76WOx1O-SdFyq8MZjoSKCH56ZT-WuKtDuNJgzijLRXVgMeaxlB0Sl4jsJ30NGeP8&fref=nf&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDLnhVHQ7lbxRhTlhmXx92QW63OqDq19e4-M-eJu8N4M2MDi5qHVzcy8HDQkbU1WCBT4SLUHVUc44l7dKuD-V1ZP3WgowSTzY8-n8lt4fVutWSrcQjXP3YWAtqd1dnWn40RX_FTAkrXbKT063BxhFBg46Rb0CHeBP01T7mpEmfOX0PF8ANvA8xeWzQrCh15UCmRjksrPRFnxoVhzfF8PtS7MC1jecL23ZjrS6Nt4Yymw0oAODW7Ty7kDaDaez3hZWJQQ1AkHoSzI-WtQ2MDOw_ordr_hGIJTwZRj7JYDraF7vi-Hr1UNtghOjm4i66ozO6wtoQZ-mGC6xPVM0VmA15uvpjAaJ6RrrGf4WnnUlN_D86eODrB8Zc

  204. Posted December 3, 2019 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    The Trump campaign tweeted the following out today, when news broke that Kamala Harris had pulled out of the Democratic primary.

  205. iRobert
    Posted December 3, 2019 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    I assume the Trump campaign is trying to get Republicans to cross over and vote for Tulsi in the Democratic caucuses and primaries. It will be interesting to see how many do.

    I still prefer her over her current competition. But I’m hoping Sharrod Brown gets into the race.

  206. Sad
    Posted December 3, 2019 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Are you delusional?

  207. iRobert
    Posted December 4, 2019 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    I just agree more with Tulsi on foreign policy than I do with the other candidates. That doesn’t mean I think she has any chance of winning. I’m certain she doesn’t.

  208. iRobert
    Posted December 4, 2019 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    If Trump endorces Christmas, will you stop celebrating it, Mark?

  209. Lynne
    Posted December 4, 2019 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    I have been laughing at the Gabbard people who seem to think that SHE is the reason Harris is dropping out. I don’t see it.

  210. iRobert
    Posted December 5, 2019 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Agreed, Lynne. I’d say there were a few factors which worked to do Kamala in, and Tulsi wasn’t one of them.

    I do perceive the Gabbard campaign to be a bit naive. That’s why they are so shocked that politics is so ugly at its core, or the closer you get to its core.

  211. Posted January 13, 2020 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Tulsi’s new ad for New Hanpshire:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cSpXAajZ9Rg

  212. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Fifty million dollar lawsuit! I hope she gets all of it. What would the damage to Trump add up to for the exact same thing but far worse?

  213. Posted January 22, 2020 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    From The Hill:

    Gabbard suing Clinton for defamation over ‘Russian asset’ comments

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479320-gabbard-suing-clinton-for-defamation-over-russian-asset-comments

  214. Lynne
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Yeah, that seems like a desperate attempt to remain relevant. I am pretty sure she is going to lose that case, mostly because what Clinton said is 100% true. She is an asset to the Russians because many of her positions are in alignment with theirs, not because she is working for them.

  215. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    She said the Russians are grooming her to be the third party candidate. How can you never have any idea what you are talking about?

  216. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Lynne, I would love to hear how you interpret Hillary’s use of the word “groomed”in this context..Hillary said Tulsi and Jill Stein are both Russian assets and that Tulsi is being GROOMED to be a third party candidate.

    You must have interpreted it as a passive kind of grooming correct? And you must have evidence of that passive grooming correct? What is your evidence? I am not saying there is not evidence but I am curious what is your specific evidence for claiming what Hillary said is 100% true.

  217. Lynne
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    I expect it is related to her meeting with Bashar al-Assad, who is pretty well known to be a Russian ally. I also have found that often HRC will make weird claims and then later, they turn out to be totally true! She has had a lot of access to information that the rest of us don’t have.

    I don’t think HRC needs to prove that it is 100% true but only that a reasonable person might come to the same opinion given the facts. i.e. “being groomed” is an opinion. That Gabbard has met directly with Russian allies such as al-Assad is a fact.

  218. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    “I also have found that often HRC will make weird claims and then later, they turn out to be totally true!”

    Such as?

  219. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Lynne,

    I am not asking Hillary to prove anything. I am asking you to share your reasoning for your truth claim that what Hillary said is 100% true.

    Words are open to interpretation. I am willing to accept even the most far-fetched interpretation of “groomed” but if you want to back your statement up you need to a) share hour interpretation of “groomed” and b) provide evidence that Tulsi was groomed in that way.

    I don’t get it. Are saying cooperative grooming occurred at the Assad meeting? That is a strange position to take…WTF is your evidence of that if that is what you are saying?

  220. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    It sounds like you don’t know Hillary is 100% true in what she said, rather you have faith that what Hillary said is 100% true.

  221. Lynne
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    It is 100% true that her opinion is that Gabbard is being groomed. It is a reasonable opinion considering her meetings with Russian allies and her policy positions which benefit Russia. She never said Gabbard was being groomed willingly. It will be interesting to watch this case for sure.

    Things HRC said that turned out to be true.

    She warned us that he wouldn’t necessarily defend our allies

    She warned us that his tax plan was going to hurt most people

    She warned us that because Trump used undocumented labor he would go after immigrants instead of the businesses who employ them

    Things HRC said that turned out to be partially true:
    She said that half of Trump supporters are deplorable people but it is WAY more than half!

  222. iRobert
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Tulsi has a strong slander case. I guarantee she would not lose if it were to go to trial. I don’t think it will. I think Hillary will make a deal with Tulsi to drop the case. Tulsi will have to say she’s dropping the case for other reasons.

  223. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    “It is 100% true that her opinion is that Gabbard is being groomed.”

    It appears that Lynne is trying to slither away from her original statement that “what Clinton said is 100% true”, but still even with the slithering…No. False. Lynne is incorrect. In embarrassingly crazy fashion, Lynne, in the other thread , is telling HW he is not reasonable and in this thread Lynne is simultaneously, with a straight face, demonstrating the most basic fallacious reasoning. Lynne is obviously begging the question (fallacy). The answer to the legal question will hinge upon whether or not Clinton ACTUALLY is of the sincere opinion that Tulsi is an asset being groomed by the Russians or if Clinton is just smearing Tulsi’s name for political purposes.

    So, back to what I said, Lynne saying this particular thing is “100% true” has nothing to do with reality or evidence or reason it is just an expression of Lynne liking/trusting Hillary. If I am wrong then Lynne will provide her evidence to support her idea, that what Hillary said is 100% true? It’s basic.

  224. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    iRobert,

    Do you know if Tulsi’s case is limited to that one interview? Does it perhaps involve planting of smears in media, authored by others, as well? Just curious.

  225. iRobert
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know. I wish I were that in the loop. But you bring up an interesting point. I too suspect there has been other action taken to smear Tulsi, and it’s been fairly coordinated.

  226. iRobert
    Posted January 22, 2020 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    It would be very difficult to prove Hillary planted stories to smear Tulsi. That sort of thing would require some pretty hard evidence, and I assume Hillary knows better than to document anything like that. Tulsi probably has to limit her accusations to just what Hillary has said herself. Still, I think Tulsi has a good case. But these sorts of cases rarely go to court. Usually some offer is made one way or the other, and it’s agreed to quiet the conflict.

  227. Wobblie
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Aloha. Tulsi I believe quit rightly identifies the Clintonites as the rot that brought us to Trump. That part of the party has refused for 4 years to engage in any form of self-reflection. As I pointed out before there is a civil war in the Democratic Party. Clinton is counting on no candidate gaining sufficient delegates to win on first ballot, and super-delegates making her the “unity” candidate on the second ballot.
    Her recent attacks on Sanders and the Sanders campaign is part of that strategy. EW is a place holder just like Kamala was and was put up for making the sexist claim by the DNC regulars (read Clinton supporters) within her campaign.
    Tulsi is a professional soldier (Clinton calling her a traitor will be the center of the lawsuit-)the media concentrating on the “Grooming for 3 rd party run “ shows how out of touch they are.
    The only settlement Tulsi will accept will be the public apology for the slander. It has to do with honor not money.

  228. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    I will wait to judge Clinton after Lynne provides her evidence for her reasonable claim that “what Clinton said is 100% true”. I just have this feeling Lynne is not going to let us down again. She is going to deliver the goods for us this time.

  229. Lynne
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    No FF. You are, as usual, conflating facts and opinions. You just aren’t that bright. And frankly, your opinion of Clinton is irrelevant because you don’t matter. Judge her. Don’t judge her. It doesn’t matter.

    Now what matters though is how people are going to judge Gabbard for this. My hope is that Hawaiian voters will vote her out although not really counting on that. It would be awesome though.

  230. Lynne
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    No Wobblie. Guys like you brought the rot that is Trump. For all your talk about scapegoating you sure do a lot of it. I get it. You don’t want to take responsibility for throwing vulnerable people under the bus but I know better.

  231. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Lynne is a woman on the far left…of the Dunning-Kruger curve.

  232. Lynne
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Project much, HW? LOL

  233. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Lynne,

    I am not conflating fact and opinion—you are. You said: “What Clinton said is 100% true”. The veracity of your truth claim relies upon Clinton’s opinion matching up with the facts of reality. The veracity of your claim does not rest on it being 100% true that Clinton holds that opinion as you strangely tried to suggest. It is such a dumb and slimy thing to say, Lynne. It reminds of the time Cliff, from Cheers, went on jeopardy, didn’t know how to answer, and tried to give Alex the answer: “Who are people who have not been in my kitchen”. Deeply stupid or deeply dishonest. Take your pick.

    Note I am not even asking you to prove the veracity of your truth claim. I am asking you to give your evidence which supports your claim that Clinton’s OPINION matches up with the FACTS of reality.

    Your argumentation tactics are the same kind of tactics that are employed by young children.

  234. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Note: When I say your argumentation tactics are childish I am not even talking about all of the petty little put downs. I don’t care about that stuff. I am saying the “meat” of your arguments are similar to the type of arguments children TRY to employ. Usually we see these type of arguments when dishonest children are trying to slither out of responsibility for some mistake they may have made.

  235. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    “And frankly, your opinion of Clinton is irrelevant because you don’t matter. Judge her. Don’t judge her. It doesn’t matter.”

    There are a ton of little hints that Lynnes of the world only care about power without regard to Truth and Justice. They cloak themselves in the talk of “Social Justice” in their disguised quest to gain power over others. Identity politics and the logic of bigotry are the primary methods they employ.

    Although Lynne is not a truthful person she reveals the truth within her untruthful expressions. It is why I love Lynne. It is why Lynne’s voice matters.

  236. Lynne
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    FF. I am not going to engage you in this conversation. You are not going to change my opinion of HRC or of Tulsi Gabbard. I will let the courts sort it out. That is their job.

    You can keep talking if you wish. As far as I am concerned the more you talk the more my arguments are supported because you don’t have a clue about anything. I don’t care if you think I am a liar because that is just something you call people when you disagree with them. You have no credibility with me and haven’t for a long time. Your opinion of me just doesn’t matter and I have no worries about intelligent people thinking badly of me because of it.

  237. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Note: I did not call Lynne a liar just now. Being an “untruthful person“ is different than being a “liar”. I would hesitate calling an untruthful child a “liar”, although I might use the term “liar” to aid in trying to make the child become a more truthful person. Children usually have a sense of shame—which can be appealed to—giving the average child a distinct advantage over the Lynnes-of-the-world.

  238. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    That’s exactly correct, FF. It’s not only childish but unthinking. To me it is tragic. Reason and wisdom can save the world but there are people like this who are dead set against it who think the situation is reversed! I wish there was an independent analyst who was so accurate that both sides would agree to an in-depth analysis and grading of the arguments presented in the comments section of this blog. Maybe when it was done they would be kind enough to hold virtual hands with Lynne and talk her through what went wrong in a supportive manner.

  239. Frosted Flakes
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    It would be great if some of these people would use this opportunity they have been given. Until then they will just have to continue to serve their purpose.

    Several years ago, one of the commenters here told a story about how they were on a debate team in high school and that they were certain that they really won every single debate but officially they lost every debate because of male bias in the judging. (I forget who told the story. )

  240. wobblie
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Lynn, I am not scape goating anyone. It is an undeniable fact that Hillary lost the election the result of which was the election of Trump. Rather than engaging in reflection on what caused huge numbers of minority and working class voters to either sit out the election or vote for Trump in the 3 critical states she lost, she has variously blamed Jill Stein and Russia. Not once have I seen her engage in any self-critismism, like maybe I should have campaigned more in those states, like maybe I should have encouraged my supporters in those states to mobilize and get out the vote, like maybe I should have adopted policies that would energize voters–If you have seen Hillary engage in this self-reflection please point it out.

    Lynn you are so up to date you don’t even know that Tulis Gabbard is not running for Congress. She is a candidate for President and will continue to be that through the Democratic convention.

  241. Posted January 23, 2020 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    The case is Tulsi Gabbard and Tulsi Now, Inc. v. Hillary Rodham Clinton. A copy of the full complaint is available here:

    https://d3ba7j4nna908t.cloudfront.net/attachments/Tulsi-HRC_2020-01-22_Complaint_filed.pdf

    Tulsi says:

    In 2016, when I refused to endorse Hillary Clinton, they said that would be the end of my political career. They said, Hillary and her rich and powerful friends will “make sure you are destroyed.”

    It’s time to hold Hillary accountable for her lies. It’s going to take all of us coming together to take on her high-priced attorneys. Will you stand with me?

    LINK: Stand with Tulsi and sign your name.
    https://www.tulsi2020.com/landing/defend-tulsi?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=prom&utm_campaign=ivc-hrc-sign&utm_term=video-95-30&utm_content=lies-ivc-hrc-sign&fbclid=IwAR0vT8Auz1znjnelVUtfYtDxw9HuIpgTNt6kzihwJZ-Lv_VS8nx_6mFjV2o

  242. iRobert
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    FF: “Several years ago, one of the commenters here told a story about how they were on a debate team in high school and that they were certain that they really won every single debate but officially they lost every debate because of male bias in the judging. (I forget who told the story. )”

    I wonder who that was.

  243. Lynne
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie. I admit that I care very little about Gabbard so I don’t follow the news related to her. I only heard of this story because it involved Hillary Clinton.

    I think it is important to acknowledge that HRC actually did get the most votes. Our system is kind of messed up and my hope is that can be fixed.

  244. iRobert
    Posted January 23, 2020 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Not surprised to see privileged white Lynne cares very little about a strong woman of color.

  245. iRobert
    Posted January 27, 2020 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Sorry about that last comment, Lynne, but I have a lot of catching up to do. I thought you were black until just recently. I’m also channeling Jean these days. I’m very spiritual like that.

  246. iRobert
    Posted January 27, 2020 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    From the Tulsi campaign…

    “BREAKING: TWO new polls released today show Tulsi’s growing strength in New Hampshire, both counting as qualifying polls for the February debate.

    One of these polls was conducted by CNN. Yes, that’s correct; CNN’s OWN polling qualifies Tulsi for the debate in the same week as denying her a presidential town hall — showing Tulsi 1 point behind Amy Klobuchar, tied with Andrew Yang, and 3-5 points AHEAD of Tom Steyer and Deval Patrick who were both invited instead of Tulsi.”

  247. Wobblie
    Posted January 27, 2020 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Aloha iRobert, there is no profit in peace.

  248. Lynne
    Posted January 27, 2020 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Wobblie. uh that is very wrong. Peace is VERY good for most businesses.

  249. Wobblie
    Posted January 27, 2020 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Lynn, tell GE, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Honeywell, Bechtel, Westinghouse, Boeing, Halburton , ATT et al
    People used to call them war profiteers and speculators. Shit even that consulting company that Mayor Pete worked for made its big money on war profiteering. We have normalized this to such an extent that even smart people like you fail to recognize how much of our economy is consumed by the war economy. No bid contracts—-trillions of dollars being spent in totally unaccountable ways. This is how fortunes are made and why the wars and the preparations for them never cease.

  250. Posted January 27, 2020 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    I think that was kinda Lynne’s point, Wobblie. The war profiteers suck hundreds of billions from the economy…money that would be going into the profits of non-war-profiteering businesses.

  251. Posted January 27, 2020 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    The most prosperous years in American history for the largest portion of the population were the two decades or so after the end of World War II and before the war in Viet Nam became a giant drain on the domestic economy.

  252. Lynne
    Posted January 27, 2020 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Yes. That is partially what I mean. I also mean that it is telling that these war profiteers tend to make money on wars in foreign countries. [ Lets not forget either that it was Nader voters who got the younger Bush and his band of war profiteers elected. Just like Jill Stein voters helped get Trump elected.] Businesses in war-torn areas don’t thrive.

    The reason why the most prosperous years in American history were after WW2 was because we had a solid manufacturing economy that wasn’t decimated by the war. Once our former enemies Germany and Japan rebuilt their economies, we had more competition. Also, we had a tax structure during those years that helped keep major wealth inequality at bay.

  253. iRobert
    Posted January 27, 2020 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Lynne, are you suggesting US military escalation in Viet Nam was not a drain on the domestic economy?

  254. Posted January 31, 2020 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    From The Hill:

    CNN’s blatant and bizarre Tulsi Gabbard snub

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/480788-cnns-blatant-and-bizarre-tulsi-gabbard-snub

  255. iRobert
    Posted February 23, 2020 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Tulsi is at 0.1% in the Nevada results with 60% reporting. That’s pretty weak grooming by Russia. Tulsi doesn’t make much of an asset.

  256. iRobert
    Posted March 3, 2020 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Russian asset in grooming, Tulsi Gabbard, won a delegate in American Samoa. That should secure her a spot in the next debate. I wonder if she’ll be denied again.

  257. Jean Henry
    Posted March 3, 2020 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    She killed it in Somoa! Congrats. Is one delegate all that is required to get on the debate stage?

  258. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted March 3, 2020 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    “Tulsi is at 0.1% in the Nevada results with 60% reporting. That’s pretty weak grooming by Russia. Tulsi doesn’t make much of an asset.”

    She did say being groomed to be a third party candidate. That puts Tulsi in a bad spot if she legitimately wants to make an independent run that has nothing to do with Russia.

    I think the media could easily have made her into a superstar if that was their mission like with Barack. Obviously it was not.

  259. iRobert
    Posted March 4, 2020 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    The blackout on Tulsi is going to continue. War profiteers have veto power – so to speak – over all mainstream media. She has no reason to run. She wouldn’t get any press, and wouldn’t get any more than 1% of the vote in November.

  260. iRobert
    Posted March 4, 2020 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Tulsi might be offered Secretary of Veterans Affairs post. I think she’d do very well in that job. She could help Putin groom lots of assets there.

  261. iRobert
    Posted March 7, 2020 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Tulsi is still in the race, and is being completely ignored by CNN and friends. That seems perfectly normal to Mark and Jean. After all, that’s how you deal with a congressperson who’s being groomed as a Putin asset. It’s not just slander, like it looks.

  262. EOS
    Posted March 7, 2020 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    I voted for Tulsi on my absentee ballot. It was my last opportunity to let the leadership know I wasn’t happy about choosing either of the top two candidates. Hoping for a brokered convention.

  263. iRobert
    Posted March 7, 2020 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    “The establishment class has been erasing Tulsi’s candidacy since Day One. Calling into question the patriotism of the first female combat veteran to ever run for the President, a Major in the Army National Guard, a sitting member of Congress. Refusing to cover the second woman of color to ever pick up delegates since Shirley Chisholm. Ridiculing and ignoring the last woman, soldier and warrior for peace still left.“ – Caitlin Pomerantz (Tulsi 2020)

  264. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 7, 2020 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    I guess these war lovers are more racist and sexist then we thought.

  265. iRobert
    Posted March 19, 2020 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Tulsi is out of the race for president.

  266. Frosted Flakes
    Posted March 20, 2020 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    “I prefer my representatives not to be gay-hating Assad apologists who poll well among members of the far right like former KKK leader David Duke.“

    Bidens poll well with Tulsis.

    Composition fallacies comes home to roost.

  267. iRobert
    Posted March 20, 2020 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    “I’m suspending my presidential campaign and offering my full support to Vice President Joe Biden.”

    So Mark and Jean were wrong and slandered a woman of color, military service-member, and the only candidate who had the guts to tell the truth about the war mongers and profiteers.

  268. Jean Henry
    Posted March 20, 2020 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    How were we wrong?
    I still think she’s horrible. I don’t care that she supports Biden. I think it’s funny because her most avid supporters are just shitting themselves. How can Wobblie reconcile himself to this?

    If she’s a Russian asset, then she needs to remain relevant and in the mix, no?

    (just kidding)

  269. Jean Henry
    Posted March 20, 2020 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Most Tulsi supporters I know are never Bidens. Just FYI. One said he’d vote Trump and he’s as far left as they get.

  270. Jean Henry
    Posted March 20, 2020 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Just FYI– there is nothing about being a liberal that states that any person of color or woman requires our support simply due to skin color and gender or that some of them aren’t just assholes. I can be strongly for equal representation without having it dictate my vote. I have never voted for a woman candidate because of her gender or a POC because of their race…ever. If my ideology lined up with Tulsi’s and I rejected her, then maybe a case could be made. And I had other choices. I feel like she earned her reputation with her own comments and actions.

  271. iRobert
    Posted March 21, 2020 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    Tulsi has demonstrated all along that she isn’t what you and Mark slandered her as being. Her public endorsement proves your know-nothing slander to be completely false.

    Let’s be clear, it’s not a mystery as to why you both did. You both blindly took a cues from Hillary. That doesn’t absolve you of the responsibility for your slander.

    The point of bringing up her gender and ethnicity was to point out that even those traits don’t give you pause in your mindlessness. It’s unfortunate that obvious things have to be explained to you.

    By the way, my criticism is directed more at Mark than at you. I expect more of Mark. But everyone knows you’re a nut, so nobody really cares what you say from one moment to the next.

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