Donald Trump wants Congressman Adam Schiff investigated for treason

Just when you thought things couldn’t possibly get any more crazy…

Admittedly, I don’t know a lot about the inner workings of our nation’s big political parties, but it seems to me that when the President of the United States begins alluding to putting his perceived adversaries to death, his party should probably at least consider cutting ties, right? Or is conventional wisdom that it’s OK, up until they point when the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee is actually being led to the electric chair?

As for the whistleblower representing the President’s conversation in “a totally inaccurate and fraudulent way,” have you all read both the whistleblower’s complaint and the White House summary of the call in question? The two documents are nearly indistinguishable from one another. There is, quite literally, no room between them. I know the President’s supporters on the right are making a big deal of the fact that the whistleblower didn’t witness the crime himself, but he nailed every single fucking point, which pretty much proves to me that his half-dozen or so sources were solid.

And, as for Schiff, what did he do but call an investigation into a matter that a Trump appointee (the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community) found to be both “urgent” and “credible”a matter which Trump’s Director of National Intelligence said was worthy of investigation?

The whistleblower, by the way, is absolutely right to have entered protective custody. Donald Trump is going to get someone killed with his increasingly violent rhetoric… We are entering a very dangerous time in American history… Donald Trump will not leave the White House without a fight. He doesn’t care about preserving American institutions. He doesn’t care about civil war. He only cares about himself, and he will do whatever it takes in order to avoid prosecution. And American citizens are going to pay with their lives.

Shame on every Republican who has refused to speak up and do the right thing. May god take mercy on their souls.

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  1. Posted September 29, 2019 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

  2. John Brown
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 5:02 am | Permalink

    Who could have possibly seen this coming? The thing is all he really has is a collection of domestic terrorists. I wouldn’t dignify it as civil war when they’re just scum terrorist. The gop supports domestic terrorists, clear enough?

  3. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 5:31 am | Permalink

    “And, as for Schiff, what did he do but…”

    He lied. Why are so many people squirming around that fact like snakes?

  4. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    I just thought of a great reality show for Trump to do after he’s done making America great again. The show would be similar to The Apprentice except Trump would be trying to figure out which of his chosen participants were leaking information. Instead of telling people “You’re fired!” he could call them a traitor and they’d be led out to the parking lot and executed. This could be the greatest idea ever. It would be huge…so beautiful.

  5. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    Seems to lend weight to what I’ve been saying for years, huh? People like Liddle Adam are going to bite it for treason. I think misrepresenting the President is the least of Adam’s problems. This statement by the President is to get people used to the idea of someone like The Pencilneck being investigated for treason. How could it be that your perceived reality is aligning more and more with what you tripped out on me for telling you in the past?

  6. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    “And, as for Schiff, what did he do but call an investigation into a matter…”–Mark

    Schiff intentionally misrepresented what was in the transcripts to the American people. It is very snake-like to always slither around the truth.

  7. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Hopefully Schiff has learned his lesson and will refrain from attempting any more “parody” in this process. Congressional hearings are no place for an amateur to practice his comedy routine. That’s what comment sections on blogs like this one are for.

  8. Kit
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    “Schiff intentionally misrepresented what was in the transcripts to the American people.”

    Can someone please tell me what this refers to specifically? What did Schiff say that wasn’t true? I’m honestly not following the argument here.

    Please provide quotes.

  9. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 9:45 am | Permalink

  10. Ben Rhodes by proxy
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    As Republicans have (so far) shown no willingness to break from Trump, it’s worth considering how much worse things could get under Trump if he continues to have this kind of firewall of propaganda and defense from the right, no matter what he does.

    Consider the shifting of norms of the presidency from ’17 to ’19. Trump attacked his own State Dept and IC, turned the Justice Dept into his private law firm, used State and DoJ to go after his political opponents, and shifted US foreign policy to acting on behalf of dictators

    He has also stonewalled Congress, ignored laws they passed, threatened violence against his opponents (with real consequences), politicized the US military, and increasingly surrounded himself with compliant yes men.

    The “collusion” with a foreign power to undermine our democracy that was at issue in the Russia investigation is now out in the open for all to see in a call transcript with the President of Ukraine and the whistle blower complaint.

    To obstruct any investigation into that collusion, he sought to use the classification system of the U.S. government to hide his criminal behavior.

    We also know that calls with leaders like Putin and MBS – the two most likely other supporters of his reelection from abroad – were similarly hidden, hinting at the scale of corruption that we don’t know about.

    If this corrupt and criminal behavior is protected by a major American political party, we are in entirely new territory as a country, with unforeseen consequences that are likely all negative.


  11. Facebook Stalker
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    CNBC host: Trump has called for a civil war and charging Adam Schiff with treason as the impeachment investigation ramps up. Any comment on Trump’s rhetoric?

    Mitch McConnell: “What I want to do is spend our time accomplishing things for the American people.”

  12. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 10:34 am | Permalink


    Schiff claimed that Trump “essentially” said: “I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, lots of it.”

    Now compare Schiff’s claim to the actual transcript. Did Schiff misrepresent? Yes or no?

    Later Schiff said it was parody but and his misrepresentment (my words) was how Trump’s words were actually RECIEVED by the Ukraine president. However, the Ukraine president made a statement that he felt no pressure (“push”) from Trump. Despite what Ukraine president said Schiff pretends to know how the Ukrainian president RECIEVED the conversation from Trump.

    Is Schiff in a better position to know how words are RECIEVED by somebody else? Yes or no?

  13. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 10:36 am | Permalink


  14. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Why does Mark, Schiff and most everyone leave out the fact that Trump first connected the idea of “favor” with the idea that there might be some things that need to be investigated around “crowdstrike” in connection to campaign interference of 2016? Did you people not notice HW pointed out that there is a treaty to cooperate in investigations between USA and Ukraine?

    It is one thing to think what Trump did was wrong. It is another thing to refuse to incorporate facts in that judgment…Why are so many people so snake-like in their analysis? Why?

  15. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 10:58 am | Permalink


    The next thing you should ask yourself is how is possible that you did not know the answer to your own question?

  16. Demetrius
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Washington Post: Trump threatened ‘civil war.’ He’s cornered — and panicking about it.

    Greg Sargent – Opinion writer – September 30, 2019 at 10:12 a.m. EDT

    President Trump has now approvingly quoted a top supporter raising the prospect of “civil war.” He accused unnamed national security officials in his own government of “spying” on him. He just called for a top Democrat in Congress to be arrested for “treason.”

    And that was all in the last 24 hours.

    All of this has many observers warning that Trump is lurching in an increasingly authoritarian direction, as the Democrats’ impeachment inquiry ratchets up.

    But all of this is better seen as an expression of deep panic and self-incrimination — not just because the latest revelations have Trump on the defensive but also because of a meaningful shift in the power dynamics shaping the standoff between the White House and Democrats. …

  17. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Classic Fake John Brown. He sees the potential for extreme divisiveness which might actually turn into widespread violence (even war) as some kind of vindication of the highly irresponsible position he has taken for the last few years. He is trying to toot his own horn by asking a meant-to-be rhetorical question:

    “Who could have possibly seen this coming?”—Fake John Brown

    Answer: Gee, I don’t know, perhaps the people, exactly like you, who purposefully instigate civil war by pedaling lies, handed to them by sell outs, who want to nullify democratic processes, so they can get power back, without any regard for those processes or things like the truth. Do you know any irresponsible folks like that Fake John Brown?


  18. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, from my friend Fred, “The first congressman to endorse Trump is pleading guilty to insider trading. By their friends shall ye know them.”

    Chris Collins pleads guilty. Another corrupt politician, thought he could get away with flouting the laws I suspect.

  19. John Brown
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Fashy flake, sounds like your doing those mental gymnastics again! Just like when you convinced yourself voting for a rapist, racist, imbecilic ruskie stooge was a good idea. You could have seen it coming then, like rational people did, but chose not too. Now you choose to continue with your psychic investment in the lie instead of facing up to getting played, or worse that you actually share Agent Oranges unAmerican values. I hope you dont gamble in Vegas cause good money after bad never wins.

    “Its easier to fool FF than it is to convince him he’s been fooled.”- Mark Twain

  20. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    It actually does not require much agility to expose you FJB.

    You are trying to define the sides as “the terrorists” versus “the good and brave guys”.

    “they’re just scum terrorist”–fjb

    You are irresponsible and idiotic.

  21. Kit
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Alright. Thank you. I think I understand now. You’re not talking about the indisputable facts. You’re objecting to Schiff’s rhetorical approach, where he put himself into the headspace of Trump and simplified what happened by putting it into the vernacular of the mob boss. What was that, maybe 40 seconds out of an 8 hour hearing? I’ll agree that it wasn’t helpful, but it’s hardly something anyone would be executed over.

  22. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    It was the first few moments of the hearing when he was attempting to express the essence of what happened. He apologized not for saying trump asked for Ukrainian Prez to “makeup dirt”. He apologized for accusing Trump of asking 7 times for something Trump did not ask for even once. Do you see the trick there?

    Also, the lie and the mob boss characterization helped push forward the narrative that is being repeated today by many including Mark, etc… DD just talked about Giuliani being sent to dig up dirt? Where did that idea come from? A request to “make up dirt” on Biden is either in the transcript or isn’t. It isn’t. True or false?

  23. Jean Henry
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    FF — even you must see the politically convenient double standard you are applying to Schiff v Trump, right?

  24. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Aloha FF, I alluded to normal defense attorney practices. Since Rudi was being asked to meet with the Ukrainian President, and Rudi has no government role, it is logical to assume that Rudi was meeting as Trump’s personal defense attorney. Rudi now denies that he was being asked to act in any of this as an attorney–what was Rudi’s role? He is an employee of Trump’s. Not the President–I know you want to ignore all of the self-dealing by your Leader, just like EOS must ignore the amorality of his conduct.

    It was the interconnections between CREEP and the Administration that caused Nixon’s obstruction of justice involving Watergate to finally come out. This is what self-dealing is all about.

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    You don’t think you repeat narratives put forward by the right?


    Trump often sounds like a mob boss, true or false?

    Trump’s businesses have often been characterized by his own associates as operating like a crime syndicate, true or false?

    Trump is still under investigation by the Souther District of New York under RICO statutes normally applied to members of organized crime. true or false.

    Trump’s foundation was shut down for fraud and self dealing.
    Trump university was as well, True or False?

  26. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    What does a mob boss sound like? Deniro?

    Who cares if he sounds like an axe murderer? Show me the evidence that he murdered someone with an axe.

  27. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    The inevitable “terrible divisiveness” that Tulsi spoke of is not going to be avoided by arguing from a general and vague point of view that Trump is less than saintly. We need evidence honestly put on display. Schiff lying his way to impeachment ends in disaster. Highly irresponsible.

  28. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 5:49 pm | Permalink


    You would be surprised to hear how little info I get from right wing news sources especially when I first hear about a story. I usually try to look at primary sources first. For example in this case I first read Mark’s post about the whistle blower; I then read the transcript; I then watched the actual hearing and Schiff’s opening statements live; I then read the whistleblower complaint; I then read a few more Mark’s narrative building posts. Almost all of my criticism grew out of my initial reaction to primary sources without additional input from either side.

    I don’t think there is anything honest about the approach taken by most of the people here. I think Mark gets handed stories and he repeats them. I think the rest of you and average democrat clan are addicted to shallow Twitter propaganda. My evidence is that nobody here ever confronts anything of substance that does not fit their narrative.

  29. Lynne
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    FF is not credible here. Best to just ignore him.

  30. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    My guess is that Lynne thinks it is best to ignore a lot of things.

  31. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Well, hopefully the House can quickly do their thing and present the facts to the Senate which can immediately vote down the impeachment and the country can move on to the next crisis.

  32. Sad
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    The only kind of crisis that really gets people attention is a good old fashion financial crisis.

    I always thought Trump would get us in one of those.

    Not yet at least.

    I really appreciated Trump retweeting the civil war thing.

    Nice touch!

  33. iRobert
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    My guess is that Biden is damaged by this Hunter stuff. I expect Warren will be up on him in Iowa by at least ten points in the next poll we see there.

  34. Sad
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 7:21 pm | Permalink


  35. Jean Henry
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    FF then you should be writing GOP/FOX copy because your take and theirs are identical.

  36. Jean Henry
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    FF — you didn’t answer my questions.
    Please do so if you expect any response.

  37. Jean Henry
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    FF I pointed to evidence that his business closely resembles a crime syndicate. He also talks like a mobster. Have you never been in mob dominated neighborhoods in NY or NJ? They do actually talk like Deniro etc in the movies. Scorsese gets them right.

  38. Jean Henry
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Hey— Sebastian Gorka just boarded a plane for Europe with Mike Pompeo for foreign policy negotiations.
    Nothing disturbing about that at all.

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Jean pointed to evidence? You mean evidence beyond Scorsese characters? I must have missed it.

  40. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    I am not qualified to say anything about Trump University or Trump’s foundation. If you have something to share go for it. Maybe you should dial 911 and give your info to the cops.

    Above I called Schiff a liar and explained why. Several people challenged me on calling Schiff a liar so I asked them to compare Schiff’s misrepresentations to the actual transcript. Do you see the difference in my specific questions about a concrete verifiable fact that relates directly to the subject and your vague questions that require that I somehow have some magical insight on how vague things appear to other people? Trump OFTEN SEEMS LIKE a Gangster to SOME people? Why would you ask such pointless questions and then expect to get a response?

  41. Jean Henry
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    I provided this link yesterday. Do you not actually read the news? Both Trump University and the foundation were closed due to fraudulent practices.

  42. Jean Henry
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    FF– Simple question. Does Schiff’s lying mean he should be accused of Treason?

    Yes or No?


  43. Jean Henry
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 9:45 pm | Permalink


  44. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 30, 2019 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Schiff’s lying should not go unpunished. In isolation, Schiff’s most recent lies do not rise to treason, obviously. Trump was being irresponsible here. However, if it could be proved that Schiff has been aiding in the systematic attempts to undermine/ overthrow the government then that is pretty serious and requires severe punishment. Treason in US is narrowly defined…Remember when Schiff claimed he has seen evidence of collusion? Where is it? Was that a lie too? A lie toward what end?

  45. iRobert
    Posted October 1, 2019 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Why are we not referring to him as “Shifty” Adam Schiff? Trump must really be off his game.

  46. dogmatic dolt
    Posted October 1, 2019 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Joe Biden leads President Trump 54% to 35% in hypothetical presidential matchup in Michigan, per Target Insyght poll. 800 sample. Some cell phones used. 9/24-9/26.

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