I thought I loved Elizabeth Warren before…

…but, damn, her performance tonight is going to make me break out my credit card yet again and make another contribution.

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  1. Bob
    Posted July 30, 2019 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    She’s great but c’mon. She was just the first to ape Bernie’s lifelong platform and is the most authentic at repeating it. Every one of these candidate is some diluted version of Bernie.

  2. Anonymous
    Posted July 30, 2019 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    I’d argue that she’s different from Bernie in one big way – she’s actually accomplished things. #ConsumerFinancialProtectionBureau

  3. Demetrius
    Posted July 30, 2019 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    At this point, I think we are well-served by having Bernie, and Warren, and Mayor Pete all involved in his debate.

  4. Posted July 30, 2019 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    I agree that Bernie, Warren and Pete did the best, and my hope is that we soon get to the point where all of those running fit on one stage. With that said, however, I liked that a few of our more moderate Democratic candidates were on the stage tonight, raising questions about the progressive policies being championed by those further to the left. It’s a good conversation to have, I think, and I enjoyed watching them mix it up.

    While I’m not in total agreement with Warren on certain things, like her call to get rid of private insurance in one fell swoop, I respect her conviction, and he willingness to stand up and say what she believes, even when it’s not something that most American’s are supportive of. And I think she did admirably tonight, articulating her positions.

  5. Posted July 30, 2019 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    I wasn’t expecting the fire from Warren tonight. And I certainly wasn’t expecting the focus on Delaney.

  6. Posted July 30, 2019 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry this wasn’t a more exhaustive post. I’d intended to do more, and write through the entire debate, but then it occurred to me that I shouldn’t worry about the blog, but just pay attention.

  7. New York Times
    Posted July 30, 2019 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders formed a tag team on the debate stage to defend their liberal policies against moderates on the attack.

    The leading liberals in the Democratic presidential primary, Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, strenuously fought back on Tuesday against accusations of making fanciful promises and imperiling the party’s prospects for defeating President Trump, as a group of moderate underdogs sought to slow their momentum in the second round of debates.

  8. Liz Rodriguiz
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 5:00 am | Permalink

    My rankings based on the first two hours: Warren, Bullock (?!), Klobuchar – I’m a moderate at heart, but, yeah, Mark, I’m almost on Team Warren. Imagine a Cabinet filled with these people (not Williamson) – the competence, the knowledge, the decency!

  9. Jim monsoon
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    What I love about Warren is that she matches the big progressive agenda of a Bernie with serious policy knowledge and the nuts-and-bolts of how we get from here to there.

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    I heard here that racism is the power-holding majority excluding minorities so I don’t see how you can vote for “Whitey” when there are a number of “POC” candidates unless you are racist by your own standard. Then you would be in danger of sexism unless you voted for Kamala. It’s a simple algorithm you use so you have to follow it or be full of shit. Kamala Harris is your candidate.

  11. Bob
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Actual racism would be voting for Harris just because she’s black, dum-dum. She isn’t the best candy by a long shot. She can’t even get her healthcare opinion straight from one day to the next. She’d still be miles better than the Cheeto in Chief though. And thanks for playing, asshole.

  12. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    But my position has always been that racism is discrimination based on race no matter who it is so how am I the dummy? It sounds like you agree with me. You don’t understand what you read with your own eyes? You are actually calling a number of people here dummies and I’m not one of them.

  13. Bob
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Candidate. Chauvinist Freudian slip, Jean!

  14. Bob
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    No, I’m only calling you a dummy. Don’t be offended. It’s how Jesus made you

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    By the maynardite standard the only possibly better candidate would be if Michelle turns out to be a genetic male. Then it would be all sewed up: an African American transgender candidate, the trifecta of identity politics. If you didn’t vote for her or even if you had any criticisms at all you would be a racist, sexist homophobe so the choice is clear.

  16. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Making a lot of sense there.

    “How am I a dummy?”

    “No, I’m only calling you a dummy. Don’t be offended. It’s how Jesus made you”

  17. Frosted Flakes
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 9:38 am | Permalink


  18. Anonymous
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Where is the Pudlord when you need him?

    I hope Beto is out for good now.

  19. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    You said pud heeheeheehee

  20. Anonymous
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Pudlord > Warlord

    If Pudlord and Warlord fought with fists and teeth, Warlord would cry and run home to mommy and Wolfenstein 3D.

  21. Meta
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Talking Points Memo: “A good debate, especially for Warren.”


  22. Lynne
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Warren keeps impressing me. I have always liked her but wasn’t planning on voting for her in the primary. I may now but am also still considering Harris

  23. Anonymous
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    I think the true winner of last night’s debate was the Hyborian Pudlord.

  24. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    “Nnnnurrr” and other profoundly retarded vocalizations

  25. Bob
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    “retarded?” You are class from top to bottom.

  26. John Delaney responds
    Posted July 31, 2019 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    John Delaney

    I don’t understand why anyone goes through the trouble of running for President if they either can’t explain how their plans work or can’t honestly debate their ideas without reverting to accusing people who disagree with them of reciting Republican talking points.

  27. Sad
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    Not one good impression from night two of debates.

    Biden and Harris seemed especially pathetic.

  28. Anonymous
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Why is the New York Times insistent that Biden be the nominee?

  29. Anonymous
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    Pudlord 10
    Visiting team -2


  30. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Big difference between ‘idiot’ and ‘retarded’ you think?

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    I like how Bob has psycho meltdowns all the time and then he’s like (British accent) “Look at how unrefined this HW is, how rough-hewn and inelegant, how booorish….”

  32. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Wondering how you people rate the performance by Kamala at the debate?

    I think she is a horrible candidate and a horrible person. It showed. Her record is bad news for her.

  33. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    I think she’s a real sleeper candidate.


  34. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Kamala’s go-to defense was variations of feigning disbelief and expressions of arrogance while saying things like “I am proud of myself” , “I have a good job”, “I am important”, “California is big”, “I have a really big and important job in an important state”.

    Yucky lady.

  35. iRobert
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    I met Tulsi and her family last night. They are lovely people and are so supportive of one-another.

  36. iRobert
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 9:56 am | Permalink


    My opinion of Kamala Harris would take a long time to explain. I think she’s a strong candidate within the bounds of what matters in today’s political landscape. She has the image, social skill and presence which are strengths in this particular political environment.

    I liked HW’s joke about her being a sleeper candidate. (I have to give credit where it’s due.) But it’s also important to remember it is most likely Trump she would be running against were she to get the nomination. Kamala’s personal conduct, morality and ethics would not hurt her much when measured against Trump’s, and that would be the unavoidable comparison in almost everyone’s minds. The comparison would also be a constant reminder of a double standard which all women and many men find absolutely abhorrent and disgusting.

    That’s the sort of angle that makes Harris a strong candidate in this particular circumstance.

    I personally am much more in line with Tulsi than with any of the other current Democratic candidates.

  37. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Tulsi is powerful in a good way. It is so weird that more people don’t talk about her more. Her lack of popularity has an upside: It probably increased the odds of you spending time with her?

    What did you guys say to each other?

  38. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Those are good points, iRobert. Kind of depressing too if I understand you correctly.

  39. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Trump didn’t sleep his way to the top. He built an empire.

  40. iRobert
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    While I understand where you’re coming from on your comments about Harris, I can’t say I agree.

    I’ve been a polical strategist of sorts for three decades, so my thinking about these things is somewhat cold and calculating. From that perspective, I can explain why Harris is a strong candidate.

    The obvious advantages she brings are her ethnicity and her gender. If she were to become the Democratic Party’s nominee, getting support among ethnic minorities and getting them out to vote will be so much easier than it would be with one of those geezer crackers. It would be a similar story with female voters.

    * for the record, I don’t keep mentioning my involvement in politics to be an asshole. I only do it to remind people WHY I’m such an asshole.

  41. Bob
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Trump’s empire and only actual honest income was his dopey reality show. Why else would he be hiding his taxes? He’s either completely corrupt or actually cash poor. Probably both. I love that dumbo’s like you admire him most for his wealth and business genius. Step one: inherit a business and millions from your scumbag father. Step two: practice dishonest business for decades. Rip-off everyone you partner with. Still go bankrupt multiple times. Finally land a celebrity reality show and employ your idiot family. Empire of shit.

  42. iRobert
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:30 am | Permalink


    Yes, I agree with your assessment of Tulsi’s powerful presence and nature.

    More people aren’t talking about her because there is a deliberate embargo against her by the corporate media, because her platform is highly critical and threatening to corporate media and their masters.

    Tulsi is considerably more accessible than the four leading in the polls. Still, she was pretty busy and mobbed with supporters last night. In Iowa I will probably have a chance to have very in-depth and long conversation with her. She and I didn’t say much to one another last night. I chose to let a friend of mine dominate the conversation with her. I listened mostly.

  43. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    That all white getup though. Prolly a white supremacist…er maybe just a WHITE HAT!!! [looks mad]

  44. iRobert
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:39 am | Permalink


    I do think you’re right that Harris has some glaring faults and as a result some serious vulnerabilities as a candidate. If you and I were working for an opponent of hers I think we could put together a good strategy for “exposing” her the way Tulsi did a bit last night. Harris has to flat out pretend Tulsi didn’t even say what she did about Harris’ blocking efforts to make public information which exonerated innocent individuals who had been falsely accused and/or imprisoned. I don’t know the exact details of what Tulsi brought up, but I recognized right away what she was doing.

  45. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Cool. It sounds like you are giving your time and effort to Tulsi. I appreciate that and thank you. We might not be ready for somebody like Tulsi yet but it is good she is in the mix and you never know…It seemed like people really loved her calling out Kamala on her record as a prosecutor…It was a small bit a good sign, imo.

  46. iRobert
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Yeah, HW, I won’t be surprised if some of these folks start saying the white suit was a shout-out to white privilege or something.

    Seriously though, I think it was a good choice. Tulsi looks good in white, being of darker skin. We pasty white freaks can only dream of wearing such bright colors and not looking rediculous. (I say “we” meaning me and Mark mostly).

  47. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Say what you want about Trump but he has really brought FakeNews into the spotlight. The progressives have their own versions of the FakeNews criticis and it is very positive/ necessary, imo. Who knows? Maybe someday average college educated democrats from Ypsi/Arbor might even develop a healthy skepticism regarding the lies told on CNN, MSNBC, and Vox…

  48. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Yes, iRobert and Harris appeared shook probably because she knew she was getting exposed. Maybe we can have a Kamala supporter fact check it but I, researching it a tad, am led to believe, Biden and Tulsi’s criticisms were valid. Any Harris supporters who want to defend her? I know Mark indicated he liked a lot about Harris.

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    I’m glad I had that white privilege when I actually did get into an accident and had to knock on someone’s door for help. If I was a couple shades darker I’d probably have been shot. You know how those Ann Arbor people are. Thanks for pointing that out, Kirsten Gillibrand!

  50. John Brown
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Tulsi is a lying POS with regards to adopting the trumplican talking points on Meuller report. Working for pootin just like pudlord and fashy flake


  51. iRobert
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Poor Kirsten Gillibrand is trying to figure out a way to pick up those POC votes. Her white privilege seems to be working against her on this particular task.

  52. iRobert
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 12:11 pm | Permalink


    Maybe you should move to Tulsi’s congressional district and challenge her with that criticism in her re-election bid. I’m sure you’d go over well. Maybe you can challenge Tulsi to a gunfight at high noon.

    Seriously though, does anybody who disagrees with your exact set of fantasies equate to a Trumplican? Are Democrats not allowed to disagree with your particular conclusions?

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    You don’t even believe this shit, John Brown. That’s the definition of trolling. Oh yeah we lost so the whole rest of the world is working for pootin even thought it was us losers who tried and failed to frame them all up. No one could be that dumb.

  54. John Brown
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Seriously, the ruskies and republicans are now on the same electioneering team and she’s regurgitating their “no collusion” bullshit. Secondary candidates are ripe to be used as part of the divisive social media psy-ops. And ole Tulsi is biting hard, hook, line and sinker….

  55. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Yeah and I’m the deluded one. House, Senate, Mueller: no conspiracy with Russia on team Trump. Let’s see how the dems do under scrutiny about their actual conspiracy. I don’t think I have ever seen a rationalization stated for how HRC and the DNC aren’t guilty of conspiracy to buy fake Russian intel to try to destroy Trump? You are still on this wacky shit. No wonder you see me as insane. You are the batshittiest of the batshit.

  56. dogmatic dolt
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, Conspiracy hacks in uniform take over New York City Fire Commission


    Until we confront the elephant in the room, our illegal wars, we will have no movement forward on any issues involving social justice. Tulsi has the courage to stand up to the war mongers regardless of party affiliation.

  57. John Brown
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Dolt, She refuses to criticize Assad, and repeats ruskie-publican talking points on Mueller. You’re being ratfucked. Peaceniks are almost as easy to manipulate as abortion is murder-niks.

    Pudlord, the investigation is ongoing. You may have missed that Schiff is getting all the grand jury evidence underlying Mueller’s farce.

    Now lets see what happens after Agent orange signs the 2 yr budget deal. His extortion power through Govt shutdowns will be gone….

  58. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    I really don’t know if there are many people who agree with your assessment on Russia collusion, JB. You sound extremely ignorant right now, imo.

    I will admit I have not been paying much attention to Schiff lately. He has evidence though, like he claimed a year or two ago, I’m sure.

    Will you keep us updated?

  59. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Mark Maynard,

    Your most loyal little servant has apparently believed everything you have said over the last few years. You haven’t reported on Russia lately. You might want to update the little guy. All he ever did was believe your theories and get gunned up like a good soldier to fight for you. The least you could do is update him on the new developments with Russia collusion. It’s kind of like an update is your responsibility at this point…We all know you are a super responsible guy.

  60. Anonymous
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Does Mark have a servant? Who is he talking about? What are any of you talking about?

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Turtles. That’s what I’m talking about. They are unassuming but they can fuck your bitch ass up. Ever had a chunk taken out of you by a snapping turtle? Me either but I’m not trying to. When I go to the lake I am scared as shit because of ’em. Healthy respect for turtles over here.

  62. Anonymous
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    You need to calm down

  63. Anonymous
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    No he doesn’t.

  64. Sad
    Posted August 1, 2019 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    I might have to go all in for Marianne and Yang.

  65. iRobert
    Posted August 2, 2019 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    You’re gonna abandon Mayor Pete?

  66. dogmatic dolt
    Posted August 2, 2019 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Time to do some Putin Puppet work. Vlad thinks it would be good if folks saw the enthusiasm that Slippery Joe generates.


  67. dogmatic dolt
    Posted August 2, 2019 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Aloha, Putin Puppet gathering post debate


  68. John Brown
    Posted August 2, 2019 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Tulsi Gabbard-netskya is getting lots of support from pootin.


  69. John Brown
    Posted August 2, 2019 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    If I sound ignorant to fashy flake and crazy to pudlord, all’s well. Thanks for the affirmation you pos treason enabling nutbags.

  70. dogmatic dolt
    Posted August 2, 2019 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JB, your analysis of politics is just about as sophisticated as HW’s and EOS. I’ll go with some one who has a solid understanding,

    “I might get in trouble for saying this –
    What does it matter if we beat Donald Trump,
    If we end up with someone who will perpetuate the very same
    and WAGING MORE of these COSTLY WARS?

    This is WHY I’m running for president.
    This is NOT a joke.
    This is NOT for fun.
    This is NOT about me.
    It’s about ALL of US.
    It’s about OUR FUTURE,
    And making sure that WE HAVE ONE.

    I ask for all of your support.
    I ask you to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with me
    In this movement for PEACE abroad,
    PEACE at home,
    So that we can fight for that path
    Towards a bright future with opportunity,
    And Justice, equality, and respect FOR ALL. ”


  71. John Brown
    Posted August 2, 2019 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Ahh, even the gentle soul DD going full ad hominem instead of responding to the obvious alignment with and apparent support for his 2nd tier disruptor candidate by nefarious state sponsored actors. Apparently he agrees with Agent Orange that ruskie election interference isn’t actually a thing.

  72. dogmatic dolt
    Posted August 2, 2019 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JB, I think MSNBC and CNN’s election interference is a real problem. You clearly have chugged all the kool-aid. Unlike your McCarthite smears against everyone who is not a corporate stooge, I prefer confronting real problems with real solutions. You are beating a dead horse and if the Dems campaign on your issues we will most assuredly have 4 more years of Trump.

  73. Sad
    Posted August 3, 2019 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    Mayor Pete and I still have an open relationship.

    He doesn’t mind if I fool around a bit with Marianne and Yang.

    I might even give Tulsi a second look.

    And Warren seems to like she might actually be a human.

  74. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 3, 2019 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    CNN gave Tulsi some airtime. Yay! Make sure you watch it JB.

    Cuomo basically said BECAUSE Tulsi made Harris look bad (by questioning her actual true record) it has made Tulsi an target. Shouldn’t we challenge candidates on their record? Listen to how stupid of a shot he fired at her. She is not shook because she knows it is a bullshit line of questioning. She is trying to point out the pattern of false pretexts of actual war by linking to the reports on the chemical attacks in Syria, which everyone with a brain already knew, without a study, were fake as hell. He wants to spin her concern for entering war as a sign that she is a bad person because she loves Assad.

    Think about how fucked up that is. CNN is evil. I can’t tell if Cuomo is stupid or evil.


  75. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 3, 2019 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    He is so stupid. Cuomo’s obtuseness is the reason CNN gave him a job. Too stupid to know he is stupid.

  76. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 3, 2019 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    At the end Cuomo said Tulsi is always welcome on the show and he is not going to insinuate who Tulsi might have links to, but he warned her that by saying” I will always fight you on the facts”. Hahahaha.

    Cuomo IS propaganda.

  77. Bob
    Posted August 3, 2019 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Oh hey, Warlord. Congratulations on your dim bulb organization Q Anon being recognized by the FBI. You’re officially a terrorist organization!

  78. iRobert
    Posted August 3, 2019 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Mario Cuomo should have hired smarter nannies to raise his children, since he obviously didn’t have the time to do it. In terms of intellectual capacity, Chris is a road apple which fell especially far from the horse.

  79. Frosted Flakes
    Posted August 3, 2019 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    I will admit Cuomo actually seems sincere so I don’t want to put him down too much but I thought this was funny and sad: https://youtu.be/fhHH1AJtZ3Y

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted August 3, 2019 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, out of the Phoenix field office. Bwahaha!!!

    Careful, it might force The Question: “Mr. President, the FBI has declared Qanon a domestic terrorist threat. Who or what is Qanon, Mr. President?” Answer: “Where We Go One We Go All”

  81. dogmatic dolt
    Posted August 3, 2019 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, This is an interesting development I have been picking bits and pieces up about over the last few days. The Quincy Institute was just formed. I have read that the two plutocrats funding the institute are Charles Kock (maybe his brother as well I don’t know) and George Soros.
    Andrew Bacevich is listed as a co-founder. Here is an article of his just published in the Boston Globe. If any of you have ever listened to Tulsi’s speeches on US foreign policy you would swear that Bacevish plagiarized much from them.
    My gut reaction is
    The elite see the people coming and hope to co-opt (they always use the same strategies and tactics) the movement that both Trump and now Gabbard represent–Easy to neuter and buy off a coward like Trump–they know Tulsi has courage and character.

    On the other hand they may actually be wanting to help transition the US away from this senseless American exceptionalism.


  82. dogmatic dolt
    Posted August 3, 2019 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, The Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft was announced four days after Tulsi debate where 10 million + Americans got to hear a Democrat speak up about ending the “insanity” of our regime change wars, and was the most searched for on Google.

    Coincidence ? or cause and effect?


  83. Posted September 10, 2019 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    It appears that Senator Warren May never emerging as the main challenger to Biden for the Democratic nomination.

    From The Hill:

    Biden atop new poll as Warren makes gains, Sanders and Harris slip


  84. Posted September 10, 2019 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    And now with manual-correction of auto-correct…

    It appears that Senator Warren may be emerging as the main challenger to Biden for the Democratic nomination.

    From The Hill:

    Biden atop new poll as Warren makes gains, Sanders and Harris slip


  85. Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    That should have read, “It appears that Senator Warren may be emerging as the main challenger to Biden for the Democratic nomination.”

  86. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    I wonder if Biden-Warren is a possibility.

    FF’s sense that Senator Harris is too offputting might be right on the mark.

  87. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Aloha iRobert, When Harris started her “Biden is a racist” smear, the only candidate who stepped up in Biden’s defense was Tulsi. Warren’s whole candidacy is to dilute the Sanders supporters and through the nomination into a 2nd. ballot at the convention when the party elders will choose Biden–Tulsi is playing a long game, she knows the future is very grim if Trump hangs on. If you listen to her speeches, she is speaking Unity—only attacking candidates who attack other Democrats–ie. Harris (attacked Biden, Ryan attacked her).

    She would have already dispatched the Navy to help our neighbors.

  88. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    DD: “Warren’s whole candidacy is to dilute the Sanders supporters and through the nomination into a 2nd. ballot at the convention when the party elders will choose Biden”

    I suspect that as well, though I have no hard evidence to point out, do you?

    I’d be curious to learn what Mark thinks of this.

  89. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Aloha iRobert, no “hard” evidence. 538 and others are keeping track of pledged super delegates on the assumption they will be voting, since I am such a dolt, all I can do is believe the smarter folks know more

  90. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Understanding that Warren is likely in the race to dilute Sanders suggests you are less of a dolt than the vast majority of folks are.

  91. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    The best circumstantial evidence can usually be seen in the precise timing of when and what a candidate does.

  92. iRobert
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Fred Thompson served in that function during the 2008 GOP primary selection process. He got in just at the right moment to split the supoort that was going to Huckabee, and got out right after Huckabee had been sufficiently deprived of the delegates he would have needed to prevail.

  93. Posted September 17, 2019 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    From 538.com

    “If the debate had a winner, it probably was Sen. Elizabeth Warren. Although the share of voters who were considering supporting her went up by only 2.4 percentage points, it was the biggest increase in the field.”


  94. iRobert
    Posted September 17, 2019 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    FF, you seem to be more in tune than I am when it comes to most people’s response to Harris. I thought her opening statement and other comments went well, but it appears that maybe they haven’t so much. It’s interesting. I’m intrigued.

  95. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 17, 2019 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Sad, Will Mayor Pete be able to get black folks to support him after this info gets spread ? Will progressives look the other way ?

  96. Jean Henry
    Posted September 17, 2019 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Yes and as she starts to surge , Bernie bros on Twitter are telling me she’s the ‘mainstream favorite’ and ‘compromised by corporate interests.’ Because they never quit. Even though I and about a million other women who got to witness their work first hand definitely made them up.

  97. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 17, 2019 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Aloha JH, You don’t think it has anything to do with her stated position that she will take corporate and dark money to win the general election I guess.


    I’ll vote for her, but I sure won’t have any illusions that much in the way of policies will change.

  98. Jean Henry
    Posted September 17, 2019 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad Warren will so what it takes to defeat Trump. I hope she surprises you DD.

    Meanwhile the guy who himself the ’adult in the room’ and ’most electable.’

  99. dogmatic dolt
    Posted September 17, 2019 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, For those unsure of where to go when the strike begins on Friday, here are some locations where you will find like minded folks.

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  100. Sad
    Posted September 17, 2019 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    We’ll see DD.

    Let’s give it a few days from the release of your YouTube source to see how it pans out?

    His other headlines look pretty good today.

  101. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 17, 2019 at 8:12 pm | Permalink


    People did not like Kamala’s opening statement? I just watched it. I would have thought people would have liked it. I did not like it because she appeared drunk and she lied when she put forth the notion that Trump would have been indicted by mueller if not for the olc opinion. I am surprised other people did not like it though.

  102. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2019 at 6:12 am | Permalink


    Looking at the 538.com’s analysis of the third debate suggests it didn’t go as well as I thought for Harris. An associate of mine suggests it reflects my bias in favor of “mean” women.

  103. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 18, 2019 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    She is impressed with herself, laughs at her own jokes, and repeats lies. I am surprised more people are not loving her.

  104. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2019 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Harris might want to consider coming out as a lesbian. It might be the quickest way to get back into this.

    I feel bad for Sad. While three geezers are fighting for the top spots, his guy is being targeted by some real nasty folks intent on getting to bow out of the race.

    My favorite, Tulsi, has the whole military industrial complex and their media stooges making sure she doesn’t get any traction. So I can sympathize with Sad.

  105. Sad
    Posted September 18, 2019 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    I can’t believe DD shared that slander. Disappointing.

    Meanwhile a Mayor Pete keeps plugging along. Gaining support. The olds will probably start falling away from exhaustion any day now.


    Don’t feel sorry for me. We’re winning.

  106. Lynne
    Posted September 18, 2019 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    JH, I have to admit that I found the Bernie Bro response to the Working Families Party endorsement of Warren to be hilarious on Twitter. I shouldn’t enjoy their suffering so much but OMG, what babies!

    Honestly, I can say that there really isn’t a candidate who I wouldn’t vote for over Trump so while I do care about the primary results, I am ok with letting the chips fall where they fall.

  107. iRobert
    Posted September 18, 2019 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    I don’t hate geezers as much as Sad does. But I don’t like the way they smell.

  108. Sad
    Posted September 18, 2019 at 8:41 pm | Permalink


    Mayor Pete can’t catch a break.

    First he’s gay.

    Then his cops shoot a black guy.

    Now it comes out that his local abortion provider was taking the aborted fetus home.


    I’m still hopefully.

    Old people smell like yesterday. Biden stinks of the nineties. Warren reeks of the eighties and Bernie has a musky stench of the 1940s.

  109. Sad
    Posted September 18, 2019 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    AOC will be our first woman president.

    We might as well get the gay white guy out of the way now.

  110. Jean Henry
    Posted September 18, 2019 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Don’t be sad SAD. We’ll have a woman president soon enough. This might perk you up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YBEceR7oeM

  111. Sad
    Posted September 18, 2019 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Mayor Pete polling at third in Iowa!


  112. iRobert
    Posted September 23, 2019 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Warren now leading in Iowa.

    From the NYT:


    “71 percent of Democrats surveyed said she was their first or second choice or they were open to backing her…”

  113. Posted October 15, 2019 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Poll: Warren leads Biden in Iowa, New Hampshire


    (From: The Hill)

  114. iRobert
    Posted January 28, 2020 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Warren’s numbers are down considerably. The voters saw through the phony confrontation, apparently.

    Sanders is going to take Iowa, and likely New Hampshire also. He might even take Nevada also.

  115. iRobert
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Warren underperformed in the Iowa caucus. Biden underperformed dramatically. They did so poorly they are concerned something fishy occurred.

    Sanders won by a dramatic margin. Mayor Pete over performed expectations, Klobuchar did better than expected as well.

  116. iRobert
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Warren is a decoy.

  117. Lynne
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Warren is the best candidate. I am hoping she did well.

  118. iRobert
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Warren is a great person, and an effective, hard-working Senator. But she’s a decoy candidate in this race.

  119. Lynne
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    I don’t even know what that means exactly. She seems more genuine than some of the others *shrug*

  120. iRobert
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    What about it is difficult to understand, Lynne?

  121. Lynne
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    iRobert, I get it now. I had to jog my memory but now that I have, I remember discussing this sort of thing in an Econ class. We were discussing the premise of most Economic theory that everyone is a rational actor. The decoy effect is something which shows they may not be.

    I still doubt highly that either EW or BS would want to be a decoy candidate. Nor is it obvious who might benefit if either of them were. Possibly the more centrist candidates but it is also entirely possible that it could benefit EW in that she seems just a tad less extreme both in personality and policy than BS. That could make her somewhat leftist policies seem more reasonable to undecided voters.

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