They execute babies, don’t they?

Yesterday in Green Bay, Wisconsin, after referring to leaders of the FBI and DOJ as “scum” and “dirty cops”, Donald Trump went on to reiterate the dangerous falsehood that, after women give birth in the United States, they have the option of killing the child. “(Babies are) wrapped in a blanket,” Donald Trump told the fired-up crowd, “(and then) the mother and the doctor decide whether to execute the baby.” This is not only far from true, but it’s an extremely dangerous lie — a lie that may very well cost health care workers their lives.

[If you want to know what really happens when babies die, I’d encourage you to read what Michigan nurse Julia Pulver had to say on the subject earlier today.]

We’ve known since 2016, when Donald Trump repeatedly incited violence on the campaign trail, going so far as to suggest a “second amendment” solution to keep Hillary Clinton from appointing federal judges, that he was a man who didn’t give a damn whether or not his rhetoric got people hurt or killed. And, sadly, the office of president hasn’t changed him any. He’s not only taken to calling members of the press “enemies of the people“, but he’s refused to tone down his irresponsible rhetoric on race, and disavow the white supremacists who praise him. At every turn, he courts those on the fringe, going so far as to say that some are “very fine people“, and feeds the paranoia of his most gullible followers, like so-called “MAGA Bomber” Cesar Sayoc, the man who mailed pipe bombs to journalists and Democratic leaders after becoming radicalized at a Trump rally. [Sayoc has since described Trump rallies, like the one last night in Green Bay, as “a drug”.]

The question that I have is whether or not people will ever hold Donald Trump accountable. Personally, I think it’s unlikely. If it didn’t happen when 50 people were killed in New Zealand by a man who citied Donald Trump as an inspiration, I don’t imagine that he’ll ever be held to account in any serious, meaningful way. But I guess we’ll see what happens when the first health care worker is gunned down by a lunatic ranting about how doctors “execute” babies. And, sadly, I don’t think we’ll have to wait too long.

Oh, and speaking of Trump rallies and rhetoric, check this out this March 22 headline from the Washington Post.

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78 Comments

  1. Anonymous
    Posted April 28, 2019 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Barack Obama: “Leaders who feed fear typically are also ones who avoid facts.”

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1122576367865016321

  2. inaccurate refrain
    Posted April 28, 2019 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    The NYT doesn’t call this a lie, but an “inaccurate refrain”.

    Fact check: At a rally on Saturday in Green Bay, Wisconsin, President Trump revived an inaccurate refrain about doctors “executing babies”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/us/politics/trump-abortion-fact-check.html

  3. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    Over 61 million abortions in the US since Roe v Wade. And sometimes when a baby is born during a botched abortion, and sometimes when an infant is born with birth defects, the newborn is set aside on a counter, without being wrapped in a blanket, until they die. Yes. There are healthcare workers who are eyewitnesses.

    Sure, ignore 61 million deaths to focus on 2 incidents where a person wrongly took the life of an abortionist. SMH

  4. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 4:50 am | Permalink

    The only persons persuaded by your false spin are those who are too feeble-minded to comprehend reality or those who willfully deny the truth.

  5. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    An inaccurate refrain. The doctors didn’t kill them. They did nothing except ensure that a helpless infant wasn’t provided the care necessary to sustain life.

  6. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    When are those politicians who advocate abortion for any reason be held accountable for the deaths they encourage?

  7. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    “sometimes when an infant is born with birth defects, the newborn is set aside on a counter, without being wrapped in a blanket, until they die.” Sometimes a baby who is not going to live no matter what is allowed to die peacefully, yes. In zero cases ever is a baby who could survive allowed to die on a table. That’s against the law.

    You know that. The president knows that. You are purposely misleading, EOS. You are repeating an inaccurate refrain. You are lying.

    This playing to the greatest fears of humans to gain fealty to a cause is not unique to the right. They are just especially good at it. They seem to worship fetuses. I’d have more respect if they showed any concern whatsoever for the welfare of living children or their parents.

  8. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    EOS– you consider abortion murder. The rest of us don’t. The country doesn’t. You are free however to hold your own beliefs and live by them. The rest of us do not. You can be as angry as you want but you don’t get to dictate our belief system to us. Until the country agrees with you, no one is going to be prosecuted for performing a safe and legal abortion. Have you read the first-hand stories of late-term abortions? The women forced to make that choice have amazing stories to tell. Maybe read a few sometime.

  9. John Brown
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    The Doctrine of Double Effect taken to insane extremes gives EOS and their ilk license to kill, or tear down society, or whatever it takes to save the imaginary souls of the fetus. Delusional extremist religious zealotry on par with the worst of ISIS or Taliban. But much more of a dangerous to America as evidenced by their support of Agent Orange.

  10. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    “In zero cases ever is a baby who could survive allowed to die on a table. ”

    You are misinformed.

    https://www.heritage.org/life/report/the-necessity-the-born-alive-abortion-survivors-protection-act

  11. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    @John Brown,

    So in your mind, advocating that infants born alive should be given medical care is akin to the Taliban? Advocating that the infant be given food, water, and a warm environment is “Delusional extremist religious zealotry”.

    What happened to America?

  12. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    http://cms.usccb.org/about/pro-life-activities/upload/Born-Alive-Basics.pdf

  13. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    https://www.lifenews.com/2019/02/14/19-states-allow-infanticide-let-abortionists-leave-babies-to-die-who-survive-an-abortion/

  14. John Brown
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    As religiosity declines over all, the remnant feels threatened (“what happened to America”? -oh dear!) and becomes increasingly radical. Hopefully religion, and all the lies, abuses and manipulations that comes with it, is on its way to the dustbin of history.

    https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/04/michigan-residents-leaving-the-catholic-church-as-many-turn-away-from-religion.html

  15. maryd
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Lies, lies and more lies. Top down…from the little man in the whitehouse down to his loyal minions. Garbage in and more garbage out. They wouldn’t know the truth if it hit hem in the head. Abortion is health care

  16. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Infanticide is illegal. SB 311 was a political bill meant to intimidate medical professionals from performing late-term abortions. Late term abortions are only performed when the mother’s health is at risk for carrying the fetus to viability or if the fetus, if carried to term would live a life of only pain and suffering with no chance for long term survival, reasonable brain and bodily function or any existence without constant pain. Keeping such infants alive entails extremely high costs and parental commitment with zero chance of improvement. FWIW, I volunteered as a young person on a NICU that cared for such babies in a vegetative state. It was a horror. Women who receive such medical care and the medical professionals who aid them should not be subjected to legal harassment or criminal penalty if we are a humane country that values the lives and dignity and agency of all people.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/the-facts-on-the-born-alive-debate/

  17. conspiracy theorist
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    There will be violence. At the NRA meeting yesterday, Donald Trump once again said that Democrats and agents of law enforcement had attempted a coup against him. #civilwar

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/26/trump-mueller-attempted-coup-nra-conference-1291178

  18. maryd
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Tweets from someone in the room
    Julia Pulver, RN‏Verified account @VotePulver
    So yes, there are those in hospitals who are around infants who pass: they are the Bereavement Teams & they provide the equivalent of neonatal hospice to families who are living through absolute Hell. Babies and children die, it’s a sad part of life. But no one, absolutely NO ONE ever, in any hospital, nor any mother who has just given birth, is conspiring with a doctor on whether or not to commit infanticide. This is perhaps one of the sickest accusations levied by this deranged dictator yet. Don’t believe a word he says about anything important.
    Keep repeating it to large groups of people b/c it served your underlying agenda, to deny women the right to make their own medical & reproductive health decisions. To fabricate such lies, to use the worst thing in someone’s life as propaganda is utterly monstrous. And sick.

  19. Kat
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Donald “I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters” Trump will never be held accountable for his rhetoric and he knows it. There is never a price to be paid. He could ask his followers to kill Ilhan Omar- one of them could do it- and nothing would happen to him.

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/index.html

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/despite-call-by-ceo-to-rep-ilhan-omar-twitter-slow-to-block-harassment/

  20. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    I wonder if you would go to prison if you destroyed say a bald eagle egg.

  21. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    There will be violence is reliable prophesy in the USA at any time in our history.

    So far, given the level of incitement from our president, I have been pleasantly surprised at how few people have followed his lead into violence. I think that can be chalked up to the considerable multi-pronged resistance so many have engaged in regularly since his presidency.

    One would think that resistance pushes people into opposite corners. And when violent it can for sure. But violence is emboldened by external validation, and so far many I know on the right aren’t up for it and resist similarly to the way we here resist John Brown’s calls to arms. The Trump supporters I know hate being seen as a threat. Being viewed that way by so many on the left may push them to vote for Trump but it won’t ever get them to take up arms in support of him. Only the wingnuts on both sides would go to that extreme.

  22. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    HW — Last I checked humans were not endangered. At least not by abortions.

  23. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    I’d say it’s endangerment to say the least. They are human beings getting ready for birth. They have experiences and feel pain. It’s not right. I am not religious one bit and that is my view.

  24. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    These are babies, in the case of the tiny number of fetuses who momentarily survive late-term abortion, who will face a short lifetime of only pain should they be allowed to live. The idea that allowing them to die induces pain is absurd.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201429?hc_location=ufi

    To repeat, infanticide is illegal. Late term abortions are offered to women who either can not carry safely to viability outside the womb or whose fetuses are so damaged already as to be unable to survive without great physical suffering outside the womb.

    Late term abortions are 1.4% of all abortions. The proportion of those that survive the procedure is infinitesimal. The inability of the right to express scientific facts related to this issue, or to acknowledge existing evidence due to their dogmatism, should make every person wary of giving them this kind of decision-making authority over other people’s lives.

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    It is the case that abortion rights advocates talking about fetuses sound a lot like animal rights advocates talking about animals. Both project a level of consciousness onto these other beings that does not exist and has been shown not to. Both play to a general neurotic existential fear of death (v imminent fear of death) among human creatures grown into consciousness of which other creatures are blissfully free.

  26. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Noted that neither EOS nor HW seem to give a shit about the suffering and well being of children after they are born. Unless of course, they are the fantasy subjects of sexual torture by the liberal elite.

  27. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Kermit Gosnell ran an abortion clinic in Philadelphia for 30 years, where he routinely delivered babies alive and then cut their necks with scissors. The court records show that one of the babies he killed was “so big it could walk” was what several persons testified that Gosnell had said at the time. Pennsylvania law prohibited abortion after 23 weeks. That was the law that enabled him to be convicted. Kept babies feet in jars as trophies. When they raided his clinic, two garbage disposals were clogged with baby parts and the hallways were lined with bags of fetuses. Check out the movie or the grand jury testimonies. It happens every day and no one wants these clinics to be inspected or reported because that might infringe on a woman’s ability to kill her offspring.

    If these babies aborted at term were animals, laws would require anesthesia before inflicting pain.

  28. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Some people remember being in the womb. I wouldn’t say I remember birth but I know what it was like.

  29. John Brown
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    HW – “Some people are literally crazy. I wouldn’t say I’m crazy but I know what it’s like.”

    fixed it for ya.

  30. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    But based on what you post you are mentally ill. You’ve been going insane with a primary delusion that the POTUS is a Russian agent. I told the truth all along and you have been saying all kinds of ill shit about me. You try to foment race war. You are ill. There is no way around it.

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    I hope the Secret Service doesn’t have you on their radar for making threatening statements about the President.

  32. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    If not the Secret Service, I’m sure ATF has JB’s name at the top of the list when they start confiscating weapons.

  33. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families

    There are 36 families waiting to adopt for every one child that needs adoption. The families pay between $10 – $40K and can wait as long as 7 years.

    There are no shortage of good homes for any woman who feels that she can’t raise her child.

  34. John Brown
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    You are so fucking crazy that you, in just that last couple comments:

    1. Claim to know what birth is like (POV presumably)
    2. Are not worried about the psycho in chief inciting actual domestic terror
    3. Are worried about a blog commenter who is possibly, (?), just using gun talk as a metaphor for liberals growing a political spine.
    4. Can’t distinguish between revisiting dark historical outcomes of similarly authoritarian leaders and actual threatening language. (now read the trump inspired white supremacist manifestos if you need examples of actual threatening language)

    To Everyone else, see what kinda nut jobs we’re up against? Now imagine that there are millions of “intellects” like HW, some of whom, unlike HW, actually have some skills from their time in the military…now get yourself down to Dunhams for the Monday special, the DPMS Oracle 5.56 for $429!!! It’s your 2nd amendment right and duty to defend America from these fascist traitors who have explicitly called for civil war should Cheeto Mussolini be legally impeached. Secret Service my ass, I’ll probably get a fucking plaque from the NRA just for pushing guns. ‘Merica!!!

  35. Hyborian Pudlord
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Warlord remembers what the womb was like.
    It’s a lot like living in his mom’s basement. Dank, moist, dark, and occasionally she throws some meatloaf down.

  36. Think Progress
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    From Think Progress:

    This is all part of a bigger debate about abortions later in pregnancy. It’s not just in Wisconsin, either. A bill to protect so-called “abortion survivors” made it all the way to the Senate in February, thanks to the help of Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

    In reality, the majority of abortions take place before 12 weeks, and later abortions are relatively rare — with only 1.4% of abortions taking place at 21 weeks or later. As ThinkProgress previously reported, it’s hard to definitively say why most women and gender minorities who get later abortions do so, but some reasons include fetal abnormalities, increasing restrictions that prevent patients from getting an abortion earlier, and serious medical risks to the pregnant person.

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Do you feel like you are drowning? Reality is proving you wrong on every single thing. How many times was this really it for Trump this time? How many times did I tell you no way? You creepy idiots are making your buddy and your whole little anti-Trump movement look like utter dog shit. That’s a small part of why people are leaving in droves.

  38. Sad
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Mayor Pete will sweep aside Mr. Trump.

    And if you want to talk about a woman who is kicking ass in politics here you go.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/29/lis-smith-buttigieg-2020-president-campaign-manager-226756

  39. Anonymous abortion
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    We demand mandatory abortions for non queer babies to fight climate change.

  40. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Kermit Gosnell was convicted of 1st degree murder for infanticide and 1 count of manslughter for a botched abortion, EOS. There were secondary lesser charges of performing late terms abortions, but he was going to jail forever anyway. You have lied again. The law is adequate to prosecute sick fucks like him.

  41. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    EOS would like women, mostly young, to be forced to be surrogate mothers for couples who want to adopt. Not going to happen. Over our dead bodies.

  42. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    HW Bush had 10,000 points of light; Trump has 10,000 lies.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/no-president-trump-your-family-separation-policy-is-not-remotely-humane/2019/04/29/63d189ce-6aae-11e9-be3a-33217240a539_story.html

  43. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    “Besides their potential to inspire violence, Trump’s words are a cruel insult to parents who have to make agonizing decisions about end-of-life care for babies that are born extremely prematurely, or with serious anomalies. Doctors and mothers don’t choose to “execute” newborns. They are forced to decide, in excruciating situations, when to forgo medical interventions and provide palliative care instead. There are exceedingly rare cases where babies survive an attempted abortion, but federal law already extends the same protection to them due any other infant.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/29/opinion/trump-wisconsin-abortion.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

  44. Jean Henry
    Posted April 29, 2019 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Intersectional feminism FTW.

    https://twitter.com/supermajority/status/1122817808713297920

  45. Anonymous
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    In case anybody was wondering where Q is going.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-poway-synagogue-shooting-follows-an-unsettling-new-script/amp

  46. John Brown
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    Drowning in a sea of trumptard idiots. Which is why I’m kinda open to Roger Stones rebellion. If he starts it, in clear violation of the Constitution, patriotic Americans will finish it and hopefully beat down this white supremacist christo-fascist idiocracy for a few more generations. I think lots of American women are getting fed up with this moronic backwards ideology and will happily join in defending America from the backwards morons when the time comes.

  47. Anonymous
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    I predict that Donald Trump will get 100% of the vote in 2020. There has been no better President on every issue, employment, religious freedom, women’s rights, black issues, there is nothing you can find wrong with this Presidency. The haters won’t show up on election day.

  48. EOS
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    The vast majority of Americans do not want babies killed at the time of delivery, when the only medical emergency is the mental distress of the mother. The vast majority don’t want fetuses killed past the point where they are viable outside the womb. The vast majority want restrictions in the third trimester.

    When the baby is being born, you shouldn’t be able to stick a pair of scissors in the back of the neck to kill the infant seconds before they emerge from the womb. At full term, you shouldn’t be able to call the baby a clump of cells and destroy him/her in the womb.

  49. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Aloha EOS, we all know your morality is just as plastic as any liberals. You get all outraged about dead babies, but support a war mongering President who’s policy is to starve hundreds of thousands of babies to death in Yemen. I don’t see any one on this web site lamenting or protesting Trump’s veto of the War Powers Act. The liberals in Congress, along with some moral Republicans have repudiated this war. Will you bend your morality to vote for him again? Or will you do the right thing and vote for the good instead of lesser evil?

  50. Anonymous
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    It starts somewhere.

    https://thinkprogress.org/no-coincidence-california-synagogue-shooter-john-earnest-posted-about-the-red-pill-movement-aa46b31c01ad/

  51. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, just saw this article. 244000 preventable deaths.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/yemen-war-death-toll-un-houthi-gulf-saudi-arabia-arms-a8892926.html?fbclid=IwAR1JzkHK1WD-DWn80QLZ3Q0lZI4QMUuvuoT8zFiZbPw1DvqIOi8ndtWoOY8

  52. Anonymous
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    I liked the article on how a state legislature was considering the death penalty for women who had abortions. Very revealing about the mind of a pro-lifer.

  53. EOS
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    I would love to vote for the good, if I ever found a good politician. My whole life voting has been choosing the lesser evil. And so when the race isn’t close, I do choose moral 3rd party alternatives that don’t have the slightest chance of winning.

  54. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, you got to wonder if the politicization of religion around abortion has anything to do with the decline in church membership.
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/248837/church-membership-down-sharply-past-two-decades.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2hYqi0_lUG18mB9A9jqySDC6BvXFAb7u2TkMFDcmYwi0GH81AZ1Uc8W0s

  55. Anonymous
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    EOS’ idea of good is to force women to become surrogates to random people looking to adopt or put them in prison or the electric chair.

  56. Anonymous
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    The preordained chosen ones don’t have bad things happen to them, so that if something bad happens to a person, they were not chosen.

  57. John Brown
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    I see Nurse Pulver as a Clara Barton of the 21st Century. Hard working, compassionate, evolved, ideal American Citizen. Not living in her mother’s basement.

  58. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    Trump’s support for SA is pretty disappointing.

    At first your “aloha” thing was pretty annoying but I have to say Tulsi is sounding like a very very high character person, every time I hear her speak. Did you her recent video she deleted? Powerful stuff. I will be interested to see what people on mm.com have to say about her as they hear her speak more.

  59. Frosted Flakes
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    https://youtu.be/Hl2DrWx1KfE

    People don’t talk about her much. It is very strange.

  60. Jean Henry
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    HW– please comment on the synagogue shooter’s alignment with Q.

  61. Jean Henry
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    “When the baby is being born, you shouldn’t be able to stick a pair of scissors in the back of the neck to kill the infant seconds before they emerge from the womb.” –EOS, you can’t. That guy was convicted of FIRST DEGREE MURDER.

    “At full term, you shouldn’t be able to call the baby a clump of cells and destroy him/her in the womb.”– NO ONE DOES THIS. EVER. I know someone who is among the 1.4% of women seeking abortions who had hers late term. Her baby, which was very much wanted, was not going to survive except in great pain. That would literally have been her only experience of life. Fuck you 1000x for pretending to be humane. You’re an ideologue– and a cold, heartless, emotionally manipulative one at that.

  62. EOS
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    JH,

    You don’t know shit. The murder charge resulted from his killing the baby outside of the womb. It happens every day in secluded rooms of abortion clinics across the nation. But Gosnell’s clinic was so appalling even the employees couldn’t stomach it anymore.

    Can you imagine the outrage if a vet chose to euthanize a dog in the manner that abortionists choose to destroy human life?

    You willfully choose not to acknowledge the humanity of the innocent child. Just like soldiers in a war need to see the enemy as subhuman so that they can pull the trigger. Just like the Nazi’s treated the Jewish people that they led into the gas chambers. Just like 90% of the parents who find out that their child has Down’s Syndrome and decide that they prefer to throw back their less than perfect child and roll the dice that their next child will have the preferred assortment of traits. The soldier, the Nazi, and the selfish parent all try to convince themselves that they were sparing their victim a life of suffering.

    And the ethicists in their ivory towers advocate that a parent’s choice to keep their child alive should extend through the toddler years. Is that medical care too?

  63. Jean Henry
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    “It happens every day in secluded rooms of abortion clinics across the nation.” -LIE

    I’m sorry you believe humans behave this way regularly. I guess that explains your righteous inhumanity.

    Imagine though, what kind of person wants to believe this stuff?

  64. Jean Henry
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    The ethicists in ivory towers do not believe in subjecting young children to a life of pain and agony, no. They believe parents in consultation with medical care professionals can best make these choices. If parents make decisions that are questioned by medical professionals, like parents withholding necessary treatments due to religious belief, there are legal avenues of recourse to protect the children. Such legal cases get a lot of media attention as I’m sure you know. It’s usually the religious crazies who torture their children, not the rest of us.

  65. Jean Henry
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    EOS if the best way for you to make your argument is to state that doctors are daily stabbing newborns in the necks with scissors, you have already lost.

    Although your support of someone as morally corrupt as Trump now become more understandable.

    What is the name for this new moral code: get the results I want by any means necessary?

    Oh Nihilism.

    Jesus would fucking love that.

    I hope he comes back to smite the shit out of you holy roller fundamentalist assholes.

  66. EOS
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    https://www.liveaction.org/news/partial-birth-abortion-horror-revisited-nurse-tells-grisly-tale-of-the-procedure/

  67. John Brown
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    JH, BRING IT! EOS had better hope its the social justice warrior Jesus who returns and not the smiten’ Jesus.

  68. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    “please comment on the synagogue shooter’s alignment with Q.”

    Comment on the issues I have brought up relating to NXIVM and I will do so.

  69. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Comment on John of God too and the things he has in common with NXIVM.

  70. Jean Henry
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    John Brown Why the fuck would you use the term SJW in reference to anti- abortion activists.

    Let’s be clear, that term came into use on the alt right during gamer gate and was used to attack anyone standing up for any cause other than white male privilege. To repeat it to mean righteous generally is fucked up. To repeat it on the left is stupid. They fed that word out into the world to suppress any and all voices advocating for social justice. To give the very term ‘social justice’ the stench of oppression not freedom.

    I don’t know why anyone using the moniker John Brown would repeat that term. We should be smarter by now about the ways the right hijacks and distorts language used in progressive movements.

  71. Jean Henry
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    HW I have no idea what you are talking about. Care to elaborate.

  72. John Brown
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Sorry Jean. You are wrong on the SJW Jesus. I have a good friend who’s an Evangelical, weird right? And he totally embraces the SJW label and feels it is, un-ironically, an accurate descriptor of his Jesus, versus EOS’ Jesus.

    But glad to give you something to bitch about!

  73. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Why don’t you look it up?

  74. John Brown
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    I dont doubt that some nasty alt right incels had something to do with tainting the term. But FYI there are actual naive holy rollers who completely identify with the SJW Jesus. I know at least two, come to think of it. Mayor Pete evangelicals I suppose. Ones a young Prof and ones a student leader of the recent UM Presidents office sit-ins. And canvassing for the last election I met other youngsters who were like all “hell yeah I’m a SJW, who the hell wouldn’t identify with that?”

    I’ll tell them that they cant have their SJW Jesus because some cranky lady on the internet said its not a thing and they’re supposed to feel stupid for thinking otherwise cause some nazi something something….. But I’m pretty sure they’ll stand by their conviction and not give two shits what some “comment nazi” or actual nazi says about it. I still think they’re delusional, cute, but delusional for believing in god at all, but at least they embrace the opposite vision of Jesus than the trumpvangelicals.

  75. Anonymous
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    SJW Jesus remembers the birth canal.

  76. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Aloha, some folks celebrated May Day in the traditional way.
    https://www.facebook.com/100013575496875/videos/637967719999072/UzpfSTEwMDAxMzU3NTQ5Njg3NTo2MzgwNDUwMjMzMjQ2NzU/

  77. EOS
    Posted May 2, 2019 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    https://www.liveaction.org/news/abortionist-twisted-living-babies-necks/

    I wish no one did this ever. But denial doesn’t alter reality.

    I pray for the day all life is respected, from conception until the time of natural death. And today, on the National Day of Prayer, I will pray that God will change the hearts of everyone who thinks abortions are acceptable. I will pray that women who are pregnant and scared will realize they have many choices other than abortion. And I will pray that all women who have been emotionally scarred by past decisions will find peace and forgiveness.

  78. Dogmatic Dolt
    Posted May 2, 2019 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Aloha EOS, do you pray daily that we stop engaging in endless wars ? There is one Democrat who is opposed to the Trump/Pelosie consensus on war.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJctrCVXUT8

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